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Taylor Acorn · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: What happens when things that made you feel like an outsider become the very things that connect you with the world?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor Acorn has spent nearly a decade turning personal struggles into powerful, relatable music.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: From building her career independently to her latest release, poster child, the deluxe version.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: She's proving that growing up doesn't mean having everything figured out.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor, how the heck are you?
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_06: I'm so good.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_06: How are you?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for joining me.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: No, thank you for having me.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: This is so exciting.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you've talked a lot about feeling like an outsider growing up and not necessarily fitting into the mold that people expected you to fit in.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: When you look back at the younger version of yourself, what do you think would she would be the most surprised to learn about the person you become?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the fact, you know, I think the biggest thing that she would be surprised about is that I've stuck to this as long as I have.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_04: Because I think, you know, as a young kid, like growing up, obviously, like you have you have a lot of hobbies, you have a lot of things that come and go.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_04: And music has always been something that's been so like prevalent in my life.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_04: And um, it's just crazy to see how far it's come.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that it's really been something that the universe has put on to me.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm just, I think she would be like mostly excited about that, and the fact that like, you know, all of the bands that I've been able to tour with were bands that I grew up listening to and such a fan of.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_04: And so um I think she would be just really proud and just just mostly excited about that fact of like, hey, you know, you might not have it all figured out right now, but it's going to happen eventually, um, somewhat.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_04: But, you know, uh, it's not gonna be perfect, but um, it it definitely has been an amazing ride, and I'm just like so I think she'd be really excited about that.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: When you think about the course of a decade, and you can think about this from two sides.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's the personal aspect, and then there's the evolution of what the music industry was 10 years ago versus what it's become now.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: What is the most dynamic change that you've observed on both sides of that fence?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I feel like so many people nowadays, the way that they can see music is based off of if they really like the person, like genuinely.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that that's been something that's really cool is that, you know, with the way that the music industry has shifted and the sense of social media, and I know that there's like a lot of negative connotation when it comes to social media, you know, obviously when you're an artist, you don't really want to sign up to be an influencer, but at the same time, like there is so much power in being relatable and being genuine and having that connection with your fans or supporters, and so I think that that's been something that's been really cool and something that I've really noticed of like you see when people start sharing more of themselves, the shift that happens.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, especially for me, like growing up listening to so many bands, there's always that like mystery behind it.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, I love being able to see into people's lives and to see how I can relate to them.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think that that's been a really cool uh sh just shift into the the new age.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but like I said, you know, as artists, it is hard to put yourself out there in that way.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_04: And so I've kind of ridden both sides of the fence, right?
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_04: Where I didn't really want to start doing TikTok, but TikTok changed my life.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I I can't really say anything negative about it because it really did.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_05: It changed my life.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: So do you feel, and I've brought this up on a few episodes recently, that with the social media aspect and it being such an essential part of like creating any kind of artwork these days, do you feel that there's a little bit of a tug of war between longevity and virality and kind of with the authenticity piece being the key indicator on which side wins?
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_04: For sure.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like we see it all the time.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I feel like even from like a consumer standpoint, you know, something will catch my attention for like a couple days.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody talks about it, and then you see it completely die down, and there's always that fear.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I experience it all the time of like, oh my gosh, if I stop releasing music tomorrow and take a break, am I gonna still be able to release music a few months from now?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_04: Is it gonna be relevant?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_04: And so, yeah, no, I definitely think that there is a bit of that tug of war of the sense of like, you know, to be an artist that can continue to sell tickets for years to come, you kind of have to dig deep and kind of play the game of like, not game, because I mean you're putting yourself out there and but it is like you have to really try to connect with your fans and be a something that they can look to.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and so I just think that you just have to be more active in that nowadays, which you know is a double-edged sword because you know, when you want to focus on your art, you kind of have other things that you have to tap into, but I think that's also the beauty of being able to do this.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um and yeah, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_04: I just it is a it's a weird world that we live in now and the way that people consume music and art.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_04: And um, but it is really cool in the sense that like somebody who may have never even had the opportunity, like for instance, somebody like me who I don't come from a family that makes music, I don't come from like a family that has like money that could have like put into so this was like the thing that helped me progress and be able to continue doing what I'm doing.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_04: So for somebody who's so amazingly talented, but they don't have the resources to get out there, like it it could change their life.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: It's a we it's it's a weird, it's a weird thing.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's a weird like balance and for somebody that has spent or found a lot of success on a platform like TikTok, what have you noticed the biggest shift in its algorithm and its impact on your career over the last, I would say three years?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like I feel like TikTok has been a little bit more of a roller coaster ride the last three years than what it was in the early era.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: How do you find yourself staying consistent and being consistently successful with it?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I just try to implement a little bit of everything.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_04: Like obviously, I really want my music to be the center focus of what I do because I do think that like I have a I have a point of view and I I really believe that you know the things that I've gone through, there's people out there that are struggling with the same things.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_04: And so I want that to obviously be the the foreign face of you know what people see, but I think just trying to incorporate, you know, my band and my dog and my cats and like my family and things like that.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_04: But um I don't know.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_04: It is it's been a tough, it's a tough thing to crack, you know.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think you never really know what works and what doesn't.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, something could go massively viral that you would never even expect one day, and then the next day it won't.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just, I think I'm still honestly, I wish I had it all figured out.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I knew the all of the codes and all of the the ways.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_04: And it's so funny because I've had people obviously come to me and be like, what are you doing?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm just like, I don't know.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_04: I have no idea.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, no, I think it's just a matter of just like incorporating as much of you know my life that still keeping some to myself, but it is it is cool because it's like you kind of get to know people on a little bit deeper level, and um, I love being able to connect with my fans that way.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_04: So um still trying to figure out how it all works, but um yeah, it's been three years now of consistent work.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, well, I mean, you're a rarity, and and I I would say Jarrett Reddick from Bowling for Soup.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I just recently had him on I do too.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like honestly, I I think we could have done like a three-hour-long episode.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: By the time we hit the hour mark, I'm like, usually I try and keep this under 45 minutes, but we could keep going.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, that man is like truly like if there is one person that I I just we we toured with them, I think it was like two years ago.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we did an Australia tour with them because we played good things, and it was just like an immediate like you feel like family, you feel just and like the way that he navigates his band and the career and the fact that they've like been together from the very beginning, and he was like, you know, we weren't supposed to have success, but yet here we are, and like all of this, like it's just so cool to see that man is amazing.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's dude, that is so awesome because I I got done recording, I got done with my session with him, and I I don't remember if I was talking to a couple of my buddies or my wife, and I was just like, that dude will make you feel like you are the only person in the world in that moment that you're having a conversation with.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: You and him are both a breath of fresh air, people that have actually embraced you know social media as a means and it as a tool, and actually seem to enjoy it because I enjoy it too, despite, you know, all the divisiveness and you know the invitations for the negative comment, Terry, or what have you.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: But you guys have really embraced it.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: And do you think that that's made a difference for you as well?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_04: I think it has.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think, you know, I try to look at it as a sense of being able just to stay connected with people.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: And um it is easy.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, obviously, there are negative sides to it, right?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_04: There's two sides to every coin.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: So um, you know, I've had my fair share of hate, I've had my fair share of negativity, but at the end of the day, that's not really how I try to lead my life.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_04: And so why go into this, you know, making it feel negative when it can have such a positive outcome and has such a positive outcome in my life thus far.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: And so, um, I don't know, it's uh it's a really interesting, interesting thing.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: I think a lot of people have a hard time navigating it, but I think if they went into it being like, okay, this is a really cool tool that I can use rather than this is a thing that I have to do, um, I think that their their idea of it will change.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I think their their perception of it might be a little different as well.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: So well, yeah, you know, I I love that and and I love hearing that because that's exactly how I feel.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: But kind of going back to the 360 degrees of it all, because we've spent a few minutes talking about the marketing aspects of the modern music music business.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get kind of back into your origin story a little bit.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: You grew up with influences ranging from artists like Shania Twain to the pop pop punk and alternative side of music, and that helped shape your career.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: How did those different worlds come together in your music?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: And was there ever a point where you felt pressure to choose one identity over another for sure.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_04: When it comes to the pressure side of it, I think that, you know, I started off in the country world, and you know, when I moved to Nashville, obviously, with influence of other people and things like that, I think I was kind of just pushed organically into that world.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and you know, as like a bright-eyed, like, oh my gosh, this is all new to me.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_04: I've never experienced the music industry.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_04: I was so gung-ho about it, even though I had a lot of influence from the rock world.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: And um, for me, I think it was really just it took a lot of self-discovery and a lot of, you know, kind of realizing that no matter how far this way I go into the rock world, I'm always going to have country influence, right?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: I grew up in a very small town in Pennsylvania where people literally drove their tractors to school.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: You cannot take that out of you.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_04: As much as you wish that you could, it's it's like encrypted in me.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, I I did, I grew up listening to 90s country music.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I I love that, the storytelling of it.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like when it comes to songwriting too, which, you know, is what I love to do the most, I think, out of anything.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I just love the storytelling aspect of it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: And so trying to meld those worlds, I mean, it's really not too far off, you know, if you were to compare like a made a parade song to like, you know, a country song.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like, you know, there's so many, it's just different ways of saying the same thing, right?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and expressing the same emotions.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: And so um, I think, you know, also too, I think it was something that made me a little bit different.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: And I I did.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like I at first I felt like I needed to completely just leave all of the country stuff behind and be like, no, absolutely not.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not country.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want that.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: I want to be over here.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: But when I realized that the people over here like don't the stuff that's over here, I'm like, why not try to just meld the two of them together?
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: And um, yeah, like I said, I feel like it's kind of given me um my own little lane in a way of where I can kind of, I don't want to say do both, but like it's not so weird for me to go and play like a more folk festival and you know what I mean?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: Or go over here and play like download with like Bohemoth and stuff.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_04: So it's just I think it's it's given me a good little lane to live and to be able to create.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_04: And um I don't know.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully that answered that question.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think I just went on a tangent.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, my brain is in tour.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a we leave for tour in a week, and so I feel like my brain has turned to literal mush.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_04: So if I get on a tangent, just be like Taylor, reel it in, girl.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this is all about.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this format is all about.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Go on all the tangents you want.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm here for.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Reel it in.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of kind of leaning back to you know, our discussion about TikTok and social media.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's this is another thing I've pointed out on my show a million times, is maybe genre fluidity is a little bit more forgivable now than what it was five, 10 years ago.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: And maybe that's a silver lining to the streaming services, even though payouts aren't.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: But maybe that is, you know?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think well, it is also to touch on that, it is, but I think also with streaming, they like to see you in a genre, right?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: And so it does make it a little like everybody is kind of listening to everything now.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_04: I think so many people drive with country and they drive with rock and they drive with rap and all of these things.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, now countries like incorporating rap and these artists are all kind of going everywhere.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: So I think, you know, when it comes to the streaming platforms, like um, you know, there is difficulty there because they're always like, well, what is this?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_04: Where can we place this?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I feel like I've had trouble with that in that way.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: But, you know, at the end of the day, I kind of just look at it as like, you know, the people who are going to gravitate towards my music are gonna gravitate because they like the sound of it and because they like the message.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I can't really be hard on myself if we don't get certain playlists or we don't get certain things because I am doing this thing that like is kind of random, you know?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_04: So, um, but it is cool though to see so many people like being able to listen to so much music because I remember when I was in high school, it was so like the lines were so defined, right?
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like there would be people who are like, ah, I hate country music, I don't like it, I don't listen to it as I don't want anything to do with that, right?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_04: Or there'd be people who are like, I don't like rock or I don't like metal or I don't like this.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: But now that we've, you know, have people like Post Malone who were primarily in like the RB world coming over to country, now you have a whole fan base of people that wouldn't like it otherwise, but they really love Post Malone and they love his message and what he's doing.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: So I think it really, you know, Noah Khan.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: I think that that's been a huge shift and people, you know, it's it's the lines are become so fine, and I love that.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but it does, it does make it a little bit difficult for people like me who are like, I don't really know what what to call it.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_04: Y ye yee mo yeehaw rock.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know, but um no, it it is it's been so cool to see like I I appreciate it so much because like so many people, I love just to listen to so many different things and um yeah, I don't know.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_05: Y'all turntives is what Y alternative that's what I was trying to think of, and I was like, what Yeehaw, Yeehaw rock couldn't run.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, it it's funny.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: When I walked away from the music business, it was back in 2011, and the last band I sang in was kind of a post-hardcore band, and I I got done with that, and I'm like, you know, I spent the last year listening to like either Jay-Z or Jason Iswell.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm gonna do I'm gonna I'm gonna throw on an acoustic guitar for a couple of years and try that route.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it was so funny, and I I haven't picked it up since really, but I would have people come up to me at shows after I do an acoustic set and it'd be like alt-country stuff, and they'd be like, Why weren't you doing this the whole time?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm like, You're like, I didn't know that people liked this stuff, you know what I mean?
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Because it was so it was so defined.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like, you know, if you if you liked metal, you didn't like pop, or you didn't, you know what I mean?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's just now I think that there's just so there's so much, and there's so many amazing artists now that you can tap into and find.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, it's really cool.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_04: I love looking at like on Spotify, they have like your um suggested artists or like artists that are like you, and it's like literally not one artist in my uh in my thing is the same, and I think that that's so cool.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, they kind of live we may live under this umbrella, but everybody sounds so different and have different elements, and I don't know.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's awesome.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you've spent years building your career independently before signing with Fearless Records.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: What did those years specifically teach you about yourself?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: And how did you know you were ready to let someone else become part of something you worked so hard to build thinking about all of that?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm so grateful for those years.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: They were it was tough.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_04: It was really tough, and I think it taught me a lot about the I guess the what are the words that I'm trying to say?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, Taylor, you got this girl.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: No, I it um it really taught me how strong I I really am.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, there was a time, um, there was a lot of time actually, where you know, when I moved first moved to Nashville, I had been recording and playing music and just doing like voice memos from my phone, sending them over to a producer, and then we were making music that way.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it was something that was like so completely foreign to me.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I I got signed to a publishing company pretty early on to moving to Nashville.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: And it was a it was a country publisher.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I was the only female.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: I had never written with other people before.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I know that that's you know, there's like probably thousands of other people who have had been in the same situation, but for me, I just, you know, I felt like a fish out of water, and I think that I needed to have that experience, lose my publishing deal, and really go through the trenches to be able to be where I am now to really genuinely appreciate where I am now.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, I I had no money at all.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: I was paying actually Dan Swank, who still has been writing and producing my music for like the last 10 years.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: He's just he did all of poster child record and Stuff.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: I remember there was a time where I was making just enough money to pay him for a song.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, half of a song, really, because I would I would be like, hey, I've got 200 bucks.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: I can pay you the rest of it in like two weeks when I get my paycheck.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: Like, that's how we were putting out music.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm so grateful for that because now, you know, I can look at how far we've come and just really be like, wow, like I worked hard for that.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that there are limits that you feel that you have, right?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I feel like everybody is like, I can't do that.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: I can't do that.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: I possibly cannot fathom doing this thing.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_04: And then you do it.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: And then now looking back on everything, it's like there's been so many tours that we've done.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I reached out to Ricky, my guitarist.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_04: I met him on TikTok.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_04: He had never performed live before.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, we we got thrown into this touring world that is so completely different than any country touring or anything.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's it's grueling, it's six days a week, shows on shows on shows, and you're in a van and you're doing all like in the trenches, and then your van breaks down, and then you're banned, like you're trying to figure out all of these things.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_04: And I think I really needed that um to be able to really appreciate where I'm at.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, I think for so many years too, I I just I think I I felt very confused um in the sense of like I didn't really have any direction.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, I dropped out of college and I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, and so I think I needed that hard time and all of those years in between really figuring out myself and my sound to be able to step into this and be like, okay, this is me, I'm Taylor Acorn, this is my sound, this is what we're doing, this is the music that I'm making, and um it it has it did a lot for me.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_04: So um, yeah, I I think now it's weird because I had so much control.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think I am a control freak.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm also a Virgo.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_04: If you know anything about astrology and Virgos, we tend to really like control.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: We tend to like things organized and clean.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: And um, so having to kind of like let my hand off of the wheel a little bit and let other people in and take over was really difficult.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_04: But it's been so nice.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like Fearless has been amazing to me.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and it's been, you know, obviously a new adventure.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: There's always going to be trials and tribulations, no matter what you do.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, I think they they took me in and they really embraced me.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: And I am so grateful for that.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: I know that was kind of a weird segue because we were talking about genre and identity, and then I brought up Fearless Records, and there was a reason for that.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: With Fearless, for a long period of time, was synonymous with a certain genre of music, and that obviously, you know, they've kind of branched out quite a bit, and I think a lot of the themes of our conversation here is rooted in identity, if not anything else.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think about your album, Poster Child, and how it plays with the idea of how people see us versus who we really are.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have this conversation with my buddies all the time, and I'm like, have you ever walked up to somebody you haven't seen in five to ten years, and they're talking to you like you're the version of the person they last saw versus the person you became?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how much of your life has been spent trying to live up to an image or expectation?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: And what has it taken to become more comfortable with the person that's underneath all the layers of it?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think honestly, I still battle with it either even today.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like I struggle with imposter syndrome so much.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: I think because of where I came from, and because, you know, I've two other siblings as well that are very successful in their own rights, and I always kind of felt like I didn't really quite have direction.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it was because I was supposed to be doing this, um, I felt very much like the black sheep.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_04: And so still today, I feel like there's always that underlying element of trying to prove to people around me that like I'm I'm worthy of this and I'm worthy of you know love because of this.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_04: And that is not the way that you should ever look at it, right?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I think that that's also been something that has been really um amazing about not only being able to go on this journey and kind of learn my own way and and not really have, you know, anybody to super support me or anything like that, but like I really have been able to grow internally and I feel like you can see that in poster child versus like the other works that I've done previously.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: You see the confidence grow.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: You see, you know, me kind of figuring out my footing and who I want to be and what I want to say.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, I think that that has been just an incredi an incredible challenge that I've been able to, you know, experience.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: I struggled with it so much as a kid and just trying to find my place and to prove to people that I was I was worth something.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, when I was starting to be honest about that, I found people who are feeling the same things.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, it is so cool to have people look to me for that guidance, but at the same time, it's also crazy actively going through it and experiencing it at the same time.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: I thought about whenever we were having this conversation about that, is for people that have imposter syndrome, sometimes the thing that runs hand in hand with it is proximity bias from the people that are around them.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that can be a dangerous combination, especially when considering your own mental health and finding uh an appreciation of self whenever you're especially as a creative.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Creatives were naturally sensitive people.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, like you have that one piece OCD, one piece of uh that proximity bias where you're worried about the people you care about the most and what they think about your doing, and then the imposter syndrome of questioning whether or not you are worthy of the good things that happen to you and and or if it's really actually happening to you.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, in the song Growing Pains, you explore anxieties and insecurities that can follow us well into adulthood.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of the themes that I just talked about are things that kind of manifest themselves in the teenage years, and then they kind of progress, and sometimes they get better and sometimes they don't.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: When you were younger, what did you think that you would have figured out by now?
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: And what has surprised you about the things that haven't disappeared with age?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you kind of already said some of it.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I know I think, you know, I I come from a very small town, and I think, you know, a lot of people kind of follow the same program of growing up, going to college, you meet your lifelong partner, you have kids and a family, and you know, I think that there was always that level of like, oh my gosh, I feel so behind because of that.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, at the end of the day, I think a lot of that is realizing that it's okay to not be in that place or to not have those same goals or same ambitions or dreams.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously one day I have those goals, but I think, you know, younger me would have thought, you know, earlier on in my life, I would have, you know, had a family and all of these things.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, obviously it's not like that.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: I have my family and and my things in a different way.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I have my animals and I have my partner, Dalton, and all of it is so amazing.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_04: But um, you know, I am like in my early 30s, and that's a crazy thing to be like, wow, I have that now.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: I think that, you know, when you're young, you want to grow up so fast, and you think that you'd have everything figured out by the time that you were just able to grow up.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: But those years, those early 20s and into even like your early 30s, I feel like are so pivotal in the sense of like you just learned so much and you experience so much and you're on your own for your first time.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_04: And um I think really like in in my brain, I can only think of like what I would have thought back then.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_04: And I think it would have been definitely like you need to be like all of these people who you grew up with and graduated high school with, and you need to have the family and the house and the things and um the money.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think that that's a big thing too.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_04: Of like, I think everybody, you know, life would be so much easier if you just had this or you just had this amount of money when really it's it's about the people that you surround yourself with and the community that you build.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: And that's been a huge thing that I've learned too, that I would have, you know, assumed differently if I was a kid, you know.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_04: Again, like you just think, you know, when you're young.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: And I also I wasn't like a super popular kid either.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like I had like a handful of really great friends.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I was really into sports and stuff like that, and that was really my outlet too.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I didn't really have, you know, I also grew up in a single parent home.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like you have these ideas of things that you would want when you're in that moment, right?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: And um now looking back, I'm like, that's so silly because you would have missed out on all of these things if you would have done that.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: But it is always like, you know, so it is it is one of those things.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's like you can always assume, but sometimes it's just better to let the universe guide you where you need to, where it wants you to go.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: And things work out and things don't work out, and I feel like that's all for a good reason, you know.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: So Taylor, I gotta tell you, I'm sure you saw it in my face, but the epiphany, the epiphany of commonality came out of me there.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: And and just kind of giving you giving you a little my own backstory.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up in big cities my whole life until I got to high school.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: When I got to high school, I went from living in a big city to moving to a small town of 2,000 people and my freshman, sophomore, junior, senior years.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, where did you move?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was in Iowa.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: So like I'd lived in I'd lived in Des Moines, I'd lived in Kansas City, I'd lived in Denver, I'd lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: I moved like every two to four years.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was my dad was a professional musician, and then he got into the automotive industry, and we were kind of like military brats, so we were always the new kids in school, and then high school happened, and it was like reverse culture shock.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Not it wasn't the small town guy that yeah, it wasn't the small town guy moving to the big city, it was the absolute reverse.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: And like when I showed up in that small town, it was kind of like, who the hell is this guy?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: And why is he so weird?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: But I say all that because everything that you talked about experiencing, I experienced as well, you know, especially after getting out of high school, it was just like I saw the acceleration of everybody's else's life going one way, and I choose more of a creative artistic path.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I saw the acceleration of my life going a different direction.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing that I tell everybody, and this is where that epiphany washed over me, I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of experiences that people that might I gotta say it might have been critical of me, do not have as a result of me taking an unconventional life path.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's because that life path is what was intended for me.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and for me, uh hearing your story, it sounds like that's the life path that's been intended for you as well.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_04: For sure.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like I can't even, you know, school and and me, we were never really I appreciated it, but we were just never in harmony, you know.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_04: It was just not for me, and I knew that, but and it sucked when there were kids that made me feel like I wasn't smart or I wasn't driven because I wasn't connecting with this thing.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that also too played a huge part in the sense of like, oh well, they think that like what I want to do is silly and like not a not a con like it's just not a real thing that can happen.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I have to do this, I have to go to college, I have to experience this, which I'm also very grateful for because I met some of my best friends um on the planet there.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_04: But I it just it I just I knew that it wasn't for me.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: But again, you know, sometimes you do things and it's trial and error.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_04: And for me it wasn't error, uh, but we tried anyways.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, and there were plenty of people that probably made fun of me because uh college dropout and she's working at Texas Roadhouse and she's in her 20s.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like, but it was all for a good reason.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_04: And looking back now, I can appreciate those times because I literally was at zero and I was able to make this life happen, and it's just such a cool testament to people who are probably going through similar things or don't quite know their life path yet.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like, if you want to follow your passion, you should follow it wholeheartedly and put as much energy into it as you can because you never know what can happen.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_04: And somebody like me who, you know, any kid would have been like, yeah, she was a burnout, she was smoking weed over here and the blah, blah, blah.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like, here I am.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: And I have an amazing community of people, and I feel like it's so it's just it all of it was so worth it.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: See, I didn't lie to you before I pressed record.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: I said, by the time we're all said and done, we're gonna be new best friends.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think we would have hung out in high school for sure.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, we would have, we would have, we would have.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_06: It was so funny.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_04: I was always like, you know, I I kind of always marched to the beat of my own drum.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_04: I was a little shy, but I have a sister who is her and I are like almost two years apart, but she was one year below me.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: So she is like the she is the the yin to my yang, and she is like the very outgoing, like forward-facing.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_04: And so I really latched on to her a lot of the time.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and so I think also that like I didn't have like when I moved to Nashville, I didn't have any of that.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't have people that I could cling to to kind of help get me through tough situations.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, going through what I've been through, it's just I I I really, I really do believe that like if you are an artist, and I I try to say this like I know it's probably horrible because I am signed now, but like it is a really cool experience to be independent, at least for a little while, because you really experience the ins and outs of the industry before you get into the industry, right?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then you have more of a voice and you can stand up for yourself.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, that is a big thing that I learned too is like you gotta stand up for yourself, especially in this industry.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: And if you believe in something, you gotta believe in it with your full chest and not be one foot in, one foot out.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: And that kind of leans back into like the genre thing of like I felt like I could either do one thing or do the other.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I made the choice.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna do both.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: And we're gonna, we're gonna make it work no matter what.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, even though I'm not, you know, on Taylor Swift level artistry or whatever, uh the career that we've built and the people that I have in my life because of it, I'm just so grateful for.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that's a great commentary about connection because you've built a connection with listeners and podcasters who see their own experiences reflected in your lyrics and your story.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever had a fan share with you one of your songs and what it meant to them and realize it had become something completely different from the experience that you intended for when you wrote it?
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, so many times.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: So many times.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, I think one song in particular that really stood out to me.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know how deep you like to get on here, and it's not something that I've ever really talked about, but go so deep that I need a shovel.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so um, and I've talked to my mom about this before, and she's allowed me to speak on it.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: I won't go too into depth.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just gonna speak on my experience because I was also a part of it.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: But so um my dad passed away in 2001, and obviously, when you have a parent that's a single parent trying to navigate life, obviously, she was, you know, it's crazy to think that she was like my age, around my age now when all of this happened.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_04: And she had three kids, right?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_04: She had a son that was 14 at the time, she had me, I was eight.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and then my sister, who was she was like six, or yeah, we're like two years apart.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_04: So she was six years old.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_04: And so trying to navigate that as a single parent who just lost their life partner, you know, you're gonna have you're gonna have good times and you're gonna have bad times and you're gonna make mistakes, and you're probably not gonna have all of the answers or do things the wrong way.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: And um, my mom was in a relationship, obviously, as you do, like she's experiencing life too, and she's allowed to have relationships and be able to live that life, but she was with somebody for a very long time who was not a good person.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I'm not gonna go into detail about like some of the things that we experienced, like especially my sister and I.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_04: My brother was a little bit more removed from it because he's six years older than me.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_04: So when my sister and I were really going through the brunt of it, he was out and in college and living his own life and trying to navigate that.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: And so um, but her and I really took a lot of that.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and there was a lot of time where my sister and I were alone, we, you know, didn't really know what would happen.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't want to say that we didn't know if my mom would come home, but it was like to that level, if you can think about that.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_04: And right, um, so there's a song that I wrote from that perspective called Coma.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_04: And I was just writing it from my mom's perspective.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm very grateful that I've never been in a relationship that was physical in any way, or like obviously, I think you know, when you're young, you are you date people that you probably shouldn't.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I think, you know, mental and emotional abuse is prevalent in a lot of those relationships because you don't know what a healthy relationship is.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I think for so long I experienced that.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: And so, as much as you say you don't want that, sometimes your body naturally gravitates towards that.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_04: So that was kind of the lane that I was in.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, was never in like a physically physical relationship or anything like that.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_04: But um I I wrote it from the perspective of my mom.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_04: And then obviously, you know, having to sing that every night, there's women who have come to me who are, you know, have been in DB situations or have been in emotionally abusive relationships and things like that, or um, even men, you know, so many people have come to me, and it it was a story that I told from the perspective of my mom that I could relate to in the sense of, yeah, I was a young girl dating and going through my own struggles and relationships, but not to that extent.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_04: And so it was really crazy to see so many people coming and saying how that song was uh attributed to them leaving that relationship or that situation.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, I just think that that's something that is so amazing about music in the sense that it it has that power to be able to connect with somebody so deeply and to remind them what they deserve and that the situation that they're in is not what they deserve.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: And so for them to, you know, tell that story and and let me know that that was something that, you know, helped them through that and get out of those situations was really eye-opening to me.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, touch back on like the imposter syndrome thing.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a girl that comes from a really small town in Pennsylvania, and some of the times, you know, I felt like growing up I was maybe looked over and not really heard.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_04: And so it is crazy to have so many people come to me about a song like that in particular, and be like, this changed my life and the whole trajectory of my life, and now I'm in a healthy relationship and I have a family and all of these things, and my kids are in a better situation, and um, you know.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh hopefully people listening to that doesn't know ill will on my mom.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_04: My mom is an amazing person and she was dealt some really horrible cards and she was doing what she could do.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I again another situation where I'm I'm really happy that I lived through that because I wouldn't have the story to be able to tell and to be able to share and hopes that other people who are going through that um can get out of a uh out of the darkness and into a little bit of a lighter situation.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: So well, thank you so much for sharing that.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because uh obviously the gravity of something like that and experiencing something like that and then reliving it over and over and over through performance, like that can be a heavy weight sometime.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um now that poster child deluxe is out, you have an expanded version of a record that already represented an important chapter of your life and kind of you just shared a very deep chapter of your life.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: When you revisit this collection of songs, do you hear the person that you were when you wrote them, or do you hear the person that you've become since then, or a little bit of both?
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think a little bit of both.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_04: The songs that we wrote that we added to this album were songs that you know, once Poster Child was written, it was kind of a continuation of things that I was going through and experiences that I was having.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_04: So it is like it is, I think, a perfect meld of like who that person was writing that record and who I am now, um and things that I've experienced, you know, over the last year that this record has been out.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and so yeah, it's a little bit of both, but it is crazy.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_04: Like, um when we wrote this record, I had some of the most fun creating that I I've ever had, I think.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_04: From the days that we wrote, the time that we wrote to the collaborators and the energy that was in the room.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like I think a lot about that too.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_04: And there is a lot of, you know, obviously dark topics and you know, things that I've gone through over the years, but um, I really reflect on how incredible of a time it was creating that record.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_04: I think more so than anything else.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm so proud of this record and I'm I'm really sad that the chapter is closed now, but um, I think that with these songs, they perfectly put a nice little cap to everything that I had to say previously.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you've spent years turning your own experiences into music that helps people feel understood.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's an important quality to have, especially in this day and age with everything going on in the world.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: For someone listening right now who feels like they're behind in life, that they don't fit in, or that they should have everything figured out by now.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: What do you want them to know?
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: I want them to know that just because you feel late, it doesn't mean that you are.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_04: And slow and steady wins the race.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_04: And that is something that I've had to learn over the years, and there is so much importance of being able to have the time to chip away and build and create the house and the structure of who you are, and I think that what you have to say matters.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_04: I think that if you have a passion, chase it.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think that, you know, if you're feeling a little bit stuck right now, that's okay because you're human and all of us feel stuck and all of us go through hard times and you're not alone.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_04: And that's always the message that I want to be able to convey with my music and um the energy that I want to put out.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_04: And if you have any problems at all, I know that there's probably a song of mine that you can listen to that at least hopefully helps you through and gets you a little glimmer of hope at the end of all of this, and just continue to be strong and um don't let the negativity outside factors get you down at the end of the day.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: You have one life and you are you need to choose to live that life, and only you are in control of it.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_04: And so I would just say make the most of it while you're here.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: I have so thoroughly enjoyed getting to know you over the course of this this period of time.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we talked about our mutual friend Jarrett from Bowling for Soup.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I just had a very similar experience with you.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: My closing question that I ask every single guest that does my show, because I love their individual perspectives on it, through everything that you just shared with me, your whole experience in the business, everything that you've experienced in life, what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today through your eyes?
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: Man, I would say that nothing is that serious.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I think that at the end of the day, just continue to be yourself and be authentic, and just try to despite how much negativity there is out there, which we know that there's a lot of it, try to be light, be positive, be kind to others around you, treat people how you would want to be treated.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I genuinely feel like that in alone in itself makes your day so much better.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like you know, the energy that you put out into the world is what you get back, and it doesn't matter.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: There's gonna be people out there that are gonna be, you know, mean, and that's their own prerogative, but that doesn't have to be yours.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's ultimately what I would say is just be a good person, follow, follow yourself, stay true to yourself, and amazing things can happen for you.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Tell everybody where they can find you and your music online.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: Plug your stuff, my friend.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_04: Gosh, you can find me just about everywhere.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Instagram, Taylor Acorn Music, uh, Taylor Acorn1 on TikTok, because they for some reason wouldn't let me have my name.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what happened there.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you can find me on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, Facebook, all of the things, Taylor Acorn, Taylor Acorn Music.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: And check out Poster Child, the deluxe version right now, available on all streaming platforms.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: Taylor, thank you so much for hanging out with me.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you come back in the future.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_06: I would love to if you have me.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe next time my brain will my my brain won't be spaghetti and I'll be.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, I enjoyed the spaghetti.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it was great.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was fantastic.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you so much for doing the show.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: The world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you so much.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_06: Same to you, Mike.