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#299: Leatherface (2017) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  You messed with the wrong family.
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  Well, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  The podcast where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly and
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  the absurd and all of our. Favorite and least favorite
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  scary movies? Because we believe every horror
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  movie rightfully has this fan base.
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  Even if we don't always get it. My name is Travis.
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  My name is Jesse and welcome back to We're welcome back to
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  Texas. We're welcome.
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  You're welcome. All are welcome to Texas, except
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  that I don't know if that's true.
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  I don't like. That's true.
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  Yeah. Sometimes to Texas, maybe.
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  Yeah, it doesn't matter. We're there anyways.
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  We're going back to Texas because we have to talk about a
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  movie this week. Yeah, this is the whole show.
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  We have to yes, the. Whole show is.
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  Yes, but this is one that's had a dreaded build up.
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  Yeah, we've been we've been talking about it for months at
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  this point. And you know, we've we've not
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  exactly been the most excited to talk about it, but God damn it,
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  we gonna talk about it. We'll talk about it.
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  And that movie would, in fact, if you didn't pay attention to
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  the name of the episode you liked.
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  That's weird. Please tell me how you make your
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  choices. Could be autoplay, it happens to
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  me all the time. That is fair.
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  That is fair welcome if that's the case, which?
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  Means you're probably subscribed to us.
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  Thank you. Or the algorithm is fine like
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  hey these guys. Check them out.
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  We're talking about Leatherface today.
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  Yeah, 2017 Leatherface. Yeah.
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  Everybody needs to hear about that.
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  OK. I don't have any announcements
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  today. I would like to hear some poll
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  results from you though. OK if.
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  You could if you would. Yeah, we did one for the last
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  week movie I can't Fucking talk today.
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  Wow, look okay, it's 11:48 AM over here.
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  I am on my second cup of coffee. I have no excuses.
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  I was trying to come up with some but I've got nothing.
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  Saying more and more things that doesn't excuse.
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  I got a great amount of sleep, I've got 2 cups of caffeine and
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  I am doing terrible. What do you expect from?
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  This I know. OK, well, OK, I got.
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  I do. God damn it.
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  I do have poll results. OK, I've got.
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  All of this is stinging in. Yeah, OK, You guys know the real
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  Travis? No, no, no fancy edits to Get Me
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  Out of this jam. OK, so we talked about sinners
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  last week on the show, and we wanted to know what's your fate?
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  So we had three options. We had dead undead or boys of
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  legend, and everybody's undead. Everybody voted undead.
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  Everybody wants to be a vampire. Everybody wants to be a vampire.
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  Just like we talked about in the movie, Vampires are, I mean,
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  kind of awesome. They got great abilities.
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  I'm jealous of them. You.
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  Can't be out in the sunlight though, so.
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  That's a lot, but who needs that?
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  And also you're like sharing the space with a demon inside of
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  you. I'm sorry but I I've watched up
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  to season 3 almost to season 4 of Buffy and I've seen.
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  Season 3. I've I've seen Spike with his
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  car in the daytime. I he he gets around.
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  People can get around. You just got to be creative.
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  OK? I would be on that too.
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  I mean, I I want to be, I want to be a vampire.
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  I would like to be. It'd be fun.
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  I'm vegan, vampirism will be tricky for me.
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  Twilight. They still drink animal blood.
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  They do. You're right.
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  There's just no good way for you to be a vampire.
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  You're right. I'm sorry, baby.
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  I got to leave. You.
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  Wow. You would just choose to stand
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  dead? Well man, you wouldn't dead with
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  me. I'm Edward.
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  In this situation you can't be a vampire.
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  It's an exclusive club and you're just not allowed.
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  That's really why Edward wouldn't change, fella.
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  He really she was. Cool enough?
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  At the heart of the matter, that was what it was.
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  God does. Lose You're from Arizona.
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  Yeah, this fucking. All right, let's I felt
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  Leatherface because that's what you guys came here.
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  Today, yeah, not. Twilight that's.
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  True, that's true. OK, Leatherface, I don't there
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  isn't really like a single solid premiere date.
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  So the very first time that it played on TV on TV in yeah, this
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  is a straight to TV. Is it really?
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  Yes. What?
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  We'll get to it, but its first premiere was the Fright Fest
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  channel premiere in the UK on August 25th, 2017.
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  That explains the opening title. With the DIRECTV, 'cause I made
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  a note, I was like DIRECTV. Like how did they play into
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  this? We watched it on Peacock 'cause
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  this is one of the two that we don't own.
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  The other one's the Netflix 1. So just a heads up, that's where
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  you'll watch next month. You'll have to no choice.
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  But it is also streaming on Sling TV, Prime, YouTube and
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  YouTube TV. You can rent it from Google TV,
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  Apple TV or Fandango at home. Written by Seth I'm Sherwood.
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  Based on characters by Toby Hoover and Kim Hinkle.
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  Directed by Alexander Bastille and Julianne Maury.
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  Music by Jon Frenzel. Special effects makeup by
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  Olivier Afonso, Nicholas Herwin, Cyril Apoe and Pierre Emmanuel
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  Kass. Sorry, they're.
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  So they ditched K&B. Yes.
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  Man, but they were so on board with this franchise.
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  I got so much information that's going to blow your mind.
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  When we get to that part. Starring Steven Dorf is Hal
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  Hartman, Lily Taylor as Vernon, Sam Strike as Jackson, Vanessa
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  Grass is Lizzie, Finn Jones as Deputy Sorrels, Sam Coleman is
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  Bud James Blur is Ike, and Jessica Madsen as Clarice
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  Travis. Time for our favorite game
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  budget, Oh Button. Going bug, Ted.
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  Yeah, I don't even have a number for it.
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  You don't. I don't have a number for.
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  It wow, that's surprising. It did have a worldwide gross of
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  1.4 million and has an IMDb score of 5.0 out of 10.
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  I had no idea this movie had the troubles it had.
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  Yeah, yeah, there's something I'm going to tell you that's
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  going to really blow your mind enough that you probably got in
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  a bit. I'm so excited to hear.
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  OK, I pulled 3 movies from 2017. I know we just talked about 2017
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  last week with our two year not to be.
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  We did it, yeah. So I was trying to pick
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  different movies and I kind of came up with the theme of rough
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  childhoods. OK.
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  Yeah, that fits. Yeah, it fits.
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  So the first time it chapter 1. Yep, that fits too.
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  Came out September 8th, 2017 with a $35 million budget and a
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  $704 million gross. Yeah, that was a seven movie.
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  Yeah, it was a. Good one.
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  It was good time. 7.3 out of 10 on IMDb.
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  So the masters agree. Yeah, that checks. 2nd movie
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  Tragedy Girls. Yeah.
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  I mean, they're kind of the ones making their childhoods rough.
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  I think the person I feel the most sorry for is Jack Wade.
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  Didn't he lose like like that? Yeah, he and he found out.
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  Yeah, I think he's the rough childhood in that movie.
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  They they have rough childhoods, but they're also just rough
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  people too. Sorry if that was a spoiler, but
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  that movie's been out for a while, eight years, and we've
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  covered it on the show, so. That's true.
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  Yeah, Sorry. Maybe I'll remember to leaf it
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  out. Yeah, OK.
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  That premiered October 20th, 2017.
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  I don't have a budget. Worldwide grows for 122,006
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  Point O out of 10 on IMDb. All right, people dig it.
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  Third movie. This is in flashbacks.
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  OK, Gerald's Game. OK.
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  She had some fucked up shit happen to her as a child.
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  We've only watched that one time.
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  I don't remember. I only remember The Night Man or
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  whatever they called him. It was bad.
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  That's a good movie. Yeah.
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  Anytime I talk bad about Mike Flanagan, I'm always like, but I
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  like that movie that happens, that happens the most times I
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  talk bad about like, they did some good shit.
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  Yeah, Well, he's. Done a lot of stuff, so it's
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  just it's more of which of his things appeal to your taste.
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  That's fair, yeah. That released Gerald's Game that
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  is released September 29th 2017 and that was a Netflix movie I'm
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  pretty sure so I don't have box office information for it but I
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  can tell you it has a 6.56 point. 5 out of 10 on IMDb.
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  OK, that's good too. Yeah.
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  All right, I have some tag lines.
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  All right, witness the beginning of your end.
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  That's not too bad. It's OK.
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  That's OK. Yeah, it's OK.
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  Meet the world's most ruthless serial killer.
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  OK, I don't like this one because this is a prequel.
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  The legend lives on. No that.
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  Doesn't work this at all. It doesn't make sense, no.
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  That's terrible. And finally, the monster lies
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  within. OK, that's more appropriate for
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  what we're talking about here. I've already written down my
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  tagline suggestion from last. Night.
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  You were so excited about it. Yeah, we'll keep it to the end
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  of the episode, but I think it's perfect.
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  OK so I had my suspicions before I even got to the filming
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  location because a lot of this cast is European.
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  Like a lot of them have roles in Bergeron and Game of Thrones.
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  OK. And also based on the directors
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  names I was like, I feel like this is not filmed in the US.
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  Oh hold on, I think the director is the guy that filmed inside
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  Spider Man. Completely different directions.
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  Wait, what movie did you say? Inside.
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  I don't even know what movie that.
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  Oh, in that movie, yeah. No.
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  Chick St. Hold on, hold on.
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  We got 2 directors here. OK, OK.
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  He did do inside Spider Man. Oh, I was so wrong.
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  It was not. It's not a spider man.
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  He's not even near spider one of us.
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  Like I think there was a dude that had some like dealings with
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  spider man that like, hold on, was it the rider?
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  I got to check the shit out. Hold on a second.
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  I I swear to God. Oh my God.
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  There's no spider man to be found.
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  This is all very European. You're so right.
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  OK, okay, fuck this. I know nothing of this movie I
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  guess. Good Lord.
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  Oh shit. Okay, sorry, proceed.
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  This is filmed in Bulgaria. Okay, Bulgaria.
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  Okay. It was the first of the Texas
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  Chainsaw movies to ever be filmed outside of the United
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  States, and the third not filmed in Texas.
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  OK. Yeah, OK.
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  Wow, you really took the punch out of that review.
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  I'm so sorry. It shot through May and June of
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  2015, so initially there was a sequel for the 3D movie planned
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  with director John Lucenshop, but it never got greenlit.
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  OK, so they couldn't go forward with it.
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  And Sam Sherwood, notably not a spider with Spider Man fame,
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  pitched. He pitched a, he pitched A
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  prequel idea. Basically.
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  He, much like myself, was very fed up of all of these different
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  branching timelines. And he was like, I want to do
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  something that's a prequel so I don't have to deal with it.
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  Here's how you watch it in chronological order.
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  You watch Leatherface, then you watch The Texas Chainsaw
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  Massacre, then you watch Texas Chainsaw 3D.
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  Those are the only Canon movies for him.
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  OK, yeah, because like, this movie definitely does play into
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  that Canon with a Texas Chainsaw 3D.
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  Definitely. Yeah.
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  All right, We got some consistency.
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  Yeah. So we we know that timeline now.
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  Well, this is incredible. This is actually probably the
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  first time we've wait. Never mind.
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  No, the beginning we had like a direct sequel or like a direct
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  timeline like discussion like from point A to point B is.
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  Still in the same planned exactly like this.
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  So that's how you can watch these movies jump all around in
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  terms of like decades, but it's fine.
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  OK. Yeah, yeah.
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  And so because of that, he's got some interesting stuff in here,
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  but the one I thought was the most fun was that how Hartman is
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  meant to be the father of the Dick Cole Mayor Burt Hartman in
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  3D. Didn't make that connection.
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  Yeah, so that's why he's got extra like, angry towards the.
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  Yeah, that makes sense. I also, so as we discussed this
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  was we had a DIRECTV logo when we came on the screen.
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  Yeah, there was, this was filmed in 2015, as I've already said,
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  didn't come out till 2017. Basically Millennium Films and
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  Lionsgate kind of fucked up releasing it.
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  And because they took so long and sat on it, they lost their
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  rights to future Texas Chainsaw movies, which is why the next
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  one came out on Netflix. Damn, so how do you fucking drop
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  the ball like that just to release the movie?
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  Yeah, they did want everything to be practical as much as they
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  possibly could, which is why a huge chunk of their budget, we
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  don't know the amount, but a huge chunk of the budget was
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  used on that fake cow that they hide in.
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  Really. Yeah, wow.
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  You know, yeah, I don't think this movie had a huge budget,
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  but it had money and we say it looked good.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's, that's pretty much the depth of my fun
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  facts. OK.
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  I think it sheds light on some things so.
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  Yeah, well, that's interesting. I, you know, like I, I know a
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  lot of these franchises, like especially the Hellraiser one,
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  they just kind of pumped them out just to retain the rights.
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  So I'm kind of shocked that they fucked it up that bad of a Texas
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  Chainsaw. Yeah, I actually just read last
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  night that Texas Chainsaw rights have went over to 824 and
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  they've already got the person that did.
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  Strange Darling is going to be doing that in the next one.
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  OK, yeah, we haven't seen a movie yet, but it's on our list.
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  We've been meaning to watch it, but that could be exciting.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  All right, we'll see what happens.
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  OK, all that's done out of the way.
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  Yes, now we talk about it our own thoughts, opinions and
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  experiences. Good, bad, ugly, and.
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  Absurd. And if you haven't listened to
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  like, our past discussions of this, maybe you are listening to
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  our podcast episodes in chronological order of the
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  movies. They're starting here.
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  Yeah, you haven't started listening to any of the Texas
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  Chainsaw movies yet, and you're like, what's up?
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  Well, we attempted to watch this last year and it took us three
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  tries to get through because we kept falling asleep.
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  Yep. So.
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  And I couldn't have told you much about this movie before
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  last night and I so that's why we had that hesitation coming in
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  cuz we haven't had a good first 3 viewing experience.
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  Yeah, to be honest, it almost felt like a first time watched
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  last night because just wasn't into it the last time we
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  watched. And honestly, this is one of
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  those movies that, like taking notes, forced me to pay more
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  attention to it, so I I don't know if I would have been as
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  focused last night if we just had it on casually.
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  Yeah, I feel the same. So but that's that's our
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  background coming from this, and we're gonna discuss this with
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  open minds. If you love this movie, we're
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  not trying to shit on it. This is it could just
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  potentially be a case of like different audiences.
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  No, I've got good things to say. I do have good things to say
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  too. Yeah.
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  And yeah, we're, we're not gonna just like.
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  That's the point of this whole. Show.
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  Yeah, we're talking about like. All the good things, all the bad
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  things we're we're trying to look at every angle of.
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  It it's just usually there's not both of us going man, so.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Well then let's start off. Let's talk about some.
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  Let's let's talk about. Positive.
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  Yeah, I wanna. Be positive cuz it does have
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  some really good good aspects to it.
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  So right off the bat, I actually think that it it's a decent
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  little like escape and on the run type story here.
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  Like I mean, that's pretty much the entire story of the movie.
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  It doesn't really have much story other than that, but I I
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  do enjoy those types of movies. So, you know, I, I did enjoy
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  like sticking around with this gang and just kind of like
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  seeing them on the run, running from the cops, you know, like,
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  that's always good. It's a good conflict to have for
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  a movie. Yeah.
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  And I like the way that this tied in previous side characters
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  from yeah, the previous movies that we'd seen, because we were
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  pointing some people out to me when we were watching.
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  I was like, Oh my God, that's the person.
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  Yeah, like young Nubbins had the face, had the facial marking.
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  Yeah, you had Nubbins doing that, Farnsworth.
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  Yeah, like the lawyer. I had no idea until you pointed
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  and I was like, Oh my God. That is him.
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  Cuz I was in there. I was going Farnsworth.
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  I was like, I know that sounds familiar besides from Futurama
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  and I was in there. I was like, Oh yeah, we do see
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  him in 3D. Yeah.
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  And we weighed the groundwork with the Carsons, which was
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  cool. I think this also like watching
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  this, we benefited from having just watched 3D, Yes.
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  So like we were able to make these connections where you
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  know, like if you're watching this for the first time, it
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  might you probably. Forgot a lot of stuff.
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  Yeah, which I definitely did and.
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  I forgot Nubbins. His name was Nubbins.
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  For the first little bit I was writing Future Hitchhiker I was.
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  Just writing Hitchhiker. Yeah, I forgot Nubbins was his
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  name too. We hadn't really referred to him
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  as Nubbins since Part 2. Yeah, I think.
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  And even then, that was kind of in memoriam.
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  Yeah, it was. It was Bill Mosley just dragging
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  his corpse around. Yeah.
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  And, you know, the movie actually does have some solid
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  effects. Like, they actually do a good
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  job with all of that. So also, I like the Hardman
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  character. I may be a tad bit biased
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  because I love wretches gemstones and this is the rival
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  preacher from that show. I can't.
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  Remember his name in that, but I loved his character.
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  He he almost played the exact same type of dude.
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  Like he's a he's a fucking terrible guy in that show.
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  He's a terrible guy in this movie too, and I don't know, I
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  like that. I like this.
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  I'm sorry, I don't think Hal Hartman is a member of sword and
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  pistol or Cape and pistol or whatever the.
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  He may be he may be, I don't know that he seems like he would
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  fit right in I. Can switch my Cape too, yeah.
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  You know, like he didn't challenge anybody to a double,
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  so you might be right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
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  He's just straight up shooting. Yeah, executioner style.
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  And I thought the acting overall was pretty solid in this movie
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  too. I thought they did a good job.
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  OK, Yeah. All right, that's it from a good
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  What about you? I agree, I think that the
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  effects were really good, especially like Jed's facial
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  effects at the end. That was gnarly.
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  They did a great. It made me uncomfortable.
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  It was almost like he had a joker smile cut on his face.
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  Yeah, yeah, that was, it was really gnarly.
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  I thought the cinematography was really nice.
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  I thought the location that they managed to scout, I wouldn't
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  have guessed that it was Europe if I hadn't like been trying to
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  look up the actors to figure out why they looked familiar to me.
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  And I was like wow, lots of European based shows right here.
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  Yeah, they definitely did make it feel authentic.
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  Yeah. And I do think that the acting
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  was all really solid, and yeah, I can't be mad at them trying to
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  do something different with it, because that's the thing that
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  we've been begging for. It's like a different kind of
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  story, and this was a different kind of story.
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  So I appreciated that. That was the thing I was
• 19:38
  thinking about last night too, Like at least we are getting
• 19:40
  some variety here, like we're mixing it up a tad.
• 19:43
  And I I do like a good like like a crime drama.
• 19:50
  Yeah, you were kind of like getting Pulp Fiction vibes last
• 19:53
  night whenever they were holding up the diner.
• 19:56
  You know, well, because it was kind of like that.
• 19:57
  It was. Pretty similar to that scene,
• 19:59
  yeah. Like they may have been taking
• 20:01
  it directly from that page, a little bit more violent.
• 20:06
  Yeah, I mean, they they weren't as focused on the robbing part.
• 20:09
  Yeah, it's more about like killing and getting the fuck out
• 20:12
  of there. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:13
  OK, bad. All right, bad.
• 20:16
  OK, so right out the gate, the thing that I just don't really
• 20:21
  like about this movie is it pretty much abandons the slasher
• 20:24
  sub genre. Yeah, which is, you know, kind
• 20:27
  of at the core what this franchise is.
• 20:30
  I mean, this is like one of the founding slasher movies.
• 20:33
  Yeah. You know, I mean, it's not the
• 20:34
  like I, I don't want to get into that debate with people cuz I
• 20:37
  know like, you know, Black Christmas, you can even go
• 20:39
  psycho, but like. Some people even say Nope, never
• 20:43
  mind. Some people say.
• 20:45
  Ignore me. Yeah, but people say.
• 20:46
  People do say. And it's just, it was a very
• 20:49
  important movie to building the groundwork for what the sub
• 20:53
  genre is going to be. And they just completely deviate
• 20:55
  from it. I don't really like, I
• 20:58
  appreciate doing something different, but like they almost
• 21:02
  try to like give us a little bit of that at the end and it's just
• 21:07
  like it's too little too late. It just wasn't really working
• 21:10
  for me. So I I was a little bit bummed
• 21:13
  with that. Yeah, it's and we're getting
• 21:15
  another Jedda dinosaur has a really awful, terrible, no good
• 21:20
  that day. Also, I fucking hate the name
• 21:22
  Jed. I fucking hate the name Jed.
• 21:24
  Stop making me call this man Jed.
• 21:25
  And they made me call him Jed and Jackson.
• 21:28
  Fuck that shit. Did you want it to be Bud and
• 21:30
  Bubba? I wanted.
• 21:32
  It bud and Bubba ultimate bubbies.
• 21:34
  See, The thing is they they could have done Bubba with the
• 21:36
  big guy, but they're like flip it like let's let's just like
• 21:40
  flip it horizontal. Let's make it bud instead.
• 21:42
  And they're like, fuck you Bubba.
• 21:44
  Make him Bubba. God damn you, it pisses me off
• 21:47
  so much. Travis does not acknowledge any.
• 21:50
  We have this fight in private too.
• 21:53
  How I will refer to him as Jen. You will not call and.
• 21:56
  Travis is like Bubba. It's Bubba or Leatherface.
• 21:59
  Yes, Bubba is his name. This is his Roman Empire.
• 22:02
  This. Is this is the hill I will die
• 22:05
  on? I also just didn't feel like we
• 22:08
  had like a in game established here, like they're on the run,
• 22:11
  but like to like they said to Mexico, but we know that's
• 22:14
  bullshit. But like, yeah, it's just like
• 22:16
  we didn't really have a clear direction.
• 22:18
  It's just like, OK, we're on the run and and it's just like,
• 22:20
  that's it, they're on the run. Yeah, and it all right.
• 22:25
  OK, hold on. I'll save that for when I talk.
• 22:26
  Oh, OK. Also I just, I don't like how
• 22:30
  they completely rewrote the character's origins even in
• 22:34
  Texas Chainsaw 3D, which is candid.
• 22:36
  This right here, Weatherface has like a mental disability just
• 22:41
  like the original movie. That one still is part of this
• 22:43
  right here. But they make him like he's
• 22:46
  normal developmentally, which, you know, like it's just not
• 22:50
  true to his character. Gentle language correction.
• 22:53
  I would say neurotypical instead of normal cuz it.
• 22:55
  Sorry. Yeah, you're right.
• 22:56
  Yeah, yeah. Neurotypical, Like he he's just,
• 23:01
  it's just you didn't have to do that.
• 23:03
  You didn't have to change. There wasn't anything wrong with
• 23:05
  him being like that. Like, so why try and make it?
• 23:08
  I feel like they did it for the sake of the fake out.
• 23:11
  Cuz I mean, and it's also part of the ostracization he feels
• 23:15
  from. Yeah, it's just like you didn't
• 23:19
  have to make that change. And I, I really do feel like
• 23:21
  they wanted to do it because they wanted to psych out the
• 23:23
  audience. And that's a terrible psych out.
• 23:26
  I don't want to see Leatherface be like this.
• 23:29
  This isn't Leatherface. It's just not how.
• 23:32
  That's not how his childhood would have been.
• 23:34
  I, I just, I know it and I don't know, it bummed me out that they
• 23:39
  felt like they had to do that. OK, Is that it?
• 23:43
  All right, That's a big part of my problem with this movie is
• 23:47
  that we don't get a chance to bond with the characters, and it
• 23:49
  feels like we're supposed to know who they are from previous
• 23:53
  movies, and it makes it really hard to root for them.
• 23:58
  And like you said, there's no end game.
• 24:00
  They're just escaping and going to Mexico.
• 24:03
  It doesn't seem like Bud and Jackson really like Isaac, so
• 24:06
  why are they with him? Why was this seemingly a whole
• 24:09
  plan since he was supposed to get a nurse as somebody to hold
• 24:13
  hot? It doesn't.
• 24:15
  It didn't make sense. It falls apart the second you
• 24:17
  start thinking about it. Yeah, I can query wanted to get
• 24:20
  to Mexico but they felt the need to kidnap two other inpatients.
• 24:24
  I just don't really understand the motive.
• 24:27
  And the whole thing with Texas Chainsaw is family, right?
• 24:33
  It is. It is Very fast and Furious
• 24:36
  coded that way. It is, although they did it
• 24:38
  first. They.
• 24:39
  Did they did. And it's just weird that Jackson
• 24:43
  seems to have no desire until his mom pops up and he's like,
• 24:48
  we're more attached to Bud than we are anything else.
• 24:52
  Yeah, you feel sympathy for him. Yeah.
• 24:54
  And then they kill him. Yeah.
• 24:56
  And I think the movie does something like when it does a
• 24:58
  chaotic scene, it does chaos really good.
• 25:01
  It adds a lot of different elements.
• 25:02
  So that way it's not just like we're throwing stuff at the
• 25:04
  screen that's not enough to keep the tension going the whole
• 25:07
  movie. And that was part of it because
• 25:10
  we've talked about this in the other movies, that it feels like
• 25:12
  once the chase starts, it feels like it just keeps going.
• 25:15
  And you don't get that same feeling with this.
• 25:17
  You haven't bonded with the characters.
• 25:20
  And it just. I was like, they throw you
• 25:23
  through a loop because like they set up the characters, but then
• 25:27
  they like, but now they're they basically do the thing where
• 25:30
  they take the cups and they just like rearrange.
• 25:31
  You're like, OK, which one's which now it's like, well, how
• 25:34
  am I going to be attached to these people if I don't know who
• 25:37
  who's who? Like I just have to assume and
• 25:39
  I'm just going to like, you're also misleading me.
• 25:42
  And it's again. It's also very confusing because
• 25:44
  it seems like Ike and Clarice and Jackson had this plan for
• 25:50
  busting out, but it was only circumstance because he doesn't
• 25:54
  seem to know that his mom was there, but she's the one who
• 25:57
  caused the alarm to sound. So it just immediately falls
• 26:02
  apart. Like, and that's what I thought.
• 26:04
  I remember from last year that it was a planned breakout.
• 26:06
  And as we were like writing stuff down, I'm like, well, why
• 26:07
  was he buddying up with Isaac? And then I was just like, oh,
• 26:10
  because this just doesn't make sense.
• 26:11
  Yeah, it doesn't. So.
• 26:15
  Yeah. I just, I have a really hard
• 26:18
  time feeling a connection to this movie because of those
• 26:21
  things. Yeah, that's fair.
• 26:22
  OK is that it for your bad? Yeah, so ugly.
• 26:28
  I just queries and Ike fucking on top of corpse of a person
• 26:34
  that hanged themself. Yeah, it's that was nasty as
• 26:38
  fuck it. Was gross it.
• 26:39
  Was really, really gross. That whole trailer was gross.
• 26:44
  They all like, stayed in there with a fucking rotting body.
• 26:47
  Yeah, it was there for months. That place has to smell.
• 26:50
  It's got to be full of flies and all kinds of nasty shit, which
• 26:54
  is gross. Yeah, so obviously our
• 27:00
  understanding of mental health has come a long way since then.
• 27:04
  I don't like the way things are portrayed and treated in this
• 27:08
  movie, which I'm not saying it's the movie's problem is that it's
• 27:12
  portraying it that way. It's like an ugly reflection of
• 27:14
  society at the time. Yeah.
• 27:16
  And honestly, that we're still working to get rid of some of
• 27:21
  those biases and stigmas and we've come a long way.
• 27:25
  I think you and I were actually having a more casual
• 27:27
  conversation about ECT last weekend and I was like, it's not
• 27:30
  like what they show in the movies anymore.
• 27:32
  Like it's done under only very certain circumstances.
• 27:34
  And also you're not like being tortured with it.
• 27:36
  Yeah, which they're definitely torturing and they seem to be
• 27:39
  having like pleasure with like. Torturing these people.
• 27:41
  Too like. They're Doctor Lang's a bastard.
• 27:44
  He's a bastard man, yeah. And that that just brings me to
• 27:48
  the general abuses of power that are present through this movie.
• 27:52
  You've got Verna, she is an abusive mother.
• 27:54
  She's caused like, I agree that the kids need to be taken away,
• 27:57
  but how Hartman, he is also a bastard man.
• 27:59
  And he is like, all right, we're going to just going to throw him
• 28:01
  in a hospital, say that we're protecting them from their
• 28:04
  families. But really, this is like a
• 28:06
  juvenile detention center pipeline to jail because that's
• 28:09
  where they want to send all of the kids when they turn 18 if
• 28:11
  they don't stay with Foster. Family, that's what I think it
• 28:14
  was. Jackson's like, yeah, like
• 28:15
  Harbin put like 90% of this whole population in here.
• 28:19
  Yeah, not meant to actually be helpful, just his own personal
• 28:24
  vengeance. Yeah, also Drayton for like he
• 28:27
  pushed Jed into the guy that he didn't want a chainsaw and he's
• 28:30
  like fucking dude and he just like shoved him into and shoved
• 28:32
  the chainsaw into him. Yeah, a lot.
• 28:35
  Drayton is also a bastard man. Yeah, so there's, there's a lot
• 28:38
  of bastard men in here, some bastard women.
• 28:41
  It's fine. It's not fine.
• 28:43
  It's Bastard. Bastard.
• 28:47
  OK, so absurd. Well, so right off the bat and
• 28:52
  we get Drayton and it's it's Jed's birthday and they bring
• 28:57
  out the cake and he's like, oh, let's get it.
• 28:59
  And he just, like, sticks his whole fucking hand in the cake.
• 29:02
  Got dirty, unwashed hands. This is just like, it reminded
• 29:07
  me of Scary Movie too, where like they're like my turn, my
• 29:09
  turn, and then the guy's like my turn.
• 29:11
  It's just like a whole hand and they're just mixing it up.
• 29:14
  Oh my God, Drayton, that cake was for Jed and you just went in
• 29:18
  there and you shoved your shitty hand in there and it is nasty
• 29:21
  now. No wonder Jed didn't want to
• 29:23
  come home. Yeah, who could blame the
• 29:26
  fucking kid? It's like, didn't get cake,
• 29:28
  forced to murder. Yeah, it was just like, good
• 29:31
  Lord, man, have some self-control.
• 29:34
  Those like stage parents or the sports parents who are like, all
• 29:37
  right, here's your birthday gift.
• 29:38
  It's a set of new like equipment.
• 29:40
  You're going to be the best on the team.
• 29:42
  I want to play. I want to dance.
• 29:43
  No like. It's like the kid from Halloween
• 29:46
  2018. Yeah, it's one dance.
• 29:48
  His dad was generally support. He didn't understand it, but he
• 29:51
  was trying to understand it. Yeah.
• 29:52
  And then he died. Yeah.
• 29:54
  Yeah. It ended up not mattering
• 29:55
  unfortunately. OK, my obserd is that Lizzie is
• 29:59
  just the worst at running away. She's so bad at running away.
• 30:04
  And it sucks that she was the first person to try and run away
• 30:06
  from the house. She's terrible at it.
• 30:08
  She's so bad at it and like, I get some of them.
• 30:11
  It makes sense and like, OK, we're trying to hold like the
• 30:14
  death threat over her, but like once Clarice and Iker dead, why
• 30:17
  is she it? It's very flimsy that Jackson
• 30:21
  can convince her that Hartman's all that bad because at the end
• 30:26
  of the day, like he shot the Pit, it seems like he would be
• 30:29
  willing to accept her as a hostage based on his own diocese
• 30:35
  himself. I just it felt very flimsy.
• 30:38
  And then even opportunities were like Jackson is like trying to
• 30:41
  get her to run away. She just stands there and then,
• 30:45
  oh, now we're down to just Jackson and bud, you're going to
• 30:47
  wave down a cop car. Why wouldn't you just go solo?
• 30:50
  Like let if you don't want them to?
• 30:52
  You know what I mean? Like there are just so many
• 30:54
  things that she could have done to.
• 30:55
  I don't understand her motivation in this movie because
• 30:57
  again, we don't get to bond at the characters enough.
• 30:59
  Yeah, I don't really know if they knew themselves, honestly.
• 31:03
  It's just, yeah, what are we doing here?
• 31:06
  Like, I can understand, like, there are definitely some ways
• 31:09
  that you can make it where she feels like she can't run out,
• 31:12
  can't run away, can't try and reach out for help.
• 31:16
  But the only time she finally does it is when it's just her
• 31:19
  with Bud and Jackson. Yeah.
• 31:21
  And so. Yeah, it could have been.
• 31:26
  It could have been better. Yeah.
• 31:28
  And yeah, that girl, she's so, she's so bad.
• 31:31
  Run, Just run. Yeah.
• 31:32
  Oh man. OK, well, let's let's rate it.
• 31:38
  Let's give us some ratings. I I didn't hate it.
• 31:45
  I didn't hate it like I hated it the first time around because I
• 31:47
  actually sat down and gave a better chance this time, but I
• 31:51
  still it is still firmly in last place for me in this franchise.
• 31:56
  Yeah, I would give this like a 575.
• 31:59
  I'm gonna give it a 5. OK, it's it's above average for
• 32:03
  me. You know, it's not terrible.
• 32:05
  It's just I don't like it as a Texas Chainsaw movie.
• 32:08
  If it were a different movie, I would maybe feel differently,
• 32:11
  but even then it still has those problems that we talked about.
• 32:14
  Yeah, it just it, it doesn't create enough tension for me.
• 32:20
  Yeah, it's just not like the conflict's really lacking, I
• 32:23
  think. Yes, and you have to do
• 32:26
  something with a prequel that gives it stakes, because we
• 32:30
  already know. What happens?
• 32:32
  What happens? And even that twist about Jed
• 32:35
  being. Jackson.
• 32:37
  Yeah, Jackson being Jed like that still didn't feel like a
• 32:40
  dunk, dunk, dunk moment like I. Hated that it was just like him.
• 32:44
  Like why not make it fucking bud?
• 32:47
  Like that guy was like that was like they're like we want you to
• 32:50
  think it's going to be him. But no, like I mean right away,
• 32:53
  like you said, like they had Nubbin's scar.
• 32:57
  We knew it wasn't him. So like, why are you trying to
• 32:59
  throw us for a fucking loop if you're already just like,
• 33:01
  showing us who it is? Yeah, I just I where?
• 33:05
  Are you trying to throw us for a loop?
• 33:06
  I feel like they were. I feel like they were trying to
• 33:07
  make us. Everybody acts like it's A twist
• 33:09
  at the end, so. But they, I mean, they basically
• 33:13
  did that though, they're like they, they shifted the names
• 33:17
  around to try and confuse. Them and that's why they gave
• 33:19
  that kid Bud instead of Bubba. Like, yeah, we were supposed to
• 33:23
  go there, but I don't know. I just.
• 33:26
  Yeah. I and I did give it much more of
• 33:30
  a shot last night. I really did same.
• 33:32
  So and there are things that as we've discussed, there are
• 33:34
  things we like. So let's just go, let's go ahead
• 33:37
  and talk about it, see if we've talked ourselves into feeling
• 33:39
  better. OK, let's let's give it a shot.
• 33:42
  OK, we immediately start off with a DIRECTV logo.
• 33:44
  I'm sorry, I have to just bring it up again because I was, it
• 33:47
  immediately was like a smash in the face.
• 33:49
  I was like. What the fuck is happening here?
• 33:51
  DIRECTV, You guys are like, but how are you even going so?
• 33:55
  So we're at the Sawyer Farm, founded 1845.
• 33:59
  It's Judd's birthday, he blows out his candles and you know why
• 34:02
  everything goes to shit for him. Because I got an answer to that.
• 34:06
  We're starting immediately with the dinner scene.
• 34:09
  Oh no, I was going to say, because it took him two rests to
• 34:11
  blow out his candles. You're supposed to do it in one
• 34:13
  breath for your wish to come true.
• 34:14
  Really. Is that?
• 34:15
  Is that actually true? That's that's the birthday
• 34:21
  candle, Lord, I was always told. Never heard that.
• 34:23
  I just heard you got to blow it out.
• 34:25
  What about trick candles? And it's like.
• 34:27
  That's basically setting you for.
• 34:28
  Failures. Yeah, exactly.
• 34:29
  That's why trick candles are so devastating.
• 34:31
  That's terrible. Terrible.
• 34:33
  We are starting with a dinner scene though.
• 34:35
  Yes, it's Jeff's birthday, and Drayton ruins it by sticking his
• 34:40
  nasty hand in the cake. And then Verna says you know
• 34:43
  you're supposed to give the first piece to the thief.
• 34:49
  That's still bullshit. It's his birthday, he gets first
• 34:52
  piece. This family sucks.
• 34:54
  Yeah, again, maybe that's why Jackson was fine with the
• 34:58
  Mexican flag. I yeah, I think so.
• 35:00
  So the the the thief, he is accused of stealing their hogs
• 35:05
  and he has been tied up. He is bloody and he's like, I'm
• 35:07
  going to get out here. I'm a proof.
• 35:09
  I didn't steal your pigs because you don't have proof in the
• 35:11
  first place. Why the fuck would I want your
• 35:12
  pigs? And I'm going to tell everybody
• 35:15
  about your brood of psychos and murderers.
• 35:18
  And then Verna's like, no, you're not.
• 35:21
  Because it's Jed's birthday and he got a chainsaw as a gift.
• 35:24
  And now he's going to kill you. And the whole family is cheering
• 35:26
  him on. And he's like, I really just, I
• 35:29
  want to be an artist. I just want to make crafts.
• 35:32
  I just don't want to do bone craft.
• 35:34
  You guys kill. I will take the bones and the
• 35:37
  skins. And Drayton is not having any of
• 35:40
  that. So he just like they, he starts
• 35:42
  the chainsaw for him and shoves him into the thief, thief in
• 35:47
  quotation marks. And he cuts his leg, doesn't
• 35:50
  kill him, and everybody's cheering.
• 35:52
  Berna is pissed because he walks away without finishing the job
• 35:56
  and Grandpa, who's up and talking at this point in time,
• 35:59
  takes his chesty old sledgehammer just like he does
• 36:02
  with the beeves. Because he's the best dad.
• 36:04
  Yeah, he's the best. And it was nice to see Grandpa
• 36:08
  and make a solid blow. At some point in this franchise,
• 36:10
  I will I will give this movie props for.
• 36:12
  That it was nice to see him and not have to question if he's
• 36:15
  alive. Yeah, you know, like honestly.
• 36:17
  Yeah, you were like grandpa's talking.
• 36:19
  Yeah, she's like, hold on a second.
• 36:20
  We got we got movement because he doesn't even move on his own.
• 36:25
  Yeah, any of the other movies, he just sits there.
• 36:27
  Yeah, he just like kind of limply has the mellow of his
• 36:30
  hand. He's like, why?
• 36:31
  All right, so Texas 1955 we got a couple of teens driving down a
• 36:36
  dirt Rd. One of them is Betty, and she's
• 36:40
  maybe doing some stuff to her boyfriend's happy part.
• 36:43
  Trying and. They almost hit something in the
• 36:46
  middle of the road, so they swerve and they get out.
• 36:50
  And Travis and I both learned that we don't know what a cow
• 36:54
  looks like when you put the head on a small child.
• 36:57
  Because we were like pig no. It's so weird.
• 36:59
  It's a. Cow.
• 37:00
  It almost looked like a cow. It looked like a cow that had no
• 37:03
  no hair. Yeah, like probably a calf, like
• 37:06
  a baby cow. Probably, yeah.
• 37:08
  It's but it was just, it was just weird because you're like,
• 37:10
  oh man, I thought that was a cat.
• 37:11
  I thought that was a pig. It's definitely a cow.
• 37:13
  And I was like, shit, I wrote Pig too.
• 37:15
  Yeah, because like, I mean, you look at the face like that's not
• 37:17
  a snail. Like that's a fucking like cow.
• 37:20
  But also, I have to say, when Betty gets out to examine what
• 37:23
  happened and then Jeb pops up wearing that head and she goes,
• 37:28
  oh, it's just a kid. First of all, first of all,
• 37:30
  first of all, you're going to say just a kid if that kid is
• 37:33
  wearing a cow head. Second of all, you almost hit
• 37:35
  that kid. Yeah, and also.
• 37:37
  That's not the, that's the. That's what you say where you're
• 37:39
  like, oh, it's just a squirrel. Yeah, it's, it's also just like
• 37:44
  to really think about, in the grand scheme of things, a kid in
• 37:46
  the middle of the road just laying in the middle of the road
• 37:48
  wearing the head of a fucking cow.
• 37:50
  That's just like. That's not like it's.
• 37:52
  Not a just situation. That's not where you go.
• 37:54
  Oh, it's just this. But then again, this is Texas.
• 37:56
  I don't know how you all do your shit down there.
• 37:58
  Yeah, could be completely different.
• 38:00
  Texans. Tell us in the comments.
• 38:02
  Yeah, please. Do you all hang out in animal
• 38:04
  hens? This is just a thing, I mean it
• 38:06
  happens multiple times in this. Yeah, so she ends up following
• 38:12
  him through a field into the barn.
• 38:14
  Boyfriend reacts way too late. Like he just keeps saying,
• 38:16
  Betty, we're going to be late. Betty can't hear you.
• 38:19
  Betty is way far away in the field.
• 38:21
  Betty's gone. Yeah.
• 38:22
  Betty's giving us a butt shot because we got to get a.
• 38:25
  Butt shot. We got to get a butt shot and
• 38:27
  she follows him into the barn and falls through a hole and she
• 38:31
  is very terribly hurt. Drayton, I'm.
• 38:34
  Held or something? Yeah, Drayton is very happy that
• 38:37
  Jed did his job, lured him there and said OK, finish, push it up.
• 38:40
  Jed's still he likes to have the separation from the actual
• 38:44
  murder at this point, and so Nubbins is the one who ends up
• 38:48
  releasing an engine to fall on top of her.
• 38:51
  They had this whole thing rigged up.
• 38:53
  It's like trap, yeah. God I get why an engine makes
• 38:59
  more logical sense, but this movie doesn't make a lot of
• 39:01
  logical sense anyway so I wish they would have just gone full
• 39:04
  Acme and put an animal. Oh my I would have been fine
• 39:09
  with it. All right, so we now see cops
• 39:13
  and paramedics are on the scene. How Hartman didn't earn Matt and
• 39:16
  Sad Dad because we didn't even know that was his daughter.
• 39:19
  We just cut to him screaming. Yeah, that's true.
• 39:22
  I mean, you feel a little sympathy for him here at first
• 39:24
  because I mean, his daughter died, you know, Like it's, it's
• 39:27
  not good. And Drayton's over there being a
• 39:30
  little shit, and he's just kind of stirring up the.
• 39:32
  Shit. And he's like, well, you're an
• 39:34
  adult now, Drayton, so you're going to the gas chamber.
• 39:38
  And then Vernon flies up and she's like, why is Jed in my
• 39:40
  car? Take his, take the cuts off of
• 39:42
  him. You can't arrest him.
• 39:43
  And he's like, oh, I'm not arresting him.
• 39:46
  I'm taking him out of your custody because he's unsafe in
• 39:49
  your house. In fact, boys, go get any other
• 39:51
  minors that are in that house. Again, I thought this would be
• 39:54
  more meaningful. We see no other Sawyers in the
• 39:58
  hospital because it seems like Nubbins has been able to stay
• 40:00
  with Verna this whole time. Yeah, that's a good point.
• 40:04
  Yeah, apparently there's like a lot of people or incidents
• 40:07
  happening around the Sawyers and it's just a little too
• 40:11
  suspicious. So he's claiming that child
• 40:13
  endangerment. Yep, 10 years later, we have
• 40:17
  Doctor Lang explaining to our new nurse Lizzie, that there was
• 40:21
  a law passed which was meant to protect children who are in
• 40:24
  unsafe environments, so they were all taken from their home.
• 40:28
  Most of them were given new names to separate them from the
• 40:30
  stigma of whatever bad stuff was happening in their families.
• 40:34
  Some of them got fostered. The ones that were especially
• 40:37
  troubled, so to speak, wound up in the Gorman house.
• 40:41
  Which is where we are now. And it's assumed to be safer for
• 40:44
  everyone that they're there. He's saying that it's safer for
• 40:47
  the kids and it's safer for society at large.
• 40:49
  Again, this is stigmatization. And if he was actually doing
• 40:53
  doctor and shit and treating him, you know.
• 40:57
  Maybe, yeah, maybe we would have like, some good people here.
• 41:00
  I mean, we have good people here potentially just, you know, like
• 41:03
  get them back in society. And Lizzie is a new nurse.
• 41:07
  She is very excited. She specifically wants to work
• 41:09
  with this population. She's going to have a very rough
• 41:12
  first week. Yeah, she sits down with Bud and
• 41:16
  she tries to strike up a conversation with him, but he's
• 41:18
  not much of A talker. Jackson talks for him and as
• 41:22
  they're having a conversation, there's a little disturbance
• 41:26
  that occurs and it's Ike and another inpatient.
• 41:30
  They're they're having like a whole fucking confrontation.
• 41:33
  She has to go break it up and. And then Ike starts getting
• 41:36
  rough with her, so Bud intervenes.
• 41:37
  And then that's when a group of orderlies come in break
• 41:40
  everything up. They assumed that Bud and Ike
• 41:43
  were fighting when in fact Bud was just trying to protect
• 41:46
  Lizzie because she was kind to him.
• 41:47
  Yeah, and this is like Lizzie he she catches.
• 41:54
  What's her fucking name? Oh, Clarice.
• 41:56
  Clarice. Yeah.
• 41:57
  So Lizzie's shaken up. She goes to the bathroom, take a
• 41:59
  breather. She hears a commotion in one of
• 42:01
  the stalls. These stalls have toilets and
• 42:03
  bathtubs. Damn.
• 42:06
  Yeah. And she sees Clarice with.
• 42:10
  Just another random woman. She looks like Margaret Mcfoyle.
• 42:14
  Oh my God. So she's trying to shove, and
• 42:17
  this is how you know it's not Margaret Mcpoyle, because I'd
• 42:20
  probably be into this. Yeah, Margaret Mcpoyle would
• 42:22
  swallow the mouse. She just like, lick her lips
• 42:23
  like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:26
  So she's trying to shove this baby mouse in this girl's face,
• 42:30
  and Lizzie breaks him up and says you're gonna get a warning.
• 42:34
  And Clarice's like, no, I'm Doctor Ling's favorite.
• 42:38
  It's bad. And then she tries to defend Bud
• 42:41
  to Doctor Lang. He says that they're both going
• 42:42
  to get that both Bud and Ike are going to get ECT for the day's
• 42:47
  disturbances. And she was like, no, Bud was
• 42:49
  just defending me. And he's like, I don't believe
• 42:52
  that for one second. And then Jackson is like, yeah,
• 42:55
  well, you also didn't believe that it was right for him to
• 42:58
  stand up to somebody who hurt his dog.
• 43:00
  And at that point in the movie, Talia spun around three times on
• 43:03
  the couch, looked away from the TV, didn't watch the rest.
• 43:06
  He's. Like this guy's bullshit.
• 43:07
  Yeah. Yeah, so like they he tried to
• 43:09
  take his dog away. So he bludgeoned his last foster
• 43:12
  family into a coma. Yeah.
• 43:16
  So Jackson is thinking Lizzie just for sticking up for them,
• 43:20
  and he fills her in on the Doctor Ling's Chamber of
• 43:25
  Horrors, as they call it, which is the.
• 43:27
  ECT Room. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:29
  And he's just like. He's like, I can't tell you all
• 43:31
  that goes in, but just maybe take a look tonight and see for
• 43:34
  yourself. Then Verna Carson and Barry
• 43:37
  Farnsworth come in, talk to Doctor Lang.
• 43:39
  She's with money now that she's a Carson.
• 43:43
  So she's hired this lawyer and they've got an injunction that's
• 43:47
  supposed to let her see her Jed. And he's like, the problem is
• 43:53
  that they all have new names. She goes, yeah, but you know who
• 43:55
  he is? He goes, yeah, but you're gonna
• 43:56
  have to get a court order for us to unlock those files because
• 44:00
  they're separate. Might wanna hurry because he'll
• 44:02
  be 18 soon. And then I'm gonna recommend
• 44:04
  that he goes straight to prison. So fucked.
• 44:06
  Up what little shit. It took her months to get that
• 44:09
  one too. So yeah, it's.
• 44:10
  Just it's just not gonna happen. So she storms off.
• 44:13
  She says she's going to the restroom.
• 44:16
  Of course, she's in there for a really long time.
• 44:18
  One of the orderlies is telling Farnsworth to go get her.
• 44:22
  He's like, that's the ladies restaurant.
• 44:26
  Yeah. And so he goes and he goes,
• 44:27
  fuck, she's gone. She has run into some like a
• 44:33
  nurse taking their keys and opens up into like the wing of
• 44:38
  the house is shouting for Jed causing a commotion.
• 44:43
  Meanwhile, while all of that's been happening, they have bud
• 44:46
  down in the ECT chamber. I really thought they were gonna
• 44:48
  shave his whole head, so I'm glad they only did the like
• 44:51
  2010's edgy side shave. They did give him that, didn't
• 44:55
  they? Yeah.
• 44:57
  And it's just not going well. But it's now an emergency
• 45:01
  because they're calling all of the staff.
• 45:03
  It's like a code. Whatever.
• 45:04
  Yeah. So they've got an alarm, like a
• 45:06
  panic alarm and lights going off and everything, and it's kind of
• 45:10
  chaotic. The orderly, some of the
• 45:12
  orderlies grab Verna and take her out.
• 45:15
  Bud busts out of his chair and he beats an orderly to death,
• 45:20
  releases Isaac. Clarice chokes out Margaret
• 45:23
  Mcpoil with her braids and she says I know you were with Ike
• 45:27
  and he's mine. Just for looking at Ike's like
• 45:30
  this is what you get for looking at Ike like that.
• 45:32
  Again, this doesn't like sell me of their bond like it just.
• 45:39
  It's just two psychos, I. Don't understand why we're
• 45:41
  supposed to care about any of these people.
• 45:43
  I don't know if we're supposed to care about those two.
• 45:44
  I think they're supposed to be kind of like part of the
• 45:47
  villains. Yeah, I don't mean care as in
• 45:50
  root for them, I mean care as in yeah, them be relevant to the
• 45:54
  movie. Yeah, OK.
• 45:55
  Yeah. I wish we had seen more of the
• 45:59
  dynamics here before all of this.
• 46:01
  Like at least like a little like acknowledgement from Jackson and
• 46:05
  Ike, like, OK, like we're going to get out of here someday and
• 46:07
  you're. Coming with me, Yeah.
• 46:08
  Like they have like they're frenemies.
• 46:11
  Yeah, exactly. I wish we could have seen more
• 46:13
  of that, because as it is, I don't understand why they agreed
• 46:16
  to get in a car with him and agreed to get a hostage with him
• 46:19
  in the event that there's ever a chance to escape.
• 46:23
  Apparently because this wasn't planned.
• 46:25
  Exactly. Yeah, Bud has now made his way
• 46:28
  to Doctor Lang's office and confronts him and he just
• 46:31
  fucking beats the shit out of him.
• 46:33
  He takes his face and just like throws it through the window.
• 46:36
  Yeah, and just kind of like shakes him around in a little
• 46:39
  bit too. Yeah, I can Clarice have a
• 46:44
  quickie in the middle of all of the chaos.
• 46:46
  Yeah, they reunite and I think she blows him like in the middle
• 46:49
  of all the chaos because she just goes down there, Yeah.
• 46:52
  Lizzie and another nurse are trying to sneak out because the
• 46:55
  basement has a different way out.
• 46:58
  One of the patients jumps and attacks the nurse.
• 47:01
  Jackson attacks that guy and then he takes Lizzie outside
• 47:04
  with him, and then Clarice and Ike are already in a car.
• 47:08
  Jackson puts Lizzie in the trunk, hops in the back seat and
• 47:12
  they see Bud on the side of the road and pick him up too.
• 47:15
  And now they're just off. I just wish we had seen them
• 47:18
  like have a through the years montage at Gorman House over the
• 47:22
  past 10 years and see them like blood oath help each other out.
• 47:26
  We see they're falling out, but they still have like, I wish we
• 47:29
  had something that connects them more than animosity.
• 47:31
  Right here. I mean, he just like he takes
• 47:32
  them hostage, doesn't he? He doesn't even give them an
• 47:35
  option. It's like you guys are getting
• 47:36
  in the car, but they seem OK with it.
• 47:40
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It seems willing.
• 47:42
  Yeah, it's it's also, as we learn with Lizzie, she is not
• 47:45
  like she's not a difficult hostage.
• 47:49
  No, she is not. She is easy to maintenance.
• 47:52
  She has a low maintenance. Yeah, I like that shot of Bud.
• 47:55
  She's like walking down the sidewalk all casual, and she's
• 47:58
  like, get in, Bud. OK.
• 48:01
  And again, I think this is like what you said like it it would
• 48:06
  make more sense for Bud to be Jed or Bubba.
• 48:11
  Bubba. Thank you.
• 48:12
  But I feel like they were so focused on they had to make this
• 48:17
  like big reveal that they tried too hard to misdirect and it
• 48:23
  just ends up falling flat. Because I mean, this guy
• 48:25
  basically acts as him. Like I mean, this is like how a
• 48:29
  Leatherface, a young Leatherface would be.
• 48:31
  Leatherface loves a long walk after a murder spree.
• 48:34
  We have established that. He needs time to decompose.
• 48:38
  Yeah. He had some hard work in there.
• 48:40
  Yeah, he's got to let the adrenal glands, like, calm the
• 48:43
  fuck down. This movie doesn't even can
• 48:44
  touch on like the slaughterhouse or like.
• 48:47
  No. None of the cannibal should
• 48:50
  either. Yeah, like they have pigs like
• 48:53
  you. They feed the.
• 48:54
  Corpses to pigs. It's just like, did you even
• 48:57
  watch any of the fucking movies man?
• 49:00
  Come on he they probably only watched 3D.
• 49:02
  No, he watched the original, the 70.
• 49:05
  He's watched all of them actually.
• 49:06
  That's why he didn't like the all of the convoluted timelines.
• 49:10
  I don't really care for the cannibal storyline, just we're
• 49:14
  going to avoid that. Yeah.
• 49:15
  OK, so I guess their car breaks down.
• 49:18
  I don't fucking know. They stop and they just abandon
• 49:20
  it here and get some new quotes. Because I think they assume that
• 49:23
  they're going to be like that car will be reported missing and
• 49:26
  that's what they're going to be. It was Doctor Lang's is what I
• 49:29
  said, so I guess that makes sense.
• 49:31
  So they change into some different clothes, they start
• 49:34
  walking, they find a restaurant, and they're like, well, we need
• 49:38
  food and we need money. And Jackson's like, yeah, we
• 49:42
  don't have money, so how are we going to buy food?
• 49:43
  And they're like, just split up. Going quietly, Bud, You stay
• 49:46
  outside. Also before the Ike inquiry said
• 49:49
  like a little side dialogue and they reveal their intentions to
• 49:52
  kill. Them, yes.
• 49:53
  They're not going to keep these people around.
• 49:55
  Yeah. But she like adds even more
• 49:57
  questions as to why are they here?
• 50:00
  Yeah, they've gotten away from the hospital.
• 50:03
  Yeah, they don't need them anymore.
• 50:04
  And they're going to keep causing chaos wherever they go,
• 50:07
  so. It just doesn't make any sense.
• 50:09
  It really doesn't make any sense and he says that he wants to go
• 50:12
  see his mom. He's excited to see his mom.
• 50:15
  Yeah, which I who we don't know. She's in Austin, so I don't
• 50:18
  think it's the Sawyer. No, yeah.
• 50:20
  But yeah, it's just what? If it was the Carsons, What if
• 50:25
  it was the Carson? Older cousins.
• 50:27
  That could have made sense. Yeah, it would.
• 50:30
  It would tie us back into the hole.
• 50:32
  Go get all of the miners from the Sawyer's house.
• 50:35
  Somehow they still miss nubbins. Exactly.
• 50:37
  Yeah, they did. They completely miss Nubbins.
• 50:39
  Nubbins was one of the killers. He dropped the fucking ninja.
• 50:42
  Jesus. All right, so we're in the
• 50:45
  diner, OK? And it's going about as well as
• 50:49
  you would expect here. At first, Clarice and Ike are
• 50:53
  just like obnoxious teenagers in a diner.
• 50:56
  We've all seen them. Most of us have probably been
• 50:59
  them at some point. Not I've never been a fucking
• 51:02
  Ike. This guy is like stirring shit
• 51:04
  up with people like anybody who looks like what the fuck you
• 51:06
  going to do? He's like a fucking Bama boy
• 51:09
  here. What you going to?
• 51:10
  Do yeah. I mean, it's just they're up to
• 51:13
  no good. Lizzy is kind of making the
• 51:18
  waitress so a little suspicious because she is not eating her
• 51:21
  food and she looks fucking frightened.
• 51:24
  And Ike and Corey said, OK, let's, let's survey the crowd
• 51:29
  here, spot anybody that might have a gun.
• 51:32
  Yeah. And Corey notices the person
• 51:34
  sitting behind her has 1. So he's like, all right, we're
• 51:37
  gonna start a distraction. Yeah, it it this feels very much
• 51:43
  Pulp Fiction. Yeah, I was gonna say like
• 51:45
  Omagi. It does, Yeah.
• 51:49
  And, you know, like, I thought the distraction was going to be,
• 51:52
  like, an actual distraction to steal the gun, but no, like,
• 51:55
  they knock over a glass, get the waiter over there, and the
• 51:58
  waiter is like, OK, it's time for you guys to leave.
• 52:01
  And Chris is like, we ain't got no money.
• 52:04
  And then she just takes a knife and just steps.
• 52:06
  And at first the server just seems like fed up with it, but
• 52:08
  also not surprised. And then chaos reigns.
• 52:11
  Yeah, yeah, She grabs a steak knife, stabs the dude behind
• 52:14
  her. Jack or Ike gets the gun and he
• 52:18
  starts shooting up the place, killing.
• 52:20
  A bunch of people kills a lot of people, but not one of the
• 52:22
  people that was sitting up at the grill area who also has a
• 52:26
  gun so he starts trying to shoot back.
• 52:28
  Bud gets hit in the side and some of the crossfire.
• 52:31
  Yeah, and also Clarice grabbed a shotgun there too.
• 52:34
  Yeah, Clarice grabbed a shotgun. Lizzie tries to run.
• 52:37
  I can. Doesn't run the right direction
• 52:41
  because she runs right into Bud. I'm assuming she would know
• 52:44
  where Bud was at. Yeah, why was Bud just hanging
• 52:48
  outside? He wasn't allowed to come in
• 52:50
  because they thought he would be too noticeable like based on his
• 52:53
  description. OK.
• 52:54
  Because they said everybody's going to be looking for us with
• 52:56
  a big boy, yeah. Big boy Yeah, we'll just have
• 52:58
  you standing directly outside the.
• 53:00
  Restroom. Yeah, that won't be suspicious.
• 53:02
  Nobody will be uncomfortable with.
• 53:03
  That I would have loved to shout at him like at the window next
• 53:06
  to their table. Just like looking at them.
• 53:07
  He's just like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?
• 53:11
  OK, yeah. And yeah, he gets clipped by the
• 53:13
  dude and they drive away in one of the car.
• 53:15
  Soon we see the cops arrive. It's Hartman.
• 53:18
  And he's asking that last survivor what he saw, who who it
• 53:22
  was. And he gives them a loose
• 53:24
  description. And it's pretty quick.
• 53:27
  As he's sitting there bleeding on the floor and I just assumed
• 53:30
  they'd never send an ambulance. I assume that he probably just
• 53:33
  shot him after he was done questioning him.
• 53:35
  He's like, all right, I'm done with the.
• 53:37
  I feel like I was like. Yeah.
• 53:40
  Happy, an honorary Ranger. Texas Walker.
• 53:46
  Yeah, so they've taken a car, they're driving out.
• 53:49
  They end up ditching it by the edge of the woods, presumably
• 53:52
  the same thing. And they walk through and find a
• 53:56
  trailer, which smells really bad.
• 53:59
  And they figure out it smells really bad because there is a
• 54:01
  hanged corpse, which is really sad for this man.
• 54:03
  He didn't even finish all of his moonshine.
• 54:06
  Yeah, it's sad. It's sad.
• 54:09
  Looks super fucking gross in there.
• 54:11
  Yeah. So they're like, all right,
• 54:12
  well, we're just gonna set up shop here for the night and just
• 54:15
  hide out. Liz tends to Bud's wound, which
• 54:19
  is basically just saying, all right, keep pressure on it.
• 54:23
  They don't even really do anything.
• 54:25
  I know they can't really do anything, but it's just like
• 54:27
  they had to like acknowledge that he had the wound and
• 54:30
  they're like, all right, we're not going to worry about this.
• 54:31
  For take the moonshine and pour it on.
• 54:33
  There, Yeah, yeah. Show us something that we
• 54:35
  expect. She's not even that kind of
• 54:37
  nurse. Yeah, it's a different type of
• 54:39
  nurse entirely. I think like all nurses get
• 54:42
  medical training regardless of what field they go into.
• 54:45
  Oh really? Or at least they do nowadays.
• 54:46
  No, OK, yeah, maybe not in the 50s, different time could be.
• 54:50
  But yeah, then I can a clear Acer having sex on a quartz
• 54:55
  doing the deeds for way too long a time.
• 54:58
  Yeah, and then he comes out to rehydrate his liquids with a
• 55:04
  it's gotta. Get that?
• 55:05
  Gamer in. Yeah.
• 55:07
  Electrolytes, sweatpants. Great.
• 55:09
  He's sweating like the red and the blue there.
• 55:11
  Yeah. He's been drinking.
• 55:13
  He's talking to Jackson and Lizzie's like, all right,
• 55:16
  Jackson. Lizzie's like, hey, that alcohol
• 55:19
  is going to mess with your meds and it's going to disrupt your
• 55:22
  treatment. And he goes, Jackson, do you
• 55:24
  realize that? She knows what your real name
• 55:25
  is. She knows where your foster
• 55:26
  families are that beat you. She knows where your real family
• 55:29
  is. Don't you want any of that?
• 55:30
  He goes, Bud's my real family now.
• 55:31
  Yeah. Also, she's like, yeah, they
• 55:33
  didn't tell me any of that stuff.
• 55:35
  Yeah, she's like, those are separate files, which we know is
• 55:37
  not her bullshitting because that was Doctor Lang's whole
• 55:39
  thing. Yeah.
• 55:40
  Although he could have been bullshitting.
• 55:42
  It's true, but it seems like the right kind of petty that I
• 55:47
  believed it. Yeah, I guess that's true.
• 55:49
  So Bud's on watch for the night while of the others sleep, and
• 55:53
  as Bud is on watch, Wizzy tries to run for it again.
• 55:56
  Yeah, she wakes in the night, and if you thought Bud was going
• 55:58
  to catch her again, you're wrong.
• 56:00
  This time it's Isaac, who we didn't hear moving around at
• 56:04
  all, but somehow he still manages to catch her.
• 56:06
  He's holding her up against the tree.
• 56:08
  Who knows what he's about to do, but then Bud comes and
• 56:10
  intervenes and then you know. Jackson tackles and they get
• 56:13
  into a little. Fist Oh, yeah, Jackson.
• 56:15
  Yeah, sorry, my bad. And he tells her to run.
• 56:18
  And she just stands there and waits for the police to get
• 56:21
  there with a shotgun so that way she can't run.
• 56:24
  And then Ike is just basically he's yelling at everybody's
• 56:27
  like, everybody go back to the trailer.
• 56:28
  And he's just so calm to Bud. He's like, Bud, you're a waste
• 56:32
  of space. And I can't for the life of me
• 56:33
  figure out why God bothered to create.
• 56:34
  You go back to watch. Yes.
• 56:38
  So cool. Casually devastating.
• 56:40
  But didn't take too kindly to it cuz he goes to go pee and then.
• 56:44
  He pees for a long time. This is the most realistic
• 56:46
  middle of the night pee I've ever witnessed in a movie.
• 56:50
  Yeah, and as he's peeing, Bud comes up behind him and just
• 56:54
  knocks him out with something. I don't even know what it was.
• 56:56
  It's like a walk, I guess. These.
• 56:58
  Guns. Guns, right?
• 57:00
  Here. And he takes him, drags him over
• 57:03
  to a log, puts his mouth. I thought it was a rock.
• 57:07
  Oh, it might have been a rock. I thought it was a log.
• 57:08
  But it could have been a rock, it could have been a log, but I
• 57:10
  just feel like a rock would give more.
• 57:13
  More stability to what he's about to do.
• 57:15
  Yeah, he inserts whatever this natural object is into his
• 57:19
  mouth. Inserts the earth into his mouth
• 57:22
  and then he curbs, thumbs him. Yes, and he falls asleep on his
• 57:25
  body. It's like this is a nice little
• 57:27
  pillow now again. This is why it would have made
• 57:30
  sense for it to for bud to be. I know because that is that is
• 57:35
  entirely Bubba codish it. Is Scott.
• 57:39
  And the warning, Clarice goes out looking for Ike.
• 57:42
  Jackson Falls because he's looking for Bud.
• 57:44
  And Lizzie's like, hey, let's just leave and Bud can look out
• 57:48
  for himself. Lizzie run bitch.
• 57:52
  Get the fuck out of there, now is the time.
• 57:55
  Why do you want Jacqueline took you hostage?
• 57:58
  Yeah, it's so fucking stupid. And also like, you're not
• 58:02
  endearing yourself to this person by saying let's leave the
• 58:05
  only person that I heard you describe as your family.
• 58:09
  Like she has no sense of self preservation.
• 58:12
  And this is where I start to lose like any any like rooting
• 58:16
  for her that I have because I'm like, OK, you just like you just
• 58:19
  want to be caught up in this at this.
• 58:20
  Point you like, she likes the drama.
• 58:21
  Yeah, this like it's way too soon for it to be Stockholm
• 58:24
  syndrome. Yeah, it is.
• 58:25
  Yeah, you're right. It's she met these kids like 24
• 58:29
  hours ago. She just started.
• 58:31
  You're right. She has like, she doesn't even
• 58:33
  really know these people. No, Yeah.
• 58:37
  So he wakes up, Bud. And they, they know that they
• 58:42
  need to stay away from Clarice. Basically, Soros finds Clarice
• 58:45
  in the woods and Hartman and the rest of the troops come up.
• 58:49
  And you know, like Soros is trying to say, like you need to
• 58:52
  just give him an answer because he will ask once and it won't be
• 58:55
  good. And Hartman comes up and proves
• 58:57
  that's true, hits her on the head and tells everybody to go
• 59:02
  get the dogs and fan out. They can't be too far.
• 59:05
  Yeah, and Clarice tries to make a run for it and she's running
• 59:08
  through the field. He like shoots her in the.
• 59:10
  Way yeah cuz she's out and caught cops that way you.
• 59:13
  Know warning the others. Yeah, and I assume not to warn
• 59:16
  the others, but because she never found out that Ike died,
• 59:18
  which again, this could have been such an interesting way to
• 59:22
  take the movies. Clarice finds Ike dead.
• 59:24
  She is unstable. And to see her like it become,
• 59:29
  they're trying to avoid the cops and they're trying to avoid
• 59:31
  Clarice. That could have been an.
• 59:32
  Interesting way to take this. But instead she gets shot by
• 59:36
  Hartman. He drags her over to the trailer
• 59:38
  as they shoot out the trailer and then when they look, look in
• 59:41
  there, find out nobody's there, and then he just shoots her in
• 59:43
  the head. Yep, just ask.
• 59:44
  Shoots her. She's not gonna cooperate.
• 59:46
  Which I mean, she was antagonizing him, but also he
• 59:50
  has almost single handedly filled that the Gorman.
• 59:53
  It's complicated. He's just.
• 59:55
  Complicated relationships and execution, yes.
• 59:57
  Yes. And that's why these are
• 59:58
  supposed to be separate entities, yes.
• 1:00:01
  Not one person is supposed to play God on people's lives.
• 1:00:05
  So the others are, they're making their run for it and they
• 1:00:08
  hear the dogs are now out and about and they come across a
• 1:00:12
  dead cow. And they, they must have before
• 1:00:17
  Star Wars even they just like took a page out of Star Wars and
• 1:00:21
  just like got inside the cow and just hides inside of it.
• 1:00:25
  This is a common misconception that Star Wars takes place in
• 1:00:27
  the future, but if you pay attention to the scrolling
• 1:00:29
  dialogue a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away.
• 1:00:32
  So maybe they haven't seen the movie, but they've just heard
• 1:00:35
  tale of factual, factual events. Word gets around.
• 1:00:39
  Yeah, yeah. People talk.
• 1:00:45
  Man, we're fucking stupid. All right, you've got your two
• 1:00:52
  cups of coffee. I threw up the first half of my
• 1:00:54
  cup this morning so at least I have an excuse.
• 1:00:56
  That's a good balance, man. I'm dragging you down to my
• 1:01:00
  level right here. All right, So they crawl out and
• 1:01:04
  now and. This this is a shot that I feel
• 1:01:07
  like I've seen as like a thumbnail for the movie.
• 1:01:10
  I wish it was more of like a poster moment where you just see
• 1:01:13
  the eye poking out from the cut. And yeah, it's a cut shot.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah, it's. Like you were talking about poor
• 1:01:18
  good cinematography. Yeah, they climb out and they're
• 1:01:23
  just all kind of shell shocked. They walk and what, rinse their
• 1:01:29
  faces off in the Creek? Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  And they? That's not a Creek, that's a
• 1:01:34
  Creek. That's Creek.
• 1:01:35
  That's Creek. Yeah, they're walking in, they
• 1:01:37
  find a bridge which has a cop driving over it and Lizzie's
• 1:01:41
  like, OK, here's my chance, I'm going to wave down the cop.
• 1:01:43
  So they she gets the cops attention and starts running
• 1:01:46
  towards him. And now I also have to ask, why
• 1:01:50
  are Jackson and Bud so bad at running away?
• 1:01:52
  Because they didn't have to follow after her.
• 1:01:54
  They could have just gone the other way and Lizzie would have
• 1:01:56
  been dealing with the cops. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:57
  In fact, it's even worse than that.
• 1:01:59
  Bud goes ahead. What is Bud's plan here?
• 1:02:02
  He charges the cop. He takes a shot and then tackles
• 1:02:07
  the cop and then the cop shoots him in the head.
• 1:02:09
  What was his plan? What was the like?
• 1:02:11
  He could have just kept going away, Him and Jackson, I don't
• 1:02:15
  understand what the fuck happened here.
• 1:02:17
  They just needed to kill this character and that was the best
• 1:02:20
  that they could come up with. That's really all that matters
• 1:02:24
  or all it boils down to, I feel. Yeah, they just want everybody
• 1:02:27
  to be shocked because we were supposed to think that Bud was
• 1:02:29
  butt. Yeah, any Leatherface?
• 1:02:31
  Yeah, OK. So Lizzie takes the car as
• 1:02:35
  Jackson is beating the cop to death and he jumps in and he is
• 1:02:39
  like shouting at her, blaming her for running, blaming her for
• 1:02:43
  Bud's death. You're just like all of them.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, and then Hartman is following and he shoots through
• 1:02:48
  the windshield, manages to shred the side of Jackson's face,
• 1:02:51
  goes. Right through his cheek, both
• 1:02:53
  sides. Yeah, it's bad.
• 1:02:55
  And the car crashes That night. Lizzie wakes up, she's cuffed in
• 1:03:00
  the back of Hartman's car and hears the radio going off.
• 1:03:02
  It's Sorrels. And she's like, hey, I'm Lizzie,
• 1:03:05
  I was taken hostage. I'm in the back of a car.
• 1:03:08
  And he says, what do you see? And she's like, I see an old
• 1:03:12
  barn, looks like it's ready to collapse.
• 1:03:13
  Sort of said perfect know exactly where that is.
• 1:03:16
  He sends troops out to that spot and he goes to Verna's.
• 1:03:19
  She talked to her because he is her man on the inside.
• 1:03:23
  We had a little snippet of this before where I think they were
• 1:03:25
  trying to make you think it was Farnsworth, because she's
• 1:03:28
  talking about it like before the breakout.
• 1:03:30
  Yeah, it's just like, OK, yes, yes, I'll pay you whatever.
• 1:03:33
  Yeah. And we see her on the phone a
• 1:03:35
  little bit later where she says, OK, OK, Just keep an eye out for
• 1:03:38
  Jed. Yeah, and that's why he says
• 1:03:40
  he's like, all right, I held up my end of the bargain.
• 1:03:42
  I told you where Jed is, you know, so you can go get him now.
• 1:03:45
  And she gives us some money. But then.
• 1:03:48
  She does the fucky thing though where she just like.
• 1:03:50
  Throws it, yeah. And Drayton comes out from
• 1:03:52
  behind and stabs not to death because he needs to get the
• 1:03:56
  Hannibal treatment and get eaten live by piggies.
• 1:03:59
  Yeah, just toss into the pigpen and he gets gobbled up.
• 1:04:03
  Well, at first cuz she she like tosses the money Drayton stabs
• 1:04:06
  and she says pigs. And I thought she was just like
• 1:04:09
  talking about cops in general. I thought so too.
• 1:04:11
  I like, I really didn't question it.
• 1:04:12
  And then I saw him being dragged to the pigs and I was like, oh,
• 1:04:15
  that was an order. I I just still don't understand
• 1:04:17
  like OK, they're supposed to be cannibals.
• 1:04:20
  Like why are we doing the pig thing?
• 1:04:22
  It just it didn't make any. Sense.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, all right. It's.
• 1:04:25
  This movie abandons the roots of like everything that was
• 1:04:28
  established before. Yeah.
• 1:04:29
  And whatever reason, one very egregious one, which I will
• 1:04:31
  bring up at the end, yeah. So we now see at the barn, we
• 1:04:37
  have Hartman there, he has Jackson, or as he reveals now,
• 1:04:41
  that's Jed tied up and he's hung up and he's about to drop him
• 1:04:46
  into the pit that his daughter fell.
• 1:04:48
  In and he's got Lizzie tied up too not entirely sure what the
• 1:04:51
  plan is for her Verna comes in and his whole thing the whole
• 1:04:54
  time with Verna has been you take mine I'm going to take all
• 1:04:57
  of yours right so he tells Verna when she walks in that first of
• 1:05:01
  all send your kids out here cuz I know I saw your just don't
• 1:05:04
  travel alone he goes I have here your son nephew which is it
• 1:05:08
  which was my question earlier in the movie he said maybe both and
• 1:05:11
  then he said maybe both and I was.
• 1:05:13
  Like could be. Could be, could be.
• 1:05:16
  So yeah, he's a he doesn't know. He doesn't know that the others
• 1:05:20
  are there and they kind of come out from the shadows.
• 1:05:23
  They emerge. He knew that some more were
• 1:05:25
  there. I don't think she revealed how
• 1:05:27
  many came with her. Yeah, he's cornered like all
• 1:05:29
  around. Here, Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  So he gets whacked, they pulled Jed up from the hole and then we
• 1:05:36
  cut back to the Sawyer farm and she is sewn up his face and then
• 1:05:42
  she puts horse reins on him. Yeah, it's like.
• 1:05:46
  Says it'll hold it in place. Supposed to be like a little.
• 1:05:49
  It reminded me of the mask from the new beginning that Weather
• 1:05:53
  Face has. Except that one was like more
• 1:05:55
  solid. But the new beginning, the
• 1:05:57
  beginning. Yeah, Yeah, it was.
• 1:05:58
  It was more solid. Yeah, I did.
• 1:06:00
  I don't know. I guess she was like, this will
• 1:06:01
  heal you. I don't know.
• 1:06:03
  She's, no, she's saying that it'll hold it in place until,
• 1:06:05
  like, the skin starts to stitch itself together.
• 1:06:08
  Basically like the stitches itself wasn't going to hold his
• 1:06:10
  jaw up. Yeah, his jaw presumably got
• 1:06:13
  broken too, which is why he can't talk super well.
• 1:06:16
  And also, his face probably really fucking hurts.
• 1:06:19
  I guess that makes sense. So Lizzie wakes up in the house.
• 1:06:24
  Yeah, and we know it's the house because there's chicken feathers
• 1:06:26
  all over the floor. Yeah.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah, and Hartman is? There, too, which it seems weird
• 1:06:31
  that we're like, OK, last we left her, she was in a barn.
• 1:06:35
  Now there are chicken feathers on her.
• 1:06:36
  Surely she is inside a house. Yeah, that's how things work in
• 1:06:39
  the Texas Chainsaw universe. You know what?
• 1:06:41
  That's that's so true. Yeah, so she gets up, she unties
• 1:06:45
  herself, and then Hartman's like, hey, can you untie me too?
• 1:06:48
  She goes, what were you going to do to me?
• 1:06:50
  He goes. Honestly, I don't know.
• 1:06:52
  I just mad I see you in red. And because Lizzie has no sense
• 1:06:56
  of self preservation. She frees him.
• 1:06:58
  She frees him and she's helping him sneak out through the house
• 1:07:00
  because he's limping real bad. And guess what?
• 1:07:02
  People limping real bad aren't so great at sneaking.
• 1:07:05
  So Nevins and Drayton grab them both and bring them out to the
• 1:07:08
  living room and Jed comes out with his chainsaw and he saws
• 1:07:17
  up. Hartman does it slowly.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah, it starts with the hands and then he works his way to the
• 1:07:24
  tummy. Yeah, and the whole time
• 1:07:26
  Lizzie's trying to say like, don't do this, don't do this.
• 1:07:28
  And she manages to get herself free.
• 1:07:31
  She goes running. She gets caught in a bear trap
• 1:07:34
  and Jed is following with his chainsaw.
• 1:07:37
  He gets there and she's like, please don't do this.
• 1:07:39
  It seems like she's having some sort of appeal.
• 1:07:42
  It seems like it's going well. Verna comes up and she's like,
• 1:07:46
  do it, Jed, like she hurt our family.
• 1:07:48
  She. Outsiders you can't trust.
• 1:07:50
  Them can't trust outsiders. And then Lizzie, queen of lack
• 1:07:55
  of self preservation, says this isn't you, this is just your
• 1:07:59
  crazy mom. Boom boom, instant decapitation.
• 1:08:02
  Head cut off Shoof. So we cut to the next day and we
• 1:08:08
  see Vernon. She's burning the clothes of
• 1:08:10
  both of them and it's weird. That this is the next day,
• 1:08:13
  because it clearly is, by the way they're disposing of the
• 1:08:16
  bodies and the clothes. And the sunlight.
• 1:08:17
  And the sunlight. But he has taken his reins off
• 1:08:20
  his face and it looks like his stitches have healed some.
• 1:08:23
  You're right. Yeah, it is a little bit strange
• 1:08:25
  here. I don't know that lack of
• 1:08:27
  consistency. But he's down there listening to
• 1:08:29
  Patti LaSalle. Yeah, like the others are
• 1:08:32
  feeding the we're we're assuming the corpses to the pigs and it
• 1:08:36
  starts at the house and goes downstairs and we're panning
• 1:08:39
  into weather faces where and he's making his first face.
• 1:08:43
  Yeah, they said as long as you kill every so often, you can do
• 1:08:47
  all of your arts and crafts. In fact, this is how we will
• 1:08:49
  source your supplies. You know what's cool, though?
• 1:08:51
  I do like this. This is the Pretty Woman face.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah. Because it's Lizzy and he like
• 1:08:58
  it makes the face. And then we see him get the
• 1:08:59
  lipstick. Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  You know what my biggest problem was?
• 1:09:04
  Jackson being Jed or Bubba. What?
• 1:09:08
  He wasn't killing people that trespassed in his house.
• 1:09:11
  No, he. Wasn't that's such a that's
• 1:09:13
  again, that's another important piece of Leatherface.
• 1:09:17
  True, he also does listen to his family.
• 1:09:19
  He does listen to his family. He does get pressured by his
• 1:09:21
  family. I just wish we could have seen
• 1:09:22
  like 1 moment of like, you intruded in my space, you
• 1:09:26
  intruded in my home. That's a big no no for me.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah. I just, it just doesn't make
• 1:09:32
  sense because this isn't the Leatherface that we see and then
• 1:09:34
  like the original, like he, it's just a completely different
• 1:09:39
  person. I just, I I hate that this is
• 1:09:41
  who we made Leatherface in this movie.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah, and it just, it feels also arbitrary because they didn't
• 1:09:46
  want us to think that Bud was him.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, just make it bud, man. Like it's.
• 1:09:51
  Just fucking stupid. Because that's the thing with
• 1:09:52
  prequels is that we know we're going to eventually get to X
• 1:09:55
  point, right? We know what's going to happen.
• 1:09:58
  So you have to keep it interesting, but you don't have
• 1:10:00
  to put in a plot twist just to make it interesting.
• 1:10:02
  You can just make an engaging story.
• 1:10:06
  Yeah, just do that. Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  I don't know, Like, you could have had two big dudes.
• 1:10:11
  Which one's going to be a weather face?
• 1:10:13
  I don't know. They're both like very similar.
• 1:10:14
  They like, have they formed a bond in the institution and, you
• 1:10:18
  know, they're together and, like, OK, well, you think this
• 1:10:20
  guy's going to be leather face? No, it's the other big dude.
• 1:10:22
  And that's the other thing. I knew that Jackson is so much
• 1:10:24
  shorter and now his jaw is broken and messed up.
• 1:10:27
  How is he actually going to get like the big build?
• 1:10:29
  Yeah. Does he just get depressed and
• 1:10:31
  just gain a lot of weight? Is that what we're building up
• 1:10:33
  to? I don't know, just bullshit.
• 1:10:37
  I don't like this. So I'm, I don't think it's as
• 1:10:41
  boring as I remembered it, man. Yeah, but I still, like you
• 1:10:47
  said, it's still very solidly last in the franchise for me.
• 1:10:49
  Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 1:10:51
  I'm gonna keep mine at A5. I think I've pointed out plenty
• 1:10:53
  of things that I would change. Same, I'm knocking mine down to
• 1:10:57
  5.5 here. Just that pisses me off.
• 1:10:59
  I fucking hate that I it's just that that's not him.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, it just, it took away a lot of like the important pieces
• 1:11:07
  of him. It did.
• 1:11:08
  I mean, like, you don't have to change that part of his
• 1:11:10
  character. We.
• 1:11:12
  We've been joking about the arts and crafts, which isn't like
• 1:11:14
  really a joke because that is kind of his thing.
• 1:11:16
  But like, that's how we meet Bud in Gorman House as he is
• 1:11:19
  coloring and Jackson's just kind of like watching him color.
• 1:11:22
  You know, I think it also would have been interesting to just
• 1:11:24
  have like, a little scene of him like, you know, doing like a
• 1:11:27
  little bit of the cross dress thing, like showing interest in
• 1:11:29
  that. Yeah.
• 1:11:30
  You know, like that way we're like building to that last
• 1:11:32
  moment of him putting on the like Lizzie's face, you know?
• 1:11:35
  Talk about that. Because in the 1950s, that would
• 1:11:37
  have been seen as something like, they would have been like,
• 1:11:41
  oh, definitely mentally unwell with this, right that.
• 1:11:43
  Could have been one of the things they brought up in like
• 1:11:44
  the institution, like he likes to wear women's clothes.
• 1:11:47
  Like, you know, like that would have been like a thing that they
• 1:11:49
  would have been like bad on in the institution back in the 50s.
• 1:11:54
  Yeah, that definitely would have been something that would have
• 1:11:56
  come up. So I just.
• 1:11:56
  Feel like that would have been interesting to like have that,
• 1:11:59
  like if we're gonna explore his character, explored that too.
• 1:12:01
  Cuz I mean, clearly that's a big part of his character.
• 1:12:04
  Yeah. And again, it just feels like
• 1:12:05
  they're like, well, you've seen the rest of these.
• 1:12:07
  You know how this ends. Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  And it just, it kind of feels like a slap in the face.
• 1:12:10
  It does, yeah. Talia obviously, she didn't like
• 1:12:16
  that the one guy that defended a dog got killed, and she doesn't
• 1:12:20
  like that all these cows are dead.
• 1:12:21
  That's true, cows are her favorite.
• 1:12:23
  This is this is a three for Talia. 3 strikes, you're out.
• 1:12:29
  That's it, yeah. Who is Zoe's ultimate warrior?
• 1:12:36
  I think it's Clarice because Clarice make sure that she gets
• 1:12:41
  a meal in the diner before causing chaos.
• 1:12:43
  And again, she plays with her corpses.
• 1:12:45
  She plays with her corpses, yeah, which are her little
• 1:12:48
  stuffed mooses. And that's true.
• 1:12:51
  I agree with. You also she's got a Kitty
• 1:12:55
  cousin named Clarice. She does?
• 1:12:57
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:12:58
  Who'd you relate to? Who did I relate to?
• 1:13:01
  Oh goodness. Dang.
• 1:13:08
  I know who I related to. Who did you relate to?
• 1:13:11
  I relate to mustache in the bar there that's just side eye and
• 1:13:13
  the fucking rowdy ass kids in the diner.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah 'cause like I would have done the same.
• 1:13:19
  I. Guess I probably relate to.
• 1:13:25
  I probably relate to. I don't know who I relate to.
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  How about relate to Lizzie? Because, I don't know, she had
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  her bad moments, but she at least had compassion.
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  Yeah, but I feel like I would be.
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  I hope I would be better at escaping.
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  I don't know. I have talked a lot about how I
• 1:13:41
  don't have the will to survive. A horror?
• 1:13:42
  Maybe you also have asthma? Wow, that's personal.
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  I totally appreciate you sharing my medical information.
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  I'm sorry. Yes, weeping man.
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  I don't know, I guess I relate to, I probably relate to farms
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  where it's like just trying to do my job and being like, oh
• 1:14:08
  shit, why is this my job? You would be that.
• 1:14:10
  That's like that. That's the men's.
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  Yeah, like, like I'm trying to do the right thing, but you're
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  making it really hard for me to do the right thing, Yeah.
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  OK, I can see that. All right.
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  Well, I guess tagline. All right, what was your?
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, 'cause we don't do, we don't do dream sequel for this,
• 1:14:30
  we just do. What do we call this one?
• 1:14:32
  Yeah, which, what do we call this one?
• 1:14:43
  It's a valid question because we already have a movie called
• 1:14:46
  Leatherface in the franchise. Yeah, I think we called that one
• 1:14:50
  joyride, Like, yeah, I think Joyride 4.
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  So yeah, maybe this one will be Pulp Fiction too.
• 1:14:59
  No, come on. It's got to be something that
• 1:15:01
  stands out a little bit more than that.
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  Because I I guarantee you if I say that you're not going to be,
• 1:15:06
  What the fuck are you talking about?
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  And when I think of this one, I just think of this one as the
• 1:15:11
  crime drama. The crime drama.
• 1:15:13
  Yeah, like the fugitives. The on the lamb, Yeah, on the
• 1:15:19
  lamb one. Leatherface on the lamb.
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  Leatherface on the lamb. OK, there we go.
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  We'll make it that. OK.
• 1:15:24
  OK. All right.
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  Tagline. Tagline.
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  What is your tagline? You're so excited.
• 1:15:29
  It's I think it's great. It's weather face goes babyface
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  because he's a good guy in this movie.
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  And also, he's younger, so he's got the babyface and you know,
• 1:15:39
  we see him before his face gets mutilated.
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, we do get the heel turn at the end, we do, but.
• 1:15:43
  Exactly. See, I think it's like it works
• 1:15:45
  on many levels. OK, Leatherface goes babyface.
• 1:15:48
  Thank you. You're so excited about it.
• 1:15:49
  Thank you. I'm really proud of that.
• 1:15:53
  All right, And I guess it's time for reviews then.
• 1:15:55
  OK, I wasn't sure how we were gonna land, so I'd gotten a good
• 1:16:00
  and a bad one. OK so I'm actually gonna read
• 1:16:04
  both because I wanna get more varied perspectives.
• 1:16:07
  Cuz we're in the middle there, so I guess it's fair to do both.
• 1:16:11
  I'll start with the lower one. OK one out of 10.
• 1:16:15
  Here's your classic lazy script cliche movie with stupid victims
• 1:16:18
  who are too dumb to escape no matter if they are full on
• 1:16:21
  running and the chaser is walking.
• 1:16:22
  Classic tripping classic. Broken twig while hiding in the
• 1:16:25
  woods conveniently revealing your location.
• 1:16:27
  And was it just me or did anyone else notice stupidly obvious and
• 1:16:31
  lame RIP offs of wannabe copies of famous scenes from actual
• 1:16:34
  good movies? Pulp Fiction diner scene,
• 1:16:37
  necromantic sex scene, Hannibal pig scene, American story X.
• 1:16:40
  It's American History X mouth stomp execution scan.
• 1:16:44
  OK, stop. And I would venture to say they
• 1:16:47
  wanted to copy as well, the mommy thing from Friday the
• 1:16:49
  13th. I think that part's a stretch,
• 1:16:53
  but I agree with the other ones, they are all it.
• 1:16:56
  Was a mommy thing and I even had a beheading.
• 1:16:59
  OK. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:17:02
  OK. I was not exciting a great
• 1:17:03
  movie, never been a big fan of the franchise, but I was
• 1:17:05
  certainly not expecting such a lame film.
• 1:17:07
  Sorry for those who are or were fans.
• 1:17:09
  This movie is certainly an insult to them.
• 1:17:11
  Watch it out of curiosity if you we have absolutely nothing else
• 1:17:13
  to do with an hour and a half and feel like meh, that's about
• 1:17:15
  it. Meh.
• 1:17:17
  I mean, I guess yeah, I like. I do think it's weird to like
• 1:17:20
  watch the movie if you're not a fan of the franchise already.
• 1:17:23
  Like, I think for us being fans of it and this being such a
• 1:17:26
  different tone, it makes sense where we got a little bit.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, I think if you're not a fan of the franchise, you might
• 1:17:32
  be more open to this one. Yeah.
• 1:17:34
  All right. 10 out of 10 I saw this movie a couple of days ago
• 1:17:39
  and let me tell you this this movie was beyond great.
• 1:17:42
  It was amazing and the story is great and full of intense
• 1:17:44
  moments and a bit of mystery too.
• 1:17:46
  I liked every scene of the movie and every character was built
• 1:17:48
  very great by directors of the movie especially the characters
• 1:17:51
  of Stephen Dorff, Lily Taylor, Boris Kobachev, Young Judd and
• 1:17:57
  Sam Coleman and Sam Strike older version of Judd.
• 1:18:02
  This movie had some great glory scenes too and a few scenes that
• 1:18:04
  were kind of scary. Again the origin story of
• 1:18:06
  Leatherface was slash is great and for me this movie was way
• 1:18:09
  better than the Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2013, Texas Chainsaw
• 1:18:12
  Massacre at the beginning and Leatherface Texas Chainsaw
• 1:18:15
  Massacre 3/19/90. Wow.
• 1:18:18
  But I didn't like and what kind of happened in almost all the
• 1:18:21
  Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies except the original movie from
• 1:18:23
  1974 was the ending. Overall, this movie was great.
• 1:18:27
  Was amazing, or at least a great horror movie.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, OK, well, I'm glad it worked for them, but God, I
• 1:18:33
  just, I don't really. This movie is so much.
• 1:18:36
  It's just it's too different. Like it doesn't even feel like
• 1:18:39
  it fits in the franchise all. Right.
• 1:18:41
  Honestly, I think if they hadn't tried so hard to have that twist
• 1:18:44
  of Jackson being Jed, I think, and if they had toyed with maybe
• 1:18:49
  like Clarice becoming the new threat, it would have been
• 1:18:51
  interesting and kept the tension going for me.
• 1:18:55
  But I do agree with some of these points that the
• 1:18:57
  characters, I think their performances were all really
• 1:19:00
  good. Yeah, I agree with that too.
• 1:19:02
  Yeah. And it's definitely like a
• 1:19:06
  different kind of origin story. I disagree about it being better
• 1:19:09
  than Leatherface from 1990. I don't agree with any of that
• 1:19:14
  at all. Yeah, it's just I I really wish
• 1:19:18
  like the movie kept the slasher aspect of it too, like on the
• 1:19:22
  run have have them all be into killing.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, like we have so much tension built in with those
• 1:19:28
  characters, and I really wish that we could have utilized it
• 1:19:31
  like, instead of it just being like for nothing.
• 1:19:34
  They're on the run, They don't have food.
• 1:19:36
  They kill and they eat people on the run and.
• 1:19:39
  What if? What if, hear me out, Clarice
• 1:19:46
  did find Ike's body and next to his body it was like a little
• 1:19:50
  piece of twine or some jewelry that he'd stolen cuz he was
• 1:19:53
  gonna fruit. That was that were a bit of a
• 1:19:56
  Zener trope. Honestly, and thinking of that,
• 1:20:00
  it could have been cool if like Weatherface made his first face
• 1:20:03
  off of Ike. Yeah, like there's so many ways
• 1:20:05
  that we could have tied this into even just those other two
• 1:20:08
  movies that the writer wants to consider Canon.
• 1:20:12
  There's so many ways that we could have done that and made
• 1:20:14
  this movie feel more like a text chance on movie, but different
• 1:20:18
  enough to be unique in the in the franchise.
• 1:20:22
  Yeah. But this is what we got.
• 1:20:24
  This is what we got. We have.
• 1:20:25
  To live with this. Yeah, maybe age 24 will be able
• 1:20:28
  to do something with it. Perhaps.
• 1:20:30
  We shall see. Do we have listener reviews?
• 1:20:32
  We do. Yay.
• 1:20:33
  So let's take a look here. Let's look see what y'all
• 1:20:36
  thought of this one. Y'all.
• 1:20:38
  Y'all all right. So I only have one right now and
• 1:20:41
  it is from Michael E Howard. OK, who says?
• 1:20:45
  I truly wanted to like Leatherface as a TCM movie but
• 1:20:49
  it missed the mark a bit for me. Parts of the movie felt like a
• 1:20:52
  Bonnie and Quiet slash natural born killer hybrid.
• 1:20:55
  Here's the thing, I almost said Natural Born Killers, but you
• 1:20:57
  really didn't want to go with another reference for the movie,
• 1:21:00
  so I kept it to myself. All right.
• 1:21:02
  Well, here we go. Thank you, Michael.
• 1:21:03
  Thank you, Michael. The reveal about who leather
• 1:21:05
  faces was confusing. Jackson slash.
• 1:21:08
  Jed was too scrawny to be what we have come to know as a
• 1:21:12
  Leatherface. Plus, he went from likable to
• 1:21:14
  horrible evil, all from a gunshot.
• 1:21:17
  I wanted to like it more. It had some great potential, but
• 1:21:20
  fell short for me. 7 on 10. OK, yeah.
• 1:21:23
  I mean, you pretty much summed up a lot of things that we said
• 1:21:25
  too there. Like, it's just it's not.
• 1:21:27
  That's not Bubba. That is not Bubba.
• 1:21:32
  Part of what's so engaging about Leatherface is that even without
• 1:21:36
  him talking, is we get so much characterization and you feel so
• 1:21:41
  much for him for being a product of his circumstances.
• 1:21:44
  And I feel like they tried to get that point across, but they
• 1:21:47
  just didn't do it in the way Texas Chainsaw has done it.
• 1:21:50
  Yeah, for several movies before. I, I wanna have sympathy for
• 1:21:53
  that character cuz I, I do like he's terrifying, but you also
• 1:21:57
  feel sorry for him. Yeah, he's a complex.
• 1:21:59
  That's what makes him so long lasting and so interesting as a
• 1:22:03
  horror movie villain is because there is a lot of depth and
• 1:22:07
  context surrounding him and it's.
• 1:22:10
  Just dumb. Yeah, it's just dumb.
• 1:22:11
  Jackson was a terrible person for that to be Weatherface.
• 1:22:15
  Yeah, OK, that's it then. That's it for our reviews.
• 1:22:19
  And I guess that means that's it for a Leatherface.
• 1:22:22
  Next week is our 300th movie. 300th episode.
• 1:22:25
  Everybody Next. Week and we had to do something
• 1:22:27
  special. We did we we refused when we
• 1:22:30
  were. Doing the schedule, we were
• 1:22:32
  like, we're not doing Leatherface last week of the
• 1:22:33
  month because that will not be our three. 100th movie.
• 1:22:35
  Yeah, it's not going to be episode 300.
• 1:22:37
  We have a better win in mind. What?
• 1:22:42
  No SO. We're watching The Happening.
• 1:22:44
  We're talking, We bought The Happening at Half Price Books.
• 1:22:48
  Everything just felt right. It fell into our laps.
• 1:22:51
  If you haven't watched it in a while, you will have to rent it.
• 1:22:53
  But you know what? It's worth the $4.00 just to
• 1:22:56
  like relive that movie. You can rent it from YouTube,
• 1:22:59
  Google TV or Fandango at home. That's right.
• 1:23:03
  So yeah. Next week we're Marky Mark and
• 1:23:06
  y'all are the Funky bunch. Marky Mark, y'all are the funky.
• 1:23:12
  Bunch that is right, so I'm looking forward to that that's
• 1:23:16
  gonna be great. I feel like that is a perfect
• 1:23:18
  three hundredth episode for us to talk here.
• 1:23:21
  We're gonna have a. Great time.
• 1:23:22
  We're we are Shyamalan Ford in this household.
• 1:23:25
  Really excited to rewatch this movie from a podcasting
• 1:23:28
  perspective and to talk because we will have fun with it
• 1:23:31
  regardless of what objectively or subjectively this movie does
• 1:23:35
  for us. Yeah, it's fun to talk about
• 1:23:37
  regardless. We had like a 10 minute
• 1:23:39
  conversation with the cashier at Half Price Books about that.
• 1:23:44
  He was he was like questioning our purchase.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah. He got really mad about the
• 1:23:48
  movie. And then the more we were
• 1:23:49
  laughing and saying how excited we were, he like, was like, Oh,
• 1:23:53
  yeah, yeah. I'm not.
• 1:23:55
  I will not back down. I will talk positively about
• 1:23:58
  this movie. Maybe, I don't know, I've only
• 1:24:00
  watched it one time. Supposed to be on a second.
• 1:24:02
  I'm really curious I I've watched it several times in high
• 1:24:06
  school, but I'm excited to talk about it from this.
• 1:24:08
  Respect all. Right.
• 1:24:09
  So we have the the happening expert on our show next week,
• 1:24:13
  which happens to be Jesse. Yeah, as it happens.
• 1:24:16
  As it happens. All right, cool.
• 1:24:18
  So, you know, be excited. Be on the lookout for that.
• 1:24:20
  I'm we're we're not going to wait till next week.
• 1:24:22
  I'm going to say it now. Donnie could do the happening
• 1:24:25
  Mark to Mark could not do so to you.
• 1:24:28
  I agree. I agree.
• 1:24:31
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• 1:24:36
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• 1:26:07
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• 1:26:13
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• 1:26:17
  instead of the names.