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What French Can Teach Us About Human Communication | Rachel Pierre & Larry Wilson (Part 1) · How To Talk To Humans

• 0:00
  Larry Wilson: Hi, this is Larry Wilson and this is How to Talk to Humans.
• 0:04
  Larry Wilson: This is the podcast that shows you how to improve your communication skills.
• 0:10
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• 0:15
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• 0:21
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• 0:25
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  Larry Wilson: But if you're really looking to improve your communication skills, I can show you what I've learned for 40 years in show business working with the biggest celebrities and superstars in the world.
• 0:47
  Larry Wilson: And their secrets are unbelievable.
• 0:51
  Larry Wilson: What I'm going to be teaching you during the course of this podcast every week are tools that you can use to communicate toward success.
• 1:04
  Larry Wilson: Many of you uh listening are thinking, has Larry lost his mind?
• 1:18
  Larry Wilson: Well, maybe, but not because of that.
• 1:21
  Larry Wilson: It's because I have a very special guest for this episode who uh is very involved with learning French and speaking French and using French in a way that uh can really give you enormous advantage in business.
• 1:42
  Larry Wilson: Yes.
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  Larry Wilson: I'll just tell you a little bit about her.
• 1:45
  Larry Wilson: I'm sure she'll tell you more about her and fill you in.
• 1:48
  Larry Wilson: But uh she now I don't know where she grew up, but I'm guessing in France, she did not speak English until she was 18 years old.
• 1:59
  Larry Wilson: And to my astonishment, of course, her English is flawless, it is perfect, and that's already an amazing achievement because I think English is the hardest language to learn.
• 2:12
  Larry Wilson: That's my personal feeling.
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  Larry Wilson: And it's really my only language that I speak, but I consider myself still a student of it, working all the time.
• 2:21
  Larry Wilson: She, I believe she speaks four languages.
• 2:25
  Larry Wilson: Yes, and she has an incredible program that she'll tell you about, and we'll go into a lot of different things here because I find it so interesting.
• 2:35
  Larry Wilson: And because, you know, in Wilson Method, I frequently am talking about semiotic information, that is uh information that is not spoken.
• 2:47
  Larry Wilson: It has to do with our facial affect, it has to do with body language, with breathing, with many cultural elements.
• 2:56
  Larry Wilson: And this seems like an incredible opportunity to dig into this woman's brain and find out more about this in terms of other languages.
• 3:04
  Larry Wilson: Thanks for joining me.
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  Larry Wilson: Because as difficult as it may be for some of you to believe, there are many humans on this planet who speak things besides English.
• 3:12
  Larry Wilson: There was so much I wanted to show you.
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  Larry Wilson: Uh I'm delighted to introduce the founder of the Harley Method.
• 3:20
  Larry Wilson: Uh I was gonna say Mademoiselle, is that correct?
• 3:25
  Rachel Pierre: Yes, it is correct.
• 3:26
  Larry Wilson: Mademoiselle Rachel Pierre.
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  Larry Wilson: How nice to meet you.
• 3:32
  Rachel Pierre: Very nice to meet you, Larry.
• 3:33
  Rachel Pierre: Thank you for this wonderful introduction.
• 3:36
  Rachel Pierre: I'm so excited to be here as well and have fun chatting about this topic with you and your audience.
• 3:43
  Larry Wilson: Well, I'm so excited because uh, as a sidebar here, people may not realize, but I'm inundated all the time.
• 3:51
  Larry Wilson: Uh, I was telling uh Rachel just before we began that uh Buzz Sprout, who hosts this podcast, sent me a notification saying, Oh, uh congratulations on your 25,000th download.
• 4:05
  Larry Wilson: And I thought, I wonder if that's just some crazy person who's downloaded it 25,000 times.
• 4:12
  Larry Wilson: I thought, no, it's more likely it's it's a lot of people.
• 4:16
  Larry Wilson: So I thought, and then I looked at some of the stats and I saw there's people all over the world who are listening to this podcast.
• 4:24
  Larry Wilson: So I'm inundated with requests from people who would like to be on the podcast.
• 4:30
  Larry Wilson: I would love to accommodate everyone, but many of them uh it's not a good fit, it's not necessarily a good match.
• 4:37
  Larry Wilson: Um, and when I received this inquiry from Rachel, I immediately was fascinated by this because I thought, oh, this is so interesting.
• 4:47
  Larry Wilson: And of course, I jumped on her website, which I just want to point out.
• 4:53
  Larry Wilson: For those of you who are particularly interested, her website is parlay, spelled in French, P-A-R-L-E-Z method.
• 5:04
  Larry Wilson: Parlaymethod.com.
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  Larry Wilson: And it may be the most beautiful website I've ever seen.
• 5:12
  Larry Wilson: Oh, thank you so much.
• 5:14
  Larry Wilson: Well, I have no dog in this fight.
• 5:17
  Larry Wilson: I'm just very keenly attuned to all this semiotic information.
• 5:25
  Larry Wilson: I mean, uh I'm not surprised thinking about it, but I am pleased to see that Rachel exceeded my expectations.
• 5:34
  Larry Wilson: If you go to her website, I don't care whether you speak French or want to speak French.
• 5:40
  Larry Wilson: I don't care.
• 5:42
  Larry Wilson: If you're interested in communicating at a higher level to improve business, yes, I want you to visit Rachel's website as soon as you're done with this podcast.
• 5:56
  Larry Wilson: The landing page, the splash page, there's so much unspoken information that comes across.
• 6:05
  Larry Wilson: Now, I don't know if this was your doing, Rachel.
• 6:08
  Larry Wilson: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
• 6:09
  Larry Wilson: Well, did you hire a somebody who designed this or are you a teacher?
• 6:14
  Rachel Pierre: I did it all myself from scratch.
• 6:16
  Rachel Pierre: But because I have I do have a computer engineering background.
• 6:22
  Rachel Pierre: I I used to actually code games from scratch, so I just leveraged that experience to build my own website.
• 6:27
  Rachel Pierre: Yeah.
• 6:29
  Larry Wilson: Well, I I don't know what to tell you, Rachel.
• 6:32
  Larry Wilson: It's unbelievable.
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  Larry Wilson: Rachel's website, the splash page, is filled with semiotic information that comes straight out at you in less than a second, in a fraction of a second, you are told what her expertise is, what she can do for you, who this is for.
• 6:55
  Larry Wilson: If if you see that image and you don't recognize the Eiffel Tower, or you don't know what a croissant is, um or you don't know what the Wall Street Journal is, it may not be a good fit.
• 7:10
  Larry Wilson: It may not be right, right?
• 7:12
  Larry Wilson: But it's um but I'm getting ahead of myself.
• 7:15
  Larry Wilson: I'm getting ahead of myself.
• 7:16
  Larry Wilson: I'm so excited for so many reasons.
• 7:19
  Larry Wilson: Uh you can tell obviously that I'm particularly interested in Wilson method in this semiotic information.
• 7:28
  Larry Wilson: And uh the most obvious question uh obviously to ask you is about uh things that are different between French and English.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 7:40
  Larry Wilson: Um I'll give you an example if I can.
• 7:45
  Larry Wilson: Uh I met some people from uh India, and somehow at some point we were talking about what I do and what I and they were saying, you know, in in India, sometimes uh when you meet someone who's a stranger or in something, they wag their head like this.
• 8:06
  Larry Wilson: And that's somehow it's a cultural thing that signifies I'm friendly and I'm not a threat to you.
• 8:16
  Larry Wilson: Right.
• 8:17
  Larry Wilson: And I thought, wow.
• 8:18
  Larry Wilson: I said, so you mean if I met someone or I was in India and I was introduced and I did this, they said, Oh, they'd be delighted.
• 8:26
  Larry Wilson: And I thought, you know, I'm tempted just to let you run, uh, Rachel.
• 8:32
  Larry Wilson: Tell me, sorry, I uh you can see I'm all over the place because I'm excited here.
• 8:36
  Larry Wilson: Okay, tell me this.
• 8:38
  Larry Wilson: So you're born in France.
• 8:40
  Rachel Pierre: Quick correction there.
• 8:41
  Rachel Pierre: So I was actually born in Haiti.
• 8:43
  Rachel Pierre: In Haiti, so I did attend a French Catholic school in Haiti, but I grew up in Haiti and I spoke French, you know, throughout my entire childhood.
• 8:55
  Rachel Pierre: And then at 18, my dad said, okay, well, actually, he told me at 16, 17, but I never wanted to learn.
• 9:02
  Rachel Pierre: He said, Okay, you're going to the States for your for your college study, so I need you to start learning English.
• 9:07
  Rachel Pierre: And I was just wasn't interested.
• 9:09
  Rachel Pierre: I told him, Dad, the English language heavily borrows from French.
• 9:13
  Rachel Pierre: So it doesn't actually make sense for me to learn it.
• 9:16
  Rachel Pierre: Can you just send me to Friends?
• 9:17
  Rachel Pierre: And he's like, I'm not going to send my daughter somewhere.
• 9:21
  Rachel Pierre: Like, we don't have any family in France.
• 9:23
  Rachel Pierre: We did have family, but they moved to the states.
• 9:25
  Rachel Pierre: So he's like, No, that's not an option.
• 9:27
  Rachel Pierre: I'm not gonna send my young daughter to a country where we no longer have relatives.
• 9:32
  Rachel Pierre: Like, who's gonna support you?
• 9:34
  Rachel Pierre: You're going to the states, learn the language.
• 9:36
  Rachel Pierre: And um I just, for some reason, I just did it, it did just didn't make sense to me.
• 9:43
  Rachel Pierre: And I had um learned Spanish in school, and that made a lot of sense because it's a romance language like French, and so there are a lot, there's a lot of commonality, and that was very easy for me to pick up.
• 9:55
  Rachel Pierre: And so one day I come home from school, I'm excited to catch up on my soap operas, I turn on the TV, and everything's English.
• 10:04
  Rachel Pierre: And I'm like, Dad, there's something wrong with the cable.
• 10:06
  Rachel Pierre: He goes, No, there's nothing wrong with the cable.
• 10:09
  Rachel Pierre: I told you to learn English.
• 10:11
  Rachel Pierre: Now you have no choice but to watch our show in English.
• 10:16
  Larry Wilson: Wow.
• 10:17
  Larry Wilson: Wow.
• 10:18
  Rachel Pierre: Exactly.
• 10:18
  Rachel Pierre: So I had to turn on the I had to turn on the captions and I was busy reading captions, so I couldn't even watch the images on screen.
• 10:26
  Rachel Pierre: And it was so frustrating, but it was so effective because at that point I had only one year left, you know, to learn the language.
• 10:35
  Rachel Pierre: And so he totally uh shocked my brain, you know.
• 10:40
  Rachel Pierre: So my brain neurologically, neurologically went from French to English.
• 10:46
  Rachel Pierre: So all my settings be, you know, were uh English at that point, not just TV, but you know, everything.
• 10:52
  Rachel Pierre: Um and so yeah, so a year later I was in New York, you know, in college, and you know, my classmates were shocked that I had only learned the language just Jopar.
• 11:05
  Rachel Pierre: I was like, yeah, it was very, it was quite an uncomfortable process, but uh, but I survived it.
• 11:11
  Rachel Pierre: And that's how I know that the parlay method works, you know, it the 90-day parlay method work because works because I do the same with my executives who have high stakes, right?
• 11:22
  Rachel Pierre: Who uh, like, for example, prime example with the Air Canada CEO who is resigning in September.
• 11:29
  Rachel Pierre: Um, and the reason being, so there was an accident in LaGuardia Airport.
• 11:33
  Rachel Pierre: For those of uh of you who are not up to speed on that, there was an accident in LaGuardia Airport in New York.
• 11:38
  Rachel Pierre: And um either the pilot or co-pilot was uh from Quebec, Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, and you know, um, if you know the history of Quebec, you know that French is very important to them, you know.
• 11:53
  Rachel Pierre: Um, and the CEO only said two words in French, and he did a seven-minute speech in English.
• 12:02
  Rachel Pierre: Now, the nation revolted, you know, to them it it they it translated as disrespect because they they felt like this is a leader who does not represent them, who does not speak to them, who does not see them, because how could you only say two words in French?
• 12:19
  Rachel Pierre: However, when I heard him say bonjour, I understood why.
• 12:24
  Rachel Pierre: Because I could tell, okay, he's not comfortable in the language.
• 12:28
  Rachel Pierre: And perhaps he felt insecure.
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  Rachel Pierre: He didn't want to be ridiculed, perhaps.
• 12:32
  Rachel Pierre: And so he decided to just do the speech in English.
• 12:35
  Rachel Pierre: But here's the thing that leaders miss.
• 12:38
  Rachel Pierre: People would rather you make the effort and, you know, do a little joke and say, hey, listen, my French is horrible, but I'm gonna try because you are my people and I do want to speak to you, you know, in a way that resonates with you.
• 12:54
  Rachel Pierre: You know, they could have given him a couple sentences to repeat over and over before the speech, you know, because it did actually take 400 hours of French, but it it's uh no, 300 hours over the course of four years.
• 13:08
  Rachel Pierre: So when I calculated that, it's like an hour per week.
• 13:12
  Rachel Pierre: That does not work, right?
• 13:14
  Rachel Pierre: So that's again going back to my method, which starts with immersion.
• 13:18
  Rachel Pierre: You really need to immerse yourself for you to retain, you know, the new language.
• 13:22
  Rachel Pierre: And also what I do is to um tailor the instructions and the curriculum and the method to the specific individual.
• 13:32
  Rachel Pierre: Meaning, let's say, Larry, what is your daily routine?
• 13:36
  Rachel Pierre: Let's say you wake up, you you know, you brush your teeth, take a shower, go downstairs, you know, uh turn on the coffee maker.
• 13:44
  Rachel Pierre: So I have you put post-its on everything.
• 13:48
  Rachel Pierre: You if if if it's a coffee maker, I have you write a sentence in French on the coffee maker for you to practice every single morning.
• 13:56
  Rachel Pierre: And then yeah, yeah.
• 13:59
  Rachel Pierre: And so let's say then you listen to, I don't know, CNN or a news uh cable or channel, then I change that to a uh corresponding Friends News channel so that you get similar news, but in French.
• 14:16
  Rachel Pierre: And so, yes, at first it's going to be uncomfortable, but you wouldn't believe how quickly your brain catches on, right?
• 14:22
  Rachel Pierre: Like I have you change your settings, laptop settings, phone settings to English.
• 14:27
  Rachel Pierre: And if you forget, you know, something the thing that's amazing though, because there are icons on our devices, you know, like okay, this is settings in French because the icon is the same.
• 14:38
  Rachel Pierre: So it's easy to remember.
• 14:40
  Rachel Pierre: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:41
  Rachel Pierre: And so, but to go back to your question about um the difference between English and French, and I love that example that you leverage uh with India because I have a perfect example.
• 14:54
  Rachel Pierre: Okay, so you know how a lot of uh Americans come back from French and say, Oh my god, the French waiter was so rude to us.
• 15:04
  Rachel Pierre: Or so what I like to ask when I hear that, my first question is, okay, talk me through it from start to finish.
• 15:16
  Rachel Pierre: How did it start?
• 15:17
  Rachel Pierre: So you got to the restaurant, and every single time, every single time, so they walk into an establishment and they don't know the first rule.
• 15:28
  Rachel Pierre: The first rule is you say, Bonjour, you step in, first thing, bonjour.
• 15:33
  Rachel Pierre: And sometimes the hostess doesn't even wait for you.
• 15:37
  Rachel Pierre: They start with bonjour, bienvenue, you know, just like you did, Larry.
• 15:41
  Rachel Pierre: But a lot of people don't do that, they just step in and they just straight up start asking, hi, do you have a table?
• 15:46
  Rachel Pierre: Uh, do you have a table for two?
• 15:48
  Rachel Pierre: Or they don't even try to say, Bonjour, parlez-vous français.
• 15:53
  Rachel Pierre: Make an effort.
• 15:54
  Rachel Pierre: So when you just assume in another country that people speak English, and yes, of course, English has become a global language, but make an effort, you're here to experience the French culture, right?
• 16:07
  Rachel Pierre: You're here for the Parisian experience.
• 16:09
  Rachel Pierre: Well, it's start make an effort.
• 16:12
  Rachel Pierre: Bonjour, you know, parlez vous anglais.
• 16:15
  Rachel Pierre: I promise you, 99.99% you will get a yes.
• 16:21
  Rachel Pierre: But if you walk up to them and say, Do you have a table for two?
• 16:25
  Rachel Pierre: Then they're gonna look at you like, excuse me, bonjour, hello, good morning, like manners, right?
• 16:30
  Rachel Pierre: So that is a difference because I think, um, especially for New Yorkers, so I spent 20 years in New York, and it is very true that many times you walk into an establishment, you go, like, for example, you walk into a bakery on the way to work, and you're like, hi, two coffees.
• 16:47
  Rachel Pierre: So it's like, let's let's get to the point, right?
• 16:49
  Rachel Pierre: There's no bonjour, comment allez-vous, how are you?
• 16:53
  Rachel Pierre: Um, it's a different culture.
• 16:56
  Rachel Pierre: So, what I teach all my friends, even my friends, my executives, listen, if you walk into an establishment, you don't say bonjour, you've basically declared a war with with the French because it that is your ticket.
• 17:12
  Rachel Pierre: Bonjour is your passport, passport to a wonderful French experience.
• 17:17
  Rachel Pierre: So I would say that's one of the key, you know, differences uh between the two uh cultures.
• 17:22
  Rachel Pierre: Yes, yes.
• 17:23
  Larry Wilson: Well, well, Rachel, this is fantastic.
• 17:27
  Larry Wilson: You know, sometimes I meet people who I don't know here on this podcast and I interview them.
• 17:33
  Larry Wilson: And uh sometimes, like is happening here, they dovetail so well with what I teach that it kind of seems like a setup, like like this is fake, like I hired some woman who speaks French and said, I want, but it's not, I've never met you before.
• 17:55
  Larry Wilson: Correct.
• 17:55
  Larry Wilson: But what Rachel's saying here is a perfectly analogous.
• 18:01
  Larry Wilson: Um I I even go before you've even spoken, we're talking in English.
• 18:08
  Larry Wilson: I say that facial affect, that something as simple as smiling at someone, um connects with them.
• 18:18
  Larry Wilson: And and what Rachel is saying, of course, is right in line with that.
• 18:23
  Larry Wilson: That if you're in a foreign country and you say hello in their language, you already have a you've crossed a barrier already.
• 18:36
  Larry Wilson: Yes, yes, and it's so simple.
• 18:40
  Larry Wilson: Uh, you know, the only reason this is funny to me is I have a I have a son, uh, now he's he's 20 years old.
• 18:49
  Larry Wilson: But when we're when he was growing up, if I ever did that, where I would meet people who are if I tried to speak even a few words in language, he was always very embarrassed about that.
• 19:00
  Larry Wilson: He said, Don't do that.
• 19:01
  Larry Wilson: I said, I have to tell you.
• 19:03
  Larry Wilson: Yes, it may, it's not like I'm trying to represent that I can speak their language, but it's the effort you're making.
• 19:11
  Larry Wilson: Yes, yes, and this is incredible.
• 19:14
  Larry Wilson: Now, you know, I can already tell this is one of these people I could spend hours with you, and of course I'm not really supposed to, because then my producer says, Why did you wind up with a two-hour interview with this one?
• 19:28
  Larry Wilson: But but uh I want to I want to talk about a couple of things here.
• 19:33
  Larry Wilson: Yes, Rachel has uh, I think you said a 90-day course, correct?
• 19:39
  Larry Wilson: Is that right?
• 19:40
  Larry Wilson: Yes, but I also know that she has a special seven-day immersion, I think she calls it a reset.
• 19:49
  Larry Wilson: Yes, now this is it's fascinating for so many reasons.
• 19:56
  Larry Wilson: If you go to her website, parlaymethod.com, and once again, for those of you who are not French speakers, Parlay is P-A-R-L-E-Z.com.
• 20:14
  Larry Wilson: Uh, not only will you learn so much just from seeing that gorgeous website, but there's a lot of the information is laid out so well.
• 20:24
  Larry Wilson: I don't know who you are, Rachel Pierre, or where you came from, but your communication is at a stratospheric level.
• 20:34
  Larry Wilson: I mean, it's and and we're talking in English.
• 20:38
  Larry Wilson: I I I sometimes I know people who speak multiple languages.
• 20:44
  Larry Wilson: I have a very good friend from Tokyo.
• 20:47
  Larry Wilson: He's uh a world champion magician, he's won multiple gold medals, and when he first came to the United States, he did not speak a word of English, and yet he won a gold medal from the Academy of Magical Arts as close-up magician of the year.
• 21:08
  Larry Wilson: And I thought, oh my god, how charming must this guy be?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Larry Wilson: Just get over that language barrier enough to win a gold medal.
• 21:20
  Larry Wilson: And uh, for those of you who uh um I didn't mention his name is Shute Ogawa, and Shute is extraordinary.
• 21:29
  Larry Wilson: And now Shute's English is incredible.
• 21:32
  Larry Wilson: You know, sometimes I get so involved that time just slips away.
• 21:38
  Larry Wilson: There's so much here I want to share with you, but I don't want to take up more of your life.
• 21:44
  Larry Wilson: So we're gonna continue the second part of this next week, and it only gets better.
• 21:52
  Larry Wilson: This has been Larry Wilson.
• 21:54
  Larry Wilson: I want to thank you for spending this time with me, and I hope you found this information useful.
• 22:01
  Larry Wilson: If you're looking for more, you can find it at thewilsonmethod.com.
• 22:06
  Larry Wilson: There's a ton of stuff there.
• 22:08
  Larry Wilson: That if you want, you can even speak to me because I'm human.
• 22:14
  Larry Wilson: Send me an email at info at wilsonmethod.com because I read every single one.
• 22:23
  Larry Wilson: I hope that you'll join us next week in this continuing journey.
• 22:29
  Larry Wilson: And you'll be with me for the next episode of How to Talk to Humans.