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Episode 229: SCREAMWALKERS interview! · WASD and Beyond

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  We are recording now. We are off the cuff, we are off
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  the chain. We are ready to go.
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  Welcome back everybody. My name is Nick and this is
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  Brody. We're your host this week on
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  WASD and beyond. I almost said it came from
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  screen box because this may as well have been and it came from
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  screen box episode. But this week we got Peter Bude
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  and Sean King. Guys, I'm gonna skip all of our
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  other shit that we usually do on the show, and I want you guys to
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  just take the floor, take over and tell everybody exactly who
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  you guys are and what you guys do.
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  Cool. I'm Sean King.
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  I was born. In Hey Sean, I'm a huge fan,
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  man. New York, It's.
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  Happy to be here, Pete. Go first.
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  You're the returning guest, so you go first.
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  Yeah, what's up Nick and Brody? I was here a few months ago
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  promoting Death Chasm, the Death Chasm comic book graphic novel
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  Death Chasm 1.5. We had a good time hanging out.
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  Refer back to that episode for my credentials.
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  Or if you're just like discovering it now.
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  Yeah, I'm like a micro budget filmmaker from Long Island, New
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  York. Now I'm a comic book writer and
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  Deathgasm is coming out soon to with the movie Deathgasm 2
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  coming in. Did I say coming out?
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  Enough coming out you did. One more time, though, was it
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  coming out? Yeah, coming in a.
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  Clean read, Let's. Go Pete had a busy year last
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  year, last couple of years, writing The Scream, the Scream
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  again. The deaf guy, I wrote Scream 7.
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  We're not supposed to talk about Scream 7 yet.
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  No, But, he wrote. I did.
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  Not that's a lie. He was steeped in the deaf chasm
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  thing, but he also helped create scream walkers, so which which
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  was a. I was the guy just rubbing his
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  shoulders. Rubbing the street walkers.
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  I was rubbing Sean's shoulders. You were giving him the massage
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  and the massage chair. Yeah, Sean would be like massage
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  boy. Yes, Sir.
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  Right here, right here, right? Here, Sean Sean's sitting in the
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  director's chair with the mask on.
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  Just pee in the back just massaging the and.
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  We were shooting that day. It was just, you know.
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  Put. The camera up there, you were
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  like shooting selfie style. I thought we were it was well it
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  was it was like 8 days of that before Pete realized there was
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  no one else there. So we weren't actually rolling.
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  I haven't actually watched the movie yet.
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  So Sean says I was great. Well, I, I wrote and directed
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  Scream walkers, you know, along with a bunch of other great
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  people in New York. But Pete and I go way back, way
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  back, creating things from high school, just after high school.
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  Pete, let's like do a quick history.
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  Yeah, this is like a Kim's Video T-shirt from the 90s.
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  And that's how far Sean and I go back.
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  This is a New York, NY, New York City video store.
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  That's how far Sean and I have been, how long we've been
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  working together since like the late 90s.
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  It's it's got to be 30 years. No, no, it was, it was.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 28 years, almost 28 years, 28 years
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  later, it was, it was, it was 1997.
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  Well, Pete, since like we both used the, the TV production
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  class in our high school, even after we graduated, they still
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  let us come back. It was really strange and it's
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  completely illegal now, but they let us come back.
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  You know, we were 20 years old. There's a Pete worked there.
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  So it was fine. But I would, I would shoot
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  movies on VHS tape, videotape on the weekends or whatever.
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  And then we'd I'd come in and Monday and Tuesday and I'd edit,
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  edit the movies together. But this was like VHS deck to
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  deck like with the wheels and the punching of the thing.
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  I. Don't know if you guys are old
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  enough to remember. Remember those days?
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  VHS. Yeah, yeah, deck to deck.
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  Like I never shot. Anything on VHS?
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  Reel to reel editing, they were like cutting like we shot it on
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  Vista, Vista Vision. Vista Vision and then dumped it
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  down to VHS and then reel to reel kind of VCR VCR.
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  But I was there watching Pete's things that he was editing while
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  he was working. Really he wasn't really working.
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  He was editing his own things. Porn very good Pete but and then
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  I was editing the movies that I was shooting and then we were
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  all just you know, we'd look over it, you know, each each
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  editing Bay and be like, oh, that's hilarious.
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  Hey, cool man. And I, I became a big fan of
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  Pete's. Pete was a great editor and
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  writer. No, no, he, he made a lot of
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  short films, you know, comedies and things.
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  And I was doing like fun. I was doing horror comedy or
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  something like comedies with some other people in the
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  neighborhood and then. People were telling us to team
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  up and then we. Did they were.
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  Yeah. They were like, why don't you?
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  Yeah. And then there was an
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  opportunity for me to come and help you in 1997 on your comedy
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  show called Slacker TV. And you guys probably went
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  through this whole history on the other show with.
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  No, we didn't go that far back. Yeah, we didn't go that.
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  Far back, didn't we, I? Don't know how much of this is
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  necessary, but let's just go for it.
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  Kind of. I mean, we have to fill, we have
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  to fill like 50 minutes, right? So.
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  That's, yeah, about 5055, yeah. All right, so, so I jumped on
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  his thing and then he helped me with my things.
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  And then he's being humble, man. He's being humble.
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  Like Sean was a legend. I was like a sketch comedy guy
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  and he was like a he was making movies.
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  He was making film on film. Got.
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  It not Vista Vision, but he was shooting, he was shooting on 8mm
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  sixteen. Yeah, we, yeah, we were shooting
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  at his own camera. Yeah.
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  And, and then we would transfer them to to tape and then I would
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  come in and, and that's when he would be on tape.
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  Yeah, and I would be the guy working there.
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  Like dude, whoa, you're shooting on like 16.
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  Like where did? You find that?
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  He said. I found it in a garage sale, you
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  know, like, like that. Yeah.
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  And then I was shooting sketches on VHS.
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  Yeah, but I wanted to do more comedy with you.
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  And then that's when there was an opening on your on your
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  sketch show. And the game wasn't the other
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  name. We did one show and then and
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  then the one of the guys left and then Sean worked with us for
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  the next 30 years. So that's.
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  But it was sort of like it was, it was like a Mad TV type of
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  thing. It was a sketch show, but we
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  could also be versions of ourselves on this show.
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  So we created kind of these like hyper ridiculous versions of
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  ourselves and then and we were doing sketches, but then people
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  were creating. Movies we, we were creating
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  yeah, yeah, just like mad magazines, yeah, just.
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  Yeah, Mad magazine would spoof like a movie in in the pages, we
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  would do the same thing. We would do like, yeah, my
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  favorite was like, we still. We did.
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  We did a whole Boogie Nights episode, but it was like, yeah.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  Instead, instead of porn, it was like cookies, cookie, cookie
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  baking cookies in the neighborhood and like selling
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  cookies or something. It was like a syndicate.
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  Yeah. And then it gets real dark in
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  the end, you know, it gets real freaking dark.
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  Like PT Anderson dark. Yeah.
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  But. But we, we'd love to tell the
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  stories because Pete was, Pete was a writer.
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  And I was trying to write. I'm not a writer, but I always
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  tried to. But we, we'd love to tell the
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  story. So then we started to create
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  like a three act thing in this sketch show, also putting
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  sketches in between like the the three act breaks and then we
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  call it, but I called it a skitcom, you know, and then
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  somebody else called it A at the sketch, which is terrible.
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  You said, you said actually at one point, because like it's
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  always sunny in Philadelphia. If if you guys can't, yeah,
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  yeah, you can't. If you guys can't envision what
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  we were doing, we were doing Sean, Sean, like he was saying
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  like, oh, these guys like we're, we're like it's always sunny in
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  Philadelphia, but at Long Island and we were doing that.
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  I remember I made you watch that.
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  Like, yeah, we were doing that seven years before that that,
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  yeah, before that first season. So we were kind of creating that
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  with the four guys. But we hope we build a whole,
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  you know, we started to build a whole community of not only
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  local actors, local comedians, but local musicians, local
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  skateboarders, local bands would be on the show.
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  It'd be like the young ones. I don't know if you guys.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Figuring like the young ones, it was pretty much the young ones,
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  yeah, with a couple of sketches in there.
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  And Long Island was like, there was something happening with
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  like the music, like punk music and like you.
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  Know hardcore and all that. Yeah, in like the, you know, the
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  two like 2000 era, like the Millennium era, there was like a
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  lot of great bands coming out, Taking Back Sunday and bands
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  like that. So we would go to those punk
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  shows and we would shoot like our hosted segments from there.
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  Oh, that's cool. And then we would air these
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  things on public access, and I'm not going to.
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  Expect it wasn't. Yeah, there wasn't.
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  Much Wayne's World and you'll know what the fuck public.
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  Access It wasn't TikTok back then so.
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  No, no, it wasn't YouTube. No, you were doing youtuby
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  things before YouTube. Like we ended the like a year
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  before YouTube came out, right? Yeah, we ended in 2004.
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  YouTube came out 2005. Like on public access, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We would have to like go to the
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  stations all over the place and mail in tapes and get there
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  early in the morning because it was like first come first serve
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  time slots. And we wanted like the 11:00 PM
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  like like Thursday night Stoner, you know, like, Oh yeah.
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  So we would have to hold like that and we would get emails and
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  people would see us and tell you.
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  Slacker, Slacker Slack. So we knew what times like we
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  knew what worked as far as like the feedback, like who was
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  watching the what time the most, so.
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  Oh dude, I remember public access, man.
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  I think last time Pete was on the show we were talking about
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  the jerk beast. Remember that that.
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  Like, Oh yeah, yeah, I looked that up.
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  Yeah, dude, that shit was wild. I remember seeing that one time
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  in Michigan, I went, you can do that on TV and like my cousin
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  was like, yes, no. You can do anything on TV.
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  Yeah, that's. Well, we got censored too.
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  And it's like public access there is there for the public.
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  Yes. Like, like your cable station is
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  not supposed to censor it now. It was, but it's crazy.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's it's weird because I grew up in a few years.
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  I lived in Manhattan and the Manhattan cable access was
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  bonkers. Like, I don't know if it was
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  like, it was like porn comedy shows, like hardcore porn comedy
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  on there and stuff. And if you went from like
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  Channel 2 to 4, like you went from like freaking CBS to NBC or
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  something, like you're watching Cheers.
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  Then you switched to like, Cosby.
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  Channel 3 was like, you know, it was like the Robin Byrd Show was
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  like this hardcore. Yeah, at mix actually crazy at
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  11:00 or midnight it would switch.
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  To just switch, that's fucking crazy.
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  Yeah, there would be ads. There would be like infomercials
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  for like like sex stuff. Anything.
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  Anything. It's crazy there, Yeah.
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  That's New York City. That's Long Island.
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  Like I, I think, I think people like our age, maybe maybe like a
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  little younger have their kind of, you know, their cable access
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  stories, you know, they. We have the fuzzies, yeah.
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  OK, yeah, so I was gonna say and there was.
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  This mainly fuzzy. There was a couple of there was
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  a couple of shows from New York that got like on MTV, like
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  Squirt TV. Pete, what was it?
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  Yeah, Jake Vogel Nest. Yeah.
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  And Andy Milonakis was another one.
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  I think. Like they they kind of came.
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  They started in cable access, and then the right person at the
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  right time saw it and then brought them in.
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  But that never happened to us. But we did try to like, shop it
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  around. Like we just knocked on doors.
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  And we like, you know, we kind of just made cold calls all the
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  time. We had a bunch of awkward
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  meetings and they were like, what do you want to do?
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  And we were like, we want to do this.
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  And it was like our horrible sketches on VHS tape, you know?
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  You tried to get on MTV so, so hard, Yeah.
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  It was like these times, if it wasn't that time, like it, like,
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  you know, if it didn't happen, then it was not going to happen.
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  So we just continued to do it until 2004.
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  And then we started another thing that was similar to that,
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  similar in format, but we were monsters.
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  We were, we wanted to do, we wanted to do like a more of a
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  traditional sitcom thing, the stuff that we grew up with from
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  like the 60s and the 70s, like the reruns that we grew up
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  watching. It was even.
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  Though we were dressed up as monsters, we were the guligans.
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  It was like a refined version of our of our public access show.
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  Yeah, it was essentially the same thing.
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  It was the Guligans. It wasn't Slack Pack, it was the
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  Guligans. Slack pack was really punk rock.
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  It was like whatever whatever we felt like putting on, we put on.
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  Whereas like Mike Kostic, who is our partner in the Guligans and
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  he Co created the Guligans with Sean, he kind of like made it or
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  when he wrote he wrote it. So he made it really
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  regimentedly formatted, kind of like inspired by like our best
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  episodes of the Slack Pack. Yeah, if it if it became kind of
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  tidy and kind of, you know, uniformed, it's because of Mike,
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  you know, if if it if it, it felt like we were going to work.
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  You have to get on your costume. You had to put on.
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  We made it a job for like 10 years.
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  It was like a process. Yeah.
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  The other like the show before that, it was like, you know, we
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  all had shitty jobs and stuff and we were just like, hey,
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  tomorrow, what do you know, tomorrow you want to like come
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  over, we're going to shoot a sketch.
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  Cool. Like, you know, like dream about
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  shit like that. But you know, like, but then the
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  Guligans was like, all right, people started to get having
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  careers. That was it was growing.
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  Up it was growing up a little bit it it totally like that's a
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  good, good comparison. Cause like slack pack slacker TV
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  stuff was like being in a band, but we didn't play.
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  None of us played music. We were just like, you know,
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  Sean was Sean was the bass player, Mike was the lead
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  singer. Like I was the drummer and Hertz
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  was like, you know, the keyboardist.
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  But like, we all had our roles, but it's just kind of like we
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  would we got on stage and this we just did whatever.
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  Wait, I'm the bass player? Yeah, you're like, you're Paul
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  McCartney. Paul McCartney.
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  Feel like you did that on purpose.
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  Yeah, you're the drummer, but I'm the bassist.
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  We're the rhythm. Who's the first one you
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  replaced? We're the rhythm.
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  We're the We're the rhythm section, baby.
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  Very nice beat. But the Guligans was like the
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  dream come true for so much so many of us.
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  Mike Kasich, our our other partner, Yeah, he, he was, you
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  know, a big time fan of like Dick Van Dyke show and the
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  monsters and the monkeys. Like we all love that stuff.
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  The stuff that we would watch on Nick at night.
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  I don't know if anybody remembers that.
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  Just reruns and stuff, reruns from like the shit our parents
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  would watch. And so it was like, we can do
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  that. We can make our own like cheesy
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  monster show, like we can make our own monsters or Pee Wee's
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  Playhouse. I mean, it's going to look
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  horrible. Like we're going to be sweating
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  and the makeup's going to be coming off and, you know, it's
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  and the sounds going to be bad. But but then we were like, well,
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  that's kind of like maybe that's the identity of the show is
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  that. Yeah, yeah.
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  Like anytime you can see the seams or, or the flaws or
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  something like we're like, we don't have enough to control all
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  of that. So let's kind of make it appear
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  like we are like 4 kind of depressed guys sweating their
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  asses off struggling to to deliver this show.
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  And then maybe that'll be kind of like enough, you know, enough
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  give us enough grace to kind of like, you know, get away with
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  this. So, so like, like the savvy
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  viewers got that. And then others were just like,
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  what the hell is this low budget shit?
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  Like the make up school, like Mike would just sweat
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  constantly. You'd see just green.
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  Paint. Yeah, you have to find mine.
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  So if you so if you watch Gulagans, go go watch the
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  Gulagans all on YouTube. It's.
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  Spooky's season. That's it's perfect for how it
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  was like. It was like the monster mash,
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  the TV show. It's perfect for Halloween and
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  and Mike would just sweat. So like, like we just stopped
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  applying the green makeup because it just kind of it
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  dripped off his face constantly. And it's like on your shirt ruin
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  the cops. But it was just like, we got to
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  go. We got to keep doing this.
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  It was 100 and you know, 18° in the studio and.
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  But it was awesome, man. It was, it was so much fun.
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  For like 10 years I felt like I was in KISS, I was the drummer,
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  I was Peter. Chris, I was the drummer again.
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  Yeah, the No, you're the bassist.
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  And Sean was the bassist. You were oh, you're, you're
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  what's his name? You were the demon, so.
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  Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons, thank you.
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  There you go. See.
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  Yeah, but we have the time of our live.
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  We have the time of our lives doing that show and then we did
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  that for 10 years. We did right.
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  We did that for 10 years, 10 years.
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  We did the first one for seven years.
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  We did that for 10 years. And then like we toured all over
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  the place. We did horror conventions.
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  We did live live events and screenings and things.
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  We tried to do the live act a few times, but again it was.
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  High as we went, as high as Canada, as low as Texas,
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  Florida. Yeah.
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  Florida is far West is Burbank, Yeah, and as Far East as Boston,
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  so. Yeah, yeah, for, for like
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  everywhere. Yeah.
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  For at least nine of those years, we were just bouncing
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  around all over the place. Just.
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  Popping in the van with your friends.
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  Yeah. That's the best places where the
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  Midwest. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, right. They were hounded and.
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  Treated us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh my God. Cincinnati, Indianapolis treated
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  us great. That's right.
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  Yeah. No, we had a, we had a great.
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  Time was left out. Back then, nobody was treated
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  nice in Detroit. Are you kidding me?
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  That's very true. We're very different now.
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  Maybe we avoided it, I don't know.
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  Damn. Yeah, but but like we really
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  learned what it takes to make something, making the guligans
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  like we, we, we went through like the best of it and the
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  absolute worst of it, just with our personal stuff to, you know,
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  kind of just like we could have stopped so many times and we
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  just kept going for 10 years. Oh yeah, there was like
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  divorces. There was.
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  There was horrible shit going on, Yeah.
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  Like, and like there was like times where, yeah, somebody had
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  to come in that morning and they're like, well, I'm getting
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  a divorce, all right, where's the glue?
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  And, you know, just, you know, like it was literally like that,
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  like. We could laugh like cuz like
• 18:00
  this was, this was like 2013. So yeah, like, well, you know.
• 18:03
  There's like, wipe that from your mind and you're you're,
• 18:05
  you're a Frankenstein today. So you're.
• 18:06
  Gonna be a Frankenstein for the night.
• 18:08
  Frankenstein's not getting. A divorce tomorrow, Today.
• 18:10
  You're Frankenstein. Yeah.
• 18:12
  So it was a lot of that and shit.
• 18:14
  And and then we were like, well, 10 years, I kind of called it
• 18:18
  quits because it was just, I felt like we reached we, we
• 18:21
  completely stretched our resources so thin and I was
• 18:24
  exhausted. And, and it was kind of the same
• 18:27
  reason we can, we maybe Pete, did I stop doing the the Slack
• 18:30
  pack show too? And I did, yeah, it was me.
• 18:32
  All right. We could still be doing it if I
• 18:36
  didn't stop it though, So thank. We aren't.
• 18:38
  And then, so he had to get away from us.
• 18:40
  He moved to Minnesota. He's like, yeah, all right, you.
• 18:43
  You definitely can't work with me anymore.
• 18:46
  But it took a while. Like we did the podcast a few
• 18:48
  years later, the Pitch Movie podcast, which was great.
• 18:51
  And we, yeah, we met so many cool people doing the Guligans
• 18:54
  and then the podcast. Fenguli, you guys know Svenguli?
• 18:57
  Yes, I know Svenguli. Was on We had Svenguli on our
• 19:00
  podcast. That's fucking nuts.
• 19:02
  Dude that's like the peak. It is and actually peaks.
• 19:06
  Met Jason Lee Haddon doing the podcast.
• 19:08
  That's right. Exactly that.
• 19:09
  That's the first time you met him, right?
• 19:10
  Yeah. And awesome.
• 19:11
  That's. The first time, yeah, he was
• 19:12
  promoting guns at Kimbo. And then we, you know, we, we,
• 19:15
  we kept in touch from that. And then, yeah, got the Death
• 19:18
  Chasm gig from that meeting, so. Life is cool with all.
• 19:22
  Like you start like cool projects for yourself.
• 19:25
  Really. That's like why we started the
• 19:26
  podcast. That's what, when I started the
• 19:28
  band, I was like, I just want to write cool music back in the
• 19:31
  day. I want to do this for me.
• 19:32
  Like if people listen cool, like that's the idea.
• 19:34
  But at the end of the day, it's the shit I want to do.
• 19:37
  So like the podcast in what you guys do the same thing.
• 19:40
  It's like you, you, you throw the hook out and you're just
• 19:42
  hoping that like people get it and that the people who get it
• 19:47
  will become your friends too. And it's just like reeling
• 19:50
  people and slowly and slowly, dude, it's, it's cool, man.
• 19:53
  I, I love, I love this shit. The the what you just said, the
• 19:56
  people that get it. Yeah.
• 19:58
  Yeah, yeah, they become your lifelong friends because you're
• 20:01
  like, you understand what I'm doing if you see it.
• 20:04
  If you see it. But you know what that's like,
• 20:06
  Pete, you said it was like, it was like the band thing.
• 20:08
  It was like, it's like that. That's the punk attitude.
• 20:11
  Like nobody's going to give you an opportunity.
• 20:13
  You make it right. And then if you're a weirdo and
• 20:16
  like you only have a few friends that you bullshit about with
• 20:19
  music or movies, like like you, you always feel isolated.
• 20:23
  But then you then you're able to make a podcast or YouTube or
• 20:26
  whatever and or TikTok now and then boom, there are all the
• 20:30
  people are there. Like now you've met your people.
• 20:33
  Like before it was so hard to do it.
• 20:34
  We had to put it on cable access to find those people, you know?
• 20:38
  Yeah, Nick and I, I mean, this isn't my first podcast, right?
• 20:41
  I was on a different podcast and that's How I Met Nick and now
• 20:44
  I'm here. So it's.
• 20:46
  It is very funny how all of that that works out and you meet, I
• 20:50
  mean, we have a discord that we hang out in all the time and
• 20:52
  talk with people that are are similar and have similar
• 20:55
  interests. But it it yeah, that that kind
• 20:58
  of stuff is what makes it all worth it, right?
• 21:00
  Yeah. That's the hard work and the the
• 21:02
  days you're like, man, I don't want to do it.
• 21:05
  We're all from different locations right now.
• 21:07
  You know, I'm being held, held captive in a bunker.
• 21:11
  Sean. Sean survived a tornado.
• 21:14
  Look at his. Background so.
• 21:16
  We told you not to mention the bunker.
• 21:17
  We'll let you out when we're done.
• 21:19
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 21:20
  It's. Right downstairs, actually, in
• 21:22
  Minnesota. But no, that's actually, I'm
• 21:26
  actually behind Sean. It's right behind the same
• 21:30
  colored wall. Yeah, but.
• 21:32
  But that's how you find your people.
• 21:34
  And, and in high school, we were lucky, Pete and I were lucky
• 21:36
  enough to find each other in the, in the in the editing room
• 21:40
  of the one that we went back to and back and forth, back and
• 21:44
  back and back. It's.
• 21:45
  Funny, we didn't know each other all through high school.
• 21:47
  We didn't know each other all four years and.
• 21:48
  I knew who you were. But yeah, I mean, it was like
• 21:50
  the year that I graduated. It was the year at because my
• 21:53
  girlfriend knew you and Mike, I think my girlfriend back then.
• 21:58
  Yeah, I was scared of him because he had long red hair.
• 22:04
  Walking. Around he looked like a
• 22:05
  character. But I was racist, that's what.
• 22:07
  Jazz and confused he did. He's like walking all the days
• 22:10
  like his character from days and confused.
• 22:12
  He's like, no, I actually knew Sean because he would draw these
• 22:15
  elaborate monsters on the desk. That's cool on this.
• 22:19
  So I'd be like, Oh my God, he's like he's, he's drawing Satan on
• 22:23
  my desk. Like.
• 22:24
  Sean King, man, Don't mess with him.
• 22:28
  Put a weirdness on you, yeah. I kind of like Satan.
• 22:30
  It's like we're meant to be friends.
• 22:32
  Yeah, exactly. And then, and then, you know,
• 22:35
  years later, you're writing about Satan, Pete.
• 22:36
  So you're welcome. That's a good that's a good
• 22:40
  transition because Sean did Sean was so doing slacker TV was my
• 22:45
  our film school, but Sean was kind of like the professor and
• 22:48
  he was he's the one to introduce me to Evil dead.
• 22:50
  He's the one to introduce me to like Peter Jackson movies to
• 22:54
  like Argento, everything he'd be like, can we?
• 22:57
  I remember like in 99, he had me this dirty VHS tape.
• 23:00
  He's like, shut up, take this and watch it.
• 23:02
  And it was the Blair Witch Project before it came out.
• 23:05
  It was like because it was going around after like it it did the
• 23:08
  what it did. Sundance, it was.
• 23:10
  It was the Sunday. It was before anybody knew, like
• 23:13
  anybody who hadn't seen it didn't know about it at
• 23:15
  Sundance. That's awesome.
• 23:16
  It was like, that's your. Hand on that.
• 23:18
  Well, you mentioned like, you know, I was in high school, I
• 23:21
  was the guy who, you know, I didn't just introduce you to
• 23:24
  those movies, but I would I would bootleg movies like out of
• 23:29
  print, like hard to find, like John movies back then and like,
• 23:33
  you know, Dead Alive or whatever, like Army of Darkness,
• 23:35
  I remember. How did you go to this place?
• 23:36
  Do you find? Did you find all that stuff at
• 23:38
  this place? No, no, they were like no, back
• 23:40
  then. It was like the back of like
• 23:43
  Fangoria or film threat. There was tape trading.
• 23:47
  That's awesome like systems, right And you would like you
• 23:51
  would you would get an address and you'd send in like 1520
• 23:55
  bucks and you'd get a tape and then you would trade that with
• 23:58
  somebody else. You'd make a duplicate duplicate
• 24:00
  of it. But I I duped those movies and
• 24:03
  then sold them for like 10 bucks in hop hog and I.
• 24:07
  Was really sick. So so yeah, I just, we just had
• 24:09
  a bunch of friends who would trade these like Lucho Folchi
• 24:14
  movies and stuff, things that this is before DVD, things that
• 24:17
  didn't have a release really. And Blair Witch.
• 24:20
  Yeah, My friend Maris, he just gave me this blank.
• 24:22
  It was like, it was like the ring or something.
• 24:24
  It was a blank VHS tape. He's like, there was like a.
• 24:26
  Band-Aid on it. There's a Band-Aid on the label.
• 24:28
  It was. Was it?
• 24:29
  I just remember it being a black smile.
• 24:31
  It looked like he's. Like just A and he's just like,
• 24:34
  watch this. I'm like, what is it?
• 24:35
  He's like, I'm not going to tell you just like it.
• 24:38
  Did to me and then I got scared. I got scared.
• 24:42
  Watch, I was very scared. Like leaving my house the next
• 24:45
  morning in the dark. Like yeah, going to work.
• 24:47
  That's before. It's how the last.
• 24:49
  Girl comes out, Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 24:51
  It was. It was like when I saw the ring,
• 24:52
  I'm like, I know that feeling like shit.
• 24:55
  I've been here. Well, like, that's why I gave it
• 24:57
  to Pete immediately. I was like, watch this tape man.
• 24:59
  I didn't even watch it yet. Blair Witch did the same thing
• 25:03
  that like Cannibal Holocaust did where people thought the actual
• 25:05
  actors were like, thoughts, right?
• 25:08
  Yeah, exactly where Cannibal Holocaust though.
• 25:10
  Bit rougher production for the certain things involved, right?
• 25:14
  But my first like blank movie I got was sallow.
• 25:18
  Oh. Wow.
• 25:20
  My buddy was like yeah dude, check this out took.
• 25:22
  Uninitiated, just going in blind.
• 25:24
  Yeah, I didn't know. He was just like, yeah, it's
• 25:25
  really cool, dude. Cool 'cause I I was a little
• 25:28
  good. Movie of the year, man.
• 25:29
  I, I'd already seen like Gummo and like Evil Dead and Army
• 25:33
  Darkness and I was like, OK, yeah.
• 25:35
  Then I turned Sallow on and I was like, dude, what is your
• 25:37
  fucking issue with me? Like what?
• 25:40
  Like, like what did I do to you? Now I can watch it and go I I
• 25:46
  get it. But back then it's like 1213
• 25:50
  years old. You're like, yeah.
• 25:52
  If if you like dig deep, like there's always that dare movie,
• 25:54
  you know, and and I think for like for for us, for me, it was
• 25:58
  it was cannibal Holocaust or. And then he would put that on at
• 26:02
  parties. I did that with American Guinea
• 26:04
  pig. Yes.
• 26:06
  I, I didn't want people at my party.
• 26:08
  Once we had a big Halloween party and like this band came in
• 26:11
  and I hated these kids. I don't know why they got
• 26:13
  invited. And I was like, I want them out
• 26:15
  of my apartment. And I was like, I have fucked up
• 26:18
  horror movies upstairs. I can put it into the Xbox.
• 26:21
  So I grabbed a copy of American Guinea Pig from Unearthed Films,
• 26:25
  threw it in the they and I told him I was like, this is real.
• 26:28
  And they just pat and we're like, this is snuff.
• 26:30
  I'm like, yeah, it's snuff. And they all just one by one,
• 26:33
  we're just leaving. And then my buddy's like snuff.
• 26:35
  I'm like, no, it's not fucking snuff.
• 26:37
  You can't just get snuff. You jerk off like it.
• 26:40
  Works for Charlie Sheen. It was good enough for him.
• 26:42
  So he called the FBI. Yes, right.
• 26:46
  Remember that story? Yeah.
• 26:48
  He got a copy of that movie and. And like somebody gave it to
• 26:51
  him. I forgot somebody, a film threat
• 26:52
  I think, gave him a copy and he called the FBI and there was
• 26:54
  like an investigation. Of of Guinea pig, Yeah.
• 26:59
  Guinea pig, yeah. Was that the Japanese?
• 27:01
  Version was that Japanese 1I? OK, I think that one's way more
• 27:05
  fucked up. Yeah, they're pretty much the
• 27:07
  man. Yeah.
• 27:08
  And I worked at a crazy video store on Long Island in, in like
• 27:11
  1997 and they had like, this place was awesome. 112 video
• 27:15
  one, 12112 Video World. Yeah, it was kind of a Joe
• 27:17
  Lynch. I don't know, right?
• 27:18
  Yeah. Joe Lynch.
• 27:19
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:22
  But yeah, there was like a special section with all that
• 27:24
  stuff. There was like the traces of
• 27:25
  death things and. Oh, that's gnarly.
• 27:27
  And like the the bud, what with the bud guy literally shot
• 27:30
  himself and you know, those things like those, it was, it
• 27:34
  wasn't snuff, but it was like, you know.
• 27:36
  They saw faces of death at Walmart now.
• 27:39
  Yeah, I know. I I like the big box that I was
• 27:41
  walking through the aisle and it's just faces of death.
• 27:43
  And I went, I was like, Perry, do you?
• 27:45
  My wife, I was like, do you see that?
• 27:46
  She goes, so it's not cool anymore.
• 27:48
  I'm like, no, I guess not, yeah. It's like the mystique is gone,
• 27:53
  man. At Walmart.
• 27:54
  Yeah, but doesn't Walmart like, censor like like.
• 27:57
  CDs and shit. Yeah, what the hell man?
• 28:00
  They didn't release like Taylor Swift's like, you know, its
• 28:04
  first version of her like. Come on, Faces of Death,
• 28:06
  Taylor's version. Give it time, I'm sure it'll
• 28:10
  happen. They're remaking it, so they are
• 28:13
  remaking it. Which is odd to me, but to
• 28:17
  continue the story that leads into screen walkers, I'm this
• 28:20
  this this story is so fucking awesome.
• 28:22
  So that's why I don't. I hate interrupting this.
• 28:24
  This is so good. No, Yeah, yeah, it actually like
• 28:26
  it. It kind of all of our work kind
• 28:29
  of led to Sean creating this. Yeah, if you've been paying
• 28:32
  attention, there was some Nuggets, there was some bread
• 28:34
  crumbs. Dropped there is a through line
• 28:37
  there's. A there is a little bit yeah,
• 28:38
  yeah. So over the years, like Pete got
• 28:41
  involved in, in, in bigger things and writing.
• 28:44
  And then I got involved. Like I, I, my job was making
• 28:48
  like corporate and commercial films and stuff.
• 28:51
  Just an extension. Like I, if I couldn't make
• 28:53
  movies all the time, I'm like, I can, you know, I can still be a
• 28:55
  film maker, but make a living doing commercials or
• 28:59
  documentaries or whatever the hell.
• 29:01
  And, you know, once in a while I got the opportunity to make a
• 29:05
  short film or something. And it was, it was, it was
• 29:08
  always kind of a pursuit of like, all right, I'm, I'm going
• 29:12
  to put 10 or 15 grand into a short film and, and I have to
• 29:15
  make it look good. It's going to be a calling card.
• 29:17
  It's going to be a Vimeo staff pick.
• 29:19
  It's, it's got to look great. The actors have to be perfect.
• 29:23
  You know, we're going to shoot it in 4K and rent anamorphic
• 29:26
  lenses and stuff. And I started treating those
• 29:28
  movies like the corporate films and they got kind of sterilized
• 29:32
  and, and kind of not nearly as fun as the fun we were having
• 29:36
  Pete and I were having when we were just doing the Guligans or
• 29:40
  the Slack pack and our stupid movies that we made, you know,
• 29:44
  15 years ago. So it was, it was a discovery
• 29:51
  that was kind of made when I started learning about the the
• 29:56
  shot on video movies of the 80s, nineties, 2000s.
• 30:00
  There was this era. This is going to be a brief
• 30:02
  explanation of shot on videos. For those who don't know, after
• 30:07
  the drive in era, dot was dying down and video stores were
• 30:12
  popping up all over the place and they were in, you know,
• 30:14
  pretty much every small town all over the place, all over the
• 30:17
  world. Really independent film makers
• 30:21
  and entrepreneurial producers realized that, you know, they,
• 30:26
  if they don't have $1,000,000 to make a movie, but they have
• 30:29
  $100,000 to make a movie or 50,000, they couldn't afford big
• 30:34
  film cameras and film processing and big lights.
• 30:38
  But oh, there's a new camcorder at Sears that only costs $500 or
• 30:43
  1000 bucks and it looks pretty good.
• 30:46
  Or they know somebody at, you know, a, a, a news station and
• 30:50
  they can borrow the camera or college and they could borrow
• 30:52
  this, you know, this, this camera, this video camera, home
• 30:56
  video kind of, or professional video for the time.
• 30:59
  And they were able to make a movie that sat on the shelf next
• 31:05
  to like, you know, body heat or the thing or whatever, whatever
• 31:09
  movie was popular there. But it was shot on this video
• 31:13
  format. And, but if it had a cool enough
• 31:15
  cover and box and artwork on the cover, you know, those, those,
• 31:19
  those big boxes, those big ones were big on purpose because they
• 31:23
  had to be bigger than the, you know, the little slip cover
• 31:25
  from, you know, Halloween or whatever.
• 31:28
  It had to be bigger and, and bolder and shit.
• 31:31
  So they, they realized that they could probably get, you know, as
• 31:34
  many rentals for a little while as like Halloween too or
• 31:38
  something like that. And it worked for a while.
• 31:40
  And they and they, these producers just went out and they
• 31:42
  made these micro budget, low budget movies on home video,
• 31:47
  Super 8 film, whatever, whatever small gauge camera they had.
• 31:53
  And the few notable ones, the first few ones were boarding
• 31:58
  house in 1982. Boarding house.
• 32:00
  It's a wild one. It's on Blu-ray.
• 32:03
  On Blu-ray. Ron put it out.
• 32:06
  Sean put it out. Yeah, yeah, I, I, yeah.
• 32:08
  I loved it so much. My friend Frank Zabatel and I,
• 32:10
  we got the rights to it and we put it out.
• 32:12
  That's like the first shot on shot on the video movie.
• 32:16
  That's sweet. It's wild.
• 32:17
  It's crazy. Boarding house.
• 32:19
  Check that out. And then?
• 32:20
  It was. Side side note, it was Joey
• 32:21
  Ramon's favorite. Movie.
• 32:23
  It was Joey Ramon's favorite movie.
• 32:24
  That's right. Didn't he make Vincent Gallo
• 32:26
  watch it? Was that?
• 32:26
  Was that the story? He did, he did.
• 32:29
  We're we're friends with the the the the daughter of the film
• 32:33
  makers, so. Which is weird because yeah, I
• 32:35
  saw the movie and then and then I learned that Shanti was
• 32:38
  Shanti. Wintergate was it's like, Oh my
• 32:41
  God, her parents made that, our friend Shanti.
• 32:42
  And then there was a movie called Sledgehammer and then
• 32:47
  movie called Blood Cult from 1985.
• 32:49
  So it was 1980280385. And then there was Black Devil
• 32:53
  Doll from Hell, which is great. So these producers, they just
• 32:56
  made these things. They got them distributed into
• 32:58
  the video store, which back then was just as good as get to get
• 33:01
  into a drive in. And a whole subculture grew out
• 33:05
  of that. And thousands and thousands of
• 33:08
  these things lasted until about, you know, the early 2000s when
• 33:12
  the digital age, digital video came in.
• 33:14
  And and then they could sort of compete with like, you know, the
• 33:19
  network TV or low budget, low budget movies shot on film and
• 33:25
  video technology got better and better and then, you know,
• 33:28
  that's why everything sucks now, so.
• 33:31
  It's funny because like when you're a kid you like me.
• 33:33
  Personally I like. I would avoid cheesy like low
• 33:37
  budget shitty looking movies. As as a normal person would.
• 33:40
  As a kid, as a kid, you're like, no, I don't want to watch this,
• 33:43
  this looks horrible. But then as you get older and
• 33:46
  you, you kind of seen your, your share of horrible movies and bad
• 33:50
  movies, you appreciate the charm shot.
• 33:54
  So what happened was shot like Sean got involved with boarding
• 33:57
  house and releasing boarding house.
• 33:58
  So he had this whole era of shot on video like obsession.
• 34:03
  And he started hosting movie parties at his house where he
• 34:06
  would it would, we would spend 8 hours at least in the whole day
• 34:11
  and he would just show like there's like what, 10 of us
• 34:13
  there seeing who had survived watching these horrible movies.
• 34:17
  And that's awesome. Usually it was it was me and
• 34:19
  Jerry Horace and Bobby Heckman. You were a warrior, yeah.
• 34:23
  We were like there leaving at midnight or.
• 34:25
  Three in the. Morning.
• 34:26
  Yeah, we were survivors, but you would host these?
• 34:28
  You watched the whole things, Didn't you watch things all the
• 34:31
  way through? Did you watch things?
• 34:32
  I maybe, OK, you would remember if you watched things, yeah.
• 34:36
  And there was a bunch of stuff. There Yeah, yeah, so, so.
• 34:40
  And also, like you said, Pete, it's like, how many, how many,
• 34:42
  Like how many times are you gonna be ripped off by these
• 34:45
  like studio movies that just suck?
• 34:47
  But but but they have like, you know, a star in it and you're
• 34:49
  like, oh, this can't be bad. And it's fucking horrible.
• 34:52
  Like, it's like, I don't want to mention like as many superhero
• 34:56
  movies as I want to, but like, how many times you going to
• 34:59
  watch the same shit and then just want something different,
• 35:02
  you know? And there's thousands and
• 35:05
  thousands of these things. They're not all good.
• 35:07
  But the fact that somebody could make this and make it adequate
• 35:11
  enough that it gets on a video shelf, it gets on a video store,
• 35:16
  it gets in a video store or it gets on streaming now.
• 35:19
  And and they just there, it's a whole movie.
• 35:21
  It's a whole movie. And now it's like, yeah, you go
• 35:24
  to 2B or, or Fossum or something, or, and it's just
• 35:27
  like, Oh my God, I can't even, I, I'd never heard of any of
• 35:30
  these. And you're scrolling through
• 35:32
  the, the trash section or the horror section and it's like,
• 35:35
  forget it. And then you just wind up
• 35:36
  watching Friends again, you know?
• 35:38
  When you're when you're watching these movies, you can't help but
• 35:41
  thinking about the people that make the movies, especially if
• 35:44
  you have a film making background, you can't just help
• 35:47
  but think about. Oh, I could totally relate.
• 35:50
  I've been there. Or like which which, which one
• 35:53
  of these guys is me? You know, like which one, Which
• 35:56
  one of these guys is that version of me?
• 35:58
  And so I found it interesting because when movies like Troll
• 36:02
  two or The room, these horrible movies just become cult cults
• 36:07
  favorites. And they become cult favorites
• 36:09
  because the story behind making the movie is better than the
• 36:11
  actual movie. No one, no one actually likes
• 36:14
  these movies. They love the people that made
• 36:16
  them. That's true.
• 36:17
  And and this is a fairly new concept too.
• 36:20
  This is like, you know, 2000s, twenty 10s where the cult thing
• 36:24
  became, it's not just the, it's not the movie, it's the whole
• 36:28
  lore of the movie. It's people sharing clips of it
• 36:31
  online. You know, it's, it's a viral
• 36:34
  thing or whatever. But yeah, Troll 2 sat there for
• 36:37
  for, you know, 20 years and it was just, you know, collecting,
• 36:41
  you know, rightfully so. It's terrible.
• 36:43
  And then they and then they made a documentary about.
• 36:45
  It right, but but given a new context it like the room.
• 36:48
  It's like, wow, this is. This is pure.
• 36:50
  And then they made a Hollywood movie about it.
• 36:52
  Yeah, Yeah. So.
• 36:54
  It's, you know, it, it's weird and, and usually like for
• 36:58
  somebody to it takes a special type of person to pick that
• 37:01
  camera up, gather a bunch of people together and make
• 37:04
  something, you know, Yeah. And, and, and to stand out, like
• 37:07
  I said from before, like to make it stand out and make it
• 37:10
  memorable. Like they, they, they, they like
• 37:12
  went there, they, they went to weird places with these things
• 37:16
  just to kind of make a statement.
• 37:18
  And then they kind of rise above like the studio stuff, you know?
• 37:21
  And that's what makes them so fun, because they're daring,
• 37:24
  they're transgressive. They're they're, they're just,
• 37:27
  they're doing things that no other movie would dare do
• 37:29
  because there are no rules. When you're doing an indie micro
• 37:32
  budget movie with, with such low stakes, there are 0 rules.
• 37:37
  You don't. Have that back to being punk
• 37:39
  though. That goes back.
• 37:40
  To being hardcore and punk. You just fuck you.
• 37:43
  I'm going to do it my way. Yeah.
• 37:45
  If you don't like it, somebody will.
• 37:46
  I don't care. Yeah, there's these, there's
• 37:48
  these guys, the Polonia brothers, one of them still
• 37:52
  making, one of them passed away years ago.
• 37:53
  But they're so prolific. They've made hundreds of these
• 37:56
  things. And if you look at them, they're
• 37:58
  just, they, they look like Ned Flanders, you know?
• 38:00
  Then they're, they're just like I met.
• 38:02
  They're so like John Paloney is so nice and Pennsylvania, I
• 38:09
  think Mark Paloney is alive. Yeah.
• 38:12
  But like that they are, they are truly punk, you know, but they
• 38:17
  don't have the costume. They don't have tattoos and you
• 38:19
  know the but but they are as punk as it gets.
• 38:23
  You know, there is renegade as it gets.
• 38:24
  There is DIY as it gets. And and like that's what that's
• 38:29
  what the real attitude is. It's not, it's not anything
• 38:32
  about a statement. It's it's just about the
• 38:34
  attitude of being able to just say I'm gonna go do this.
• 38:38
  Yeah, that's it. Yeah, usually, usually it takes
• 38:41
  1 motivated person, you know, like Shawna was that guy who was
• 38:46
  like, this is what I'm into now let's do this.
• 38:49
  It's he's kind of like, he was like, it's like the bow finger.
• 38:52
  Like we always use bow finger as a reference.
• 38:54
  Like you just need that one guy. You just need that one bow
• 38:57
  finger to say like. You need the blind leader, yeah.
• 39:00
  To just like, OK, I'm going to assemble this ragtag crew,
• 39:04
  right? And then we're going to go all
• 39:06
  the way. And even if it's even if this
• 39:09
  ragtag crew is the only one ones that love this movie, We we made
• 39:13
  a thing. Yeah, we just always like we
• 39:15
  made a thing. We made a thing and and and at
• 39:17
  the very least, you can get together once a year and watch
• 39:20
  it and laugh your asses off and, you know, talk about the stories
• 39:23
  making it. Yeah.
• 39:24
  And and talk about another punk, Will Pentarich, a good friend of
• 39:28
  ours and our partner on Scream Walkers.
• 39:32
  Just and our our our pitch movie.
• 39:34
  Podcast, sorry, our other third pitch movie podcast host, that's
• 39:39
  right, Will did these fantastic theatrical, horror theatrical
• 39:47
  experiences. What are they called, Pete?
• 39:49
  I don't know what he called it, but they were haunted houses.
• 39:51
  Yeah, just haunted houses, whatever it was, if it was a.
• 39:54
  Haunted train you'd always it was a it was Peter.
• 39:56
  It's a haunted attraction Peter, it's a haunted experience.
• 39:59
  It's always he's, he comes from marketing, so it's always
• 40:03
  remarketed into. Oh, it's an activation.
• 40:05
  Yeah, they call them activations.
• 40:07
  So they were calling him in in San Diego and like, well, this
• 40:10
  is the alien activation. I went.
• 40:12
  It's like the walkthrough. I don't know what this.
• 40:14
  Is Yeah, I haven't heard that one.
• 40:15
  Yeah. I I think you have to tell Will.
• 40:17
  At some point he was doing these like these kind of extreme
• 40:21
  interactive experiences, but he's like, come on down, like
• 40:25
  check out my haunted house when we get there.
• 40:27
  And it's like. I don't want to be touched.
• 40:28
  He's like when they would, like, slap you.
• 40:31
  Oh, we got in there. Yeah.
• 40:32
  Some guy lifted me up and slammed me against the wall.
• 40:34
  You heard of you and hurt my friend.
• 40:35
  He twisted my finger back. But I know Will was like, hey,
• 40:39
  don't you like, you know, go hard on these guys?
• 40:41
  They were shoving like tampons in our mash.
• 40:43
  Living like fake tampons. In our it was like this kind of
• 40:46
  post apocalyptic thing. So Will was always really doing
• 40:49
  these daring kind of like hardcore haunted, haunted
• 40:53
  attractions or whatever. I wanted you to feel like you're
• 40:56
  in a horror movie. Right.
• 40:57
  Yeah. Like he'd like, yeah, he would
• 40:59
  like, do fake kidnappings and stuff and, you know.
• 41:01
  Put people. I did that.
• 41:03
  I did that. It was horrible.
• 41:04
  I did that in the city. Like one time he took like he
• 41:06
  took these contestants to contestants, these participants
• 41:09
  or whatever. He would pay like 200 bucks,
• 41:11
  like, for, for a whole night like thing, you know, and he
• 41:14
  would take them to a hotel room and he would tie them up and put
• 41:16
  like octopuses on their faces and shit.
• 41:19
  So. But also, but like, but also.
• 41:23
  I love it, Yeah. $200 is cheap for that kind of experience.
• 41:26
  Come on. Yeah, just come to my house on a
• 41:30
  Saturday night. Yeah, but, but no, but, but and
• 41:33
  he he developed like fans like, you know, doing this.
• 41:36
  So he he could develop the following and fans and stuff,
• 41:39
  but he would also do kind of like more family oriented things
• 41:43
  like trails and stuff that were cute and the one he did in
• 41:47
  20/21/2021 2020 20 I don't know what you know, it was all just
• 41:53
  the like a lump of whatever 2020 and 2021 like.
• 41:57
  The pandemic era. Yeah, whichever one it was,
• 42:00
  whether it must have been 2020. One, it's all one year.
• 42:02
  The last five years is all. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:06
  It's a, it's a lump of clay that we haven't figured out what to
• 42:09
  do with yet. So, yeah, yeah.
• 42:13
  So. So this one he did was called
• 42:15
  Dark Knight Halloween World, and he wanted to have these
• 42:18
  characters. He wanted to inhabit it with
• 42:20
  characters that were familiar horror characters, but not
• 42:24
  exactly kind of Jason or Freddy or Pinhead or something, you
• 42:28
  know? Some like alt world like alt
• 42:31
  dimension. Where Yeah, yeah, his his kind
• 42:34
  of concept was like, this is this is like, I don't know if
• 42:37
  anybody's watching Peacemaker now, but it's kind of like,
• 42:39
  yeah, it's the same world, but things are different.
• 42:42
  Like, you know, like things are just called like something
• 42:45
  slightly different. They're spelled differently.
• 42:47
  So one of the characters he made, he didn't want to use
• 42:50
  Ghostface was from Scream, so he created the copycat killer,
• 42:54
  right. He called the copycat killer and
• 42:57
  this character in his in his haunted attraction was from a
• 43:00
  movie called Scream Walkers. And so this is the second
• 43:06
  version of the mask. The the first version was the
• 43:08
  one he used, but then he created this one for like the next year,
• 43:11
  2022, I think. And yeah, I mean, clearly it's
• 43:16
  inspired by duh. I'm not going to say it.
• 43:19
  I don't think I'm allowed to say it.
• 43:21
  Actually, Freddy Krueger, yeah. Yeah, that guy.
• 43:24
  So, but, but I just saw this mask and I was like, that's
• 43:29
  really cool and kind of scary. If you see this in like if
• 43:33
  you're looking into the darkness and you just see this, that
• 43:35
  could be kind of scary, you know?
• 43:36
  Yeah, that would piss me off. I don't know why you want to.
• 43:39
  Punch it. You want to punch this?
• 43:40
  Like I would be more. Mad.
• 43:42
  He's one of those like, you know, like.
• 43:44
  Scared. Scared.
• 43:45
  I'm mad, yeah. Yeah, so, so like, so I was
• 43:51
  like, let's do like a like a cool shot on video kind of promo
• 43:55
  for the for the haunted for haunted trail.
• 43:58
  And we're like, this will be like the the antagonist in in
• 44:01
  the commercial, you know, like this will be chasing somebody in
• 44:03
  the darkness and that's cool. And then I I think they didn't
• 44:08
  do it for the next year after that, but I was like, well,
• 44:11
  let's, you know, let's not do the do the the promo.
• 44:15
  Let's just make a movie with it, you know, and I I don't know the
• 44:20
  the relationship that the other producer of the haunted trail
• 44:24
  with Will, his partner, Marty Araminsky.
• 44:27
  He had a relationship with somebody at fun world, a company
• 44:31
  called fun world. And fun world is the company
• 44:34
  that makes and owns the the Ghostface mask from screen.
• 44:39
  OK, and that and that company is on Long Island, not far from
• 44:43
  where Will and I lived. So it was always like, man, are
• 44:48
  they gonna come at us? If they see us doing this, like
• 44:52
  Marty, are they gonna be cool with this?
• 44:54
  Marty's like, I'll make a call. I don't know.
• 44:56
  He didn't make the call or anything.
• 44:58
  So we were like, you know what, What if we just made this thing
• 45:01
  and if they come at us, like maybe we could turn it into a
• 45:04
  news thing or something, you know, maybe we can, you know,
• 45:07
  marketing. Yeah, exactly.
• 45:09
  So. So.
• 45:09
  It's how we'll think. That's how we'll think.
• 45:10
  It's guerrilla marketing. It was like, let's get into some
• 45:13
  like, you know, trouble and, and do this thing.
• 45:15
  And if it does, like if it does get noticed by them, cool.
• 45:18
  And if it doesn't, we'll just continue on doing it.
• 45:23
  So the next year, 2023, we we made the movie in the fall of
• 45:29
  2023 and it was a great experience.
• 45:33
  Pete came along for a bunch of the days.
• 45:35
  He was an executive producer. He was boom operator, background
• 45:39
  actor. I was in the suit going move
• 45:42
  that, take that, pick that up. Did you have somebody rubbing
• 45:47
  your shoulders for this? So yeah, I mean, it was.
• 45:50
  It was. Just I was an executive.
• 45:52
  But but, but yeah, he was an executive.
• 45:55
  But the decision, the decision like the the one way that I
• 45:59
  wanted to make it was not doing it the corporate commercial way,
• 46:04
  the way I was doing those short films where it was, Oh no, this
• 46:07
  has to get on, you know, shutter or this has to get on, you know,
• 46:10
  screen box. It has to go.
• 46:12
  But you know, this is, this is not a theatrical movie and we
• 46:16
  have like 12,000 bucks to make it.
• 46:20
  So let's just have fun. I'm not going to bring the, the
• 46:23
  red camera out for this. We're not going to bring the,
• 46:25
  the cinema lenses. There's not going to be like
• 46:29
  grip electric because there are no people to use this stuff.
• 46:33
  Like I'm not going to have anybody to change a lens or
• 46:35
  download a card or, you know, do any of that stuff or focus and
• 46:39
  you know, dial in the color balance.
• 46:40
  Like there's no people to do this.
• 46:42
  So let's just do what we did back in the, you know, the 90s.
• 46:45
  Let's pick up a camcorder and shoot it on a camcorder and
• 46:48
  that'll be. Pointed somewhere and then.
• 46:50
  Shoot, Yeah, yeah. Just just it's it's like a
• 46:52
  smart, dumb thing where it just focuses itself.
• 46:55
  It colors itself. And it's just like, it doesn't
• 46:57
  really focus very well. Some scenes you can see just go
• 46:59
  out of focus and, you know, but it was, again, it was like that
• 47:02
  Guligan's thing. It was like this, this is what
• 47:05
  it is. If people don't get it, it's not
• 47:07
  for them. Like, like, you know, no big
• 47:10
  deal. Like go, go watch, you know, go
• 47:12
  watch a Marvel movie. This is, this is a different
• 47:15
  thing. And if you like, if you get it,
• 47:18
  that's awesome. It's the punk thing.
• 47:19
  It's, you know, it's like, like, like, like, like Nicholas was
• 47:23
  saying, it's, it's, it's the thing that you get it or you
• 47:26
  don't. And, and it worked.
• 47:28
  I mean, the, the, the shoot went great.
• 47:31
  And we were having so much fun doing it the way we used to do
• 47:34
  it that, yeah. Sean did at one point.
• 47:37
  At one point, we're on, you know, we're in his house, we're
• 47:41
  shooting in his living room. He hired these young actors and
• 47:47
  they're saying his words. And he turns to me and he's
• 47:50
  like, it's like old times, right?
• 47:52
  That's right, Right. He looks at me and I'm like,
• 47:56
  what? He's like, man, it's like it's
• 48:00
  like back in the day feel it like he was like really excited.
• 48:02
  Like, and I've seen Sean with like that kind of dead look in
• 48:06
  his eyes when he's like, I don't want to be here anymore.
• 48:09
  But when we was doing scream walkers, he was like, it was
• 48:11
  like he was 19 again, you know, getting out of the bagel store
• 48:16
  that he worked for like 20 hours and then like just getting
• 48:19
  behind the camera and throwing himself off a car and being
• 48:22
  like, let's do it again. Let's do another take.
• 48:24
  So he was just like that. But like, he got to like, direct
• 48:27
  these young actors and be like, let's do it again.
• 48:29
  Who wants to do it again? You know, who's having?
• 48:31
  What did you say you were like you'd do the Tarantino thing?
• 48:33
  Like, do we love? Like, what do we love?
• 48:35
  What are we doing? Yeah, we love it's.
• 48:36
  Another one, because why? Because we love movies.
• 48:38
  Because we love film like he would.
• 48:40
  He would say that that's so sweet.
• 48:42
  We love. Camcorders, you know.
• 48:43
  Yeah, and he had. It was funny because I got used
• 48:48
  to seeing Sean behind like a big rig and then he was back to like
• 48:52
  a little tiny tripod. Skinny tripod with a little tiny
• 48:55
  camcorder. But it kept us moving so fast,
• 48:58
  like we would shoot 10 hour days and we would get so much and it
• 49:01
  was just like 2 panel. Lights.
• 49:03
  How many days? 12 days was the whole shoot it.
• 49:05
  Was about, yeah, 13 days or something like that, 13 days.
• 49:08
  Just 13 days straight. Yeah, it's.
• 49:09
  Crazy, yeah. With that camcorder though, what
• 49:11
  were the challenges of filming this movie with that?
• 49:15
  Cuz this is like it was an authentic 1994 like camcorder
• 49:19
  right? Yeah, it was.
• 49:20
  Yeah, it was a home video. You found it.
• 49:22
  You found it like in a garage sale or a thrift store?
• 49:24
  Or it was on Facebook Marketplace.
• 49:25
  I went through a couple of them, but that was wrong.
• 49:27
  That was the one that had executive didn't.
• 49:31
  That was the one that didn't break all the way, but the tape
• 49:34
  mechanism broke like the day before.
• 49:36
  And I tested both of these cameras.
• 49:38
  The first one crapped out completely.
• 49:40
  And then I picked this one up like a week before shooting and
• 49:43
  I tested it at the guy's house. I put a tape in, I rolled,
• 49:45
  played it back. Great.
• 49:46
  Awesome. And even shot like a little kind
• 49:48
  of like a demo scene with this thing.
• 49:53
  And after that, the tape mechanism broke and it didn't
• 49:56
  record the tape anymore. But I was always thinking, I'm
• 49:58
  like, I don't trust the tape. Like the tape's gonna fuck up.
• 50:03
  And then like you can only take this thing, so you can only take
• 50:05
  this aesthetic so far and it's got to sound good.
• 50:08
  So we recorded sound separately, but we just wound up going kind
• 50:13
  of like video cable, AV cable audio video into like a HD
• 50:18
  converter and then that converted it into HD video onto
• 50:23
  like a monitor that recorded HD video also.
• 50:27
  So it was like a monitor recorder.
• 50:30
  So we were able to record it in like HD, good HD video out of a
• 50:35
  really horrible 1994 camcorder. So it was like a clean signal
• 50:41
  that went from the like the camera was basically just a lens
• 50:44
  and the monitor was like the recording unit, you know, and
• 50:49
  like the challenge was like, the challenge was like just let it
• 50:53
  go. Like, you know, just don't.
• 50:56
  The instinct is to oh man, like like this, this color is weird,
• 51:00
  like her, like her face looks blue and it should be, you know,
• 51:03
  it should it should look like a skin zone.
• 51:05
  Ah, fuck it. Like what are we?
• 51:06
  I was, I was, I was focused on other things, like making it
• 51:09
  scary or funny or something. You know, it was just, but it
• 51:12
  but the, but the freedom it allowed was like, Oh my God,
• 51:15
  like, like I, I can't go back to like shooting on a cinema
• 51:19
  camera, like, you know, do not want to do that ever again.
• 51:23
  So you're not going to shoot video and film side by side like
• 51:27
  like Tommy? Why so like Tommy?
• 51:29
  Why so man? He was an innovator, man.
• 51:31
  He was shooting, you know, he was shooting HD video back.
• 51:34
  What did they say his bank account was?
• 51:36
  It was just, it's just a a black hole up with no end to it.
• 51:41
  Yeah, yeah. It's like no one knows why he
• 51:42
  has this money. It was so weird.
• 51:45
  I was, I was doing like a corporate film in San Francisco
• 51:49
  and it was like Fisherman's Wharf.
• 51:51
  Like our hotel was like ran a Fisherman's Wharf in San
• 51:53
  Francisco. And I got there late at night
• 51:56
  and my, but my partner, you know, partners with in the film
• 51:59
  business, but also he's in the movie, he's in Scream Walk.
• 52:03
  We wake up and we wake up and we get out of the hotel and we,
• 52:06
  we're going for a coffee. And I look just to my left,
• 52:08
  right outside the hotel door and it's Tommy Wiseau's pants like
• 52:13
  clothing store. It's his.
• 52:15
  It's his. Yeah.
• 52:16
  And it's got a huge poster of the room, his face.
• 52:19
  He owns this like this like humongous apparel store in San
• 52:22
  Francisco. Like a three level fucking like
• 52:25
  it's huge. It's like a warehouse.
• 52:27
  Yeah. I was like, wow, holy.
• 52:29
  I didn't even know he he like owned a like an apparel store,
• 52:32
  but it's huge in San Francisco. So he yeah, what the fuck?
• 52:35
  Yeah. I was like Dino, look, he's
• 52:39
  like, I don't know that guy. I'm like, you don't know Tommy.
• 52:41
  Wise. Everyone knows Tommy wise
• 52:42
  though. Yeah, so.
• 52:45
  But I mean, hell, he's an innovator.
• 52:47
  Look what he did, you know, And he's able to ride that thing for
• 52:51
  like 20 years. Look at him.
• 52:53
  There's no end. Yeah, yeah, so, so, so, yeah.
• 52:57
  So we finished Scream Walkers. We had it out like nine months
• 52:59
  later. It, it won an award in Long
• 53:01
  Island at the Long Island International Film Expo and won
• 53:04
  the the, the audience award. And then it was just, it was
• 53:09
  like, OK, we made the movie. Now we got to, you know, people
• 53:12
  have to see it. So how do we get it out there?
• 53:14
  And then it was kind of trying to get it on streaming and I got
• 53:19
  it on streaming and it's on, it's on DVD through a company
• 53:23
  called Alpha Video. You can get that on Amazon and
• 53:25
  walmart.com. You can get the Blu-ray on eBay
• 53:29
  from me directly. I'll send you a sticker and I'll
• 53:32
  kiss it so you get the Blu-ray from me.
• 53:37
  It's on eBay. Also.
• 53:39
  There's a DVD on eBay and then you could find it on YouTube
• 53:42
  also. It just went like Pete said
• 53:43
  earlier. It's it's it's on it's free on
• 53:46
  YouTube for a limited time. And thank you to Alex D
• 53:50
  Vincenzo, this Brokaw fan for tweeting about it and put it on
• 53:55
  Bloody disgusting. The guy's he's an Angel on our
• 53:58
  show on the scream Walker's shoulders for getting the word
• 54:01
  out there. So.
• 54:02
  I thought it was interesting that you, you're like, you put
• 54:05
  it on eBay as a way to. Yeah.
• 54:07
  It's cool. Buy it from you.
• 54:09
  Yeah, because I've really seen that as a distro.
• 54:11
  It doesn't, I mean, nobody knows.
• 54:13
  It's all like you don't go there for movies.
• 54:14
  You just like new movies and you know, maybe some people do, but
• 54:17
  it doesn't have like a like there's no barcode on it.
• 54:19
  So you can't put it on. You know you can't put it on.
• 54:23
  Just slang in it bro. We did.
• 54:25
  We did find, we did find an autographed Guligans for $200.
• 54:31
  That's right. Yeah, Sweet.
• 54:34
  Dude, yeah. And it's authentic.
• 54:36
  And our old DVDs are on there too, like old Google Against.
• 54:38
  DVDs yeah, Sean and I used to like write.
• 54:41
  We wouldn't write the same thing on maybe we had like 5 phrases
• 54:45
  we would write on the things. So I, I knew, I knew cuz that
• 54:49
  we, we found someone was selling one for like $100 and then
• 54:53
  someone was selling it for $200 cuz Sean's like that's the same
• 54:56
  one. I'm like, no, it says.
• 54:57
  Two different, it's different signatures, yeah.
• 54:59
  Inscriptions. It has two different
• 55:00
  inscriptions on it, so people are trying to get rid of this
• 55:03
  stuff. Another.
• 55:04
  Really. Important part that I that I
• 55:05
  skipped over the fun world, taking it back to the the
• 55:08
  company fun world. So we finished the movie, right?
• 55:14
  And I had this mask and I had a copy of the movie.
• 55:23
  And Will suggested that we just reach out to Fun World and say,
• 55:26
  hey, we did this thing right? We made this movie, we made this
• 55:30
  mask. Are you OK with this?
• 55:34
  Like, what do you think? And Will got in touch with Will
• 55:38
  got in touch with a fellow named RJ Torbert at at Fun World.
• 55:41
  And RJ Torbert is, he's basically Ghostface's dad.
• 55:45
  He's the one who called it Ghostface.
• 55:47
  He's the one who named it Ghostface.
• 55:50
  He, he quoted it as the icon of Halloween.
• 55:54
  So, so he's the guy kind of at an office finding all of the
• 55:59
  Ghostface bootlegs and stuff and sending them C and DS and.
• 56:03
  Oh shit, OK. But but also right now he's he's
• 56:06
  probably on like he probably just wrapped Scream 7.
• 56:09
  He's the guy on set making sure they use it properly.
• 56:13
  And now he's probably on the scary movie 6.
• 56:17
  What is scary, scary movies like 6 or 7, whatever.
• 56:20
  He's. So he's probably there now
• 56:21
  making sure they use that, that scary movie mask, right.
• 56:26
  So we went, yeah, Will couldn't make the meeting.
• 56:29
  So I go there. I'm like, I'm like, you're not.
• 56:30
  You're gonna make me go up there alone and talk to the like, the
• 56:33
  guy who owns Ghostface? Like, what the fuck, man?
• 56:36
  So but we sent him the movie like a week before.
• 56:38
  So he was he like he knew what? I guess he knew what he.
• 56:41
  Was Please tell me he was dressed as ghosts yeah, he
• 56:44
  showed up at the office he. Was wearing the he was wearing
• 56:48
  the Scary movie when he was like.
• 56:50
  What's your favorite scary movie?
• 56:54
  That was his first question when I this was first question when I
• 56:56
  sat down. He's like, what's your favorite
• 56:58
  scary? Yeah, I hope you said scream.
• 57:00
  I said scream, walkers. I said scream.
• 57:02
  Yeah, Hell yeah. Get out of my.
• 57:06
  Office but but look like like wrong bitch.
• 57:08
  I thought I was just going to like drop the mask off because
• 57:11
  like we did say like like is there a possible collaboration
• 57:15
  on this? Like what like is there a is
• 57:19
  there like a cease and desist in our future?
• 57:21
  Like what is like, what is or what are we going to talk about?
• 57:25
  And I get there. I got there with this and like
• 57:27
  the, the, the this character in screen walkers, the copycat
• 57:30
  killer has this kind of like claw blade, this steel pat
• 57:34
  claws, right, Which is clearly what I wanted to RIP off from.
• 57:38
  Like I tried to RIP off as many Wes Craven movies as I could, as
• 57:41
  Wes Craven is a God to me. So that was our Freddy glove
• 57:45
  kind of weapon and stuff. So I brought that along and I
• 57:50
  get up there and and he's just like, I'm like, well, what do
• 57:53
  you think? Like what, what, like what
• 57:55
  should our next steps be? Are you interested in kind of
• 57:58
  working with us or shutting us down?
• 58:00
  Like what is it? And he goes, he goes, no, I'm,
• 58:05
  I'm OK with it. And not only I'm OK with it, but
• 58:08
  I want to help. I want to, I want the mask and I
• 58:11
  want to put it out in as a ghost face mask or as, as a kind of,
• 58:14
  you know, a sort of ghost face mask in the fancy.
• 58:18
  Yeah, he said. We're kind of working on a
• 58:20
  feline, a cat themed ghost face anyway, which came out in the
• 58:25
  dead by daylight game is a skin on on.
• 58:28
  If anybody plays dead by Daylight, there's a skin shit
• 58:30
  with a, with a, with a ghost face with cat ears, these exact
• 58:35
  ears right here. So he was like, we're already
• 58:37
  kind of dabbling in that. And and so let's let's work
• 58:43
  together. We're going to own the copyright
• 58:45
  to the mask. We were like, yeah, sure.
• 58:47
  And they were like, and he's just like one question about the
• 58:50
  movie. He's like, he's like, how did
• 58:52
  you make that for 12,000 bucks? Like how did you get the actors
• 58:56
  and all the other? He, he just wanted to know how
• 58:58
  we made the movie for like that cheap, you know, and I just told
• 59:02
  him like we cast, you know, cast on Facebook, you know, we
• 59:05
  crowdsourced, we crowdfunded, you know, most of the budget,
• 59:08
  $8000 of it. And we just, you know, we had No
• 59:11
  Fear and we just went and made it.
• 59:13
  We didn't ask you, you know, first.
• 59:15
  We just went and did it. I think he appreciated, he
• 59:17
  really appreciated like us being like, Full disclosure,
• 59:21
  forthcoming with all of the stuff, like, because he's used
• 59:24
  to chasing down people and, you know, everywhere across the
• 59:27
  world for bootlegging, you know, the, you know, the Ghostface
• 59:31
  everything. Yeah.
• 59:33
  So, so he never gets the even like fan films.
• 59:35
  He shuts them down. Like he takes them off of
• 59:37
  YouTube and stuff because he's working directly with Paramount
• 59:41
  like a spyglass now or whatever company.
• 59:43
  Like ever since this meeting in 2023, like everything is kind of
• 59:47
  like, you know, there's big news about spyglass and Paramount
• 59:50
  and, and, and the scream movies themselves.
• 59:54
  You know, who's coming back? Who said this online?
• 59:56
  Who's you know, who's unhireable?
• 59:58
  Like, you know, Schumacher coming back.
• 1:00:01
  Like there's so there's a crazy scream fan base that you know,
• 1:00:05
  we're we're not desperate to tap into, but it would be awesome.
• 1:00:10
  We're really interested in seeing what they have to say
• 1:00:12
  about, you know, a, a, a screamish thing.
• 1:00:16
  But now that fun world owns the mask.
• 1:00:18
  And it's like that is the that's where the mask belong, always
• 1:00:22
  belonged. We just kind of, you know, made
• 1:00:24
  it and kind of ushered it to them.
• 1:00:27
  So we were just like and especially will, my partner
• 1:00:29
  will, he was just like, this is the dream come true.
• 1:00:32
  He always wanted this to happen. Kind of us either be sued by by
• 1:00:36
  fun world or like or for them to be like awesome mask.
• 1:00:40
  We'll take in that, you know, thanks.
• 1:00:42
  And, and even that is just like, wow, awesome.
• 1:00:45
  Like totally awesome. Sweet.
• 1:00:46
  Yeah, it's better than getting sued for sure.
• 1:00:49
  It it could have gone either way.
• 1:00:50
  And you know, he had every right to be like, you know, I'm taking
• 1:00:53
  this and I'm, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm kind of catching and
• 1:00:57
  killing this thing or put it out.
• 1:00:59
  So it was supposed to come out this year, but because of the
• 1:01:03
  trade stuff that's happening with China, it's been delayed a
• 1:01:08
  year. So I think this month it's going
• 1:01:12
  to be going out to their big retailers for like next year.
• 1:01:17
  I mean, dude, I mean. Awesome.
• 1:01:18
  Yeah, the minute people see that mask on shelves that like, you
• 1:01:22
  know, like what you like your spirit, Halloween and all that
• 1:01:24
  type of stuff you're doing and like online retailers, like
• 1:01:27
  people are gonna be like, oh, where the fuck is that?
• 1:01:29
  What's? That from right?
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's.
• 1:01:31
  Gonna be that. That's good.
• 1:01:33
  That's gonna be. And, and we have yet to, to see
• 1:01:35
  if they're actually going to mention the movie on it.
• 1:01:38
  I, I think that they asked for like the, the promotional, you
• 1:01:42
  know, pictures and logos from the movie.
• 1:01:43
  So hopefully, you know, it does say what it's from because there
• 1:01:47
  are other like Ghostface variants out there.
• 1:01:49
  There's the smile or the gesture and then there's like the bling
• 1:01:52
  one like like they have every every fucking type of Ghostface
• 1:01:56
  mask out there. Like with the you know, a devil
• 1:01:58
  horned 1. So and they don't have stories,
• 1:02:01
  but the copycat killer has a whole damn movie.
• 1:02:05
  So, so we're always like, if we make a OK movie and, and have a
• 1:02:09
  mask out there, like, oh man, like, and, and we did this for
• 1:02:12
  like, you know, gum and, and, and duct tape and, and just
• 1:02:17
  like, you know, like sleep, couple of sleepless nights.
• 1:02:20
  Like if we, if we do this, you know, the humble beginnings and
• 1:02:23
  then this thing gets out in stores as as like a legit mask
• 1:02:26
  like that would be amazing. And that happened.
• 1:02:28
  So yeah, this thing worked out like like a dream.
• 1:02:32
  Like really, truly like a dream. Does that does them owning the
• 1:02:36
  mask affect your aspirations of a franchise?
• 1:02:42
  No, no, I, I mentioned that and it was, it would just be like a
• 1:02:45
  conversation type of thing and and depending on the, the terms
• 1:02:49
  of another production would determine kind of, you know, the
• 1:02:56
  a deal. What that looks like for you
• 1:02:58
  guys and the Copycat killer. Kind of thing.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah. But as of now, it's like they
• 1:03:02
  own it. But you know, we have this, you
• 1:03:04
  know, we have it in our contract where we can use this to sell
• 1:03:06
  the movie and and all that. That's awesome.
• 1:03:08
  We can't sell the mask. That's their mask.
• 1:03:11
  Yeah. But you know, we can have the,
• 1:03:12
  we can put this on a an actor and have them run around at a
• 1:03:15
  screening or something like that or, you know.
• 1:03:18
  And we have. We have, yeah.
• 1:03:20
  That's right. Will Will.
• 1:03:21
  I, I I will. If it ever screams in Michigan,
• 1:03:25
  I'll be the chubby scream. Walker Oh, we have.
• 1:03:28
  Scream. We have scream walkers copying
• 1:03:30
  our killers at all of all shapes, sizes and colors.
• 1:03:32
  Please. We, you know, don't
• 1:03:34
  discriminate. Hell yeah.
• 1:03:36
  I eat my tubby ass fat. You know, I fit into it for a
• 1:03:39
  scene or two, you know, and I think they also license the the
• 1:03:43
  club blade. So it might come out as like a
• 1:03:45
  costume that is like the way they make like the Scream
• 1:03:48
  costume with the mask, the knife and then the robe.
• 1:03:52
  So we're hoping like, the whole thing, you know, comes out.
• 1:03:54
  Next year, dude, I can't wait to be taken my son out to the
• 1:03:57
  Halloween shop and I'm like, I know them, I know.
• 1:04:00
  Them, God willing. Oh, my God, Please.
• 1:04:04
  Like, yeah. I mean, look, anything can
• 1:04:06
  happen to this crazy world right now, but like, you know, and
• 1:04:11
  it's weird, like it's, it's a cool example.
• 1:04:12
  Sorry, Pete, it's a cool example that like a bunch of nobodies
• 1:04:16
  from Long Island could, could make this thing and get it out
• 1:04:19
  there like that. But but it all just it, it's all
• 1:04:21
  just like it shows you that like just ask that question.
• 1:04:26
  Go see that person, talk to that person like we were talking
• 1:04:29
  about before, like reach out to that person, you you feel like
• 1:04:31
  you might have a connection with or whatever, or ask the damn
• 1:04:35
  question. Introduce yourself, say hey, I
• 1:04:38
  did this thing, are you interested?
• 1:04:39
  It doesn't matter if they never reply, like that's what's going
• 1:04:42
  to happen 99, nine, .99% of the time.
• 1:04:45
  But at least they know you, you're there.
• 1:04:49
  You know, at the very least they might remember you down the line
• 1:04:51
  in a conversation or something like that.
• 1:04:53
  And in the case of fun world, like they might just be like,
• 1:04:55
  yeah, let's, let's work together.
• 1:04:57
  You know, you never know if you don't ask.
• 1:05:00
  That's so awesome. And just to bring up this,
• 1:05:03
  Bowfinger has ideas for further movies.
• 1:05:09
  You do, you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's always
• 1:05:14
  ideas for more. Yeah, actually, I don't know.
• 1:05:16
  I don't know if if he's actually locked in on one, but it's funny
• 1:05:20
  because like. Don't say anything.
• 1:05:22
  Don't say anything. No, no, he's still, he's still
• 1:05:24
  like. Got a big mouth man.
• 1:05:26
  We still hang out with the crew and stuff and they're always
• 1:05:29
  pitching ideas to him. Yes, yeah, that's right.
• 1:05:31
  There's no shortage of ideas out there and.
• 1:05:34
  Some are great, some are actually great, some are awesome
• 1:05:37
  like but some are impossible. Our cast was like time traveling
• 1:05:41
  copycat like. All right, you set it up.
• 1:05:43
  You set it up. Wait, you want to do that?
• 1:05:45
  I don't know. Real.
• 1:05:49
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:05:50
  But, but, but everybody was just so damn enthusiastic about it
• 1:05:53
  and everybody, like everybody came for the cause, which was
• 1:05:55
  great. You know, like some people came
• 1:05:57
  for like, oh, it's, you know, it's an early acting gig and I
• 1:05:59
  make 100 bucks a day or whatever.
• 1:06:02
  But then other people were like, no, no, I get it.
• 1:06:04
  I get it. Like, put me in all of them.
• 1:06:08
  Even if I die, write me back in somehow.
• 1:06:12
  That's awesome. But yeah, they're all just like
• 1:06:14
  for another one. You can have me do this.
• 1:06:16
  And isn't it after a while, Like, yeah, please, we got to
• 1:06:20
  sell this one. Nobody knows this one exists,
• 1:06:22
  you know. Yeah, let's get through this
• 1:06:23
  first, then we'll talk. Yeah, because like when you're
• 1:06:25
  done with the movie, like that's when the real work starts.
• 1:06:28
  Like nobody realizes it. Like making a movie is hard
• 1:06:30
  enough, even a small 1 like this, but that's your work
• 1:06:35
  didn't even start yet, you know, like getting it out there, like
• 1:06:38
  putting it online, but, you know, just buying ads.
• 1:06:41
  Like, like if, if we didn't have great people like like Bloody
• 1:06:45
  Disgusting or Film Threat, like reviewing this thing, like,
• 1:06:48
  like, you know, they must go through a million movies a
• 1:06:51
  month. Like I'm like, I got AI got a
• 1:06:53
  review this scream fan film. Oh my God, you know, but but
• 1:06:56
  they get it and they and they, you know, they, they write a
• 1:06:59
  review and they post about it. So that's amazing.
• 1:07:02
  And like we could not be luckier so far, but you know, still like
• 1:07:05
  to to even consider more like it.
• 1:07:08
  It has to be out there more. So thank you guys for even
• 1:07:11
  letting us talk about it. This is, you know, this is one
• 1:07:13
  of those things, you know, we need this.
• 1:07:16
  No, you know, people need to know it's out there.
• 1:07:18
  And thank you. We were beyond stoked when Peter
• 1:07:22
  hit us up. Was like, hey, like, remember
• 1:07:24
  that thing we talked about? And I was like, yeah.
• 1:07:26
  And then like the week started getting fucked up for both Brody
• 1:07:29
  and I, and I was like, we're good.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah, hop on, we're good. I was like, oh, shit.
• 1:07:34
  And then, you know, the day, the day comes, we're stoked.
• 1:07:38
  And then you hop on. And it's.
• 1:07:39
  It's awesome to, like hear these stories because like so often
• 1:07:43
  you hear about only, like the good luck that people have to
• 1:07:46
  say about the shit they do. And it's like, no, no, no, no,
• 1:07:49
  no. Let's hear about it.
• 1:07:50
  All right. And like, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:07:52
  It's cool to see like this come from years of friendship to
• 1:07:55
  like, hey, I'm going to. I'm doing it again.
• 1:07:57
  Like, are you, are you with me? Yeah, you're around.
• 1:08:00
  Tomorrow, let's hear the movie. Yeah, like, that's kind of what
• 1:08:02
  it was. It was like it it.
• 1:08:03
  That's just awesome. Yeah, it was back to basics and
• 1:08:06
  it was like, it was like it was so therapeutical and it was like
• 1:08:10
  spiritual is. That the word therapeutical.
• 1:08:12
  It is now Pete. OK, I got a thesaurus.
• 1:08:17
  No, but it was it was like it was like that.
• 1:08:19
  It was, it was like just just tearing it back all down and and
• 1:08:23
  starting like from your basic instincts was like, oh man, that
• 1:08:27
  was that was so great. Seeing it projected on a big
• 1:08:30
  screen, though, that was scary. Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  It would be at the film festivals.
• 1:08:34
  And we saw it. And you said that some people
• 1:08:36
  are like, is this on purpose? Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. People thought like yeah, the
• 1:08:41
  the projector was fucked up or something or like.
• 1:08:43
  Like, because it would be, it would be like paired with like
• 1:08:47
  you would have 10 shorts that are shot pristinely.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah. And then screen walkers would be
• 1:08:51
  the feature at these film festivals.
• 1:08:53
  And so you'd do, you'd see these beautifully shot shorts, 2
• 1:08:56
  minute shorts and all of a sudden it's like this shitty
• 1:08:58
  looking shot on video movie. A few other film makers were
• 1:09:03
  like, at first I was like, oh, this is a really cool, like,
• 1:09:05
  like, like VHS filter you put on this thing or whatever.
• 1:09:09
  And then it kept going. And then I was like, Oh my God,
• 1:09:12
  this thing is shot on video. Shot on thing.
• 1:09:14
  Yeah. These are film makers who like,
• 1:09:16
  you know, spent fifty, $100,000 on their five minute, you know,
• 1:09:20
  movie shot on an ARY with, you know, with a crew of 30 people
• 1:09:24
  and stuff. And then then we come in with
• 1:09:26
  this. You know, ragtag crew,
• 1:09:29
  everybody. Would show up there.
• 1:09:30
  There's so many. There's the supporters of like
• 1:09:32
  like the, the, the crew and the actors.
• 1:09:35
  They're like so behind. This movie, yeah.
• 1:09:36
  Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying before.
• 1:09:38
  I'm like, they were so in. It like especially like the lead
• 1:09:40
  actor Glenn. Oh man, he's still he's a he's a
• 1:09:43
  working actor and he is constantly pushing this movie.
• 1:09:47
  He like love like Oh, Sean. Tell him about what he said
• 1:09:50
  about being a lead. Oh yeah, well, yeah, he he like
• 1:09:55
  like like everybody. He kind of grew up like, like us
• 1:09:58
  probably just obsessed with action movies or horror movies
• 1:10:01
  and stuff and renting tapes at, you know, the video store.
• 1:10:05
  And his dream, nobody ever gave him like an action lead in a
• 1:10:09
  movie And and nobody ever put him on Avhs tape cover, you
• 1:10:12
  know, and we had Avhs release through retro release video,
• 1:10:16
  which it's that's on VHS as well, right.
• 1:10:18
  It's on every format possible. I think I think that's the best
• 1:10:21
  way to get these are just. Coming soon, yeah, yeah, so.
• 1:10:23
  But Glenn was just like he just. He got a little emotional.
• 1:10:27
  He's like, I just want to thank you for making me the action
• 1:10:30
  hero. And yeah, he never got roles
• 1:10:33
  like that. And he's like, thank you for
• 1:10:34
  putting me on the putting me on the videotape art with a gun
• 1:10:38
  like this. You know, he's like, that was
• 1:10:39
  his dream come true. So it was like, oh man, this is
• 1:10:43
  this is what it's all about. Like, just like putting these,
• 1:10:45
  you know, like, but only giving these, you know, awesome actors
• 1:10:49
  and. Maybe Sean doesn't want to say
• 1:10:50
  it, but he he said the black guy that lives at the end of the.
• 1:10:54
  Movie. Oh, that's right.
• 1:10:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, I was worried.
• 1:10:57
  He's like Sean. He's a yeah.
• 1:10:58
  You. He's a black fellow.
• 1:11:00
  Yeah. My dream come true.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah. And he was reading the script
• 1:11:02
  and he's like, he's like, I'm waiting for the page where I
• 1:11:05
  die, you know? I'm like, oh, this person dies
• 1:11:07
  before me. He's like, he's like, I was
• 1:11:09
  like, I always thought I was going to be the, the black dude
• 1:11:11
  that dies 1st. And he's like, I kept reading
• 1:11:12
  and reading and reading. He's like, I live to the end.
• 1:11:15
  I'm like, I live to the end. Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  And you're coming back if we make another one, you know?
• 1:11:20
  Yeah, movie 2. You die first in that one
• 1:11:22
  though. Sorry, bad roll of the dice,
• 1:11:26
  Bob. Fuck.
• 1:11:29
  So, yeah, so he was like super grateful for that.
• 1:11:32
  And and you know, all the other actors, like I said, and it
• 1:11:34
  wasn't like a gimmick like like there's like gimmick Movies Now
• 1:11:38
  and I'm not sliding them. I I love some of them.
• 1:11:40
  Like WNUF Halloween special is fantastic.
• 1:11:43
  That's great. There's there's, there's like a
• 1:11:45
  modern SOV movement that's happening and some of them are
• 1:11:48
  so cool. And then there's movies that are
• 1:11:52
  shot on, you know, regular HD video or 4K that are converted
• 1:11:56
  to a video look, and that's cool too.
• 1:11:58
  But this was not like this wasn't kind of a gag.
• 1:12:01
  This was just like, I mean, it was like, let's make it look
• 1:12:05
  gnarly and cool. Like I think it'll kind of stand
• 1:12:07
  out a little bit, but it'll also be it, it just fits the
• 1:12:10
  production style. Like there's there's me.
• 1:12:13
  And if I was lucky, I had peed on a boom or somebody, you know,
• 1:12:17
  one other person doing, you know, some lighting or something
• 1:12:21
  like that. But most of the time, sometimes
• 1:12:22
  it was just me doing the sound, camera, lighting and then there
• 1:12:25
  was like 2 actors and. Stuff there's a there's a skill
• 1:12:27
  that you you build making micro budget films where you use both
• 1:12:32
  hands to carry a boom and also to move a light and then
• 1:12:36
  sometimes. And then drive you get the
• 1:12:37
  pizzas. And, and then while you're doing
• 1:12:40
  that, you, you flip the camera around and you deliver your line
• 1:12:42
  while you're, you're pointing the mic at yourself.
• 1:12:45
  We've done all. This while holding the lights.
• 1:12:48
  That's awesome, So I know how to do that stuff.
• 1:12:52
  That's why Pete's so humble. Yeah.
• 1:12:54
  That's that's why he's so humble.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, but but it wasn't, Yeah, it wasn't.
• 1:12:59
  It wasn't like a marketing thing.
• 1:13:01
  Oh, it's a new shot, even though we did say it was a new shot on
• 1:13:03
  video movie. It was like, yeah, but.
• 1:13:05
  It's like, it's like what we could do at that time for those
• 1:13:07
  two weeks, like exactly what are you doing for 12 days?
• 1:13:10
  This is what we're doing so. This is it, right?
• 1:13:12
  Here, but a lot of the reviews, like one of the reviews I read,
• 1:13:14
  I think it was the film threat one was even though it was shot
• 1:13:18
  on video and and it was made cheaply, it was the directing
• 1:13:23
  that made it special. Like they were saying that like,
• 1:13:26
  OK, it looks, it's shot on video.
• 1:13:28
  It looks the way it looks, but there's definitely some
• 1:13:32
  technique behind it. There's definitely some there is
• 1:13:35
  a there is some directing behind it.
• 1:13:37
  And they talk about like the suspense that you build.
• 1:13:41
  It's like, especially like the you going back to like,
• 1:13:44
  Hitchcock stuff, like the tea kettle scene, you know, like,
• 1:13:47
  yeah, if you know, yeah. The sound, you're the sound
• 1:13:50
  design. It's like, like you if you speak
• 1:13:53
  film, if you speak cinema language, Sean put that in
• 1:13:56
  there. It's not just like a couple of
• 1:13:58
  dudes running around with a, you know, a camera they found in the
• 1:14:01
  garage sale. Like there is technique.
• 1:14:03
  There is, you know. Well, the Sean King's touches is
• 1:14:06
  definitely on it. Yeah, but that's, that was only
• 1:14:09
  possible because it was a camcorder and I wasn't bogged
• 1:14:12
  down with like the, you know, the the freaking lights or like,
• 1:14:18
  you know, oh, I can't get the color right.
• 1:14:20
  You know, it's like all this, like you're able to just focus
• 1:14:23
  on creative stuff. When the camera's doing all the
• 1:14:25
  work and you don't care about really the making it perfectly
• 1:14:28
  visual, you can get creative. Like you could have a dummy
• 1:14:32
  going down the stage. You could throw the dummy
• 1:14:33
  downstairs. You could put the camera on a
• 1:14:35
  like a pole and smash it through something like Sam Raimi used to
• 1:14:37
  do or something. You know, like there was kooky
• 1:14:40
  things you can do when you're, when you're nimble like that and
• 1:14:42
  you're moving fast and you're not worried about like all of
• 1:14:47
  these T stops and shit like that.
• 1:14:50
  Just ruins like the like no storyboards.
• 1:14:53
  We didn't make storyboards, no shot lists.
• 1:14:55
  We just shot from the script every day.
• 1:14:57
  Like how do we break the scene now?
• 1:14:58
  Just give me two. Minutes.
• 1:14:59
  You could tell. You could tell Sean has some
• 1:15:01
  PTSD from his corporate movie. I'm not.
• 1:15:06
  I'm not. Fucking going back.
• 1:15:08
  I ain't going. Back I I go back Friday, but but
• 1:15:12
  no, if we, if we did another, if we did another one, you know, we
• 1:15:16
  might try to kind of not do it, not do it analog, depending on
• 1:15:22
  where the story, the direction of the story and stuff.
• 1:15:25
  But you know, it, it's kind of like some some people, some
• 1:15:28
  reviews were like, I could I would like this better if it was
• 1:15:31
  shot on, you know, like an 824 movie or something like that.
• 1:15:34
  And I just think I think most like movies look like dog shit
• 1:15:37
  now. They're so like soft and murky
• 1:15:40
  and like ungraded and and flat. I'm like, I'm like, what the why
• 1:15:44
  does shit look like? Why is this a trend?
• 1:15:46
  Like where's your colorist? Like, yeah, just the contrast
• 1:15:51
  saturation, that's all you like do give me that at least.
• 1:15:54
  Like, and these are great movies.
• 1:15:56
  Like they're gorgeous movies, but it's like, yeah, it's like
• 1:15:59
  they just skip the whole post process and like color grade and
• 1:16:03
  just put it out. I'm like, this is gonna look
• 1:16:05
  fucking cooler than that, I think, you know, So it's or
• 1:16:09
  different at least, like like, yeah.
• 1:16:11
  You know, it separates itself, Yeah, from a lot of the other
• 1:16:13
  horror movies out right now anyways, like you got your like
• 1:16:16
  VHS, right, Right. Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  Whereas this, a lot of it is this like pseudo foe filmed on
• 1:16:23
  camcorder or, you know, whatever it was what it meant to look
• 1:16:26
  like the anthology series. But this has that obviously
• 1:16:30
  authentic look because it's fucking filmed authentically.
• 1:16:33
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and like, love those VHS
• 1:16:36
  things. Like some of them are yeah, too.
• 1:16:38
  But I'm like, I'm like like the, the, the what it cost you to
• 1:16:42
  convert this to like Avhs? Look, we shot a whole movie on
• 1:16:48
  on tape. Yeah, 12,000 like your post
• 1:16:52
  process cost as much as the whole damn movie that we did.
• 1:16:55
  Why not shoot it on like I understand like you have name
• 1:16:58
  actors and they don't want to look all out of focus and you
• 1:17:01
  know, lean and shit, you know, so it's like, I understand why,
• 1:17:05
  but it's like somebody just take a damn chance.
• 1:17:07
  There's movies out there that do it now.
• 1:17:09
  Receivers. A friend of mine, he makes a lot
• 1:17:11
  of SOV movies. Bruce Longo There's a movie
• 1:17:15
  called Pizza Party Massacre that's shot on shot on like
• 1:17:19
  actual like camcorders and stuff, but it's like if you're
• 1:17:22
  shooting them, your movie's called VHS.
• 1:17:24
  Shoot on a fucking VHS. Just one of.
• 1:17:26
  Them. Yeah, dude, you can up it
• 1:17:28
  somehow along the way, man. Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  And, and, and seriously, it just really releases you from like
• 1:17:34
  the, like the like the, the shackles of like the production
• 1:17:39
  bullshit, all the lights moving the lights.
• 1:17:41
  The setup's going to take an hour and a half.
• 1:17:43
  Our setups took 2 minutes. Especially if you have three
• 1:17:46
  lights. No Kick the lights out.
• 1:17:49
  Yeah, that's it. It was to put a battery on this
• 1:17:50
  thing. Get 3.
• 1:17:51
  Use them. Put them, use.
• 1:17:52
  A chair as a sandbag. Yeah, sandbag.
• 1:17:55
  Just put that one green, make this one blue, and you got like,
• 1:17:57
  let's go, come on. Someone's little brothers in
• 1:18:00
  front of the tripods. It doesn't fall over you.
• 1:18:02
  Don't move. Yeah, if you're a background
• 1:18:05
  actor, you're a tripod. Suddenly you're like, you're
• 1:18:09
  three different characters. You put 3 masks on in the
• 1:18:11
  background, you're a different character.
• 1:18:13
  You put a wig on. Man if you watch the party scene
• 1:18:16
  I'm like in the background of the same.
• 1:18:19
  That's right. Yeah, a background actor on the
• 1:18:22
  scene. Yeah, if you put this mask on
• 1:18:24
  and go back there and. Actually, I just, I just watched
• 1:18:26
  it on YouTube. I'm like, you didn't even I
• 1:18:29
  don't have a mask on. I'm like.
• 1:18:30
  You're like the. Reverse I'm in the background of
• 1:18:32
  the reverse shot of the same. Team And it's funny, there's a
• 1:18:36
  character in there who plays our lead actor.
• 1:18:39
  Lead character's dead boyfriend and the boyfriend's been dead
• 1:18:44
  through a whole movie. And then we reveal him getting
• 1:18:46
  killed like later in the in the in the story, but the actor
• 1:18:50
  showed up to be background or to help and we just put him in the
• 1:18:53
  background. He's like that she was dead.
• 1:18:56
  That's what what it's like. I already get there.
• 1:18:59
  Like, that's something you notice like the second time you
• 1:19:01
  watch it because you don't know who he is yet.
• 1:19:03
  But you're like, yeah, yeah. Like the dead boyfriend's a
• 1:19:05
  background actor. What the fuck?
• 1:19:07
  You could use that for this. You could use that for the
• 1:19:09
  sequel movies. He's actually like you.
• 1:19:12
  Could use that flashback from like.
• 1:19:14
  I love it when they use like see it from the first movie and then
• 1:19:16
  they put it and it's like zoom in and you've been alive the
• 1:19:19
  whole time. It's usually like take that
• 1:19:23
  enhanced. Intentional.
• 1:19:25
  Right it. Was real?
• 1:19:26
  Wait, that flashback wasn't real?
• 1:19:30
  Oh man. SQL.
• 1:19:31
  Ideas they're awesome you already they were doing it.
• 1:19:34
  We're doing it. Can I have AI know we're like
• 1:19:37
  we're like reaching the end of this conversation, but can I
• 1:19:40
  have a request? Can this be released with avhs
• 1:19:43
  filter on it? I could try to figure that out,
• 1:19:47
  yeah. Or just Sean's window.
• 1:19:49
  Figure it out. Yeah, just put Sean's window.
• 1:19:50
  Sean's just Sean's window with a VHS filter.
• 1:19:54
  On it. I'm OK.
• 1:19:54
  We'll try to. Yeah, I'll figure it out.
• 1:19:57
  That's awesome. Keep going.
• 1:19:58
  To figure out a way to do a webcam like a VHS.
• 1:20:00
  Webcam or like, yeah, if you do more, there's got to be filters.
• 1:20:03
  You should do that. That'd be sick.
• 1:20:04
  It's got to be legit. It's got to be a VHS, it's got
• 1:20:06
  to be a camcorder. We can't.
• 1:20:07
  On the other show, we are going to be reviewing Screenwalkers,
• 1:20:10
  so two of the other guys. So Brody and I do this show and
• 1:20:14
  then Noah and Alex and myself do the horror movie show.
• 1:20:18
  Yeah, it came. OK.
• 1:20:19
  So just defend, defend us in that.
• 1:20:24
  They have. They're not, or not you.
• 1:20:28
  Can you can they're they're they're they're horror boys.
• 1:20:31
  They they love it. They they for us.
• 1:20:34
  Like, biggest thing is, can you see, can you see that the when
• 1:20:38
  the the movie was made lovingly and that the people on set are
• 1:20:42
  having as good of a time as the director was?
• 1:20:45
  And you can see it on film. You can see when it's just a job
• 1:20:48
  or you can see when like, hey, they wanted to get this thing
• 1:20:50
  out the fucking door and make this thing.
• 1:20:52
  Yeah. And you can see that.
• 1:20:54
  And that's what makes these movies worth it to me to watch.
• 1:20:56
  100% yeah, yeah. It, it feels like if you ever
• 1:21:00
  messed around doing, you know, YouTube videos or, or camcorder
• 1:21:03
  movies back in the day or whatever, like, and, and most
• 1:21:06
  people, you know, a lot of people do that now, obviously,
• 1:21:09
  but it kind of like we, Pete and I learned this a long time ago,
• 1:21:13
  like when we were doing our, our cable access shows and our, you
• 1:21:16
  know, gooligans and stuff. People are like, oh, it's just
• 1:21:20
  like the sketches we used to make, man.
• 1:21:21
  Like me and my friends, we were kids.
• 1:21:23
  We would get the camcorder or we would do you know, we'd do these
• 1:21:26
  like magic shows with our iPhones or little horror movies
• 1:21:28
  like, yeah, everybody who's dabbled into this could relate
• 1:21:32
  and and like, and then see if the people are actually enjoying
• 1:21:36
  themselves. And that's the compliments that
• 1:21:38
  we've always gotten. Pete is like, oh, you guys, it's
• 1:21:41
  fun to watch. You guys have fun because it's
• 1:21:43
  clearly like you're having fun. And and but that's like, that's
• 1:21:46
  the atmosphere that we always want to have.
• 1:21:50
  Like a working atmosphere is like, look, like if we're not
• 1:21:54
  having fun, we're going to stop doing this is bullshit.
• 1:21:57
  Like, if this isn't fun, nobody wants to be here, you know?
• 1:22:01
  The actors are not gonna bring it.
• 1:22:03
  And it's just gonna, yeah, it's gonna die, man.
• 1:22:06
  What's the point at that point? Yeah.
• 1:22:07
  You know, it's like, OK, so we pushed it out, but at what cost?
• 1:22:10
  No, nobody's making money here. Like we're just, we're, but it
• 1:22:13
  also, it's like we wanna, we always kind of created the like
• 1:22:18
  the atmosphere of like, we're gonna write this thing for you
• 1:22:23
  and we're gonna give you the costume, but everything else is
• 1:22:26
  like, this is your job. So the actors were like, you
• 1:22:29
  know, I told the actors, I'm like, I'm going to give you a
• 1:22:31
  few notes, but like, this is your character.
• 1:22:34
  Like you're going to live with this character for like a month
• 1:22:36
  or whatever. And then so you have to create
• 1:22:38
  that character. And then some actors are cool
• 1:22:40
  with that. Some actors are like, Oh, I love
• 1:22:42
  that. That's great.
• 1:22:42
  And you know, just give me a little back story or something.
• 1:22:44
  I'm like, cool. And then other actors are like,
• 1:22:46
  no, I, I kind of need you to tell me, you know, how I'm
• 1:22:50
  feeling right now or whatever. I'm like, well, how would you
• 1:22:53
  feel like, you know, like put yourself in the scenario and
• 1:22:58
  then yeah, yeah, but, but, but it was also, it's also like if,
• 1:23:02
  if they're not collaborating, if they're not feeling creative
• 1:23:04
  and, and like they're doing something, then like why the
• 1:23:07
  hell would like put yourself in that spot?
• 1:23:09
  Why the hell would you want to be there if you're not making
• 1:23:10
  any money and it's not a great opportunity.
• 1:23:12
  It's like, no, they, they, they're creative people.
• 1:23:15
  They're hired to be creative. So be fucking creative.
• 1:23:18
  It's your job. Like, let's go.
• 1:23:20
  You know, they appreciate that. Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  Oh yeah. I love, I love, I love doing
• 1:23:26
  this episode. I'm so glad.
• 1:23:28
  Me too. I know.
• 1:23:29
  I I hope you really I hope you guys did, man.
• 1:23:32
  Like we love this is some of the better episodes.
• 1:23:35
  Like the best episodes Brody and I do is when we actually get to
• 1:23:38
  talk to people who are creating cool shit.
• 1:23:41
  Like Brody and I think we create cool shit, but we're just two
• 1:23:43
  assholes in front of microphones on the Internet like you guys
• 1:23:46
  are actually creating. We're just two assholes in front
• 1:23:48
  of a camera, behind a camera, you know, like that's the same
• 1:23:51
  damn thing. Holy shit, the duality.
• 1:23:53
  Creators, different medium, it's the same kind of, it's the same
• 1:23:57
  passion, it's the same basic, you know, collaboration, you
• 1:24:00
  know. It takes a village at the end of
• 1:24:03
  the day, it does, and it's awesome to meet people who gone
• 1:24:07
  that route of saying fuck it, we'll do it ourselves.
• 1:24:09
  I know what I want to make. I know what the people who think
• 1:24:14
  like me would want to see right? Like I know what I want to see
• 1:24:16
  in a movie. I know what I want to hear in a
• 1:24:18
  podcast. So it's like cool.
• 1:24:20
  No, thank you guys for hopping on everybody who listened to
• 1:24:23
  this show immediately after listening to this.
• 1:24:25
  You should definitely go check out scream walkers.
• 1:24:27
  It is right down below in the. It'll be in the links down
• 1:24:33
  below. The YouTube link, yeah, it's
• 1:24:35
  YouTube links. I don't know, I'm like pointing
• 1:24:38
  at myself inappropriately. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:41
  YouTube's a great way to watch it.
• 1:24:42
  It's also on Fossum. It's streaming on Fossum TV,
• 1:24:45
  Sling and on all kinds of discs and tapes and all kinds of
• 1:24:49
  stuff. Yeah, leave it on eBay.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah, eBay. That's right.
• 1:24:53
  Yeah, yeah. Get the VHS.
• 1:24:56
  That's right, it looks awesome. VHS is like.
• 1:24:58
  I the best way to do want the VHS.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah, I do kind of want to get VHS because that would just look
• 1:25:02
  sick. It's pretty bad.
• 1:25:03
  I collect all the old medium stuff as well.
• 1:25:06
  Big box PC shit right there. I'm weird and old.
• 1:25:10
  Awesome. No yeah, go go check it out.
• 1:25:12
  Links down below. Did you guys want to plug
• 1:25:15
  guligans too? Just for people to go check that
• 1:25:17
  out. Yeah, it's all, it's all on
• 1:25:19
  YouTube. We actually we released it on
• 1:25:22
  VHS form, so we really got into like, well we were making scream
• 1:25:25
  walkers. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:25:27
  We really got into the whole VHS look.
• 1:25:29
  So it got re released on YouTube.
• 1:25:33
  It's called the Rescue dot and VHS version, I think.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah, something like that. It's that or Taylor's version, I
• 1:25:38
  can't remember, but it's just whatever.
• 1:25:42
  But it's yeah, watch it all. All the episodes are there on
• 1:25:45
  VHS version. Rescue Shawn.
• 1:25:47
  VHS. Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  Yeah, and Shawn actually like he dumped it onto VHS and then he
• 1:25:53
  actually went through the process.
• 1:25:54
  It's not VHS. Look, he actually took the
• 1:25:57
  videos, put it on VHS and re dumped it back to video and then
• 1:26:02
  that's awesome. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:03
  No, it's it's actually. He doesn't believe in filtered
• 1:26:06
  looks. No, we went from digital to tape
• 1:26:08
  and then tape to digital and then on.
• 1:26:10
  He and he, like he took the tape out and just ripped it.
• 1:26:13
  And there was a few parts. I would say stop the tape at the
• 1:26:16
  right time and just take it to get a little.
• 1:26:19
  That's a little annoying. You see Like you see.
• 1:26:21
  Like cigarette cigarette blurbs and.
• 1:26:22
  All that, huh? There's parts.
• 1:26:24
  There's parts that are kind of jittery.
• 1:26:26
  Well, that's that's like, yeah, that's the bad digital transfer.
• 1:26:29
  But I think it's the best way to to watch the Gouligans because
• 1:26:32
  it hides. Yeah, you can't.
• 1:26:34
  Yeah, it hides the scenes and the and the sweat and like Mic
• 1:26:38
  powering through the sweat. It's like, it's like, it's like
• 1:26:41
  80's porn. It's like it just looks like
• 1:26:42
  it's, yeah, it just looks like he's acting 70s. 80's porn, you
• 1:26:45
  don't want like 4K on that shit, you know, So it's like, you
• 1:26:48
  know, let's like 16mm in VHS is like good for vintage porn and
• 1:26:52
  it's good for the. Put it on.
• 1:26:54
  Put it on in the background of your Halloween part.
• 1:26:56
  You want to see those shave bumps all like in in 4K or 8K
• 1:26:59
  and stuff and it's like and it's.
• 1:27:02
  Like what the fuck is that even? It's it's so angry, but.
• 1:27:08
  Yeah, Halloween. Watch Scream Walkers and then
• 1:27:11
  watch the Gilligan. Yeah, it's it's all great spooky
• 1:27:13
  time fun programming. If you're, if you're watching
• 1:27:16
  this in New York, if you're watching this in New York City
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  and Long Island on Halloween night, I'm putting on slacker
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  TV, the Halloween special on on air, on public access.
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  So oh. Yeah, Oh my God.
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  Really. On Halloween night?
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  Halloween. Halloween sucks.
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  The Slacker TV special is gonna be airing on Long Island and New
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  York City. Wait, Pete, is there a way to
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  get that? Online or no?
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  What's that you can watch? Yeah, you can.
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  Actually. It's only on Vimeo because
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  there's so much copy written like we, we.
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  Yeah, Sean put in all like the. Halloween misfits and stuff and.
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  Hell yeah. Yeah.
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  So, so YouTube, like YouTube was like, so it's really hard to
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  find. I think it's on Vimeo.
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  Maybe Vimeo took it down. I don't know.
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  Cool. Have we ever not been on public
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  access, Pete? Has there ever?
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  Been. No, we've always been.
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  Even after we left we. From 1997 till now, you've kept
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  you've kept us on cable access. Yep, look for it, actually.
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  There's people there's like there's a guy, there's a guy
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  who's in the, he's from Baltimore, he's in the oh, he's
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  in the band with the guy from WNUF.
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  Oh, Brian, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  He said he went, he went to a wedding in Long Island.
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  That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And he's like, whenever I, whenever I go on tour, I always
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  try to find the local TV. And I discovered the Gulagans
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  when I went to a wedding in Long Island.
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  And now he's he follows us. He's the drummer.
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  It's funny because Chris knew about it like 10 years ago
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  because I sent him DVDs. So Chris Lambertina, they'll be
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  a new F guy. It was like his bandmate didn't
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  even know about it until the cable access.
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  That's amazing. See, like that's like when we
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  like, yeah, that's the lofi mentality though, you know, it's
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  like let's. Keep it on, who knows who's
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  watching? Exactly that, yeah.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  Man, thank you guys so much. Thank you.
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  Sean King, Peter Boone, thank you guys for coming on again.
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  Links down below. Check them out.
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  And until next week guys, take it easy and be safe.
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