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Systemic and Culture Discussion + Bears Review | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, October fourteenth.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jetuars Happy Hour, Jaguar's Happy Hours, brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by Jet Home Loans.
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  Speaker 1: And now a guy who wants to remind everyone to
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  Speaker 1: always mine the.
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  Speaker 2: Gap, Shay p Chemy.
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  Speaker 3: There certainly is one right about now. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 4: It is Jaguars Happy Hour, Monday October fourteenth, the first
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  Speaker 4: Hour presented by Jet Home Loans and we are at
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  Speaker 4: the Grove just outside of Watford, northwest of London, team
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  Speaker 4: headquarters for the week, going in to the game at
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  Speaker 4: Wimbley This week the Jaguars host the Patriots. But we've
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  Speaker 4: got plenty to attend to today. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 4: on the show. After the Jags lost to the Bears
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  Speaker 4: at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium yesterday thirty five sixteen, the final
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  Speaker 4: penalties drops coverage issue. We'll keep it real. I think
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  Speaker 4: it will be two hours of that. Fanatics, fan questions
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  Speaker 4: will go around. The NFL also lots to cover today.
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  Speaker 4: Tony Boselli with me here in England and Pete Prisco
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  Speaker 4: is with us on the line down in South Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Tony, good afternoon, Good to see you. Yeah, it's good
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  Speaker 2: to be here. What a beautiful place. The grove is
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  Speaker 2: HQ for London. Here in Jaguar it's great.
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  Speaker 5: It's this old like kind of Victorian like, this is
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  Speaker 5: a house we're in right now, and they added a
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  Speaker 5: resort around a great golf course. I'm not gonna be
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  Speaker 5: able to play, but besides that, it's beautiful. Unfortunately, what
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  Speaker 5: we saw on the field yesterday not so pretty. I
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  Speaker 5: wish the play was as nice as this beautiful resort
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  Speaker 5: we're staying out right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not quite yet, Pete. Here we are. Jaguars are
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  Speaker 2: one and five.
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  Speaker 3: Good afternoon, a jolly good time in London.
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  Speaker 1: It was not had by all, was it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my.
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  Speaker 1: Gosh, what an awful.
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  Speaker 3: Showing on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many things to talk about
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to that game.
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  Speaker 3: It was as bad.
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  Speaker 1: Look, the Buffalo game was awful, but Buffalo is a
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  Speaker 1: good team.
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  Speaker 3: The Bears, you know they're okay.
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  Speaker 1: But that was just it was just disgusting all the
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  Speaker 1: way across the board. I mean, from the stakes to
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  Speaker 1: drop touchdown passes, to band interception, to an underthrown deep ball,
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  Speaker 1: to guys not making tackles, no interior pass rush at all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't great from the outside either, but
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  Speaker 1: they got nothing on the interior.
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  Speaker 2: It was awful.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's no other way to describe it, and something
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  Speaker 1: has to be done. Something has to be done.
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  Speaker 5: So pete a couple things, three points and we can
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  Speaker 5: kind of frame. Let me say the first thing you
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  Speaker 5: brought up the underthrown pass by Trevor, and I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to start the shows. I actually think Trevor played pretty well.
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  Speaker 5: If you watch during the game, it didn't feel like
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  Speaker 5: because everything was going so wrong. But going back and
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  Speaker 5: watching the tape today, the underthrown ball was bad. I
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  Speaker 5: had no issue with the interception. It was interception, don't
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  Speaker 5: want it. But they're down I think two or three.
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  Speaker 5: Scorer is late third and fifteen. He's trying to make
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  Speaker 5: something happen. But my goodness, they had four dropped touchdown passes,
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  Speaker 5: and I thought he made some really nice throws. I
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  Speaker 5: thought he used his feet effectively when he had to.
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  Speaker 5: Like Trevor, Lawrence was not the problem. So let's just
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  Speaker 5: set that aside. The two big issues I have coming
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  Speaker 5: out of yesterday's game. It's actually what was said in
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  Speaker 5: the post game, which I think is a reflection of
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  Speaker 5: how the game went yesterday and how the season has
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  Speaker 5: gone so far. At one in five is Andre Cisco
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  Speaker 5: was interviewed by Brent Martineau and he used the term quit.
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  Speaker 3: I might quit.
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  Speaker 5: This is week six and we're talking about guys quitting
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  Speaker 5: on the field from one of the players that people
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  Speaker 5: are counting on and calling out defenders for. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: first of all, if that's true, it's it's inexcusable. Second all,
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  Speaker 5: you don't say that publicly. You handled that behind closed doors,
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  Speaker 5: in my opinion. And then the second thing is in
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  Speaker 5: the post game, Doug Peterson was talking I believe it
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  Speaker 5: was to Bucky and talking about there's a cultural issue
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  Speaker 5: and the culture needs to change. I'm like, wow, that's
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  Speaker 5: where we are respons the culture. Well, the head coaches,
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  Speaker 5: ultimately the head coach. I mean, you could say the
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  Speaker 5: GM the two of them together are responsible for the
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  Speaker 5: culture of the of the football side of the building,
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  Speaker 5: if they really.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, but Pete, that's what the players have a
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  Speaker 4: hand in that too, right, they have to go execute
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  Speaker 4: that culture.
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  Speaker 5: No, okay, I agree with that. At the end of
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  Speaker 5: the day. You know where I'm gonna stand on this.
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  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, it's the players are responsible.
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  Speaker 5: What you put on the field is your responsibility. When
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  Speaker 5: you turn on the tape and I turned on the
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  Speaker 5: tape and you see jogging and you see drops, and
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  Speaker 5: you see not getting off the field and extending possessions.
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  Speaker 5: Because twelve men on the field, like you see that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, that is the players. The players are
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  Speaker 5: ultimately responsible for the play on the field. The coach's
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  Speaker 5: job is to put them in the right position. I
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  Speaker 5: bring those two things up, Pete, because at one and
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  Speaker 5: five and getting blown out yesterday by a rookie quarterback
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  Speaker 5: and then to have those two comments are very concerning
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  Speaker 5: to me because that is a sign of more systemic issues.
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  Speaker 2: That go beyond just being one in five.
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  Speaker 5: Now they might be leading to the leading to the
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  Speaker 5: one and five, but those are big issues. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you've been around to the league a long time. I've
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  Speaker 5: played and been around it. When you start hearing quit
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  Speaker 5: in cultural issues, my goodness, I did not.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have that. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The only other word you don't want to hear is
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  Speaker 1: thrown in there is soft. Throw that one in there
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  Speaker 1: if you want to. I mean that that one is
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  Speaker 1: the real that that tears at the fabric of a
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  Speaker 1: football team.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm with you, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: Look, as a journalist, I love that Brett Martineau got
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  Speaker 1: him to say that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: If I was the football coach, he'd be called into
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  Speaker 1: my office the next day and I say, what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Why would you put that out there?
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  Speaker 1: If you have a problem with people in this on
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  Speaker 1: this team who you think are not playing to the
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  Speaker 1: umph whistle and you know, playing every play, then you
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  Speaker 1: know maybe you need to say something to them privately
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  Speaker 1: or say something to me, and I will. But the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is you pop on the tape. There is jogging,
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  Speaker 1: there's not finishing plays. You know, there's there's I put
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  Speaker 1: out a play on Twitter on Devin Lloyd and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to call him out individually, but the play
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  Speaker 1: speaks for itself. He jumps, there's a block coming down
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  Speaker 1: in a run play, Mumma takes on his block.
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  Speaker 3: He doesn't take on his he jumps away from it.
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  Speaker 3: What the hell is that? And so I think you
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  Speaker 3: had it off, Tony. I think it's a cultural problem.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't absolve the coach from any blame and
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  Speaker 1: just put it on the players because otherwise, well, here's why,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell you need to coach for? Then if
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  Speaker 1: it's all on the players, you know, the culture is
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  Speaker 1: established by your coach. Tom Kauflin established the culture for
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  Speaker 1: you guys the minute he walked into building, the minute
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  Speaker 1: you guys walked in the building.
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  Speaker 3: So mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I was watching the play trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what happened on the extra man on the
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  Speaker 1: field because they're getting off the field there, Devin Devon
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  Speaker 1: Hamilton doesn't get off the field because you see it.
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  Speaker 3: You see each jog.
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  Speaker 1: But at the end of the play you see Roy
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  Speaker 1: Roberts of the play before and I watched it, you
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  Speaker 1: see Roy Roberts and Harris just jogging onto the field
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  Speaker 1: and he doesn't get off.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the communication there?
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  Speaker 1: And so I think the little things when teams have
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  Speaker 1: issues with the little things, that goes to the coaching.
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  Speaker 1: That to me, that goes to the coaching, the preparation
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  Speaker 1: in the coaching, the time you put in, the drive
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  Speaker 1: to be great.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's it is a coaching problem.
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  Speaker 1: And if the coach is talking about the culture, he
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  Speaker 1: needs to go look in the mirror because.
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  Speaker 3: That's where the problem is.
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  Speaker 1: If that was if I'm the head coach of that
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  Speaker 1: team and I'm talking about culture, that's on me.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think, Pete, I'm not absolving anybody. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: dissolving the I'm not saying it's all in the players
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, But the players are
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  Speaker 5: responsible for the effort that is put on the field.
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  Speaker 2: That's my point.
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  Speaker 3: You can, but don't you call him out for that, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys had a guy that wasn't put in
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  Speaker 1: the effort, did you call him out in the film session?
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  Speaker 5: Well, not only would he be called out by the players,
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  Speaker 5: the coaching staff would have been You'd have been called
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  Speaker 5: out by everybody and of sourse. Because Pete, I'm a
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  Speaker 5: big believer. We've said this on the show before. If
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  Speaker 5: you're allowing it, you're coaching it. I mean, so, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think there's anyone absolved. From the GM to the
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  Speaker 5: head coach, to every player to all everybody in the
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  Speaker 5: building is ultimately responsible. And right now, you're one and
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  Speaker 5: five and you're not you are not a good team,
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  Speaker 5: and you watch the tape and it's there's opportunities there
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  Speaker 5: to win football games throughout all these games at Sands,
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  Speaker 5: Buffalo probably, but we're not making the plays.
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  Speaker 2: And why I think it goes back to.
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  Speaker 3: Structure.
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  Speaker 5: How you practice accountability, player performance, knowing what to I mean,
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  Speaker 5: when you're one of five, it's not one thing and like,
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  Speaker 5: well it's not. There's no magic formula or bullet that
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  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, this will just fix everything. And to me,
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  Speaker 5: that was hammered home when I heard those two comments,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, wow, that's where we are as
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  Speaker 5: an organization.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but now you have let you know, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the and the roster. Okay, the roster is really
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have a great roster. Let's be real, particularly on defense. Honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the roster's not great. But you watched the Arizona and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna use this as an example, the Arizona Cardinals
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  Speaker 1: and they got beat up yesterday, but they went to
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco a week ago and their defensive talent not
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  Speaker 1: very good. But you know what they do do They
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  Speaker 1: play hard, they play tough, they play physical, they get
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  Speaker 1: after it. Now, they don't have a lot of talent,
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  Speaker 1: so you're gonna it's gonna be exposed at times. The
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville defense doesn't have a lot of talent. I'll be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you. I thought it was more talented before
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  Speaker 1: the season than I than I thought that I now
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  Speaker 1: know I made a major mistake, and I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us did. They're not that talented on defense,
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  Speaker 1: but there are times where they don't play hard. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the rally to the ball, run to the ball,
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  Speaker 1: hits somebody stand over them when somebody does it, rally
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  Speaker 1: to him. You don't ever say that. You never see
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  Speaker 1: that when there's a play made. Do you ever see
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  Speaker 1: the guys running over and jumping on each other and
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  Speaker 1: getting into it, and you know what I mean, having
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  Speaker 1: the swagger, the.
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  Speaker 3: Attitude, none of it. I just don't.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what it looks like to me as an outsider,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not around the team all the time like
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  Speaker 1: you guys are. They look disinterested at times, and that's.
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  Speaker 3: The worst thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's the cultural problem, that's a coaching problem, and that's
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  Speaker 1: a player problems across the board. They don't look interested,
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  Speaker 1: and that to me would drive me creative. If I
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  Speaker 1: was a player on that team and I saw other
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  Speaker 1: guys who looked disinterested, I'd be going nuts.
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  Speaker 3: And I know you would have to back in the
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  Speaker 3: day Tony.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you bring up a lot of good points.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and I don't even know where to start
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  Speaker 5: with everything you just said, because I tend to agree
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  Speaker 5: with you and I look at unless we're on the
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  Speaker 5: defensive side, we're gonna talk about everything. Yeah, we got
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  Speaker 5: plenty as we talk about the defense, I have not
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  Speaker 5: understood since we made cuts back in late August early September.
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  Speaker 2: We have three defensive ends on this team.
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  Speaker 5: One of them has been inactive every game except the
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  Speaker 5: first one is in seventh round rookie, and so for
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  Speaker 5: large swaths of games, and yesterday this was the case,
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  Speaker 5: you were playing with four defensive tackles on the field.
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  Speaker 5: I don't care what you want. Like you can label
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  Speaker 5: Eric Armstead as a d N, He's not a d N.
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  Speaker 5: He has played three technique, maybe in a four to
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  Speaker 5: three at times a four to three under. He could
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  Speaker 5: be a big end that plays a five technique, but
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  Speaker 5: in sub he is a three technique defense tackle.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he is.
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  Speaker 5: That's how he made his money. He was really good
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  Speaker 5: at it in San Francisco. And I look out there
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  Speaker 5: and you have in a two minute situation on the
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  Speaker 5: plus side of the fifty at the end of the half,
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  Speaker 5: and you have no defensive ends on the field.
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  Speaker 3: No, you have Roy Robinson Harris. Roy Robinson Harris is
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  Speaker 3: the other end.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: You only have two pass rushers.
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  Speaker 5: And I actually thought I'm gonna give Like if we've
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  Speaker 5: talked about tray Von and questioned his pass rushability, I
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  Speaker 5: thought he played a pretty good game again yesterday. I
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  Speaker 5: mean he's physical, he's pushing. He's getting squeezed in the pocket.
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  Speaker 2: So is Josh.
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  Speaker 5: Now they need to get off and finished better at times.
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  Speaker 5: But there's no I mean, those guys can rush the passer.
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  Speaker 3: They push.
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  Speaker 1: If they had pushing from the end, Tony, if they
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  Speaker 1: had help pushing from the inside, they would be better.
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  Speaker 1: They would be getting more sacks and there would be
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  Speaker 1: sacks coming to those guys.
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  Speaker 3: There is no put there are plays.
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  Speaker 1: You can sit there and I think the left guard,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Jenkins, must have pushed the Jaguar
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  Speaker 1: player down into the ground four or five. Did you
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  Speaker 1: see that on tape? He pushed them into the ground
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  Speaker 1: four or five times. And it's not on them. It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: There's no push whatsoever on the interior. And when Armstead
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  Speaker 1: goes in there. He ain't exactly pushing it either.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't want I don't understand it. We'll
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  Speaker 5: go We're gonna go to break here in a second.
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand the philosophy and the thinking of only
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  Speaker 5: having two defensive events active on game day. And then, okay,
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  Speaker 5: if that's the case, you gotta tell those guys you
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  Speaker 5: better be in shape all week because you're gonna play
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  Speaker 5: eighty eighty plus percent of the snaps. That's because we
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  Speaker 5: have to have you on the field, and in two
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  Speaker 5: minute situations, you're not coming out, So get your wind
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  Speaker 5: and be ready because you can't have you can't affect
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback without those guys on the field. And too
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  Speaker 5: many times and key moments, and they don't they don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand it. No, they don't do not blets.
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand it, Pete. I don't understand the philosophy
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  Speaker 5: or the thinking of the strategy of only having two
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  Speaker 5: defensive vents.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't get that. I don't get that.
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  Speaker 1: But if you don't have pass rushers, don't you need
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  Speaker 1: to compensate for that little bit by throwing a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of exotic, different looks at them and trying to get
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  Speaker 1: to the.
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  Speaker 2: Quarterback if they can handle it.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, what they have now, JP, what's the difference go
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  Speaker 1: down swinging or go down taking body blows?
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  Speaker 4: We've got plenty ahead. We've got to get to the
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  Speaker 4: offense in a little bit. They had some issues obviously
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  Speaker 4: with drops in the game. We've got to get to
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  Speaker 4: the secondary touchdowns. Were you were there? I was there
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  Speaker 4: A little bit later second hour, we'll have the fanatics,
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  Speaker 2: Ahead we're off and running from London.
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  Speaker 4: It's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans.
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  Speaker 6: Defeated obviously, I feel for the players and the coaches.
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  Speaker 3: We work.
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  Speaker 6: We work extremely too hard, you know, to be in
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  Speaker 6: this position. I feel like I feel like the guys are.
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  Speaker 6: You know, they don't quit, they keep fighting. We got
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  Speaker 6: to figure out how to just get out of our way.
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  Speaker 4: That's head coach Doug Peterson after the game at Spurs
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  Speaker 4: yesterday and welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by
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  Speaker 2: And every Monday. And you know this.
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  Speaker 4: Going into the game, there had been five number one
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: pick rookie quarterbacks to face off against the thirty second
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: ranked pass defense, and all five times the quarterback had
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: lost that matchup. It was usually a better day for
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: the pass defense. Not yesterday, as Caleb Williams put together
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: four touchdown passes against the thirty second ranked pass defense
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Cole Comet two touchdowns, Keenan Allen
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: the salt event with two touchdowns as well. Comet was
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: running all over this defense. We can discuss obviously, the
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: we'll get to the offense for the Jags in a
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: little bit on the show, guys. But when you got
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Cole Comett running down the middle of the defense on
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: that double screen fake and nobody's within ten yards of him,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: and then he breaks through a tackle for a touchdown,
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: then he's opening the back right corner for another touchdown,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: that's you know, We've seen that a lot over the years,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: tight ends running wild, but yesterday was a tough one.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: To watch, Tony.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a great I mean, listen, the first touchdown,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: the first one to comet was the well designed play.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: We had a similar play when I was playing, where
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: you fake the screen both ways and you sneak to
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: tight end up the middle and it separates the defense
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: and it always works.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it always works. It works in San Francisco
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: runs a lot. It works all the time.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: It worn't the Jags do that in the playoff game
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh with Tommy. That's exactly right. It usually works
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: once you can.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Get it maybe once again, right, but you gotta make
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the tackle, I mean, make it first and goal in
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the five, or chase him down from behind.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Run he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna catch him anyways.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: He wasn't.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: But you still sprint, Pete, of course you still And
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: we're talking about Devin Lloyd.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of video out there. He's jogging behind them.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, by the way, it wasn't. Just if you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: watched it all twenty two, there's a bunch of guys that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Were there were more guys, and there were guys jogging
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: in a lot of plays on a scramble, on a
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: scramble later in the game, when Caleb Williams scrambled, there's
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: about three guys jogging on that play.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: But you got you have to make the tackle at
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: the five. It's what you have to do. Well, he quit.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: That was a good point that the second I he
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: calls out people with winning you gotta make a tackle.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: And he hadn't played the second hadn't played very well.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: He's sure that's a that's something to put put put
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: your name behind the point. The look in the mirror, buddy,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: he had played well at all. He's a contract year,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he's been awful.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: And if the second Committ touchdown, there was a blown
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: coverage because you're not gonna ask.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I went back and watched the play as Devin Lloyd
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: everybody across the board.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you have man on one side, zone on the other.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: This time, everybody was in manned coverage except for the
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: free safety. And you saw those two two receivers cross
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and Lloyd stands there as Comet goes to the back
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of the end zone. That was his man. He's playing zone.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: He should be on. Comet to the back of the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: end zone.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And Savage is over there by himself trying to
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: figure out what which one to cover because there's two guys,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: you know, and so and here's the player we're looking
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: at it right now. I mean just Caleb could have
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: thrown to either guy. But these are the type of
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: situations you can't allow.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You know, you eat here it is, you can see
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: it here.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm not giving a pass to the coaching staff.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: The coach's jobs are to put you in.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: The right position and call the right defense and so
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: on and so forth.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: But when it's when the polls the play is called,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you have to go execute.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You have to do your job. You have to understand
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: what your job is, and you have to go full
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: speed and execute it. The best you can and then
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: if you still get beat fine, you look yourself in
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the media.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: You're like, hey, I did the best I could. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: went full speed, I did my assignment. They made a
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: better play. That's football. That happens. What you can't accept
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: is when you don't do your job, or you don't
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: go full speed, or you don't finish a play, or
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: you don't use the right technique and you make it easy,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: or you don't catch the ball, or you have pre
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: snat penalties, or you don't get off the field and
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: get twelve men on the field and extend drives. Pete,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: can you what's the most famous in the history of
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: this organization of twelve men on the field extending a drive?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: When you have to know this.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Six playoffs against the Denver Yeah. Yeah, Michael Perry didn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: get off. We were when Jacksonville didn't get off.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: No.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we were down two scores in the playoffs. Offensively,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: we could do nothing. We were it was like we
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: were underwaking nothing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: It was thirteen to nothing at that time. We're punting.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Michael Dean Perry jogs off the field, twelve men on
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: the field and we get a first down.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: We went on to.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Score every possession for the rest of the game until
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: we need victory for Bash. At the end were punted again.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Why mistakes like that give possessions to teams.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: That's how you lose.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: When you stop somebody get off the field because you
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: don't want to give them a second chance. And that
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: was the most frustrating drive of the entire game for me.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: We weren't playing great, we're down. Offense gets together, makes
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: it twenty one to ten. Defense, get a sack man,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: you're fired up. You're gonna get three and out and
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: get your ball right back to your offense. You know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: five or six minutes left in the third quarter, you're
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: right in the game. You don't get off the field,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: you extend the drive. Then you did it again with
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: the hole. Well, technically the way they had two sets,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: you're right, one on twelve man on the field, one
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: on a hole yep.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And so then and then they sure the first down
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to get them off the field again and another hold.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: That is called. That second hold was really questionable by
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the way.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was also a collision there that they
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: could have called it on the other guy too, because
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: so that could have been called.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, but that's losing football. That's how you lose
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: football games.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: And and here's the talk part.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: We know we're talking about the coole cometos that when
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the whole secondary and linebackers are playing man coverage and
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you're the one guy playing zone coverage, that's not just coaching.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: That's you, that's you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: If you're the only one that's you, that's on Devin Lloyd,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I mean. And and so it goes back to your
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: point about the players being responsible as much as the coaches.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You could coach that all you want, and everybody's playing
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the right defense except one guy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: That's on that one guy as much as anything.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But if you allow it, Pete, your coach too.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: And and but what do you do? What do you do?
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: How do you change that?
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: You?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Like, here's my theory of the whole thing. I don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: know who you put in, I mean, that's I mean.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: But the bottom line I know this, If you accept
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: missed assignments, if you accept jogging, you accept you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: pre snap, all the different things, if you allow it,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: it's not gonna ever change. So Pete, let me ask
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: you a question. Would you rather have a more talented
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: player who does not do the right thing assignment wise,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: or a less talented player who plays is you know
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: what off is in the right spot. But it might
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: be a little limited. But at Leasia can trust them.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: They're going to be the right spot to give.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: But who are you asking this about?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Reference anybody?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it applies.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you mean personally? So you're are
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you saying that who should be when everybody's healthy?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Who should be those two linebackers are on the field
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: all the time?
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Well my opinion, I mean when everyone's healthy, based on
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: play right now, Foyer and Ventro, that's who I would play.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: But I mean right now, But I mean not Everyone
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: tells I'm not even talking about Devin Lloyd.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: This talk about this team.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: It's just talking about in general. I'm talking in general.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: At some point there has to be accountability and consequences
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: for not doing the right thing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I agree, you know, sit a guy down.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But have they done that with Devin Lloyd a couple
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: of different times already in his career?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: All right, I don't know they have.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: They did it early in his career, They've done that.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: He wasn't playing these honey, one playing football, and and look,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: he made.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Some I'll give I'll give the I'll give them. He
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: made a couple of plays in the run game.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Sure, but but I'm not saying but let's be clear,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not the only reasonability.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: He's a liability covers.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Let's be real.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: He can't just showed the play devines like does not
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: the problem. But that's not the problem. The whole thing
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: is the problem.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they're not talented.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, we could go on and on and show,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: we could show they Okay, they traded up to get him, yes,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: then they drafted Muma a couple of rounds later, then
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: they paid a Lulacan and extended a Luacan and then
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you draft Ventro Miller.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: What round was he the fourth round?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: The fourth fourth? Well, so all those assets put it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: in a linebacker position. Are they good there? The answer
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to that question is no. And they could talk to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: their blue in the face. The answer is no. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: so what what's the solution to that? Well, you shouldn't
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: have traded if Devin Lloyd isn't, you shouldn't extend the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Lucan twice.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: That's I mean that to me is that makes no.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, about every people in this town. Rip
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Shod Khan to shreds. Rip them the shreds. Shot Cohn
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: has gone out and spent money on every guy that
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the GM wanted him to spend money on. Corner, Spend it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: defensive end, spend it quarterback, spend it a Lua Khan,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: restructure and give him a new deal. Spend it Roy
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Robertson Harris. Let's give him a new deal, give him
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the money.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: You know you can keep going on and on.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: They sheriff got a new deal, restructured it, gave it
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to him. They've given out a lot of money to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of players, and the reality is they haven't
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: got returned bang for the buck. He doesn't know anything
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: about those players. He's just getting guidance from the guy
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: who supposedly does, and that guy says, we need to
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: do this, this, this, and this. Are they a better
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: football team because of all those decisions? Absolutely not. Then
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you want to go further, you need you replace the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: wide receiver in Zay Jones with one who can't run
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a lick. Okay, and he dropped touchdown two touchdown He
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: caught too, but he dropped two.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: You replaced I don't know what you did with Armstead.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You went out and spent a lot of money on
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: a guy who maybe he just went over the cliff.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, is that a that's a distinct possibility. He
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: was hurting the preseason and he's not close to being
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the same player he was. So he spent a lot
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of money on an injured player. We've seen that before.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Then Darby, I mean, is are they get in return
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: on that investment from Darby?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Montrek Brown's been better than Darby? So what Monterk Brown?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I thought that Montak Brown's played pretty well?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so you got no return on your investment
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: other than Morse in free agency. That's it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Then status quo on the offensive line. Let's pay in Cleveland.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And he's been okay. I mean, he's been solid. I'm
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: not gonna give him any I'm not gonna kill him
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: for that one. But again, don't kill the owner. The
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: owner is spending the money in large part because that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: GM is telling him to. And so you really want
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to look at it. The roster stinks.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Because they've made stupid moves.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: They've made moves to go replace guys just for the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: sake of replacing them.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Is Gabe Davis better than Zay Jones.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: No, all right, now, is what Eric.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Armstead given you? Is he better than I'm trying to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: think who they would have had in there is not?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And is Darby any better than Darius Williams who they had.
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think your broader point and we gotta go
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: to break here your broader point, Pete, I agree, like
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: we have an owner in Shod Cohn, and historically in
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: this league, the complaints about owners is when they don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: spend money, they don't invest well. If you're a Jacksonville
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Jaguar fan, you can be upset about the record. You
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: can be you can be upset about the performance. You
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: can be upset about who's making the decisions as the
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: GM or the coach or whatever. You can be upset
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: about all that. But Pete is right. You cannot question
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: the commitment of Seod Khan of investing in this franchise,
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: in giving all the resources to the GM to get
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: the players that they want. That cannot be questioned because
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: he has spent a lot of money, and he spent
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: a lot of money this offseason based on the recommendation
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: of the GYM, and so I think that is what
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: you're your point, Pete, and I tend to agree with
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: it because that's I mean, in the history of the
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: nfl P you've covered it forever. What do fans complain
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: about the owner doesn't invest.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you what we don't have one of those.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: We have wants and will spend the money.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: One quick note on that when shod Con said that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: stuff before the season about out the most talented team,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and he did say ever in Jaguar's history, who do
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you think told him that Because Sean Con can't make
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: he can't make that assessment. He can't make that evaluation
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that's coming into his ear from the general manager, guaranteed
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: one hundred And if you say that as the general manager,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you say that the owner buys that and the team
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't live up to it, then who's on the hook
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And in the general manager, it's that head coach who's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: worried about his culture.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: That's who that is.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this and we'll go to break. Yes,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: we need to go.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: My understanding is that what Shot was referring to since
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: he's been the owner.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: In fairness, that's not what he said, though, Okay, I
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: believe that's.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: What he meant plenty ahead. We've got to get to
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the offense when we come back as well. There were
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: some issues on that side of the ball. Yesterday we
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  Speaker 4: course rehashing the game at Spurs yesterday when the Jaguars
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  Speaker 4: lost to the Bears and didn't look good really in
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: any phase of the football game.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: And we gotta get to the offense.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: We've been touching on defense a line rightly, so, I
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: mean they gave up four passing touchdowns to the number
• 33:29
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• 33:32
  Speaker 4: was a battle of number one pick quarterbacks because Trevor
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Lawrence was in there, and as you referenced earlier Tony
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: it wasn't like he had a bad game. The Jaguars
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: had some running issues. Travis Etn left the game with
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: a hamstring injury, and Doug Peterson said today that it's
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: more likely week to week than day to day, So
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: that doesn't sound good for the near term for etn
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: Dejanis Johnson got many more snaps than Tank Bigsby in
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: the game, and a lot of that it was later
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: when they had to throw it, and Dearness has kind
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: of been that third down passing guy. So where do
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: you sit right now with what the offense had to do? Yes, yeah,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: and four drops, four touchdowns dropped in the game. Obviously
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: we'll lose you a lot of football games.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: So let's talk.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: About the run game first and then we'll get to
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: the drops in the quarterback. So last week against the Colts,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: we were talking about how the big numbers they put
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: in the run game up good run game numbers. Yeah,
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: if you look at that Pete and JP, Tank Bigsby
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: had what was that nineteen yard run that was really
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: well blocked and physical run that led to a touchdown,
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: and then he had the sixty five yarder that should
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: have been a two yard loss. It was defense perfectly
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: at mistackles in a great effort and run by Tank Bigsby.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I believe if you.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Look at the rest of the runs that game, I
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: think they averaged like one point nine to two yards
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: of carry.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like they were grinding.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if you took those out and so okay, they
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: had no big runs against the Bears, and they struggled
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: to run the ball effectively. And then you have etn
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: getting hurt. A lot of questions about Deernest johnson snap
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: count compared to Tank Bigsby's. I've been a proponent of Bigsby.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: I think he needs more touches. So why less snaps?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Less touches for Bigsby? I think for two reasons. One,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: JP touched on it where the game was late. I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: think they trusted Ernest Johnson more in the more in
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: protection in the passing game, so they're having to throw more.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: And then two, this is me. This is a lot
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: of conjecture for me. The second one is the Bears
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: are have had The Bears have created the most turnover
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: since twenty twenty three in the NFL.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: The Bears are very good.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Ebra Flus preaches this practices it of punching out the ball.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, they are ballhawks, and I wonder if there
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: was a lack of trust. No one has told me this.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: This is just me guessing. Did they feel more comfortable
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: with the earnest out there at times because Tank has
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: had some ball security issues. He fumbled again, and he fumbled,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. He fumbled this game, and he
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: fumbled last week that great run in the end zone
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: and was fortunate to fall back on top of it.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: And so did they just trust the earnest in the
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: situation the combination of game, situation, more passing, so he'll
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: probably be out there more anyways, and then give him
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: maybe less touches because they were afraid of ball security
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: by Tank. Is it a trust issue, I don't know.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: By the way, thirty five snaps in the game, Bigsby
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: was seventeen, Yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: And how many in the first half, that's the question.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: You got to go look back and look the first
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: because you could talk about the ones at the end
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of the game. And by the way, one of them,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: one of them was at the on a kneel down
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at the half. They both were on the field, so
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: there's one snap for Bigsby, so that means he had
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: one less, so right, they were both on for the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: kneel down. So bottom line is, if he's got a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: fumbling problem and you don't trust him, then that's a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: major issue, because then then if Etn's not in there,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you really.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Don't have a feature back or a guy you think
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: you could feature.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they don't trust H Pete. I'm
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: just I'm guessing.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: You're not wrong about that, because you know who else
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I heard talking about that, Fred Taylor on this morning.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I listened to him this morning.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I heard him this morning and Fred said, you can't
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: put the ball on the ground or you're not gonna play.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: It's that simple.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a lot. How many times now is
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: he put the ball on the ground in the six games?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Four or four times? I think I think it's fourth.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Way too many, way too many.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Well, if he's fumbled, is it two kickoffs he's fumbled, Yes, yes,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: he had to fumble.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Indy, that's three. I don't know if there's another one.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's one more, but but three is too many.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, the bottom line is if you don't.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: But again, they weren't running the ball, whether it was
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: him or the earnest or.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: They weren't effective Earl Campbell.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Or whoever at his prime, or O. J. Simpson back
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: in his day. I mean, they weren't running the ball.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And here's part of the problem.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Tony.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: We were talking about effort, and I'm like, this is
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: an effort, But how many times did the DEFENSI about
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Gordon slice in there and get a play a run
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: play from the backside because nobody blocked them.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: He was all over the field.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had some, they had some effective run blitzes,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and at least that's what they look like, or you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Gordon was just super aggressive and a lot of times
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the responsibilities on that inside receiver, that slot receiver to
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: dig him out and they just couldn't get to him.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And one time they had two receivers standing over there
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and he was the only guy there and neither way
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it was Kirk and Thomas, neither one of them. I mean, no,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: that to me was a problem. I thought there were
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: times there was no push in the middle. Morse wasn't
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: as his usual self. I don't think he played as
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: well as he.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: Had I think this was Yeah, I thought watching the tape,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: this was the worst that Mitche had played.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I think bitch is played good football.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I do too, but he has problems with the big
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: guy in the middle there at times.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who else struggled in the run the laziness in
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the run game again from backside.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: They don't finish it just it just was. There was
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: no rhythm to the run game whatsoever.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: None.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: All Right, we gotta take our final break of this
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: first hour of Jaguars Happy We'll come back and get
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: into the passing game and the drops and what could
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: be next in that regard on offense. Then coming up
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: in the second hour, fanatics, fan questions will keep it real.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: We've got a lot to get to rehashing the Jaguars
• 39:56
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  Speaker 7: It's a long game, you know, I think as a team,
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: like we have to be we can't be so fragile.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: You know, it's like it's not gonna go perfect every week.
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: You know, most weeks aren't gonna go perfect.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: To sometimes dig yourself out of a hole.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: We got down in the second quarter and had an
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: opportunity to come out at halftime and didn't take advantage
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: of it. So no, I don't think that that was
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, obviously you look back, every play matters, and
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: we had plenty of mistakes, but no, I don't think
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: that that was a huge momentum shift. Obviously you'd love
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: to make it, but no, it's on.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: All of us.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars quarterback, after the game at Tottenamot's First
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Stadium yesterday, I lost to the Bears and welcome back
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Jaguars Happy Hour. Final few moments of our opening hour
• 41:09
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• 41:12
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• 41:16
  Speaker 4: and Jaguars YouTube. Four dropped touchdowns, two from Gabe Davis,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: one from Brian Thomas. Christian Kirk had one as well
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: to throw in there. So that's the difference in the
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: football game, Tony. That's one of the differences in the
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: football Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, well one the two of them came in
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: garbage time too, but it's more Pete it's more systematic. Yeah,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: it's a systemic systemic.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It's like it's a systemic catch the ball, right, catch
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the ball? What do you laugh about? JP?
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Just nothing? Go ahead? I mean systematic and systemic, but
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: go ahead.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I was right up there.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You're right, he was wrong.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Let's just be clear, because that's what this show, you
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: too love pointing out when I say something wrong.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Let's just review the table I said. I said, because
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: let's talk about accountability. We've been talking about accountability in
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: this organization. We're gonna accountability in the show. I said,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: you just screwed up. But Pete, I'm going to our
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: friend JP, who on the last segment said we're going
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: to start the next hour.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: He had forgotten we had a whole other segment.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Correct even read.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: At the start of this segment. Correct, jping, he just
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: read what's in.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Front of you.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: How hard is that? Well he wasn't here for two weeks.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: He was back down on the Bregness squads, and now
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: he's back up playing and.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of quentin JP. Wow, Wow, that's bold,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: that's bold.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying, when yours truly makes a harmless mistake.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Two people, I admitted my mistake.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I said a jump.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Jug.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: JP still hasn't admitted his mistake. He just started this
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: segment saying, this is the final anyway.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were choking, chuckling about it. Nobody who
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: heard you before would have known that you did that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: That's how he tried to administ day exactly.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I said it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I said it wrong, JP, say it. Come on, it's easy,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: let it out. We'll all let it out.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Say it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: You were wrong, come on, say you're wrong.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I was wrong. Thank you.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I feel better. I feel better. But back to the
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: systemic issue of drops. I read somewhere and maybe this
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: is a fake stack. I don't know to believe everything
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: I see on the internet, but I think in the.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Last two years we like lead the league. Yes, I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be shocked.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: That is that right?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: That's correct?
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: The ball I mean two seasons half yeah, two seasons,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the last two seasons plus the rest of this one.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: They lead, and drops.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: Get on the drugs machine. I don't catch more balls.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: I have no idea. Folks gets concentrated. I don't know
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: what the answers. I didn't play the wide receiver. I
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: can tell you if you're not pass it and right
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: at what to do. But if you're not catching the ball,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I mean it goes back to what we talked about
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: two three weeks ago.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Now, I guess now after the Houston game.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: Pete and everyone wants to yell and scream about we
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: press Taylor is a terrible play caller, terrible offense, blah
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah blahdah. And we went back to Houston,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: and my point was, how about you just make the
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: plays are there. If Trevor and this was on Trevor,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: if Trevor hits those two touchdowns, probably beat Houston, probably
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: win that game. Those are great play calls. We made
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: the plays last week Offensive League against the Colts.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: What happened.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: We scored thirty seven and we won. This week, you
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: dropped four touchdowns. Be interesting.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: If you make the plays that are there, the plays
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that are called, execute and do what you're supposed to,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: things work out. Okay, it doesn't care to win, Pete,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: but it gives you a chance.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And the first one is the okay, the other look,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: three of the other ones came when it was thirty
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: five to sixteen.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: You're still supposed to catch them. But it was thirty
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: five to sixteen.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: The Gabe Davis won down the sideline, great throw, has
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to catch it, thirty five to sixteen. The Brian Thomas
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: one came right after that, thirty five sixteen, and I
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: think the Kirk one was even earlier right there too
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in the end zone. So those ones, yeah, they hurt,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and you're supposed to catch them, but you're not winning
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the game because then the one on the opening drive
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that's set the tone for the day.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: You go get seven there, and I think it's a
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: different feel.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Right away than three threes.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Three is a lose.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: That's an l that's a losing situation because you got
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: to get seven there. And so to me, that one
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: is the biggest one of all of them, and that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that really kind of set the tone for the day.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But you got to catch all of them, I agree
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: And they had to settle for what a fourteen play
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: eight minute field goal drive on their opening possession, and
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that's how well.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Then they got in the red zone and they had
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: false starts too that he actually overcame me. I mean,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that's been plaguing them all
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: year long, every time they get into scoring range, they
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: have some kind of stupid penalty or mistake. It's just
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: and that goes back to what we open the show
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: with about coaching and culture and everything else.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: All right, guys, no quit in this show. We've got
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: another hour to go.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Got it right this time JP.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: A whole hour ahead of Jaguars Happy Hour, recapping the
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: pairs and the Jaguars. And yeah, we'll keep it real
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: when we come back, as we haven't done that enough already.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: The fanatics, fan questions coming up as well. Oh yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: off and running. We're one hour down, one hour ago.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: He's just one man obviously, And and you know, we've
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: got to play better, you know, all around everybody, you know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: and and and he included, he knows that there's there's
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: there's ownership in that. I mean coaches the same way
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: I'm not. I take you know, I take full responsibility obviously,
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: and and uh, but but we all need to we
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: all need to be better.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Head coach Duck Peterson after the game at tad To
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Monts First Stadium in London yesterday, a Bears thirty five
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: sixteen win over the Jaguars and welcome back. It's our
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: two of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mister Chubby's Wings
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: before the game, after the game, and during the game.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: We're on ten tinexl AM, Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: The Jaguars defense gave up four passing touchdowns to rookie
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: quarterback Caleb Williams of the Bears, the number one overall
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: pick too to tight end Cole comet To to veteran
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: wide receiver Keenan Allen, and the Jaguars offense had issues
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: drops pre snap penalties Keith Penalty is really in big
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: moments on both sides of the ball for the Jags,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: and players after the game starting to question the fight
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: in the team, as Andre Cisco was quoted after the
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: game saying he saw some quit out there at Spurs.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Now Jags are now one and five and a team that,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: as Doug Peterson put it, is on the brink. So
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: let's see this week back across town in London at
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Wembley Stadium against the one in five New England Patriots.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: The Jags now six and six all time in London,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: four and five at Wembley, and now two and one
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: at Tottenham Hot Spurs Stadium.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: J P.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: Shadwick, Tony Piselli and Pete Prisco recapping the game that
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: was at Spurs and it was not good is what
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: it was?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean just recap it. We've talked about so far.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: I still go back to them after the game by
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Andre cisco quit.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I just cannot believe.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Like that's the cardinal, Like that's like, did you see
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: that on the in the game tape?
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: I saw jogging, I saw not great effort would be
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: what we would have termed.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And I think they still would say this today.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: A loaf, you get a loaf, like, but we've seen
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: that a lot if Tony, We've seen it a lot
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: this year. It's not just this game.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: But Pitt, you know this, like the one of the
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: biggest things, like one of the biggest shots you can
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: take at somebody is that they quit, correct, Like, like
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: there's certain things that like you don't say about a
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: guy like that he quit or if you do, or
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: if you do, you're taking a shot at him and
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: really questioning who they are as a professional or.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: No, your your question of is who they are as
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: a professional. If you say you quit, there's like for me,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: there's a couple.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: You quit because that speaks to my effort, my professionalism,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: like my showing up for my teammates, my accountability, that
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: those are all question when you say I quit, and
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: then it's it off. It's a lineman like the thing
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: that the other thing you didn't want to hear is
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear about that, And don't call
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: me soft soft like you didn't want to be a
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: soft team or a soft player. Those are like the
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: two like those are like the two like just knives
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: in the back and we didn't hear.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: You don't ever want to hear either one of those.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: No, we didn't hear soft, So take that off the board.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: But we heard one of them quit week six, we're
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: talking about quitting. What the heck is going on? And
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: do ball?
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I guess right now in London, But what's going on? Quit?
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: How do you come out of that?
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Though? How do you come back from that?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I mean it was compounded, but it's kind of compounded
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: by the fact that the coach talked about the culture.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: It's almost like that's the other thing that throws that's
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: like the fire was started, and he just threw the
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: kerosene on it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, because he didn't.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: When a coach opens that line of questioning up, that's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: never a good thing because it's not going to stop.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't stop. Now you got to ask about quit.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: You gotta answer about quit. You got to answer about
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: what you meant when you talked about the culture.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: And I mean to me, then.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: When he was asked about meeting with Shod, I guess
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: he met with Shod before he.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Even went to the podium yesterday. Right, he doesn't.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: In fairness my understanding, I'm not down there, but I'm
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: pretty sure this is right. Every game, win or lose,
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Shot goes in and meets Shod, goes in and meets
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: with Doug and Trent after the game. I think that
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: happens every game, Beach.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: That was not an anomaly, which is why some of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the media get angry that takes him so long to
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: get to the locker room to get to the first
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: game interview, and yesterday somebody said it was an hour.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I was told it was.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: I left.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I was told.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'm out of here. I got.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: After watching that game, and how I felt about everything.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: I told Jeff and Frank and John Denine. I said, guys,
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: clean your stuff up, let's go. We got a car
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: waiting for us. We're leaving now.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: I was, I mean, Pete, I was doing the sprint
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: to the car to get out of that stadium.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I want. I was like, I was done so but
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I was. I was told it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Was five minutes, fifty five minutes.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: That's what I was told.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That should not happen. I'm sorry,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: it should not happen.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Well it did. It did again though.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Now he's got to So today's is he gonna meet
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: with the media today already?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Did he did a zoom earlier today? Did anyone ask
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: about culture or quitting?
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: If they didn't, he didn't, Yeah, And basically he said, yeah,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: the the culture thing. Yeah, we don't want to losing culture.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: I mean that he kind of what about the quit?
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Did he did anyone ask that? Andre Cisco said that
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: your team quick?
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: He said he had not had a chance.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: The players were off today because the schedule is a
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: little different this week.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: They're off today.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: They'll be back tomorrow on the field Wednesday, so really
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: hadn't had a chance to sit down with Andre's what
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: he said in the zoom earlier.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: That's fair. That might have changed.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: That is fair since then, that was not that much earlier.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean, that's a fair responding. Are the
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: same hotel? Yeah, it's years.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Off, Pete, hold on, come on, you're smart.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: If players have all day Monday off and they get
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: back to the hotel after a game, let's call it seven.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: What do you think they did.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Do you think they were hanging around the hotel last
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: night and all day today? Well, no, they're probably out
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: celebrating the quit.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: No, And like this is what I I I think
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: people don't understand these are human beings, that this is
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: their job something and or they're out to dinner. They
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: probably have may have family or friends in London. You know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: maybe they stayed the night in London because they you know,
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go do some sights today. I mean, like
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: I would tell everyone listening to us, what.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: Are you doing your day off? Right?
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: You go do stuff you're not let me tell you
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: what you're not doing on your day off. Nobody listening
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: to the show on their day off is looking for
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: their boss. After a bad day in the office and saying, hey,
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: can we hang out and talk?
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: You know, but if you if your boss tells you
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it says I want to talk to you, you're going particularly,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: but I also think doing your job up to your potential.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: You're going you are. I agree, but you also know.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: Sometimes the boss doesn't want to be around the employees either.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: Sometimes the boss needs a break. It's like, I'm gonna
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: see you guys on Tuesday. I'll wait till Tuesday to
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: address It's like.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: I get it, I get it, I get it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: But if something like that has said my building, in
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: my locker room and my team, I'm addressing it the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: next day.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I'm making it different. That's fair. That's fair. I make
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: it go away.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I used to talk kauflin that all the way. I
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: go why do you Why do you let it fester?
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Just say it and make it go away. If you
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: don't say it, then Wednesday it's now a story, and
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Thursday it's now a story, and Friday, just say it.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Make it go away.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: If he had come out today and said I am
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: not happy with what Andre said. I haven't talked to him,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: but I will talk to him, then maybe it would
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: have gone for one day. Now he's got to go
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: talk to Andre went tomorrow, and then it becomes a
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: story again on Wednesday, and then you got to go
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: back in the locker room on Thursday and get Andre
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: or wherever you get these guys nowadays, and get Andre's
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: side of the story.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: So it's now a.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Four day story where it could have been nipped in
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the bud right away. That's the difference. That's what I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: if I'm a coach, I handle it that way.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: And Pete, that's fair, that's a that's fair criticism or
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: fair analysis. I'm just saying everyone handles it differently as
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: your to your point, so, but it's their day off
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: like but people like I know it's okay by the.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Way, and we know in days off in London and
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: nights out in London can end up in some fun
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: frankases around that sea. I'm hoping there's a statute of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: limitations on that isn't there.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not commenting on that.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: I just hope everyone had a lovely evening, enjoyed themselves
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: and are back safe tomorrow.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: That's all I hope.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: I don't but it's a day off and players should
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: go enjoy themselves and take their day off.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: And I like win loser draw. It's your day off.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Everyone handles it differently. Some guys, right, it's your job.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: It's your job.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: That's one thing fans sometimes lose sight of. It's their job.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: You're not happy with the way you handled your job
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, but your day off is your day to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: do what you want to do. It's your job. And
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: then when you come back on Tuesday, then you're back
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: at it again. I agree with you, you're not gonna work.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: And everyone does it different some guys.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: I've known guys that after a loss, they don't want
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: to see anybody, They don't want to do anything, they
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: want to get back in the film, they want to
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: like they just are so mad. They literally can't do
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: anything else and they can't be around people. And then
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: I know other guys that they're upset that they lost
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: and it was miserable and they're not happy. But for them,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: the best thing to do is just to go forget
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: about it for twenty four hours and go do something else.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: And there's not by the way, one's not better than
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: the other. The person who is grinding.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Is that doesn't make them a better player, grinding and
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: mad and miserable to be around, compared to the guy
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: who's just like compartabilizes it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: And I'll deal with this in you know, twenty four
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: to thirty six hours. They're just different approaches, different personalities.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: So I don't think it's a big deal.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like after a game.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Read people's reactions after the game, after the game ends,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: your team got thumping, you're over there shaking hands with guys.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I never had a problem with that.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: Ever, I did not either. I remember Pete. I don't
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: know if you remember this. We were playing I think it.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: Was God, I don't know who we played. We lost,
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: it lost the close game. It was early years and
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: uh Mark was smiling, shaking hands with like the other
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: quarterback and talking to him because he knew him. And
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: I remember like the next day on talk radio and like, ah,
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Bronell doesn't care. Why is he smiling after a loss?
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: And I'm like you people, are you kidding me? Like
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: he's cool to see a friend. Like if you had
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: a bad day at the office, what do you do
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: after the game after a bad day at office?
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Dude, are you not allowed to smile anymore. Come on,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: But here's one.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Here's the one that does bother me, the little bit Tony,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: And I've noticed this on the tape too.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Body language.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: During the game, that's different, Pete. Yeah, I think I
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: analyze that during the game. I agree with you there
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: and that.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: You'd sit by watching tape. The receivers sometimes on this
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: team have awful body language, how Sophie when they if
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: the ball Now, Brian Thomas is kind of he has
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: some bad body language and the ball doesn't come in
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: his way or or overthrown or whatever. And some of
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the other guys it's not it's not as good either.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Just you go, and Tony knows what I'm talking about
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: because you watch the tape.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: You've seen it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Like even on the underthrown pass to Brian Thomas, body
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: language wasn't great there, right, It was almost like I'm.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Gonna Pete, I'm gonna be careful, be too critical because
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: as you know, you covered me. I had some choice
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: words on the sidelines and didn't have the best reaction
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: to maybe quarterbacks holding the ball too long or doing
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: something at times on the sideline, or my offensive line
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: coach or head coach saying something I didn't like and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: and you know.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what you wouldn't show like I think body
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: language for wide receivers kind of shows up the quarterback
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but every yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not excusing it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about like some of the gave Davis
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: stuff last week? Yeah?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, but that happens. It's emotion whatever game.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Sometimes if the ball goes in the other spot, they
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just and don't get it wrong. Keenan
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: and Jimmy did the same thing too, So it's just
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: from the DNA in the position.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: But but my bigger issue is my bigger issue is this,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: And if we're talking, my bigger issue is, well, I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: will deem the guys who bought tickets like fans and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 8: are watching is the play is going on, That's my issue.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: For body language, yes, body language. You need to have
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: good body language, You need to be supportive, you need
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: to have energy. I think this team lacks urgency. I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: think this team lacks energy at times for whatever reason.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: I've said that since day one. Opening day. Uh, it
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: doesn't feel like there's juice on the sidelines. Juice on
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: the field. You mentioned guys rallying around high five in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: doing their thing after big plays, celebrating, Like you just
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: don't feel that for whatever reason, I don't. I can't
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: put my finger on why. But the thing that just
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: sits in my crawl is the I like guys watching.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: I'm like, buy a ticket, the fans.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Are there to watch, and that happens a lot. It
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: happens a lot. Hey, here's the other thing I'm talking about.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: You're talking about play calling and scheme and everything, and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: how they make the plays against the Texans and they
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: catch those passes and everything.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Here's what I'm gonna get a little critical here.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, why do they wait so long? Why do they
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: wait so long on Sunday to drive the ball down
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the field?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: I think they want to get Trevor in a rhythm
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: early with some easy completions. That's my I don't know that.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: That's my take.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're paying okay, but okay, okay, let's just say
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: that's the truth. You're paying a quarterback fifty five million
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: dollars a year and you're worrying about him getting into
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a rhythm.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: There's a problem. There's your problem.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna remind you of something.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Just what a guy makes doesn't really matter after you
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: pay him, because at the end of the day, everybody's different,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: and guys who make a lot of money can go
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: through hard times and sometimes you have to help those times.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Rhythm, That's not what I'm saying, Tony.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you're protecting your fifty five million dollar quarterback,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: I think they're protecting.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: I think they're trying to.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: But I disagree with you, Pete on this one. I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: don't think it's an issue. I think they're trying to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: help him have the most possible success and they think
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: and we can argue whether they're right or wrong.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's okay. Well I don't. I think it's
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: the right thing.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: I said it two weeks ago on the show if
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: I was based on Trevor was struggling a little bit.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: It was obvious after the Houston game he wasn't playing
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: to his potential. I'm still a big believer that he
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: is a guy who will win a super Bowl in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: this with this franchise, and I thought he was in
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: a funk. And I think the way you help guys
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: like that get out of the funk. Is show get
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: them some easy completions, get him in a rhythm, get
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: them going. We see that in every sport.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they put him in the funk
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: by constantly preaching turnover, turnover, turnover, turnover, turnover, turnover. And
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: for the first four games this year, how many time?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: How many times had he turned the ball over?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: The first four games this year?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: One think the last two weeks he has three interceptions
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: that I believe.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you do that to somebody, you turn
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: him into a robot. And I think they turned him
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: into a robot. And that's all Pete, Pete, I know
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: that's your belief.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: It is my mind. I'm not even gonna I know.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not even arguing the point I did. I I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: think I think it's fine to help a guy get
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: in a rhythm. I think it's fine. I have no
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: issues with that at all.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: I will say this and down on the first third
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: down play where he hits Thomas on the out route.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Remember that one for first down the first opening drive.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Good play, right, good play, you move the change is
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: good play. But he had Kirk on the second level
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: for what would have been like a thirty yard game,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if you saw that on tape, Tony,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: but it was there and he had no pressure.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: It was a corner route.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: And no pressure, so he could stand there and make
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: that throw. That, to me, is one of the most
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: concerning things about the way they're playing until he has to,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: and he had to in the second half. He hit
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: the shot down the field to Ingram when he fumbled,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: he took the shot down the field of Thomas.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: They're not doing it. They got to do more of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: that design that play.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: The design of that play to Thomas loved it, put
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: him in jet motion and got him up the up
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the field. The only problem I had with that play
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: was what the hell was Gabe Davis doing. He's in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: man coverage, cross the face of his guy and keep
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: going and he holds. Okay, it wasn't the safety that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: knocked the ball down, but he could have been hold
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: that safety. Then you got one on one with the linebacker.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: You put it out to the thing. I think Trevor
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: saw the safety kind of drifting over and tried to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: fit it in instead of throw it out because he
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: was fearful of safety. If you remember, gave Davis turns
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: and runs a stop route right there in the middle
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of the field. I have no idea why that was.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: All he has to do is cross the face of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: his guy. The safety has to hold he's looking at him,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't and he gets over there. If you know,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: the linebacker made the play because was underthrown, But if
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: it's not underthrown, the safety might get over the top
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: and make the play on the ball.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Anyways, my favorite. We talked about effort on this.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: We've been talking about effort and watching and hustle and
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: everything else. And you brought up to Evan Ingram fumble.
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  Speaker 5: Did you notice who was one of the first guys
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: down there to make the tackle.
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  Speaker 2: On the street.
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  Speaker 3: Was it Trevor?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Trevor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that. We've got plenty ahead.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: We're gonna keep it real when we come back, because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: we've been faking it all show, all show long until
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: now it gets real when we come back.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Bears, Jaguars yesterday.
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• 1:06:25
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• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: Busselli outside of London. We're at the Grove Resort, headquarters
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: for the Jaguars all week ahead of the Patriots Jaguars
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: matchup under the Arch at Wembley this Sunday, and we're recapping,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: of course, the Jaguars lost yesterday to the Chicago Bears
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and Pete Prisco is with us
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: on the line down in South Florida. It's time for
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Keeping it Real, presented by Nobody, and we've got a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: lot to discuss. Of course, EA shit every week and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: this week more than most. And the Jaguars are in
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: a one in five hole. Doug Peterson was part of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: the coaching staff for the twenty fifteen Chiefs. Pete who
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: started one and five and then I think I don't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: think they lost the rest of the year and they
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: made the playoffs as a wildcard team. They could have
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: won the division in the last week of the season,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: but didn't. How did the Jaguars fight out of this hole?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: It doesn't happen too often, maybe like twice ever, one
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: in five they don't.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Pete, they don't. They're not going
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: to I mean so now, Also.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: What's that you've quit?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Also, it sounds like.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not playing. I'm a realist. If I was playing,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't quit. It's my job. But the reality is
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: the schedule gets tougher. Look at the schedule. You show
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: me games where you can sit there other than new Land,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: who is really bad? If you tell me where they're
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the possibility of them winning games, they gonna beat the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Packers at home?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: No, keep going the schedule. Yeah, here's the schedule.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: This week, of course, the Patriots at Wimbley and then
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: next week home against the Packers, two weeks at the Eagles.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Schedule for Sunday Night football, Week ten home against the Vikings.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna be playing Sunday nights week
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: at the Detroit Lions. Then the bye week.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Where okay, maybe New England. Where's the other one coming from?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: So you think over the next five that this team
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: is going to be two at the best of win
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: two at the best of win two at.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Best, you'll be three, three and eight going into the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: buys what you're saying.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Right at best?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: More likely, Yeah, that'd be eleven games.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: More likely you would agree with me, it's more likely
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I'm at a lost Pete.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you had asked me at the beginning
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: of the season, I thought that they would beat the Bears,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: no problem with the rookie quarterback. I think they'll beat
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. But is that with the.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Rookie quarterback or the rookie quarterback.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: With the rookie quarterback which beat the Patriots? Though, But Pete,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: would you lock the Patriots game light right now?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Not the way this team is playing with everything going on, No, No.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: I would not.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: And yeah, by the way, some good things in the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: second half Drake may did some good things in the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: second half Sunday.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: But quit.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But I'm with you, Pete, because when I hear
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: players talk about quit, that guys are quitting and there's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: cultural issues or whatever that was, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this team can do. Like, we
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: keep on doing what we're doing this show, and we've.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: Done it a couple of times now, and know and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: four we're like, oh, the ninety two Chargers They're like okay,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: like we got a chance and then we get we
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: beat the pain we beat the Colts, like okay, here
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: we go come back with.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: The ninety six Jaguars were three and six at one.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah kay, and I last week on the show, beat
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: double lock in We're gonna come back from London three
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: and four were right in.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: It right now, a double We double locked, double locked it.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: Ever again, I had nothing to do with it. They
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: wouldn't let me get in on it. There might not
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: be another lock on this show. There will not be
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: another double lock. I will not allow it for sure,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: because we are over on double locks this year. I'm
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: not sure there's gonna be a lock for the rest
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 9: of the year on the show.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Well, you might lock the other team. I will never
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: ever do that the Packers never. I might lock might
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: lock the Packers in a couple of years.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: No, I mean it's just but based on everything that's
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: gone on and the way they played and the quit
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: talk and the culture, there's not a chance in hell
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: you can sit here and say they can they're guaranteed
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: to win any of those games.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: What do you think happens this week?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I do think they win this week.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the Patriots, Pete, Are they good anywhere?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Are they good on defense? Are they good on offense?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Are they good?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Got run on?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: They got run on on Sunday and they get run
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: on the last three weeks. And the offensive line they
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: finally had the five guys who started at one point
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: started together on Sunday. I'll tell you he's a good
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: little player. The Mandarin kid, Tomrio Douglas. He was Carson
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Beck's wide receiver at Mandarin High School. And if he
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: had a real you're starting to see it with Drake
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: may he's starting to make plays. If he had a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: real quarterback for the last year and a half, he'd
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: be really a good player. So but they're not good.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: That's not a good football team. It just isn't. And
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: they have this talk of you know, hiring of Mayo
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: already too, so you know that works. But so they
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: have their owner. I'm like some.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Rumblings about that.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you just got it all up, I know.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: But add it all up and you got the same issues.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: So no, Jacksonville should win the game. But would you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: sit here if the Patriots came in and Drake May
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: threw for three hundred and three touchdowns and you lost
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: that game, would you be totally shocked by it? No?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: No, They're the worst pass defense in football the Jaguars. Yeah,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: that's that's troubling. That is very troubling.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: Uh why is that by it? Do they play hard?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: Do the Patriots play hard? I'm trying to look for
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: something that I should worry about. They play hard?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: But why?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Why is the why is? That's a legitimate question. Why
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: is Jacksonvill's pass defense the worst in the NFL.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: We don't have a consistent pass rush and we try
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: to play a lot of man and if you don't
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: have consistent pass rush, guys are gonna get open.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: We have too many blown coverages and and injuries. We
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: have some injuries. I don't buy that.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Sorry, the line bark, linebackers, the linebackers are.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Everybody has injuries.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: JP, I'm not that's not uncoccused without Brisker.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: The Bears played without Brisker and Stevenson right on side.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: No Brisker, yeah, Brisker.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: So it's the injury.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: And the linebackers don't cover, We don't get we don't
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: get consistent pressure with four, and we don't blitz, and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: we play man, I mean you just I think it's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's any one thing.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's all. And the linebackers aren't good in coverage.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: I mean they they take bad zone drops and they're
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: not good in man coverage. So it's it's just a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: combination of.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: All of it.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Besides that, it's everything's working perfectly.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: By the way, an get they get to thirty sacks
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: this year? Is that what you predicted the two outside
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: guys would have thirty this year?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: I thought I said twenty seven.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: He's no, No, I'm not. I'll stand by what I say.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I stand by I think I said.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Twenty and a half right now.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: Uh, well, they would add more if they didn't have penalties.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: But I think Trayvon is five and a half and
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: Josh he got another one on Sunday. Josh has two
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: and a half three and a half. They got a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: long way to go to.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: Get Yeah, Trevon Honker has five, Josh Haines Allen has
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: two and a half half.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: Right half the twenty four you said thirty, Are you
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: really I think you said thirty.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, So they need to average to a game basically
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: for the rest year.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: So they need to get like three score leads, so
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: teams have to pass game.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: We bowed down to Tony last year because he got
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: that prediction right.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Remember at the end of the year we laughed at
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: him in the beginning year he got it right.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Well now we're gonna be laughing out this time around.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: He ain't getting this one right.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: All right, listen, I deserve it. If I'm wrong, I'm fine.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: I'll own I'll own what I say. There you have it.
• 1:15:11
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• 1:15:14
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• 1:15:20
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• 1:15:26
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• 1:15:28
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• 1:15:41
  Speaker 10: Since Urgency must win. You know, we know we have
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 10: the trust and everybody in here, but this is Urgency
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 10: needs to pick up the passion to love, uh, the
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 10: reason why we do the things that we do need
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 10: to need to pick up a little bit more. And
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 10: it starts to Tuesday once we get to practice in
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 10: no focus on the Patriots.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: Josh heinz Allen after the game yesterday at tottenhamhots First
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Stadium a Jaguars lost to the Chicago Bears.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: And yes, the Jags players off Monday.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: That's backward from normal and usually it's Tuesday, but off today.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: They'll be back on Tuesday and then on the practice
• 1:16:19
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• 1:16:25
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  Speaker 4: two continents. Question number one at JAG's Evolution, Ask Pete,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: why in the world is Ronald Darby starting over? Prince
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: Prince can do exactly what Darby does. At least we
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: can blame it on being a rookie, Pete. We lost
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Pete there.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I said early in the season, I thought Darby played okay,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: and the last couple of weeks not so much.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: So are you gonna sit.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Down a guy who paid a boatload of money for
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: for a late round draft pick highly unlikely.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I mean, I have have we seen anything
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: from Prince that we think he's better.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: We haven't really seen him much, that's my point. Yeah,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, but the coach who has seen him in
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: practice every day. The coaches, and the one thing I
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: know about coaches, typically their jobs are on the line.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: They're gonna play the guys they think that.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: We can disagree with them, but they're gonna play the
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: guys they think give them the best chance of winning.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's pretty universal.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: I've yet, I don't think I've ever met a coach
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: at purposely is putting a guy who's worse than another
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: guy in the field because they want to lose.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Like that's their job.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: So you know, now we can disagree with who's better
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: and why, and you can disagree who gets cut, who
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: does it, who they keep, you know, who they draft,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: all those things. Those are those are great topics to debate,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: But once you get in the season, usually.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: The coaches are going to try to play the guys
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: they think give him the best.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: But unless unless Pete, there's some political thing that the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: coaches want to play one guy in the GM and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's the case here, but we've seen
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: it in the history of the league where wants X
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: person to play, the coaches want why person to play,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: and there's a disagreement, and then whoever has the power,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: you know, wins that battle.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's the case never. X should never
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: tell why who to play.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Ever, X should never tell why, should make why and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: his coaches should make that decision. Now, when a guy
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: gets a boatload of money in free agency, and Darby's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: not getting a boatload of money, but when he's making
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: that aunt of money, whatever he got, there is a
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: tendency to lean more towards that guy. Against a late
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: round rookie that you might throw in there and see
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: what he can.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Do, you'll be much more patient. You'll be patient with him.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to be clear though, we are not
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: saying neither Peter I at least I'm not.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: I'll speak for myself. I'm not either.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that there's any there's any of that
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: going on in this organization, where there's disagreements who should
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: be playing, who should not be playing. I'm just saying
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: in the history of the league and past. I know
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: that has happened based on a draft pick guy where
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: he got drafted, or money's getting paid or anything else.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: I don't I've not heard that happening here. I don't
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: know of that happening. But I agree with you, Pete
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: on the fact that the way it should work, and
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: I believe that's how it happens here is the front office,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: the GM and scouts pick the players with help of coaches.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: But the end of the day, it's the coach's decision
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: who plays and who does.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Not, and it should be And I'm not saying that,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I know that for a fact.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. Yeah, I'm not saying you are,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: but but I just wanted to be coach.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Bulky is on the field as a coach almost every
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: every practice, too, is he not?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: So maybe when he's masquerading as a.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Coach, he decides he's gonna put his input in to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: see who's playing. That's that's part of the problem. It
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: was that way in San Francisco. I mean, I.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Told you, I saw your face when I said that.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're not gonna GWO time out now.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: Let me.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: I will speak for myself on this topic. I have
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: not been at.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 5: Any practices in the regular season. I was obviously at
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: camp with a lot of other people. I have no idea.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: I can honestly say I've not been to a practice,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: and I have not been in a practice for the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: in the last two years during the regular season, actually
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: the last since Doug Peterson's been the head coach, I've
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: been at a regular season practice. So I have no idea,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: nor have I Trent does.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Or does not do.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: I have no clue, and I'm not going to come
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: if I'm wrong.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: But the team has sent out video and I think
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: it was like a week ago or so or somewhere
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: where he's on the field talking. Maybe it was when
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: they unveiled their new uniforms or something that he was
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: he was there.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Pete, I must have missed those videos.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Next question from X shaking, can you back me up
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: on that was their video?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: Like that? Am I wrong? I'm sure. I don't think
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: you're wrong. Next question, I don't know.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: From social media earlier today, fanatic expand questions, all right,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: Ed Samuel Duval, lift the embargo on Draft talk? How
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: many more shows repeating yourselves? Can you do well?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: We know.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: That's the funniest question ever, because basically this question is, say,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: you guys say the same dang thing every week. I'm
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: tired of hearing that.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: When are we going to talk about the draft? So
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: this is a Pete Priscoll fan.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: However, Samuel, I hate to tell you, Uh, it's a
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: fair question, but we will not talk about the draft
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: or anything to do with free agency next year, draft,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: roster compilation, or any compensation or compilation is that right said? Compilation,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: composition or whatever, either one you want to say.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: We're four different, oh for three, whatever word you want
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: We're not going to talk about the structure of the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: roster or for next year, what's gonna happen in the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: off season, who they pick, who they cut free agency
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: until we are eliminated mathematically from the playoffs we are
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: still in the play.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: Or not or not you're not, so I can.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Here's what I have to say. Go get big people,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Go get big people. Get some big people. Get some
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: really good big people, whether they're offensive lineman or interior
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: defensive Lineman, go get big people.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna stand by my convictions. No comment.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: You're not the producer of the show. I'm not.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: That's you saying that I love talking draft, so I
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: could talk draft.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: I'm saying early returns.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: If they had the number one overall pick, they would
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: take big people, you know, because everybody's gonna get all
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: in this Travis.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: Hunter thing and get him. He's a great player, and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: he is a great player.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Or what I would do, I would trade trade down
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: and get assets for the pick.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: That's what I would do.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: Travis, Tony, don't go. He almost baited you in talking draft.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, I'm speaking about I'm speaking about watching
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: college football.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: I enjoy watching Travis Hunter. Don't let him do it
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: for Colorado. He's trying to back door you and gets
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: you to talk about it.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: I love the fact that that guy plays both sides
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: of the ball, plays almost.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Every snap in the game, and his dynamic.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: On both sides the ball. Now, you got hurt last week.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: I understand that's too bad, But he's not a big guy.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: These big people, Tony, you're the first one who preaches it.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: There's only so many big people on the planet. Who
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: can play football.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: And Pete, I believe that, you know how, I believe
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: the game is supposed to be played. You know my philosophy,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: you know how I think that you struck build a team,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: you know all those things. But I'm not talking about
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: it until we're eliminated from the playoffs.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: And we're not. We're in the playoff hunt.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Yet we're selling they need to take big people, because
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: you just agreed with me.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: I got it, Pete. We're only four games back right
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: now with eleven to go that we're in.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: It, you know, Okay, twenty fifteen chiefs, the spirit of
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: the sheep, we're in it to win it.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Baby in the.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy Chargers as well, U at least one more
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: question than fan questions today.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Oh we just.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: Had the seventy Chargers.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: Man, how much of a red flag of Cisco's a
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: lot of quid on the field? Comment post came about
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: what's going on behind the scenes with the team. It
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: sounds tremendously concerning. That's at radius, Joe Hanson. So it's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: a it's.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: A blaring, bright red flashing light. I don't know why
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: I would not my recommendation, Andre would say don't say
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: that publicly. If it's an If it's real and that's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: an issue, deal with that behind closed doors, deal with
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: that in the locker room. Call the guys out in
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: the locker room, have the conversation. That's a that's a team,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: that's an internal issue. I just don't think you air
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: that laundry publicly.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean as a journalist, I would have loved it.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: As a as a guy if I was on the team.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: If I was on, hey, kudos to Brett Martina, he
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: got him to say it. But as a as a
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: guy who was involved, if I was a coacher, a
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: player on that team, I wouldn't be happy about it,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: and I would call him out immediately.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: Pete would have been running with that JP. Oh my gosh,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: that would have been the headline of the Times Union
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: with Bye pret Prisco Jaggs quit right. I mean, there
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: would have been a story all week. He would have
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: been asking every player every time at the podium, the
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: coaches up there. He would have been running this thing.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: And you know what times have changed.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Like when I was a beat guy, I really wasn't
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: supposed to put opinion into it. You know i'd have
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: to get but now they like I said, I would
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: be a Jaguars columnist, and I would.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: I would have said, we all thought they quit, but
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: now we know.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: They did because they said it.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: It was gold. Terrible, terrible.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: That's why you can't say that pubblic you cannot say
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: that in the media.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: They have a fanatics fan questions. Thanks for all the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: submissions today, Yeah, there were plenty, and you can check
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• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: wrong again, Pete, I was wrong.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: I like this.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: It was the nineteen seventy Cincinnati Bengals, who were actually
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: one in six and rallied to back the playoffs.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Is that's that's the Greg Cook Bengal If I'm not mistaken,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: he was a I think that was the year he
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: was on his way to be at a star and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: tore his shoulder up.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: I think I don't know if that was. I think
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: that was that year.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: But anyways, you know what the story behind that is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: the West Coast offense.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: The West Coast.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Offense was born off of that because Greg Cook could
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: drive the ball down the field and he got hurt,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: and the quarterback they replaced him with, Bill Walsh was
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: on that staff. Virgil Carter couldn't throw the ball down
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: the field. So that's where the West Coast offense was born.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: Little little football history for you.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: How about that name?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think it was the seventy I think it was.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, Yeah, I never I think.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: So interesting, very interesting.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: He was going to be a star quarterback to take
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: and he tore up his shoulder and that was before
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: surgery could repair his shoulder, and he was never the same.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: He played twelve games, Yeah, had three percent completion percentage
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: for fifteen touchdowns in nineteen seventy nine, nineteen seven, Yeah, Pete.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: In sixty nine he started eleven games, was four to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: six and one through fifteen touchdowns eleven interceptions. So yeah,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: he was a star.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Numbers are different than to look at everybody's numbers.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: I'm joking. I'm joking.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: Nineteen seventy did not play injured shoulder, nineteen seventy one,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: did not play injured shoulder. In seventy two he retired.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: Oh no, he did not play, and then seventy three
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: tried to come back. Played one game through the ball
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: three times, one completion for eleven yards.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's how the West cast I can go
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: down this.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't know we were going to go down this
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole, but.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Here we are.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Let's go educating. Football League. Appreciate that, Pete. You're you're
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: an educator. We appreciate that. Uh NFL games yesterday, Ravens
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: over the Commanders thirty to twenty three. The Packers blasted
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: the Cardinals thirty four to thirteen. The Texans put up
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: forty one on the Patriots forty one to twenty one.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: The Patriots coming here later in the week, they arrive
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: on Friday, and hey, you know we talked about the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Patriots earlier. The Texans are in first place for a reason.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. We thought the division was going
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: to be tough. The Texans are looking around going we're waltson,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: We're waltson. The division's not very good.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: What's the culture? What?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Three and three?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah? But do you think they're any good? If they're healthy?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: I think they got a chance.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: But with correct Theaterbell, the injuries, with who had quarterback Flacco,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: you got you.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Gotta, said Anthony Richards Ody, you want to win, they're
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: not any good.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: Moving along, the Buccaneers put up fifty one on the Saints,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: fifty one to twenty seven.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: The final Saints Tarry two and oh Pete four straight losses,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and you can't blame that on the quarterback, because you know,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: car didn't play.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: Ratler played.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Ratler actually did some good things, but through a couple
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: of interceptions later.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: But their defense was terrible, terrible.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: And they actually got back into the game and took
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: the lead, and then Bucks responded.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: Bucks ran for over two hundred yards without Rashad White.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: If I remember correctly, at the beginning of the year. Pete,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: you said that you didn't think that the Saints were old.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: You said you didn't think they'd be good. I remember
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: they start up to and Oh, I'm like, Prisco doesn't
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: know what he's talking about. Now after losing four straight,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Pete might be right.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I thought Jackson will be a playoff team. So
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of missed too.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Nobody knows.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: The Colts over the Titans, of course, twenty to seventeen,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: Chargers beat the Broncos twenty three sixteen Steelers.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Well, go back to that Chargers game. Bro It's.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: Coach Jim Harball had a hard issue on.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: The sideline and left the game for a while.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought initially we thought initially like he had,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like the upset stomach or something, and then
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: they announced that afterwards.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: That's scary. His heart was out of rhythm. So terrible.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: But I think.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good win for them, coming off a bye
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: and going into Denver and beating them the way they did,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: that's a good win for them. Steelers over, they don't quit.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: They played tough and hard. By the way, In case
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: anybody's wondering.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Pete. Appreciate that. Falcons over the Panthers.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: Everybody's over the Panthers these days, Lions forty seven to nine,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: but over the Cowboys. But Aiden Hutchinson with a broken leg,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: and it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: Was bad man. As soon as that happened, you could
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: read his leg. He knew right away and you could
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: see it. It was one of those danglers. It wasn't good
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: that it's a it's a broken tibia. Now I've seen
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: some doctors on Twitter.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: They say it was just tibbia, wasn't it. Yeah, that's
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: what they said online. Yes, I said, some doctors say
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: that ends the season? Is that right, Tony?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: You know what I read is that he could if
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: they make the Super Bowl, that he could be back
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: by you know, so early February, and that it is
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: not going to be an injury that will impact his
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: career long term.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Is what I'm doing.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the rest of the Sea because that's
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: a damning blow to that defense.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: He was on his way to be maybe the defensive
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: player of the year.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Yep. But they're really good on offense.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: They actually put out a statement this afternoon that Hudginson
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: underwent successful surgery to repair the tibia and fibula.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's both.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: So they've updated it. So got no timetable for return. Yeah,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: he won't play this year. He won't play that this year.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: By the way, is there ever any successful surgery that's
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: any surgery that's announced is not being successful.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: No, But I think what was what I think what
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: was comforting if you're a Lions fan is not that
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: it was successful, but that they're based on the injury,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: there shouldn't be no long term impact to his career.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he should come back no issues next year.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: And I think that because I'm with you, Pete, he's
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: I don't see him coming back this year. Maybe outside
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: chance if they're in the super Bowl, which this is
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: the team that's probably good enough to get there, but
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: you're not gonna have him for the rest of the
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: regular season, all the playoffs until the super Bowl at
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: the soonest.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: But I think the positive, which as a former player
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: and this guy likes good play, watching good football players,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: and he's one of them, I'm glad that there's gonna
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: be should be no impact long term.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one quick thing, uh Gyro fans watched the lot.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: You should watch the Lions a lot. That's why you
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: should watch the Lions lot.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Move on JP Monday Night Football, we head to the Meadowlands.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: It's an AFC showdown for first place. Josh Allen in
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: the three in two Buffalo Bills face Aaron Rodgers and
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: the two and three Jets a week after they whacked
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: head coach Robert Sala after the loss here in London.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: Who you got in the swamps of New Jersey.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Pete, I'm gonna go against the new coach, bump and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: go with the old coach and the old quarterback. I'm
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: gonna take. I'm gonna take the old quarterback. I'm gonna
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: take the younger quarterback. I'm gonna take the Bills to
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: go in there and win this. The whole Jets thing
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: just stinks to me. It stinks, the whole thing.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: I'll take. I'll take the Bills.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Bills win. I think the Bills
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: are the better team.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: All right, that's it. We got some bonus time here
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: with Tony. Yes, we do very good.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I I mean going to next week, people,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: what do you think?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: You got the Patriots? You're a better team.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: I mean they.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: I mean I was just reading online. I mean the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: Gerard Meo came out and said, listen, we have holes
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: in the roster. It's not a one year rebuild, which
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: I actually also think speaks to what Bill Belichick did,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: who's the greatest coach of all time, but it speaks
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: to his the GM side of his responsibilities at that organization.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: It's not a good roster.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: It was not Gerd Mayo was not handed off a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: good roster, and I appreciate his honesty.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: He's like, Hey, this is gonna be both of years
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: to get this thing where we need to.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 4: Pete, who wins Sunday at Wimbley Jacksonville wins?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: If they don't, maybe people don't get back on the plane.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: It's not that funny, Pete. I hope you're all.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they win win by win by
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: a touchdown, and the two defensive ends will each have
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: a sack and a half.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: How about that.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: That helps my prediction of thirty total to.
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  Speaker 2: Two and a half each.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, come on, two and a half boy, let's get
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  Speaker 3: back on tracks.
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  Speaker 4: Tired crew on both continents for the production of today's show,
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  Speaker 4: and thank.
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  Speaker 2: You for listening to Jaguars.
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  Speaker 4: Happy Hour presented by mister Chubby's Wings