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Late Night Thoughts with Dean Ryan 'Bad Fish' · Real Deal Media

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Recently, Dean Ryan attempted to interview a guest named Katie
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Hamilton. Katie was an old friend of
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Dean's from yesteryear who dropped out of society six years
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ago and left Dallas for Alaska. Gaul was to live on a boat full
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time as a fisherman, experiencing the adventures of
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the ocean and the dangers of deep sea fishing.
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Most would find this lifestyle extreme, especially in the male
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dominated industry. How does a young girl live
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amongst A handful of men on his occluded fishing boat in Alaska?
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Logic aside, Dean went into this late night thoughts episode with
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the best of intentions, the best of intentions, and the warmness
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of hearts. It didn't go exactly the way he
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had imagined. This is what happened.
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Welcome back here. It's late night.
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Thoughts. That's right.
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If you thought it was something else, you're highly mistaken.
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And that's why I'm here. This is your lovely host.
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Not sure that's politically correct.
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Let me try that again. This is your very staunch,
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stoic, nobleistic host Dean Ryan.
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This is the incredible late night thoughts here at Real Deal
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Media's finest podcast hallways as I'm returning tonight as I'm
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trying to position my laptop before it explodes on me.
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I mean, it sounds like a pressure cooker, so you have to
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excuse my due diligence here. Let me anyways, what I was
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saying here tonight we have a a wonderful and a guest who's
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going to be cruising with me to midnight and beyond here as I'm
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going to be your pilot. It's going to be flying you to
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the promised land on the South and the north side of optimism
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depending which way you want to go.
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And that's what we do here at late Night Thoughts, where we
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speak about everything in absolutely nothing at all.
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So I'm going to welcome my guest here is a very interesting
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individual and I mean that wholeheartedly.
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Her name is Katie Hamilton in relation to George.
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But this particular Hamilton, out of all the ones in history
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that you might have read about, is kind of reminds me of a
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modern day Joan of Arc. Well, that's not a term I use
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lightly, but I use it because it's true.
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As this kid, Hamilton has kind of made her own strive into
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individualism, following the art of nonconformity by getting a
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into a totally male dominated industry of the fishing
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industry. And I've always been fascinated
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by her, her lifestyle, her alternative lifestyle.
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So it's going to be a quite an interest here and she's going to
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be joining us all the way from the shaky, incredible depths of
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Alaska where she is now catching her wild plankton.
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Let's see here if she's going to be chiming in here.
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Katie Hamilton, how are you? Hi.
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Yes, Dean. How's it going?
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I'm good. Alive and well.
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Blessed. Hey, thank God.
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So doing good. Welcome to my office here.
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So we're doing all my late night deals and it's so good to see
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you now. Just a little background on our
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guest here tonight. I actually crossed paths with
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Miss Hamilton in Texas many years ago, and I've always found
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you fascinating, and I sincerely mean that because you're one of
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you people I know personally, like myself that has truly
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followed the the oral definition of art of nonconformity.
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And it's such a beautiful thing to say, to say and see rather
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and where are you tonight? Here or today you're in Alaska.
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We have a beautiful show here. You show us.
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Yes, I'm actually, I'm on a small island called OOGUA.
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It's it's standpoint Alaska on the illusion chain.
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So yeah, we might have some difficulties because the wind.
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OK, I'll try to get out, but yeah, so I'm on a small island
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on the Aleutian chain of Alaska, which is the Bering Sea.
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Essentially it's it's way a real out of curse.
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It's out there, OK. Is this like you're are you OK?
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Is this like you're Are you sending out an SOS?
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I just want to make sure because I I don't like to call anyone.
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I wouldn't know who to call. That's why I came here.
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The lifeguard. OK, yeah.
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So how cold is it where you are? Because it looks like it's bone
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chilling, which is odd for summer, but maybe it's room
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temperature for all I know. You know, you would be
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surprised. It actually rains a lot, like
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almost every single day. And so we're technically in a
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rainforest like SE. Alaska is a rainforest, even
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though I'm not in Southeast Alaska right now, But it's very
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rainy, usually moist, very humid.
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But since I got here, it's been like sunny and and beautiful.
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I would say it's probably like sixties 50s.
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Something like that is. Is it?
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Is that because everywhere you go you bring sun flowers and
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chirping birds everywhere? Absolutely. 100 percent.
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OK, OK. This makes this actually helps
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me figure out some things as I feel like everywhere I go a dark
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cloud with bats go just you know and just possums to you know
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don't forget them and well this is good to know and this this is
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it's really great to see see you actually it's good to talk to
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you it's been I'm going. Quite some time.
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Say again? You can see me.
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Oh, I can see you. Yeah, Yeah.
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Can you see me? No, it's just a still picture.
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It's just a still photo. No, that's me.
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I'm just not moving. I'm not moving very intensely in
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deep thought. So now I guess I should just ask
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the just the total tourist questions and be that guy right
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away. Now a lot of people might say,
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you know, God, you're at sea a lot.
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Are you at sea all the time? Are you on the ocean 24/7 or
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it's just, you know, on the weekends only?
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Right, the the schedule is very very random.
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And yes, usually I I could be at sea for like 3 weeks straight.
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Four weeks straight, sometimes where I will not be able to
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touch the land. And so usually we're out for
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like 3 or four or five days and then we can go to land for like
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1 1/2 days and then we turn right back around and go back
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out. We just have to stock up on like
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fresh water, groceries, fuel, stuff like that.
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OK, this is interesting. So you're on a boat now.
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People are saying, OK, she's on a boat, she's not trapped on an
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island. Now what is she doing on a boat?
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Are you what is the equivalent of the Somali pirates?
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Are you going around taxing people on the seas or what
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brings you to the boat because? First of all, but I'm a
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commercial fisherman, so yeah, I'm out here catching wild
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salmon. And how is it?
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And black cod and prawns for the people to eat.
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And have you always had a fascination and admiration for
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seafood in general, or is that something you've thrown
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accustomed to? I don't.
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I don't really like a lot of seafood.
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And especially now, after having been a fiction man, I'm
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extremely picky. No farm raised, anything.
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Are we allowed to curse, Dan? I need to know.
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I I curse a lot. I need to know.
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Oh, you need to know. Right now.
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Now. Do we curse?
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I have to call. I have to call the executives.
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Hold on, hold on. Hey, Larry.
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Yeah, you're right, Sir. I'm talking station manager.
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She wants you to say what? Yeah, she's asking me that
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question. You said she would, you know.
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OK, she's calling you bro. OK, well it doesn't matter.
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Just leave it. Do you mind?
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I'm on a phone call. So just.
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Yeah, just put that. Turn the burner off.
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Turn the burner off. Yeah.
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Yes. And like, my laundry folded.
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You know, the way I like it. Thank you.
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OK. I'm sorry about that.
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I had that was it was a foreign dignitary who calls me.
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So let's get back to you for a minute.
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OK. So you hate seafood.
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And remind me, there's a lot of like a.
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Lot of people. Industry.
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Let's just say that I, I hate landlocked traffic.
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Land lovers like land lovers great.
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She's frozen. So we were getting to, we're
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trying to discover this alternative lifestyle for for
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many because in in the same regard to have like, I meant
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like there's a lot of people who are like bartenders or are in
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the liquor industry and just don't like, you know, alcohol.
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And it's always interesting to me in in some regard, but you
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didn't get into commercial fishing because you liked fish
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sticks per se. And so trying to, we're trying
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to figure, is it because of The Adventure of the Sea, the fan of
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the Poseidon Adventures or maybe?
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Absolutely has to do with that for sure.
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I I call it vine destiny. And divine destiny.
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Define destiny or define destiny or divine?
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Divine destiny. And And once that door opens, I
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shoved my foot in there and made sure it didn't close.
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Do you know what I mean? And I've worked my way up to the
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point of where eventually I will become a captain.
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And so it's interesting to think because when you think about
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farmers. With like cows or with
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vegetables, that's easy to imagine.
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But I I could never have imagined, like, what do
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fishermen do? That's crazy.
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It's crazy to me. And it's not like I thought I
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didn't seek it out. I didn't seek this out.
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It came to me as an opportunity and I tested it and fell in love
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with it. And that's when I was like all
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in. Two months later, I sold
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everything and it was like it never turned my back.
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Really. What did you sell?
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Like what were you selling? Just like everything that you
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own that you would furnish with, essentially.
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Well, I didn't know everything. Like, like cars too.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Everything OK? Well.
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I guess that'd be. That'd be for land lovers.
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Land lovers like cars. Yeah, like cars.
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Yeah, hell with them. Hell with them.
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I miss them Closet. I have to say, you miss having a
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closet. Yes, yeah, there are.
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Some good things about the land, like bathtubs, yes.
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Do you feel like a mermaid? Would you like?
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Are you like a modern day mermaid, would you say?
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I get to pet doll sharks and stuff like that.
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You play the harp. Did you say you play the harp?
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That'd be nice, I'm sure. I could pick it up very quickly.
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Yeah. Yeah, that'd be something.
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Yeah. I catch you singing a part of
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your world or whatever was in the court.
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Anyways, so OK, so you've been doing this how many years now?
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Because I remember hearing about this ages ago and yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. So and I I recall, which that
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was a crazy time for me. When is it?
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When is it? Not a crazy time, But I I think
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I recall that I thought maybe you were doing this for summer
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or something and just to check it out and, you know, and I
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thought about it too. A long time ago, I even looked
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at something called the Sea Shepherd.
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Are you familiar with them? Sea Shepherd is a nonprofit,
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huge boat sponsored by Martin Sheen that goes around the world
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untangling dolphins and whales and and, you know, stopping the
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slaughter of dolphins over there in Japan and and cleaning up the
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ocean. It's just incredible thing.
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Yes, OK. I have heard of that.
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Yeah, I have. Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I thought about doing that. But it's hard to break away.
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And but it they do, it's such a good cause, too.
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And I've always been a I love the ocean.
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Now, have you ever thought about the Navy, like, because they get
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to travel, You know, they would say that.
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What's? Gonna be a snow for me.
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OK, Obviously, yes, I I did think about the Navy and
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actually almost torn the Navy because my granddaddy was in the
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Navy. And it's just a right.
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And so I went and I like took their test and and I was about
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to sign and then I scored that. What did you score?
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Very, very high. I could have done anything that
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I wanted. I was going to do foreign like,
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you know, like coding, decoding, relations, stuff like that.
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Like spy work. OK.
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But I thought about the past. Oh, that that must have been.
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You did really well. That.
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I think I know what you got. Don't don't tell me your score.
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I'm not gonna tell you my score. The point was that I I thought
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back on the previous three years of my life and they had how free
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and amazing they had been because I was able to travel
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wherever I wanted and experience the things that I wanted.
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And I realized that the the truly, the only thing that I was
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really craving from the military was boot camp.
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No, I wanted to be like an extreme workout and experience,
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and now I get that free without having to sacrifice or sign my
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life away or kill people, you know?
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That's why when I see hot charcoal, I pick it up.
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I like the pain. I do.
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Military compact as a whole is, like, morally conflicting, you
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know? Oh, that that part of it?
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Yeah, yeah. Like, I well, there's like they
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got a good cooking, like culinary arts program.
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I looked into a friend of mine and I just, I like the idea of
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travel and then I looked into and you might have done this
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too. I'm I'm just so glad that that
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we we crossed wingspan here to share these these rapid ideas
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but I looked into like Carnival Cruise lines and stuff.
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You ever looked in the cruises and what that would entail?
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I've never been on a cruise and I would never try to go on a
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cruise. That's not really my buy.
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But for the people that like that kind of thing, I think it's
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a great, usually safe way. To experience a little bit of
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the ocean, but that's just, that's not for me.
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Well, I looked into it. You got to like work nine days
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in a row, then one day off and you're talking.
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About working there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like you want to go on a cruise? No.
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Yeah, Like working and all these things and stuff because they
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hire positions and you got to play all these.
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I mean, it's no different than working in a restaurant, you
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know what I mean? I don't need that.
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It's a lot of fun. You get to travel.
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Like democracy. And I'm good.
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So now where is the, what is your favorite place to sell to
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before we before we sell to other destination of topics here
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because I I think we have similar former itineraries of
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places we've visited like for instance, I think you've been to
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Costa Rica, I've been there too. I do.
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Every is so precious and beautiful in in its own way.
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Vietnam, Italy, France, Ecuador, the the Caribbean.
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I mean it like you can't really say like one place is the best,
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but I will say some place that is very accessible for most
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Americans to get to. Are the Channel Islands outside
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of California? So you guys can actually like
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book a ticket on one of the vessels and they will take you
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out to the Channel Islands and you can stay the night there.
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You can go camping, you can go hiking.
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It's so beautiful. It's it's like the most perfect
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date. I would have to say like if you
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really want to impress your date, take them on a cruise out
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to the Channel Islands. Yes, I do.
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Yes, I do. Yes.
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The problem is I can't stay there too long with them because
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they charge by the hour, so that would be hard.
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You gotta get a different kind of date, Sir.
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Speed dating, though. Look at that beautiful can I?
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Is it the sun? It's a volcano.
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It's a freaking volcano. Oh my God, is it erupting?
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Is it erupting? No, OK.
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That is, what are your quarters like?
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Because obviously you hang in the ship as the ship mate, I
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think. Is that your title?
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Am I saying that right, ship mate?
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Sure, yeah. I'm a deckhand, essentially.
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First mate, you know, mate to the captain, whatever, that's
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awesome. Yeah.
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Do you have to have a bunk bed and and share with people I
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mean. Because you're.
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Two or three other men. Sometimes it's very small.
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So this is where things get interesting, and this is where
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the diagnosis starts to come. Here is I am a professionally
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trained mental evaluator. Skype people know.
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And let's get into this, let's get into this, because a lot of
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women are listening here tonight and they're saying I love
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everything, she said. But the idea of being in a tiny,
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you know. Contraption with with other kind
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of burly men, you know, so to speak, and having sure your
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moving quarters. That's a hard sell for a lot of
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women, is it not? Good.
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That's what I have to say. Good, because this isn't meant
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for for women. You know what I mean?
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Right. So what is?
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It about, I think, that women should be.
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Raising children and being soft and vulnerable, and this isn't a
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conducive environment to that. So no, there's a reason why it's
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male dominated it. It's extremely physically
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challenging. It's mentally challenging.
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But nonetheless, there are tons of women who are in the industry
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like, we're making it happen and it's not, you know?
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I I don't know if I necessarily would personally want to work
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with a bunch of women. You know, I feel safer with men,
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you know what I mean? The more mechanically inclined
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stuff like that, right, right. Well, see like it's not the
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women I'm worried about, it's the scorned women I'm very
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worried about. There is those those type are
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are not really of this earth. But what is it about because I I
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see a lot of myself in some of these stories that I hear in
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yours especially. What is it about the challenge
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and challenging not just yourself but challenging the
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social norms and the perception of what a you know you
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personally can do and not do. Because obviously there's a lot
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of pushback physically, emotionally, but I'm sure
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there's a lot of pushback within your own family circles and
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friends saying, wait a minute, Are you sure you know?
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And so there's a lot more challenge than, you know, be a
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professional manicurist, which would be a little odd and weird
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and strange. It's not about the problems at
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all. Actually, that's that's never
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why I did it. I never did it because I
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thought, oh, I'm gonna be different or I'm pushing against
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the grain. No, absolutely not.
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Mind the challenge. You don't mind the challenge.
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You're not even thinking about that.
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You're either the adventure well.
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I think that's like a sick mind game that people play with
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themselves. Especially like, if you're gonna
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do that, it's it's for some kind of like, superficial, egoistic
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reason. But I'm here because I literally
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needed to be here. Fortune saved my life.
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It wasn't calling I had. I had to come up.
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I had no choice. So the door opened.
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I went through it. I didn't know what the fuck I
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was doing. I didn't know anything, but you
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just go because you know in your heart and in your gut you have
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to do this. I don't know why I have to do
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it. I just have to do it.
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And then it shows up in the end like you know it will reveal
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itself as time puts on. But it's never about like this
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is super different. I'm gonna be so different.
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I'm I'm not a well, I don't think I'm in it to that extreme.
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I'm not a feminist in that sense.
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No, not at all. That there.
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Are a lot of females that work in this industry who are
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feminists? No.
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Let me, let me try to, your honor.
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Let me try to explain myself, please, before you send me to 35
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years of life is but so so me. I like the challenge of like
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what I do. I like the challenge of trying
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to better my next project and challenge of doing it in a
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timeline and a precision get better.
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To me, that's if it's not a challenge for itself and maybe
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the Capricorn thing. A lot of people have told me I
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just like the idea of doing something that is creative, but,
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you know, maybe it can't be done or I don't think I could have
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done it, but I can do it. And I I I enjoy those
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challenges. It's not something where I I
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well, I've done it. Okay.
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Time to turn in and let me go back to monastery, you know, so
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it's not not in that sense. I just like the personal, I
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guess 11 Challenge is another one's goal, right.
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I like the idea of setting that goal of where I want to take it,
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you know, you know, because like I remember when I first was
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driving the challenge or the goal was to we'll drive on the
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freeway. Well, the next goal was, well,
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let's let me drive to Vegas, you know, And it was freeing.
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And when I proved it to myself, and as cliche as I love it, if
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you put your mind to it, sometimes you can accomplish a
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lot of things. And those other times, well, you
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know, you got to keep trying. Yeah, just follow your heart and
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do what feels right and you know, go where you're called, go
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where you felt that. That's it.
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We don't have any like pre. Intended things that we're
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trying. I mean, obviously, like, yes,
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I'm trying to get my captain's license and stuff like that, but
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but I'm not. I'm not going to embark upon
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something with some kind of egotistical goal of proving
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something. I just simply follow my heart
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and and will and like go where you are called and where you
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feel to go. And you're doing this because
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you love it, and because you're feeling called to do it.
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So yeah, it might be against the norm or against the grain or
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might be challenging or whatever.
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Those are all like side effects. We're not doing it because of
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that. Ohh let me go be the most
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different person I can be. Like what would be the most like
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anti feminine thing to do like cleaning sewers?
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I don't know. Being construction worker,
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cleaning sewers made my list. Hold on, keep going, I.
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Don't know any bitches that would be willing to do that.
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Again, you never told me that it was OK to curse, so please
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confirm that. OK.
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No, it's you're fine. You're fine.
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I push the confirm button. I'm walking inside.
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For a second, I'm walking inside.
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I mean, confirm is, is this your e-mail?
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Confirm. Now here's another thing.
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How about women bowlers? Oh, this is good.
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I'm gonna make all this women. I bet they're really good.
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We'll do the men next. We're gonna start with the women
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first. OK, So women bowlers, You don't
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see that often. I'm not sure ESPN even carries
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it. OK, here's another one.
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Women. Yeah, women.
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Line tamers. Haven't seen that one yet.
27:10
Like, like lion tamers. You know, like those people that
27:13
rastle the bears and all those types.
27:15
You have seen a few. OK, OK.
27:18
You've seen them. You've seen them.
27:20
Yeah, So many. Like, how about women
27:23
astronomers? Women, astronomers.
27:27
You're kidding, right? You're kidding, right?
27:30
That's all we have are women? No.
27:33
I would think about things like construction, work, people.
27:39
That's too easy. Well, yeah, it's construction,
27:43
you know, I got to think about that one.
27:45
But so anyways, enough about that because it's late night
27:50
thoughts now. Are you a late night owl or are
27:54
you an early bird special kind of person?
27:58
Dean, darling, there is no such thing anymore as time when
28:02
you're a fisherman. Because sometimes I go to bed at
28:05
8:00 AM. Sometimes I need to have a beer
28:08
at 9:00 AM so that I can go to bed because that's bedtime.
28:11
We work 24/7. We work around the clock.
28:15
There is no such thing as like a schedule or a regular schedule.
28:20
We fish at night. So yeah, I'm an early bird.
28:25
I'm a late bird. I'm all of the birds, OK?
28:30
And if you were a bird, what kind of bird would you behave?
28:33
So I have an. I need to visualize things.
28:36
Honestly, like, if we could talk about birds for a second, 'cause
28:38
I literally just saved the seabirds life.
28:41
I took it into my own personal bunk and fed it and like
28:44
rehabilitated it. It was the cutest little seed
28:46
petrol, these tiny little black birds, the cutest of the week at
28:51
sea petrol. They're so cute over that song.
28:57
Blackbird singing in a dead of night.
29:00
Take the. Eagle.
29:02
You know, we have all over the place here.
29:04
They're so fucking. I'm a I'm partial.
29:08
I like 2 cans. I like 2 cans.
29:11
I drove. I drew a two can once.
29:14
Them Salt. No hate.
29:16
But seriously, like, if you want they're whores and they're used
29:19
as tourists for tourist birds. Oh my God.
29:25
I'm just kidding. Oh my God.
29:28
I love all of animals. But you know the birds that are
29:32
like that people pay to like take pictures with and stuff.
29:37
Well, after having rehabilitated and rescued a few birds, I
29:39
understand that like the more you touch them, the less able
29:42
they are to fly because the your hand oils are fucking up their
29:45
feathers. And so I just, I just see those
29:48
birds getting manhandled by tourists all weekend and it
29:51
like, breaks my heart. I'm like, wow, they're obviously
29:54
not flying. No, they're not.
29:57
And, you know, I don't think I've ever witnessed a Penguin
30:00
flying either. Just while we're at it.
30:03
Okay, are you saying that two cans don't fly?
30:06
I don't know cuz I really don't know.
30:09
You know, I've only I'd have to get.
30:13
I haven't studied them that species in a while so.
30:17
Move on. Yes.
30:23
So as as we kind of you know what is, what are what do you
30:27
usually when it's like frozen I guess you know like you can't
30:31
look like sail on the seas. What do you do for your
30:35
downtime? Are you go on the land or do you
30:40
do you go skydiving or you know mountain climbing?
30:45
There's a lot of mountains there, I would assume you know.
30:50
You rotate fisheries, essentially.
30:52
You just go to a different fishery during the winter and
30:55
for me that's usually squid in California or lobster in
31:01
somewhere on the on the West Coast.
31:03
But further, yeah, you just, yeah, but a lot of people go
31:08
crabbing in the winter. I don't think that's something
31:10
that I personally could ever do or would want to do.
31:14
I mean, I am a fisherman. Crabbing is so hard and intense.
31:21
I just don't think that I don't want it to come.
31:27
Yeah. So that's so there is exposed
31:29
like as a woman, I don't think that I could handle crabbing
31:33
physically, physically handled, right.
31:36
It's a tough one. Really tough.
31:39
Tough. I mean, we're piling this like 4
31:42
acre net for 15 hours a day, right?
31:45
It's not easy. You are experiencing extreme
31:47
mental fatigue, like fatigue, like out the ass.
31:50
Plus you're already sleep deprived.
31:52
Plus you're dealing with these tiny quarters of people that you
31:54
have nothing in common with. Like the stress level is high,
31:58
but you, you know, you're able to get through it.
32:01
Crabbing is something that I've seen.
32:04
I think it's just a whole different level.
32:07
So with all this, all the emotional stress you were
32:13
talking about there, and physical, physical one too, how
32:16
do you, how do you, what do you do to relax?
32:20
That's a really good question. And you know, one of the most
32:25
vital and important things that I have taken away from fishing
32:29
that has taught me is who are you?
32:34
When everything is stripped away, who are you?
32:37
Truly, at the core, how are you going to handle it?
32:40
Because on land we always have some kind of comfort to turn to,
32:44
whether that's alcohol, drinks, wine or weed or cigarettes or
32:51
tobacco or TV or, you know, shows that we watch or movies or
32:57
taking a shower, you know, going to sleep, reading.
33:03
Yeah, OK, we can read. Do that.
33:05
Listening to the radio, like so there's no TV, there's no
33:08
Internet, like there's no alcohol, there's no tobacco,
33:12
everything is stripped away, all creature comfort are completely
33:16
stripped away. And you want to add on top of
33:19
that deep deprivation and extremely physically challenging
33:24
environment. So like, how do you react when
33:27
you have? Is it hard to, like, keep in
33:31
touch with friends and stuff or is that, yeah, yeah, you know, I
33:37
don't have it. It's hard to see your children.
33:40
It's it won't do anything. Like I I have a boyfriend and I
33:45
literally just spoke to him for the first time in almost two
33:49
months because, do you know what I mean?
33:54
So he has zero service out here. And when you're gill netting,
33:58
that's a whole different game. I mean literally on a phone at
34:02
feet for 50 straight. Days.
34:06
Not even taking a single shower. A single shower not even taking.
34:12
That's very intense. People don't.
34:15
That's why I'm saying that you can, you can, you can envision a
34:17
farmer with cows or with vegetables, but nobody really
34:20
understands fishing. And so I'm just with tiny little
34:25
videos. I make it look really beautiful
34:27
and pleasant. But.
34:29
Truly, truly trying to expose the world to understand, like,
34:33
where are the people coming from?
34:34
Be conscious about what you're eating.
34:36
Sushi in the middle of the desert like Vegas is
34:39
unsustainable, so we just, we should think about that stuff.
34:43
People are just blindly consuming with zero care, and
34:48
we're out here literally risking our lives every single set to be
34:53
able to provide you with that blind consumption.
34:55
Yeah, the free market. Yeah, Yeah.
34:59
You go where the market is. You're very reminiscent of, I
35:05
watched this documentary on the on people that become Swami's
35:08
over there in India. Yeah, yeah, really good.
35:14
And they have to give all these things up that you're talking
35:18
about. And I was watching this and
35:23
majority of these people in this particular documentary was on
35:27
the BBC and it was Louis Thoreau.
35:30
Is that some kind of turning point in a kind of that that
35:36
moment that made them behind whether it was they some of
35:43
these people were gambling a lot or drinking or they they were in
35:48
a very intense abusive situation or you know there's just walks
35:54
of life but there there's that that that trauma bond I I
35:58
noticed in this this particular. For the people that seat now,
36:04
because they need like a separation, they need such an
36:08
extensive healing that they literally have to remove
36:10
themselves from that environment.
36:12
I understand. I understand why people do that.
36:16
Yeah. Yeah, So, you know, it's people
36:22
are seeking something. You know, people are seeking
36:25
something. A lot of people are seeking
36:26
something and they're on a journey and it maybe it's
36:30
personal or maybe it's televised, you know, as you were
36:34
mentioning earlier. And you know, some people, some
36:39
people are like seeking like a a best friend, right?
36:43
Because the older friends suck. And then they give up and then
36:47
they meet like their best friend, like when they're like
36:49
62 years old. Is that crazy?
36:54
I I don't think that's crazy. So do you know what contrarian
37:02
means? Oh, my, you.
37:06
You're the ultimate contrarian to my contrarian.
37:10
So what is? What is that?
37:12
What does that make the contrary to the contrarian?
37:18
So I'm not a contrarian, not intentionally, but I will just
37:22
speak how I feel, truthfully and if contrary.
37:28
Very good. You are at Joan of Arc.
37:34
Oh, my God. Well, we're going to end this
37:38
wonderful episode. And I want to thank you for
37:42
coming on and I hope you and get a lot of catches.
37:48
Yes, we fish early tomorrow morning.
37:50
We're starting at 6:00 AM and then we're going to three days
37:54
straight. So that means not very much.
37:57
Perfect. Yeah, we're very excited.
37:59
The fish are jumping all around, which is a really good sign.
38:02
And I hope you guys like wild caught salmon.
38:06
Love it. Well, thank you, Katie Hamilton.
38:08
Thank you very much. It's the conclusion of a late
38:27
Nine Thoughts episode that I did last night.
38:29
Before I give my peer review, why don't we go around the Real
38:32
Deal round table here and start with some of our Real Deal
38:36
members to get their sincere, honest review.
38:39
Do not pull any punches and don't dare think there's going
38:43
to be any retribution for your Real Deal review.
38:46
So let's start with Lisa Strafford.
38:48
What's your review? What's your take on what we just
38:51
witnessed there, Lisa? OK, well, I really like her.
38:55
I think she's adorable. She has a great personality and
38:58
that's a really rough life. She's a rebel and free spirit
39:03
and I would hang out with her and it's just very fascinating
39:10
that she does. And you have to be a certain
39:12
personality to do it, being a woman.
39:13
And I would not want to be trapped in a bit with all those
39:16
men. Very, very interesting.
39:20
Yeah, that is right. I mean imagine and it's sad we
39:25
didn't capture this in the interview, but she's like in a
39:28
little cabin with like three other guys, bunk bed style,
39:33
which let's go to Sean Gregorian, who is everyone to
39:37
shy away from. A truly in depth analysis on
39:40
you, film the culture and in motion here.
39:44
Sean, What what is your take? I I liked it.
39:46
I enjoyed listening to her because of the way she puts
39:51
herself, you know, not in the comfort zone, but in a difficult
39:56
job, having real raw experiences in life and challenging herself.
40:03
We'll come back to that. Let's go to Dana real quick.
40:05
Dana, let's get your take. Go ahead.
40:07
What? What's your take on the whole?
40:10
Ma'am, I have to give it up to her with that kind of lifestyle
40:13
on the boat. Wow.
40:16
Not for me, but I, I, I'm more prior to her for that kind of
40:20
life that she's living for her work.
40:22
I mean, wow. I I couldn't do that.
40:24
I mean I do air crying out loud. But The thing is living on a
40:28
boat and like running with those men, that's some rough work.
40:31
And then she said it's all physical and mental.
40:33
I just wow, more prior to for that.
40:36
But I mean. She sounds like she enjoys it,
40:40
though. At least she's enjoying what
40:41
she's doing. I could.
40:43
I couldn't do it OK, but OK I. Thought I thought she was OK.
40:48
Seth, I was reading some of your comments during the the actual
40:51
episode and we should feel some sort of guilt for eating the
40:57
food people are you know, that she's risking herself in the
41:00
same kind of echoes we kind of hear from cops like exactly what
41:05
we need. You know what I'm saying?
41:07
But isn't this is her choice? Like the Swami's, the people who
41:10
become Swami's? She signed.
41:12
To do that right. Nobody's forcing her, you know?
41:16
It's like, you know, this is what she wants to do.
41:18
This is what she chose to do. Trying to figure out what the
41:21
whole topic was about. She seemed kind of deep to me,
41:25
like a lot of stuff she was talking about was was really
41:28
deep, and I kind of just zoned out.
41:30
But then when I got part to the power, she was like, I'm risking
41:33
my life. And I'm like 4 guys.
41:36
And it's dangerous. I'm like, yeah, I do dangerous
41:38
work too. I can actually die on the work
41:40
that I'm doing. If I'm up on a ladder 20 feet
41:43
and I fall, you know, I could die.
41:45
Am I gonna, like, make the customer feel bad that, you
41:48
know, I'm risking my life to do whatever?
41:51
It's like, no, well, I mean this is what I got.
41:55
OK, here's my take on it And then it's free for all.
41:57
So if you just having a pinch just pipe in and don't don't
42:00
hesitate whatsoever. I felt she was very off putting
42:05
where I was just trying to you know just have a a friendly
42:09
conversation as we did prior to the interview and it it was
42:14
almost there's nothing I could say that was anyway shape or
42:18
form. Like I said, two cans.
42:19
She's like, fuck the two cans. I'm like, okay.
42:22
What? What?
42:23
You said something about. Penguins fly.
42:26
And then she said something about two cans.
42:28
Like she totally changed the bird on you, right?
42:32
Cuz I well, I mentioned prior that I, you know, I happen like
42:34
2 cans. Just they're colorful.
42:36
I mean, I don't know if they're asshole birds, but I mean it was
42:39
like, fuck the two cans. I'm like, well, cruising.
42:40
You ever thought about cruising? Fuck cruising.
42:42
Fuck the Navy. That's why you kept saying.
42:46
That's why you called their contrarian?
42:49
Well, well, she's. I'm kind of a contrarian, but
42:52
she's like, it's like to me it was like, it's like the people
42:55
at high school that are they're goth, but they're trying to be
42:58
different, but they really go out of the way to be different.
43:01
Being Goth, it's. Like Devil's Advocate, Almost
43:04
right? It was to me.
43:06
It was like difficult. It was.
43:10
She's a little, I could tell she was tired, a little.
43:12
A little feisty in the sense of just someone who's saying that
43:19
they're not going against the grain or social norms, but no,
43:22
you are. You are going against the grain
43:25
of social norms. That was my take on it.
43:27
And I was trying to get past all this, but it was I gave up this,
43:32
I gave up that. I don't need coffee, I don't
43:34
need weed. And you know, I've just this is
43:37
that's where it was frustrating. Myself on the back?
43:42
Yeah, that's why I kept calling her Joan of Arc.
43:44
So that's kind of my first. Take on it.
43:47
And I it was. It was irritating me because she
43:50
was irritated. I was just trying to be as
43:52
friendly and polite as ever. And that's kind of my that's why
43:57
I'm like, I'm just going to end this now because it wasn't to
44:00
me, it wasn't going to go anywhere pleasant at the rate it
44:03
was going. It would have been good TV if it
44:05
did go further and got a little spicy.
44:09
Well, now that you mentioned that, yeah, I probably should
44:11
continue and. Then hit the every button.
44:14
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean when people like curse, they don't go
44:19
out of their way to like, curse. Like, oh fucking hell, you know,
44:22
people go. I don't fucking believe it.
44:24
You know what I'm saying? It's like just reminded me of
44:27
the goth girls and the the punker girls that go out of
44:30
their fucking way to be noticed and say no, I want to.
44:32
Be so edgy. Yeah, I'm so edgy.
44:36
I'm wearing a Ramones tshirt. OK, let's get now.
44:41
Am I far off? No, I felt that with her mouth.
44:45
Yeah, she's. It's not very.
44:47
I know she's on a fishing boat, but come on now, her tone as
44:51
well, I thought, yeah, she's so defensive.
44:54
I thought you handled it nicely. I thought so too.
44:59
I thought you handled it really, really nicely because in the
45:02
past you wouldn't have just saying it's true.
45:05
Well, there's a lot of truth to that, you know, There's a lot of
45:11
truth to that. You also said yeah, she reminds
45:14
you of a man. You said that Yeah, she reminds
45:17
you of a dude. She acts like the male's on the
45:20
boat. Yes, that's what she's doing.
45:22
She's living with them. You think she's not cursing like
45:23
that for that reason? What happens?
45:26
Yeah, she sounds like I told her she has the mouth of a truck
45:29
driver. Manly mouth and messages.
45:33
Shawn, let's get your take on that now that you kind of heard
45:36
my side because I really, you know, me saying, do you like the
45:43
challenge wasn't really trying to shatter her entire world, but
45:48
she kind of took it that way, I felt.
45:50
I understand. Yeah.
45:51
I get where you're coming from. I guess there's different things
45:53
that you could take from this her, you know, interacting with
45:57
her was was difficult. She does have a tone in a way.
46:01
I guess I was just putting myself in the shoes of somebody
46:04
who would go out and do a job like that.
46:07
Imagining myself, you know, not having the creature comforts and
46:10
being in danger and, you know, being so.
46:12
I guess I was thinking about that whole experience.
46:14
But I I know what you're saying because you know as an
46:18
interviewer when you you know, obviously this is a challenge.
46:21
There's there's no way around it.
46:23
Doing something like that is challenging.
46:25
And for someone to play semantics and be like, well,
46:27
it's not a challenge, you know, that's that's just a turnoff for
46:30
an interviewer. And then at the end when she was
46:33
like, it's not crazy. I was like.
46:35
Well, she doesn't know what he means by crazy.
46:37
That's just kind of a figure of speech that people use when
46:41
they're talking about like a Would you imagine it would
46:44
happen this way if I told you to, if you had a big ordeal
46:48
later this evening? I told you to break a leg.
46:50
I hope you think I don't mean for you to really break a leg.
46:54
Yeah. You know, like, I mean, if she
46:57
still gets, if she's so against challenges, why is she
47:00
challenging me every other syllable that comes out?
47:02
Yeah. Yeah.
47:03
And and you know I that is distasteful when I'm when I'm
47:07
talking to somebody and rather than responding to they know the
47:12
gist of what I'm saying And rather than responding to that
47:14
to hang on one word and and object to that's, you know,
47:18
that's that's just. Patty.
47:20
I mean Dana, I'm going to go to you because you like boats.
47:26
You know and you know you've had hard jobs And Seth, you too.
47:30
I mean you just if you were trying to really show how cool
47:33
your job was would you really get a piece of cake.
47:38
Well, right. But you don't say this is you
47:40
know I can't She's like I haven't been able to talk to my
47:44
boyfriend in two months. I haven't showered in two
47:46
months. I sleep in 1/4 surrounded by
47:48
three guys. I have no opportunity to watch
47:51
TV. No cars.
47:52
I mean, she's literally without thinking, subconsciously telling
47:56
me how shitty her life is. But then if I say that kind of
47:59
sucks, No, it doesn't, Well, OK. I mean, it is semantics.
48:03
Isn't? Are we?
48:04
Were we? I guess Seth and Dan, I'll ask
48:06
you, was that a perfect display of professional semantics like
48:12
hockey? Like hockey?
48:13
Well, just the back and forth. I mean, every time I was
48:16
pitching what I thought. Don't stop being hurt.
48:19
Yeah, you. Know what I'm saying?
48:20
Pretty, pretty good, Dean. And you?
48:23
You almost like Fetter like material so that she could hit
48:27
back. That's right.
48:30
That's right. Like.
48:31
Laid it up for it. She she dunked it every time the
48:34
Drona Bach comment, just like fed into her ego did it.
48:39
I mean, Lisa, I'm gonna go to you because, you know at first
48:46
you were saying how cool she is. And I agree the beginning I felt
48:50
the beginning was it was rather pleasant, you know, and.
48:54
I thought she's a rebel, but she's a rebel who I think is
48:58
subconsciously trying to be 1 where some people are just one
49:01
by nature, not by practice. You could be a rebel and still
49:05
be a stay at home mother, or you could be a rebel and be a nine
49:09
to five her who is supporting people and contributing to
49:12
causes or whatever. There's all pathways to be
49:15
rebels, but at any point in time in the conversation, and I have
49:22
to ask you is and if I'm wrong, maybe you didn't see it, did
49:26
you? At what point did the interview
49:28
turn maybe a little sour, if it did at all?
49:32
She asked. I think she asked three times
49:34
about cursing and it was like defense.
49:36
It was like just defensive. I was like you asked the second
49:40
time and then the third time, and she was like, harsh about
49:42
it. Like I was like, well, I'm gonna
49:44
curse anyway, you know? Like, why, right?
49:46
You know. What I'm saying cuz she's like
49:48
a. Dude, I'm gonna sway like a
49:49
sailor. She's acting like one of the
49:51
guys that that's just what's gonna happen.
49:54
Like one time I had a friend who I worked with since like 1988 up
49:58
until like 2007. Seriously.
50:01
And she was like my big sister. Anyway, she never cursed.
50:03
Never cursed, right? Well then we we disconnected and
50:07
then we just reconnected cuz her her second husband died.
50:10
The love of her life. Well, guess what?
50:11
All of a sudden she's like F this, F that, F this.
50:13
And I'm like, what? Like this girl never cursed.
50:16
Ever. She would never and I did and
50:17
she would always be like Lisa, you know?
50:19
Anyway, so The thing is, she cursed.
50:21
Well, then I found it. And it's weird.
50:22
It's a weird connection because it's funny that it's a big long
50:24
story, guys. I won't get on the show about
50:25
it, but it's it's like layers of connections.
50:27
Her husband's like a big cursor. Like they cursed all the time.
50:30
And and anyways, my point to you is like, I think the environment
50:32
has a lot to do with it too. OK, let's go to someone else.
50:35
Seth, what say you on this? Should I have kept going or did
50:43
I stop at the right time? Because at the same time, you
50:45
know, when you're a host, you're also in my case, I'm thinking
50:48
about the audience too. I'm always thinking about
50:51
perception, because a lot of times perception can be reality
50:55
for for many. Like you said you you kind of
50:58
zoned out as many would you know in some cases so but that's what
51:04
I'm saying. People do like whether it's
51:07
music they can zone out but they still can hear tones right tone
51:11
is very important melody in in music and conversation flow.
51:16
And so was there any good that was that was going to come out
51:21
of that, that interview or was it was it, was it the right time
51:26
to hang the towel right there and then and even do a proper,
51:29
you know, conclusion of the show?
51:31
Yeah, it kind of just ended. But it was probably a good idea
51:35
to end it there. I think if if you thought that
51:38
there was value in continuing, you know for entertainment value
51:43
you probably would have. But I think you you could kind
51:47
of see the future that if he if he did try to continue it and it
51:51
started to get ugly, then it probably would have been like an
51:55
awkward scene. So entertainment value wise it
51:58
probably wasn't a good idea to continue.
52:00
It's a just end it another thing I felt too.
52:04
I just felt that there is really nothing I could say that she
52:10
didn't really have a a kind of a a very bad undertone of a
52:15
response to. I mean I could have said like,
52:17
you know, I I love wearing jackets.
52:20
And she could say, well why would you like wearing jackets?
52:23
Jackets are for quitters. You know, like there's nothing I
52:26
could have said like I like water but you know, just like do
52:29
you know where your water comes from?
52:30
I mean just it was if. They like coffee.
52:34
Yeah, I should. I like coffee like other, you
52:36
know, millions of people that are on rock selling places and
52:40
weed and. Coffee.
52:42
Coffee. Weed.
52:45
And so that that's kind of conclude that anyone have any
52:47
final things to add. Should I bring her back or
52:51
should I? Any final kind of final comments
52:54
before we end this one? Can I say something?
52:56
I have to say, yeah, he did really great with how you
52:58
handled her. You didn't come across as
53:00
defensive as she did look defensive.
53:02
But The thing is, I just felt like all the things that I
53:04
stated about her, if you put it all together, that's what you
53:07
get. You get a personality like that.
53:08
And I don't know if she's younger and those people, just
53:10
sometimes you get people like that.
53:11
But The thing is, I thought you handled this class and I didn't
53:13
get that overall tone to where to where you, if you wanted to
53:17
air it, like I would still air it is my point.
53:19
If that was your question. OK, OK.
53:24
Yeah. No, no, no, that's good.
53:25
No, no, no. This is what we want to hear.
53:27
That's what we want to hear. We just want to hear like I
53:29
should. Yeah.
53:30
I guess there. There's a final thing.
53:31
Should I hear this? There's a kind of final, final
53:35
question. What?
53:36
What does everyone think? I think so.
53:40
I the the redeeming aspect of it for me is basically what I said
53:46
if if people are focusing on. Her job in imagining what it
53:49
would be like to do something like that, I I guess.
53:52
I don't know. But the the times, I mean, could
53:56
you edit out the worst exchanges?
53:59
Maybe, You know, like the challenging thing?
54:01
When that that would be hard because that was the deal
54:06
breaker. Yeah, yeah, that's where.
54:08
Well, the. Yeah.
54:10
When you said isn't that crazy? And she's like, it's not crazy,
54:13
that was just the last drop, I think.
54:16
Yeah, I think if if you went on after that it, it probably would
54:21
have been only to look at the awkward exchanges as as like
54:25
Seth said, you know, end up being some kind of amusement or
54:27
entertainment for people. But I mean, the problem with
54:30
this is that, I mean, for instance, debate is one thing,
54:33
like you could sit and debate with someone, but to have these
54:36
testy, like passive aggressive exchanges is not.
54:40
Comfortable and and not the same as just outright debate with
54:44
somebody, right? It was a little testy.
54:48
That's what I got too. I I felt testy.
54:51
Danna, did you say Eric or no? No, I think you said I'm, I'm, I
54:55
figure you'd be doing some serious editing on it, but I
54:59
think it'll. I'm gonna be good.
55:01
Could. Could.
55:03
Chef. What's a You?
55:06
I say thumbs down, okay, it goes down.
55:10
Lisa Shepherd saying that maybe the rough environment is taking
55:15
a toll on her mental health and she's becoming kind of the
55:19
testosterone early man she hangs out with.
55:22
Is that fair to say? Yeah.
55:25
Yeah, I agree with that. You know how this cabin fever
55:29
and you go crazy? Maybe that happens on boats as
55:32
well. It's got to, yeah.
55:35
It's got to. When you're not on, when you're
55:37
not on land and and walking. Yeah, I never thought about
55:42
that. Like like I remember 3.
55:43
People I remember my grandfather was in the Navy for 22 years.
55:48
His cousin, I believe or brother-in-law was in the Navy
55:51
and he was in a submarine for a long time or an exceptional
55:56
amount of time, and he said he lost his own.
55:57
Yeah, yeah, it does. Where it does.
56:01
Where? That's very true.
56:02
And and you're risking, you know, like she said, you know,
56:04
life. Very interesting point, Okay.
56:07
We're going to end it there. We're going to end it there.
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I'll never eat seafood again. I'll never.
56:12
I'm never going to. That's right.
56:17
There you have it. So I want to thank all my
56:19
patrons here who are getting their honest review and I don't
56:24
think any women here tonight are going to be signing up for any
56:26
crab fishing expeditions like now.
56:29
So that's how that one is. Alright, thank you everybody.
56:32
And for all of us here, we're doing meeting.
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I'm Dean Ryan, saying mahalo.