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Week Four · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Music and welcome back to the Boundary
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Corner podcast. Along with my partners Brian
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Siegler, Jonathan Talley and Shelton Moss, I am Curtis
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Wilson. This episode is brought to you
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Boys, welcome to a winning Tuesday.
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How's everybody today? Man, it's been a busy, busy week
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for me. Man, I haven't like taken a
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breath since football started on Saturday.
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Between running around, watching games, stuff at work, trying to
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get ready for tonight. It's been busy, but it's been
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fun. Yeah, definitely busy on my end,
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always ripping and running, doing something.
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But it's football season, some people's giving up already.
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I'm just getting started. I'm happy about it, win or lose,
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draw, I'm happy to watch some football every week, all week,
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but this is a winning Tuesday. Sheldon, how you feeling?
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I'm feeling good, my week has not been busy because I'm
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unemployed but hopefully that'll change soon and we've got some
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good content coming up this week.
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I have an article for the key play coming out tomorrow talking
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about the passive game and Kyron Jones.
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So feeling feeling good after a win.
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Hey, as I say, a win is a win, so hope.
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You're doing one that's. Better than being wanted to.
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Yes. That's correct.
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They also say good teams win great teams cover and tonight
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we're going to be talking all about the game down at ODU with
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tell the truth Tuesday and then a little bit later on know the
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enemy where Larry K from the Rutgers night watch our buddy
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inside of college huddle networks going to be joining us
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give a little insight on the Rutgers Scarlet Knights.
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But let's do start with some tell the truth Tuesday because
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what went well, y'all was tally. You said the one big thing that
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had to happen is we needed to. Got to break the curse, man.
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We got to go. We got to go beat the road
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allegations. Nailed it.
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What? What's the judgement?
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We beat them. I mean, I'm sure we're going to
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get into some of it later on, but I got a lot of people that
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was feeling some type of way about the win or upset about it.
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They had 100 yard rusher, actually had 200 yard rushers,
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150 yard passel, 100 yard receiver, had a defensive
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defensive end with four sacks. I don't care who you play
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against, if you get 4 sacks I feel like you're balling.
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Two 4th fumbles, 1 fumble recovery for the same person,
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and DB that struggled in the first game had another pick so.
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Two and two games. I I mean, we had some good stuff
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going on. Yeah, we did some bad stuff too,
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but we had some good stuff, so I'm all right with it.
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She'll know. What about you?
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Yeah, I, it was a very, it wasn't an underwhelming win.
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It was just a very whelming win. Nothing, you know, we, we
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covered, we, we won by 20, really 27 before the backups
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gave that last touchdown. So, you know, I would have liked
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him to see it come out a little bit, a little bit faster for the
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majority of the of the first half.
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Not going to give those big plays, but you know, they, they
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did some good things. They did some not so good
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things. So we'll, I'm sure we'll talk
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about all tonight. You know what?
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I, I saw improvement. I saw improvement.
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And Sheldon says he was, well, not overwhelmed.
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I think Tally was, he wasn't superstitious, but he was
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definitely a little stitious. So I, I think, I think we got
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over to hump a little bit. I'm excited that we scored some
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points, put up 37 against ODU. I'm excited that we covered.
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I'm excited that we were able to, as Tally said, beat the road
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allegations and finally get a victory down there in Norfolk.
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So, I mean, other than that second quarter, there's not a
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whole lot of of complaints that I have for that game.
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And we're going to talk about the second quarter a little bit.
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But what I saw that impressed me the most was just drones and
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Tooting on the ground and drones running with authority.
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Again, authority. Absolute authority.
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He was bringing a hammer real quick.
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Brian, just so you know, we're a sentimental podcast.
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Here we go. Sometimes it's true.
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First of all, y'all said it for me, We finally went in a damn
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game down there in this series. Like it felt like, you know,
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back in 2018, everything went wrong, quarterback broke his
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leg, nobody knew what they were doing on either side of the
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ball. We lose a shootout down there to
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ODU. And then just three years ago,
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two years ago, two years ago, everything that could go wrong
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did go wrong. The ball that was in Norfolk was
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snapped to Williamsbury. We always talk about that.
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This time that none of that happened.
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We just went out and played. We played.
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We did not play down. We played to them.
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And to what y'all have both said.
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I mean, let's talk about the drawing to do the true dog, the
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true dog ground game. 232 combined, 3 touchdowns and it
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wasn't fancy runs, it was that big run from drones.
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I mean, he was looking to. Hurt.
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He was looking to hurt somebody when he got downfield.
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It ain't even good about that. He broke the tackle there kind
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of at the point of attack and then just got out there in the
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open and looking for contact, looking for contact and somebody
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brought it and he got stiff armed into the dirt.
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Made his Mama feel it a little bit and then the next dude got
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truck. So three guys caught some
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allegations on that one. Yeah.
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And it's like that's kind of the Karen that we used to seeing and
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they have for whatever reason went away from that.
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I understand you want to protect your quarterback.
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I will talk about it a little bit later, but and that's who he
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is. I mean, you can't stop Lamar
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Jackson from doing what Lamar Jackson does.
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He's small, he runs, he's going to take some hits.
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But if he doesn't have part of that as his game, he's not a
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effective quarterback. So I mean, what we seen from
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drones is what I expected to see most of the year, but I feel
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like they have kind of shield away from that.
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So I will, I don't know if it was a a call play or he just
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said I think at that point it was like 14 to 10.
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So it's still kind of close. And he was like, all right, fuck
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this. We got to, we got to do
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something, you know what I'm saying?
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And from then on, it kind of looked like, OK, let's start
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dominating the game. 90% get on my back for a little bit.
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Let's go take a ride. Shown anything catch you stat
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wise, data wise or just your eyes from watching those guys
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run? No, not really stat wise or data
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wise anything. I think it was just good to see,
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good to see the offensive open up, some explosive plays and it
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had a couple of gadget plays. Park Clemens, great job as a
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slot receiver. He was a.
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The best jumper jacks I've seen and you know what, we didn't
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throw it to him like UVA, so that.
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He didn't jump off sides. We learned from the mistakes of
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our rivals. Don't throw it to the tackle,
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let him be the decoy. So.
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So so so did you go re watch that play?
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Yeah, I I did rewatch it. So did literally did just the
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safeties head like just like immediately move to the left?
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Like why is he doing that? Yeah, no, they they all took the
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bait and and Lane was just running down Scott free.
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I don't know if I'd be. I'd be interested to see if if
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adds a adds a snap first Parker as a slot receiver and then puts
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that puts that into his final PF upgrade.
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Perfect. Perfect.
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He was a perfect slot receiver, Yeah. 99.9 grade.
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That was a good call. But you know what, look at that
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play and the first thing my thought was the next time you
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run that the safeties are going to go with Lane.
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And I know we get on Parker Clements a lot, but you imagine
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the safeties run up if you're outside.
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Guy locks up his guy Kyron Sweet with an offensive lineman just
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right in front of him. Think about that play design,
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because the next. Time.
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The first thing I'm thinking about is, is Varsity Blues man
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the thing that damn play where I run down feeling act like I'm
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lost, is it? No, it's the play where you
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stand there and do jumping jacks.
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Right. But obviously great game for Jay
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Lane as well. 125 total yards, that touchdown pass and y'all
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the the play where tell me y'all didn't get the feeling that
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whatever it was bad snap, weird hand off and that ball went
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tumbling. I mean, I hate to sit here.
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I sat here and everything from 2022 just came rushing back in
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my brain watching that play like, Oh my God, no, not again,
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not again. And then I'm like, OK, he got
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it, throw it away, throw it away.
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And the next thing you know, we gone.
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Yeah, it wasn't really. I wasn't watching it in in in
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terror actually, because it kind of happened quick, you know, So
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it was like when it happened, I think I text y'all and was like,
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Oh yeah, this is like we're going to win the game.
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You can't have a couple of things like that happen when you
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don't win, you know what I'm saying?
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It's like when you have stuff like that happened to you, it's
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like, yeah, that's your game. It doesn't matter what happens,
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don't matter how close it is, you're going to win.
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You know, when we were in Vanderbilt, they put the ball on
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the ground 93 times, got all of them, pick one of them, ran it
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around. Like when shit like that
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happened, you just like, OK, somebody is on the yeah,
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somebody. Speaking of Vanderbilt, I know
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this is a Virginia Tech podcast and I know a lot of people are
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paying attention to Vanderbilt because we lost to them.
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Did anybody watch any of that game because it was not their
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night? And when I say not that night,
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it was when people ask like, how do people lose?
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And old Georgia State beat them and we couldn't go watch it, go
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watch the game. And when stuff like what happens
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in those games happens, there's nothing you can do.
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It's like quarterback rolls out, he gets hit, fumbles the ball,
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you know, wasn't even a blind side hit.
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Then you got a guy that is a returner on the kickoff that
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gets a safety, you know, bobbles the ball, steps back into the
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end zone, grabs the ball, kneels it, They give them a safe.
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Like when stuff like that happen, you like, come on, man.
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Like it's not your day. So it's like, man, sometimes you
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just got to watch games and and stop watching.
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Well, this team should beat this team and this thing like it's
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all different. So every week's different. 17 to
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20, well, in some cases, 23 old kids in the case of what is it,
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Oklahoma State, Utah, it's 24 and 25 year old kids.
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I mean, yeah, we'll talk about that later.
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But Sheldon, let's go real quick because I think just from our
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eyes, especially Tally and Bronze as we kind of already
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heard, I got a feeling offensive line probably played better,
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more across the board, more average to above average than
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what we've been dealing with this.
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Maybe a couple people are above average in multiple people below
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average. So what did they look like this
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week? Yeah, it was pretty solid
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overall. Certainly just based on the eye
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test, you know, they they kind of opened up a little bit in the
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second-half once they kind of started to wear ODU down.
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But you know, park limits for as much grief as people give him
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and sometimes it's been justified, but not so in this
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case. He was a 75.8, which was really
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good. We saw Johnny Garrett sub in for
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Xavier Chaplin. He was solid at the 68.
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So that was good to see. And then and patch protection.
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Caden Ward was really good. He was a top grader at 85, which
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is very good for an offensive offensive lineman.
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So, you know, we saw we saw Brody Meadows get some snaps
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too. You kind of got into the bench a
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little bit and he actually did extremely well in the limited
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time he was he was in the game. So I thought it was, I thought
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it was a pretty solid performance from the from the
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front 5. And, and again, I told, like I
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told you last year, it was that third game with drones where
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like things start clicking. We start feeling this is the
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offense more and more and the guys have to get comfortable.
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And it's one of those things you can we can scream out, we can be
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mad all year. This happens to a lot of teams.
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We're not the only team in the country this happens to.
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It irritates us probably more than any fan base in the
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country. But that's neither here nor
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there. And that might be an episode,
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any offseason that we might be working on, but.
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I think it's more with how often we end up doing it when, when
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there is any stakes at play, whether it's, you know, a Boise
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back-to-back was, you know, all, all all these weird things that
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happened at the start of the year for the Hokies.
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When there's any sort of expectations attached to a team.
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It's true. It just feels like, you know,
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that there's a reason that chokies exist, and that's one of
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them all. Right, let's roll on and run on
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to the defensive side of the ball with APR because Tally's
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already mentioned it. What a absolute ball game he had
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because he did have 7 total tackles.
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He had the trifecta when it comes to hitting the
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quarterback, the strip, the sack and a formal recovery.
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He had four total sacks. Second time he's had four total
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sacks. And I'm going to just let these
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guys say it. The only other person in
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Virginia Tech history do that is.
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Bruce. Bruce.
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Bruce. Smith.
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Bruce Smith, So that is on some level cool part was Smith was
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standing on the sidelines to see him do it like and he's in in
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APR said in the post. He's like, yeah, he dabbed me up
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before the game. It was just like, you know, and
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it's cool where it happened, especially with APR being down
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there. And I mean, he looked that was
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the best he looked all year. Like he, he finally looked
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comfortable for the first time, at least in my eyes.
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Brian, what did what did you feel did you see from APR?
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Because it looked like that was the APR middle of the last
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season where teams were having to just think about him every
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snap. Yeah, I mean, the explosions
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been there and I think you know it.
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This was a a time that was right for him to kind of take that
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that step because, you know, we talked about it on this show
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last week that this offensive line wasn't a ton to write home
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about. It was it was time for the the
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guys on our defensive line to have a feast.
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And I'm glad to see that they showed up and entered the bell
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for that. Miss Talley.
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Oh yeah, definitely. You know, not much to, to, you
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know, throw in besides what you guys have already said.
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It's like he was bigger and faster and stronger than him and
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he went out and he was bigger, faster and stronger than them.
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Like from the jump, you could tell whoever was was trying to
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block him couldn't do it. So whatever quarterback would
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have been back there, he was getting to him, you know, so I,
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I was excited to see. And like I said, man, the thing
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that kills me though, is when people say like, Oh well, was
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ODU, it don't matter. Like we played Delaware, we
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played, we played a lot of schools and people don't get 4
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sacks against them. So if somebody gets there for if
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somebody gets 4 sacks in the game, I'm hyping it.
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I don't care who it is. I don't care if they're playing
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the school of the blind and deaf.
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Yeah, and I mean, ODU gave that Gamecock team more hell on the
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road and then that that same team turned around and and gave
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LSU every bit that it wanted. So that's not an awful team that
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we went down to Norfolk and played.
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So I I think we need to remember that a little bit.
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Their offensive line might not be exactly what you would want
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to write home about, but that team as a whole is a pretty
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solid G5 team. Well, you got to think about
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this with South Carolina. What they scored 23 on them and
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14 was because they the the offense turned the ball inside
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the what the 20 yard line. Yeah, something like.
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That like that, yeah. South Carolina didn't drive that
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ball at all. Again, so do you and I know it's
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it's again what tell you were just trying to say it's week to
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week and things like that. And Sheldon, I'm sure you you
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could probably find data about like to show us like how teams
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perform because it's it's the the crazy thing I feel about
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college football versus Pro is I feel like Pro is always more
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predictable outcomes. I feel like college it is
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legitimately like playing. I don't know.
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You want to say roulette? Yeah, Callie, you gamble on the.
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You gamble, you go down. The contras when you say
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roulette so. Well, but but it's roulette.
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It's like, where are you going to place the bet?
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How you going to stagger it out? So yeah, but real quick I I
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noticed I think APR second highest defensive end for
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defensive player this week, Sheldon in PFF grades.
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Yeah, something like that. I know he was the the Walter
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Camp player of the week for for the entire country.
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So very well, well deserved honor.
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Yeah, really good on that. High PFF grades and everything.
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And I think just in general, really other than the second
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quarter, the the defense showed up.
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The defense showed up to what we thought they were going to be.
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I know, Shelton, you've got the data point in here.
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We, we, we, you, you. I think, I don't know if you
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texted the group or just me and talking about missed tackle
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rates, how it went down again, what is your perspective, just
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the data and just watching the game, is the defense slowly
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morphing into what we thought it would be from Jump Street
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Shelton? I think it's getting there.
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I mean, I know they they moved up to 35th and SP plus this
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weekend for defense, which was, you know, kind of where they
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started the year. They're, you know, a little bit
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better than the offense right now.
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So but yeah, I mean, like, I like the way Tally's thinking.
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It's not about who you played, it's how you played.
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And APR got his second career force that game.
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Last one was against Wake Forest last year.
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So look, he was a dog 91.1 PFF grade, which was, like I said,
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one of the best in the country. And that's really hard to do as
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AD lineman. Just from what I can see.
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It's you know, the the D line grades for PFF are much more
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kind of condensed in that sort of average range, but a 90 plus
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grade is really good. So mentioned the four stacks, 5
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total Kiwi pressures, which was great and then missed tackles.
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I was looking at this because I've been following it for
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throughout the course of the year.
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Tech had a. 14% missed tackle rate, which a which was a
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significant improvement from the last two weeks.
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That's really good. I think, you know, national
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average is right around 18 to 20%.
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So they cut that down a lot, which is great to see.
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You know, not not having, you know, guys break tackles and and
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get free in the secondary. Obviously you got to make sure
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that, you know, they're not running free, which happens
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sometimes, but, you know, always good to always good to wrap guys
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up. So, yeah.
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And then you look at some of the events that's, you know, we saw
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a lot of a lot of blue on that at advanced, that chart on game
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on paper.com, which is always a good thing.
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You want to see blue 31% success rate for ODU, which was 9th
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percentile all games this year. So they really just just
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smothered them really. So that was that was good to
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see. Yeah, and I mean, when we talk
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about, you know, success rate and getting better game to game,
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it helps when a defense is coming into their own and not
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having to play a triple option offense.
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So if we're seeing improvement, that's one of the reasons we're
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not seeing a funky look where responsibilities are
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significantly different than they would be week to week.
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So we're getting into a little more consistent offensive
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attack. We're going to see, you know,
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where we'll talk about here in a little bit.
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We're going to see a lot more of that this week, a little more
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conventional offensive attack. So you're not not looking so
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much for the, the quarterback to have a lot of misdirection,
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doing a lot of keepers. You know, much, much less of
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that going forward. And and that's, that's going to
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be a good thing for this defense.
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I feel like because when they can play the way they have the
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last few last couple weeks, that's going to bode well for us
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because that's going to keep us in every game regardless of what
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the offense is doing. Anything to add to that, Kelly?
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No, not really, man. I mean, we talked a lot about
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what went good. I mean, you always want to talk
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about what goes good after a win.
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But when you talk about what went good, what went good, you
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also have to talk about what went bad.
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So no lie, Curtis, I'm going to toss it to you and you part us
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with what went bad. Well, y'all know what when I
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texted about Saturday night was we gave up three runs, 40 plus
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yards and that's not good, especially when the other team
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only rushes for 243 yards on close to 40 carries.
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And if you do the math 140 of that on three of them.
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That was the that was the issue last year.
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We saw at times and I and and I listen to the half the the the
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post game stuff and I, I, I relooked at the 65 yard
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touchdown run and and by by all means, I'm I'm trying to figure
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out exactly what the defensive end last ain't blanking on right
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now. Yeah, what what CJ McRae was
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doing and the other one a little miscommunicate, a misfit.
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It's like we, we we can survive against.
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So do you like that? We're about to start a stretch
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of games we can't survive. You cannot give up those big
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runs. And I could hear a little pissed
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off, as in prize voice, because one of those runs, he was true.
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It should have been a 15 yard game.
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It should not have been a 40 plus yard game.
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Right. And that's what happens.
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That's what happens when you guess Curtis, he said.
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You didn't know what he was doing.
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He was guessing. Well, it's.
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Hold on. You want to make a big play.
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You want to hit the running back because you guess that's where
23:47
the ball's going. But your responsibility is
23:49
probably the quarterback, which just ran for a 65 yard
23:53
touchdown. So you got to be disciplined.
23:56
That's what it comes to on all phases of the game.
23:59
You got to be disciplined. Whatever your job is, you got to
24:03
do that job. Now, from what I can see, I
24:05
think that was his man, but it was nobody else there, you know
24:08
what I'm saying? And you know, if you're in that
24:10
kind of coverage, you got to kind of know what's going on and
24:12
where everybody is so. Yeah, especially against that
24:16
offense where they've got their receivers outside the numbers.
24:19
So you don't really have as much support as you would normally
24:24
have from those guys playing corner guys playing nickel,
24:28
depending on where it where it, where they are, maybe even the
24:31
safety there. So you don't have the help that
24:32
you normally would have against that type of offense.
24:36
So if you get, if they get to the alley, they're going to be
24:39
running for a bit. Yeah.
24:42
Sean, anything on either of those?
24:44
Play again. Shelton usually goes back and re
24:47
watches it. I try to sometimes.
24:49
Sometimes I just don't fit into my life.
24:51
But did you like throw when you saw the running plays again?
24:54
Shelton? Did you throw anything the
24:56
second time? You're like, what are you doing?
24:59
No. OK.
25:01
Yeah, I mean. Obviously, like I, I, I don't
25:03
know, you know, we don't know exactly what everyone's
25:05
responsibility is. And you know, that's right.
25:07
It's about my, my pay grade a little bit.
25:09
But yeah, I mean, that was probably the one really the, the
25:13
only area of the game that they struggled in was with the
25:15
explosive run plays. I mean, cause look at like I say
25:17
with the, with the, the advanced stats, Charlie, everything was
25:20
good for tech except for the run stuff.
25:21
So, you know, if we want to talk about this when we get there,
25:24
But you know, the, the big place have really been the sore spot
25:28
for the defense this year. So that's kind of why it's
25:30
slowly concerning. You guys see Mike Rutgers that
25:32
comes in and has a good, really good running game coming to
25:34
Wayne Stadium next week or, or this week.
25:36
So we got to get it cleaned up somehow, someway.
25:39
All right, all right, I'm going to go to the next one that what
25:42
went bad and I'm going to pitch this to you tally because I want
25:46
to hear your anger on this. So you have 14 nothing.
25:50
You had a fast start, right? Good start.
25:54
You drive again, you're at the 25 yard line.
25:56
You got John Love, who is one of the more accurate kickers, not
26:00
only in Virginia Tech history, right now in college football,
26:03
and it's 4th and four. What?
26:06
What are you supposed to do that?
26:07
Are you really supposed to go for it?
26:09
Man, I'm taking the layups. Man, I know you want to, you
26:13
want to lean on the team that you're supposed to be better
26:16
than or you're supposed to do this.
26:18
And I'm just the kind of person where I feel like you got
26:23
momentum. Don't give it up at that point.
26:27
Like you said, if you had a questionable kicker or you had
26:31
the perfect play call, sure. But Jon Love has been money.
26:36
You know, I'm giving him an opportunity to go and get him
26:39
another stat. Hey man, go kick this field goal
26:41
for us. So that's just how I feel.
26:44
I mean, it's good to be aggressive, but at the same
26:48
time, sometimes it comes back and bites you.
26:50
And I feel like it always come back and bite us As Virginia
26:53
Tech fans when something like that happens.
26:55
You miss a field goal, then they score, then mishap, take the
26:59
points because you take those points.
27:01
If you hit that then you're up 17 to 0, you know?
27:05
I think I drive the ball. Three times, yeah.
27:08
I just feel when that happened, I was yelling take the point.
27:12
So I feel like that was a a missed opportunity for us.
27:16
Yeah, I feel like sometimes we get a little out of kilter as
27:20
far as when to be aggressive and when to just take, like Tally
27:23
said, take the layups. That was definitely one.
27:26
I mean, I know we were in, we're in a group chat, we were sending
27:29
messages. We're like kick it, kick, kick,
27:31
kick, kick, kick it. And I mean, like Tally said, you
27:34
want to lean on them. You want to go out there to
27:35
search yourself. You want to say, hey, we can, we
27:38
can get the first down here. But sometimes you just got to
27:41
take the points and move on to the next drive because you've
27:43
shown you can drive the football.
27:45
You're going to get some more opportunities.
27:47
Take the points. Yeah.
27:50
Sheldon, any, any any comments on that any any analytics where
27:55
it says go for it there or? Or what should I mean?
27:59
No, yeah, I mean it's, I have no idea what, you know, different
28:05
analytic charts will say different things.
28:07
I think you probably in that situation probably go with the
28:09
flow, like take the points more than four.
28:14
That's kind of for me, that's kind of like iffy territory.
28:16
I just don't have a huge amount of confidence in BT being able
28:18
to convert that. So I just, I would just say take
28:20
the points, you know, maybe if you're playing, I think if
28:23
you're, if you're an underdog, it makes more sense to be
28:25
aggressive and risky. I just, I don't think it makes
28:27
sense in that situation where you're playing against a team
28:29
that you know you're better than.
28:31
See, while was also pissed off about that because up to that
28:34
point they had 18 yards offense, 18 yards.
28:38
And and it's really funny, you see how the momentum switches
28:41
because at that point you kick the field goal.
28:45
They have no belief there is. The honest truth is I wonder if
28:50
they get to 10 in that quarter because now you have 17 and
28:52
they're like, Oh my God, are we going to be able to do this?
28:55
All right. You gave them belief, don't give
28:57
the underdogs belief. Ever.
28:59
Couple other things that went bad.
29:01
That's first kick of John's. I was like, did John miss one?
29:04
Know he got it blocked. That is now the third effective
29:09
big blunder on special teams this year.
29:12
It's been one a week and now it's it's a trend now and now I
29:17
sit here and say what's going to happen next week?
29:19
What are we going to screw up? And it's something different
29:22
each time. So that that's where it's a
29:24
little more frustrating. You can't even like necessarily,
29:27
you know, draw a circle around, OK, well, we need to improve,
29:30
you know, how we're fair catching footballs or we need to
29:34
improve how we're blocking on kickoff or, you know, how we're
29:39
protecting on punt. Like there there's something
29:41
different every week. So that's that's a little more
29:45
frustrating because you can't necessarily say it's one thing
29:48
or the other. It's a little bit of everything
29:50
that we've seen a coaching blunder directly with the with
29:54
the numbers you see. OK, well, they they went to a
29:58
different look and we didn't call a time out.
30:01
You know, should we have been prepared for that?
30:03
Should we should, should that be a coaching thing that we should
30:05
have just stopped and said, let's look at it again on the
30:09
block punt and then now you've got a block field goal where in
30:14
early in that game it didn't look like we were doing a good
30:16
job with protection up the middle.
30:17
Regardless, we were now getting folks were kind of shooting the
30:20
gaps in the middle of that, that field goal unit.
30:24
So that's something to look at. But again, it's, it's, it's kind
30:29
of inconsistent across the board on special teams with no real
30:32
fixed area that we can look at. Yeah, I mean, a special teams
30:39
unit was really good last year, so basically one of the top
30:41
units in the country. So I know there were some
30:44
nefarious individuals on Twitter who wanted to fire Stew Halt He.
30:48
Really has. Yeah, every single, every single
30:51
week. I'm not going to, I'm not going
30:52
to name names, but we know who we know who they were.
30:56
We'll see you'd wrestling season.
30:57
Yeah, I mean, The thing is with, yeah, with, with special teams,
31:02
there's such a there's such a limited sample size of plays
31:04
that if you have 3 or 4 really bad ones, it kind of hurts you a
31:07
lot in the in the stats. So I don't know, I mean, it
31:10
could just be players not executing and maybe it's a
31:12
coaching problem, but I don't know.
31:13
I think I think Stewart's done mostly a pretty good job.
31:15
So, well, I guess we kind of just got to see how it plays out
31:17
the rest of the year. All right, fellas, fellas,
31:21
anything else in y'all's opinion went bad on Saturday?
31:29
I mean, we had another slow second quarter other than that,
31:32
like, you know, looking at big picture for this game, second
31:36
quarter aside, I don't really have a ton of complaints.
31:39
All right, Charlie Sheldon, my only other complaint went bad.
31:46
I would have liked to have buried them in the third quarter
31:49
because we, our defense gave us every opportunity to put that
31:53
game away at 28 to 10 in the third quarter.
31:56
It took us to the 4th to finally knock them out.
31:58
That's my biggest bad. Like a special.
32:04
You went on meet bud. Muted yourself, Kurt.
32:11
Still muted. We don't know what's going on
32:16
with Curtis. Somebody didn't want him to
32:18
talk, so they put him on mute while we got Curtis on mute.
32:22
OK, you back. Here we go.
32:23
All right. Y'all going to have to run it
32:24
for a second because something's going on with my mic again,
32:27
y'all? Well, while Curtis is having mic
32:29
problems, we're just going to bring new new King to the to the
32:32
forefront. We ain't fucking worried about
32:35
Miami right now. We're worried about Rutgers.
32:37
We'll talk to you next week. I don't even know who y'all play
32:39
this week, but you better be worried about whoever y'all
32:42
play. We'll talk to you next week.
32:44
Do King. Thank you for joining in.
32:47
S Florence. Because if y'all don't remember
32:51
just a couple weeks. Ago South Florida.
32:52
Sorry y'all, I completely lost everything.
32:55
A couple weeks ago. South Florida went into Talley's
32:58
home state and gave a team that's a whole lot more talented
33:02
a hell of a run. Saturday night had them boys
33:06
sweating bullets down there in Tuscaloosa.
33:08
All right, let's go to this real quick.
33:11
Brian, anything happened you were not prepared for?
33:16
I wasn't prepared for finally jumping out the gate and getting
33:19
a fast start. I, I, I didn't necessarily, it
33:22
was one of those things I wanted to happen, but I wasn't
33:24
necessarily prepared for it. So when it happened, it was very
33:28
much a, woah, OK, this is what we can do out the gate.
33:32
This is what I was expecting at Vanderbilt.
33:36
I got it ODU so I'm thankful for it here but I was expecting it
33:39
there. What about you Tally anything
33:42
that you were not prepared for to happen?
33:45
Yeah, I wasn't going to say, I guess.
33:48
Yeah, you can't really be prepared for like injuries, you
33:52
know what I'm saying? Like right out of the gate,
33:55
Chaplin goes down. We don't see him anymore.
33:58
Jennings was real limited. I don't know exactly what's
34:01
going on with him, but he went down.
34:03
So just a couple of things. The injuries, I wasn't really
34:06
prepared for that. But on the upside, some of the
34:09
people that came in and, and, and played for him, I mean, they
34:14
looked good. It helped.
34:15
It helped that we had a little bit of depth, especially on the
34:18
offensive line. So I wasn't prepared for that,
34:21
but it was it was good to see. Yeah, it it, I think that's
34:25
where we, we, we set earlier about a month ago and talked
34:28
about depth, right? Like we felt like depth at
34:31
certain positions was a lot better.
34:33
So Kelly, I'm with you. When I saw Garrett, because X
34:36
was in there for Xavier, was in there for a couple plays and
34:38
then next thing you know he's gone.
34:41
Coach Robbie text me like who the hell 79 he got?
34:44
No name plate. No name plate, baby.
34:48
And you know what? They apparently they were.
34:51
They were. They were thinking of doing
34:52
something tricky. You know, with.
34:56
That because with no name plate that means there's going to be
34:58
270 nines on the field. I don't know if there's a 79 on
35:01
defense or not. So yeah, the other thing that
35:07
for me that I like Brian was not prepared for was that fast start
35:16
because it had been so slow and just been.
35:18
And when it's pop, pop you are dictating, in the words of Brian
35:22
Siegler, you are dictating the terms to what you want to do.
35:26
We did that right out of the gate and that's something we had
35:29
not been able to do lately. So it's just good to see that
35:32
because I think it's fan that gives you hope, right where you
35:36
say, OK, we can take the ball the first time goes for some
35:38
points. Curtis, let me ask you
35:40
something. I ain't even thinking about this
35:41
on the rundown, but another thing I wasn't really prepared
35:44
for. Did you see how much we used the
35:47
backup quarterback in the slot and stuff like what are we?
35:52
Are we setting something up? Like, I was on my end, I was
35:56
looking at it like we've got a lot of receivers that can run
36:00
some plays in the rounds, whatever, put them in and we
36:03
might get a score. But on the other hand, like I'm
36:06
wondering what they're trying to do.
36:07
So what do you feel about that courtesy and seeing Schlee in
36:10
there as much as he was? Well, I heard it a couple times
36:14
and saw it. It's just like, to your point,
36:16
it's like we got all these receivers, you know, we know Ali
36:18
was banged who said it after game, he tweaked something and
36:22
at the point where it was like, OK, well, he probably can go
36:24
back in. It's like, well, hold on, we're
36:25
winning the game, put him to the side.
36:29
But as much as we saw that, what did you think when he went from
36:33
shotgun? They got drones over in the
36:35
slot. I don't know what the time.
36:37
Well, the only thing I saw was like, wait a second, what are we
36:42
about to run here? And then it's like a fake
36:44
reverse and Schlee went up. I mean, it was a beautiful
36:46
little quarterback sweep because you my first thought of the
36:50
inclination is those safeties back there saw drones and they
36:53
saw them going by. Like he's gonna hand it off to
36:55
him. He's on Chuck it on us.
36:57
And he didn't. And then they again, it's a 10
37:00
yard game. I don't think it's anything
37:01
wrong with it. But I also think, you know what
37:05
I thought to myself, Tally, I think the confidence in pop is
37:08
going up. I think the confidence pop is up
37:11
Now where they feel, hey, we have this dynamic player.
37:14
He started a bunch of games. He knows college speed.
37:17
How can we utilize that? All right.
37:20
Yeah, go ahead, Brian. I was just going to say, yeah,
37:23
that that I think that's a good point.
37:25
I think, you know, you got to take advantage of the talent
37:28
that you have out there. And when you have a guy that can
37:31
throw but is an athlete that gives you another wrinkle,
37:34
right? And and and there's nothing
37:36
wrong with adding an extra wrinkle to your offense.
37:38
And you know what, another thing is kind of you got to play the
37:40
game within the game. So if Kyron decides to move on
37:46
after this year, you know, to go on the big and better things,
37:52
what does your quarterback situation look like?
37:54
Like you kind of got to depend on Pop.
37:56
You know, he's been in the system in the second year,
37:59
right? So going in the next year will
38:01
be year three. If he doesn't touch the field at
38:03
all, does he decide to leave? You know what I mean?
38:06
So things like that. So it was good to see him get on
38:09
the field. And like you said, Curtis, I, I,
38:11
I can maybe see that and agree with that.
38:14
Well, they've got a little bit more confidence in him where,
38:17
hey, if something happens where you'll wind it, we ain't going
38:19
to even say hurt, you'll wind it and can't go in.
38:21
We do have another quarterback that we can put in and.
38:24
He did go in. He did go in last series.
38:26
I can see that. All right, as always, we get to
38:29
our last piece here. Hopefully Shelton has figured
38:32
out his Internet, all sorts of technical issues tonight on the
38:35
Bouncer Corner podcast. That happens occasionally.
38:37
But what can we do better moving forward?
38:40
I know Shelton's got something he wants to do in the passing
38:42
game, so I'm going to try to hold him off to the end.
38:46
But what about you, Tally? There he is.
38:49
So we're going, Sheldon, you were going to be our last
38:52
because I know you got a lot to say and you got an article
38:55
coming out with Tally, Sheldon, talk about the passing game and
38:58
all that. But what are you looking at with
39:01
what can we do better moving forward?
39:05
I'll say what what can we do better moving forward is mainly
39:08
just just a defensive run fits for the most part.
39:11
You know what I'm saying? Like again, I don't know the
39:14
schemes that they run. I just know kind of what I see
39:16
and what I know of football. The free flowing schemes is kind
39:21
of having linebackers. They can run side to side is
39:24
great, but sometimes you got to have a gap responsibility and
39:27
come downhill and hit because if you're constantly going side to
39:30
side and not North and South, sometimes things get by you.
39:33
So I'd like to see us just build on what we've been doing.
39:37
You know this next you're going to have a physical game this
39:39
week. They're going to come in,
39:41
they're going to be well coached, they're going to be
39:42
physical. You're going to have the
39:44
opportunity to size somebody up and hit them.
39:46
So we don't need, no, we don't need Sheldon to be having to
39:51
spend his whole night talking about missed tackle rates and PW
39:56
IS and WWFS. We need y'all to come downhill
40:01
and hit somebody that show gap. Don't let nobody come through
40:03
it. So I like to see that moving
40:05
forward, Ryan. Yeah, I mean, you talked about
40:10
it and and, and I'm going to flip it to the other side.
40:12
Let's get let's get more of our weapons involved in the offense
40:17
consistently. I know we've got a couple guys
40:20
with Knicks. I know we got a couple guys that
40:22
are still kind of working themselves back into playing
40:24
shape. I'd like to see Felton get more
40:26
targets. I'd like to see, you know, if,
40:29
if Jennings is healthy, I'd like to see him get some more
40:31
targets. Yeah, right now we have a good
40:34
problem that we have probably too many mouths to feed from a
40:37
wide receiver standpoint. At the same time, I think
40:41
because they each bring a little bit of a different skill set to
40:45
the table, it'd be nice to see them all get involved because
40:48
that's going to make the offense more dynamic.
40:49
I'm. Going to throw.
40:51
I'm going to throw something on that before we go to the next
40:53
thing too. Kind of what Brian was saying,
40:56
you know, too many mouths to feed and more targets and stuff.
41:00
Another thing with the players and they have to realize, and I
41:02
know it's a hard thing to do, but and I and I think they're
41:06
fully capable of it. Like when you're getting like
41:09
limited opportunities, you have to make the best at opportunity
41:13
when you get it. Like, you know, I've seen some
41:15
wide receivers go to all games, you know, ball hits you in the
41:19
hands, you drop it because you're excited, you're getting
41:21
it. Like you got to make that catch
41:22
because you don't know when it's going to come around again.
41:25
You got to think about your quarterback back there.
41:27
He's getting the ball to who he's comfortable with when he
41:31
starts. When things go awry and Kyron
41:35
starts scrambling around back there, if you go look at the
41:38
games, who does he look for? He's looking for Jay Lane or
41:41
he's looking for guys Nail, but they're also knowing where to go
41:45
and getting in the position to be open.
41:46
So, you know, I'd like to see some of our playmakers.
41:52
If everybody's on the scramble drill, everybody just get in the
41:54
scramble drill. I know we can't throw it to
41:56
everybody, but you got to be open sometimes too.
41:59
And I'm not saying that that's not because I can't see the
42:00
whole field, but I'm just saying if I'm looking at things from a
42:04
past perspective, like there's a couple of people that are
42:07
getting open when he's scrambling around with that.
42:09
But like when Curtis said that ball was bouncing around and he
42:14
was nervous, like I knew when he picked it up and he and that
42:17
first man missed him, I was like, those nails going to be
42:20
open and it was Jay Lane. But so that's that's what I
42:23
would want to add to that. Nice, Sheldon.
42:26
I'm going to let you go man, because you got some stuff.
42:28
You mentioned to us that going better moving forward.
42:31
You wrote an article about it. Go, man.
42:34
Yeah. So the biggest thing I think
42:36
that has to improve as a passing game and it's been a little bit
42:39
lackluster so far this year through three games, some of the
42:43
key stats Hokies are 105th in passing success rate and that
42:47
includes passes and sacks as well.
42:50
A little bit better than the rush game, but really the the
42:52
pass game's been kind of their their biggest sore spot.
42:55
So when I was looking at numbers this week, what I found was that
42:59
teams are playing zone extremely often against tech 81%, if
43:05
memory serves, zone defense. That's a 40% increase from last
43:09
year. So what they're trying to do, I
43:10
think is, you know, flood the passing lanes, get Kyron off his
43:14
primary read, you know, make him go through his 2nd and 3rd
43:16
progressions, essentially have him scan the field and try to be
43:18
a drop back passer. And for the most part, it's
43:21
worked pretty well. Particularly, you know, one
43:23
thing that Tech had success with last year was their short
43:26
passing game. They're really good there in
43:27
terms of, you know, throwing behind a lot of scrimmage screen
43:30
passes, you know, get the ball to your playmakers, get it out
43:33
quickly. Don't let your O line block for
43:35
a long period of time and let your playmakers make plays in
43:37
space. Now that worked really well last
43:40
year, but this year their efficiency on those short throws
43:43
has just plummeted. I think drones was second,
43:47
second worst passes rating among all power Power 4 quarterbacks
43:51
in efficiency on short throws. So, you know, that's a big sore
43:56
spot for me. I think, you know, obviously
43:59
it's easier when, you know, you got guys looking at the
44:01
quarterback. They're not logged on to their
44:02
man. And I just think that, you know,
44:05
drones has to be able to to to scan the field a little bit
44:09
better, be more consistent in his footwork and his mechanics,
44:11
because I think that's where he struggled a little bit.
44:13
You know, when you're on your second or third read and you're
44:17
sitting there in the pocket having to go through his
44:19
progressions and it's it's easy to, you know, maybe get a little
44:23
bit rushed, in which case your mechanics suffer.
44:25
So I think if if drones, the hope is that he can have the
44:30
game slowed down for him a little bit because this is
44:31
really the first time in his career where he's been forced to
44:34
be a a traditional drop back passer.
44:37
And it's been it's been a challenge.
44:39
So I think hopefully he gets better with more experience.
44:42
But if I'm a you know, if I'm a tech fan, that's that's the
44:46
biggest concern for me is like, can tech be efficient against
44:49
zone defense when other teams know they're passing the ball?
44:52
Can they? Can they push it downfield?
44:55
Yeah. And I think to a point, I'm glad
44:58
you make the point with the zone versus man in that case,
45:00
Shelton, because one way you can do zone Busters and everything
45:04
is roll the pocket and move, Karen, because immediately you
45:07
start moving and they're downfield, they're locked on
45:10
him, They're usually vacating zones.
45:12
People are getting off their spots.
45:15
We talked about, I think you mentioned a couple weeks ago,
45:17
we're not rolling the pocket much.
45:19
It's OK to do that, get him comfortable because we have seen
45:23
when he has gotten comfortable, he is going to make throws.
45:27
But you've got to get him there every week and if it's rolling
45:30
the pockets, if it runs zone reads, RPO, stuff like that.
45:34
That's on Tyler Bowen though. Tyler Bowen's his first thought
45:37
should be my first 10 play should be get Kyron comfortable
45:42
and whether it's him running or passing.
45:45
So I'll go flip it. I didn't even write this on
45:47
here. Go better moving forward.
45:49
Get Karen comfortable quicker because the quicker he's
45:51
comfortable, the the quicker he's going to do exactly what
45:55
Sheldon's talking about. He's going to be more come from
45:56
the past going through his reads.
45:58
One more piece I'll say I want to see better going forward.
46:01
I don't want any more special teams blunders.
46:03
I want a clean game Saturday. I don't want double jerseys.
46:07
I don't want to block kick. I don't want to block, punt,
46:12
clean, write that down. And the honest truth is this.
46:17
That was the best game we've played all year.
46:19
It's been three games in the best complete game.
46:22
I still think the best half of football was probably against
46:25
Vanderbilt. Honest to God, truth, I think
46:27
that was the best half we've played all year.
46:29
But a complete game beginning in, that's it.
46:31
And I think we sit here and probably everybody watching us
46:34
tonight and our fans, I don't think we're even close to the
46:40
peak yet. No.
46:41
I don't think. Still haven't played a complete
46:44
game still. Haven't played a complete game,
46:46
still haven't played our best game, so that's where I'm going
46:50
to leave that one last piece. A lot of people injured and
46:52
questionable this week and it's going to happen.
46:57
But I'm for one. Everybody who's banged up, just
47:01
let them sit till Saturday. And I know you want them to go.
47:05
Through practice, but it's like practice is a good thing, but we
47:08
need games. All righty.
47:11
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So we jump from the Hokies and tell the truth Tuesday to now we
47:49
are going to get to know the enemy.
47:52
And just like last week, we have found another very special
47:56
guest. So we are introducing this week
47:59
part of the college huddle, Larry K, who was from the
48:02
Rutgers Night Watch. Larry, how are you doing this
48:05
evening, Sir? How you fellas doing?
48:07
I'm doing good man. I'm doing good.
48:10
Man, rocking and rolling it was, it was fun.
48:12
For those that don't know, me and Larry had a nice little 45
48:17
minute conversation earlier today.
48:19
I talked to little Hokies with him.
48:21
He's returning the favor. Talking a little Scarlet Knights
48:24
with us tonight. Yes, Sir.
48:26
Yeah, my show Brian came on and people got a lot from it.
48:30
So it was a lot of fun today and then I had to hop off and do a
48:33
Pro Football thing and then back with you guys.
48:35
So excited about the game Saturday, Excited to talk
48:38
Rutgers and to let you guys know whatever you want to know.
48:42
Awesome. Well, Larry, before we get into
48:45
all the nuts and bolts of the offense, defense and a little
48:47
bit about Rutgers this year, a little bit about yourself, how
48:49
did you stumble upon doing a Rutgers football podcast?
48:53
So I had kind of an audio background.
48:55
I had done like different podcasts growing up, you know,
48:59
sometimes current events, podcasts.
49:00
I was into music growing up, so I kind of had to set up with a
49:03
microphone and keyboard and all Pro Tools and most audiological
49:08
stuff. So I started doing, believe it
49:10
or not, I'm a Miami Dolphins fan for the NFL, even though I'm a
49:13
Jersey guy. Long story, not worth going into
49:15
today, but I started a podcast doing that because I'm like, OK,
49:19
I want to talk just about my pro team, whatever.
49:21
It kind of took off. So then I'm sitting there and
49:23
I'm like, you know, I'm a Rutgers fan too, and I go to
49:26
every game and I'm an alum and I'm like, there's really not a
49:29
lot of, you know, content out there on a regular basis for
49:33
Rutgers stuff aside from the beat writers and whoever.
49:36
So there's a void there. And if I can fill that with the
49:39
equipment and the wherewithal I already have, maybe it could go
49:42
well. And it it's so far has gone
49:44
well. And then I went on with Zach
49:46
Guggenheim of Big 10 Talk and Big 10 Football Talk, and then
49:51
he was kind of involved with setting up the college huddle.
49:53
So they extended me the invite. I used to write for a site
49:57
called On the Banks, which was like the Rutgers portion of SB
50:01
Nation. And so they kind of ran it kind
50:04
of professionally over there. So I was able to write for them
50:06
for quite a while. Aaron Brightman at the Scarlett
50:11
Scarlett Faithful, who runs his own podcast, brought me on to
50:14
that, and he was my editor. So then when there was an
50:17
opportunity to go out of my own, you know, I did it and I write
50:20
creatively and whatnot. So it was kind of like an easy
50:22
transition, Hey, And it's a lot easier to talk all, all the time
50:26
than to write it down. So kind of did night watch my
50:29
show and took off from there. That's awesome, Larry.
50:34
And I love hearing kind of that journey because I think
50:37
everybody that's a podcaster kind of has their own unique
50:40
journey of how they got to this, whether it's just having a, a, a
50:44
fun chat with some, with some fans or whether they kind of
50:47
went through, you know, like you, you know, writing, doing
50:51
other podcasts and other venues. And then you kind of get to,
50:53
well, here's my passion and kind of, you know, you find your
50:56
niche in, in that fandom. But it's good to hear that.
51:00
Like I said, I, I love jumping on with you earlier.
51:02
It was a really good time and just just chopping up and
51:05
talking some football with you. So we're going to get to it.
51:08
Let's start on the offensive side of the ball.
51:12
Yeah, offensive coordinator Kirk Shiraka.
51:15
What can we expect from this Scarlet Knights offense when it
51:20
kicks off at 3:30 on Saturday? We are, as most probably know
51:25
and suspect we are, a ground and pound.
51:27
First thing we want to do is establish the run game.
51:30
Kyle Monunguy Really, really tough runner.
51:34
Monster. Absolute Monster.
51:37
Came out of high school with Jalen Berger in the same class
51:39
and Jalen got all the hype and fanfare, but Mananga has been
51:44
the steady presence who's developed from freshman to now.
51:48
Decided to come back. I thought his stock was pretty
51:50
high last year. Came back to school for this
51:53
year, has been running his butt off the first two weeks already.
51:58
They're going to like to try to get in there, you know, inside
52:01
the tackles, inside the guards. But once every once in a while,
52:03
once they've established that, Kyle's going to see the pile and
52:06
he's going to cut back and try to find a lane outside and cut
52:09
around that way. They tried to build the pass
52:12
game off of the run. You might have some play fakes
52:15
and they're going to try to take a deep shot or two.
52:17
Last year, Gavin Wimsett was the quarterback, had a lot of
52:21
wheels, had a lot of legs. But this year, Athan
52:23
Kaliakmanis, who's a Minnesota transfer, came in and he was a
52:28
starter for about a year and a half, I believe at Minnesota.
52:31
He's reunited with Kirk Shiraka and he's pretty accurate
52:35
quarterback. I think his issues might come in
52:38
when he tries to squeeze it a little bit into coverage.
52:40
But he can he can hit guys in stride.
52:42
He can hit guys down the field. So you're looking for a running
52:46
offense that tries to take its shots.
52:49
The only thing that's non traditional, when I say
52:51
traditional, I'm talking, you know, millennial.
52:54
So the 80s I formation is not there.
52:55
You know, we got one back, three wide outs and a tight end.
52:59
But other than that, it looks fairly fairly traditional.
53:02
Hey, let me ask this, Larry, what was the feeling not only of
53:05
yourself, but you know, your friends, fellow alums, when the
53:09
Gavin Winstadt did leave and they brought in Athena or you,
53:13
you said his name Perfect. I'm terribly I don't know the
53:17
Greek kid, the Greek kid. That's what I want to call other
53:20
Greek kid We keep. Going down, yeah.
53:22
Yeah. But what was the thought?
53:24
Because like with us, Winstadt, I mean, he gashed us last year
53:27
with some of those read options, some of those, you know, like
53:30
quarterback sweeps. And for us, we're looking like
53:33
he's gone. Wait a second, there goes the
53:36
running element away. I think, you know, for the
53:39
longest time Rutgers and there's been these debates in football
53:42
circles, you know, Rutgers has a a chance to get athletes at the
53:46
quarterback position given their recruiting territory.
53:49
And should we go for a dual threat quarterback?
53:51
We finally do it with Gavin, who happens to be from Kentucky.
53:54
I, I, I really like the kid, quite frankly.
53:57
He came in young, he was developing, he had wheels and he
54:00
had the arm talent. The thing was, as the season
54:03
progressed, I think Rutgers fans thought that, wow, we're in a
54:08
better position in 2023 than we actually expected to be.
54:11
We're a little bit ahead of schedule and if you look at some
54:14
of the the games down the stretch, get bowl eligible
54:18
fairly early. Everybody expected it because of
54:20
the way the schedule, you know, shook out that we would lose a
54:23
lot of games towards the end of the year.
54:25
But nonetheless, it kind of takes its toll on the fan base.
54:27
And they're saying if we could have completed a pass here, this
54:31
guy was wide open there. There were accuracy issues with
54:34
Gavin Wimset that were hard to deny.
54:36
Now. I loved the player and I
54:38
actually was still rooting for him.
54:39
They bring in at 8th and Caliac Manis and I'm rooting for for
54:43
Gavin to continue to progress and to win the quarterback
54:45
competition. But after spring ball and even
54:48
during the spring game, you know, it's just evident that
54:52
Athens landing simple passes, you know, screen passes, quick
54:57
slants, passes that get the ball in the hands of I think some
55:01
pretty talented playmakers that given the running game, if you
55:05
could protect the ball. And Gavin wasn't a turnover
55:08
machine. He just wasn't completing his
55:10
passes at a high enough clip. If you can be a little more
55:12
accurate and land the ball in the hands of your playmakers
55:16
early in a play, I think Rutgers thought they had a chance to be
55:19
even better. And after spring ball, Schiano
55:22
talked with Gavin, from what I understand, and the competition
55:25
wasn't even close. So Gavin was afforded the chance
55:27
to go elsewhere. Now you lose something with the
55:30
wheels with Athan Kelly, Mattis. Now he can look at, there's
55:33
designed runs. He has some wheels, not the same
55:36
type of wheels. From watching the first two
55:39
weeks. There could be issues where you
55:42
know, Gavin wouldn't have thrown it or would have thrown it away.
55:44
Maybe Athan's trying to sneak it in there At the same time.
55:48
There's a lot. The ball is on the numbers, the
55:50
ball's on time and it's on time and on the numbers at a much
55:54
greater clip than we saw with Gavin.
55:55
So it's a different attribute from the quarterback position,
56:00
but it's I think Rutgers thinks anyway.
56:02
And Kirk Shiraka thinks it's beneficial because now the
56:05
ball's in the hand of your playmakers.
56:06
Gavin was a playmaker. So it's give and take, but.
56:09
Yeah, Yeah. So you're losing some of that
56:11
dynamic playmaking ability, but you're upping the chance of
56:14
getting the ball more quickly and accurately to your other
56:16
playmakers in that offense. So like you said, some give and
56:20
take there. Since you talked about the
56:21
playmakers, who were some of the other playmakers on this
56:24
offense? Well, what's interesting is I
56:26
was going to kind of, and I thank you for the segue there
56:28
too. I mean, Christian Dremel was the
56:29
leading receiver on the team last year.
56:32
He's now the 4th receiver on the team.
56:34
I mean, and that just kind of shows how much they tried to
56:37
build up that playmaking talent. Now, Chris Long, who broke a
56:42
bunch of high school records in New Jersey, he's a junior.
56:45
He's been with the team for quite some time, but he
56:47
constantly would run into injury problems.
56:49
Every year. He's a deep ball threat.
56:51
He had a long touchdown against Akron the other week and he's
56:56
back in the starting lineup. He's on the edge.
56:59
Damir Miller comes up a level from Monmouth University.
57:03
He was the leading, I think he was a leading Mac receiver last
57:07
year and he came up and he's been in the slot.
57:10
He's been a really, really good at getting separation, coming
57:13
back for the ball. He knows the intricacies of
57:15
route running and he's actually been a really good asset to the
57:19
team. Dremel was kind of playing that
57:21
position and now he's the backup.
57:24
And then you have Ian Strong, who was from Long Island.
57:28
He's a sophomore. Last year you saw some flashes.
57:33
He's a bigger bodied receiver. He can get open.
57:36
He has good hands. You saw some flashes last year,
57:39
especially in the red zone. And now this year he's taking
57:42
the next step. I mean, his body has changed a
57:44
lot. He's really come into his own
57:46
and he's playing on the edge. So those three guys in addition
57:50
to Manungai are are an interesting bunch.
57:54
And then you have Fletcher, the tight end who was a converted D
57:57
end D lineman and he's got two touchdowns through two weeks.
58:04
Victor Konopka's the other tight end.
58:05
You look at their blocking abilities and you know they're
58:09
still developing in that realm. But as far as going out and
58:12
catching the ball, Fletcher's been a pleasant surprise and a
58:15
nice addition. So watch for him to come out in
58:19
the flat. You know, they like to set that
58:20
up to you're looking at the guys downfield, you got the play
58:24
fake. All the sudden Kyle is going to
58:26
block and Fletcher's breaking off into the flat.
58:29
He's got two touchdowns that way.
58:30
So they like those short passes. They like to get the ball in the
58:33
hands of these athletes and run, run it that way.
58:37
Larry, you know, something that's been a little bit more
58:39
impressive to me as well and Amy didn't mention is the backup
58:42
running back. I think it's Raymond when
58:44
Menonga goes out and he's catching a breather.
58:47
I mean, y'all's backup running back is getting 5 yards to carry
58:50
as well. So it's just kind of a
58:52
implication to what your offensive line is doing.
58:55
I mean, again, like I said about our team, doesn't matter who you
58:59
play, it matters about you. Like you can play in the in the
59:03
country, if you're not doing what you're supposed to do,
59:05
you're not going to be effective.
59:06
Anybody getting 5 yards of carry, it looks like that
59:09
offensive line is pushing. So again, I know you didn't
59:12
mention that name, but that was one of the names that I looked
59:15
at. And if your if your running
59:17
backs doing good, your start running backs doing good and
59:20
your backup running backs coming in and they're getting 5 yards
59:22
of carry somebody's blocking. And, and just to your point too,
59:26
he's. Actually, the third when when
59:28
Sam Brown is healthy, Sam Brown's number 2, Raymond's
59:31
number three, and then you have Benjamin, who got some run last
59:34
year. But great point.
59:35
I mean, when I look at those first two games, I'm trying to
59:38
glean what I can from the way we executed, the way Rutgers
59:41
executed and not so much on the opponent.
59:44
There were some things obviously, that I was critical
59:46
of, but then some things look good.
59:47
That offensive line has come a very long way from being really
59:52
undersized in the Big 10 a couple years ago, really getting
59:55
manhandled and pushed around to last year really took root where
59:59
against Ohio State before they pulled away in the second-half.
1:00:02
I mean, we were running the ball well on them.
1:00:04
And that offensive line returns a bunch of starters too.
1:00:08
And so, you know, you got Big Holland Pierce on the ending.
1:00:11
Might be a A draft pick. You have Zelinskis, who's
1:00:15
another interior lineman, a center that's another Greek name
1:00:19
trying to get right. But you called me right.
1:00:23
I'm like I. Got.
1:00:24
I got on curves for the for the Athena and now look at me with
1:00:27
the S and Hey Larry, when I sent you over the the.
1:00:29
Outline there you saw I had the pronunciations in there there's
1:00:32
a reason I was going to compliment you Sir on that and I
1:00:34
was like you know I. Need I need to do that for my
1:00:38
guests and whatnot because it it's helpful.
1:00:40
Sometimes you're looking at a name, you're like, oh boy, what
1:00:42
am I going to do? I'm going to get this right.
1:00:44
We got to, we got to get Larry off here, y'all?
1:00:46
I just because, I mean, we just called him in a lie, he said.
1:00:49
They're undersized. And then we look at Holland
1:00:51
Pearce and he's 68350. Nothing.
1:00:55
Nothing. About that, man says.
1:00:57
Undersized. No.
1:00:58
So he's a big. So they were undersized.
1:01:00
Line, he was one of the first guys who they were just looking
1:01:02
for big bodies. So he's a kid from Trenton
1:01:05
showed up, the story goes, you know, in the parking lot and I'm
1:01:08
sure it was arranged or whatever, but really needed a
1:01:10
lot of development, you know, with his body, with his skills.
1:01:13
And this coaching staff has developed him and he is a you,
1:01:17
you sitting like my seats are pretty close and I'm looking
1:01:19
this dude is towering over everybody and he's a big man.
1:01:23
So it started with him and then they kind of they really built
1:01:26
that line. So it's a testament now that we
1:01:28
can run the ball the way we are. It's it's the the old line.
1:01:31
And I say this in any football conversation I'm in.
1:01:34
I know you guys brought it up. So you already know starts in
1:01:36
the trenches, man. And the fact that the trenches
1:01:38
have been much better. That's why Rutgers is is better
1:01:41
right now. Yeah.
1:01:42
So much you got. Yeah, well, well, tally kind.
1:01:45
Of took my question because I wanted.
1:01:46
To ask how that how that running back trio kind of plays off each
1:01:49
other. It seems like they've all got
1:01:50
some pretty good, pretty good skill sets.
1:01:52
But I'll go with this. I think we we know Rutgers
1:01:56
statistically has has had a great start to the season.
1:01:59
I think the big knock is the quality of competition, which
1:02:02
is, you know, always tricky to evaluate when you're early in
1:02:04
the season. Even though they played some
1:02:06
inferior teams. I mean, look, they'd be accurate
1:02:08
by 42. You know, Tech struggled with
1:02:10
ODU for a little bit. So, you know, don't don't take a
1:02:13
42.1 for granted. But can you see the team, even
1:02:18
though they're, they're playing lesser opponents?
1:02:19
Can you, can you see the, I guess the talent there and, and
1:02:23
and kind of, you know, maintain that optimism that you guys are
1:02:26
in for a pretty good season, even though, like we said, not
1:02:29
the not the murderous Rd. here, but can you just see the the
1:02:31
potential there that that you've you've shown through two games?
1:02:35
Yeah, I think it's a great question.
1:02:37
Too. And I think starting off the
1:02:39
season, because this is the first time we're not in the Big
1:02:42
10 E so there's no Ohio State, there's no Michigan, there's no
1:02:46
Penn State on the schedule. Now you you insert a couple West
1:02:49
Coast teams that are very talented.
1:02:50
You got to go on the road to USC.
1:02:53
But when you look at the schedule and the bye weeks and
1:02:56
you know the travel schedule with West Coast to East Coast, a
1:02:59
lot of optimism in Rutgers circles, you know that this
1:03:02
could be one of the better years we've had in a while.
1:03:05
I think oddly, despite the the way we play those first two
1:03:10
teams, I don't think there is negativity.
1:03:14
But what I would say is some of the realities.
1:03:18
Of the team like this is. Still real life, right?
1:03:20
And I, I think I predicted a nine and three season, which is
1:03:23
on the optimistic. So I think it's, it's, it's
1:03:27
feasible. People were saying 10 and two
1:03:29
people were, I say it was anywhere from 5:00 and 7:00 to
1:03:32
10:00 and 2:00 because so many of these games are toss UPS.
1:03:35
It's the first time in a while. But I'll say that like when you
1:03:37
actually see it on the field now, now you see the good and
1:03:40
you see the bad and you see the reality and there hasn't been
1:03:43
anything per SE bad. But I think like when you see
1:03:48
Rutgers go up against Howard and Athan Khaliq, Manis is just
1:03:51
throwing the ball everywhere and everything's pinpoint accurate.
1:03:53
You're getting excited. But then you come back the next
1:03:55
week and he's squeezing balls in the first half into double
1:03:58
coverage. We get lucky on a touchdown
1:04:00
catch where it ricochets off of somebody and then he throws an
1:04:04
interception while he's getting hit.
1:04:06
I just think some things the receivers are talented, they're
1:04:10
good, but they're you know, Howard played them tough and
1:04:13
they Akron played them tough in the beginning of that game.
1:04:15
They there was some separation issues.
1:04:17
So I could be being NID picky, but I think we're seeing some
1:04:24
just reality. And so I think I'm still very
1:04:28
optimistic about the season, but I'm I'm watching for the first
1:04:30
true test now, which is this week, like the first, you know,
1:04:34
real game that you know, and we always had it circled like this
1:04:37
is this is where it starts. I'm just really sheerly curious,
1:04:41
you know, Nice. Well, let's pivot.
1:04:44
We've you've given us a ton of information on offense to
1:04:46
players to watch the scheme, to look for the backgrounds of
1:04:49
these guys and that's what we're here for man.
1:04:52
So we can know more about Rutgers for us, we call it know
1:04:54
the enemy. You have given us a very good
1:04:59
description of what you guys want to do on offense.
1:05:01
Let's look at the defense. Defensive coordinator.
1:05:04
Brian, you did the pronunciation.
1:05:05
I'm going to try my best here. Joe Harasimiak, very close.
1:05:10
OK, Samiak. Harasimiak.
1:05:12
Samiak, Harasimiak. How I talk.
1:05:15
This is Harasimiak. Yeah, I was going to say, Larry,
1:05:19
I was going to. Say I think that you're wasting
1:05:21
your talent trying to do football podcast.
1:05:24
You should just get on TikTok and like eat food and review it.
1:05:28
Like you'll make some money because of your accent, man.
1:05:31
Like you just sound like a wise guy, you know what I'm saying?
1:05:34
Like come on, man, go get you some pizza and eat it on TikTok
1:05:37
and you're going to make millions of dollars.
1:05:38
What are you doing? I like that I got to get on
1:05:40
TikTok bro. I've been I've been holding out
1:05:43
for so long and get on TikTok and eat you'll be good.
1:05:48
So tell me how this defense eats what, what, what have they were
1:05:51
running. I had a pivot.
1:05:53
So I love that pivot. That's a beautiful.
1:05:56
Pivot so Joe Joe comes in from Minnesota as well and he's he's
1:06:01
he's done really, really well here.
1:06:04
They run an interesting four to five defense where you got 2
1:06:10
linebackers and it relies on a lot of athleticism from the
1:06:13
linebackers. You have 3 safeties, one of whom
1:06:16
is a quasi linebacker and that's, you know, you're going
1:06:19
to have Flip Dixon or you're going to have Igbinosa and
1:06:22
they're going to sneak up. They're going to kind of get in
1:06:25
there in the mid level of that defense sometimes and and and
1:06:28
confront the run or cover somebody in the short passing
1:06:32
lanes. The linebacker core is a really
1:06:36
interesting thing for Rutgers right now because you started
1:06:39
the season preseason with Motoray, who was maybe our best
1:06:42
player on defense last year. Sack leader, really great story.
1:06:47
He he goes down for the season before it even starts.
1:06:50
So he's out and and he was a Rutgers likes to because it's a
1:06:55
425. It's such an interesting
1:06:56
defense. It's such a a multiple look
1:06:58
defense. They like to move guys around.
1:07:00
So he would sneak up on passing downs onto the edge and all
1:07:03
these things. Now he's gone.
1:07:05
Tyrene Powell, who was arguably maybe the best defender on the
1:07:08
entire team last year. He goes down last year against
1:07:12
Ohio State, then sustains another injury like an Achilles
1:07:15
in the offseason. He, I believe, is going to be
1:07:19
able to go this week, but I'm not positive on that Now.
1:07:24
I knew that there was a chance he could start the season, but I
1:07:27
always said he's not going to. You're not going to see him
1:07:29
until Virginia Tech. I don't know if we're going to
1:07:32
see him, but there's rumblings we might.
1:07:36
There's now. So Moses Walker and Jabomi,
1:07:39
those are the two guys that were kind of stepping up for them.
1:07:42
Moses Walker, a New York kid, was a flip from Penn State,
1:07:47
showing a lot of flashes, still learning the position.
1:07:49
As far as being in position. Jabomi had a great game against
1:07:52
Howard, struggled more against Akron.
1:07:55
A lot's going to come down to those linebackers and their
1:07:57
horizontal play. If Powell plays, it bodes better
1:08:00
for the defense. Safeties.
1:08:03
I, I love Shaquan Loyal is, is somebody who lays, hits hard,
1:08:07
comes up with the ball when it's when it's coming his way.
1:08:11
Flip Dixon, another another guy who's been very good for this
1:08:15
team. He's had some injury troubles
1:08:16
early in the year, but he's back at it and Igmanosa and like I
1:08:21
said, is another talented player.
1:08:23
So the other thing to watch is Wesley Bailey, one of our ends
1:08:27
on defense. He's been hurt.
1:08:28
He's been out the first two weeks I predicted him to be the
1:08:32
sack leader with Toray out. I when he's not hurt and dinged
1:08:36
up, his motor is probably the best on the team right now.
1:08:40
He's a good rusher, good pass rusher, very good pass rusher.
1:08:44
Aaron Lewis on the other side, the interior guys, we're still
1:08:47
waiting to see who really flashes.
1:08:50
Malcolm Ray had a sack up the middle in the interior of the
1:08:52
defense last week. I mean two weeks ago.
1:08:55
So we're seeing how they develop.
1:08:57
But it's a it's an interesting defense going to give you
1:08:59
multiple looks. You're going to rely on those
1:09:02
linebackers roaming around in that mid level, and if they
1:09:04
can't do it, running lanes are going to get open at some point,
1:09:07
especially to the outside. Passing lanes can open up and
1:09:10
the intermediate passes, which you know, then the safeties
1:09:13
might make the play, but you might be moving down the field.
1:09:16
A lot comes down to that linebacker play because they got
1:09:18
to hold down a lot of space and that safety play.
1:09:20
So one more thing I'll say is our pass rush as far as sacks
1:09:26
has not been where we wanted it last year or the beginning of
1:09:29
this year. And a lot of that, I think comes
1:09:31
down to Bailey coming back and then Lewis on the other side
1:09:34
being able to close out some of his pressures.
1:09:36
We'll see if that happens, especially against the mobile
1:09:39
quarterback who can make plays this week.
1:09:40
So yeah, I know you had mentioned that when we were we.
1:09:44
Were talking earlier, you know the concern is, you know, I
1:09:48
mentioned that we've for the most part had some struggles
1:09:51
from a pass protection standpoint.
1:09:53
You're like we have well we haven't done a very good job of
1:09:55
getting to the quarterback. So it may be a little weakness
1:09:59
on weakness from a defensive versus offensive standpoint
1:10:02
there. Sean, what you got?
1:10:04
Yeah. So I wanted to ask.
1:10:05
About the cornerbacks and 1st off, I want to give a shout out
1:10:08
to 1 of Rutgers's cornerbacks. That is Robert Longer Beam, the
1:10:12
pride of Alexandria, VA. He was part of that 2020
1:10:16
Virginia high school football class that was, to be polite, a
1:10:19
little bit underwhelming. Antoine Powell Ryland was also
1:10:22
part of that class. So you got two guys from that
1:10:24
class going against each other. I remember looking him up last
1:10:28
year when when Tech and Rutgers played, probably I would say
1:10:32
maybe one of the best three or four players in that entire
1:10:34
class, even though he wasn't the most highly regarded recruit.
1:10:36
But shout out to him. But one of your stud
1:10:39
quarterbacks is Eric Rodgers. He's a fifth year senior, ranked
1:10:43
6th in the country among all defensive backs in overall grade
1:10:46
at 87. Hasn't really been targeted
1:10:48
much. I would imagine that's because
1:10:49
he's not letting guys get open very much and top ten in
1:10:52
coverage grade as well. So talk about Rodgers, what he
1:10:55
does well, his best skill sets and just how you feel like the
1:10:58
the coverage defense has played out so far.
1:11:01
You know, longer beam, I thought.
1:11:02
We had Max Melton last year who went to the the league this year
1:11:06
and his brother, obviously Beau Melton and and I thought longer
1:11:10
being longer Beam has been just such a good player for us.
1:11:14
And they weren't even really throwing his way a lot last year
1:11:17
because he was such a shutdown corner.
1:11:20
There's some story that he I guess he left campus.
1:11:22
He wasn't going to commit or Schiano like followed him, like
1:11:25
flew down there, went to his family's house.
1:11:27
Like I mean, very highly sought after by by this coaching staff.
1:11:32
They're very high on him as the Riemann beam podcast that he
1:11:36
does too. So look him.
1:11:38
And so Rogers comes in and steps up into Melton's position and I
1:11:42
think people were pretty high on him.
1:11:43
He kind of developed last year and in times when he had to step
1:11:48
in, started performing quite well.
1:11:50
I think people predicted early in the season that he would come
1:11:53
up with some interceptions because they were going to throw
1:11:56
away from longer beam. And if they're throwing at
1:11:58
Rogers, he's going to come away with some.
1:12:00
I believe he came away with one, I think one of the first two
1:12:02
weeks. And my, my brain is all over the
1:12:04
place now that's late. But he's a ball hawk and he's
1:12:07
going to be able to to stay on guys and he might take a gamble
1:12:11
here and there to grab the ball, But if he does, he'll come away
1:12:13
with it. And those guys are both very
1:12:16
talented and, and the fact that Max left it was highly regarded
1:12:21
and we were able to fill that pretty quickly is a testament to
1:12:25
the depth on the team. And then behind them it gets a
1:12:28
little more dicey because you have like Al Shadiz Salaam who
1:12:32
was a running back converted. So it it gets a little dicey
1:12:36
behind them, but they they are quick, they are going to be able
1:12:38
to cover. They need to be in position and
1:12:41
not take gamble's. We had another long kind of
1:12:43
couple long passes the first couple weeks of the season and
1:12:47
some blown coverages and things. One of them might have been
1:12:49
loyal or the safety's fault on a, on a corner blitz, but
1:12:53
they're going to try to grab that ball and they're going to
1:12:55
try to stay on guys. They have the speed, they can
1:12:57
stay with them, they have the hands.
1:12:59
They're all going to hit. They all can tackle and they
1:13:02
come up and and they make tackles and they're not going to
1:13:04
be afraid to try to stop somebody for a short gain after
1:13:07
a catch. But but that's the tale of those
1:13:10
two guys. Yeah.
1:13:12
And you've got you've. Got Rodgers You.
1:13:14
Weren't lying. Y'all's first score of the
1:13:16
season was his pick 6 versus Howard.
1:13:18
I thought it was 52 yards and the Tyrene Powell we, we talked
1:13:22
about Tyrene Powell a ton last year in the preview.
1:13:24
Tyrene Powell was a hokey commit, flipped to Rutgers very
1:13:28
late in the process. And he led in in the game last
1:13:30
year, he led the team in tackle. So for us, it's like, I'm glad
1:13:35
he doesn't have those few games to get ready for Tech because
1:13:38
coming in cold at linebacker, are you reading your keys right?
1:13:41
Are you going to the right gaps? Are you missing assignments?
1:13:44
Do you know where you need to go?
1:13:44
So that's a big thing. So let me ask this as a Rutgers
1:13:49
fan, you're sitting here and obviously you and Brian had the
1:13:51
discussion. You're probably looking at
1:13:53
tapes, stats, data. What is concerning you most with
1:13:56
the Scarlet Knights heading into lane on Saturday afternoon, the
1:14:02
defense containing. You know your offensive scheme
1:14:06
and and a mobile quarterback who can make plays off script and on
1:14:11
script. The fact is, and I was talking
1:14:14
to Brian a little bit, you know, this, this RPO, this spread run
1:14:18
type offense, linebackers are concerned because of health and
1:14:22
because of rust for us and containing a running
1:14:26
quarterback. The first week against Howard,
1:14:29
Scroggins got out of that pocket and he made plays downfield and
1:14:33
he was able to escape a bunch. And you know, for a defense that
1:14:38
relies on that horizontal speed to be able to contain guys who's
1:14:41
got a guy coming off an injury and another guy out, other guys
1:14:44
learning that linebacker position, you're going to have
1:14:48
to that D line. If they get back there, they're
1:14:51
going to have to understand that you can't, you know, if they
1:14:53
dive at him too quick or they let him get outside.
1:14:56
Now where's that linebacker help the secondary?
1:14:59
Like I said, we're running, you know, that many three safety.
1:15:03
So so they can get up there and they can keep an eye on him and
1:15:06
they have the closing speed. But I'm worried about that
1:15:10
offense, you know, the way it's going to spread them out and the
1:15:14
way that quarterback is going to be able to make plays off script
1:15:18
anywhere in the middle of that defense or the middle of the
1:15:20
field, that could cause Rutgers problems.
1:15:22
And I think that it's the 1st Rd. game of the year.
1:15:27
The environment is obviously well known.
1:15:30
And so you're going into a rough environment.
1:15:33
And I talked to Brian about this.
1:15:35
If there's a big play that gets Rutgers on their heels, they
1:15:38
want to, they want to be a ball control offense.
1:15:40
They want to run the ball incrementally down the field and
1:15:43
take their shots when they're available.
1:15:45
If they get on their heels where there's a big player to and the
1:15:49
crowds into it and they're not able to establish that running
1:15:53
offense and incrementally get down the field or a couple
1:15:56
drives stall in that way, I think that could be a problem
1:16:00
because if they get behind too much, they're just not built to
1:16:03
sling the ball all over the field.
1:16:05
And so I think the way those two teams are built, it's going to
1:16:09
be really interesting. I was telling Brian this exact
1:16:11
thing. Who establishes their identity
1:16:13
first? Are we establishing, you know, a
1:16:15
run RPO type system where there's quick strikes and
1:16:18
there's a quarterback that's making plays?
1:16:20
Or are we establishing this a between the tackles, Rutgers
1:16:25
type thing where, you know, we're going to laboriously get
1:16:29
down the field and try to control the pace of the game,
1:16:32
but that's going to go a long way in determining the outcome?
1:16:37
Yeah, I think when. You talk about that.
1:16:39
A shortened game, a game where the clock is running a lot,
1:16:42
definitely I think plays into Rutgers favor, much like it did
1:16:46
when we were playing Vanderbilt down in Nashville where they
1:16:50
kept the clock moving. They they kept matriculating the
1:16:52
ball down the field. We couldn't get off the field on
1:16:54
3rd down with that triple option attack.
1:16:58
If we have a similar situation but with the non guy between the
1:17:01
tackles, it could be a long day for the Hokies.
1:17:05
Sheldon, you got something before we flip it over to the
1:17:06
last question here for Larry. No, I think.
1:17:11
Yeah, I think I'm good. I know, like I said, the the the
1:17:14
secondary has been pretty good County Hamilton has been the
1:17:17
highest grade defensive lineman, So you know, they've been able
1:17:19
to get some some pretty good pressure again factor in the
1:17:21
competition, but it just seems like they've been pretty, pretty
1:17:24
engaged on all fronts. Nice So.
1:17:27
Let let me ask you this. Larry, before we let you go for
1:17:29
the night, if you're settling. In for the prime time.
1:17:33
Games on Saturday night with a big smile on your face.
1:17:37
What do you think played the biggest factor in that Rutgers
1:17:40
win containing drones? Containing the quarterback, I
1:17:45
mean, you do a good job of limiting the damage he does, you
1:17:50
know, with his, his skill set, which is a wide-ranging 1 flat
1:17:54
out. I, I, I have seen it just, so it
1:17:58
just seems that Rutgers, when they're playing their game under
1:18:01
Schiano, they, they fare well, especially with the way the line
1:18:04
is now with the power team that, that big 10 line up helmet on
1:18:08
helmet and play a straight up, they tend to do well.
1:18:11
What I've seen throughout the years, and this goes all the way
1:18:14
back with Shiano defenses is when a quarterback is getting
1:18:17
too much off script and he's making too many things happen on
1:18:20
his own, they can struggle and they can kind of get bewildered
1:18:23
a little like what are we doing? Cuz keeping UPS hard.
1:18:26
That defense can contain him and his damage is limited.
1:18:29
I think they're going to then be able to establish the run and I
1:18:33
think they're going to be able to to keep it where they want it
1:18:36
and then they might be able to pull out a victory at the end.
1:18:39
So that's what I think the key to victory really is, honestly.
1:18:43
All right, Larry. We appreciate it, Larry.
1:18:45
Before we let you go, where can we see the show?
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1:18:55
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You guys have been an absolute pleasure, Brian.
1:20:13
I appreciate you coming out with me.
1:20:14
You guys are awesome. Made my night just kind of
1:20:16
chilling talking ball with you guys.
1:20:18
So I'm wishing you guys luck, you know, this week and the rest
1:20:21
of the year, hopefully hoping we win.
1:20:23
But I think it'll be a fun season for both of us either
1:20:25
way. So happy we're playing,
1:20:28
hopefully play again, you know, and looking forward to it.
1:20:31
Yeah, we appreciate you taking the time tonight.
1:20:33
We appreciate you letting Brian come on your show a bit earlier.
1:20:36
Definitely love being part of the college huddle.
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You guys follow that. They're all out there.
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So many teams to go find out whoever the Hokies are playing
1:20:44
next week, see how that team's feeling.
1:20:46
And Larry, from the sound of it, you don't don't talk Rutgers.
1:20:49
You're talking college ball all the time.
1:20:50
And we love to hear that man. So take care of yourself up in
1:20:53
New Jersey and we hopefully see you in the future, man.
1:20:55
Yes, Sir. Looking forward to.
1:20:58
It later get that TikTok. Started man.
1:21:04
See you later. Good.
1:21:06
See ya. All righty.
1:21:07
So great segment there with Larry.
1:21:09
A lot of information about the players, about what they're
1:21:11
doing up there. Got to love to see it again.
1:21:15
It's great being part of this network.
1:21:16
We can bring people on or in our case, Brian, going on sharing a
1:21:20
little bit back and forth. So we got a lot of stuff from
1:21:23
Larry. I, I, I don't know if we've
1:21:25
changed any of our keys up, but y'all, we got to jump into what
1:21:28
our hokey keys are for this week and I'm going to lead it off
1:21:33
with us. Jonathan, Tally, tally, what is
1:21:36
going to be the hokey keys for taking the dub this week?
1:21:38
Oh yeah, It was going to be the same for me no matter what.
1:21:40
But definitely, you know, reiterated what Larry was
1:21:43
talking about. Like we have to let Karen be
1:21:45
Karen. He's not a drop back passer.
1:21:48
He's not anybody else besides Karen.
1:21:52
The big bruising runs that he has, he had one, you know, at
1:21:55
Rutgers last year and he has had one against ODU.
1:21:59
They got to let him get outside the pocket.
1:22:00
They got to let him run the ball.
1:22:02
They got to let him get some contact that's going to open up
1:22:05
the pass game. Because if we just try to drop
1:22:08
back and pass the ball and drop back and hand the ball off, it
1:22:11
might not fare so well. So let Karen be Karen is my keys
1:22:15
to success. Sheldon, what about you?
1:22:18
Man, what is your hokey? Keys This week I went with
1:22:22
establishing the run to set up the.
1:22:23
Pass I think Tech is a team that has to run the ball well to be
1:22:26
effective in passing game. Like Bryant, like we've been
1:22:29
saying, we want drones to to roll out, you know, to use RPO
1:22:33
effectively. And only way you can do that is
1:22:35
if there's a threat of, you know, a credible threat of run
1:22:38
game. So if they get the run and
1:22:39
going, I think that's going to make things a lot easier on
1:22:42
drones and hopefully they can put some points on the board.
1:22:45
All righty, Mr. Bron Siegler. What is your Hokie key this
1:22:49
week? Yeah, for me, it's it's I'm
1:22:51
flipping it over to the. Defensive side, yeah, I think
1:22:54
the offense might take care of itself against this Rutgers
1:22:58
defense. I'm worried about what they're
1:23:00
going to do with the running game, shortening the game,
1:23:03
staying on the field, not letting our defense get off the
1:23:05
field. So for me, the big thing is no
1:23:07
long runs and be able to get off the field on 3rd down.
1:23:11
If we can do that, I feel pretty confident about coming out of
1:23:14
this one with AW. All righty, I'm going to kind of
1:23:16
get mine in here and. It goes back to how we've been
1:23:19
playing this year. First quarter we have outscored
1:23:22
our opponents 21 to three, that's plus 18.
1:23:25
Quarter three, we've outscored our opponents 30 to 10, that's a
1:23:29
+ 20. Quarter four, 3814 + 24.
1:23:35
The second quarter is the undoing of this team this year
1:23:39
and we've been outscored in three games, 31 to 3:00 that is
1:23:46
minus. 28 that is. An insane number.
1:23:49
And I go look back last year playing Rutgers, they outscored
1:23:52
us in the second quarter fourteen to three.
1:23:55
I think it's going to come down to what we do in the second
1:23:58
quarter. Our coaches have a propensity
1:24:00
for having great halftime adjustments where we get people
1:24:03
in the rhythm. I am very glad that we got off
1:24:06
of that hot start off at of OU because it proves to me that we
1:24:10
can move the ball early second quarter.
1:24:13
If we come out even in the second quarter, I don't care for
1:24:17
77101033 nil, NIL. We are going to win this game
1:24:22
and that. Leads us right.
1:24:24
Into our hokey predictions and I'm going to go first just
1:24:29
because I want to go 1st and what I got, what I look.
1:24:34
At is. When they played us last year up
1:24:36
in Piscataway, it is Piscataway NJ.
1:24:39
That was Karen Drones first start as a college quarterback
1:24:44
first start. They had Grant Lemstadt, who was
1:24:50
a. Running quarterback who we have
1:24:52
known forever as a Virginia Tech Hokie fan, what is our
1:24:56
kryptonite? If you have a running
1:24:57
quarterback, it's going to kill us.
1:24:59
Larry already said it. He couldn't pass last year at
1:25:02
all. That was fine last year.
1:25:04
We had one of the best pass defenses in the country last
1:25:06
year regardless. So you take away the wheels, you
1:25:10
put a guy back there who can do design runs for, but he can't
1:25:14
scramble. You can't run a read option.
1:25:16
I think we're going to flip it. I think we're going to score a
1:25:19
couple more points in them. Give me Hokies 28.
1:25:26
You went on mute again bud. You going?
1:25:31
I'll take this next one here. I I'm in the similar boat with
1:25:35
Curtis here. I I don't think it's going to
1:25:37
quite be a the full boat. Eight points there, but I think
1:25:42
the Hokies are going to do enough on offense and just
1:25:44
enough on defense. It's going to come down to the
1:25:46
wire though. But give me the Hokies 27,
1:25:49
Rutgers 23, Sheldon Moss. I'm going with a pretty similar
1:25:55
score to Curse here. I've got the Hokies 2720
1:25:58
winning. I feel like this team responds
1:26:00
when the chips are down and people are doubting them.
1:26:02
So I think they'll come out pretty motivated and they're
1:26:04
going to get a close win at home.
1:26:06
When Edwin says that they can't do it, the chips.
1:26:11
I like when Sheldon. Says the chips.
1:26:13
Cuz I like to go to the casino and play roulette and I like to
1:26:17
have all the chips. My chips are down.
1:26:20
I am doubting I got Rutgers winning this game.
1:26:23
I think it's going to be a close game.
1:26:25
I'm just going off of off of history for the most part.
1:26:30
Not so much with Rutgers, just with what we've done in the past
1:26:34
as well as since prize been here some crazy stat was out.
1:26:38
We haven't won a non conference game and however many days
1:26:44
pretty much since 2017 and it just brought up all the fields
1:26:49
of me being in the stadium. We're playing Purdue last year
1:26:53
and everything that can go wrong goes wrong.
1:26:55
The hurricane comes through, we are out in the rain for six
1:26:59
hours and hiding and don't know if it's going to be and then we
1:27:03
go into the game and we lose a heartbreaker.
1:27:05
Then we go to Nashville and we lose another heartbreaker.
1:27:08
I just think it's going to be a close game.
1:27:11
Rutgers takes it 2417. I'm praying that I'm wrong, but
1:27:15
that's my prediction as of now. We got to go with what you feel,
1:27:19
man, so. We're going to be flipping it
1:27:21
over here to big screeners in just a second, but y'all out
1:27:25
there who are watching, it's quite a few of y'all tonight.
1:27:27
Throw your prediction, what you think the scores are going to be
1:27:30
for the Hokies game. So again, you got me, Brian and
1:27:35
Shelton, leaning Hokies, tally leaning Rutgers, all of us
1:27:40
within at least one score. So we don't get you, liquor get
1:27:45
you. Everybody's flirting in the 20s
1:27:46
too there, no? Nobody's predicting a high
1:27:48
scoring affair here. I don't we'll see that, but they
1:27:51
think the under I think. Whatever the under is, I think
1:27:53
it. Is it what, 51?
1:27:54
The last time I looked I can pull that up I.
1:27:57
Got it right here on the phone. I think I do if y'all.
1:28:01
Can get to it quicker. Somebody scream it.
1:28:03
Out before me 44 1/2 Oh, it's went down, so it's went down.
1:28:07
Significantly, just like the line.
1:28:09
Started 4 1/2. Now it's down, But you know,
1:28:12
we're going to see. We're going to see.
1:28:14
I think this is a big make and break game for the Hokies in
1:28:17
what we can do this season. So let's flip to it and let's
1:28:20
get the big screeners. Let's talk about some other
1:28:23
games we might be laying a little action on and some games
1:28:26
we'll definitely be keeping an eye on throughout the day on
1:28:28
Saturday. Brian Siegler, as always, you
1:28:31
lead this segment. Sir, where we going?
1:28:34
I went to Oklahoma, baby. Tennessee, Oklahoma, the
1:28:39
Tennessee is favored by 7 1/2 here.
1:28:44
I don't think it's going to be that close.
1:28:45
I think Tennessee is going to go out there and and do a little
1:28:49
number. So give me the the volunteers in
1:28:50
this one, all right? I'm exactly the opposite.
1:28:54
Of you on this. One, give me Oklahoma home dog
1:28:57
getting 7 1/2 points because I looked at Tennessee.
1:29:01
Anytime they say any formidable offense last year, they couldn't
1:29:05
get above 20 points. I trust Brent Venables.
1:29:08
I don't know if Oklahoma will win this game or not, but I do
1:29:11
not see Tennessee blowing the doors out of them.
1:29:13
I see this being a close enough game that I'll take the home dog
1:29:16
at 7 1/2. Sheldon so I saw.
1:29:20
I saw stat. Earlier this week.
1:29:22
That this is the first time Oklahoma is a underdog by four
1:29:26
more points at home since 1998. I think they're going to feel a
1:29:30
little bit disrespected by it and they're going to come out
1:29:32
and do just enough to cover tally tally.
1:29:36
I'll copy Shelton. And I said.
1:29:37
Oklahoma. There we go, Miranda dropped in.
1:29:43
Tennessee. And.
1:29:45
The man with the guitar is taking Tennessee as well.
1:29:49
Oh, before we get too far, I dropped it in the in the text
1:29:54
there. You want to give the rundown,
1:29:55
Curtis, of what we did last week, Week 3.
1:29:59
Looks as follows. Brian five and one, Curtis five
1:30:03
and one, Tally and Shelton two and four, Miranda three and
1:30:07
three, and our gambling guitar man four and two season records.
1:30:13
Everybody with the exception of Miranda is above 500, so we got
1:30:20
to get Miranda out of them. Buffalo Wild Wings.
1:30:25
You can't. You can't.
1:30:25
You can't. You can't go out, get out of.
1:30:27
There, make your bet. So there you.
1:30:29
Go That's where we stand. Right now, if you had bet with
1:30:31
any of us, if you're crazy enough to do that, most of us
1:30:35
would have made you a little bit of money, a little bit, very
1:30:37
little bit. You walk around with an.
1:30:39
Extra 12 bucks you got, you got enough to put back in next week.
1:30:43
In other news In other news. Everybody knows I love orange.
1:30:46
Not Tennessee orange. That's the worst color orange
1:30:49
that ever was made. When?
1:30:50
Never wear that orange is hideous.
1:30:52
Go ahead, Curtis. All right, I am going.
1:30:56
To take a look at the Michigan State Boston College game, it's
1:30:59
going to be up in Chestnut Hill. Believe it or not y'all we are
1:31:03
not the red bandana game. No ACC opponent is the red
1:31:06
bandana game. I could not find it.
1:31:09
I actually have a red bandana. My neighbor used to be the tech
1:31:13
sideline guy. He got 1 so I could explain to
1:31:16
the boys effectively. You know what that guy did back
1:31:18
on 9/11 23 years ago? Could not find it.
1:31:21
They probably got it chucked in their room somewhere and I can't
1:31:24
find it. But BC coming off damn near
1:31:27
pulling off the upset in Columbia last week, they only
1:31:29
lost by 6. We made some money off that.
1:31:33
This week they're laying 6 1/2 to Michigan State and Brian.
1:31:36
What do you think? You know what I'm going to keep?
1:31:40
Riding with the eagles, they're. Doing me good so far.
1:31:42
I'm not going to change it up. I'm with you.
1:31:46
Laying 6 1/2 to Michigan. State Michigan State to me under
1:31:49
Jonathan Smith and new regime up there probably not quite got
1:31:52
where he wants it yet. So I'll take BC as well.
1:31:57
I'm a Brian the. Eagles have.
1:31:59
Not let me down this year. It will not happen this week.
1:32:02
I like the job Bob is doing. Give me Boston College.
1:32:06
I got to. Listen to all the Alabama fans.
1:32:08
And tell me how much they hate Bob.
1:32:10
So I said I've been betting against him every day, every
1:32:13
game. So I start.
1:32:15
Why? You know you got to hit at least
1:32:16
once, right? I got to stay consistent with
1:32:19
losing. So I went with Michigan State,
1:32:22
right? All righty.
1:32:24
Tally going Michigan. State and Miranda and Jason
1:32:27
always so coming along with us on the BC.
1:32:30
Hey Tally, you you riding solo with the Spartans?
1:32:32
There, man, Ryan, solo man. All right, Sheldon, where are we
1:32:36
going? We are going to Morgantown West.
1:32:39
Virginia, I Pike this game because it looks like a pretty
1:32:42
intriguing match up. Obviously Kansas is off to a
1:32:46
slow start. I think they've been getting a
1:32:47
little bit unlucky. It was a close spread, 2 1/2.
1:32:50
So with that being said, I will take Kansas.
1:32:52
I think they bounced back from a really tough loss against UNLV
1:32:55
last week and they get the win in Morgantown.
1:33:02
I'm I'm actually going to go the other direction.
1:33:04
Here to use Sheldon, I'm taking Kansas.
1:33:09
I think they get on the winning track here.
1:33:13
I think this is going to be an outright win for for The
1:33:16
Jayhawks. Yeah, same here.
1:33:19
I'm. With Kansas as well, I think.
1:33:20
Kansas bounces back. We know Shelton's with.
1:33:23
Kansas tally? What about?
1:33:24
You man, I'm going to have to go with W.
1:33:27
VUI mean I'm probably going to get a little bit from the sister
1:33:30
before the game, get them hyped up, you know, maybe get a little
1:33:34
nipple from Grand Mama and have a good game.
1:33:40
All righty. And Miranda and Jason.
1:33:43
Little opposite. Miranda, Kansas, Jason.
1:33:45
West Virginia. Tally, where are you going this
1:33:48
week, man? I am.
1:33:50
Going to Utah and O OK State, pretty intriguing game.
1:33:57
I don't know man, I just like to watch Utah play.
1:33:59
They seem pretty physical year in and year out, so I love to
1:34:03
watch Utah play. It's always fun to watch those
1:34:05
games. I am going Utah in this game
1:34:09
just for what I said. I just like to watch them play.
1:34:11
I like the style of football that they play.
1:34:15
I'm right there with Tally. I'm taking the.
1:34:18
The Utes here as well. I think they they've played very
1:34:22
well so far to start the season in in my opinion, I think
1:34:25
they're going to go in there and probably win by about a
1:34:28
touchdown in Oklahoma State yeah I'm I'm with y'all too.
1:34:33
I. Think at physical style, we saw
1:34:35
Arkansas do it with a, with a, to me, a lesser cohesive team.
1:34:41
I think Utah goes in there and they do win.
1:34:44
I'll take the three points. Utah's one of my.
1:34:47
Favorite non virgin anti team in the country?
1:34:49
I love the way they play, I love how physical they are.
1:34:51
But their quarterback Cam Rising was out last week.
1:34:54
He is expected to play this weekend, but we don't know if
1:34:56
he's exactly 100% and he might be a little bit rusty.
1:34:59
So for that reason, being on the road, I'm going to take OK
1:35:01
State. Miranda's riding with you,
1:35:06
Sheldon, and. Jason is jumping on board with
1:35:09
me. Tally and Curtis Righty last.
1:35:14
One here before we get to the music man, we got Georgia Tech
1:35:17
traveling to Louisville. This is a massive line.
1:35:21
I mean massive line. And I'm I'm trying to figure out
1:35:24
smells stinky. Louisville is laying 10 points
1:35:27
to Georgia Tech, who I mean has played solid all year.
1:35:31
So, Brian, what do you think? Yeah, this this is a weird.
1:35:36
Line I don't know if Vegas knows something that I don't but I
1:35:39
think this is going to be a close game wire to wire.
1:35:41
So give me Georgia Tech in this one.
1:35:43
I swear to God if Haynes King is hurt and.
1:35:46
We don't find out about it until the 1st snap.
1:35:48
I am going and saying give me my money back.
1:35:50
That's bullshit. Give me Georgia Tech, Give me
1:35:54
the 10. Yes, I'm taking Georgia Tech as
1:35:59
well. I.
1:35:59
Just think it's too big of a line.
1:36:01
I I respect Louisville, but I think Georgia Tech will do just
1:36:04
enough to cover same I. Feel like that line?
1:36:09
Is too big. If anything we're going to be
1:36:11
looking at about a three-point game, maybe 7.
1:36:15
Give me Georgia Tech, Miranda. Is riding with Georgia.
1:36:20
Tech as well, and our music man. Is coming.
1:36:24
In hot on Louisville, laying the 10 points.
1:36:31
So that gets us to it, man. Our our music man is back.
1:36:36
He's picked a big one this week. We got the USC Trojans at
1:36:40
Michigan. So I'm going to let him tell you
1:36:43
what he thinks about this one. California those.
1:37:01
Have a party California those. Have.
1:37:07
A party in the city say come. To.
1:37:15
Keep it rocking nowhere to keep it rocking California.
1:37:24
In the city. In the city.
1:37:46
Welcome to another edition of Guitar Licks.
1:37:48
And gambling picks. I'm Jason Long, riding a hot
1:37:51
streak right now, so I'm going to keep it short.
1:37:53
USC travels to Michigan on Saturday.
1:37:55
They're laying 6 1/2 points. I think USC is going to win by
1:37:58
at least a touchdown. So I'm going to go ahead and
1:38:00
take USC minus 6 1/2 versus Michigan.
1:38:04
You don't know why Coast, California?
1:38:39
See you next week. And there it is again, he said,
1:38:46
laying 6. And a half there taking the
1:38:49
Trojans and you know what? I'm riding right along with
1:38:53
that. Give me USC in this one.
1:38:56
Curtis, what you got? I'm with you on it.
1:38:59
I've seen. USC play a couple Times Now and
1:39:01
then, especially after seeing what LSU did down South Carolina
1:39:06
put up a bunch of points and I know first game and everything
1:39:09
but I know Alex awards you starting former Hokie committee
1:39:13
just I I can't see Michigan slowing them down enough even in
1:39:18
the big house to to to to not lay 6 1/2 points on this game.
1:39:26
I'm taking Michigan on a hunch. I just.
1:39:29
I think, I think they're playing at home.
1:39:30
They'll be they'll be motivated. You know, they they had a pretty
1:39:33
crappy loss against Texas. So I like teams.
1:39:35
Sometimes it bounce back when, like I said, the trips are down
1:39:37
and I think they're going to respond.
1:39:41
Man, I was going to go UFC. Anyway, but after he and Jason
1:39:44
come in and sang Californian turning into a country's
1:39:47
California love and turning into a country song man, he did did
1:39:51
Roger Troutman a, a, a a great honor.
1:39:54
So I got to go UFC just because of what Jason did.
1:40:00
And obviously Miranda, she is also.
1:40:02
Riding with this Jason obviously taking your.
1:40:05
Yeah, when, when, when he sent us a message and he's like, I
1:40:09
got what I'm going to do. We're like, there's so many
1:40:12
songs about California, what we could do.
1:40:13
That was the entire Red Heart Hot Chili.
1:40:17
Peppers you. Know.
1:40:19
Yeah, that's not what I was expecting.
1:40:21
When he started going, I'm like perfect curveball.
1:40:25
Great, great, great. All righty, so throw them.
1:40:27
All up there. There you go, what it looks
1:40:31
like. Who got it best?
1:40:33
Who got it wrong? Me and Curtis are pretty close
1:40:36
here with our picks top to bottom.
1:40:38
Curtis and Brian follow each other they.
1:40:40
Just don't want to they have a bet with each other.
1:40:42
Neither one of them wants to lose.
1:40:44
So hey, I'm gonna start getting on my up on the on the 1st pick
1:40:48
now I win Tennessee. I'm, I'm not, I'm not riding
1:40:50
straight across, man. Well, I'm trying to look here.
1:40:53
Yeah, well, you're. About the only one that I'm
1:40:55
close with. So yeah, all right, real quick,
1:40:58
bunch of y'all responded. I appreciate out here.
1:41:01
So how we feeling about this week our buddy Andretti back
1:41:05
2416. Hey, he's got the faith back
1:41:08
Andretti got. Faith also to say man.
1:41:10
Hey, we got some good stuff going on, man.
1:41:14
All right, Hashim. 3620 Oh, seeing a blowout saying Hokey's
1:41:20
Rock. 3524 I'd I'd love 3524 or 3620.
1:41:27
That means I can relax about the last 20 minutes of the game.
1:41:32
Buddy Thomas always out here Tookie by 4 and we.
1:41:37
Do got one person? Where was it?
1:41:40
Where was it? Jeff Jeff's with Ally.
1:41:47
And. Just like you.
1:41:48
Hope you're wrong on that. So boom, anything coming up?
1:41:53
I didn't Mr. I got to give a. Shit, man, yeah, I got to give
1:41:58
a. Shout out to our our buddy Lavar
1:42:00
he was at the game this past week sent me some cool videos
1:42:04
before the game. Lavar thank you for always
1:42:09
joining in man Loyal loyal you know listener always is engaged
1:42:15
with us. Like I said send me some cool
1:42:16
videos before the game. Hey man, if any of y'all go to
1:42:19
the games, if y'all are posted and y'all got some some cool
1:42:23
shots man send them to us. I'll find a way to get Brian,
1:42:26
get Brian to get him on here one day soon.
1:42:28
But that was that was pretty awesome to see some pre game
1:42:32
warm up stuff that Levar sent. So just wanted to give Levar
1:42:35
shout out for that. I appreciate you big time.
1:42:39
Yeah, Lavar has been riding. With us for now pretty much
1:42:42
since we started going live on here.
1:42:43
So big, big shout out to him for following along and happy you
1:42:49
got to a game, happy you got. To a game this year, man.
1:42:52
Hey, you got to see his his classmates out there.
1:42:57
Getting worked a little bit, true.
1:42:58
That's what you got to see. It's true all.
1:43:00
Right, anything else breaking boys as we get to the 11:00 hour
1:43:04
here on the East Coast? No, just be sure to.
1:43:08
Check my. Article on the key plate
1:43:10
tomorrow. How's that going out Talking
1:43:12
about Kyron Jones, the passing game.
1:43:13
So hopefully some some very good informative stuff on the Hokie's
1:43:17
passing game tomorrow, key play we're going to have.
1:43:21
Miranda. Wilhelm's recap and preview
1:43:23
dropping tomorrow along with our show.
1:43:26
So, found your corner vt.com. Head there.
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Check that out, go to the key play, check out Shelton's work,
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So we appreciate the support and and all the love that y'all SWVA
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1:43:41
Hats, I know y'all. Are here get me some orange.
1:43:45
Hats man, let me know how much there is.
1:43:48
I'm running out. I need some new ones.
1:43:50
He needs new. By the way, looks like Levar
1:43:52
made the student section. Mad good, Levar.
1:43:54
I'm glad you made them mad. And with that, that wraps up
1:43:57
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