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340: Welcome to Plathville - Where the Rubber Meets the Road (S8 E10) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to reality.
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  Speaker 1: I am Delia. I'm one of your hosts, also known
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Platview, Hoodie Girl. Things are heating up just
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In yeah, now, before we get into our enlightened recap,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to platfil b. Just I do have to ask you.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have any takeaways?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh Lydia and Zach suck donkey ball like period
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  Speaker 2: suck at the end of story, so self righteous, haughty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, unless we're being fed a line, unless production is
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  Speaker 1: just trying to frame it a certain way, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know either. We'll talk about it when we get there.
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  Speaker 1: My takeaway is like I'm just gonna warn you, especially
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  Speaker 1: all of you who are like hyper triggered by anything
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  Speaker 1: plathfll like myself, but I had so much sympathy for
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  Speaker 1: Kim Plath me too in this episode and realize that
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  Speaker 1: she's kind of been behind the scenes and like figuring
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  Speaker 1: out storylines and making sure the family talks about specific things.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting to me, Beatrice that she is deciding to
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  Speaker 1: have this be one of her storylines. Yeah, it's either
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  Speaker 1: because she's trying to create riveting television for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of us, and or like she feels it in her
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  Speaker 1: soul that it's time to put this out there because
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  Speaker 1: it has been discussed before, Joshua, what has happened everything
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  Speaker 1: in the family, it's been discussed before. She's been very
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  Speaker 1: tight lipped, but maybe now she's feeling ready to articulate
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of Yeah, she's feeling around it, and
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  Speaker 1: just as she did, I felt her me too, as
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  Speaker 1: a human, as a mom. I didn't think that it
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  Speaker 1: was fake. And so I just want to warn you,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have some compassion and sympathy for Complath
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  Speaker 1: in this episode. I mean, I've still got eyes though
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  Speaker 1: I understand a lot of it is dysfunctional. But that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm going to be bringing to this rec.
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  Speaker 2: App fair, Okay, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Well, without further a Joe, let's get into the recap
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  Speaker 1: of Welcome to Plathfell Season eight, eight, episode ten in tutututute.
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  Speaker 2: Where the rubber meets the road. Okay, don't know what
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  Speaker 2: that means?
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  Speaker 1: Well, whatever, I think it's time to get serious.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what that means. I guess.
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  Speaker 2: So we start the episode at Barry's house because he's
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  Speaker 2: getting ready to go on a blind date. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of funny. He's kind of a total goofball
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  Speaker 2: and he is talking about how he's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: nervous because he hasn't been dating in over twenty seven years.
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  Speaker 2: The last time he did was Kim Blath, so it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of a big deal. And he's talking about like
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  Speaker 2: what he looks for in a woman. He loves a
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  Speaker 2: biblical mystery, whatever that means. And he's like, you know
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  Speaker 2: how many women have read the Book of Enoch? Probably zero?
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  Speaker 2: You're Barry Plath's.
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  Speaker 1: The Book of Enoch in this bookshelf right over here.
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  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just ordered a t shirt stop with
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  Speaker 1: Sasquatch playing praying the Rosary.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. So I'm a believer.
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  Speaker 2: You're totally yeah, Barry Plath Stream Girl. And then Barry
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  Speaker 2: has this like little dorky segment where the producers are
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  Speaker 2: asking him what his best pickup lines are, and you
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  Speaker 2: can tell Barry has been laughing so hard that he's
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  Speaker 2: got tears in his eyes, and so he's giving these
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  Speaker 2: dumb ass pickup lines like oh, your hair's flowing, and
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  Speaker 2: then he does his daffy duck impression and I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I know you probably were cringing, but I was laughing.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was adorable. I think he's such a goofball.
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  Speaker 2: I know some people are really weirded out by him,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just like, he's just a bald c three
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  Speaker 2: po like it's fine humor. And then Barry also talks
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  Speaker 2: about like what he would do in terms of physical
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  Speaker 2: intimacy now that he's a bachelor, and he says that
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  Speaker 2: him and Kim actually didn't kiss until they were married,
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  Speaker 2: but now you know, he's loosened up the rules and
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't matter a little smooch in. But he's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna smooch on the first date. That's his hard line,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. And he's also knuck of fuck until he
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  Speaker 2: gets married again.
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  Speaker 1: That's just a wowser to me.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy, especially at his big age.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, why, you're fifty seven years old, and I
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  Speaker 1: understand honoring the sanctity of marriage, and I also understand
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  Speaker 1: that you weren't the one to totally detonate your relationship.
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  Speaker 1: That was kim Plath, and in your own way, you
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  Speaker 1: were honoring your partnership with her. But like, Yollo, don't
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  Speaker 1: you want to sample the wearers, sample the goods before
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  Speaker 1: you lock it down again? No?
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  Speaker 2: For real? And like, I don't know, you're older. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't you want to make sure it works well?
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  Speaker 1: Make hay while the sun is shining or whatever that's saying, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do it while you can because you're quickly approaching
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  Speaker 1: the event of complete and total impotence. So like, get
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  Speaker 1: out there and get it, hud.
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  Speaker 2: No for real, Yola, It's fine. Yeah, I'm sure God's
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  Speaker 2: gonna understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yet God don't care at all.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, he's picking out his outfit. He's gonna go
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  Speaker 2: with a T shirt that shows off his big old muscles.
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  Speaker 1: He looked kind of good.
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  Speaker 2: I know, he's got like a nice build on my okay,
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  Speaker 2: mister plaith Daddy. And so then we shift gears and
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  Speaker 2: we go back to the car ride home from Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: We have Kim and Lydia still in the car and
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  Speaker 2: we're continuing their discussion from last week, where Kim tells
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  Speaker 2: Lydia that she heard her and Zach are telling people
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  Speaker 2: how to live their lives and what music to listen
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  Speaker 2: to and not to drink alcohol, and what games to
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  Speaker 2: play and what TV shows to watch that will honor God.
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  Speaker 2: And Kim is just, you know, kind of lightly confronting
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  Speaker 2: Lydia about this. She does tell Lydia like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to start anything. People are calling me
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  Speaker 2: up and telling me about this, so I'm just going
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  Speaker 2: to address it with you. And in the car, Lydia
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  Speaker 2: totally tries to deny this and be like, no, wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like that. But then on the couch, like when she's
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  Speaker 2: talking to the camera, she does admit to how when
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  Speaker 2: they were in Montana, Mariah had a bunch of alcohol
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  Speaker 2: in front of Amber, who is a minor and that's inappropriate.
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  Speaker 2: And then they were playing a card game that was
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  Speaker 2: inappropriate that Lydia would never be comfortable playing, and when
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  Speaker 2: they were watching TV, there was an episode of something
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  Speaker 2: that had more f bombs in it than Lydia hears
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  Speaker 2: at work every day, and she just felt very like
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  Speaker 2: offended and uncomfortable by that because she didn't feel like
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  Speaker 2: they considered her feelings or Zach's feelings, and that was
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  Speaker 2: why she felt justified to confront them about that.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't her that fronted it was Zach.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing. If my brother tells me I'm acting
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  Speaker 1: a fool, sure maybe I should do something a little
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  Speaker 1: bit differently because I grew up with that dude. But
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  Speaker 1: to have your freshly wed husband of six months sit
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  Speaker 1: down your sisters and start lecturing them about what they
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  Speaker 1: should watch and consume, et cetera, is wild. And at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, Kim, this is the child that you raised,
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  Speaker 1: and she's parroting the system that you indoctrinated her into.
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  Speaker 1: The decisions and the choices and the moral superiority she's
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  Speaker 1: now demonstrating come entirely from you and from Barry. And
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  Speaker 1: while yes, Kim, you've obviously changed the way that you
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  Speaker 1: live your life like you've got a different perspective. You're
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  Speaker 1: now a drunken adulteresss living with a one eyed racist
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  Speaker 1: in your farmhouse. Like, yes, that's all true, But at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, like, you can't judge Lydia for judging
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  Speaker 1: others when you raised her to judge.
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  Speaker 2: People, right, Yeah, And I will say I did love that.
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  Speaker 2: Kim actually expressed this, like later in the episode, she
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  Speaker 2: made a comment about how she sees so much of herself,
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  Speaker 2: her younger self in Lydia because she was definitely like
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  Speaker 2: this and she was judging other people and she was
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  Speaker 2: very like heavy in their religion. And now it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: she talks to God as a friend, and now she's
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  Speaker 2: just like it's fine, I've mellowed out, I've aged a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, like I've chilled you know. So I think
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  Speaker 2: Kim is in a weird spot because she did raise
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  Speaker 2: Lydia to be this way and then she blew the
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  Speaker 2: family up, and she's definitely learned her lessons and some
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: of her lessons and she's chilled out with age in
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  Speaker 2: terms of like the religious structure and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But like, how do you confront that with your kid
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  Speaker 2: who's now married to an ultra religious judgmental now with
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  Speaker 2: a baby doll mouth, Like, how do you confront that?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can't really she doesn't really have a
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  Speaker 2: place to say to day now at this point, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think Kim is kind of in a weird spot,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I think, like I understand the family judging
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  Speaker 2: Lydia harshly for this, because it's like, why are you
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: letting your husband lecture everybody else in the family, like
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: the audacity. It's not like Zach has been married in
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  Speaker 2: this family for ten years and like has more of
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: a place in the family as a as an established member.
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  Speaker 2: He's literally been there for like five days, right, Like
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: what the hell?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I think the only person who could check Lydia
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: in this moment because she does need to be checked. Yes,
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: Like that attitude is wrong. It's also anti Christ, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what you have to say, especially those people out there,
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: was like, well, where's supposed to judge the character? Okay,
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: it's Antichrist though Christ said it, and Isaac actually quotes
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  Speaker 1: the scripture that I love to quote as well. But like,
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  Speaker 1: the person who could check Lydia is Barry. Yeah, because
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: Lydia has a lot of love and affection and respect
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  Speaker 1: for her father, who I also think she feels Kim
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: unfairly destroyed. I agree, So she loves Barry and Barry
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  Speaker 1: is also a Christian and he holds his values firm.
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  Speaker 1: But if Barry was the one who said, you know what, Liddy,
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing this. You shouldn't be saying this
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  Speaker 1: to your sister, you shouldn't allow your husband to be
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: saying these things to your family. I think that would
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: go a long way with her totally. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Barry's going to because later in this episode, when
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: they're talking about Ethan Kim and Barry, Barry's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know how to help him or what
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 3: Then find the resources, Barry, No, yeah, somebody go to
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: therapy yourself, Like what can you do to be proactive
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: to help your tomato faced son and your dysfunctional children.
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: It's like he's just given up.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, Barry would have so much power over the kids, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: if he actually established himself as the patriarch, as the father,
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  Speaker 2: because I do think that the kids were raised to
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: respect that. But Barry really is and I've said this before.
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  Speaker 2: He's such a fucking passive parent, Like he literally just
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  Speaker 2: takes a backseat to fucking everything. He would rather be
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: the kind, loving parent, the Disney dad, the Disney dad
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  Speaker 2: in the background, never punishing them, never giving them any
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  Speaker 2: kind of criticism, and just being there. Then actually being
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  Speaker 2: a role model and a parental figure and a figure
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  Speaker 2: that can guide them in a good, healthy direction. Like
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  Speaker 2: he's just sitting there back.
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  Speaker 1: There working and he's letting Kim take the majority of
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  Speaker 1: the heat for all the mistakes that they both made, right.
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  Speaker 2: Which is messed up, it is, honestly. So we end
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  Speaker 2: this segment with Kim and Lydia where Lydia says to
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  Speaker 2: the camera, you know, she just feels really misunderstood and
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: she doesn't feel like her family considers her, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why she brought up the things in Montana
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  Speaker 2: that bothered her, and that's why Zach talked about it,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, they just don't feel missed, they just
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: don't feel understood. And I'm just like, girl, get out
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  Speaker 2: of here. I have so much shit to say it
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  Speaker 2: about that, But we'll get to it when we get
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: to the conversation with Isaac and Ethan and Kim. Later
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  Speaker 2: in the episode, we go back over to Florida with
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  Speaker 2: Barry going on as blind date. He meets up with
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  Speaker 2: this petite blonde woman who's kidny and she's forty six?
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  Speaker 1: Is she?
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: She says, she's forty six. I think she's I thought
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  Speaker 2: she looked fine. Oh I'm not gonna.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Be not a question about whether she looks fine or not.
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  Speaker 1: She looks great, but forty six.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Are we age shaming? Now?
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: We are because all of Reddit is doing it as well.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Nobody believes her. But I just feel like, just own
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: your age. Honey. You're definitely in your fifties. But like,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: who am I to talk? Yeah, but like when I
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: was at age, I was hot. Oh I was really,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I really was so hot. I'm just like, honey, it's
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: okay to be in your fifties.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I thought she looked pretty, Okay, all right, I thought
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  Speaker 2: she looked pretty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying she didn't look forty six because I
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: remember forty six and all that I had going on
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: to Nah, God, I do like it was your look.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody ages stifferently, and it's all stopped from everyone's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: This is the way they are.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, she's forty six, she says, and she's blonde, petit,
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  Speaker 2: and Barry says she's a nice or says she's a
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: pretty little thing, something like that, something like that. Barry
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  Speaker 2: is obviously physically attracted to her, and he's excited about
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: this state, and it seems like this chick, her name's Jonah,
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  Speaker 2: is also attracted to Barry shockingly, which I kind of
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: loved it. I was like, oh, that's kind of cute.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: They're totally awkward. Barry is such an awkward goober. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's such a goober. And I didn't realize he was
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  Speaker 2: fifty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he.
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  Speaker 2: Was younger for some reason. So I'm like, hey, okay,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: he's my age.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I'm fifty eight and I just turned fifty eight,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: but like he's literally my age. Yeah, well thank you.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, he's actually like Cody Brown. Yeah,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: he's actually working out and he's trying to be physically fit,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: and I think it shows.
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  Speaker 2: It looks good on him totally, and Jonah seems totally
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  Speaker 2: into him. They're maintaining eye contact the whole time, and
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  Speaker 2: she's given him a little bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: Mind little gaga.
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  Speaker 2: She's like I like, your daddy muscles. Do you lift?
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  Speaker 2: Do you work out? And Barry's like, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: Do you work out? I go to the gym five
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  Speaker 2: times a week And Barry's instantly hard and he's like,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: oh my god, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Got that kind of time to go five times a
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  Speaker 1: week with a job. I know it.
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  Speaker 2: She's a realtor, she's a mom of four kids. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. Barry's totally into her, and they have
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: like a nice conversation or whatever. They seem to hit
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: it off. You know, he talks about his kids because
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Jonah did her research before coming on the date, so
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: she knows about them stuff. And she's like, how many
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: kids do you have? As if I don't know, and
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Barry says something weird. He's like, well, I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of kids, but it's not in the double digits,
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  Speaker 2: but it's right there before double digits. So I've got
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  Speaker 2: nine kids.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. That disturbed me, right, because Joshua was and is
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  Speaker 1: your child exactly, So why wouldn't you say I have
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  Speaker 1: ten kids? One of them passed away, but ten kids.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I was trying to give him the
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  Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt here because I'm like, maybe this
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  Speaker 2: is just something that they've all just rehearsed throughout the
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: years of maybe this is how Kim wanted to cope.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: With everything, which it is not to have to talk
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly, to just be like, we have nine kids and
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: that's shitty obviously, but like you know, given the tragic
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: circumstances and stuff. I was just thinking like maybe that's
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: how they maybe that's how they kind of address it
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: talk about it. But anyway, So Jonah, she's in a
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Barry Berry's into Jonah. She he says that she's her type,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and she asks him, you know, what are you looking
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: for in a woman? He's like someone adventurous and someone
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: who likes to travel and who's fun and outgoing. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: she's like, oh, like me eh and he's like yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: And then he asks her out on another date, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: she's hoping that he'll kiss her. He doesn't. He gives
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: her a nice long hug. He knows that she would
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: be into making out with him, but he's like, I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: gotta save myself, stop it. The next date, he's like,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I want the producers to leave so that way I
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: can take her out to dinner and make out. With
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: her or something, and so it looks like they're gonna
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: have another date.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how far this goes.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, I would love for Barry to have a new girlfriend,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and I would love for Kim to be jealous about it.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I would love it if she's a hot, little chippy,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: athletic and fun.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Totally and look like we're gonna give Kim a lot
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of grace in this episode. But I was watching this
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: date with Barry thinking Kim's gonna be so mad. It's
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: gonna be so mad watching this bad.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I think she cares, yeah Barry and who he's dating,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: If she's so over him.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think there's somewhere deep down
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: where she's gonna be bitter because he keeps talking about
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: wanting petite.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yes fit that I think is gonna pay her off.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But I don't think she's like coming from a jealous
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: place or like not wanting him to be with somebody else.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think she necessarily cares about that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I wonder if she's gonna be bitter though, if he
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: ends up with somebody attractive and young, because she's gonna
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: be like, what the fuck I left you? Though? You
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's kind of like that idea
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: of like, I left you, so you're supposed to be unhappy.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And then what if Ken actually leave? Oh my god,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't lose one hundred pounds or whatever he
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: wants her to do, takes his jukebox and he goes
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: and lives somewhere else, and then Kim, what are you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: gonna do?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Ken goes and takes his juke bus to the assisted
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: living facility. It's eighties rock night, guys, let's party, Let's
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: play shuffleboard and be racist together. God, oh my god,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: be terrible. So anyway, after the date, then we have
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Barry going over to the farmhouse to talk with Kim,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and he's also bringing back the juicer, okay, which is
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: so stupid, and they kind of laugh about it, almost
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: like this was a dumb storyline, like why were we
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: even talking about the juicer?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: But he goes over there to talk with Kim about
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: her trip to Wisconsin, like that's pretty much the purpose
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of it. And he gets there and her house is
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a fucking mess.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It really was, Beatrice. I was kind of shocked, Yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: what's going on? And this I think is further evidence
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that Kim at this time in her life might actually
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: be falling apart a little bit. Yeah, but because she
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: ran like a much tighter ship before in the farmhouse,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and so it's either her falling apart or this is
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: how Ken lives and like this is just what they do.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But like, clean your shit up. You've got three little
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: girls that live there.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was alarmed.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It was a mess, and I don't know, people have
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: made some inappropriate comments on Reddit about Kim and her
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: drinking habits and stuff, and I was just like looking
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: at all this and I'm like, this is kind of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: screaming a little bit, like you're an alcoholic and like
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you're just like lazy and just drinking all day. And
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: again that is further evidence of her life falling apart
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and her breaking a bit, because you know, you can
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: only bottle up all of that trauma and all of
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that bullshit for so long. Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: But if I know a camera crew is going to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: be inside of my house when I tell you, I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: going to be furiously cleaning for an entire week before
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: they get their deep cleaning, Everything's going to be exactly
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: where it's supposed to be. Like, I can't fathom a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: world where I would let a camera crew pick up
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: such a mess. It's not horder levels, but it's definitely
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: like I don't give a shit level totally friendliness.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if it is Ken influenced. Yeah, because
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Kim wasn't a dirty little grub even when she divorced
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Barry and was in her ballet studio, like, it was
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: nice and it was clean. Yeah, but maybe it's all
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Ken's bullshit because he's an old Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: But when we went to his house in the last
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: season when she had her boat and she'd go over
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to his house to get drunken fuck like, it seemed
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to be clean and fairly minimal in terms of decoration.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So like, I just don't know where this is coming from,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: but it looked abysmal.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It's pretty concerning, and honestly, like, I wonder what Barry
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: thinks about all of it. But maybe he's just like.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I dodged a bullet glad to be.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Rid of her. You know, he's just got back from
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: his date with Jonah, so he's just like whatever, I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: don't care, here's your juicer back. But when they sit
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: down to talk, Kim tells him about her trip to Wisconsin.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: She talks about Ethan first, and you know, she asks Perry, like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: do you know how Ethan and Teagan broke up? And
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of course Barry's like no, because I'm an absent father,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and she tells him what happened. We all know Tea
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: went to surprise Eathan for his birthday, drove five hours
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: or whatever to Minnesota. She shows up. Something happened where
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Ethan got triggered and saw Olivia and Teagan, and then
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: he sped off in his old man car, turned off
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: his phone, and we hear from Kim he was gone
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: for twelve hours, twelve hour, twelve hours with no ability
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to contact him. Phone off, phone off, and apparently Teagan
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: was driving around looking for him and couldn't find him. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and she spent several hours trying to find him, and
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: then ultimately was like, Okay, I guess I'm gonna go
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: back to Wisconsin. So she drove all the way back
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: and then called him the next day to break up
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: with him. That was crazy, insane.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I thought I was just picturing Ethan maybe driving off
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: for a couple of hours. Yeah, which is already kind
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of awkward because Teagan doesn't necessarily know your grandparents, so
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: she's at your grandparents' farm and what she's supposed to do.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: But twelve hours, that's great, Like did she have to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: have dinner with that? And then did she sleep there
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that night? Just trying to text you and follow your
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: location or whatever, Like that's just insanity to me, Ethan,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you deserve everything that you get. Yeah, when Teagan ultimately
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: dumps your ass, which we all know that she does,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I think because she's already with somebody else. Yeah, according
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: to Instagram, and you deserve it. You're a bad, bad partner.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like what the fuck is wrong with you? Like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: and it's one thing to be triggered, and you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: nobody knows how to handle their triggers perfectly. Like obviously
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it takes a long time to be able to recognize
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: your triggers and learn how to react to them properly
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: where you're not being a toxic asshole. But like this
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: is so extreme to me for him to be so
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: triggered that he drives off, Yeah for twelve hours, Like
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: what the fuck did Tea can do to make you sew?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Nothing triggered? Nothing, just a little bit of accountability, Like
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: could you please just tell me what's going on. That's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: all she did was just ask him what is when
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: her world was doing in the moment, and that was
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: so triggering he left for twelve hours. Crazy.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when Kim's telling Barry this story, Barry's
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: obviously shocked and he's like, wow, Ethan's got some shit
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that he's got to deal with. Still, he needs to heal.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And then Kim is like, yeah, he also needs to
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: learn basic communications bills, like what the fuck is wrong
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: with me?
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And then this kind of leads into a conversation with
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Kim and Barry where she says, you know, you and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I were not the best communicators and we kind of
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: taught our kids this. But ultimately Kim says, I'm the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: one that gets blamed for it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: All.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: You don't get blame for it, but like I'm taking
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: the brunt of it. And Barry of course is like, yeah, well.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: He does get on camera though, doesn't he and he
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: does defend her a little bit. Was it during that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: or was it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: It was about Joshua Joshua?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So after this, then Kim tells Barry about her
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: trip back home with Lydia and Barry asks her, you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: were you guys able to talk about things like and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: because he's aware of the fact that Lydia and Kim
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: have a dysfunctional relationship right now, and Kim says, yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I did talk to her about going on
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: those podcasts where she discussed Joshua and how she blamed me,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: mainly for not equipping her with the tools to handle
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Joshua's death. And then this is where Barry does defend Kim,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and he says something like, she was in a storm
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: that she couldn't get out of and she didn't know
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: how to deal with it, right, I mean, it's a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: really difficult thing. And then Barry also says something like,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: you know, Lydia was only four years old, so like,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: how much can you really talk to a four year
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: old about a concept as big as death, Like you
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: can really only have so much to talk about it
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: with them. And you know, I've seen some people be
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: critical of Barry saying this because four year olds can
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: still experience extreme trauma, But at the same time, it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: like from a parent, yeah, you can't really have like
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: an in depth conversation with a four year old about
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a traumatic death.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Like this right, And also you kind of want to
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: be careful. So if you are talking about it, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I think they probably tried to, like you, you've got
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: to frame it in a certain way that doesn't further
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: traumatize a child who actually witnessed what happened. So it's
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a fine line that anybody would have to walk, but
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: especially a couple of sort of emotionally stunted individuals who
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: are just overly relying on religion to get them through whatever.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Like they're not going to know what to say. They're
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: just going to be like, well, let's pray, yeah, exactly,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and hopefully there's going to be some sort of a
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: breakthrough that they can't facilitate because they don't know how.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And Kim was it sounds like kind of catatonic, Yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: just not present at all, dissociating, totally, did not know
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: how to deal with it. And I can absolutely imagine
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: how terrible it was for her, So like, yeah, she
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: would have a difficult time sitting down with her littles
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and being like, well, this is what happened, this is
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: how you should feel about it. Let me help you
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: with She couldn't even talk. She still can't talk. She
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: still can't verbalize what she saw that day exactly, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: all these years later.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: She said that multiple times in this episode. She's like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I have this play by play of that day that's PTSD,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and she says it replays in her mind all the time,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: but she can't verbalize it. She can't talk about it
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: still to this day. It's been seventeen years, Like she
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: still cannot talk about that. And that's valid, dude, sure,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Like that's totally valid.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't negate that she shouldn't try to of course,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that there's something that's inside of her that she needs
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to work through, like, of course, but you also have
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to be ready for that, And that's what I was
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: trying to get at with my takeaway. It feels like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: maybe she's ready to do that right now because she's
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: orchestrating this entire storyline a little bit.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what it felt like.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe she wants to talk about it finally.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like maybe Lydia was the catalyst for her to
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: finally be able to deal with it, because she has
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: been totally coasting like this entire time, just not dealing
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: with it, not handling it, just bottling it up, masking
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and masking, and I kind of felt like, in this
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: conversation with Kim and Barry, Kim is low key resentful
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: of Barry for not being a good communicator along with her,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: because she mentioned something about how Barry couldn't even give
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Ethan the sex head talk, like she had to be
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the one to talk to Ethan about sex before he
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: got married to Olivia. And we have that little flashback
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: from like the earlier seasons or whatever with little blonde,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: blonde hair, beardless.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Johnny apples so optimistic Ethan.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And he's smiling. I'm like, I haven't seen you smile forever, dude,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: You're so depressing and angry now. But yeah, So, like
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I think Kim kind of resents Barry for just like
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: not really being a good communicator, and she gets the
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: brunt of it from all of her kids and even
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: from people online, Like, she gets the brunt of a
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: lot of the blame and stuff, and we've blamed her
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: for things on this podcast, and I don't know, after
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: this episode, I was kind of feeling bad too about
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: some of the things I've said about.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Her because I like repeatedly call out that she was
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the one, you know, responsible essentially for this and yeah,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: so she's beating herself up more than anybody else could
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: ever beat her up.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And it really hit home with me that for that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: year or year and a half, that she was catatonic,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: unable to just cope in the most basic of ways.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: It was Barrie's duty to stand in the gap for
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: her and the family. And maybe he did. We don't know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we weren't watching the show back then. Maybe he did
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the very best that he could, but that is what
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: she needed from him. But my sense is that he
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: just kept going to work. She had to just click
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: right back into her pregnancy with Amber. She gives birth
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to Amber, Like nobody's really taking care of Kim.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my sense is like Barry probably stood up in
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a little bit of ways, Like he probably was still
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the provider, so he probably was gone at work for
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of the time, and Kim was stuck having
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to mother all of the kids and stuff, and like
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: maybe he tried to talk to some of his kids
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit, but like he didn't. I don't
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: strike him as somebody who was nurturing of Kim's feelings
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: at all. He probably gave her time, tried.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a robot.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: He's a total robot.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: He should have gotten her into therapy immediately. When you're
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: in a cult like that, therapy is going to talk
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to the pastor having some misogynistic patriarchal asshole tell you
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: how to feel.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So and that, like, they were also homeschooling all of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: their kids, so Barry probably was like, well, all right,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to still do this, you know what
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I mean. So it's just like it's a really terrible situation.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And so then their conversation concludes with Kim bringing up
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: child support.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I was so surprised and taken aback. I was that
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Barry Plath is not paying his child support. He's paying
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of whatever he's supposed to be paying monthly
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: for the three girls, and he's not doing it, and
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: he says, I don't have it, And I guess the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: agreement was that he would make up for any arrears
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: child support and start to make his one hundred percent
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: payments when he sold his house, which I just saw
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: like a few weeks ago, that that fucker is still
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: on the MLS. I think he's asking six hundred some
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: one thousand dollars for it or whatever.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Whack.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It is kind of whack because it's very dated.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean so in the middle of nowhere.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a beautiful property as well. But like, yeah,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: so he's waiting to sell his house before he pays
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: her child support, which is weird.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering how much child support is she
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: actually wanting. Does he not have the kids for fifty
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: to fifty also gets the kid's fifty to fifty, so
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: though he does. I think that's part of their agreement.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: And people were on Reddit, We're saying that too. People
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: were saying that actually is a justification for why he's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: only paying half of the child support because he does
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: have fifty percent custody.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: If he's got fifty percent custody, then he really shouldn't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: be paying any child support or it would just be
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: the difference between what she makes and he makes. I think.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: So that's curious to me. I would love to know
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the specifics of whatever agreement they hammered out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Me too, me too? And is she getting calimony too?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Like how much is she actually getting from him? Yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: that's what I want to know. And is she being
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: greedy or is she like actually advocating for her full amount.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because it's Kim Plath too, Like we
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: have to keep that in mind a little bit with her.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, and also, why are you bringing it up
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: on camera on TV?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: She did that last season? She did go when she
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: wanted that divorce to get finalized and for them to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: strike some kind of an agreement.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Right, So it was just interesting she brought that up.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And then when she brings it up, Berry's like, yeah,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have it, and then he just gets up
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and leaves.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: How does he not have it? Though? Yeah, because he's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: i think full time employed at a somewhat lucrative job
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that used to support him, her, their children, and all
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of their multiple properties. Yes, the mortgage is on all
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: of the properties. So like, he used to be able
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to afford all of that. How come you can't plus
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: whatever you're making for plaith Bill, Yeah, you should be
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: able to pay your child support, you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Think, unless it's a crazy amount. But I'm just like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that's weird. And he straight up said he couldn't afford it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, are you broke? Like you can't be
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: broker than Kim who doesn't have a job and she's
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: married to a retire right is getting social security? Like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you can't be that bink. So yeah, so I don't know.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It was interesting and so then we flash forward two
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: weeks later and this is where we get to the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: conversation between Kim, Isaac and Ethan.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: This was juicy.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So Isaac is at the Cairo property. He's building a
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: bench or something or a bench. Yeah, he's such a
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: mean he's so handsome.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: He builds, he.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Works with his hands, he does. And then we have Ethan,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: who flew down from Wisconsin and they're there because this
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: is the one year anniversary of Zach and Lydia's weddings.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I guess they're going to be doing some celebration or
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: whatever as a family.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Why.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Cringe, feels like they hate Zach and Lydia, but okay.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're there because they're going to have a
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: little conversation with Kim before like this celebration or whatever.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: So we check him with Ethan. Ethan apparently found a
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: therapist in Wisconsin, which I was shocked by me as well,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: and I'm actually very very happy me too. I really
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: hope that he sticks with this therapy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I doubt he will I don't know.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: He says he thinks he likes the therapist and it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: good to talk about things and get out of your head.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, please just keep going, yes, please.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Just keep going. It'll help you not be an angry
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: piece of shit. Maybe you can grow from it, because
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I do think he's got potential to grow.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Everybody does.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Everybody does, so I'm very encouraged that he's got a therapist. Now.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: He says he's still glad that he moved up to Wisconsin,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: even though him and Teagan are not dating and they're
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: never going to date again.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: No, she's seen him a couple of times at this point.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: He's been there for a few months.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yep. So they're friends, I guess according to Ethan. But
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: he's he's in therapy and that's all that matters. And
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Kim arrives, and then this is where Isaac brings up
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: the road trip that Kim had back with Lydia and
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the Montana trip that Lydia and Zach went on off camera.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: So Kim says that she heard Zach was on Mariah's
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: ass for drinking a bunch of alcohol and said that
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that's not godly.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Having alcohol in her home, not necessarily even drinking it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, Because Kim says, I drink alcohol in front
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: of him all the time.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And I wish he would let him try to tell
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: me about it.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting that he doesn't lecture her about it,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: but he's quick to lecture Mariah, right, And I'm like,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Mariah's older than you also, so fuck off, dude. But whatever.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So this is how the conversation starts. Kim says, Zach
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is lecturing Mariah about alcohol, and then Isaac says, when
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: they were in Montana because I guess Isaac and Caylen
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: went back to Montana, yes, after the trip with Ethan
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and Tagan, and this is where they hung out with
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Zach and Lydia on that trip. Zach only talked to
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the girls when Isaac wasn't around. Fucked up, And didn't
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: you say last week it was because Isaac would have
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: checked his ass.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he would have checked Zach for going after Mariah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: He would have checked Zach for doing it in front
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of Kaylin, his girlfriend. He absolutely what have yep.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And Isaac is frustrated by this because he thinks it's disrespectful.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: For one, because Mariah let Zach and Lydia stay at
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: her house and use her car while they were staying
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: in Montana. So like, you are being welcomed into this
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: woman's home and then you have the audacity to lecture
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: and judge her about not just the alcohol, but the
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: car games that they're playing, the TV shows that they're watching,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the music she's listening to, everything that she's doing in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: her life. Fuck you, that is not honoring God. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Isaac says something like, you know, normal people know their place, Like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: if you're being welcomed into someone's home, it's not your place,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: or you're right to make any comments or judgments about
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: how they live their lives. You might personally disagree with
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: some of the things that they're doing, but you're being
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: welcomed into their home. It's none of your fucking business.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And then he quotes the log in your eye or
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the speck in your eye scripture.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Well, don't pick out this speck in your brother's eye
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: when you're walking around just redwood logging it, Yeah, in
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: your own eye.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: And didn't you say that last week too? I think
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I did, base yes, And this gets into a conversation
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: about religion, which I actually really appreciated in this episode
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: because we hear from all three of them, Isaac, Kim,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and Ethan about how it's mainly Isaac and Ethan talking
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: about Christianity, how these are the kinds of Christians that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: they hate because it's not godly to sit there and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: judge everybody else. It's actually pretty fucked up. And Ethan
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: in particular gets really mad about it. And I thought
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: this was really great because we know online people are
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: always shitting on Ethan in particular for being a Christian
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: nationalist or whatever and being a bigot and stuff, and
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, here you are. We have Ethan saying
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: like we shouldn't be judging people like this is not
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: what real Christianity is.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you, loved. And I know I've been soapboxing up
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: about this, least do it more multiple episodes, but this
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: is the kind of Christian that I feel like we
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: need to call out, or really the type of Christianity
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that other Christians need to call out. And there's always
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: this and I think, I yeah, in the preview, doesn't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Lydia say something like, well, but God says righteous anger,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: yes is okay? Or whatever? Like all of these Christians
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: who cherry pick scriptures that don't actually originate from the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: words of Jesus, which should supersede if you're a Christian,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: should supersede any other scripture in the Bible, the Red
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Letters in the Bible, should supersede anything that Paul said,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: anything that John said, any other book. And yet they
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: rely on cherry picking in order to continue to judge people.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And this is what I think Zach and Lydia are
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: doing now. I find that to be odious, yep and repel.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, when I was their age,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and I was sold out in radical for Jesus, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I was literally a missionary to all of these South
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Pacific islands. Missionary work in and of itself is arrogant,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and proselytization trying to convert somebody to your religion is arrogant.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But like when I was young, I was doing it too,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: because when you're young, you're idealistic, and in Christianity, you're
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a young person who loves Jesus and you want everybody
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to know. And also you've had the fear of religion
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: instilled in you. So like, if I don't help my
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: sister be saved, she's going to a literal hell. So
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've got to do something. So like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: there's so much fucked up messaging within these systems of
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: religious groupthink, and you really see Lydia and Zach as
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: a product of that. Totally. So having the counterpoint of
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a young man like Isaac younger than Lydia yep, right, Yes,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: being able to quote a scripture and call out his
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: sister for being is se antichrist yeah, and Unchristian. I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: think is so good for somebody like me to see
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: because I relate to Kim when she's like, I've mullowed out,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I've chilled out. I'm not so much the letter of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the law or pharasitical, if you will. I'm more the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: spirit of the law and the love. And that's God
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: is my friend. Yes, like that's I relate to that,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of us really relate to that,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: and much less with this organized religious mouthpiece bullshit. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: have hope for Lydia, yeah, because she seems like an
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: intelligent girl with a big heart. I have hope for
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: her that she will come out of this at some
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: point just as I did, and she will have a
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: more full and compassionate spiritual experience. But as long as
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: she's yoked to a guy like Zach, yeah, I worry
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit about that.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: I really do think Zach is the negative influence here,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: because I think Zach is the one that is making
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: these judgments and like influencing Lydia to be like this.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: And I think Lydia, you know, isn't there like some
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: scripture or whatever that's like honor your husband or something
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: like that. Maybe she's trying to be this like good Christian.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But also husbands you have to serve your wives, right,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: It's a mutual.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Thing for sure. But I think that Lydia is probably
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: acting as like I've got to be this dutiful wife
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: and like if this, if my husband says this, then
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: he's right because God and blah blah blah. Like so
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: she's just like following suit with this, and I really
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: hate it. I hate it for her, I hate it
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: for the family. And I do appreciate that the Plaths
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: are calling it out and they're they're being pretty articulate
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: with it and articulate about their faith and everything of
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: like this is not what Christ preached at all, Like
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: what are we doing here? And I was watching this
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: with your daughter, who straight up said like, these are
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the types of Christians that turn people away from Christ. Yes,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: because people get icked out by this type of Christianity
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: where you're so fucking judgmental that you're telling people how
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: to live their lives.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: You're not God, No, you are not. You know what
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I was thinking as I was watching this, like maybe
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Kim's terrible behavior, having an adulterous affair, allegedly drinking and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: partying and doing all the things she's been doing, Maybe
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that's actually the pivot that all of the children needed
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to extricate themselves from this cult, to cut the cord,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: give them permission if you will, not to have to
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: continue in this system. Like her doing that saved and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: even freed these kids. And it's like Hosanna, I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is still super turbo evangelical, you've got Lydia, but I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: think the rest of them have moved away from this
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: religion for the most part. Like, for example, she seems
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like a free thinker, she seems like a truth teller. Yeah,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: And I think Cassia and also Mercy are very similar
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: in that way. So kind of thank God that Kim
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: made these terrible decisions so her children could be liberated
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: from her fucked up religion, but you still have you
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: still have Lydia who's now married to the Kim and
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Barry replacement, which is.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Zach one hundred percent. And actually, when Lydia went on
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I think the Matt and Abbey podcast, she talked about
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: this a little bit about when her parents split up,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: like it was kind of like her whole world turned
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: upside down, and like she did kind of verbalize a
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: little bit about how it like it just made her
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: question a lot of things. Of course, I questioned the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: way that they grew up and all this stuff. But
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: then she said that she leaned in harder to her
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: religious structure and stuff just to have some kind of
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: foundation because everything changed, of course, And look like I
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: can have sympathy for that, Like this is a really
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: big change in their family and their life, and especially
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: with Lydia being the parentified middle child old, you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: like this would have been really shocking and detrimentaled her.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: So I can't blame her for turning to religion for
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the structure. It's just unfortunate that she had to marry an.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Allegedly gay guy. Got stop saying, well, but he sucks dude, absolutely.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I like that. No, no, no, no, no. Obviously I'm gay.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think gay people suck. But it's just like
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I think, Zach, like, how dare you be so judgmental
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of everybody else, like when you don't want people to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: judge you?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And how dare you both tell your family that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: you don't want them to be talking about you and
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: spreading rumors and then here you are talking about all
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: of these other people in your family. You fucking hypocrites.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: And Isaac called that out this l which was so
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: all loved it. And this was in the context, of course,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: of Joshua, because Kim brings us up to Ethan and
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Isaac about how Lydia went on these podcasts and talked
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: about Joshua's death in depth and said some things that
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Kim felt were inappropriate and too sensitive to the subject matter. Apparently,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: according to Kim, Lydia went into extreme detail about like
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the events of Joshua's death on that day, and Lydia
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: also speculated that Joshua's death led to Kim and Barry's divorce,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: And Kim does say on camera and to Ethan and
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Isaac that that was not the reason why they split up,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: and this opens up a conversation about whether or not
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Lydia was in the right to say these things publicly,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: and according to Kim and Ethan and Isaac, Lydia should
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: not have gone out publicly talking about such a sensitive,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: traumatic subject. And Isaac and Ethan are both under this understanding,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: this mutual understanding of like, this was a really traumatic event,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Kim was the one obviously at the hands of it,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and if she doesn't want to talk about it, and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: if she doesn't really want to address it in the family,
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: like that's cool with them. And Ethan even says that
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to Kim, says, hey, Mom, if you never want to
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: talk about Joshua with me ever again, like I'm cool
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: with that. I'm gonna be okay with it. And then
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Isaac says something really nice to Kim, like, Mom, like
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: you did such a great job raising all nine of
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: us while going through that, Like I don't fault you
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: for anything, like I forgive you, I love you, and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you did a great job given the circumstances. And Kim's
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: really appreciative to hear about that. And obviously Kim says
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: to the camera, which I think is valid. She says,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: you know, I cannot deal with the pain of losing Joshua,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: but I can't deal with the pain even more of
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: losing of hurting all of my children at the same time,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: and like not being there for them, Like the guilt,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the overwhelming guilt and shame that I feel is just
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: too much to bear. And so Lydia or sorry. When
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Kim says that Lydia went on these podcasts and talked
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: about it, it just opened up this wound all over
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: again for her.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's valid, yep, And I understand that,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: But I maintain that Lydia had every right to say
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: whatever she thought and whatever she felt, because I think,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: as I said last week, it's not just your story, Kim,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: especially when you had multiple children, if not all of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: the children that were also present at the time, some
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: of whom can remember what actually happened. That's their story too. Yes,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: that's their perspective of what happened, and they are entitled
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to be able to talk about that, use that as
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: a demonstration of how to overcome stuff. Also lament that
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: they were never given their resources to fully process and
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: heal from that, and like all of that is entirely fair,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: but at the same time, two things are true at
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the same time, that also would hurt Kim. Yes, and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: that to somebody who's been masking for seventeen years, for
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: somebody who's just been tamping trauma, the worst trauma as
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a mom, a parent, I could ever imagine just stuffing
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: it down like that would be absolutely triggering to somebody
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: like Kim. Both ladies are entitled to their perspective, and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I think deep down Kim understands this.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I agree, and I.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Think Kim knows that Lydia needs to talk about it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: And the reason we have her going to therapy in
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the next scene is because she's doing it for Lydia.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: She says that, like, I want to be a parent
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: who can help Lydia through this process because it's obviously
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: still harmful to her. It's still hurting her, it's still
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: hurting me. I want to be able to collaborate and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: connect with her around that. Yes, So, like all of
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it's sad, all of it is traumatic. I understand that
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Kim has legitimate PTSD and maybe so does Lydia for sure,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So like, this family needs a lot of help.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And I went looking on the into whips and the
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: reddits and the YouTube's to try and find what clips
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: like Kim was referencing, because Kim talks about this in
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: these episodes, saying Lydia went into extreme detail and she
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: was sharing things that were really sensitive that you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the family didn't feel was appropriate to be sharing on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: such a public platform. And I was like looking online
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and I'm like trying to find what Lydia said that
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: was so harmful, And the clips on Matt Nabby's podcast
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: and the Jill Duggars podcasts are actually pretty innocuous, Like
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: they're pretty like Lydia was very i think gracious, where
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: she was just talking about how this was a really
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: traumatic thing. It was in the hands of Kim, nobody
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: could talk about it. That was really hard for her,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: you know, But she can't necessarily blame her parents for
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: that because obviously it was traumatizing. Like, Lydia has a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: right to say these things. But I did find a
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: old Reddit post from like four months ago or whatever
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that had a screenshot of the Matt Nabby's podcast where
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: it had a thumbnail that was Lydia saying, I watched
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: my brother die and this was the podcast that everybody
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: was referencing, and I go and look at it, and
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: they recently changed the thumbnail. Now the thumbnail says like
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: my family was torn apart or something. So my theory
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: is that maybe Lydia did actually go into extreme detail
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and maybe it upset Kim so much and then they
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: edited it out and like changed the thumbnail, because that
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: thumbnail is pretty crazy to say, like I watched my
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: brother die, Like that's.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: That's pretty graphicative.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm kind of one wondering maybe Lydia did
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: go into too much detail and maybe Kim was uncomfortable
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: about some of the things that she had said. And
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: if that's the case, I can understand that. You know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Kim says in this episode this week that Lydia went
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: into detail about it and she can't listen to that,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like it's too traumatizing, because Kim obviously already has her
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: own play by pay moments where she's repeating it in
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: her mind every single fucking day of her life and
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: it's too painful for her. So like, I can understand that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I do think you're right. There's two things here that
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: are true. Lydia has a right to talk about her
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: experience because Lydia has said on these podcasts that she
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: was only four, but she remembers everything. She remembers the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: details she remembers seeing Joshua's body. And I saw some
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: people on Reddit say that Lydia did go into a
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: lot of detail about it, But I can't find the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: clips where Lydia went into detail, so I'm thinking it
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: got edited. I don't know if somebody has like a
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: saved clip that you can send us so we can
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: watch it, because I'm really curious what Kim was so
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: upset about. My vibe is Kim was triggered. I think
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Kim was triggered to have Lydia express her emotions about it.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I think Kim is triggered because, like she says in
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: this episode, she can't bear the fact that she hurt
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: all of her children.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Also, like it's just the whole thing is terrible. It's
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: already terrible to lose a child in this way, but
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: it's terrible even more to know that you weren't being
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: a good parent because you were traumatized, and you couldn't
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: be there for your other kids because you were grieving
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: the worst loss a parent can have.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Well, what was really poignant to me was during therapy,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and I know we're about to get there.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, we'll get there right now. Okay, yeah, all right, well, yeah,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Kim goes to therapy.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Kim goes to therapy with the therapists that tried to
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: therapize Veronica, Peters and Micah, which not successful. But wow,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Kim is there. What she says is and I thought
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: this was so so again poignant, She says, I know
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: what I went through when this happened, and the hell
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that I was in and the months and months that
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I had to walk through where I was completely emotionally
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and physically debilitated. To think that my kids went through
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: that too and I wasn't able to help them shatters me. Yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: it never maybe occurred to her that her kids were
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: having the same experience on the same level as her,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: because she was so myopic in her trauma response. Ye,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: she didn't have the bandwidth to pick up on what
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: was going on with the kids and certainly not to
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: help them. So here she is, at fifty six or
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: whatever however old, she is realizing, Oh my god, the
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: worst thing that ever happened to me that broke me
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: as a p also happened to my kids, and it
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: was because of me, because I was the one behind
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: the wheel. That is what she's dealing with. Yes, because
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: she knows she's a broken person. Of course she's acknowledging
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: in these episodes. We don't know how to talk. There's
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: something wrong with us fundamentally, and then to make the
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: connection that, oh, I'm the one who made my kids
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: this way, and what if they are to this day
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: still struggling with this, like Lydia is because she's not
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: on podcasts, yeah, talking about her pain around it and
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: that pain touches my pain, yes, activates my pain. Now
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: it's alive again, and I don't know what to fucking
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: do with it exactly.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: And like Kim said last week, what really hurt her
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the most was that Lydia felt more comfortable going on
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: these public platforms talking about such a painful, traumatic thing
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: instead of talking to Kim.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Well, Kim would not have been able to hear it
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the course, and Lydia knows that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: And I think Kim knows that too, Like she knows
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: she hasn't been able to talk about this for seventeen years,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: and so like the whole thing is just painful, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: like I'm of two minds here, Like, again, Lydia is
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: allowed to talk about her experience, but Kim. You know,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: it's it's unfair for Kim to have put maybe a
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: spoken or unspoken expectation on all of her kids to
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: just not talk about this because it was too painful.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Because Lydia says on these podcasts that nobody was allowed
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: to talk about it in front of Kim that if
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: they ever talked about it and Kim like entered the
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: room or whatever, everybody had to kind of stop talking
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: about it. And I don't even think that that was
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: like a malicious thing or like that Kim got mad
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: at them for it. It was just so painful that
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: the family had this understanding and this expectation to just
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: not bring it up in front of Kim because she
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: would be devastated or she would have a tromper response
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So like it's unfair that that was put
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: on the kids. Yes, that they couldn't express their feelings
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: around this death because everybody experienced the death. It's unfair
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: about that, But I don't even think it was put
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: on them in a way that was like like mean
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: or malicious or whatever. I think Kim was just deeply traumatized.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: And I think the other thing is that the older
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: kids understand that at a better level than Lydia still does.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think Lydia could have understood it at four
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: years old. I don't think she really understands it now
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: as an adult. The older kids get it, and I
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: think they've always got it of like mom did this
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: and it was an accident, and she feels so much
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: guilt and shame, like we're just gonna deal with it individually,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: and like that works for some people, Like I get
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: that as an older sibling, Like there are some things
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: that I just like don't bring up to my parents
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: because I know it would be hurtful for them. And
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that in like a bad way. I'm like,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I'll just deal with it on my own because I
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: know it would hurt them, and I have that understanding.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I think Lydia doesn't really get that. And I think
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: maybe that's like the root of this is that like
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Lydia went and talked about it on a public on
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: two public podcasts, and so then you have like all
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: these clips like circling around, and so of course, like
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Kim is going to see that and it is going
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: to be hurt by that. And I'm like, did you
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: call your mom and tell her that you're going to
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: talk about this?
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: She might have. Maybe that's how Kim knows that the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: podcast happened. Maybe, But also I have respect for Lydia
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: for being the disruptor, sure, and then going like, I'm
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: going to talk about it, right, y'all can stay in
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: your secret places and do your dysfunctional, tomato faced things,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to actually talk about it, and maybe
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: through my talking about it, I will help somebody else
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: get through it or try to find a way to
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: process this kind of thing in a more healthy and
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: productive way.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing too.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like you need a Lydia, Like because Lydia
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: said it, Kim reacted to it. Now, Kim's at therapy.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to have a conversation about it, and
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: then the family needs to have this conversation. So at
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the the end of the day, it is actually a
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: good thing that Lydia did it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: And I agree with that, and I think it was
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: actually really cool that we ended the episode with Kim
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: going to therapy for that reason, and she tells a
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: therapist that, like I want to be able to talk
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: about this. I can't verbalize it right now, and I'm
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: having a hard time. And the therapist was pretty cool
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: because she does confront Kim about it, like being like, well,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Lydia's putting you on blast because she's basically saying like,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: she needs this from you, and has she asked you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: or told you what she needs from you? And Kim's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: like no, And the therapist is like, well, have you asked
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: her what she needs? And Kim's like no. And so
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: obviously that's the other issue here is that you know,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Kim couldn't have even been like, hey, hmm, do you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: need to talk about this? Like Kim was just busy
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: dealing with it on her own. And I get that.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: I understand why she was dealing with Beatrice.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: It's all fucked up, and that's all it is.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: It's so fucked up.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: It's all fucked up. Everybody fucked up.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: And she talks about being pregnant with Amber.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't know that she was pregnant at
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the time of Joshua's death, which is fucking insane. And
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: so then Joshua dies and then she has to give
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: birth to Amber a couple months later, and she says
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: that she thought it would get better after the birth
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: of Amber, but like she was so heavy in her
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: grief that she couldn't even like bond with Amber. She
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: couldn't sing to her, she couldn't even look her in
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: the eye. I was so sad to hear that.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I had a tearball when she said I couldn't sing
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to her.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: I was so sad, and like dealing with postpartum on
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: top of that, Like, it's just Kim's a traumatized person.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people and like, we
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: have been hard on Kim, but I know a lot
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: of people on Reddit are even worse about their opinions
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: about Kim heartless, but there are some people that are
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: being like, you know what, even though I don't like her,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I can still give her grace with this and I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: would never judge her for her reaction to something as
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: horrific as this. And it's awful. So anyway, Kim's hurting,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: she's in therapy. Everybody's sad. And so we have the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: preview for next week. We have Kim telling Lydia that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: now she's finally ready to talk about Joshua, which is
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: really cool. We have Ethan arriving with Teagan.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Why Teagan, you don't like this boy, you don't want
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: this boy, you don't end up with this boy? Why
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: are you still on camera here? Goblin ded Yes, okay.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: And she's always she's like wearing this like shirt with
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: her titties out and stuff, and I'm just like, what
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: are you doing if you're not willing to get back
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: with Ethan. But they arrive at the family farm because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: they're gonna sit down and talk to Zach and Lydia.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why does Teagan gotta be there for that?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Because I think Zach said some things about Teagan. Oh
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: my god, are we gonna bring it up? I believe
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: we are.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: And so when everybody sits down to confront Zach and Lydia, Mariah.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Gets up and I'll be in the kitchen.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of funny. I don't want the confrontation.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: She's like, peace out. And this is where Ethan tells
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Zach that he is overstepping, and Zach, of course, has
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: been the victim, and he's like, I guess like everybody
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: hates me in the family.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Right, I hate you, dude? Yeah, I don't like him
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: at all. I'm over it me too, And it kind
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: of gave me the vibration of I'm just like Olivia,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: like they've always got to have a villain in this family, yep,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: and so that's me now, I guess I'm like, no, actually,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you suck though, and what you did with Mariah was
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: bad and judgmental, and you're on then ice anyway, and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: these people don't know you.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: So slow your role, dude, slow your role. And I
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: don't know why everybody's got to compare themselves to Olivia
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: being like, but I'm not the villain. I plus family
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: just needs a villain. Veronica says this too.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Veronica was a villain, a bona fide villain.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: And now Zack, Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean Zach has aspects that I mean, he's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: a young kid. Same with Olivia, Like, there's a lot
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of things you're doing wrong, but you can you can
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: still do back, Veronica Peters, I don't believe it could
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: do better. Yeah, No, demons need to be exercised out
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: of people sometimes. Well, this was a good episode. It's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: something West are coming to the surface. The sunlight is
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: disinfecting stuff, and I'm here for it. We do now,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: is there anything else that we need to say to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: these beautiful raccoons before we get up on at a
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: here Beatrice.
• 1:04:24
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• 1:04:40
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