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Confusion reigns as radio giant ARN battles Kyle and Jackie O · The Front

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  Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
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  Speaker 1: It's Monday, May eleven, twenty twenty six. There could be
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  Speaker 1: no more innocent pursuit girls netball on a beautiful autumn
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  Speaker 1: morning in Sydney. But now families from a Jewish community
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  Speaker 1: run just over two hundred and fifty dwellings in the
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  Speaker 1: That's more than the council that runs all of Alice
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  Speaker 1: Springs with eleven thousand households.
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  Speaker 2: That exclusive is live now.
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  Speaker 1: At the Australian dot Com dot AU Broadcaster ARN doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem to have a roadmap for life after Kyl and
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Oh or any kind of map at all as
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  Speaker 1: the chairman gets all mixed.
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  Speaker 2: Up about location.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Jackson's here today with all the best from his
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  Speaker 1: media diary, plus a Green Senator going bananas, and we
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  Speaker 1: can't help having a chuckle at the expense of the
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately named tapped media. First there was bananas in pajamas,
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  Speaker 1: and then Bluey came along and blew them out of
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  Speaker 1: the water. I'm joined by Steve Jackson, the Australian's Media
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  Speaker 1: diary editor who never misses the big yarns. JACKO, today
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  Speaker 1: you're breaking a story about the bananas in pajamas. First,
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask do you approve of the bananas?
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  Speaker 2: Because I do not.
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  Speaker 3: You don't look. I'm from Queenslan, so bananas obviously banana bending.
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  Speaker 1: For me.
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  Speaker 3: It's a return home. But we know that Hugh Mars
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  Speaker 3: has been banging on and on and on about the
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  Speaker 3: blue IP and how they didn't get enough of the IP.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC does own the bananas and pajamas IP. Is
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  Speaker 3: that a good thing?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it is. I think they should
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  Speaker 2: give it away.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's time for the bananas to go to
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  Speaker 1: wherever bananas go after they're finished with on the barbecue, perhaps.
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  Speaker 3: All banana bread, but the fact that they've still got
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  Speaker 3: the IP after thirty years probably suggests it hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: in high demand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody else wants it.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike Bluey, where the ABC was embarrassed by the BBC,
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  Speaker 1: which commercialized this incredible production that should have been an
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  Speaker 1: asset for the ABC to monetize forever. The ABC is
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  Speaker 1: proud to own Bananas in Pajamas. It's a beloved children
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  Speaker 1: show by everyone except me. It's been on here since
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  Speaker 1: the early nineteen nineties.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's one senator that's particularly excited about Bananas and Pajamas.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Tell me about her.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Senator Hanson Young has been bragging to anyone who
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  Speaker 3: will listen, and quite a few people who won't, but
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  Speaker 3: how she was critical in getting fifty million dollars of
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  Speaker 3: additional funding for the ABC to make children's content and drama.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it's been one of those things. And
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  Speaker 3: she was boasting at a Screen Forever conference. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of the big ones where everyone and the screen industry
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  Speaker 3: comes together, pats himself on the back and pay each
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  Speaker 3: other to turn up and give lectures to other people
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  Speaker 3: about how to make content, and she was at it
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  Speaker 3: boasting about how she got this money and how she
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  Speaker 3: basically forced the government to give the ABC fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 3: First cab off the rank. Bananda's and Juma's live action
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  Speaker 3: reboot just happens to be filmed in her electric.
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  Speaker 1: Politicians lobby for things for their electorates all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Hanson Young is a very prominent Green senator, and
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  Speaker 1: the Greens are of course expanding their remit well beyond
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  Speaker 1: rivers and coalas into everything else, dental, migration, policy, housing
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  Speaker 1: and of course children's television, which is a particular passion
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  Speaker 1: of hers. It's not a bad thing, though, is it
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  Speaker 1: for her to be bringing productions to Adelaide.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that what she's supposed to do?
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  Speaker 3: I know it's in many ways it's good, right. I
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  Speaker 3: think when we're growing up and you thought the Greens,
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  Speaker 3: you thought bloke in the back of a little VW
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  Speaker 3: beetle with a fraid faded Koala outfit and a little
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  Speaker 3: bucket that he'd been collecting one dollar coins in out
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  Speaker 3: by the bus stop. Now they want to have the
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  Speaker 3: bananas and Bajama's costumes in the back of the convertible now.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not a bad thing and she is right
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  Speaker 3: to push for this because you look at children's content
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  Speaker 3: in Australia, we know that the commercial networks they're not
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  Speaker 3: making it. They can't afford to make it because there's
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  Speaker 3: not the returns in it unless you strike gold with
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  Speaker 3: a bluey. And the ABC's new managing director or I
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  Speaker 3: should say new Issues been there a year, so I
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  Speaker 3: can't keep calling him new. But Hugh Mars has talked
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  Speaker 3: about That's one of the things he's also passionate about,
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  Speaker 3: is seeing that as a as a big social responsibility
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  Speaker 3: to ensure that Ossie kids have Ossie made Ossie focus
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  Speaker 3: children's content and look, the ABC has done great work
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  Speaker 3: in this space. I still watch with my daughter The Investigators,
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  Speaker 3: Little Lunch, great live action programming run Sarah Henson Young.
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  Speaker 3: She pushed for fifty million dollars more and she's got
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  Speaker 3: it right, and she's got the money and they're doing
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  Speaker 3: his show. The question is always in these circumstances, should
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  Speaker 3: the money or has there been any sort of advocating
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  Speaker 3: for it to be done in her own backyard? Like
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  Speaker 3: why is this money going to Adelaide?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, surely the.
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  Speaker 1: Bananas belonged by Sydney Harbor, or you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: very least in Federation Square in Melbourne. Why would they
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  Speaker 1: be in Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: Well, traditionally there is a lot of support for filmmaking
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  Speaker 3: and productions in Adelaide. We know that the film Gallipoli,
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  Speaker 3: I think was filmed in Adelaide. Apparently Gallipoli looks a
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  Speaker 3: lot like the hills surrounding Adelaide.
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  Speaker 2: The trenches of the Gallipoli Peninsula.
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  Speaker 3: Not the part I went to in Gallipoli, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure somewhere along there looks it looks a lot like
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  Speaker 3: the Barossa and apparently I just rewatched Breaker Morant. Amazing
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  Speaker 3: how South Africa looks a lot like Adelaide as well,
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  Speaker 3: and the surrounds it's in one of those places looks
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  Speaker 3: a lot like Adelaide.
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  Speaker 2: I'm never going to see Rundell more than quite the same.
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  Speaker 3: Way again, yeah, a little bit like mash It was
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  Speaker 3: amazing how the thirtieth Parallel in the Korean Peninsula looked
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  Speaker 3: a lot like southern California. Right. I grew up thinking,
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  Speaker 3: oh that's what Korea looks like. Not so much so.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those questions that she will get, which
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  Speaker 3: the ABC will get because I've asked them not least
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  Speaker 3: of all. But is this pork barreling? And look, you
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  Speaker 3: know more about politics than me. Like most things, you
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  Speaker 3: know more about it than me. But there's no suggestion
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Hanson young Is has in any way said I'll
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  Speaker 3: get you fifty million dollars, but you've got to spend
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  Speaker 3: some of it in my seat. But do you reckon
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  Speaker 3: it is in any way?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really I can't give a fair opinion about
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  Speaker 1: senators because I'm with Paul Keating. I think the whole
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  Speaker 1: Senate is Unrepresentatives will and upper houses generally shouldn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: You know, she's a Senator for South Australia. She's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to represent the whole state. I would have rather seen
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  Speaker 1: the bananas. If you're going to be anywhere in South Australia,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they could have been up on the ap wylands
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  Speaker 1: or you know, somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit more exotic getting eaten by sharks.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the budget Jerry Crink, I'm for a Queensland. We
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  Speaker 3: don't have an upper House. We got rid of that
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  Speaker 3: in decade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unnecessary. The bananas are nothing if not woke Jacko.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be.
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  Speaker 1: Doing acknowledgments of country in all of these episodes, certainly
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  Speaker 1: if Sarah Hanson Young is involved.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure where bananas come from. They probably do
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  Speaker 3: need to be welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, i'd say so.
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  Speaker 1: You heard an acknowledgment of country this week that kind
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  Speaker 1: of surprised you what was going on as.
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  Speaker 3: All our listeners will no doubt have strong views on
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  Speaker 3: because I do read the comments sections on our website.
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  Speaker 3: Is acknowledgment of country? Welcome to country? Have they come
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  Speaker 3: to tokenistic? Are they just said at the drop of
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  Speaker 3: a hat? And I was at the aarn AGM quite
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  Speaker 3: a fiery one talking about whether or not Kyle Sandalands
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  Speaker 3: and Jackie o' henderson and well.
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  Speaker 2: This company is a binfire, so it's appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: And in amongst the binfire there's an acknowledgment of country. Now.
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  Speaker 3: The chairman, Hamish McLellan, who lives in Sydney's Eastern suburbs,
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  Speaker 3: has acknowledged the traditional landholders and the leaders past president
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  Speaker 3: and the urging of the Gatigel people of the year
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  Speaker 3: or a nation now. He got the nation right, people
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  Speaker 3: wrong And I'm sitting there going. Is anyone else, has
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  Speaker 3: anyone else picked up? What's he talking about?
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  Speaker 1: We're not in Gadigel and this is the North Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: this is North Sydney right where people should be the
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  Speaker 1: chemeraical people.
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  Speaker 3: Well exactly and don't looking around and.
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  Speaker 2: I know that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well no one else in the room and everyone
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  Speaker 3: else is just know And so I think that shows
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  Speaker 3: even in an environment where he is the chair of
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  Speaker 3: a number of companies on a number of boards, should
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  Speaker 3: be well versed in, it shows you how tokenistic it is,
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  Speaker 3: and the fact that people are just switching off and
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  Speaker 3: when some of these things are said and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: at which point is it just a prefunctory mode of
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  Speaker 3: words that he is meaningless if you're not even bothering
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  Speaker 3: to get the actual people correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shame because those welcomes or acknowledgments can
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  Speaker 1: be incredibly moving and powerful when it is someone from
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  Speaker 1: the local people who would not get it wrong. Someone
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  Speaker 1: from the cameraical people could have come and done a
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  Speaker 1: proper welcome. I would say that you're often you here
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  Speaker 1: really impressive stories about family and connection and land, and it.
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  Speaker 2: Can be great.
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  Speaker 1: It is I think you're right tokenistic when it's white
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  Speaker 1: blokes in suits doing it for a room full of
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  Speaker 1: white people as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and getting the details wrong. Luck you. I've been
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  Speaker 3: to obviously the footy. I love it when big game
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  Speaker 3: and they do welcome to country. Great acknowledgment. I've always
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  Speaker 3: loved how New Zealand embraced their traditional heritage. When it's
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  Speaker 3: done properly in the right circumstances. Great. Yeah, when it's
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  Speaker 3: a white fella talking about you know, some people, they're
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  Speaker 3: not even bothered to get the name right. You just go,
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  Speaker 3: why bother doing it? If you're not going to pay
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  Speaker 3: attention to the details, why bother?
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, they do have a lot on their
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  Speaker 2: minds now the day another drama.
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  Speaker 3: There's been a shock twist in the Kyle and Jackie osagat.
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  Speaker 1: The tables have now turned, with the star duo being
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  Speaker 1: counter sued by their own radio network. The company is doomed,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it They need? If they're going to settle these
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  Speaker 1: Cohen Jackie O matters out of court, which you think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have to do, it's going to cost
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  Speaker 1: them well over one hundred and sixty million dollars. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have that kind of amount of money sitting in
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  Speaker 1: the bank, and they can't make that money if they
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  Speaker 1: don't have Colin Jackie on earning the revenue.
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  Speaker 3: Well, one of the activist investors, I call him an
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  Speaker 3: activist investor. I'm sure he doesn't go by that name himself,
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  Speaker 3: David Kingston, who spoke a lot at the AGM. He's
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  Speaker 3: from k Capitol, and he really put it to the board.
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  Speaker 3: He was saying, even at a conservative estimate, to settle
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  Speaker 3: these claims would be forty million dollars together in the
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  Speaker 3: best case scenario to pay this issue to go away.
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  Speaker 3: And when you're talking about a company that already owes
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  Speaker 3: sixty two million, another forty million on top of that
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  Speaker 3: in debt. They're suggesting the board, through the chief executive,
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  Speaker 3: Michael Stevenson, without Kyle and Jackie ol in the books,
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  Speaker 3: we can make more money because the advertisers that were
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  Speaker 3: worried about brand safety will come back. And they're suggesting
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  Speaker 3: that there's about twenty six million dollars worth of lost
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  Speaker 3: revenue because people didn't want to advertise on Kyle and JACKIEO.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not convinced that it's critically linked to them. It
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  Speaker 3: might have just been a good nice Plightwave going, oh
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  Speaker 3: we don't like your content. I'm not sure if Kyle
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  Speaker 3: was the doom and gloom factor that they think, and
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  Speaker 3: if they reckon that, there's going to be a host
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  Speaker 3: of advertisers wanting to sign up in a post Kyle
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  Speaker 3: sant Lands World proved me wrong. But I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a novel business strategy to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry, guys, we've offloaded our greatest money making assets
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  Speaker 1: and now they're accusing us of being terrible people.
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  Speaker 2: So happy days, come and invest with us.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, Kyle was really entertaining, brought in the listeners.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to do something different. We're going to go
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  Speaker 3: with boring. Forget vanilla. We're going to go unflavored and
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  Speaker 3: see if that works for you. You know. So what
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  Speaker 3: we'll do is get rid of all interesting. Do you
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  Speaker 3: want to advertise with us now that we're boring and look,
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  Speaker 3: it's a novel approach, rarely tried, but it could be
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  Speaker 3: the way of the future.
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  Speaker 1: The newest media company in the country is Tapped Tap Now.
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  Speaker 1: Last week you made a bit of fun of this
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  Speaker 1: name because people in various parts of Australia use the
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  Speaker 1: word tap to mean crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, tapped in the head.
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  Speaker 2: What is tapped Media?
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  Speaker 3: Well, tapped Media. They insist that it is not a
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  Speaker 3: beer related pun, even though they've just been bought by
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  Speaker 3: a family of billionaire publicans. Nine has sold its radio network,
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  Speaker 3: including four BC, to pub baron Arthur Laundy. It used
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  Speaker 3: to be nine Radio. They owned two GB three W
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  Speaker 3: four BC or I like to call it four basket
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  Speaker 3: Case in Brisbane and six pr over in Perth. Even
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  Speaker 3: though I think they've even forgotten they owned it by
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  Speaker 3: the amount of care and attention they put into it.
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  Speaker 3: And they've rebuilt their website and they've rebranded as Tapped
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  Speaker 3: Media under their billionaire pub baron owner Arthur Laundy and
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  Speaker 3: his family, and they've just relaunched their website. One of
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  Speaker 3: the things they've got is, Hey, advertised with us you
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  Speaker 3: can apply for credit and it's a great idea. It's
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  Speaker 3: gone back to how Macquarie Media used to do it. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: we believe in our products so much. Apply for credit.
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  Speaker 3: Will do the ad for you. Advertise, we're so confident
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  Speaker 3: that you'll get five hundred people in it. You use
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  Speaker 3: car sail over four days, that you'll make so much
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  Speaker 3: money that you can pay for it afterwards. And it's
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  Speaker 3: quite a convincing argument. Only problem is when you click
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  Speaker 3: to go apply for credit with tap Media brings you
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  Speaker 3: into the forms that Tapped Media are filled out for
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  Speaker 3: advertising credit with nine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Worse than that is it's filled out with the senior
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  Speaker 3: legal counsel for nine, Rachel Lawnderes. It's her details, it's
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  Speaker 3: her name, it's a date of birth, it's a home
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  Speaker 3: address and all these details. And you're like, I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to apply and you're getting prompts to log in with
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  Speaker 3: all her personal details, to log in and to apply
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  Speaker 3: for credit in tapped Media's name for nine. Are they
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  Speaker 3: tapped in the head all signs pointing to yes.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Jackson is The Australian's Media Diary editor. You can
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  Speaker 1: read all the latest right now at the Australian dot
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