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Tyler Robinson Preliminary Hearing Transcripts (Day 2 Part 2) (9/19/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
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  Speaker 1: off with day number two of the Tyler Robinson prelim hearing.
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  Speaker 1: And once again, prosecution is asking the questions. Thank you, Judge.
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  Speaker 1: Agent Hall, before we actually watch State Exhibit 12.4, I
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  Speaker 1: have just a few questions. Yesterday, you testified at the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning of your investigation that you focused on the
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  Speaker 1: video that captured the shooter on top of the Losee building.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Answer, yes. Question, I believe you also
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  Speaker 1: testified that you began by working your way, and this
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  Speaker 1: is what I remember you saying, so correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but you in essence testified that you began
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  Speaker 1: with that video and you started working your way backward
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  Speaker 1: and forward with the UVU surveillance video in an effort
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  Speaker 1: to trace the shooter's steps on campus. Is that right? Answer, correct. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Would you mind explaining just in a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: detail what you meant by that? Tracking forward and backward
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  Speaker 1: on that video? Answer, yeah. We hadn't known when the
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  Speaker 1: shooting occurred. And as the officer testified, there was a
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  Speaker 1: video of an individual on the roof at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the shooting. And so the philosophy that we applied
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  Speaker 1: was to take what we knew and then work with
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  Speaker 1: that forward through the timeline and backwards through the timeline
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  Speaker 1: to try and establish where the individual had gone from
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  Speaker 1: the rooftop or how the individual had come to be
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  Speaker 1: on the rooftop. Question, and did that, for the lack
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  Speaker 1: of a better term, bear fruit? Answer, it did, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you actually see, at least in part, where he
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  Speaker 1: came from, and where the shooter went? Answer, yeah, more
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  Speaker 1: so where he came from. It was very limited after
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  Speaker 1: the fact. Question, okay, you testified yesterday that in reference,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, to what's marked State Exhibit 21, that you
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  Speaker 1: believe Mr. Robinson visited campus at least four times on
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  Speaker 1: the 10th and the 11th. Answer, correct. Question, And I
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  Speaker 1: think you reaffirmed that today. Did you do the same
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  Speaker 1: attempt that is to track Mr. Robinson through UVU surveillance
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  Speaker 1: video during each of those four visits? Answer yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Or those other three visits, I guess. Question or answer yes.
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  Speaker 1: On each occasion, we attempted to follow the movements of
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  Speaker 1: the individual throughout the campus. Question. And did you, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: see Mr. Robinson on campus in surveillance video that is
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  Speaker 1: not included in State Exhibit 12.4? Answer, yes. There is
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  Speaker 1: additional footage of him on campus. Yes. Okay. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have displayed on your monitor. What you're going to
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  Speaker 1: see is a paused or still image. And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to ask you if you recognize what? You see that now,
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  Speaker 1: Agent Hall? Answer, I do. Question, okay. Do you recognize
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  Speaker 1: what's displayed on that monitor? Answer, yeah. It's footage from
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  Speaker 1: the university that was provided to us, particularly of the
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  Speaker 1: parking structure. Question. Okay. And does that appear to be
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  Speaker 1: footage from state exhibit 12.2 or 12.4? Answer. It does. Yes. Question. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to have
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  Speaker 1: this video run. And then if you don't mind, as
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  Speaker 1: it's running, I'm probably going to be asking some questions.
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  Speaker 1: The video has no audio. Is that right? Answer. No,
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  Speaker 1: there is no audio on the cameras. Question. Okay. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and start the video. Um, the lawyer for
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  Speaker 1: the media jumps in your honor. It's just not up
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  Speaker 1: on the screen yet. Judge, let's go ahead and put
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  Speaker 1: it on all screens. Judge, no, I appreciate it. So
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  Speaker 1: it's admitted and may be published to the screens. And
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure it's on your screen, Agent.
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  Speaker 1: All right, all right. Prosecution, you may proceed. Question, appreciate that, Judge.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Go ahead. Okay. What are we seeing here? Agent? Answer?
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  Speaker 1: That's the vehicle that's believed to belong to Mr. Robinson
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  Speaker 1: arriving in the parking garage on campus. Question, well, what
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  Speaker 1: time of day? Answer, it's approximately 8.30 in the morning
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  Speaker 1: on September 10th, 2025. Question, and what leads you to
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  Speaker 1: believe that this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: information that was provided regard to driver's license and Department
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  Speaker 1: of Motor Vehicle records. The vehicle fits the description of
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  Speaker 1: a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson. Question, is there anything
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  Speaker 1: unique about that vehicle that stands out to you? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: the shape of the vehicle is very distinct, but predominantly
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  Speaker 1: the wheels were very distinctive on this version of the vehicle. Question,
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  Speaker 1: now what do we see? Answer, the driver of the
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  Speaker 1: vehicle exits the vehicle and then walks on foot to
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  Speaker 1: exit the parking garage. It's the individual in the red
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  Speaker 1: t-shirt and the shorts and the shoes. Question, and you
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  Speaker 1: believe you recognize who that person is? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: who is that? Answer, I believe it's Tyler Robinson. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right, and where does he go from there? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he heads out of the parking garage on foot into
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  Speaker 1: the campus and actually goes to the quad area of
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  Speaker 1: the campus. At the time, he makes contact with some
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  Speaker 1: representatives from TPUSA. Question, by the quad area? Answer, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: the amphitheater is what I've previously referred it to. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so he goes up to campus. visits the
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  Speaker 1: amphitheater area, the courtyard or quad. And then what do
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  Speaker 1: you see? What do we see here now? Answer, he
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  Speaker 1: returns on foot back to the same vehicle. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: what time is he returning back to the vehicle? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it's about 9.25 a.m. Question, and where is this parking
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  Speaker 1: structure located on campus? Answer, it's just off campus drive.
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  Speaker 1: It's a short walk from the amphitheater. Question, and what
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  Speaker 1: do we see now? Answer, that's the vehicle exiting with Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Robinson driving the vehicle. Question, now what do we see? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus on foot from
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  Speaker 1: the neighborhood to the northeast. You can see he's wearing
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  Speaker 1: the same clothing as in the previous video, and he's
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  Speaker 1: carrying a blue backpack. Question, describe the clothing. Answer, it's
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  Speaker 1: a maroon colored t-shirt with gray or olive colored shorts,
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  Speaker 1: and then Converse shoes. Question, and what time did he
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  Speaker 1: return to campus? Answer, just after 10 a.m. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: does he leave the parking structure eventually? Answer, yes, he does. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and during his visit, do you know where he goes
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  Speaker 1: after he leaves the parking structure? Answer, yeah, we were
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  Speaker 1: able to track his movements on campus. He went to
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  Speaker 1: Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson building and purchased some food, sat
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  Speaker 1: and ate the food. Question, where did he purchase the
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  Speaker 1: food from? Answer, Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson Center. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: where is that in relation to the amphitheater or the courtyard? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater.
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  Speaker 1: It would be on the upper back edge of the amphitheater,
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  Speaker 1: furthest away from where the tent was that Mr. Kirk
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  Speaker 1: was in. Question, and from there, where does he go? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: from there, he moves across campus, out across Campus Drive,
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  Speaker 1: into a wooded area on what would be kind of
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  Speaker 1: the northeast side of Campus Drive, then returns back onto campus.
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  Speaker 1: We notice at this point that he's no longer carrying
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  Speaker 1: the backpack that he was originally wearing. He moved through
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  Speaker 1: Gunther Building and the Computer Science Building, and then gets
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  Speaker 1: cut off by prosecution, and then goes where? Answer, then
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  Speaker 1: goes to the railing that gives access to the roof
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  Speaker 1: of the Losey Building. Question, and from there? Answer, from
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  Speaker 1: there he comes back down the stairs and walks off
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  Speaker 1: campus from that point. Question, and about what time was that?
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  Speaker 1: that he left campus that second time, do you know? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was approximately 11 a.m. or just after,
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  Speaker 1: if I recall. I could verify from my notes if
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  Speaker 1: you need the exact time. Question, yeah, if you don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: that'll help you remember or refer to it. Don't read
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  Speaker 1: it out loud. Just let me know when you've had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to look at that, would you? Were you
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  Speaker 1: able to refresh your memory as far as the time? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I was, yes. Question, and what time was it? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it was just prior to 11 a.m. when he walked
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  Speaker 1: off campus. Question, okay, and before we go any further,
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  Speaker 1: the parking structure that he left initially, where is that
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  Speaker 1: parking structure in relation to the LDS Institute building? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in relation to? Question, the LDS Institute building
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  Speaker 1: on campus. Answer, I think that would be just north
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  Speaker 1: of the LDS Institute building, if I recall. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you recall whether it was adjacent to the LDS Institute? Answer, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it was. Question, okay, all right. What do we see
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  Speaker 1: displayed here now? Go ahead. Question, this is a video
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  Speaker 1: of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way
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  Speaker 1: that he did previously on foot. Question, and this takes
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  Speaker 1: just a moment, and why? Well, let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I do, yes. Question, okay, and why do you believe
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  Speaker 1: it's Mr. Robinson? Answer, the shoes are the same, and
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  Speaker 1: the image that we have from my viewing and seeing Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Robinson on the video, it's the same person. Question, he's
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  Speaker 1: noticeably wearing different clothes. Answer, he's wearing different clothing, and
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  Speaker 1: he's also walking with a gate or a limp in
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  Speaker 1: the video. Answer, or question, with a gate or what? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: a limp. Question, okay, now what do we see? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: this is Mr. Robinson coming up the stairs of the
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  Speaker 1: parking structure. Again, he seems to be having issues walking.
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  Speaker 1: Question and again, were you able to track Mr. Robinson
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  Speaker 1: when he leaves the parking structure? Answer, yeah, we were
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  Speaker 1: able to. Question, okay, so when he leaves the parking structure,
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  Speaker 1: where does he go? Answer, he comes up around Campus Drive.
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  Speaker 1: As you can see on the video here, there is
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  Speaker 1: a cut through there, north of the Losey building. And
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  Speaker 1: that's Mr. Robinson coming up the sidewalk. He has a
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  Speaker 1: noticeable gator limp in his walk, and then he moves
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  Speaker 1: south across the front of the Losey building. Question on
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  Speaker 1: the sidewalk? Answer, yes, correct. Okay, he would be at
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  Speaker 1: the rear of those two individuals in the particular video. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so right now, if you were to break
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  Speaker 1: this picture into quadrants, where would he be? Answer, he'd
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  Speaker 1: be in the top left quadrant, walking to the left
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  Speaker 1: of the image. Question, now what do we see? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: this is an image looking across the parking lot to
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  Speaker 1: the Losey building and Mr. Robinson is appearing on the
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  Speaker 1: exterior staircase, which gives access to the Losey building roof
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  Speaker 1: and the area where the railing was. Question, and again,
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  Speaker 1: let's break that image into quadrants. Where would he be
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  Speaker 1: located if you broke it into quadrants? Answer, it's in
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  Speaker 1: the top right and the individual can be seen moving
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  Speaker 1: under the notations that are on the video. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and what time is this? Answer, it's just afternoon, about 12.15. Question,
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  Speaker 1: on what day? Answer, September 10th, 2025. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up part two right here. And
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  Speaker 1: in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to pick up where we left off. And that's with
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  Speaker 1: prosecution still asking the questions. And the question is, okay,
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  Speaker 1: what just happened? Or what did we just see happen?
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  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
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  Speaker 1: found in the description box.