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Detroit Tigers Spring Training Questions · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren
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Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always as a man who no
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Speaker 1: matter how many times you ask him, he's always gonna
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Speaker 1: say the same thing. He's looking to improve this podcast
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Speaker 1: every day in any way that he can. He is God,
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Speaker 1: he Savinagen.
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Speaker 2: How you doing, yeah, Kieren, you know, just looking to
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Speaker 2: get better in all aspects. All options are always on
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Speaker 2: the table, and we just do our due diligence and
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Speaker 2: we try to make a good show for you guys,
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Speaker 2: try to make it the best we can be. We're
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Speaker 2: always looking into upgrades. I'm about out of GM speak,
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Speaker 2: but there is certainly more that we could do with
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Speaker 2: that bit. Anyway, let's go into what Scott Harris said.
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Speaker 2: We talked to the man himself after a pretty nice
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Speaker 2: deal getting Jack Flaherty. That is official physical has passed.
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Speaker 3: Scott.
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Speaker 2: It was a little bit of a victory lap for
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Speaker 2: Scott with Jack Flaherty. He was I think not afraid
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Speaker 2: to kind of out the fact that Jack wanting to
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Speaker 2: come back to Detroit having a good experience is kind
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Speaker 2: of an organizational victory for the Tigers. And you know what, Scott,
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Speaker 2: talk your stuff because he's kind of right, this is
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Speaker 2: a good look. You had a premium player, You really
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Speaker 2: helped him improve. He enjoyed his time there so much.
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Speaker 2: He was pretty vocal about wanting to come back, and
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Speaker 2: Scott Harris himself said, like, in the back of my mind,
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Speaker 2: I thought I'd love to have him back. I just
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Speaker 2: didn't think it would happen. Now. I think it's important
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Speaker 2: to note that that's just because the Tigers didn't want
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Speaker 2: to pay this dude or like give him a long
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Speaker 2: term deal. So for as much as they love him,
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Speaker 2: as great as they is he is, like they were
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Speaker 2: among many teams who didn't want him for four or
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Speaker 2: five years, for as much as they're not worried about
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Speaker 2: his health, they didn't want him to, you know, for
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Speaker 2: that sort of deal. But the deal you get him
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Speaker 2: on is very team friendly, I mean player friendly in
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Speaker 2: a way that comes to the Tigers with no risk.
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Speaker 2: So Scott was not afraid to say, like, he's going
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Speaker 2: to enjoy watching Flaherty throat it Trey Sweeney and maybe
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Speaker 2: Tyrone Loronzo and live vps this spring actually kind of
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Speaker 2: crazy to think about. And I think we've said it before,
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Speaker 2: but this is this is probably Scott Harrison's best work,
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Speaker 2: a really good, really good optical look for him. And
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Speaker 2: we'll see how Jack Flaherty throws this year. I think
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Speaker 2: the floor for Jack if he's healthy, which is a myth,
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Speaker 2: but if he's healthy, is gonna be pretty high. Like
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Speaker 2: like Jack Flaerty is a really good pitcher. I think
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Speaker 2: it's a good, good move for the Tigers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in regards to the contract thing, it's kind of
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Speaker 1: like when a player gets drafted and you know, rounds
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Speaker 1: like four on really any sports, Like we loved him
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Speaker 1: the whole time, it's like, well, you didn't love him
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Speaker 1: enough to not take them earlier, you know, so uh regardless,
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Speaker 1: you know, to the victor, go the spoils there if
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Speaker 1: you're Scott Harrison, and I watched I watched that availability
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Speaker 1: and and he uh he had a combination of like
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Speaker 1: calm but also like assertiveness. You know. That's like, that's
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Speaker 1: like a way to describe it because.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I asked him about Jack's astball and Jack
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Speaker 2: not because I was being critical, just because like people
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Speaker 2: are going to want to know the answers to these questions,
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Speaker 2: and he was kind of like, you know, a little adamant,
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Speaker 2: like we're not worried about that, We're not worried about.
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Speaker 1: His fastball, and honestly kind of frank about like things
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Speaker 1: that he believed would explain sort of the dip and
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Speaker 1: V low and you know how his numbers kind of
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Speaker 1: trickled a little bit toward the end of the years,
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Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, like he came up just short
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Speaker 1: of like kind of criticizing the Dodgers like pitching department
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Speaker 1: a little bit, like like just sure like he didn't specifically,
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Speaker 1: but you could kind of like infer it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's a you know, he's he's an athletic
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Speaker 1: young guy. He can fix it. It's not worried about
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Speaker 1: it at all. And then with the health things, like
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Speaker 1: I said on the record, he was healthy, like he was.
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Speaker 1: He was pretty assured of himself in that pressor, which
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Speaker 1: you know, more power to you. I like it. I
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Speaker 1: like to see Sky Harris like that. And and he
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Speaker 1: also like did that with with cliches as well, So
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Speaker 1: it was it was a great balance. He covered it
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Speaker 1: all because you know, because again you add a picture
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Speaker 1: after already adding a starting picture earlier in the off season, right,
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Speaker 1: And so it's like, you know this this five thing.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't take long to count the five, right. So,
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Speaker 1: like you ask about like the Jackson job thing, or
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you asked it, but somebody asked
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Speaker 1: it in the availability, and he basically said, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: do this is the clay shape part. We're gonna do
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Speaker 1: what's best for jack and ECU me Jackson, Jackson Job
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Speaker 1: and and and the Tigers. He's going to be a
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Speaker 1: Tiger for a long time. We look forward to watching him.
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Speaker 1: We won't be uh distracted by outside noise or something
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Speaker 1: like that, which the outside noise in this case is
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Speaker 1: just like whether he's going to start the season with
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Speaker 1: the team. I don't necessarily consider that like outside noise,
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Speaker 1: but I understand.
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Speaker 2: I guess, like the prospect promotion incentive when like that
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Speaker 2: kind of bounced with service time and he called that
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Speaker 2: outside noise. I know what he was trying to say,
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Speaker 2: but it's not outside noise. Part of a large part
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Speaker 2: of Scott's job is worrying about that sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: And it's gonna be a hard decision with Job. And
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's gonna come down to
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Speaker 2: just how he throws. And no one else is really
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Speaker 2: talking about this. But I think the biggest X factor
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Speaker 2: in jackson Job making the team or not is what
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Speaker 2: they want to do with Kintamaeta, And we don't, you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get an indication of that early in
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Speaker 2: spring training, but they haven't said a lot other than
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Speaker 2: winter meetings talking about revamping his plan. But do they
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Speaker 2: want him to start? They want him to be in
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Speaker 2: the bullpen? Is there a world where they just say
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Speaker 2: screw this and pay him ten million to go away.
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Speaker 2: I still have a hard time seeing that happening, even
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Speaker 2: though that's that's the easiest solution that looks good.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I almost like I almost think it
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Speaker 1: would be. It's out of my mind. He's a starting
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Speaker 1: picture right now, Like he would have to prove it.
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Speaker 1: He would have to prove it to me. Like it
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Speaker 1: was so ugly. We've talked about the July fourth game
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Speaker 1: before on this podcast. It was it started out mediocre
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Speaker 1: if you were optimistic, and then you were and then
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Speaker 1: it just like bottomed out and.
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Speaker 2: They it.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, it was a huge blot on Scott Harris's like
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Speaker 1: free agent and it was not been a present baseball
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Speaker 1: operations a lot long, but a little blot on like
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Speaker 1: his thought process that you gave this guy a two
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Speaker 1: year deal, right, uh, which with the way that it
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Speaker 1: turned out, so I almost don't even put him in
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Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm thinking about the Mises and the and
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Speaker 1: and the jobs of the world. And the interesting thing
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Speaker 1: about that quote, even though it's not very interesting words wise,
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Speaker 1: but they we we have been on this podcast, you
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Speaker 1: have reported like the Tigers expect Jackson to be in
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Speaker 1: the rotation, and.
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Speaker 2: That was before they signed jack Players.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they thought that was possibility exactly exactly, So
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Speaker 1: that quote in a way could be a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a walk back, like a little bit we could
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Speaker 1: look back on and be like, yeah, it was kind
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Speaker 1: of the first indication they were gonna, you know, probably
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Speaker 1: you know, do the Toledo, right.
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Speaker 2: I think this all adds up to something we've joked
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Speaker 2: about all off season, which is the Scott Harris press
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Speaker 2: conference where he says Jackson job needs to improve all
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Speaker 2: four of his pitches to all four quadrants. And because
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Speaker 2: if you have all these other options, if you're curious
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Speaker 2: about my ada worth Casey Mice has a good spring,
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Speaker 2: or if like, for as much as the Tigers want
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Speaker 2: to win and wants to win the Central, how realistic
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Speaker 2: is it that Jackson job is just gonna shove out
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Speaker 2: of the gate and Paul Skins did it last year,
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Speaker 2: but Derek Scougal didn't do that as a rookie. You know,
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Speaker 2: I've said I could see Job having a Verlander esque
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Speaker 2: rookie season where he's pretty good in the aggregate, but
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Speaker 2: there are kind of a lot ups and downs. If
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Speaker 2: you just like look at the game logs, could you
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Speaker 2: get pretty equal production from Caseymize whatever in the first
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Speaker 2: month of the season. And is there more of a
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Speaker 2: benefit to getting an extra year team control of Jackson joke,
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Speaker 2: especially when you look at this farm system all they
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Speaker 2: got on the rise. I don't love service time manipulation.
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Speaker 2: It'd be cool if you could get another draft pick
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Speaker 2: down the line or whatever. But there's I think there's
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Speaker 2: some real pluses to just saying let's keep them Intoledo
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Speaker 2: for a little bit, and then you're really gonna feel
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Speaker 2: good about that in twenty twenty nine or whatever it is.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, yeah, yeah, I'm glad we didn't
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Speaker 2: you know have him pitch April in Detroit in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So that actually goes to a larger issue that
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Speaker 1: kind of racks my brain from time to time is
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Speaker 1: that this farm system is so loaded, which we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk more about that, you know this week as
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Speaker 1: the season is underway. Happy spring training week to everybody. Uh,
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Speaker 1: if you're so deep and you're focused on young inform
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Speaker 1: system wise and you're focused on young talent, are we
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of a high amount of turnover type
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Speaker 1: regime where where you just kind of believe in your
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Speaker 1: ability to develop players and you're not really in the
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Speaker 1: big contract business.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get an.
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Speaker 1: Answer to that in some way in the next two years,
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Speaker 1: you guys know what I'm talking about. So, like that
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Speaker 1: that might be something everybody needs to prepare for. This
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Speaker 1: might be the way Scott Harris dreams running an organization,
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Speaker 1: and so like, get that jersey, you know, maybe make
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Speaker 1: sure when you before you purchase that jersey, it's all
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Speaker 1: say about that. That's all that's all I say about that.
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Speaker 1: So it's just it just I just feel like the
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Speaker 1: seeds are there for that too, Cody, the seeds are
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Speaker 1: there for a high amount of turnover.
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Speaker 2: And they absolutely are. I think there are a million
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Speaker 2: signs that point to that direction. The one thing that doesn't,
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Speaker 2: let's let's talk about the good stuff. The one thing
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Speaker 2: that doesn't. The Tigers do have interest, and now it's Pregnant.
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Speaker 2: Now we don't know what they've offered. We don't know
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Speaker 2: exactly what their price point is. But if they just
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Speaker 2: were going to be an organization that had no interest
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Speaker 2: in free agency, I'm not sure we would still be
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Speaker 2: talking about this on this podcast. So it remains curious
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Speaker 2: to me that they like Pregnant enough, they recognize he
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Speaker 2: fills their needs enough that they have waited this out
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Speaker 2: all winter. I think I told you two weeks ago, like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think we're almost done. I think maybe we've done
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Speaker 2: our last pod before Bregnant signs. Yeah, that didn't happen.
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Speaker 2: And then in the couple days before Flarty signed, in
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Speaker 2: the couple days after I'm just telling you, man, the
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Speaker 2: vibes were like, Hi, I don't know if people in
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Speaker 2: the organization were just kind of emotionally blinded or something.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's entirely possible. They were kind of vibes
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Speaker 2: like all the Tigers, I might get bregmant and now,
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Speaker 2: at least from my end, I've heard nothing for like
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Speaker 2: six days. Just nothing, even one line whatever. You can
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Speaker 2: talk yourself like, maybe there's some momentum to the cub
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Speaker 2: but it's been quiet, even in like the on line
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Speaker 2: Twitter rumor mill I don't know. I don't think anyone
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Speaker 2: that's a great answer to what's going on or what's
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Speaker 2: going to happen. Scott Bloris now it's pregnant thinks someone's
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Speaker 2: going to give them this offer they've been waiting for.
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Speaker 2: I think they're probably misguided. Now. If there's a good
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Speaker 2: offer on the table, I don't know, five years high,
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Speaker 2: AAV and opt out, it would seem like Bregman and
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Speaker 2: whatever team we're offering, that could strike a great middle ground.
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Speaker 2: I feel like that's probably what should happen. But maybe
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Speaker 2: that's too simple. Bregman ultimately decides he wants a short
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Speaker 2: term deal, which he says he doesn't. I just I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure the Tigers are going to be the team.
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Speaker 2: He goes to a combination of the ball and like
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Speaker 2: maybe just the prestige if I could see him going
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Speaker 2: to the Cubs. I don't know if the Red Sox.
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Speaker 2: The Red Sox have never acted very serious about him,
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Speaker 2: but maybe they would on a shorter term deal. And
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Speaker 2: then the Blue Jays. I don't know. Like I think,
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Speaker 2: if you were gonna go to Toronto, he would be there.
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Speaker 2: So you can talk yourself into into so many circles.
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Speaker 2: There's still a world in which he could become a Tiger.
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Speaker 2: But I went from feeling good about it really for
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Speaker 2: the first time all winter a week or so ago,
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Speaker 2: to now just I don't know, and it's almost led
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Speaker 2: me to see the other side of this more now.
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Speaker 2: I want to be clear. Ultimately, I still think the
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Speaker 2: Tigers should sign Alex Bregnant, but it's it's a lot
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Speaker 2: easier for me to play Devil's advocate than it was
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Speaker 2: a month ago. So this guy worth it, This guy
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Speaker 2: worth the stress, the waiting. Is he worth the players?
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Speaker 2: You have passed on a song, Kim, that's kind of
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Speaker 2: always the guy I thought the Tigers were gonna get
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Speaker 2: the race signed him on a two year deal with
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Speaker 2: an opt out, not that much money. We talked about
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Speaker 2: first basement, they passed one and they signed labor tours instead.
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Speaker 2: They've sacrificed a lot. It would seem to stay in
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Speaker 2: this Bregmant mix. And I don't know. I was just
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Speaker 2: looking at the Fangraphs zips three year projections the other day,
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Speaker 2: and projections aren't everything. But it kind of hits like
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Speaker 2: some cold water because two years from now, in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, Fanggrafts projects Alex Bregman to hit two forty
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Speaker 2: one with seventeen homers, a seven to twenty one ops
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Speaker 2: two point one war that's two years from now at
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Speaker 2: age thirty three, basically saying he's going to be Matt Vierling.
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Speaker 2: And so you want him for six years, you want
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Speaker 2: him for three years after that. It's kind of scary.
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Speaker 2: Alex Bregman is a really good player. He checks every
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Speaker 2: box for this team, but he's not really probably a
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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer unless he dominates for his thirties, like
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Speaker 2: Fangrafts does not project him to do. He's an All
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Speaker 2: Star right now, is he going to be a perennial
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Speaker 2: All Star for years to come? I'm not sure. Like
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Speaker 2: he has become so overrated just because of his standing
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Speaker 2: on the market. And you know what, if if the
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Speaker 2: Tigers were finally just say you know what, screw this,
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't blame them. I would go back and criticize
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Speaker 2: and be like, maybe you should have pivoted to someone
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Speaker 2: else a long time ago. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So a couple of things there. One is that there's
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Speaker 1: the Tigers fan base is so star for a consistent winner,
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Speaker 1: so it's not as prevalent. But I'm getting texts, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting messages from Tigers fans being like, look, dude, at
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Speaker 1: this point, like like just I just want to move on,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just want to move on mentally from this,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm done, like without And it's not like I
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Speaker 1: are really at the team for not signing him. It's
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Speaker 1: like kind of at Alex.
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Speaker 2: You know, like it's flipped that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I got you know, I got Houston
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Speaker 1: Astros fans in my life, and they're you know, they're
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Speaker 1: done with it too. It's like you should have taken
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Speaker 1: our deal, you know, six months ago or whatever, and
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Speaker 1: now look where you're at and I'm not. And like
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Speaker 1: with Boston, it's like I don't see anyone clamoring for
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Speaker 1: him in Boston. Plus you know the configuration that would
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Speaker 1: have to happen with that franchise, which really just leaves
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Speaker 1: Toronto as what I'm assuming is the team that has
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Speaker 1: the best offer out there. But again, do you want
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Speaker 1: to be talked with Austin Jackson? Last week it's like,
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Speaker 1: do you want to move your family to Toronto? Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I don't have anything
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Speaker 1: against Toronto, but like there is sort of that mental
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Speaker 1: hurdle you have to get over if you want to
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Speaker 1: like live in another country. You know, it's just a thing.
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Speaker 1: So like all the all that stuff. It may his
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Speaker 1: approval rating is lower, There's no doubt about it. His
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Speaker 1: approval rating is lower now than it was at the
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Speaker 1: end of the season. I feel like I feel like
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Speaker 1: that's pretty clear based on everybody that I'm talking to
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Speaker 1: and the things that I read, and because also the
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Speaker 1: longer you're a free agent, the longer kind of people
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Speaker 1: look at your you know, contractual projections and all that stuff,
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Speaker 1: there are more people do what you just stay code,
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Speaker 1: which is like you.
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Speaker 2: Can knock yourself out of it.
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Speaker 1: You talk yourself out of here, like man the zips
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Speaker 1: I'm not really loving that. It's like he is thirty one, Like, see,
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna be paying this dude potentially this much
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Speaker 1: money when he's thirty five, thirty six? Is he gonna
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Speaker 1: be remotely you know what I mean? It's just like
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Speaker 1: it's it's he's become a little bit of like this
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Speaker 1: most recent example of what the broken free agency system
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Speaker 1: really is what I would say in baseball, whereas like
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Speaker 1: there's no sense of urgency. There's no other sport where
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Speaker 1: a player of Alex Bregman's caliber would be with no
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Speaker 1: scandal or anything like that, would be unsigned on the
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Speaker 1: eve of preseason training camp, you know whatever, Like it
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Speaker 1: just wouldn't happen, But it happens in baseball, and Alex
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Speaker 1: Redmans is the latest example of that.
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Speaker 2: And everything's been talking about, say it has an opt out.
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Speaker 2: Say let's say it's after one. I don't know if
17:59
Speaker 2: they do that, but let's say it's after one. Maybe
18:01
Speaker 2: that's what's going to take to get him at this
18:02
Speaker 2: right do you want him? If he comes here for
18:05
Speaker 2: one year or ops out in a way that'd be
18:07
Speaker 2: perfect helps your twenty twenty five team, then you don't
18:09
Speaker 2: have to worry about the aging. It's also like, I
18:12
Speaker 2: don't know, you wasted a whole year at Jase Young
18:14
Speaker 2: didn't get him that experience. He you know, sign this
18:17
Speaker 2: guy got all this hype and then he's gone. Is
18:20
Speaker 2: that is that worth it? I almost actually think yes,
18:24
Speaker 2: I kind of think that'd be like great. But that's
18:27
Speaker 2: a question people aren't really discussing.
18:29
Speaker 1: So I that would be perfect to me, Like I
18:31
Speaker 1: would do that in New York minute just essentially have
18:34
Speaker 1: him as a mercenary for a year. I don't.
18:39
Speaker 2: Necessarily that's the other Fangrafts. The thing is how much he
18:42
Speaker 2: boosts their playoff odds, like twelve percent or whatever. Second,
18:45
Speaker 2: most of any team Tigers need this guy and they
18:48
Speaker 2: need offense. They might not need him five years from now,
18:50
Speaker 2: they kind of do need him this shure.
18:52
Speaker 1: That's notother too. That was in your story in the Athletic.
18:54
Speaker 1: Is that, like, you know, you feel optimistic after a
18:57
Speaker 1: little bit of a playoff run. Yeah, has currently constructed
19:02
Speaker 1: and projected. It's not it's not all that certain cold.
19:06
Speaker 2: Water it Pakoda was that seventy nine eighty wins. Fangrafts.
19:12
Speaker 2: I don't have them front of you fangrafts eighty one wins.
19:14
Speaker 2: That might not be a little higher, but it's like
19:17
Speaker 2: eighty three or something. No one the bottom line is,
19:20
Speaker 2: no one's picking the Tigers win ninety games based on
19:22
Speaker 2: their current roster. And you look at these projections and
19:25
Speaker 2: you know there's probably everyone has their own like biases.
19:29
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I think Riley Green can outperform that,
19:31
Speaker 2: and I think col Keith can outperform that. And but
19:35
Speaker 2: what if the bullpen just doesn't dominate the Tiger Dan
19:38
Speaker 2: Dickerson says all the time, a great stat their runs
19:40
Speaker 2: allowed last year was the third lowest since like nineteen
19:43
Speaker 2: sixty eight or something in Tigers franchise history. That what
19:47
Speaker 2: that means is that that's just really tough to replicate historically.
19:52
Speaker 2: So the bullpen regresses, you have some bad luck whatever,
19:56
Speaker 2: and these things can cancel each other out man, so
19:59
Speaker 2: they they need more. And that's where I kind of
20:01
Speaker 2: come back to, you've waited on Bregman so long. Now
20:04
Speaker 2: if you don't get him as much as we're gonna
20:07
Speaker 2: hear how great they feel about Matt Vierling and Jase Young,
20:10
Speaker 2: and they might be right. Still be nice to have
20:13
Speaker 2: a Kim or a you know, Christian Walker, or we
20:17
Speaker 2: could throw out other names to give that extra player
20:21
Speaker 2: that extra bad And I don't know. Scott said, they're
20:24
Speaker 2: always exploring the trade market, but I'm not sure what
20:27
Speaker 2: that deal is gonna be that that brings you the
20:29
Speaker 2: right handed bath that you need.
20:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the other thing too, Like I imagine you know,
20:37
Speaker 1: Jase's probably like should I feel comfortable now? You know,
20:42
Speaker 1: now that's spring. I mean, I know he's still on side,
20:45
Speaker 1: but like spring trainings, like here, like I should I
20:47
Speaker 1: feel okay about this? It could be taken.
20:49
Speaker 2: Away from the Bregman signs. We're gonna hear Nolan R
20:52
Speaker 2: and Auto rumors the first day after that. I don't
20:55
Speaker 2: know if they'll be real or not, but we're gonna like, no,
20:58
Speaker 2: it'd be hard to eat. It's a great point, like
21:00
Speaker 2: I've already heard players are like, you know, Jay Sperling,
21:04
Speaker 2: these guys are kind of like, where where are my
21:06
Speaker 2: what position am I playing? You know? Where should I
21:09
Speaker 2: deep devoting my time? And it's like, uh, yeah, we
21:13
Speaker 2: don't really know. You know that that would suck?
21:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would. And again like if we're if we're
21:24
Speaker 1: going back to like how things have played out, so like,
21:26
Speaker 1: obviously Harris played the Flaherty market perfectly and the Bregmann
21:32
Speaker 1: market it still remains to be seen. But like I
21:36
Speaker 1: still am waiting for that one J. C. Young quote,
21:38
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still waiting for that one. Like you
21:42
Speaker 1: guys don't understand what this bat? What we see in
21:45
Speaker 1: this bat, you know whatever, like like it easily could happen.
21:49
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened. But the inaction to address that position
21:56
Speaker 1: leads me to believe like they must feel some level
21:58
Speaker 1: of confidence there because otherwise, I use this word lightly,
22:04
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's kind of malpractice if you don't feel good
22:07
Speaker 1: about a vir Lain Young platoon at third base and
22:11
Speaker 1: you do nothing.
22:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what I've heard through the grape vine
22:19
Speaker 2: since January. They feel good about their offer. They feel
22:21
Speaker 2: good about their standing in the Bregman race. Kind of
22:25
Speaker 2: interesting that offer, and yeah, like how do you know
22:30
Speaker 2: it means nothing? But they think they're going to get him.
22:33
Speaker 2: So it's like, is that they just think they know
22:36
Speaker 2: the market better than everyone else? Is that maybe Scott
22:40
Speaker 2: Harris's a genius at reading these markets, man, Maybe he's
22:43
Speaker 2: gonna get flirty and Bregmann both on team friendly deals
22:46
Speaker 2: and it's like going to have a parade for Scott.
22:49
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not like it could happen maybe, but yeah,
22:52
Speaker 2: it is. There are just so many things that can
22:56
Speaker 2: go wrong. You wait them out and the market declines,
22:58
Speaker 2: and then it's like, are you sure he's gonna to
23:00
Speaker 2: pick you over Boston, over Chicago over whatever else might
23:05
Speaker 2: be out there. We already saw how the Astros re
23:08
Speaker 2: entering this mix seemed to throw the negotiations off a
23:12
Speaker 2: little bit, even though that hasn't happened yet. All Right,
23:18
Speaker 2: I got my rants out, I'm done. I have nothing
23:21
Speaker 2: more to say about Alex Bregnant until.
23:24
Speaker 1: Until something happens. Uh, don't don't blame you there, But yeah,
23:27
Speaker 1: it is kind of it is. I think it's tiresome
23:30
Speaker 1: for everybody involved to just kind of be sitting here
23:33
Speaker 1: waiting and speculating about nothing. But at the same time,
23:36
Speaker 1: like it shows what he could be with that sat
23:42
Speaker 1: you said about his playoff chances increasing, So like there's
23:45
Speaker 1: a reason, there's a reason we devoted so much mental
23:48
Speaker 1: energy to this, to this equation. So with this being
23:57
Speaker 1: spring training week, I wanted to kind of fly some questions,
24:01
Speaker 1: some things I'm looking for uh, Cody and and and
24:04
Speaker 1: this is basically like me putting it out there for
24:06
Speaker 1: us to be able to talk about it once something
24:08
Speaker 1: tangible uh is said or done or you see or
24:12
Speaker 1: you observe whatever. Uh, Well, we we could just kind
24:15
Speaker 1: of get right into it. With the Jace Young thing,
24:17
Speaker 1: it was like, what if this like wrist injury that
24:21
Speaker 1: I guess hopefully healed. Is like he's fine, Like it's fine,
24:26
Speaker 1: it's fine. We got we got Jays Young, we got
24:28
Speaker 1: Jason Young and Matt Berling. We're fine, guys, Like there's
24:30
Speaker 1: no need to panic, Like what how is how is
24:34
Speaker 1: he going to look in spring trade? I know, like
24:37
Speaker 1: not like stats or whatever how he does, but how
24:39
Speaker 1: is he gonna look? How he's gonna hold himself the
24:41
Speaker 1: first time being a major leaguer in spring training, especially
24:47
Speaker 1: with this cloud that I'm sure was over his head
24:49
Speaker 1: the entire offseason. So I'm curious about that you mentioned before,
24:57
Speaker 1: And we haven't really talked a lot about Glaber Torres
25:03
Speaker 1: signed seemingly a long time ago. But that's your big move.
25:08
Speaker 1: I mean, the flairty want trumps it now, but like
25:10
Speaker 1: obviously positional player, that's your move that's your move to
25:14
Speaker 1: improve this team, to improve the lineup. As he signed.
25:16
Speaker 1: Glabor Torres often maligned in New York, but like a
25:22
Speaker 1: good player and you go back and listen to our
25:24
Speaker 1: podcast after the he agreed to a contract and get
25:27
Speaker 1: our full thoughts there. But this week he was kind
25:30
Speaker 1: of in the news because he was I want to
25:35
Speaker 1: say he was like taking receipts, but because it was
25:37
Speaker 1: kind of like saying, like the past of the past,
25:39
Speaker 1: but he was like kind of noting the things that
25:42
Speaker 1: were said about him by people in and around his
25:46
Speaker 1: former organization, and it got me thinking. I was like,
25:50
Speaker 1: there's a time this guy was considered a future killer
25:53
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's ever really gonna be
25:55
Speaker 1: that like now, you know, but like what if? What
25:58
Speaker 1: if this is like if you get the best version
26:01
Speaker 1: of Labor Torres, that's a better improvement than what we're
26:04
Speaker 1: talking about right now. And so like that's something I'm like,
26:09
Speaker 1: Labor Torres comes from the Yankees, He's got all this experience,
26:13
Speaker 1: he's been he's experienced pretty much everything that the game
26:17
Speaker 1: has to offer, and now he's now he's here. What
26:21
Speaker 1: does that look like for the Gritty Tigs? Basically you
26:25
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
26:26
Speaker 2: And then yeah, there are days I wake up and
26:30
Speaker 2: I'm like, have people we as we have as a
26:35
Speaker 2: baseball community underrated the Glaber tour, assigning like you need
26:40
Speaker 2: a right handed bat, and you got a guy who
26:42
Speaker 2: has been an above league average hitter pretty much for
26:45
Speaker 2: the duration of his career, who gets on base, who
26:48
Speaker 2: makes pretty good contact, and with the potential to boost
26:52
Speaker 2: the power a little bit. The chances that labor Torrez
26:56
Speaker 2: finishes with an offensive stat line better than Alex Regmans
27:00
Speaker 2: next year very real, very real. Maybe this guy's all
27:08
Speaker 2: you needed if he weren't a terrible defender and a
27:11
Speaker 2: terrible base runner and all that other stuff that makes
27:14
Speaker 2: him like a flat player. But there days where I'm like,
27:16
Speaker 2: I don't this might be an underrated signing. What if
27:19
Speaker 2: Glaber comes out and hits two seventy thirty bombs three
27:23
Speaker 2: forty five OVP and it's just like, he's what you needed.
27:27
Speaker 2: There are also days where I wake up, I'm like,
27:31
Speaker 2: is this not getting panned enough? That the Tigers had
27:34
Speaker 2: all off season? They passed on all these first basemen
27:36
Speaker 2: and the one thing they got was a player who
27:39
Speaker 2: somehow made their infield defense worse than it already was.
27:42
Speaker 2: And like you didn't get Christian Walker. You didn't. I
27:45
Speaker 2: don't think they ever really wanted Pete Alonso, but you
27:47
Speaker 2: didn't even really explore that because you jumped to get
27:51
Speaker 2: Glaber one year fifteen million. So I don't know how
27:55
Speaker 2: to feel about this guy. I'm pretty interested to watch
27:57
Speaker 2: him in a way i almost need more toward the
28:01
Speaker 2: former that I'm kind of optimistic about what he's going
28:04
Speaker 2: to bring to the line.
28:07
Speaker 1: Like an argument could be made Cody that, like he
28:11
Speaker 1: was valued by Harris and Company so highly that they
28:17
Speaker 1: gave they gave him, like, you know, fifteen million dollars,
28:21
Speaker 1: nothing to sneeze at with the way Scott Harris doles
28:23
Speaker 1: out contracts, right, they gave him fifteen million dollars, And
28:27
Speaker 1: you moved your Silver Slugger potential second baseman to move
28:34
Speaker 1: him to first base, a position that I'm I'm guessing
28:38
Speaker 1: he's never.
28:39
Speaker 2: Won the Silver Slucker.
28:40
Speaker 1: They're probably not gonna win the Silver Slugger, probably not
28:42
Speaker 1: going to make an All Star team at that position.
28:44
Speaker 1: And a guy who like had to figure it out
28:48
Speaker 1: on the fly at second base last season, and then
28:50
Speaker 1: you just go ahead and you move him to first base,
28:53
Speaker 1: so you completely blew up the end, which the fallout
28:57
Speaker 1: of that is obviously Torrelson is probably not going to
28:59
Speaker 1: be uh in Detroit at least beginning the season, So
29:02
Speaker 1: you completely blew up the right side of your infield
29:05
Speaker 1: for Glabor Torus essentially, So you can look at that
29:09
Speaker 1: one of two ways. You look at that as maybe
29:12
Speaker 1: trying a little bit too hard and not finding a
29:15
Speaker 1: good fit for your organization and what the assets that
29:17
Speaker 1: you have. That's one way to look at it. Another
29:20
Speaker 1: way to look at it is maybe they just really
29:23
Speaker 1: see something there that's gonna make a huge difference, and
29:25
Speaker 1: it's worth the potential of Colt Keith having some growing
29:30
Speaker 1: pains at first base, and it's worth kind of turning
29:34
Speaker 1: the page on Spectro torkleson like maybe maybe that's the
29:39
Speaker 1: case there because the Glabor Torre is signing, while interesting
29:44
Speaker 1: at the time and off our radar, is going to
29:48
Speaker 1: prove to be very consequential one way or another, agree,
29:54
Speaker 1: because you could you could have ruined you could ruin
29:56
Speaker 1: cold Keith. Well if he just like can't figure it
29:58
Speaker 1: out a first base or it's like you know what
29:59
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all these things that fall out from that.
30:01
Speaker 1: I'm not predicting it, saying these things can't happen, which
30:05
Speaker 1: again cold Keith. Another question, how is he? We haven't
30:08
Speaker 1: heard from him since all this happened, and that this
30:13
Speaker 1: will be our first chance to kind of see what
30:15
Speaker 1: he's thinking, and like, look at him, how is he?
30:18
Speaker 1: How is he in these drills? Like I'm a guy
30:20
Speaker 1: who likes having like a more athletic first baseman in general,
30:23
Speaker 1: So like that part, I don't have any doubts, but
30:26
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a difficult.
30:28
Speaker 2: Is he a more athletic first baseman for a.
30:30
Speaker 1: First baseman and today's basically turtles? I probably not, But
30:36
Speaker 1: he's more like Carlos Santana at age thirty.
30:38
Speaker 2: Eight, right, Santana's a great defender. Well, I don't know.
30:44
Speaker 1: I don't know.
30:44
Speaker 2: Saintandler kind of dies around and makes them player. I
30:47
Speaker 2: don't know. It's not knocking Carlos Santana, Uh Junior does
30:51
Speaker 2: the splits And we don't really have that many just
30:55
Speaker 2: lack of better term fat dudes in Major League Baseball
30:57
Speaker 2: these days because athletes take care of their body. So
31:00
Speaker 2: I don't know. I am very interesting Cold Keith in
31:04
Speaker 2: action at first because I don't know what to expect.
31:07
Speaker 2: Can you scoop a throw? How is his footwork around
31:09
Speaker 2: the bag? How will he do something? To really watch him?
31:13
Speaker 2: Spencer Corglson struggled with ground balls to that backhand side,
31:18
Speaker 2: Like is he gonna have the right instincts on those plays,
31:21
Speaker 2: because that could be a big problem, especially with a
31:23
Speaker 2: second baseman Labor who's not a good defender. It was
31:28
Speaker 2: that dynamic gonna work out. It's gonna take some time
31:31
Speaker 2: probably to get a good read on it, but I
31:33
Speaker 2: just want to see does he look natural over there?
31:35
Speaker 2: Like is it or is it like something where you
31:38
Speaker 2: can tell right away like, oh, this is going to
31:40
Speaker 2: be a struggle for a bit. I don't know. Yeah.
31:44
Speaker 1: I mean the clips are the clips are going to
31:46
Speaker 1: be well circulated whenever they exist with Colt Keith at
31:50
Speaker 1: first base.
31:51
Speaker 2: Also, anyway, I'm gonna have to post like Cold Keith
31:55
Speaker 2: takes throws at first base. It's gonna be the most
31:57
Speaker 2: boring video of all time, and people are just kinda
32:01
Speaker 2: love it.
32:02
Speaker 1: The number it's gonna do numbers, as they say. Another
32:08
Speaker 1: guy that we haven't really heard from this offseason, Riley Green,
32:13
Speaker 1: who is like officially an All Star. He is an
32:17
Speaker 1: All Star play. This is factual information, and he reached
32:22
Speaker 1: the professional that I have been looking for where he
32:26
Speaker 1: was in the game, gameplay montage of the MLB, the
32:30
Speaker 1: show trailer. So so like, you know, there there are
32:33
Speaker 1: levels to this and he's reached. This is he like
32:38
Speaker 1: can he be a star? Can he be a star
32:41
Speaker 1: in this game? And how is he handling himself in this?
32:44
Speaker 1: You know, obviously the most success he's had as a professional.
32:47
Speaker 1: He's All Star and he you know made it to
32:50
Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs, you know what I mean. So,
32:52
Speaker 1: like the Riley Green piece, we're not talking about him.
32:55
Speaker 1: He's not getting a whole lot of like publicity on
32:58
Speaker 1: national talk shows and m WILLB network and all that stuff.
33:02
Speaker 1: But like, I mean, we all know what we see.
33:05
Speaker 1: I want to see what's next for him.
33:08
Speaker 2: If I were Riley's agent, I'd be like really trying
33:11
Speaker 2: to find a way to pump his brand a little bit.
33:13
Speaker 2: And so I mean, Riley's good clubhouse guy. He's been
33:17
Speaker 2: good with the media and stuff, but he's a little
33:19
Speaker 2: there's got to be some way to like be a
33:21
Speaker 2: little more forward facing dude. And some of that's one Riley,
33:24
Speaker 2: some of that's one the Tigers, some of that's one
33:26
Speaker 2: his agent. He's underrated nationally and he really shouldn't be.
33:31
Speaker 2: Maybe if he just comes out and hits thirty five homers,
33:34
Speaker 2: that takes care of itself. But yeah, man, it's time
33:38
Speaker 2: for Riley to keep getting his love for sure.
33:42
Speaker 1: By the way, open invitation, mister Green, you can come
33:45
Speaker 1: on Tiger Territory anytime. We'd love to have you on.
33:48
Speaker 1: Uh and Alight mentioned the torque piece of this, but
33:52
Speaker 1: you know, but like the two number ones, the two
33:55
Speaker 1: more overall picks, the two guys that were once looked
33:57
Speaker 1: at as the future of the franchise. And every time,
34:01
Speaker 1: you know, Casey Mize would kind of go out to
34:03
Speaker 1: a bullpen, it's like, oh, Casey is about to throw,
34:07
Speaker 1: like let's see what we got here, you know, and
34:09
Speaker 1: like it's special total send steps up for back practice, like, oh,
34:12
Speaker 1: that's that's torque number one pick. Did you hear that
34:16
Speaker 1: he broke very bonds like freshman record at Arizona State.
34:19
Speaker 1: You know, now we're way past that, Like we're way
34:22
Speaker 1: fast that time has kind of flew that by the wayside.
34:25
Speaker 1: So I want to know how these guys are handling it. Now.
34:28
Speaker 1: They're all they each have had adversity in their career
34:32
Speaker 1: and they've been professionals. But like that was the light
34:35
Speaker 1: was still kind of on the horizon at that point.
34:38
Speaker 1: Now it's like, I don't really know what's going to happen,
34:41
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to just kind of see how they're
34:43
Speaker 1: how they're how they're about it.
34:45
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that way is like just jarring for me.
34:49
Speaker 2: How quickly things happen, how short the lifespan of the
34:54
Speaker 2: professional lifespan of an athlete really is. What six spring
34:59
Speaker 2: trainings each one's kind of a marker in time. But
35:02
Speaker 2: we've gone from Casey Maies of the new young guy,
35:05
Speaker 2: Casey Myes of the future of the franchise. Casey miz
35:08
Speaker 2: is now a big leaguer too, like case mis Hurt
35:12
Speaker 2: is just Casey and may even have a future that
35:15
Speaker 2: is just the game almost hard to comprehend. And the
35:18
Speaker 2: same with work. I think Myce it's still like there's
35:22
Speaker 2: gonna be a role for him. It's just a matter
35:24
Speaker 2: of what he wants it to be with the Tigers
35:26
Speaker 2: want it to be. We just laid out a scenario
35:28
Speaker 2: in which maybe he's your fifth starter the bullpen. I
35:33
Speaker 2: still think he could play well there. If he can,
35:36
Speaker 2: he's gonna need to splitter to be consistent air it
35:39
Speaker 2: with the fastball. We'll talk more about this on a
35:42
Speaker 2: later episode. I've gotten really into stuff plus. Ino Sarus
35:45
Speaker 2: wrote a great article in its impact. I think it
35:48
Speaker 2: explains some of the stuff that Tiger's doing are doing
35:50
Speaker 2: why they're getting out despite not striking guys out. I
35:53
Speaker 2: think they've identified certain pitches that generate actually consistent lower
35:59
Speaker 2: babbit and ground balls, so we can talk about that later.
36:03
Speaker 2: Mine's not being great out that well and stuff plus,
36:05
Speaker 2: but he great out really well in location. Plus, he
36:07
Speaker 2: was actually locating his pitches really well, and we know
36:10
Speaker 2: there's the potential for the stuff to be better. This
36:15
Speaker 2: guy still has a future in the game. I'm just
36:17
Speaker 2: not sure what it's gonna be. And then Kieran, we
36:20
Speaker 2: can get your thoughts on towerk that's a toss up. Man.
36:23
Speaker 2: I think he could have a great spring. I'm just
36:24
Speaker 2: still not sure there's a place for him on the
36:26
Speaker 2: roster right now.
36:28
Speaker 1: There's not. I don't think there's a smooth way that's
36:33
Speaker 1: for him to be on the roster. I don't have him.
36:35
Speaker 1: We'll do a projection this week. I'm not gonna have
36:38
Speaker 1: him there. I'm not sure what to believe. If he
36:41
Speaker 1: does anything in any spring training game, it's gonna be
36:45
Speaker 1: met with like a he's gonna be on the team
36:49
Speaker 1: at some point this year. He's gonna have an opportunity
36:52
Speaker 1: to make his mark and maybe like truely make Scott
36:57
Speaker 1: Harris like live up to his words about whether like
37:01
Speaker 1: this cold key the first base thing is just like
37:03
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, and then we'll figure it out, you know,
37:05
Speaker 1: moving forward, like he he will have an opportunity I
37:08
Speaker 1: believe to do that. But it's not gonna come down
37:13
Speaker 1: to like whether you're working hard, which is what Scott
37:15
Speaker 1: Harris said, like if you know during the tourist signing,
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Speaker 1: like I have no doubt Torqu's a hard worker. Uh,
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Speaker 1: It's gonna come down to kind of getting like showing
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Speaker 1: that you have a better feel in the batter's box
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Speaker 1: and then whatever mechanical things that they're having you do
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Speaker 1: to you know, in order to get more force and
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Speaker 1: you know other fancy terms that we don't have to
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Speaker 1: get into here. But to me, he is a he
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Speaker 1: is below the surface of the twenty twenty five team,
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Speaker 1: and it's and and as much as I don't I
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Speaker 1: hate seeing it, there's not really any alternative to that.
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Speaker 1: So uh, but he's not gonna get traded here. It's
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Speaker 1: not gonna trade Specier Torklsen because of the reasons I
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Speaker 1: just laid out. There's still like a way that he
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Speaker 1: comes a viable asset and you're not going to give
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Speaker 1: up on them before you absolutely have to. So so yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was a lot. We basically made like five questions
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Speaker 1: into sixty, which is okay, that's what we do here.
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Speaker 1: A little bit of a PSA programming announcement. Now that
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Speaker 1: the season is here, quote unquote, because spring training is
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Speaker 1: about to start, we will go to a three day
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Speaker 1: format during the week, so Mondays as usual, We'll have
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Speaker 1: a podcast on Wednesday mornings, and then we'll have a
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Speaker 1: podcast on Friday mornings, and of course, you know, the
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Speaker 1: Tigers signed Alex Bregman, will do an emergency pod about that,
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Speaker 1: and we might even just hop on for ten minutes
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Speaker 1: if they don't sign them, just kind of be like
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Speaker 1: what we will what was going on here? So want
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