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Cindi Lincoln Evil Exposed by Kent Hovind and Sandra Hovind | Star Witness Flips · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Inhale. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, my
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name is Brett Keen from God TV radio.
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I hope you're all having a blessed day out there.
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I hope you all had a great Christmas and also in New Year's
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23 is going to be nice, folks. Looks like we've got some people
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down below. Let's see what we got going on
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here. We've got the ghost, man.
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We've got Joanna, and the Proverbs guy also known as
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Stephen Lauren. Because he gets a strike every
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time. I'm right.
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Steve. I'll be honest with you.
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Brett, I'm probably the worst bowler you've ever bowled with.
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Oh no, it's horrible news. Well, my life, my wife will love
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the bowling with you. Didn't she likes to win as long
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as somebody's winning in the bowling game.
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I play. Sounds good.
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So we've got Juliana here and I've been talking to Joanna,
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back and forth and email. Apparently she's got some
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interesting stuff to talk about. Let's put her up on the main
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screen Joey and I want you tell me a little bit about yourself.
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Tell the audience a little bit about you about, basically your
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your Christianity, what you do, what your hobbies are, that kind
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of stuff, which favorite soup, you know, go ahead.
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Unfortunately, at that mute your mic blow.
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Gotta Click the microphone button at the bottom.
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There. It's a little catchy.
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Hopefully, you guys went into your settings and adjusted that
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see when you want to give Joanna.
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Some instructions. Can you hear me now?
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Yay, awesome. Awesome.
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Well, Joanna, tell us a little bit about yourself.
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I've been doing missions for years, just just whatever I can
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do, I like, I recently, I'm taking baby steps to the YouTube
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Creator, trying to put different things together to show people
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that they're not alone and that that God cares about them.
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I used to be an atheist years ago and God showed Showed me
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that not everybody's a religious hypocrite and hurtful but that
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there are people that are for real out there and that God does
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really care. Well, I always like to hear the
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testimony, why people got into what they got into and how they
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got out and went into something else.
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Why were you a former atheist for?
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Because I was sexually molested as a child and by a person that
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was in the ministry. And so I was very withdrawn and
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hurt and felt like, well, if that's an example of
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Christianity, and God didn't protect me.
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Then who needs them? What ended up being the spark
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that got you out of it? Um, well, it talks about some
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save with compassion and some with fear.
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I have been in 15 tornadoes 56, earthquakes, almost tidal, wave,
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volcanic eruption less than a quarter of a mile away from me.
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That scared the ever living, hell out of me.
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And I know that God is amazing. I've seen him do so much for my
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My family and my friends that and just even little little tiny
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things that there's absolutely no way he that God cannot exist.
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Can I share a very small simple story with you.
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That's true. Sure, sure.
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And then I'd like Steven to describe how he met you and
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what's that been like, go ahead. Okay.
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I was working for the Department of Education at Mountain View
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Elementary on the big island of Hawaii where my Kelly also
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helped set up a small family business, helping people out on
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Yelp. And I was walking to work
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because my vehicle was broken and I couldn't afford to fix it.
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And I have this feeling and you know, where we're functional
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shoes, you're walking on lava rock.
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Maybe there's going to be some mud puddles because it rained
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this morning, but I wanted to wear my really nice sandals that
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were leather and they look too good on me.
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My pride got in. And I didn't listen to The Still
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small voice of God and God knew that I wouldn't, and God had
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already prepared by his power and his grace, a safety net to,
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to make me the rest of my day and and, and my workday be okay.
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But in the middle of walking there, when I was probably about
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a mile away from Mountain View, Elementary School, I stepped in
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a, I had stepped in a puddle and The sun shining down in Hawaii.
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Had made my leather on the samples brittle and cracked and
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broke and I thought oh I literally thought, you know, oh
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I was so stupid, I should have wore the other shoes.
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Now I'm going to have to walk home Barefoot and 11 foot on the
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lava rocks and a, how am I going to get a shoe?
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I have to get to work on time. And I saw this little car on on
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my left and this lady waving at me.
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Like this and I thought, okay, well maybe she needs help or
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something and I said, do you need help?
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And she said, no, I'm waiting for you and I thought, oh, wow,
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she must be a weirdo or something.
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You know, I better watch out and she said, Jesus told me this
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morning to take these shoes out of my closet, and that there was
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going to be a lady, that would break her shoe, and she would
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need these shoes. Now, you know how hard it is to
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walk around all day at some shoe store and, you know, try to find
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some shoes out, fit you comfortably.
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But I put those shoes on and they fit me without socks just
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perfectly. They were they were, I think
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they were Sketchers if that's the correct name.
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For the tennis shoes that are walking shoes and she said, I
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hope you don't mind. I have rainbow colored laces and
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the kids, just love them and I loved him and I was so thankful.
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Now there's no way I could have psychically sent her a message
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to go get up two hours before I knew that it was even going to
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happen and get everything set and dry.
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I've over there and wait for some idiot to have brake broken
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her shoe. So it's simple little things.
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Sometimes, not great big Miracles that God does for us
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that to show that he's there. Well, I know some people out
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there might perceive that a small but a woman having to walk
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for a long long period of time through a hot Road and weather
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and all that without actual shoes, that can become a big
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problem real quick. So yeah, I see that is 10 miles
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to to work in back on the lava while the highway gets very very
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hot. Boobs, goodness gracious.
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So Stephen, how did you end up meeting Joanna?
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And then joy, and I'd like you to tell me a little bit about
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YouTube channels and some of the content you make Steven, are you
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live? You didn't get raptured up on
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me, did you? No, I'm very sorry.
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So Kent hovind's Tech man. Just wrote me and asked me for
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the links. Oh, I'm currently sending it to
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him. So, dr.
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Kent hovind, can join us, I do apologize.
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Just give me one more second, guys, and ma'am.
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All right, fair enough, fair enough.
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Dad to hear The Tech Guys. All right?
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So Joanna, how did you end up meeting Steve?
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And how did that work out? And tell us a little bit about
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your videos. And by the way, I am happy, that
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you came in and I'm very interested in hearing about your
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story. Thank you, and I'm glad to hear
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that you're not the big bad Boogeyman that Cindy was telling
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me that you were the horrible ogre.
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And Stephen Bolin isn't either. And I'm not so.
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Sometimes the things that people say about you kind of show their
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their character, especially when Stephen helped her, and I helped
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her and we both believed her and at one time you believed her,
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but there was just too many holes in her story, and too many
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attacks on my personal character.
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That if you're really someone's friend and you're trying to help
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them, you just only swine trampled.
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The pearls Under Foot and turn again, and Rend you not a true
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Christian woman, that makes me feel sad because I've always
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said encouraging words about the woman.
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I remember seeing her whenever she was talking about
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creationism, back whenever she was with Kent and I told her
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that she should probably stop making videos obsessing over
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Kent and get back to what she was good at that.
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A lot of people would admire and respect and she's bringing
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people to Jesus but she said, no, no, no.
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You know I want to destroy this man's Ministry and I said, hey
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mister mr. Keane.
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Yeah, what's up there? Steven?
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Very sorry to interrupt but can his standing by and the link
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that I sent them there not for some reason, able to open.
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Could you possibly just email them a direct link for this at
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the wackiest year? Oh there we go.
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Yep. That's it in his face though.
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Okay. All right.
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Sorry guys, I thought I could feel it.
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Joanna was just telling me a sad story.
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She said that a Cindy said, I'm an ogre, isn't that one of the
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things that look kind of like a mutant or something off the
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Fallout yes track. And that's and that's a sad.
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Can't, because you and I we both said that is Cindy would stop
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obsessing over you and making all these silly videos and being
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so nasty and just got back to her, creationism, the videos.
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She could really bring a lot of people to God, but she just has
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no interest in doing the right thing anymore.
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Brother. I it's sad because she did such
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a good job on giving tours and doing things for the Lord.
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I put together a couple slides here.
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Let's see about this whole thing and we get called up here
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because I don't ever watch her a channel.
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But when she started, nobody else does either.
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It's so sad. It's here we go.
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But by the, yeah, I'm glad to see you both well.
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Thank you, thank you. All right, we got to move the
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screen. You come over here, mrs.
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Over there we go. Okay.
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All right, we got one man, show. Randy.
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Running the camera and the switchboard and therefore miles
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apart. There we go, okay.
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Cindy did great work giving tours of Dal.
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She's great at teaching creation, but she's basically
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destroyed her Ministry opportunities at least for the
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time being. No one listens to her.
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She'll do a show and have listened, 95 views, 119 views.
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She does Great Stuff on birds, teach us life lesson, the great,
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but nobody's listening. Once you put your my name in
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there, she gets a thousand views and 4,000 views and twenty eight
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hundred views. This is what they call in
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Australia, the tall poppy syndrome.
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Describes the social phenomena, which people are genuine.
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Merit are resented, attacked cut down or criticized, because
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their talents, our achievements Elevate them above, or
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distinguish them from their peers.
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Let's cut this one down. So, we don't look so short, the
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tall, poppy syndrome, and that's exactly what's going on here.
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Her and marks, don't eat both. Nobody listens to Mark's Tony's
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Channel until he mentions my name.
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When he blasts Kent hovind, you're not.
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Sunscreen there. Okay, okay, but when he blasts
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me, he gets all kinds of viewer. Let's see, you shall see the son
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of man, 40 views, okay, 23 views, the hours coming, he
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mentioned my name, he has 690 View and while he's riding on my
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coattails, which is sad. He's even reposting.
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Do you know that Randall? He's reposting.
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Our videos on his channel. Huh, it's advertising for us to
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see this. He get money for that if he gets
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views. Yeah, so he's still riding on
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our coattails, you coward, man. Riding on the coattails.
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Let's see. That's what they call it.
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Okay, he very gleefully. Joins up with God, haters and
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hoeven haters. The Bible's real clear about
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that. Don't be unequally yoked
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together with unbelievers. He doesn't seem to care about
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that. Okay?
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Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord.
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I just do a couple verses together real quick, don't be
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partaker of his evil. Evil deed.
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So it's sad to see both Cindy and Mark went straight to the
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atheist channels and the atheist, love anything to bash
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Joven because they don't want to talk about creation and
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evolution. They don't have any answers.
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I keep asking him like in the my making Baby series.
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How did this evolve guy? They don't answer any of them.
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There is no answer. It didn't evolve.
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It was created duh. So it's sad to see both, Cindy
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and Mark. I think I'm destroyed their
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testimony and destroyed their Ministry.
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Dirty. Nobody's watching them until
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they met. Where do you think it is that
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they would do that knowing full? Well, Cindy knows full well as
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well as mr. Stony, but going to atheist
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channels, a lot of atheists have a lot of anger and animosity
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towards God and Christianity. Don't they realize that they're
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not just damaging trying to damage you but they're damaging
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themselves and the representation of the body of
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Christ by doing this. I personally think it's
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narcissism that type of behavior.
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I've written a list of narcissistic traits and I'm not
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going to speak for Mark but I know Cindy seems to have a lot
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of those traits and some of them are the flying monkeys.
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So I know it sounds silly, but a narcissist needs people to
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attack. Tack who they want to have
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attacked, and Cindy went immediately, right to the
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atheist. Knowing thousands of people
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would go attack him, and that's exactly what she wanted.
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I'm not going to speak for Mark. I don't know if he's a
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narcissist but a list of things that make you qualified for
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narcissist being a narcissist, I feel like Cindy has the majority
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of them and you ask why. And I believe with Cindy's case?
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It's because of the narcissistic.
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That behavior. Well as you're not only, I think
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not only that, can't that she seemed us definitely onto
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something there. But I think it's also history,
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onic, social disorder and antisocial disorder.
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Go ahead. Well, she was constantly
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accusing me of being a narcissist.
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I don't believe I've ever been accused of that in my life until
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she came along, but I'm a strong leader God called me to lead.
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We follow me or get out of the way.
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You know, if you don't like the way I do it, go somewhere else.
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One guy called me yesterday said can a man called me and said Can
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my husband and I come stay at dinosaur Adventure Land a couple
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homosexuals I said well you can come visit will give you the
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tour but no you can't spend the night here.
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Oh, your little that happen. No, we don't allow alcohol.
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Are we don't know how quite a few sins here.
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You want to do that. Go start your own camp and bring
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whoever you want to bring. But this is armed Camp.
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You can't stay overnight. Come visit though, I'll give you
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a tour. So, yes, I have a god called me
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to lead. I didn't ask for it.
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He'd be called me. Okay, I'll leave God.
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So, well, she's a narcissist. That's that was another point.
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A narcissist will call someone a narcissist.
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She called him a narcissist. If you go back to all the Oops,
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she was the first one to call him a narcissist.
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His family doesn't, I definitely don't the ministry.
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Doesn't his best friends do not, but yet Joanna's here, and
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Joanna can tell you that. Cindy does portray some of the
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narcissistic traits on. Even something is as evil as
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trying to separate you from your own family.
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Cindy has done that to me and I know Joanna can tell you.
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That's what she did with her. It was calling to ask you
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something, if you don't mind. Now not only have you been out
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on the road preaching, God, and you've done countless debate.
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But you've also got a place in which we construct homes and
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places for people to live a narcissistic person, doesn't put
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forth the effort to help others and any kind of way whatsoever.
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Now, if we look in contrast to Cindy and Mark, had they ever
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put together, Other a home or a place for anybody to live or
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stay or anything. Oh wait, I think I heard that
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she actually kick somebody out of a house and put them out,
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basically, to nowhere, and you actually had to come through for
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him. So where's the narcissism?
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Actually, at if we want to point the finger.
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Well, both of them want to take over this place.
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Both of them saw this. And wow, this is amazing.
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I'll take it. No go build your own.
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Okay, property across the street go by across the street, build
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your own dinosaur adventure, We've put a lot of Blood, Sweat,
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and Tears into this place. A lot of people have and God's
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blessed. So let's see.
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I have for 50. Some years now, I've been trying
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to serve the Lord, I have filled my head and my heart, and read
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God's word, and I really study hard, I want to know and speak
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the truth and people want, what's in my head?
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They I make a videotape, they say, wow, that's good
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information, I'll buy it. Nobody wants what's in their
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head. Well to with the kicking out
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people, like you said, Brett. Kent's ministry here is taking
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in homeless people, people who are living in tents, people who
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show up in in in a I mean police cars, I mean people show up,
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Kent, sometimes will even say, listen, you don't have money to
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come. I will give you money to come
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here. That is a selfless person.
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Joanna, unfortunately had to leave her home quickly out of
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fear. That's not, that's not being
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kind and nice. I think that is Is trying to get
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away from someone who is being narcissistic.
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And as you mentioned, Brett, another family who was extremely
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helpless had just a couple of days to get out in Kent's.
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Trying to help Cindy takes all the pictures of vandalism and
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Joanna can even vouch for this her place is vandalized.
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I mean, Cindy is destructive but she likes to blame it on other
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people. Well, Juliana tell the story.
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Yeah. Wait, wait, you said you had
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another issue with her though? And I want to make sure
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everybody hears us because this is really important Sandra.
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You said that Cindy actually went through your Facebook
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friend list and family and basically contacted people like
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a cyber stalker. Can you tell us a little bit
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about that and then Kent I want to hear what you have to say.
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That is a huge narcissistic trait, turning your friends and
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family against you under the name of trying to help.
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And that's exactly what Cindy did.
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She contacted hundreds of friends, friends that weren't
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even close friends. Just anyone that had any contact
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with me trying to muddy up the water trying to make my own
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children. Think really bad things of me
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and my husband that's not normal.
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I would have never contacted any person and I Well, content, tact
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family members of Cindy are trying to warn them against
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Cindy, know she contacted, I could probably say thousands of
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my Facebook friends and my own family started.
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Believing some of her own lie. And I know Joanna, has the same
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situation was Joanna. There when Cindy was going
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through Sandra's list to join the, you just been gone less
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than a week. Did you see her contact?
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All the Facebook people from Sandra?
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You got any nude or Mike? There ma'am.
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You gotta you are mutant. Goanna, you are muted.
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Hear me now. Can you hear me up?
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Yeah. Okay, she brags several times to
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me that she was doing that and she was very smug about it.
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And she did the same thing to me.
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She bragged about calling Sanders children and trying to
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yes as a disturbance in the family.
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Yes. And she showed me disturbing
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text. That she was writing to
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Sandra's, son, her teenage son, very sexual messages.
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That she was writing accusing Kent and trying to turn the son
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away from him. When he wrote to her, politely
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to stop it and that if she was writing to say something, nice,
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basically, he would talk to her, but if he had horrible things to
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say that, he said that Kent was the nicest up.
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David ever had. Wow, that is just incredible.
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Yeah, she wouldn't stop. Would you guys like to respond
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to what Joanna just said? That's true.
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My son, let me read everything. He was trying to be a you know
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turning from a boy to a man and he didn't want Mom to have to
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handle all his Affairs. But one day I just kindly said,
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listen, Cindy has contacted a lot of my friends and family.
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They text me every now and then said, Cindy just won't stop
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ahead. She text you and he let me read
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it and it was like Joanna said he would be so kind to her and
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say please don't Talk like that. Please stop.
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And she wouldn't so. Yes Joanna's.
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Correct. Well, it's evil brother.
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It just pure evil. I don't think, I don't think God
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would lead anybody to do such a thing like that.
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She should go build her own friend list.
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She's got her. Circle is shrinking.
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Really small people that listened to her and friend her
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and I said she's doing it all to herself.
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Her finances are drying up, but she did it to herself.
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I texted her shortly. After she kicked Steve out, I
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said before she had me banned from texting, I can't contact
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her now and won't believe me. I said so, It you you had seven
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hundred a month income coming in from a rental house.
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You had me paying all utilities and food here you left for no
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good reason. So not only did you lose your
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utilities and free food and you free utilities and housing here
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you lost seven hundred a month over there.
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What are you thinking? Don't blame me.
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You called your financial problems.
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You know. Alcoholic always tries to blame
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everybody else. No, no, you did it.
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Stop drinking. We got person.
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Who smokes eventually get sick. Don't blame anybody else.
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You stuck the button your mouth stomp.
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Okay. Now Joanna, your motor home is
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here. I paid 250 bucks to bring it
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over here. Okay, if somebody would like to
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buy it, we've been searching. It's an 85 Winnebago in pretty
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good shape inside is trash, but most of that can be cleaned up
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needs battery in a couple little things, but it seemed to be
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going for about four or five thousand dollar versus that
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sound about, right? The generator in it I was told
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is worth at least a couple thousand and I had put some
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improvements in it. I really don't know the extent
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to the damages if it was the electric cord or the wiring
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itself Cindy would always point out.
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Look, Joanna Kempton, is people cut your wires look, Joanna,
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they threw your batteries outside in the rain.
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Look look they did this. Look, this is broken look and I
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would go and fix. Everything.
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And then her and Nick and Julie would say, oh, oh look, they're
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doing Kempton, his people are doing the stuff and she called
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the sheriff, and his people and said, oh, they're trying to get
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me and she told Doug they're trying to her neighbor there.
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You guys were trying to get her and then they switched and said,
30:27
no Joanna, you're crazy. You're mentally ill, you did it
30:31
to yourself. You're doing all this stuff.
30:33
You're to your son and yours RV yourself and I said, what are
30:36
you Saying, why are you doing this?
30:38
Why are you calling my relatives and my friends and telling them
30:41
horrible stuff about me? And I think it was because At
30:46
first she was doing stuff on her property at Paws, Mara to my RV
30:51
and pointing it out. And at her property at the two,
30:56
six, two nine, eight property, and I in jail, Bama because, and
31:02
they said, the sheriff department said her insurance.
31:05
She's liable for the damages to my Sons and eyes RV and I said,
31:08
no I'm not going to press charges, I feel sorry for her.
31:11
I'm sorry that her and Nick and Julie are deceived by Satan and
31:15
that they're trying to destroy Ministries.
31:17
I have a very small Ministry TJ's, I am Phoenix rising, and
31:21
it's just to help people out and I'm not rich, like they're
31:26
trying to tell people, I am a professional scammer and always
31:30
on radio shows and this is my second time that I've ever been
31:35
live. I mean, I'm not and I was
31:37
scared. Thank you Joanna.
31:41
Well, for the record, I have never been on her property since
31:45
I was told not to. I have never been on either any
31:49
of her properties since I was told to stay away from her, I
31:52
stay away. Gladly, okay, none of the people
31:55
here that work in our ministry. Have gone over there.
31:58
We don't vandalize anything. We don't throw rocks on the
32:01
roof. It's her imagination or she or
32:03
Nick or Julie are doing it and then trying to blame it on me.
32:06
Yes. And Calling the sheriff
32:09
constantly. You know the sheriff's getting
32:10
sick and tired of her to, you know this.
32:13
I'll take a lie. Detector test.
32:14
I did not do any of those things.
32:16
She's accusing me of. Well it's kind of obvious when
32:18
you sit there and tell, she's telling Joanna.
32:21
Hey they're out there. They're going to do this to you.
32:23
They're going to do that to you and then it happens Joann and
32:25
became smart enough to see. Wait, she can't predict the
32:28
future. And everything she says is going
32:30
to happen. So yeah, she became art to it
32:33
and she understands Joanne also. Read with me right before
32:39
Halloween, I got a box on my, on my patio and it was filled with
32:48
old lingerie and I had no idea where it came from.
32:51
But it was addressed to me, kind of making it look like through.
32:53
It, went through the mail. But I knew it didn't because it
32:56
didn't have the little barcodes and I thought, who in the world
32:59
would have delivered me this old lingerie and I just threw it
33:03
away. Out of sight, out of mind,
33:04
completely forgot about it and then Joanna had Decency to tell
33:08
me I she wanted to confess and she said, I'm sorry, I did this
33:12
to you and Joanna. You can tell them what happened
33:15
was that Cindy wanted you to do that.
33:16
Or what was that story? Yes.
33:18
Cindy Cindy actually said she was going to have somebody to go
33:22
over and kill you. She said she's going to make
33:25
poison cookies and she want me to deliver them and I said,
33:28
Cindy stop stop, that's crazy. And then she's like, well,
33:31
you're the one that's crazy. And then she finally to get her
33:36
jollies got this. The idea in her head and I at
33:39
first thought she was going to send you guys a present Sondra
33:43
present and then later she was laughing and whooping it up,
33:45
saying that it was this box of lingerie and that every time you
33:50
saw Sandra in at you would be hurt and think about her and she
33:55
was just raging and raging and raging insanely jealous that you
33:59
guys were trying to be happy and have a new life together and I'm
34:03
very sorry that I left that on the deck on the deck.
34:07
For for Sondra very sorry. And later I was friends with
34:11
Sondra on Facebook and realized she wasn't the terrible marriage
34:17
robber. That Cindy had said there was no
34:19
marriage left. And well, I got out of this when
34:24
Cindy and I were married. I got out of the shower one time
34:26
and there's some old granny type woman's underwear there on the
34:30
sink. So I don't remember exactly.
34:33
Yeah, until she accused me. She accused me of having sex
34:36
with you and they'll blow Those being mine at first and said I
34:39
was a whore. That was horrible.
34:42
Joanna, can I ask you something? Whenever she said that she
34:45
wanted to go full on Hansel and Gretel and put poison and
34:48
cookies and all this. Did you call the police?
34:51
And let them know that she's talking about actually harming
34:55
and killing this man? No, I wasn't able to because At
34:58
first, she had given me this really weird thing.
35:01
After I believed that the vandalism that they were that
35:06
was being done was actually Only by people from Diego and she was
35:10
telling me they were trying to kill me.
35:11
And they had said terrible things about me on the internet
35:14
and all these awful things that her friends and her are saying
35:17
about me being this mentally ill street whore from Pensacola
35:21
Florida and giving my number out to people and harassing my
35:24
family and sing. I never lived in Hawaii, never
35:26
had a business. There never worked for United
35:29
Healthcare, the Department of Education and all this crazy
35:31
stuff to the point where Julie wanted Julie, John wanted To go
35:37
with me and have me. Say I did all of my RV damage
35:41
myself and that I was crazy and get crazy pay of like a
35:44
thousand, something a month and get give it to Cindy.
35:47
I'm like, no, I'm not. Not at took a whole slew of
35:51
mental test it to even get jobs with those kind of agencies.
35:56
And no, I'm not crazy, but I know who he is.
36:00
And even to say that I did the hurtful damage to my own RV is
36:04
sick. And I told, Julie when Julie
36:06
was, in my face, just Cindy was and Cindy was going to slap me.
36:10
When I said Cindy, I saw you yell and scream, and swear at
36:14
your mom, over a little bit of candy, I gave her.
36:16
That was sugar-free you don't do that.
36:18
Your mom's a wonderful lady, your whole family wants nothing
36:20
to do with you now except for your mom.
36:23
And that was only because I talked to her and I saw you.
36:27
You hit Kent. I saw you hit him and scream and
36:30
swear at him in front of your mom.
36:31
And your mom is shocked and she said you better keep your mouth
36:34
shut. Everybody will think you're
36:36
crazy, you better. Not say that in court and she
36:38
wouldn't let anybody talk to me. See me anything.
36:41
Once she got her hooks in me and got me tricked on to being on
36:44
her property. She completely isolated me.
36:48
So you actually said, if I tried to go
37:04
walking to work because I used to give her life Twenty dollars
37:08
a day to go 10 miles to take me to Dollar General and I finally
37:11
got a job her and Julie sabotage that job and then I was told if
37:15
I tried to walk to work, I just might get shot or raped and
37:19
killed. Oh, and Brett.
37:24
She had no way to get there and back.
37:27
So in order for her to even go to a police or try to reach out
37:31
not knowing if Cindy's taping her and the house phone call and
37:35
Cindy, what? And he had cameras up, Cindy had
37:38
cameras and listening devices up.
37:40
She told me and she was watching everything I was doing.
37:45
How are you going to ask Cindi to take you to the police
37:47
station to make report on Cindy? I mean, so right.
37:50
Zeke had Joanna where she wanted her.
37:54
All right, and Joanna for guys. Now, you guys got Joanna out of
37:57
the volatile scenario. Now, she's with you guys now.
38:01
So she doesn't have to worry about that.
38:03
All right, now, he went far away, I'm not with them.
38:07
Our motorhome is here and would like to sell it for her to help
38:10
her get some cash. So if somebody wants to buy a
38:12
motor home, it's called call me. If I've big Dino extension,
38:15
three and safe Delana says I'm a long ways away from you guys.
38:22
Well, can't, I would have to recommend that you probably
38:25
would want to make a video where you show off the what you guys
38:29
are trying to sell. But people see what it is and
38:32
then give them a price tag on it.
38:34
You probably have a lot of success.
38:36
If he did that, I want to. I want to make sure that they -
38:40
from the sale, the price that they kindly paid to tow it
38:44
there. Channel 10 time looking at this
38:49
bill. So my looks these days We're
38:55
going to put a slide up to show everyone that the RV.
38:59
Sure. Yeah.
39:01
It's in pretty good shape for an old RV and if somebody wants a
39:04
cheap place to live or they just want to help Joanna, out of this
39:06
mess, you know, give her the money and let her go on about
39:11
our life. We have done nothing, but help
39:13
people. Since we've been here yesterday,
39:15
I was driving back from Repton. Eight miles away down the
39:18
backcountry Road. There we go.
39:20
And it's all lady sitting in front of her.
39:24
The house is completely. We burn to the ground.
39:26
You know that road between Repton and here the shortcut.
39:29
She's sitting there in a car crying.
39:30
I stopped and said oh what happened?
39:32
She said, well, my dad was on oxygen in the back room and
39:36
house, caught fire. And we got Dad out just barely
39:39
but lost everything. So I reached in my wallet.
39:42
I can't tried to hand her 40 bucks.
39:43
You wouldn't take it. I said, well, these take 20 and
39:45
if you need a Kevin to stay in, while you're while, you're while
39:48
this is happening, please, we got open cabin.
39:50
Come to come live here will spook take care of you.
39:52
So we're we are good neighbors. We The charge, anything people
39:56
come for free has been away for seven years so it's just insane
40:00
but what it is Cindy and Mark they come, wow this place is
40:03
great, I'll take it no you won't isn't go build your own but
40:09
here's Joanna's RV inside is trashed.
40:13
Our ladies are clean that up and organize everything nothing's,
40:16
physically damaged bad. Maybe a few wiring things, that
40:18
anybody can fix, but some Venetian blinds, but if somebody
40:22
wants a motor home, Joanna, does it run, did you?
40:24
Drive it when it was running. And it was it, when it was at
40:29
Cindy's property at pause more at the RV park, it was being
40:32
constantly vandalized. So now it is, it has I never was
40:36
able to drive it. My car was also vandalized that
40:41
you had given me and I was told all the time that you and your
40:45
people have done all these things but if somebody knows how
40:49
to fix this and that it would be a very good deal for them
40:52
because I'm it's a It's a wonderful little home for me,
40:56
and my son and at one time, everything worked, except for a
41:00
didn't, it needed a starter solenoid and it, I guess, even
41:04
the batteries. I was told it worked before they
41:06
were banned alized and Cindy said, I'll take these to charge
41:09
for you and then they she didn't bring them back.
41:13
She brought this little coupon from O'Reilly saying, oh, they
41:16
weren't any good. Someone had vandalized them and
41:20
throwing them out in the rain and stuff, but that's all is my
41:24
father. As I know it needed is three
41:25
batteries and a starter solenoid.
41:27
I ask you something real quick. There and Sandra was running
41:56
through the woods, helping helping Laz, or Stephen Bowlin,
42:02
with the vandalism, and it was just terrible.
42:05
And then she would act nice to labs and nice to Steven.
42:08
She's, you know, very, two-faced very devil minded, It's amazing.
42:19
It's amazing that she can predict what's going to happen.
42:21
Somebody else, can I, can I please add something that's
42:24
quite see. Serious.
42:27
Sure if you want I just wanted to say I'm really praying for
42:32
Mark's Tony because I believe that he can be a very Dynamic
42:37
speaker. He's trying very hard to take
42:39
care of his daughter. Mackenzie and Steve Julie.
42:43
I'm Julie and Nick and Cindy have damaged him and caused him
42:47
to believe horrible things about dr.
42:50
Hovind. And I just wanted to make it
42:52
clear that I was there when I was giving.
42:57
Him because I'm trained in massage therapy as well as a CNA
43:00
therapist. I was giving him a massage and
43:04
Cindy was supposed to be home schooling.
43:07
McKenzie a little girl of marks his little girl and Cindy got
43:11
this idea to have Mackenzie go help and learn them the type of
43:16
massage and I didn't think it was appropriate for a little
43:19
girl to, you know, I mean they're innocent and I'm not
43:22
saying anything untoward was happening like Deborah sheds
43:25
light on her Channel says All things and I stuck up for dr.
43:28
Hoeven and said I was there that that didn't happen and her
43:33
source is supposedly, tell her all this gossip that isn't true,
43:37
but Mark Mark's did not know ever.
43:40
And Cindy said, don't tell Mark that it was my idea for
43:44
Mackenzie to give him a massage because Mark will kill you, and
43:49
Mark will kill me. And when Mark came over for the
43:52
court and it was when it was changed.
43:56
He was Mark Mark and Mackenzie were stranded.
44:00
Yeah, I was going to say I'm talking about a year ago and can
44:14
I chime in for just a moment and of course, So for one thing,
44:23
just to touch on what Johanna mentioned is that she, she said
44:27
that brother can't was good enough to give her a vehicle.
44:30
But then, apparently, he was also vandalizing it and that
44:34
makes absolutely no sense. But I'll just like to add
44:37
Pastor. If you would like to buy me a
44:38
new truck, you're welcome to vandalize at any time you'd
44:41
like. And the other thing is it is
44:45
anyone who's met sister Sandra? She is such an elegant lady, the
44:49
idea of her running through the woods do Vandalize.
44:52
This property in her high heels. It's just laughable.
44:55
It really is. It's impossible.
44:57
Even and Mark and Cindy, they like to pretend that they're on
45:02
this moral, High Ground trying to expose the evil Kent hovind.
45:07
But what's funny about it is we have very clear directions in
45:11
the Bible about how we're supposed to handle these things.
45:15
And one were supposed to go to the person.
45:17
We have bought within private, right?
45:19
If that doesn't work, we're supposed to go with a witness
45:21
and If that doesn't work, we go to the church.
45:23
Neither Mark, or Cindy have done that markinson D.
45:27
Have gone out into the public into the atheist communities
45:31
show me anywhere in the Bible, where that is appropriate
45:33
behavior for Christians, who are in these kinds of situations.
45:38
It's not, but they always leave that part out when they're
45:41
pretending that they're on this moral mountain of theirs.
45:45
All right, brother, thank you so much.
45:46
I have probably owned 200 cars in my lifetime.
45:50
I've never had a new car ever. I know how to fix.
45:53
Just about everything on a car. My daddy taught me.
45:55
Everything I have never vandalized any car ever in my
45:59
life. Nor would I, I know how tough it
46:01
is to fix them. Okay.
46:03
I did not vandalize anybody's car.
46:05
Certainly not Cindy's or are Joanna's.
46:08
This is just insane. I mean it is they're trying to
46:12
see there. They're doing all these things
46:14
and blaming it on me. Me hoping it's the tall.
46:16
Poppy syndrome. Let's tear him down.
46:18
Accuse him. It's right in our.
46:22
There we go. Right there.
46:23
And what's funny is I was actually going to say that
46:27
Stephen I was gonna actually say you will never ever catch me
46:31
running. It's funny that you mentioned
46:33
that Stephen. Okay, ma'am, we're not quite on
46:36
screen together here. There we go.
46:38
Okay, there we go. Okay, there you got a good
46:40
thing. All right.
46:41
Randy. Put it back up.
46:44
Okay. I have seen Cindy running
46:47
through the woods and I have seen her hopping over fences
46:50
though and screaming, like a crazy person and hiding in the
46:55
cupboards and closets and talking to herself.
47:01
I have heard that I have heard that she was screaming in the
47:04
house and somebody wanted to go check in on her and asked.
47:08
What was the wrong expecting her to be fighting with Ken?
47:12
And when they opened the door, she was in the house all by
47:14
herself. So So, yeah, I have to say, I
47:16
believe that Joanna, I heard he even had to hide the kitchen
47:20
knives from her because he was afraid.
47:23
Yeah, I had to call Kelly laszlo's wife, and while I was
47:27
gone, say, would you please go in my house?
47:29
Get any sharp object at all? The kitchen knives.
47:31
Hide them. Cindy is insane, but I never
47:34
left her. I never hit her.
47:36
I never threatened to hit her. I made a promise and I keep my
47:40
promise. She left me.
47:41
Okay, she broke the vows Bible says in The end, if an
47:46
unbelieving depart, let him depart, you're not in bondage.
47:49
I never wrote my vows with any woman.
47:52
I came home at 40 married, 42 years to my first wife virgins
47:56
on our honeymoon. Never touched another woman ever
47:58
come home after nine years of prison first night.
48:00
She says, you're sleeping in that room over there and my son
48:03
said, dad while you're in prison, I put everything in my
48:05
name and you got to pay me six hundred a month to live in that
48:07
bedroom. It's on.
48:09
I bought this house when you were nine years old, I got to do
48:11
what. Yeah, so finally after a few
48:13
months of that, He gave us his property, we moved up here so I
48:18
know I just I don't react violently.
48:20
Okay, she deserved it but I did not.
48:24
Okay, she was violent the whole time attacking me to get my
48:28
phone and she fell, and she was just screaming out of
48:30
frustration. I can't get his phone.
48:32
I can't control this, man. No, ma'am.
48:34
You cannot. Okay, can I add something?
48:36
Please dr. Hovind can I add something that
48:41
I saw that, I believe. Gives proof that she did the
48:46
damage to that was on the x-rays to herself, to blame you, and
48:50
try to get a lien against your whole Ministry because she was
48:53
obsessed with getting it. She called me several times, she
48:56
wanted that place and God wanted her to have it.
48:59
I saw her take the little Kubota or Jam or whatever it was.
49:03
I saw her take that out and I, and she asked me what I saw
49:07
because I was taking care of her mom and doing landscaping.
49:10
I was like right by the Hoban house.
49:12
I could look out the See what was going on in the yard and
49:16
then marks Tony had his camper right behind me.
49:19
And so I saw her take that little Kubota or Jim or whatever
49:23
it was out. And I thought, well, she's just,
49:26
you know, need some time to, you know, to cool off because she
49:32
had been screaming and yelling and fighting and crashing and
49:34
stuff over at your house and it was scary.
49:37
Every time I heard her do that and then I thought, well, wait a
49:42
minute, why is she acting so So weird and creepy really creepy
49:46
about just me saying that and then I thought well wait a
49:49
minute, wasn't that vehicle damaged and didn't she say that
49:53
some kid did it? And I thought well, what did she
49:55
use that? What if she crashed that to hurt
49:58
herself and blame you? So there really would be some
50:01
x-rays to deal with and I don't knowing what I've seen her.
50:05
Do I have no doubt that she would be capable of doing?
50:10
Just that I've noticed that there's Some people out there
50:15
who've been making videos where they go along with that whole
50:18
body, slam accusation. I have a video over an odyssey
50:23
wife Cindy, Lincoln aren't video and I asked her to go into
50:27
detail graphically about what actually happened.
50:31
She thinks a body slam is when you run at somebody like a
50:34
raging boar and you the person puts her hand out and they
50:37
bounce off of it. A body slam is actually, when
50:41
someone picks you up over their head, And slammed you down like
50:44
a WWE wrestler. Unfortunately Cindy Lincoln
50:48
likes to use explosive language whenever she's describing
50:52
things, but her running at Kent and him putting his hand up in
50:56
order to not be tackled and slammed.
50:58
Through a door is a lot different than the explanation
51:01
she goes. And I have that video if anybody
51:03
needs to see it. Well, Brett, as I've said many
51:06
times on reenactments of this, my right hand was holding my
51:10
phone, the entire time, my left hand had nearly been A few weeks
51:14
before that when one of the steel beams fell on it during
51:16
building constructing, the kitchen still have the scar
51:18
right there Newark. Is it for me?
51:20
Make it feel better. Okay?
51:22
And so no, I did not body slam her.
51:24
Okay. Probably any other man on the
51:26
planet would have body slammed her.
51:28
For what has she was doing? I didn't know, comment.
51:35
This chart says 310, 310 goes to the wall.
51:38
It's actually 36 inches between counter and counter.
51:40
There's no way on earth a person can body slam somebody E in a
51:43
three-foot area, that is just ludicrous.
51:47
Another thing I'd like to bring up another trait of narcissists.
51:53
Narcissist is to do love-bombing.
51:57
I'm going to open up. This can of worms, Cindy went to
52:01
DAL to do a Ministry. I believe she probably came here
52:06
for Kent personally. I think she was probably excited
52:10
that Marian. Kent we're not making it.
52:13
And the reason why I'm going to say that is because she started
52:16
love-bombing instantly. That's a trait and she wants to
52:22
say that, it was all loans. Well, let's think about this
52:24
just for one second. If I give Ken a loan for say a
52:29
van, say, listen I want a loan, he's not paying me for the loan.
52:35
Why would I go out and buy a hundred and thirty thousand
52:38
dollars worth of stuff? If he's not coming through for
52:41
the loan when you stop? Wouldn't you be smart enough to
52:44
stop after the first item? Why would you take two or three
52:48
years to finally? Come after somebody and say, hey
52:51
now you all know you owe me and make it into a loan.
52:55
So I know that's a weird way of looking at it, but just looking
52:58
back, I wouldn't be dumb enough to loan.
53:01
Somebody something not get paid for two or three years for it
53:05
and then loan keep loaning. I mean, that shows right there
53:11
that that was not alone. It was just Love-bombing.
53:14
I'm going to give gifts, I'm going to look like the good
53:17
person. I'm going to win his heart over.
53:20
I want to be you know the queen of this place and she did refer
53:23
to herself as the queen of this place many times, but I just
53:27
feel like it was more of a love-bombing and it definitely
53:30
was not a loan and for the record, I do not borrow money
53:33
for anything. No, I have had a lot.
53:36
I had a loan. When I was, I think 18 on a
53:38
Toyota paid it off very quickly and I've never borrowed money
53:41
for a car. I just don't don't do that,
53:44
right? And it was never even discussed
53:45
as being alone. Why would you?
53:47
You could go out and get your own loan?
53:48
Why would you have gone through Cindy?
53:50
She gave the ministry, a tractor, she gave a
53:53
side-by-side, she was very generous and then later and it
53:57
was gift, and she knew that was gift.
53:58
She kept trying to hook us into calling it alone.
54:00
No, no Cindy where can't do that.
54:02
We'll wait till God provides okay.
54:04
And she said, well, here, I you need a tractor.
54:06
I'll give you this tractor. Great, thank you.
54:09
And we promised Ernie. I wrote up.
54:11
Yes, we'll pay you. But it wasn't signed by the
54:15
trustee. So it wasn't valid.
54:16
I said Cindy, this is no good. We have to get the trustees to
54:18
do this because I don't control the finances.
54:21
So Ernie looked it over and said, this isn't any good rather
54:24
will give her 1,300 a month, spousal support long as she's
54:27
your spouse, and that's a good thing he did.
54:30
So, some people on the internet are saying, well, hold on, you
54:32
signed a contract that was part of the, I was headed toward that
54:35
contract and the trustees stopped it.
54:37
There knows never a contract, but if it was, it would have
54:40
been one at a time who's going to go out and buy 20 things?
54:43
All in one day, she was buying one thing at a time gifting by
54:48
another thing. Gifted, when she saw the
54:50
relationship went sour, then she wants to do alone.
54:53
It would yes ridiculous to see it any other way.
54:57
We did favorite right? That, whenever she was doing the
55:00
shows, while back, it sounded more like a donation, like she
55:04
was giving the dowel or whatever.
55:06
If I go out and I donate to a church or I donate to some kind
55:10
of Jar that's sitting in the southern 11 and One day I have a
55:14
bad day or I'm not happy. I don't get to go back and say,
55:18
give me my money. What's that all about?
55:20
It doesn't make sense. What, what version of reality is
55:23
that? Well, not only that but you guys
55:27
are missing another point that I just thought of myself, all of
55:30
those items that were listed as donations.
55:33
And I've seen the original paperwork they were listed as
55:36
donations. She claimed those donations on
55:39
her taxes. So now to try to revoke on that
55:42
and Say that it was a loan. That means she committed tax
55:46
fraud as well. So she's just digging herself
55:48
deeper and deeper and if I was her, I would quit while I was
55:51
severely behind. Also, we had a motor home that
55:59
we sold and gave her ten thousand dollars to wholesale,
56:02
price of the motor home and we had we paid her Faithfully back
56:06
fifty thousand dollars total she never mentions that right and
56:10
she doesn't mention the roof and the AC and the you All the work
56:13
we did on her houses, she buys fix up type houses and then you
56:18
have your crew and your men go and fix up the place in order
56:21
for it to be livable and they don't, you know, that's not even
56:24
counted well and Steve The Tech Guy was living in one of the
56:27
houses and he does a lot of Photography work and he had
56:30
cable stretched across to hang the film onto dry like any
56:34
place. Does it does that kind of work,
56:35
you know. So what was it?
56:37
Randy. She said he was supposed to be
56:40
for pornography or something like that, you know?
56:43
Tie up women it's for its for photography work, she's so
56:47
desperate to find anything to make it look bad and I don't
56:51
know what all she's told the sheriff.
56:52
The sheriff likes me and deputies, come out here and
56:54
shake their head. Yes, mr.
56:56
Hobart. Nick here.
56:57
Last night over something else. How?
57:00
Anyway, I wish it was all over. That wish you would just leave
57:04
me alone. I don't I think though, I don't
57:08
think she realizes what the breaking these laws of using my
57:11
SkyMiles and And and lying, and she's in trouble.
57:17
She's going to get a knock on the door.
57:19
It's all been turned over and if she or marks Tony take down the
57:23
videos they've made now. Now it's going to really look
57:26
like guilt. They better just quite I just
57:28
put a few notes together of what I think they ought to do and see
57:31
them. May I add something sure.
57:36
Go ahead, Joanna. You have to go louder than that
57:43
Joanna. We can't hear you.
57:46
I think she froze up trying to get that work and I do want to
57:51
let the audience know that and the past I had spoken to send me
57:56
privately and I had asked her, is there a compromise?
57:59
Is there a solution? Is there something that can can
58:02
say or do that will cause this aggravate from the stopped?
58:07
And she repeatedly said, no, she just wants to take over to
58:10
Ministry. She wants to take everything
58:12
from him, so she's not willing to compromise.
58:15
She's Not willing to do any kind of solution.
58:17
She just wants to attack, whether it's physical verbal,
58:21
emotional, mental, and all this, and some people would say even
58:25
spiritual. Yeah, well, both of us have
58:29
already confessed it. I'm, they've already confessed
58:32
to you to bugging my house and Steven you were in on
58:35
transcribing, the listening devices.
58:38
So you can testify to look, she did illegally bug the house and
58:42
the van. And you just can't do that.
58:44
Now, the BAM, it's against the law.
58:46
What is Laura here, Alabama? Code 13.
58:48
A Dashi 11-30 one. She broke it.
58:51
Okay. And others helped her everybody
58:53
involved in. This is in serious trouble.
58:56
If if they if they don't drop all this stuff, I guess.
59:01
I don't know. I don't think that I can stop
59:03
it. Now, it's all been turned into
59:04
the FBI. So if they take down their
59:07
Channel, they've already confessed to the crime on their
59:09
Channel, we have recordings preserved, all the evidence has
59:12
been turned over weeks ago to the proper Authority if they
59:14
take down the video of now, it's To look more incriminating.
59:17
Very best option is to repent confess.
59:19
Admit their guilt, ask for Mercy, that's why we get it from
59:22
Jesus Christ, but they broke the law and it's several of them
59:27
used in Mark, Tony and Mary knew full.
59:29
Well, they're using my SkyMiles to fly, they're using stolen
59:33
goods. So Anna's back.
59:35
I know Joanna, there y'all go ahead.
59:41
Oh, can I add something that I know of?
59:50
Looks like she's having. I don't know if you can hear me.
59:53
Yeah, we can hear you go. Now, you're muted again.
1:00:03
We cannot hear you. You are muted now.
1:00:07
Can you hear me now? Yes, hello.
1:00:09
Yes. We hear you.
1:00:16
You push the mute button again. Well, Steve you lived and work.
1:00:25
You worked with Cindy for some time, is there any hope of any
1:00:29
repentance and say I'm sorry and stop or she going to continue
1:00:32
till she ends up in jail? Or what's going to happen
1:00:36
Pastor? I've tried to mediate for you
1:00:38
guys and I've tried to mediate when I was on Cindy Lincoln
1:00:42
side. But I've also since tried to
1:00:45
mediate, since I've come over to your side.
1:00:48
And when I tried to mediate with Cindy Lincoln, I asked her what
1:00:52
she would need to feel Hole so that you guys could get this
1:00:56
mess behind you, she wouldn't feel like she was taken or duped
1:01:00
and you could get on with serving God and winning souls.
1:01:04
And she didn't want any reasonable objects.
1:01:08
If you had paid her every dollar, she believed that you
1:01:11
owed, her, that wouldn't have been good enough.
1:01:13
What she wanted you to do, was totally unreasonable.
1:01:16
She wanted you to admit to lies she wanted you to admit, to
1:01:20
things that you didn't do. She wanted you to, basically,
1:01:23
She reputation Beyond any possible repair so Cindy
1:01:28
Lincoln's, only objective at this point is to destroy
1:01:31
Ministries. She's blinded by bitterness.
1:01:34
And at this point, I don't think that there's anything you could
1:01:38
do, that would make Sunday feel whole Cindy Lincoln won't be
1:01:42
happy until she either injure Ministry or winds up in jail.
1:01:46
But unfortunately, all of the actions, the actions that Cindy
1:01:50
Lincoln has taken to try to ruin your ministry.
1:01:53
It is going to put her in jail eventually, and at this point, I
1:01:57
believe that's where she belongs, because she's not going
1:01:59
to stop and souls are being lost over this, and she deserves to
1:02:03
be punished for that. And I hate that I didn't want
1:02:08
any of this. I just want people to serve the
1:02:09
Lord. Will you but you all realize
1:02:13
that not only is what's he doing against the law, but whenever it
1:02:19
comes to YouTube or any of these social media sites and the
1:02:23
community guidelines, as well as the terms of service, it
1:02:26
specifically says for her not to be putting up private
1:02:30
information and recordings. Unless she actually asked to do
1:02:34
that, I am absolutely surprised at her Channel.
1:02:37
Hasn't had issue from YouTube itself.
1:02:40
I'm not saying me Anybody else I'm saying from YouTube?
1:02:44
It's their term to service and Community guidelines that she
1:02:47
should not be doing any of this kind of stuff.
1:02:52
Very true. Well Delta is I went I think a
1:02:56
total of four hours now on the phone with Delta and they're
1:03:00
going to they're going to push this because it's going to cost.
1:03:03
Delta, Delta gave away all my SkyMiles illegally.
1:03:07
She's in the illegal. Use all my SkyMiles.
1:03:09
Delta has to restore those. Well they're going to come after
1:03:13
her. She's got nine acres over there
1:03:15
on Highway 41. They're going to say sell it and
1:03:17
pay us. I don't know that Delta Delta
1:03:21
and the sheriff. Everybody else.
1:03:22
I didn't ask for any of this. But all those who use them are
1:03:26
also in trouble. Several people, she flew people
1:03:29
all over the place. Steve, who all did she fly?
1:03:31
Go ahead and name names. So I know that she flew one of
1:03:36
my exes down from Michigan, which was a very costly flight.
1:03:41
There was another couple that she flew down for one of the
1:03:45
trials to use against you. We know now that she flew down
1:03:49
Mary Tocco for a trial against you.
1:03:54
We know that she flew marks Tony across from Seattle Washington
1:03:59
to little. Oh, Alabama for the trial
1:04:02
against you. So, I mean, at this point, she
1:04:06
is in so much trouble on so many different fronts.
1:04:10
Even if God was merciful to her, I don't see any way possible
1:04:15
where she could ever get away with all of it.
1:04:18
She's dug too many holes to not fall into one of them.
1:04:24
Well, I out of just courtesy a couple days ago texted Mary to
1:04:29
say look you know, you might want to get ready for what's
1:04:32
coming, boy, she reacted, very negatively.
1:04:35
I could read those texts if you like I said, okay, I won't
1:04:38
bother you again. I was a kind husband to marry
1:04:41
wonderful marriage for nine months.
1:04:42
She wanted her five children to be the trustees of the ministry,
1:04:46
which is basically, we're taking over.
1:04:48
I'm sorry. It's the same thing.
1:04:50
Everybody sees this place. Wow, I'll take it.
1:04:52
No. And so, I didn't do anything
1:04:54
wrong to her. If she become on blasted me and
1:04:57
try to ruin my reputation and all this stuff.
1:04:58
So if she continues, I will read all the stories.
1:05:02
Give the holster. I don't want to pick on her
1:05:03
either. I want everybody just go serve
1:05:05
God. You had a great ministry
1:05:06
teaching about the dangers of vaccines.
1:05:08
That's what led me attracted to her metric to me to her.
1:05:11
So anyway. All right, we got to go.
1:05:16
I was going to say it's unusual that Mary Tocco started getting
1:05:19
into this, because she had made it clear to me that she Want to
1:05:24
have anything to do that with this nonsense, as she just
1:05:27
wanted to go on with your life. And she ended up eventually
1:05:31
seeing the Cindy Lincoln, kept calling, and calling, and
1:05:34
calling, and aggravate her, and all that.
1:05:36
And finally, she decided to put her two cents out there, but she
1:05:40
originally didn't want to have anything to do with it.
1:05:42
It's sad to hear that. She was basically manipulated
1:05:45
into this. Yeah, okay, well Mary said don't
1:05:50
contact me. OK, no problem, no problem.
1:05:52
Mon Ami, I don't force myself on anybody, okay?
1:05:56
I've had a long day. I just had to get up before
1:05:57
breakfast. It was terrible.
1:05:59
So anything else you need us for a brother?
1:06:02
Well, I was just going to tell people.
1:06:03
They ought to go to standing for truth Channel and check out a
1:06:07
Kent Tobin's debates. Excellent.
1:06:09
Very, very fun to watch. And also, check out wacken
1:06:13
atheists, it's always funny to see, Kent, smiling and holding
1:06:16
up, SpongeBob. And of course he's got a great
1:06:19
Channel, Kent hovind official, make sure you check that out,
1:06:22
subscribe comment, and right, Sandra when you can start making
1:06:25
some videos as well. I don't have time.
1:06:32
She's too busy, too busy. It's like haven't Unearthed over
1:06:35
there, right? I have seven children, 14,
1:06:39
grandchildren one on the way and so many friends and then being
1:06:43
wife and Camp mom and popping into you, we're making an army
1:06:49
over there. Something well gee we've been
1:06:54
married, 15 and a half months now and am I all the bad guy?
1:06:58
They're telling me, you know, be as well as anybody I tell you.
1:07:01
You for people that want to say that he's money-hungry they
1:07:05
should go nail their tongue somewhere because I've never
1:07:08
seen a more self-sacrificing thing man, ever, I've seen him
1:07:13
2:00 in the morning, in the rain, help a lady with five
1:07:18
Mexican men in the vehicle behind in the in rainy night.
1:07:23
Go out and help her. It took about a half hour I've
1:07:27
seen him help a a gentleman or elderly gentleman walking with a
1:07:33
cane down a local Highway here. We went out took them out to
1:07:38
eat, we had his car towed, brought it back here.
1:07:41
Fix his car, he was up and running the next day the stories
1:07:45
like that are never ending. I just keep seeing it over and
1:07:49
over and over. He gets a paycheck and by the
1:07:52
time he gets his next paycheck, once a month, it's already gone.
1:07:56
Kent hovind. Is not live in a Millionaire's
1:07:59
type of home, he doesn't have millions in the bank.
1:08:02
He has made Millions, people can say whatever they want.
1:08:06
He could be here, living very well off of his, the books that
1:08:10
he has authored. He he could live off of
1:08:15
millions. Just from the sales of his DVDs
1:08:18
and everything that he's done. He could live any way he
1:08:22
chooses, but he chooses, to give it away.
1:08:25
People can say whatever they want about.
1:08:27
Him. I've heard what they say that.
1:08:29
He's money hungry and all of a sudden that is a Lie from the
1:08:32
pit of Hell. I know my husband and he is, he
1:08:36
lives to serve people and that is not a trait of a narcissist,
1:08:40
but to hit that point again. But he's, he's very loving, he,
1:08:46
if we have a bad day, sometimes he'll come up and say, I know
1:08:49
something isn't right, he wants to make it right?
1:08:53
That's the best thing in a marriage.
1:08:54
Every marriage is going to have, you know, some Use.
1:08:57
But he always wants to work it out.
1:08:59
He always wants to make sure we're doing good.
1:09:01
He's very giving. I've received more roses from
1:09:04
this man. Then any other person that you
1:09:09
could imagine, I mean, he's just he's giving he's loving, he
1:09:12
cares, and for people to say anything different than that,
1:09:16
they just don't know him. I'm, I know, I really enjoyed
1:09:20
the videos that you as well. Sandra is done, where you show
1:09:24
off the environment, the nature and Feeding the animals and all
1:09:28
that, I hope that you guys do more.
1:09:29
Pause the videos like that. It's so beautiful and to see
1:09:33
people working and, you know, being on roof going.
1:09:37
Hey, how you doing? And all that?
1:09:38
It's just so awesome. I hope you guys continue to do
1:09:42
that. That type of content, so people
1:09:44
can really see how great and wonderful as they were so much
1:09:47
positive feedback about the videos.
1:09:51
Oh, well, maybe I will. All right, thank you all.
1:09:54
Come visit, dinosaur, Adventure Land and happy New Year.
1:09:58
Joanne. If you can hear me, I'm very
1:10:00
proud of you for coming forward and same with you.
1:10:02
Stephen Stephens like my Camp son.
1:10:05
Okay, thank you. All right.
1:10:09
It was nice. I love you.
1:10:18
Brett all right. Bye-bye.
1:10:23
Joanna, we're going to put you up on the screen for a little
1:10:26
bit. We got any more poisonous
1:10:29
cookies issues that we need to be concerned about.
1:10:31
I hate to hear that Kent's life on the line with me think of
1:10:34
people. Can you hear me, brother?
1:10:42
I can you can hear me. Okay.
1:10:50
A lot of people probably aren't aware that in Cindy's, will they
1:10:55
can Julie Shunk inherit everything and Julie after Cindy
1:11:00
made that well, said that she would go on in court and say
1:11:05
that she had witnessed the loan of Cindy and Ken, doctor hoeven,
1:11:12
and all this other stuff. Now, Julie, Julie is not a
1:11:18
stable person. She's a very abusive person.
1:11:21
Sometimes I've seen and heard her, I know she is was abusive
1:11:27
to a very nice former renter named Patricia an elderly woman
1:11:32
that even Cindy told me that Julie and her almost broke off
1:11:35
their friendship over Patricia, Julie, going off on Patricia
1:11:40
constantly and just interface and not not relenting no matter
1:11:44
what. Kindly said, no, I didn't say
1:11:47
that. I'm sorry that you feel that
1:11:49
way. I experienced exactly the same
1:11:51
thing with Julie. Julie, harassing my relatives
1:11:54
saying, terrible horrible. Just disgusting things that she
1:11:59
claimed that I told her that I was doing and all this other
1:12:03
stuff. I said I was very sarcastic back
1:12:07
to her afterwards. I said, oh really, there are men
1:12:11
on my rooftop dancing and talking to me on my RV roof.
1:12:15
No. There aren't Julie.
1:12:17
I said and she said, yes, they are Joe.
1:12:18
And I guess they are. You, you told me that to my
1:12:20
face? I said no Julie.
1:12:22
I didn't say that. And I did not say that Nathan
1:12:24
and I were having sex or whatever.
1:12:27
I said, he said he's like young young man about my son's age,
1:12:33
that was also a renter at Cindy's.
1:12:35
I said, why are you telling my daughter and my son-in-law that
1:12:38
I said, they said this. I said, why are you saying all
1:12:41
this awful stuff and saying, I'm mentally ill and you're going to
1:12:44
go with me and and I'm going to get crazy pay to give to Cindy
1:12:48
and stuff. I said, what are you doing?
1:12:50
And why are you insisting you and Nick?
1:12:51
That and Cindy, that I say that I down de lys my son and eyes
1:12:55
RV. That's not, I ask a question,
1:12:57
you know, I turned around and walked away from her I'm not
1:13:02
fighting with you. My said I know, And I said some
1:13:05
other sarcastic things that are I think are very funny but the
1:13:08
Christian audience might not appreciate them.
1:13:11
So I won't say what I said. I thought that her lies to wear
1:13:16
like that but they are like cat cat stuff in my litter box.
1:13:22
Johanna, can I ask you something?
1:13:26
Yeah, I was just wondering, it seems like Cindy Lincoln has
1:13:30
gone through a plethora of renters and just the last year.
1:13:35
Could you maybe go through the list of how many renters she's
1:13:39
had in the last year? And why they're not there today?
1:13:42
Because that seems to tell an interesting story to me.
1:13:47
Ryan. And Ashley Ryan is Julie's,
1:13:51
brother, and Julie's mother, supposedly, according to Cindy
1:13:55
hates Cindy, because Cindy was soaking them with the whole
1:14:00
electric bill. Like she was trying to do to me,
1:14:02
even though I just plugged my RV and in charge my cell phone and
1:14:07
you know occasionally watched a little DVD on my DVD player.
1:14:10
I wasn't even running my air conditioner even though it's 110
1:14:13
degrees. I was roasting and Can showers
1:14:17
went before my shower, got vandalized and various other
1:14:21
things, but she was soaking me with the whole bill of her, one
1:14:25
of her rental properties. And my daughter said, that's not
1:14:28
fair mom, that she's doing that. But that's just her as she did
1:14:33
lots of stuff like going to restaurants with me and then
1:14:35
saying, oh, I don't have the money, Joanna, and I would pay
1:14:38
the bill or shoplifting at Walmart, in the South check and
1:14:41
then the lady would look at us on her little device.
1:14:44
And I would think I was shit. We're going to get Get arrested.
1:14:47
So I would go. I paid like almost all my tax
1:14:49
refund, and I didn't tell my daughter, and my daughter said,
1:14:52
Mom, where's the money for your tax?
1:14:54
Refund? Why didn't you buy a car?
1:14:55
I didn't tell her that. I used that on at least three or
1:14:59
four occasions when Cindy was shoplifting compulsively and I
1:15:03
covered the bill, so we didn't get put in jail.
1:15:05
She even stoled silverware from Courthouse Cafe and the Chinese
1:15:09
restaurant. But she says Joven dr.
1:15:13
Havens the one that stealing, mr.
1:15:16
Stephen, I don't know, I don't know if my memory serves me
1:15:19
right? Because there's been so much
1:15:21
drama especially last year when we were doing the show but it's
1:15:25
Julie the one that ended up doing the sex tape.
1:15:30
Bomb. So I really don't feel
1:15:32
comfortable putting a lot of their information out there
1:15:35
because Juliette Nick, I still have some respect for and
1:15:40
they've had some troubles in their marriage but from what I'm
1:15:43
aware of they've come out stronger.
1:15:46
That is the person you're thinking of as far as the
1:15:49
electric bill goes. And this is a no relation to
1:15:52
whether or not, Cindy, was soaking you for the electric
1:15:54
bill and I really don't defend Cindy ever anymore.
1:15:58
But when I I was around Julie's brother and sister-in-law were
1:16:05
still living with Sunday and I do have to say and send his
1:16:08
defense. I know she wasn't soaking them
1:16:10
for the electric bill, that probably is what you were told.
1:16:13
But it's not true because Cindy was very meticulous about
1:16:18
leaving the electric bill on the counter and it was on the
1:16:21
counter every day. I went over there so that's just
1:16:24
like a small point but since we are kind of beating up on her
1:16:28
here tonight, I did want to give her that Little tiny bit of
1:16:30
credit and it's probably the only credits and he deserves.
1:16:34
Well, I can appreciate your integrity, in your honor and all
1:16:38
that whenever it comes to the Julie thing.
1:16:41
But Julie spent quite a bit of time on my show.
1:16:44
Just really tearing into Kent and making all kinds of
1:16:47
accusations. I do feel that it's important
1:16:51
that people understand her character.
1:16:53
This is a person who claimed to be a Christian who is married to
1:16:57
a man? Who, by the way I think is A
1:17:00
really nice kind and good person and decided to have a sexual
1:17:05
relationship interaction with another man on the property.
1:17:10
So I think it's important for people to understand the
1:17:12
character. That's all I got to say about
1:17:14
that. But I do appreciate and respect
1:17:17
where you come from Steve. And if you trying to have some
1:17:19
kind of friendship or get along and you feel the redeemable, I
1:17:23
get it, but I want people to know what type of person was
1:17:27
actually dissing and dumping on Kent.
1:17:31
Yeah, and that's fair. And again, it's your show Brett.
1:17:34
So, you know, you're you are the leader and you take these
1:17:38
conversations, wherever you, please, I Aya Bell down to that.
1:17:44
I have no I love Julie but I have no real respect for her
1:17:48
anymore because she said some very nasty things about me that
1:17:52
were untrue. But I do still have a lot of
1:17:54
respect for Nick and unfortunately, the things that
1:17:57
they went through and that time period, the things that you
1:18:01
reference, even though it's important for pointing out the
1:18:05
character of the people that Cindy is associating herself
1:18:08
with. I feel bad for Nick and I I feel
1:18:11
like I'm bringing it up and causing him more harm and out of
1:18:14
love and respect for him. I just try to avoid it.
1:18:17
If that makes sense. Brett, I have absolutely no
1:18:20
issue or problem with Nick at all.
1:18:23
I felt that he was a good kind honorable man and what happened
1:18:26
to him was absolutely horrible. That's my thoughts are neck, I
1:18:30
have no issue with that man, whatsoever.
1:18:35
Can I add something brother? You can add whatever you like
1:18:39
Joanna, this is your show. I tried to calmly, talk to Nick
1:18:45
and tell him that I did not do the at the damage to my RV, that
1:18:48
Patricia had seen some of it and that she had been as well as
1:18:52
another person named Janice inside of my RV, and saw how
1:18:56
nice it was before and I was shocked that they would even say
1:19:04
that I had to say, I did it. And that I was crazy.
1:19:09
And Nick said, Julie would never say that.
1:19:11
I said, yes, she would she insists.
1:19:14
She was in my face constantly, like she was in Patricia's.
1:19:17
Oh, no. Julie Julie said she never did
1:19:19
that. She never did that Patricia
1:19:20
Patricia. She never did that to you.
1:19:24
And I said, Nick, I'm sorry. I love to Julie and I believed
1:19:27
her too, but she turned on me like a coral snake.
1:19:32
And I said who's cheated on you and lied.
1:19:36
Who considered the source. And it wasn't just once that
1:19:40
according well, according to Cindy, Julie, cheated on him
1:19:45
many times. And, you know, I mean, I won't
1:19:47
go into that, but, I was just shocked that the people I
1:19:51
thought I cared. I mean cared about me were the
1:19:54
ones attacking my character and constantly caught calling, my
1:19:59
daughter, and my son-in-law and other friends and relatives and
1:20:03
saying. Did you know that Joanna's did
1:20:04
this and do em is a liar and Joanna, damaged.
1:20:06
Her son in hers RV and Joanna's this and then Julie said, nobody
1:20:10
cares about you. Nobody your, your relatives and
1:20:12
your family won't give you rides to work.
1:20:14
They hate you and I was in your son hates, you and doesn't want
1:20:17
nothing to do with em, like what?
1:20:19
And then I Ask my son because Nick said he doesn't want to
1:20:22
talk to you or live with you and or anything.
1:20:25
And my son said, no, I never said that, but they had
1:20:28
separated me because my son was caretaking their house for like,
1:20:31
two or three months, and I was hurt and I avoided my own son
1:20:36
thinking that, and he ended up losing his faith so that it
1:20:40
really hurt and tore me to shreds that they that all three
1:20:44
of them would go in attack. My family like that.
1:20:46
I, I have, I did not deserve it. Yeah.
1:20:50
Now, don't notice the pattern, Steven, I've noticed.
1:20:53
The pattern was Cindy, Lincoln that anyone that isn't Arne,
1:20:57
what she calls her team, or agrees with her.
1:21:00
They, all of a sudden become they, she labels, the mentally
1:21:04
ill, or crazy or stupid, or horrible and she does whatever
1:21:08
she can to discredit, or devalue a person giving these labels.
1:21:13
And it was always my belief even since I was a child that is
1:21:18
somebody Is truly mentally ill. You don't try to tear them down
1:21:22
or hurt them or cause more psychological problems.
1:21:25
If we were to say that she had any credibility or Integrity
1:21:29
whatsoever, you supposed to treat people with respect and
1:21:33
kindness and you're supposed to put an extra effort on those who
1:21:37
have disadvantages. But apparently she thinks that
1:21:40
if someone's crazy or doesn't agree with her and she should be
1:21:45
allowed to fully destroy them, as human being caught, Steven
1:21:49
hmm. Well yeah.
1:21:51
What's interesting about that Brett is everybody.
1:21:54
She's coming out saying? Oh, this person's a creep.
1:21:56
This person is a liar. This person's mentally ill.
1:22:00
These are, I want I want the, your audience to understand that
1:22:03
these are the very same people who were just recently on her
1:22:07
side and while they were on her side, they didn't suffer from
1:22:12
these mental illnesses while I was on Sunday Lincoln side,
1:22:16
helping her destroy Kent, hovind's Ministry I I wasn't a
1:22:19
liar and I wasn't this or that. It's only after you turn on
1:22:23
Cindy, Lincoln that your character suddenly does a 180
1:22:27
flip and now you're the worst person in the world so I agree
1:22:31
with you Brett and if you look at the evidence of how many of
1:22:35
Cindy's star Witnesses like myself and like Johanna, have
1:22:38
flipped on her, how many tenants she's lost in just the past
1:22:42
year. The fact that her daughter comes
1:22:44
all the way from California to visit the grandmother and goes
1:22:48
out of her way. To let Cindy Lincoln.
1:22:50
No, I'm not coming to visit you. I don't even want to see you.
1:22:54
I'm only coming to see my grandmother.
1:22:57
It just paints a very, very eerie picture of who's Cindy.
1:23:01
Really is. Cindy is the one with mental
1:23:04
issues and Mark Stone. He's right behind her, look
1:23:07
marks, Tony was just arrested for breaking into a pound to try
1:23:11
to free his dog. I mean, this literally just
1:23:14
happened a few weeks ago so both of these characters.
1:23:19
Are not dealing with a whole deck.
1:23:20
I mean, they can claim whatever they want, but they're the, the
1:23:24
troubled children in the family. I want to make it clear for the
1:23:28
audience out there that's listening and we'll hear this in
1:23:31
the future. Stephen, who is Proverbs guy in
1:23:35
the room never turned on Cindy, he just simply disagreed with
1:23:39
her behaviors and actions. He believed that what she was
1:23:42
doing was not only damaging to Kent but also to her own
1:23:47
well-being and he Could not just simply stand by and let that.
1:23:51
And from what I hear from Joanna, this is my first time of
1:23:55
actually, of an engagement with her.
1:23:57
It sounds like she tried everything that she possibly
1:24:00
could to befriend and get along with these people.
1:24:03
She never turned on them, they turned on her, so this needs to
1:24:08
be made, clear? This isn't like something where
1:24:10
they just walked off into the sunset, they tried their best.
1:24:21
Did you guys freeze up on me? Was that you beautiful?
1:24:25
That was really beautiful, Brett.
1:24:26
And that did touch home because that's exactly the experience.
1:24:31
I had, I gave hours and hours of free labor to Cindy Lincoln.
1:24:39
You know, I'm a a Sabbath keeper and when it got cold outside and
1:24:46
it was into the 20s and teens, I would even break.
1:24:49
The Sabbath, which is sacred in my faith to walk down to Cindy's
1:24:53
house, to cut her firewood. So she wouldn't be cold.
1:24:56
I would have taken a bullet for Cindy Lincoln.
1:24:58
I loved Cindy, Lincoln, and I didn't walk away from Cindy,
1:25:03
Lincoln, Cindy, Lincoln walked away from me.
1:25:06
Yes. Joanna, do you have any more to
1:25:11
share? It's very, very sad to hearing
1:25:14
how you guys have been mistreated and abused.
1:25:17
As long as I've known Steve from interviewing him in the past and
1:25:21
talking to him, he's got nothing but Integrity.
1:25:24
As far as I'm concerned, I see him as a good friend and he's a
1:25:28
committed person whenever he tries to be your friend, he
1:25:32
gives it the best. He's got, I can vouch for that?
1:25:34
Go ahead, Joanna, do you have any more stories?
1:25:40
I just found it very shocking and hurtful that, you know, all
1:25:45
this stuff happened and the most shocking thing was to be told by
1:25:50
Julie and Cindy that I had to admit that.
1:25:53
I was crazy and that I did the damage to my RV myself.
1:25:58
When Cindy would constantly point out.
1:26:00
Each time look, Joanna, that wires cut.
1:26:03
Look Joanna. That glass is broken.
1:26:05
Look, this is your you know. Your fenders broken look.
1:26:09
And I fixed it myself with fiberglass plexiglass or
1:26:13
whatever, you know, I mean, constant, who would?
1:26:17
I'm not, I don't do that. You know, I was busy trying to
1:26:20
work and help people and do my Ministry and I don't run around
1:26:24
and constantly destroy my own RV.
1:26:26
And then I'm not. This raging weird lunatic.
1:26:30
When, when, what a couple months before that I was her star
1:26:33
witness and then she started saying no, I'm I'm really on
1:26:37
Kent and Saundra side because they gave me a little gift bag
1:26:41
that said Silent Night on it and she said oh it's got bugs in it
1:26:44
or poison cookies and I'm seeing Cindy you're the one that wanted
1:26:48
to make the poison cookies and have me deliver them because
1:26:50
Sandra trusted me. What are you doing?
1:26:54
That's crazy. You don't do that and she even
1:26:58
said she was going to pour gasoline on their bodies, after
1:27:00
she killed them and put them in a hole that Steve Lynn had put
1:27:04
for her on her property. I said Cindy, no, that's crazy.
1:27:08
Crazy. But I never reported her to the
1:27:10
authorities. I never pressed charges even
1:27:13
though she had Insurance in my RV was damaged on her property.
1:27:17
I just pray for her and I try to tried to help her and Nick and
1:27:21
Julie and I'm very sorry that they feel like they had to
1:27:25
attack my family and my character as a Christian.
1:27:29
Well, I take it, I take it to you, never actually seen any of
1:27:33
can Tobin's. People on the property or
1:27:36
anything? No, I didn't ask.
1:27:38
But I have to ask something, there's something very
1:27:40
suspicious here, I don't know if you caught it Stephen and
1:27:43
Joanna. But how did how did Cindy
1:27:47
Lincoln know that a wire was cut?
1:27:50
I'd seen the picture of your vehicle and it's huge.
1:27:54
It seems a lot of Scouting Around and looking around to be
1:27:58
able to find any of these things that she says, is a discrepancy.
1:28:02
How did she know where all the damage?
1:28:04
Right, right, right. And where the Water, hoses were
1:28:08
connected. She knew where both of the water
1:28:11
hose damage was in the special that you can drink the water.
1:28:16
You know, there's a hoses that it's harmful for you if you
1:28:18
drink out of them and then there's more expensive ones she
1:28:22
went and picked him up for me. And she claimed that each that
1:28:25
the heavy duty extension cord cost over $100.
1:28:28
The water hose cost over $100, and I paid her, I trusted her
1:28:33
and then she would know exactly where everything was damaged.
1:28:36
And exactly. Where the evil vandals from
1:28:42
Kent's Ministry, and exactly. Look Joanna, that's where the
1:28:44
grass is laid down where Freddy parked and where Freddy put a
1:28:47
sneak out by my cabin and I told Nick to get to take care of it.
1:28:52
Well, the snake ended up in my RV on my pillow, the constrictor
1:28:56
and I took care of it. And I gave it to her the bag.
1:29:01
Steven I got to ask you something here, did you?
1:29:06
Now you had a while back, you had helped send me Lincoln with
1:29:11
some editing of the videos and all this out of all.
1:29:13
The video footage that you seen. Did you ever want see any
1:29:18
footage where any of can Tobin's, people did any of the
1:29:22
stuff that she accused him of just I mean, just even a five
1:29:25
second clip of seeing somebody that didn't belong there.
1:29:28
R. I had never seen any video or
1:29:34
audio evidence where anyone from Kent hovind's team was
1:29:39
vandalizing or harassing or stalking.
1:29:43
The only thing that would even somewhat come close is a video
1:29:47
clip that she's played often about the formal Tech guy who
1:29:53
has been completely separated from the ministry now and and
1:29:59
There's nothing on there that relates to vandalism or anything
1:30:02
of that nature. It was related to mine and my
1:30:05
old roommates dog and that whole incident.
1:30:09
But no, there's no evidence that anyone from Kent hovind side is
1:30:15
vandalizing and not just that but the staff, the volunteers, a
1:30:20
Dal, these people men and women. They work so hard and I go
1:30:27
there, often I go there at least.
1:30:28
Least once a week, most of the time.
1:30:31
And when these people aren't working Brett, they're literally
1:30:34
hunched over and, and they have the best Spirit about it.
1:30:38
Like, none of them complain. They really legitimately just
1:30:41
want to serve God there, they don't have time or energy to
1:30:45
vandalize, Cindy. Lincoln, they just don't, I was
1:30:48
in church. This morning.
1:30:50
Ask you something here? Is it a, is it possible from
1:30:56
what you have seen and what Joanna has View?
1:30:59
And we know that Cindy Lincoln has made videos, claiming that
1:31:03
her own property was damaged. Now, when I listen to you guys
1:31:07
talk about Cindy and the things that she said about you guys, it
1:31:12
sounds like self-projection. I don't know if you guys know
1:31:15
itself projection is. It's when someone accuses, you
1:31:18
of things but they're actually the ones doing that the whole
1:31:21
time. What would you I know that you
1:31:25
may not have observed this but do you think that it's possible?
1:31:28
That Cindy and her State of Mind could have possibly damaged her
1:31:32
own stuff. Hurt herself in order to be able
1:31:36
to cause trouble. Yes.
1:31:39
Yes. I'm not only possible, it's
1:31:41
probable. Yep.
1:31:48
I mean, just the point that you made earlier Brett about how and
1:31:51
I did pick up on it, the same as you the the way that Cindy
1:31:56
Lincoln was able to pick up on all the damage to johana's her
1:32:01
RV, you would literally have to walk around and do a whole
1:32:05
inspection of the entire vehicle with a clipboard to find these.
1:32:10
These tiny little damages, these these little imperfections and
1:32:15
how Cindy Lincoln was miraculous Able to see from across the yard
1:32:20
these damages on this RV, it's kind of kind of curious as an IT
1:32:25
Brett. It is very curious and there's
1:32:28
also another thing to just jump off of Cindy, Lincoln's nonsense
1:32:33
for a moment. You had said, just a little
1:32:36
while ago, that marks Tony actually committed a crime by
1:32:40
breaking into a facility having to do with animals supposedly
1:32:44
the justification is to get his dog out of there.
1:32:48
Free it now, didn't marks Tony come into my room and talk about
1:32:53
how important it was to follow the laws of God and that, you
1:32:57
know, you got to do the best you can in order to be able to do as
1:33:00
God wants. And what way could anybody
1:33:04
justify burglarizing or breaking into a place?
1:33:07
When it's completely against the law and still sit there on my
1:33:11
show, talking about how important the laws of God are,
1:33:15
how is it even possible? Steven Because marks Tony has
1:33:20
turned into a delusional hypocrite marks, Tony likes to
1:33:24
sit on his pedestal, love memorize, scripture verses to
1:33:27
point out how flawed everyone around him is, but he's living
1:33:31
in sin himself. Mark is a sinner like everybody
1:33:34
else, Mark breaks the law. Some some Believers don't break
1:33:39
man's laws but marks, Tony has Mark Stone.
1:33:43
He's recently done it. So I just find it, I find it
1:33:46
very sad because I've I've had a lot of respect for Mark through
1:33:49
the years and I've loved him like a brother and to see how
1:33:53
far he's fallen and have such a self righteousness in his
1:33:58
hypocrisy. It's laughable, you know, that's
1:34:02
the wrong phrase because it's not laughable, it's actually
1:34:05
gut-wrenching. So you hear that folks out there
1:34:09
is the audience. Are you absorbing this?
1:34:12
What is being said? You've got a woman who
1:34:14
deliberately will cause harm to herself and destruction to her
1:34:19
own property, in order to start some kind of trouble with a guy
1:34:24
who doesn't want to have anything to do with those
1:34:26
issues, no more. And also, I want to point out
1:34:29
something to and I should have probably said this while Kent
1:34:32
and Sandra were in here. But in the relationships that
1:34:36
Kent Had he never told any of these women to leave or that he
1:34:40
wanted a divorce or he wanted to disconnect from him.
1:34:44
He never did that. That was never his interest or
1:34:47
intention. He wanted to remain committed.
1:34:50
They made the decision to do the things that they did, especially
1:34:54
Cindy Lincoln. I just felt that need to point
1:34:56
that out. Yeah.
1:34:58
And the touch on that Brett. You know, there is an audio clip
1:35:03
of Kent hovind, making a couple phone calls too.
1:35:06
Some trusted friends, this was during a time where Cindy
1:35:09
Lincoln was trying to punish Kent hovind for not cooperating
1:35:12
with her every will. And she was sleeping in the
1:35:16
spare bedroom and Kent hovind called around a couple of his
1:35:20
friends. Trying to devise a crafty plan
1:35:22
to get his wife back into his bedroom, and he had this great
1:35:26
idea that, hey, if I take the door off the spare bedroom,
1:35:29
maybe my wife will want to come back to our bedroom and they use
1:35:33
that as evidence of what a terrible creep.
1:35:36
A slighting monster can hoeven is but can't Holden's real crime
1:35:41
in that was trying to get his wife back in their bedroom.
1:35:44
It wasn't to push, Cindy away, and they know that, but marks
1:35:48
Tony and Cindy Lincoln, and everyone tied with them, they're
1:35:52
not above lying to justify the ends.
1:35:57
How dare a husband want to be able to interact and make love
1:36:02
to his wife. What is this man thinking how
1:36:05
horrible the nerve of him, right.
1:36:11
It's crazy. Crazy.
1:36:14
Well, Joanna in the in the future.
1:36:16
If you hear somebody making threats or saying that they want
1:36:19
to set someone on fire pour gasoline on them but feed them
1:36:23
nasty cookies, with poison. I would definitely I recommend
1:36:27
calling the police on that. That's scary.
1:36:30
Yes, I normally I normally definitely would providing I'm
1:36:34
not trapped in that person's property.
1:36:38
I completely understand for those that may have just got
1:36:42
into the discussion that we're having this woman here Joanna.
1:36:47
She was unfortunately in the very volatile environment she
1:36:53
couldn't get out of this. She was basically stuck.
1:36:55
She was in a trap. In this is a reason why she
1:36:58
reacted and made the decision that she did.
1:37:01
But now that she's out of it, she's doing everything in her
1:37:04
power to do the right thing for the people out there that are
1:37:08
good. Yes, Johanna, I would love to
1:37:12
ask you a question, if you wouldn't mind just for anybody,
1:37:16
who's just just streaming with us.
1:37:19
Johanna, just as of like a week ago, a week and a half ago, she
1:37:23
was living with Cindy. Lincoln she was Cindy Lincoln's
1:37:27
star witness to testify against Kent hovind.
1:37:31
My question for his landscaping or property to.
1:37:34
I did Rollins of dollars of work but the more important point is
1:37:39
that you were her main star witness and I would love to know
1:37:44
exactly what you were going to be witnessing in court.
1:37:48
Like, what was your bombshell, testimony?
1:37:52
That was supposed to be the end. All the nail in the coffin for
1:37:55
Kent hovind. Could you give us detail and
1:37:58
insight into that? And maybe it would even help
1:38:00
Pastor hoeven. If the case proceeds to defend
1:38:04
himself, I'm sure. She told Cindy told me to say,
1:38:14
to not say, when she okay, when I said, she said you better not
1:38:18
say that. In court when I said Cindy,
1:38:21
that's not all that happened. I saw you not only yell and
1:38:25
scream and swear at Your mother, but at your husband, dr.
1:38:29
Hovind to and hit him. And she raised her hand like
1:38:32
that, and the car was going to hit me.
1:38:35
And she did not, she never struck me, but it was the
1:38:37
threat. And she said, you better not
1:38:41
ever say that in court. She told me exactly what I was
1:38:45
supposed to say. If I said it didn't happen that
1:38:48
way. She would go on and on and Julie
1:38:49
would go on and on saying, this is the way it happened to Anna.
1:38:53
This is the way it happened, this is the way it really
1:38:55
happened, right? You give us?
1:38:57
Could you give us the exact details though of?
1:39:00
Yeah, what she was coercing. You to say?
1:39:04
Well, okay, on July 10th, when we did go to court and she tried
1:39:08
to say that I witnessed him dr. Hovind going on, Sheila's
1:39:14
property, and attacking her, or harassing her threatening her.
1:39:20
I said, I don't know if it was July 10th, I or a different
1:39:25
time. When Sheila said he was just
1:39:27
waving at her, but it looked like he was waving at you.
1:39:30
I'm not sure she said, no, he was trying to attack me.
1:39:34
He was trying to do this blah blah blah.
1:39:36
I said well, I just know and I said I blame myself on the 10th
1:39:41
on July 10th. I had a text message from Sheila
1:39:44
saying, can you come over to the rummage sale?
1:39:46
I have a possible buyer for your bike because I was basically
1:39:48
selling my property and whatever I had because Cindy was
1:39:52
sabotaging job, things she would pick up applications.
1:39:56
And then take them back. Take my application back from
1:40:00
the job person or purposely go three hours later from my
1:40:04
interview so that I couldn't get it.
1:40:06
And then once I did get a job at Dollar General her and Julie
1:40:10
sabotage that so that I couldn't, I had to quit my job.
1:40:14
Basically. She I she specifically said you
1:40:17
are not allowed to see or talk to anyone at all or go anywhere
1:40:22
that I don't say. And so what, Was the only
1:40:27
bombshell testimony that she wanted you to change the details
1:40:33
of the story about Jesus Aditi way.
1:40:41
She wanted me to just half of the story.
1:40:45
Like, okay, I saw her, I'll crippled acting all crippled up
1:40:49
walking slowly towards her mother mother's cabin, crying
1:40:54
and she couldn't breathe deeply. She was just gasping.
1:40:58
Yes, but that was after I saw her go out in that little dune
1:41:02
buggy or Kubota or whatever and she wasn't acting crippled, then
1:41:06
she was acting fine, she jumped in it drove off and came back
1:41:10
later. All Crip, walking all crippled
1:41:13
up and stuff. When you, and I had a private
1:41:18
conversation Johanna, and I hope it's okay to release this
1:41:22
information, but I do believe you were going to release it.
1:41:25
Anyways, you were supposed to write some things down.
1:41:29
You mentioned to me that Cindy had cooked for you a few times
1:41:32
and that it tasted off in that you got sick afterwards.
1:41:36
Yeah. And then you also related to me
1:41:38
that around the same time, Cindy Lincoln had just left Dal and
1:41:44
left, Kent hovind because She is the one who left, you said it
1:41:48
around that same time when she was still cooking for Kent, that
1:41:52
he began to get sick and that is around the time frame that can't
1:41:56
began to get sick. Could you?
1:41:57
Maybe give us some more insight into that?
1:42:02
Yes, I was not aware that she was cooking for them but I later
1:42:08
found out by people that that he had gotten sick and they were
1:42:12
suspicious that it might have been something she had I noticed
1:42:17
it was very she would always get weird herbs and things from the
1:42:21
woods and mushrooms and strange stuff and the stuff that she had
1:42:27
in the rice and lentil or whatever it was.
1:42:30
He had some strange mushrooms in it and these weird leaves and
1:42:33
they were bitter and odd tasting.
1:42:36
I was sick for three days and I was very sick.
1:42:39
And on one of the they didn't want me to go to the hospital or
1:42:44
any place to get. Check.
1:42:45
Just like when I got hit the, I wasn't just RV vandalism.
1:42:50
I got hit with my son's, metal baseball bat in my face,
1:42:54
splitting my lip leaving my face bloody and hurting my lower
1:42:59
teeth very hard. I got, I'm going to have to have
1:43:02
a lot of dental work and I was not allowed to go to the
1:43:06
emergency room. I thought I know my, I know I
1:43:09
had a concussion because I couldn't see.
1:43:13
Right. I couldn't hardly walk, right?
1:43:15
I was under the covers, because there was no heat because of the
1:43:18
no electric. Because of the vandalism and I
1:43:22
was under the covers. Thank God I was under the
1:43:24
covers. I heard somebody coming to the
1:43:26
RV, I heard the door, open the locks.
1:43:30
There was no locks on the RV. They had been broken and I tried
1:43:36
to lift my head up to go and and see who it was and Bam.
1:43:40
It just super hard in my um my head right in front of my face
1:43:44
with that metal bat, the bat was left there and I heard somebody
1:43:47
run. Boom!
1:43:48
Boom! Boom!
1:43:49
You're hurting. Oh, the RV kind of shakes with
1:43:51
some and they went out the door and the door was left.
1:43:53
Open, the door was also left open when the RV mover, Gary
1:43:58
came to move it, he told me when he was on the road with my RV,
1:44:02
my sons are be. I just want to tell you, I'm got
1:44:05
the RV on the road. There was a man in the yard.
1:44:08
He was after your red fridge, your door was open in your RV
1:44:12
was stuff. Was thrown all over your holiday
1:44:15
presents. That you said your friends left
1:44:16
for you. We're gone through and, and and
1:44:19
you know, Smashed, whatever he witnessed that could I wasn't I
1:44:23
believe that man was Nick, I'm not sure.
1:44:26
Could I direct you to another point on because when you did an
1:44:30
interview with Ken and I on my show, over at the Proverbs 27:17
1:44:34
Channel, you mentioned that she had said to you, that she wanted
1:44:40
to shoot Ken. And then yeah, for gasoline on
1:44:43
their bodies and put them in a hole that Steve Lane had dug on
1:44:47
the property and I realized everybody, They're this might
1:44:51
sound just totally insane and out of the ordinary and even
1:44:55
unbelievable. But I actually that stuck out to
1:45:00
me because I know the whole that you're talking about because
1:45:04
when I was working with her, there was a large hole in the
1:45:07
very corner of the property that looks big enough to be a large
1:45:11
grave that she claimed and told me, Steve Lynn had dog and she
1:45:15
thought steveland had dug it to actually get rid of her.
1:45:18
And she was, she was paranoid at that point.
1:45:21
So that little detail to me turned that statement into
1:45:27
evidence because not only did you mention she wanted to kill
1:45:30
them and set their bodies on fire.
1:45:32
But you brought up the whole that's on the property that I
1:45:35
know for a fact to exist that was terrifying, could you go
1:45:39
into more depth into? That will be for we get into
1:45:42
that. I do want to say the moral of
1:45:44
the story is if you got somebody running around talking about
1:45:47
poisoning food, don't Eat anything that they cook.
1:45:51
I am putting here as well as Joanna.
1:45:55
I'm sorry. Did you guys get sick?
1:45:57
We got somebody out of your called Behemoth.
1:45:59
He said, I thought Christ was supposed to transform your life
1:46:03
after accepted him. Well, you forgot the passages
1:46:06
where Jesus said, there will be many who claim to come in my
1:46:09
name, and they end up becoming false prophets false teachers.
1:46:13
And they use their free will to do - and evil things.
1:46:16
They are not of God. So for you start, like, dumping
1:46:21
on religion, or faith, because there's people out there who
1:46:24
label themselves something and do negative things.
1:46:26
You have to remember free will people make bad decisions, they
1:46:30
make evil decision, sometimes, and that's what Christians are
1:46:34
supposed to stand against, which is what I think Steven and
1:46:37
Joanna's trying to do. Yes, yeah, excellent point
1:46:41
Brett. And not just that there will be
1:46:43
people who claim to follow Christ and they really don't.
1:46:47
But we also need to take into account that we're not Dealing
1:46:50
with just a scorned believer who's out for Revenge.
1:46:53
We're dealing with a mental illness.
1:46:56
Like this is something that's out of the ordinary for
1:46:59
believers. But there are Christians with
1:47:01
mental illnesses and the things that have been exposed about
1:47:05
Cindy Lincoln even as of recently, they're exposing
1:47:09
mental illness. So we can't have her in exactly
1:47:12
the same category as how regular believer should conduct
1:47:16
themselves, right? She's working with a handicap
1:47:19
and that an excuse her, trying to poison Kent.
1:47:23
Now, if you have unless Brett has something else to touch on,
1:47:26
if you could rewrite that story for us, Steven is when you get
1:47:31
an opportunity or Joanna, can you give me Joanna's YouTube
1:47:35
channel, that way? After the show is done, I can
1:47:38
let people know where to find her on social media and be able
1:47:42
to talk surely. All right.
1:47:44
Wonderful. And by the way, Joanna, I know
1:47:47
you don't know a whole lot about me but I do.
1:47:49
You do live shows, they usually do them around 6:00 or 7:00 p.m.
1:47:53
and you seem like a really cool cat.
1:47:56
You're always welcome to come in and chat and and we'll try to
1:48:00
will try to do more positive shows in the future where we
1:48:03
talk. Yeah, God has helped us in our
1:48:05
life. I know this is tough for you to.
1:48:08
This is really rough but you need to be able to have a place
1:48:12
where you can really vent and get it out.
1:48:14
Yeah I'm glad I could offer that.
1:48:16
Thank you. What did you have that list with
1:48:21
you? Johanna of the things that you
1:48:23
wanted to touch home? Um can I give him the YouTube
1:48:27
channel really quick? It's t like Thomas T.
1:48:31
Okay. J like the private chat for me
1:48:36
are out in the public, not really, but I mean, I don't know
1:48:41
how to do that and just even is there any way you can help her
1:48:45
you both using the phone Army were using van?
1:48:48
And I'm on the phone right now. But yeah, Johanna if you could
1:48:53
if you could send me that information I would be happy to
1:48:57
get it to Brett. If you just go to YouTube, can't
1:49:00
do it right now but I can do it another time.
1:49:02
Yeah, even just after the show the description to check out.
1:49:14
Okay, thank you. All right, so we know that Cindy
1:49:18
made Rats about shooting can and burning their bodies in this big
1:49:22
Mass grave on the property. And we know that she also asked
1:49:26
you to deliver poisoned cookies, but but also that it's possible.
1:49:31
She was putting something in Kent's food to make him sick
1:49:34
because he did become very sick at that time.
1:49:37
Are there any other instances that the public should be aware
1:49:41
of? I believe she I mean, okay, so
1:49:46
her neighbor Doug She was saying he's watching me, he's watching
1:49:50
me, he's going to try to kill me and then she would call Doug and
1:49:54
say Doug come over. Can't opens trying to kill me.
1:49:57
Other people are trying to kill me.
1:49:59
There vandalizing Joanna's are be there, they're over here
1:50:03
doing this stuff and so one hand, she's telling me that that
1:50:08
he's the enemy and she might have to kill him and then she's
1:50:12
acting to him. Like he needs to come over and
1:50:15
rescue her from someone else that's trying to kill her.
1:50:18
And she was, she was also drinking and I think she takes
1:50:21
the chemicals for the pot without actually smoking it.
1:50:25
But before she did any of that stuff, I know that she had a
1:50:31
history of some sort of depression or whatever.
1:50:34
She said she used to take meds for and it helped.
1:50:38
Yeah. Now as far as the poisoning
1:50:40
goes, I know that Cindy Lincoln has vast knowledge about herbs
1:50:44
and things that are outside, so I would find it totally
1:50:47
reasonable that. She Know how to poison someone
1:50:49
with natural elements but to the best of your knowledge does
1:50:53
Cindy Lincoln have access to a weapon that you mention that she
1:50:57
talked about getting a gun. Did she ever get that gun?
1:51:00
Is this something you should be worried?
1:51:02
She was gonna get a gun from Nick and she told the sheriff
1:51:06
people when they came over to investigate when she called and
1:51:10
reported my RV damage when I told her, don't don't, I said
1:51:14
they're gone and you're taking them away from actually going
1:51:17
over. Were to someone else's place and
1:51:19
maybe saving a life. But she insisted that they come
1:51:23
over, she insisted that they see a, the vandalism that it was
1:51:27
interesting because it was in the dark.
1:51:29
And of course, she knew all the places where it was vandalized
1:51:32
in the dark and I found that very strange and disturbing
1:51:38
that, she told them she was going to get a gun and that she
1:51:41
might just accidentally shoot me.
1:51:46
Wow. Wow.
1:51:50
Okay, this just gets deeper and deeper and Johanna, there are a
1:51:56
couple people out there listening right now that are on
1:52:00
the Cindy Lincoln side or they've proactively helped her
1:52:03
in the past. You being someone who was so
1:52:06
close with her even just a week ago.
1:52:09
Could, what advice would you give to them?
1:52:12
What would you direct them to to explain to them the true nature?
1:52:17
And Character of the Cindy Lincoln that they're all
1:52:20
helping. When she told me don't help
1:52:24
marks Tony when he was basically stranded because she ran out of
1:52:27
her illegal, airmiles she was using and his dog, his service,
1:52:31
dog and him and his daughter Mackenzie were stranded.
1:52:35
I had, you know, I only had his $100 to give but I you know, I
1:52:40
mean I love him as a brother and I was very sorry that he kept
1:52:44
getting sucked a deeper into her quicksand in her lies and she
1:52:48
Try to provoke him and make him think that dr.
1:52:52
Hovind did Terrible. Things Are would have to his
1:52:54
daughter, Mackenzie sexually and whatever that he was grooming
1:52:59
her and just awful, Terrible Things, pushing pushing marks
1:53:03
buttons, Karina when a woman cries on your shoulder and says,
1:53:08
she's been abused by her husband.
1:53:09
And, you know, and she's screaming and banging and put on
1:53:12
a good show at first, Mark was trying to reconcile both of
1:53:15
them. He knew it was the yellows in
1:53:17
the The screams and the swearing that he heard but she turned
1:53:22
everything around and really made us feel sorry for and
1:53:26
believe that not only like this weird thing, she wrote Joanna,
1:53:31
my companion and suffering and all this weird stuff for the
1:53:33
couple Bible verses, say no, scripture and very disturbed
1:53:39
people. A lot of the times use
1:53:40
scripture, very disturbed, abusive people and she tried to
1:53:46
make me think that her A place was getting vandalized, like
1:53:49
pause at pars. Mara my place was getting down
1:53:52
delays when my Batman when my RV was there, that's where the
1:53:55
stuff started. But after it was moved,
1:53:57
supposedly safely with her as her star witness for all of this
1:54:01
stuff. It was continually vandalized
1:54:05
and it was interesting that I would look at things that
1:54:08
weren't like that. And then when I would see her
1:54:11
come walking from my fire pit area, and I would go over there
1:54:15
and she would say, look, Joanna, your fire pit is kicked over
1:54:18
again. Look Joanna, your bricks are
1:54:20
busted in half and I would think wait a minute.
1:54:23
I just burned some of my garbage there and they were fine and no
1:54:26
one was there but you Yeah. And you know to give Mark Credit
1:54:33
and I don't give him much credit anymore because Mark sold his
1:54:36
soul and is working with the atheist because he's been
1:54:39
blinded by hate and he's not the same marks, Tony that I had the
1:54:43
pleasure of being a volunteer with.
1:54:46
But the the thing you just said about him trying to reconcile
1:54:50
both of them. I know that also to be true.
1:54:53
Mark, was working very hard to be mediator between Cindy and
1:54:58
Ken. It's sad to see how hard and how
1:55:03
fast his heart has changed. It's not the same Mark you can
1:55:07
see it in his eyes when I see, you know, I don't watch his
1:55:10
dream anymore because it's mostly crap.
1:55:13
But when I have bruised of, ER, or perused his streams, just the
1:55:20
look in his eyes. It's hate, its bitterness, he's
1:55:24
not happy, he's miserable, these are not the Karen says of the
1:55:30
same marks Tony. I knew Mark was lit up.
1:55:33
When I knew him he was overflowing with the Holy
1:55:36
Spirit. I mean marks Tony just look, you
1:55:39
could look at him and tell this is someone who loves Christ,
1:55:43
it's nice, a marks, Tony the marks Tony, I knew has passed
1:55:47
away and whoever is living in his body.
1:55:50
Now, I never knew them. So sad man.
1:55:54
See, it is very sad. Do you have that list with you
1:56:05
Johanna? Have you touched on everything
1:56:06
that you wanted to touch on you? Go ahead and hit us with some of
1:56:10
your fat Sam. Well,
1:56:26
I was also getting threatening phone calls, telling me that
1:56:30
they were from unavailable numbers and they were late at
1:56:33
night saying that I was going to be killed and all this other
1:56:37
stuff and that I just terrible stuff.
1:56:39
And every time Cindy would act very oddly about them.
1:56:44
And She would always say that not like, Julie and Nick don't
1:56:51
believe you. Your family doesn't believe you.
1:56:53
Nobody believes you and basically keep quiet about them.
1:56:57
But yet she would tell me. She knew that can't was doing
1:57:01
it. His people were doing it and she
1:57:03
would try to use that. And plus isolating me from
1:57:06
everybody, not allowing me to go anywhere, talk to anybody, see
1:57:10
anybody at all unless she approved of it and to one point
1:57:17
when I was at Dal, There was a guy, I forget who he was, but
1:57:23
I'm not sure if you know Robin that was there and there was
1:57:26
another guy that Robin was seeing every once in a while.
1:57:31
I don't know. Oh, he would like they went out
1:57:33
to the beach in Pensacola and they brought back some stuff for
1:57:37
the Science Center and they came back kind of late.
1:57:40
And I was at 10:00, I was watching Superman with my son in
1:57:45
my RV while in the RV I was in at the time there and yet Cindy
1:57:50
in insisted on sending me a text message and calling me over and
1:57:56
saying, Joanna, you're a whore. You just came and at midnight
1:58:03
and you're a whore admit. You're a horror, I will kick you
1:58:06
out because I'm in charge of who gets kicked out of Dal.
1:58:09
I said, no, I'm not a whore. Why are you saying that?
1:58:11
I've been at. I came home from going to the
1:58:14
zoo with these, my friends. I came home.
1:58:17
I was there ten. I came home at nine know.
1:58:21
Joanna, you're lying. You're a liar and she was saying
1:58:24
her mom was a liar and screaming and swearing and yelling at her
1:58:26
mom. Over a little bit of candy, I
1:58:28
gave her mom. That was sugar-free and her mom
1:58:31
was scared when she heard Cindy coming into the cabin, because
1:58:36
it went directly into her mom's bedroom and she hid it under the
1:58:39
bed and Cindy was ranting and raving screaming and yelling
1:58:43
just like Julie was. And I was like I thought Julie
1:58:46
was so sweet and wonderful way better than me and I believed
1:58:51
Cindy and I was just so shocked that you can go like boom from
1:58:57
nice to Psycho in just a few seconds I just got blew me away.
1:59:02
Totally And for her to say, don't know, Mark, when he gave
1:59:09
everything for her, he get everything.
1:59:11
She wanted him to take a gun over to DAL to walk around.
1:59:14
Go over there with a gun, and she told me if whole, if dr.
1:59:20
Hovind doesn't it? She said, if Kent does not end
1:59:22
up in prison and died there, I am either going to kill him
1:59:26
myself or have someone else do it?
1:59:28
She said she was writing to somebody that she thought was a
1:59:31
an assassin on Facebook that can't had sent to.
1:59:35
A and pretend to be on her side and she might have to sell some
1:59:39
land to pay him off to kill Kent and all this crazy stuff.
1:59:42
I said, Cindy stop it. Stop it.
1:59:44
You you even had your own mom? Could you just could you back up
1:59:49
just a little bit? Because that's a story in.
1:59:52
Its is how many times one has sheet, you know, thought out
1:59:58
trying to kill him into can you elaborate any more on the hired
2:00:03
hit, man? What Cindy was telling me and
2:00:09
you know, and gradually getting everybody to believe that all
2:00:13
these awful things were happening to them personally and
2:00:16
they were being slandered by Kent and his people.
2:00:18
When really, I found out that it's the same accusations.
2:00:21
She's throwing at me now and calling and her and her cronies
2:00:28
calling my relatives and bothering and harassing them and
2:00:30
saying. So I knew it wasn't kept doing
2:00:32
it. It was her the whole time trying
2:00:34
to get me in her camp. Yep.
2:00:36
And to the point where she's actually trying to turn the
2:00:40
screws especially with Mark Stoney and the accusations that
2:00:44
she tried to make him so angry over his daughter.
2:00:49
That that to the point where he would want to kill dr.
2:00:52
Hovind. And then she brags about it.
2:00:55
I've got so-and-so cos that would kill him and I said, Mark,
2:00:58
don't don't do it. Don't fall for it.
2:01:00
She's she tricked us. Do you think it's possible that
2:01:05
the reason she didn't want you helping marks, Tony was because
2:01:09
she wanted him to have that feeling of destitute and push
2:01:13
him into doing something erratic and insane.
2:01:19
I never really thought of it that way.
2:01:20
I just felt like it was a total betrayal like she's telling, I
2:01:24
mean she went and had a private little breakfast for him and his
2:01:27
daughter which she made sure not to invite me and he acted really
2:01:33
sad when he was going and gave me a hug.
2:01:36
And he acted like he said, in case I never see you again and I
2:01:39
was thinking, wait a minute, some she told him something
2:01:42
Center, he knows something. Why wouldn't you see me again?
2:01:46
We're going to see each other for court again, aren't we?
2:01:48
Yeah, and I was like what the heck's going on?
2:01:56
How long was Mark Stony there and what kind of things did you
2:02:00
witness than conspiring? Bob Mark was very, he acted very
2:02:08
sane. He he brought his dog Grace his
2:02:12
service dog dare. He had said that he had went
2:02:15
into the pound to rescue her because they, somebody had taken
2:02:19
her from him. And that is his service animal.
2:02:21
He broke into the pound, he's broken into a government
2:02:25
facility. He said that one, the one lady
2:02:28
at the pound said he could get his dog, and then the other one
2:02:30
wouldn't let him. And, and anyway, I believe Tim.
2:02:34
And I was completely on his side.
2:02:38
I love my pets too and and You know, and I was just shocked
2:02:44
that she would say, don't help him and I was like, why?
2:02:49
I mean I only helped him with a hundred dollars and thank God
2:02:53
his family helped him with the rest but she was going to help
2:02:56
him at all. And yet he would be willing to
2:03:01
die for her and possibly even kill for her.
2:03:08
I mean, why is Matthew? Because you guys have talked a
2:03:10
lot about assassinations poisoned cookies.
2:03:13
A lot of killing going on here. Does, I've never been to DAL
2:03:18
before in my life. I've seen the videos of how
2:03:21
pretty it is down there, but does can't have proper
2:03:24
protection, does him, and Sandra have protection, as well as the
2:03:28
other Dow Community workers and people volunteers that are down
2:03:33
there. No.
2:03:36
Yeah, unfortunately, Brett because of cancer, you know, the
2:03:41
whole tax or deal that got him in prison.
2:03:44
They also unjust fully labeled him as a felon.
2:03:48
So, he's, he's incapable legally of having that level of
2:03:53
self-defense that in this situation.
2:03:56
He clearly needs. I gotta ask you.
2:04:01
Stephen did marks Tony go to jail, was he arrested for the
2:04:06
sub break him? It was dropped.
2:04:10
So what from what I gathered from the video he posted because
2:04:14
he did post a video about it. I believe they released him like
2:04:19
with a signature tight Bond I could be incorrect but that's
2:04:23
how it's described in his video and by the time the court case
2:04:27
came, they did drop everything, which I'm sure is due to the
2:04:30
fact that he's a veteran. So, Joanna.
2:04:34
And Stephen, you both have said that Mark was carrying around a
2:04:39
gun on the property and all this.
2:04:42
Have you went, you didn't he didn't, but Cindy was trying to
2:04:45
get him to, okay. Now, did you ever either one of
2:04:50
the aware observe that send the Lincoln herself has some kind of
2:04:54
firearm or weapon? No.
2:04:57
She said Nick was going to get her one.
2:05:00
Okay. Alright, let's just trying to
2:05:03
figure out this either. One of you guys actually seeing
2:05:05
a handgun or anything like that on her property.
2:05:10
No, she usually calls Nick and he comes and like fires, a few
2:05:14
shots because she said, when I was at work at Dollar General,
2:05:18
that she had to call him and she was so Furious that.
2:05:22
He didn't believe her that someone was there.
2:05:24
And so I tried to tell Nick Nick, if I'm making everything
2:05:27
up, what about the times that she's called?
2:05:30
Did you and told you, Nick come out, someone's out here you know
2:05:33
someone's trying to get me, come out there watching my property
2:05:36
with drones or they're doing this or they're doing that the
2:05:39
come and fire some shots or of this or the.
2:05:41
I said, I had nothing to do with that.
2:05:43
I wasn't there. Yeah, and I'm not a medical
2:05:46
doctor so I'm not, I'm not diagnosing Cindy whatsoever.
2:05:50
I want to make that clear, but the things you've described in
2:05:54
the things I've witnessed with my experience with her, I
2:05:57
witnessed her going through spouts of Where she would stay
2:06:01
up like 20 hours of the day making anti Kent, hovind videos
2:06:06
and that lack of sleep tied in with other other things, like
2:06:11
you mentioned that she was drinking now and that you have
2:06:14
reason to believe. She's experimenting with either
2:06:17
THC or CBD. These are things that can cause
2:06:21
psychosis if you have a history of mental illness and the things
2:06:26
you've described definitely point to me.
2:06:30
Me some form of psychosis or a paranoia schizophrenic.
2:06:34
Yes. Her dad and her sister have that
2:06:38
Illness, but but it's treatable, her dad is fine on his meds,
2:06:44
who's his father's fine. And his meds Cindy's, I was
2:06:50
under the impression that I send you ink.
2:06:52
Ins father died and she received from inheritance.
2:06:56
No, no, he's alive and he's a realtor, a successful realtor.
2:07:02
He gave her a property in California when he was still
2:07:05
alive, because he felt sorry for her because of her problems with
2:07:11
one of her exes. Why did she go around and tell
2:07:15
people, because she actually said on my show a couple times,
2:07:18
she said that her father died. She got the wow, went down to
2:07:23
Ken. Yeah, if you want to see it for
2:07:25
yourself, how her mom, her mom's been talking to a ghost then
2:07:29
every once in a while because they still talk together on the
2:07:31
phone who is Steven asking him what he knew about?
2:07:42
Cindy, if she had some mental problems.
2:07:45
So Stephen when you get a chance he can go over to Odyssey if you
2:07:50
want if you feel like you still need to get into this.
2:07:53
Now, I got to tell you both, even though you didn't call the
2:07:57
police, whenever this issue is happening, if you truly believe
2:08:01
that Kent's life is in danger, I did make a report, I did make a
2:08:06
report I'd said I'm not pressing charges, but I want you to be
2:08:10
aware. I called the sheriff's
2:08:12
department. I told him her address and her
2:08:14
name and I said, We're familiar with it because of her.
2:08:17
Police report. I said, I want you to be aware
2:08:21
that she's acting unstable. She is a danger to her neighbor
2:08:25
Doug and to dr. Hovind and Dal, and to herself.
2:08:31
I'm not going to go down there. Sign papers or press charges.
2:08:35
I just want you guys to be aware of what's going on if she does
2:08:39
call you again how long ago was that the more about three days
2:08:45
ago? So guys, we got Adam Lauren, the
2:08:47
room, merry Christmas, and I hope you had a good New Year's
2:08:51
and all that stuff. And you've been working on your
2:08:53
art. Did you want to ask some
2:08:55
questions? Adam, you also said that you
2:08:57
were interested in another topic as well.
2:09:00
I seen you ask some questions out there and I did put them up
2:09:03
on the screen. Awesome.
2:09:05
Yeah. Hey Brett.
2:09:06
Good to see you, welcome back. Yeah.
2:09:09
Hope you had a good. Merry Christmas and a Happy New
2:09:11
Year. I think Stephen a pirate.
2:09:12
I got me a lot of underwear and socks and stuff and that's Good
2:09:15
for me. They're starting to look like
2:09:17
Tarzan, linen. There you go.
2:09:19
I didn't want to interrupt you much in and Stephen cover the
2:09:22
question. I was asking real quick, but
2:09:24
real quick, I did want to add for my understanding marked in
2:09:27
at break into anything. He just he went to the pound and
2:09:31
got his dog and they told him. No, you got to fill out
2:09:34
paperwork. You can't just take your dog and
2:09:35
he was like, fuck you. I'm going to take, it's my dog.
2:09:38
I'm going to take my dog. He didn't like break into it,
2:09:41
right? Right, he did though.
2:09:44
According to his own. Own words in his video.
2:09:47
He went past a point where employees only are supposed to
2:09:51
go unless they're directed with an employee, he went in that
2:09:55
area and he took his dog and tried to sneak out with his dog
2:09:59
that that's like a definition of breaking in.
2:10:02
Okay so that's what we mean by breaking okay.
2:10:04
I just want to clarify on that because I'm not really, you
2:10:06
know, I'm not trying to interrupt the conversations of
2:10:08
what I just want to interject that.
2:10:11
Yeah, no. I understand.
2:10:14
Yeah, and keep going. I don't want to stop you guys
2:10:16
from what you were, why I do want to say the Steven, and I
2:10:20
meant to say this earlier, the last show that we did, you were
2:10:24
in the room and we were having great discussions and
2:10:28
unfortunately, I had seen that Mark.
2:10:30
He kept on saying over and over and over.
2:10:32
He wanted to get up there and I did not realize Stephen that all
2:10:36
this was going on. I didn't realize that all this
2:10:39
hell happened and I ended up adding them to the call.
2:10:43
I Not like to put two people into a room that absolutely
2:10:47
wanted to destroy each other. So I want to apologize to you
2:10:51
publicly for putting you in that incident.
2:10:54
I should have asked you first. If it was cool.
2:10:58
No, I have no hard feelings towards that Brett, and as long
2:11:03
as marks Tony is staying on topic and conducting himself as
2:11:07
a gentleman, like, you did that that episode.
2:11:09
I have no problem being in a room with Mark.
2:11:13
Very good, very good. Well, I have them if you got any
2:11:16
questions because I know you've been sitting out there,
2:11:18
listening, all that, go ahead. Anybody, who wants to come in?
2:11:22
There is a link out there, it's a not just us, it is a public
2:11:27
room that I've allowed. Anybody come in anybody's, got
2:11:29
some questions. As long as you don't come in,
2:11:32
trying to be a prick and get everybody pissed off.
2:11:35
We're going to be good. Oh, by the way, Joe and in case
2:11:38
you haven't seen some of my videos, I do have some colorful
2:11:41
language. Stephen has been trying to work
2:11:43
on me on that. I have had to.
2:11:48
I told Julie when she kept insisting, that there were Men
2:11:51
Dancing on my roof of my RV talking to me I said okay Julie
2:11:58
There are naked men dancing on my RV roof talking to me, as
2:12:02
well as Santa Claus and his magic reindeer.
2:12:05
And all of that is, like, little pieces of cat food, that my cats
2:12:09
eat and shit out in their litter box.
2:12:10
Julie, and I won't fight with you.
2:12:12
I'll pray for you goodbye. So I can be colorful and
2:12:16
sarcastic as well. Brett well there you go.
2:12:20
There you go. Stephens.
2:12:21
Going to get onto us both later. Do we're going to get a video
2:12:24
done. Oh my gosh.
2:12:26
Breath shots. Fired Friendly Fire.
2:12:33
Steven do you mind? If I ask for a quick you
2:12:37
mentioned that you had also witnessed.
2:12:40
What a hole dug by Steve Lynn. Yeah, so on Cindy, Lincoln's
2:12:46
property. She has about eight acres and on
2:12:50
the very far end of this acreage all the way up against the tree
2:12:54
line. There's a very large hole that
2:12:57
looks like it was dug by a small tractor, even you could probably
2:13:00
fit a good 20 bodies in it, so it's not not exactly the
2:13:04
dimensions of a grave but it's a hole large enough to lose
2:13:07
somebody and It's rough out. How long has it been there or
2:13:15
what was the time period on that?
2:13:18
So the hole was dug there when Steve Lynn lived on the property
2:13:22
and it's it's not clear what the hole was dug for but it's it's
2:13:26
on the clear side of the other property so there's no
2:13:31
logistical reason for it that you could think of our I could
2:13:34
anyways and this was before Cindy Lincoln took repossession
2:13:39
of the home. So it would have been dug some
2:13:41
time around the period where she had just left.
2:13:45
Kent, is this where all the rumors came from about corpses
2:13:49
being on Doll? People thrown in barrels and all
2:13:52
that, man? He they make can Tobin out.
2:13:55
The sound like, a damn mafia. Boss is crazy, that's a lot of
2:13:59
stuff. I mean, all that stuff's coming
2:14:00
from Cindy and stuff. She claims she has evidence
2:14:02
against actually Johanna. You were living on the property
2:14:07
at the time of illness. Mary that I saw a corpse on
2:14:12
Cindy's property. Not Dal.
2:14:14
Also, you are the one who actually witnessed a bone on the
2:14:19
property. It was a femur bone.
2:14:21
It was a femur bone, and one of Cindy's, friends said, no,
2:14:25
that's an animal bone. And I said, an animal bone, an
2:14:28
animal that's wearing jeans, And I said traveler was digging it
2:14:34
up and I said, look under the house because if Travelers going
2:14:38
to hide a goodie, he had this little like a cubbyhole, he
2:14:42
would go to get in the shade and your dog is going to drag his
2:14:45
favorite goody under the shade. But there were so many pigs
2:14:48
running around loose and various abandoned animals because they
2:14:51
had to leave and they didn't have any place for them that
2:14:54
they would have probably eaten anything that they found.
2:14:58
But the corpse it was very strange to Cindy told.
2:15:01
Took me to a suitcase and some evidence in the woods.
2:15:05
She knew, right, where it go, well, Joey.
2:15:07
And I'm very, very, very creepy. Stephen and Joe and I got a
2:15:13
theory about that big ol hole as, you know, Ken Tobin's really
2:15:17
into trying to find transitional fossils.
2:15:20
Maybe he's been spending the last couple minutes, I'm sorry.
2:15:31
I have a plot twist for you Brett.
2:15:34
So the dog traveler that Johanna just mentioned was my dog.
2:15:38
I named traveler, I named him after Robert E, Lee's horse.
2:15:43
So, that's an interesting detail that I'm just finding out about.
2:15:47
So what's the deal with the suitcase?
2:15:49
I keep hearing about that. I remember a year ago when we
2:15:52
were doing this, exciting stuff people are talking about this
2:15:55
kind of thing. What is the case deal?
2:15:59
Well, Cindy used the bar, body that femur bone, that I saw
2:16:03
traveler digging up and chewing on on that sticking out of the
2:16:08
jeans Cindy used that as a huge emotional lever against me and
2:16:15
Mark Stoney thinking that that was the missings a year and he
2:16:20
had gotten molested and murdered by Chris Jones and all this
2:16:24
awful, horrible things and there were sex trap, sex child
2:16:27
trafficking, and all these murders and bodies being hidden
2:16:31
and And just really shocking things.
2:16:33
When actually, on one audio that was played at a meeting that dr.
2:16:40
Hoeven had someone, I don't know if it was Steve Lin or who it
2:16:44
was, but they said, why don't you ask?
2:16:46
If you're always saying about these bodies, dr.
2:16:49
Hovind has, why don't you to ask Nick and Julie about the two
2:16:55
bodies that are in their backyard?
2:16:59
I don't know if you know this because you weren't you weren't
2:17:01
interacting with me and Steven another's a year ago.
2:17:05
Adam was there, there was a huge scare about the Zaire thing.
2:17:10
I mean, my audience was absolutely convinced as I hear
2:17:13
was sitting in a barrel somewhere off in a giant hole,
2:17:17
but he ended up the young man's I hear ended up actually coming
2:17:20
on the show, he's alive, he's perfectly well on all that.
2:17:24
I don't know if you realize that but figured out.
2:17:26
Yes, Mark told me that and I was crying.
2:17:29
I was saying thank God. Thank God.
2:17:30
Thank God. I'm very glad.
2:17:37
Well, any more questions folks, any more things we want to bring
2:17:41
up. We've been through poisonous
2:17:42
cookies mushrooms out in the woods causing people to get
2:17:45
sick. I mean, we've been through
2:17:47
killing assassinations and wooof, it's rough.
2:17:52
So I asked a question earlier. I wanted to know why Sunday had
2:17:58
been through so many tenants, and I don't feel like that was
2:18:03
answered. I was just wondering if you do
2:18:05
have more context for Us since you lived with her for so long.
2:18:09
Could you maybe tell us why Cindy's uncapable of holding on
2:18:13
to these tenants? Why do they find her?
2:18:16
So repulsive, well she will act like she really is your best
2:18:21
friend and everything. And then she'll get all paranoid
2:18:23
and weird ideas and be say really rude, hateful things to
2:18:28
people. And like with Patricia this nice
2:18:31
older lady, she went and called Patricia's daughter and said
2:18:34
some hateful Things. And then like her daughter, I
2:18:38
believe stop paying for Patricia's car payment.
2:18:42
I'm not sure what all happened, but I know Patricia's and really
2:18:45
nice lady and Julie, supposedly, according to Cindy went off on
2:18:49
her and started yelling at her during a Bible study and which
2:18:54
you're supposed to be praising God, and and Patricia was very
2:18:58
nice and and calming doesn't never lifts.
2:19:01
Her voice never says horrible things.
2:19:03
She backed me up. Concerning the RV.
2:19:06
The man that was one huge thing that basically she had to go and
2:19:14
Cindy, didn't kick her out, but she made sure that Patricia
2:19:18
couldn't financially support being there anymore and had to
2:19:21
go. Oh, I do want to point out and
2:19:24
Stephen, you know, this to be a fact because you were there and
2:19:27
Adam knows this to be a fact. But I told back in the day,
2:19:32
whenever I was interacting with Cindy Lincoln, I allowed her
2:19:37
many, many hours on my show to dispel whatever she wanted to
2:19:42
say, and do whatever she wanted. And I warned her every single
2:19:46
time that my Steve and I said, look, if I let you get out your
2:19:50
side of the story on this. Miss Kent, going to get to tell
2:19:53
his side and anybody that's got a view against you be doing that
2:19:57
and she agreed that they would be okay.
2:19:59
But as soon as I started, allowing the other side to be
2:20:03
told all of a sudden I became an ogre or mutant a bastard, right?
2:20:08
Everything that you can think of.
2:20:10
I turned into the most hideous person.
2:20:12
What kind of person would I be though if I just let one side of
2:20:16
the story cold? Yeah, I gave her days and hours
2:20:20
of my life Joe and I listen to Where I paid attention, I asked
2:20:24
her questions with them. Yep, it's just I feel it's
2:20:27
really unreasonable how she treats people whenever you try
2:20:31
to be fair and reasonable. Yes, yes, I agree.
2:20:35
Well, bread if you remember one of those instances Cindy,
2:20:39
Lincoln's group had about six to eight people on your stream and
2:20:43
they were all running Ken's. Name through the mud and
2:20:46
accusing him of killing everybody.
2:20:48
In their Uncle, bringing up this, this femur bones.
2:20:52
Situation and speculating that it was eye ear.
2:20:55
And I came on the show to try to defend can't before I was even
2:21:00
back in his Camp just so he had someone on his side and they
2:21:05
spoke over me. They shot me down.
2:21:07
They called me now St names. They refuse to have any kind of
2:21:11
defense for Ken to the point where I finally just jumped off
2:21:15
the stream and jumped in the comment section and said, it was
2:21:18
a mock trial and I wanted no part of it.
2:21:21
So yeah, you Totally fair. Brett you gave them ample time
2:21:25
to plead their case and Cindy. Lincoln agreed, I remember
2:21:29
specifically that she agreed to let Kent hovind, come on, also,
2:21:34
and share his side. And when that time, came for
2:21:37
Kent to come defend himself in the United States of America,
2:21:41
where that's the, the given the given idea.
2:21:45
They wouldn't have it. Both Cindy made a big deal out
2:21:48
of it and throw a tantrum and Julie Shunk.
2:21:52
Threw a tantrum and they wanted no part and they thought it was
2:21:55
disgusting. That you were going to let Kent
2:21:57
hovind, come on and defend himself.
2:22:01
The only one from Cindy Lincoln side, who wanted to have Kent,
2:22:05
come on, was marks Tony. You want to know something to
2:22:10
Joanna, you may not know this and some of the newer audience
2:22:13
out there. But whenever I would ask Kent, I
2:22:17
said, Kent, this is killing me. It's breaking my heart.
2:22:19
I do not like hosting shows where I These people just
2:22:23
continuously, drag your good name, through the mud.
2:22:25
Like this, it's bothering me. I'm feeling like, I need to
2:22:29
terminate my channel. Get rid of it.
2:22:31
I'm tired of this and he said, look, if she wants to talk to,
2:22:36
she wants to say her piece. Let her say her piece, not once,
2:22:39
did he tell me to shut her down or not?
2:22:42
Allow her the ability to tell her side, her point, and I think
2:22:46
that's important for people to know the character of the two.
2:22:49
She didn't want him to tell his side but he said, Let her do
2:22:53
whatever she's going to do. So it's important to know that
2:22:58
may I say something. Kind of interesting.
2:23:02
Sure, sure. Okay, I find it interesting that
2:23:07
Cindy has been telling some of my family and friends that and
2:23:13
sending like the video that I recently very very recently did
2:23:20
with with Steve Bolin and as an excuse of why she supposedly
2:23:26
kicked me out because I was evil and on Dr. Hovind side.
2:23:32
And a spy for him and against her the whole time and all this
2:23:37
weird stuff. When look at the dates, my
2:23:40
friends know, in my family know, I left before I did the video
2:23:46
with Steve bowline knot was kicked out after because of it.
2:23:51
Yeah and Johanna could you maybe get us some evidence?
2:23:55
Could you get us some messages from your family of Cindy?
2:23:59
Sending that around because I find it very interesting that
2:24:02
she used the language. This is why I kicked her out
2:24:05
because I have a text message from Nick schunk this morning
2:24:09
and he said that Cindy had nothing NG to do with you
2:24:13
leaving and was not even aware that you were leaving that you
2:24:16
basically flood in the middle of the night.
2:24:18
So next telling me one thing. And you telling me that Cindy
2:24:22
saying she kicked you out, I want to show the as an inch that
2:24:25
their stories are not a Saint. Nick is totally and completely
2:24:30
brainwashed. I don't know.
2:24:32
I believe he loves Julie and he believes it whatever she says.
2:24:35
So if Julie says no I never yelled at Patricia.
2:24:37
No I never would you know Joanna Joanna has got problems and I
2:24:42
Just trying to help her and whatever and and no vandalism
2:24:46
was ever done on the RV unless she did it herself.
2:24:49
If she said, the Moon is green and purple with pink polka dots
2:24:52
and there are rabbits jumping on it writing reindeer, Nick would
2:24:55
say, yes, darling. Whatever you say dear that's sad
2:25:01
because Nick integrity and he's a very honorable man and he's
2:25:06
literally the biblical definition of a Godly husband,
2:25:10
and not only that, but Cindi has Has gotten Nick involved in.
2:25:14
And I mean it's it's kind of fraud to to use the ministry
2:25:19
discount thing at lumber stores and everything else to get, you
2:25:22
know, hundreds of dollars off with with his business and with
2:25:26
her personal expenses on her cabins and her rental
2:25:29
properties. When she hates that, the, the
2:25:31
ministry and bad-mouths it, she shouldn't be getting the
2:25:35
discount and neither should he? Oof, that's rough.
2:25:42
So Adam this will probably make him chuckle.
2:25:45
He was it when I say this, what do we got?
2:25:47
And see what we got II? Don't have anything to add.
2:25:53
I do want to make clear though, since I'm in this conversation,
2:25:56
I don't really aligned with the whole Pro Kent hovind thing.
2:25:59
I think that the obviously, the Chris Jones Scandal and all that
2:26:03
makes it kind of Ruins the whole kind of thing.
2:26:07
I don't, I don't think that that's redeemable in any way,
2:26:10
but I am just kind of trying to be friendly with everyone
2:26:13
involved. Outside of can't himself in any
2:26:17
child rapists, and things like that, but I just kind of wanted
2:26:20
to chime in and say, hey to Brett and well, I understand
2:26:23
your feelings and your thoughts on that.
2:26:25
Adam, I really do. And I think that in the future
2:26:28
that not only should Kanto, then be an example of this, but all
2:26:32
churches in America or anywhere around the world, World, you
2:26:36
need to get filters. You need to get people who look
2:26:39
into people's past before you ask them about a or bring them
2:26:43
into the fingers. Too many people that get abused
2:26:47
and hurt, and all that. And I understand that Ken's is
2:26:50
not technically Savvy. I understand that he's so busy
2:26:53
doing a lot of things that he can't pay attention everything.
2:26:57
But he's got to get some people who can filter out some of the
2:27:00
filter that comes in there, not just to protect the people
2:27:04
there, but But also to protect himself from poisons cookies and
2:27:08
being assassinated folk for his own damn good.
2:27:13
Yeah, and I want to touch on something just briefly that Adam
2:27:17
had just said, and I hate this topic and I know that Kent hates
2:27:22
it. But in relation to the Chris
2:27:25
Jones thing, I don't think people understand that Kent is a
2:27:31
forgiving man to a flaw. I mean, Johanna and myself
2:27:35
sitting here, right now is a testimony to that, because both
2:27:38
of us had made a long time. I'm career out of trying to
2:27:43
destroy him and on the drop of a hat, he forgave both of us and
2:27:47
treated us with love. And no matter what your crime is
2:27:51
that's what can tries to do. Now, the situation that he
2:27:55
opened himself up to was sticky and I think it was ignorant,
2:28:00
even, but can also agrees with that, and I just want to put
2:28:03
their out for the record and then I will hopefully move on
2:28:07
from this situation and I don't care to ever address it again
2:28:10
but Chris Jones. Jones is not invited at dinosaur
2:28:13
Adventure Land. He doesn't live near dinosaur
2:28:16
Adventure Land and that will never be an issue again so
2:28:20
whether someone thinks that the situations that have already
2:28:24
happened are redeemable or not. I understand I'm not going to
2:28:26
try to change your mind. However, these situations will
2:28:30
never happen again because Ken has taken ownership and made
2:28:34
sure that these protection mechanisms are in place now.
2:28:38
Very good when I've actually heard.
2:28:40
Kent actually say these things himself that he's going to put
2:28:44
forth the effort in order to make sure things like this.
2:28:47
Don't happen again and I get it I get it.
2:28:49
The Christian faith that says that we have to forgive and we
2:28:53
have to allow people to be able to make that transformation and
2:28:56
all that. And I'm glad to hear that.
2:28:59
It's all over on that. I wanted to mention something
2:29:04
kind of in defense of, I mean, I'm not saying that that, that
2:29:09
body that, I mean, the dog was hungry and he and, you know, on
2:29:14
a stinky body is like a juicy thing.
2:29:17
That a rooster we had before, dug up a stinking rat and
2:29:21
thought, you know, was was this is delicious and he was crowing
2:29:24
and happy to get it and calling his little favorite hand to come
2:29:28
over and share it with them. I mean, in the sky, think in the
2:29:31
state of AMA least Cindy said, I don't know, but she said that
2:29:35
the body was probably buried there for years and just had,
2:29:41
you know, it took a long time for the jeans to Decay and that
2:29:45
it was first. I mean, that's what she said
2:29:48
after we found out, it was in Zaire.
2:29:50
First it was definitely Zaire. And Chris Jones did it and I was
2:29:54
horrified and so is Mark's Tony and a lot of us believe that was
2:29:58
what it was but after that she was telling me that.
2:30:01
Oh yeah, it was. Probably someone buried, you
2:30:04
know, the, their relative or whatever, because you can do
2:30:07
that in Alabama and save money instead of putting it in the
2:30:09
cemeteries and, you know, yeah, I don't know, I don't know the
2:30:14
laws here, that's that's possible.
2:30:17
My have to ask you Steven as well as Joanna.
2:30:20
This place is filled with zoo animals, right?
2:30:23
I mean, I've seen dowel and they got like giant Birds giant
2:30:26
creatures all this kind of stuff, you know, I'm not some
2:30:31
kind of CSI Agent here something I love the show.
2:30:34
But how do you guys know that it was a, that was even a human
2:30:38
bone to begin with. Like it wasn't it was on Cindy's
2:30:44
property at Paws Mara not at Dal.
2:30:48
Because I was renting in the RV Park.
2:30:52
In the, I was walking argue and the two bodies at Nick and
2:30:57
Julie's that the person mentioned in Kent, opens
2:31:00
meeting, ask them about the two, bodies at Nick and Julie's
2:31:03
house. They're buying a place from
2:31:05
Cindy. That also is her property.
2:31:07
Like, I do. And he's got dead bodies,
2:31:10
curious. So, let me just, let me just
2:31:14
clarify a couple things. Yeah, yeah.
2:31:17
Because they said down the street from NYX and that
2:31:20
recording, right, exactly. I was Going to touch on that
2:31:22
all, oh, Adam. So there are in no way bodies
2:31:25
and they can Julie's backyard. There was a body found down the
2:31:29
road from Nick and Julie's. And that would make sense, guys.
2:31:32
I live 15minutes, from Dal, and we live in the dirty south.
2:31:37
And this is the kind of place in the Old South where there's
2:31:41
literally one share of on duty at a time and it's the wild
2:31:45
west. So, yeah, at the time where the
2:31:49
Zaire incident was going on, and It was instrumental in trying to
2:31:53
get some closure to that as well as Adam lore and even marks
2:31:57
Tony. I knew right away that the femur
2:32:01
bone, if it was a femur bone, I never saw it.
2:32:04
So I can't say, I knew it couldn't have been zaire's,
2:32:08
because the time didn't add up. There wasn't enough time between
2:32:11
the visit of Zaire and the decay of that bone for it to be him.
2:32:17
There was just no way possible. You're right.
2:32:20
The timeframe where Sunday purchased that property.
2:32:24
It it could have been any number of people who buried a body
2:32:29
somewhere in the yard. So if it was a human body, it
2:32:33
probably I would say positively was not related to Ken or Cindy
2:32:39
or anyone in the dinosaur Adventure, Land.
2:32:42
Sega Proverbs, let me ask you something real quick cuz U
2:32:45
actually been around owl and both you and Joanne apparently.
2:32:50
If seen the Moment, how easy is that to?
2:32:54
If one wanted to one was motivated to just walk up to
2:32:59
some random person off and the doll.
2:33:01
Take a shovel. Smack them in the head to him in
2:33:03
the back of the trunk and then go to that big ol hole.
2:33:06
You guys were talking about how hard would that be to do without
2:33:11
people noticing? I heard you say, it was a wild
2:33:13
west down there, but with all those people and all those
2:33:17
animals is that even possible. So we're talking about three
2:33:22
different properties. Right.
2:33:24
Okay. So in Linux, you have dinosaur
2:33:28
Adventure Land which is on Pearl Lane.
2:33:30
About a quarter of a mile down / Lane.
2:33:34
You have Cindy, Lincoln's, one of Cindy, Lincoln's old rental
2:33:38
properties, which is where Johanna stayed.
2:33:41
This is where all the femur bone incident happened, and then in
2:33:45
the town next to Linux, which is like maybe 15 minutes away, Is
2:33:50
where Cindy Lincoln lives. Now, this is where Steve The
2:33:53
Tech Guy used to live. And that's where the whole on
2:33:57
the corner of the property. Is so these are three distinct
2:34:01
different properties. Basically, to answer your
2:34:04
question, Brett, you would have to be a magician to kill someone
2:34:07
at Dal and get them all the way to Cindy's property or you'd
2:34:11
have to have everyone at Dal in on it and I just don't see that
2:34:15
happening. That's rough.
2:34:18
That's rough. Hey, Brett, just real quick
2:34:22
earlier. You're asking how would they
2:34:24
know that it's a human? How would you know, is human
2:34:26
remains? Is isn't the main reason is not
2:34:30
just, it looks like a human femur bone, but it literally has
2:34:33
the clothes. The clothes?
2:34:34
Still on it, right? Like it's a, yes, yes.
2:34:35
I don't know very many animals that wear jeans.
2:34:38
Another wouldn't be jeans on a animal bone so it was close.
2:34:45
Not that I've seen. Okay, so I wasn't aware that I
2:34:51
Femur bone has a very distinct shape or size, so I got a lot of
2:34:56
flak for bringing this up before and I've got a lot of criticism
2:34:59
for even like asking about, you know, people are digging holes,
2:35:02
they're finding human remains like there, definitely are
2:35:06
holes. We've confirmed that you guys
2:35:07
would all agree on that. There's definitely human remains
2:35:11
like that's that's something that we all agree on.
2:35:14
Well, I had only heard about like, a, the firmer bone or
2:35:18
whatever that they were talking about how the dog.
2:35:20
Magna. I didn't know what was wearing
2:35:23
jeans and clothes and all that kind of stuff.
2:35:27
Yeah, the funny part though, is guys, and you, and I never got
2:35:31
to talk Adam or I would have brought this up, you know, back
2:35:34
months ago when all this was going on.
2:35:37
But the femur bone that was found a supposed to be
2:35:40
associated with Kent hovind was found on Cindy Lincoln's
2:35:44
property and the giant hole is found on Cindy Lincoln's
2:35:49
property, but all These things found on Cindy.
2:35:52
Lincoln's property was somehow construed into being related to
2:35:56
Kent hovind. I always found that baffling,
2:35:59
right? And wasn't it though, because
2:36:02
before we knew about Zaire, that he was alive, and there's no
2:36:08
possibility of that being him. Wasn't he?
2:36:10
There on the same property that is now Cindy's property during
2:36:15
that time period as yes, why it's connected to that like,
2:36:18
those remains were found, right? So, I think that that might be a
2:36:22
big part of it, but now in retrospect, we know it's like,
2:36:25
okay, this isn't as I your thing but it's still Kind of.
2:36:28
Yeah. I mean there have been a lot and
2:36:35
and what you just said is accurate in the conversation.
2:36:42
She had said that she was given food by Cindy and it made her
2:36:46
super sick. And there was also an incident
2:36:48
where 60 days to food, she cooks and food for Kent and Kent, got
2:36:53
really sick, and he's a pretty healthy guy.
2:36:56
Now, we're sitting here talking about it.
2:36:58
Body on her property. I mean, who's to say?
2:37:01
She didn't give somebody some poisonous cookies.
2:37:03
Like what you guys are talking about?
2:37:05
She's big into Assassins, right? This was this was on the
2:37:10
property that she owns now but it was before she owned it.
2:37:14
Correct. Also, it was right at the newer,
2:37:22
okay, right. But but again, with the decay of
2:37:26
the body, it would have been impossible to be related to
2:37:29
Cindy or can because from what you guys have described, it was
2:37:33
a very old and decayed bone with decayed jeans.
2:37:37
It I don't even know if Cindy was there for that long.
2:37:41
I don't know what Ken was that. Yeah.
2:37:44
The bone wasn't like yellow the bone was more white.
2:37:48
So I mean I really don't know anything about age of Bones and
2:37:52
if they would be more yellow if they were older, or if they
2:37:55
would be more white, if they were hadn't been in the ground
2:37:58
as much, I really don't know. Oh, but I know that it looked
2:38:02
like it was more white than yellow.
2:38:08
And the jeans were black in color.
2:38:11
The body was either a like that of a woman of short woman or, or
2:38:16
a child. I have a question to touch on
2:38:22
something. You brought up earlier, Johanna,
2:38:25
you mentioned that you actually called the police department and
2:38:29
tipped them off to some of the stuff that was going on was
2:38:32
Cindy Lincoln. I was wondering if you could
2:38:35
tell us one how long ago that was and to would it be possible
2:38:39
for you to contact them and get some kind of physical tangible
2:38:44
evidence that they did take that information down.
2:38:51
Well, I have it on my cell phone that I called them, I mean, it
2:38:55
shows up the number but they said they asked me if I wanted
2:38:59
to press charges or go and, and sign papers.
2:39:03
I said, no, we drove all day and got there.
2:39:06
The next? I mean, we drove all night and
2:39:08
got there. The next day.
2:39:09
I'm a long ways away. I can't, I don't have a car.
2:39:11
There's no way I could do that, and I'm not trying to cause
2:39:14
trouble for Cindy. I just want to make you aware
2:39:17
that. Um, there's some very disturbing
2:39:20
events going on and I don't want her neighbor ended up getting
2:39:24
hurt because she feels he's watching her or or whatever and
2:39:29
has cameras on her or any of the stuff that she really seems to
2:39:34
believe that people are against her.
2:39:36
And she wants to do violence to them.
2:39:38
I was in a vehicle with her on three different occasions where
2:39:41
she jerked the wheel and would have ran off the road and
2:39:45
smashed and she She screamed. I want to die.
2:39:50
Don't you? Want to die?
2:39:51
Joanna. Let's die.
2:39:53
And I push the vehicle. I mean, I pushed the grab the
2:39:56
wheel. She got mad at me.
2:39:58
I said no, Cindy, no. Oh, I don't want to die.
2:40:04
And she was listening to a video that you had you Steven, I
2:40:09
believe it was a video that you had made and Kent or Brett or
2:40:13
some anyway it was a video and she was I said you shouldn't
2:40:16
listen to those when you're driving it, upsets you.
2:40:21
You guys need to make you Stevens, right?
2:40:24
You guys need to make sure that the information is documented
2:40:27
all that, even if you have to recall because of the nature of
2:40:31
this crime that we're talking about, this is there's no
2:40:35
limitation. If you really feel like Kent may
2:40:38
be in trouble here or the dowel workers, you should probably
2:40:42
call. I told her I asked I asked them
2:40:45
to please make a note of it and they said that they did.
2:40:49
Then that was about three days ago, two or three days ago, I
2:40:55
guess? I could try could call again.
2:40:58
But again I was I'm not going to press charges concerning the RV
2:41:02
even though she has Insurance Joanna.
2:41:05
Whenever you go to it's not just for his safety and all that.
2:41:08
But it's also for your safety. You need to be able to have this
2:41:12
documentation when you go to court because they're going to
2:41:14
probably ask you the same thing. You're going to say.
2:41:17
No I don't. I don't I don't I'm going to
2:41:20
court, I don't want to try to, I'm not trying to prosecute
2:41:23
Cindy. And anyway, now I just talking
2:41:26
about it to go to It doesn't ask me to testify for him.
2:41:36
That's because we have a lot of irons in the fire right now and
2:41:41
the word from people in the know is that this case is going to be
2:41:45
completely thrown out one for lack of evidence to, for
2:41:48
Cindy's, erratic behavior, and three for a whole slew of
2:41:51
aggravation Plus on the off chance, it does get that far.
2:41:58
Yeah, we would sure love your support.
2:42:01
I'd be happy to support you. I like I said, I have no car.
2:42:05
No way of getting to the court or anything.
2:42:10
I'm almost broke. I'm not this professional
2:42:13
mentally ill scammer. That's never been in Hawaii.
2:42:17
Never had a Hawaii business, never worked for United
2:42:20
Healthcare or the Department of Education, and who gets her
2:42:23
money scamming. And having her moment in the
2:42:25
spotlight on radio shows, like Cindy's friends have been
2:42:28
saying. I've never been A on a radio
2:42:31
show, other than this one and yours.
2:42:34
Stephen. And I'm, I am not mentally ill,
2:42:41
the United Healthcare and Department of education's, very
2:42:44
picky about who they hire. Right, right?
2:42:48
But Steven is right. If it doesn't get this mist and
2:42:52
it turns into a thing, I'll be happy to write a statement.
2:42:57
I'd be happy to write a statement and I don't know if I
2:43:00
mean, I don't know how I can't, I don't want to mail it to them
2:43:04
because I don't want to endanger my elderly lady friend that I'm
2:43:08
staying at. I don't want to.
2:43:09
Yeah, anybody may have some friends to know the town I'm in.
2:43:14
Or near send you my address in private chat or on text message
2:43:19
and if you could write up that statement for us, yeah, and mail
2:43:23
it to me personally have it notarized, some places will do
2:43:26
that for free. And then mail it to me,
2:43:28
personally, I'll make sure it gets to Kent and also, I would
2:43:32
strongly encourage you to do what bread advise call the
2:43:36
police department back. You can file a report without
2:43:40
pressing charges, that's just telling the court.
2:43:45
They said that there's no way I can do that.
2:43:50
I cannot be there and I can't get there in person.
2:43:53
It was hard enough to get here. I mean, I basically had to run.
2:43:58
I believed for my own safety. With my son's cats and my cat.
2:44:05
I feel so sorry, for the little kitties, I was feeding and
2:44:09
buying food for that. I had to leave because she
2:44:11
doesn't feed them. And basically said she wants
2:44:14
some around for snake control. When I told her natural ways of
2:44:19
you just don't do that. I mean, I her cat almost died by
2:44:22
a snake, b b before she won't, even take it to the vet.
2:44:26
Even, I've got an idea for you and in case he finds herself,
2:44:30
elf Limited in a resources to be able to get through on this my
2:44:35
videos. Every time I do a video, they
2:44:37
transfer over to Odyssey and it gives people the ability who are
2:44:40
subscribed to that channel to be able to download, so you can
2:44:44
download. And you actually have her
2:44:46
verbally speaking about the saarne there.
2:44:49
So she can't show up for court. You have Joanna right here right
2:44:54
now talking and I can be used and obviously right now I am
2:44:59
telling you that you can Publicly and have permission to
2:45:03
use my content for whatever is required in this.
2:45:06
All right, Stephen. All right.
2:45:09
Thank you for that, Brett. And also, just a quick thing,
2:45:12
missing mod is messaging me on messenger and she's coaching me
2:45:16
on some things and I just, I can't respond to her obviously,
2:45:20
because I'm on this live chat. So I wanted to let her know that
2:45:23
I do, see your messages. And I agree with you and thank
2:45:26
you for the advice. You need to teach her how to
2:45:29
click a link and use them. Microphone.
2:45:35
That's the thing, Brett, she knows how to use a microphone.
2:45:38
She's made some amazing comeback videos responding to some of the
2:45:42
stuff that marks Tony has released.
2:45:45
So she's really without excuse, she's got a nice radio voice.
2:45:48
She's a nice godly woman. She's very friendly personable.
2:45:52
I don't know why she won't come on, she talks, highly of you all
2:45:56
the time. Oh, I know she's makes very
2:46:00
friendly comments and he's a very informative.
2:46:04
I don't know why, but for a while back, I used to think that
2:46:08
I was just being trolled or goofed.
2:46:10
It was hard for me to believe this.
2:46:12
Somebody just love me that much. So what else we got, folks?
2:46:24
Anything else that you guys want to share, but I wanted to, I
2:46:27
wanted to, I wanted to add that voltage, Julie, and Cindy know
2:46:34
that I am a heart patient. And that I have to pace myself.
2:46:39
And what I do? I do old awful lot, I did a lot
2:46:42
of landscaping for her for free. I was doing cooking for her and
2:46:48
other things. What hurts my heart?
2:46:50
The most is when somebody That I loved and tried to help says,
2:46:55
I'm lying. I vandalized my own RV, my son's
2:46:58
RV and constantly harasses. My my daughter used to be on a
2:47:02
heart and breathing monitor and she had said, please don't
2:47:06
bother me. My son-in-law said, please
2:47:08
please leave me and my family alone and but like she wouldn't
2:47:13
leave Sandra's family alone. She just kept pushing and Julie,
2:47:16
kept pushing and even Nick All of them, bothering my family and
2:47:21
stressing me out and making me have to lose my job.
2:47:25
My only my only means of livelihood at the time and then
2:47:30
trying to destroy my reputation and even trying to go to the
2:47:32
point of Julie insisting, Joanna, I'll take you to help
2:47:37
you get, you know, literally crazy pay and give it to Cindy.
2:47:43
I'm like no, I'm not going to say I did this to the RV.
2:47:46
I'm not going to say, hey, I'm Crazy.
2:47:49
I'm not going to say Cindy said, you better not say that in court
2:47:53
about when I said, she hit her husband in front of her mom and
2:47:57
swore at him, when he just said, give me a hug and she said, well
2:48:00
that was gas lighting. That was provoking.
2:48:02
He said that saw Fleet of really provoked her, I don't know.
2:48:07
I've said, give me a hug before two people.
2:48:08
Wasn't threatening. I mean, right.
2:48:13
Hey, Jeff bandura was saying earlier that she to
2:48:17
unfortunately has been her. Asked, I don't know if you heard
2:48:20
that Adam, but Sandra Hoban actually said that Cindy.
2:48:23
Lincoln contacted her family, her friends are kids, who all
2:48:28
the, and speaking sexual in nature, to one of them.
2:48:32
And also, some other, some pretty nasty despicable stuff.
2:48:37
Yes. And Cindy was yeah, yeah, yes,
2:48:42
hmm. And have to be skeptical on
2:48:44
that, but Joanna, can ask you real quick.
2:48:45
Um, I think I'm sure it's this earlier.
2:48:48
So you You and Cindy were getting along really well.
2:48:51
And then you guys have had a light goes on for no, actually,
2:48:55
we weren't. Oh, you weren't okay.
2:48:58
Actually tell me, Cindy, Cindy would tell me that she, that we
2:49:05
were friends. And that I was her sister and
2:49:07
that she wanted me to, never get married and live there forever.
2:49:10
And she wanted to support me as a missionary and all this other
2:49:14
stuff and yet she would tell other people know, Joanna.
2:49:18
Is this how one less person that I'm helping or Joanna?
2:49:24
Is this person that used to take care of my mom?
2:49:27
She was a carrot, my mother's caregiver she said on her
2:49:30
YouTube video with her mother she said nothing about me being
2:49:33
her friend. Okay, sorry let me reword that
2:49:37
because I miss stated what I was trying to say is so there's been
2:49:41
a recent shift where you were against Kent hovind and now
2:49:45
you're like, you kind of, I don't know how assembler way.
2:49:48
It's just you kind of switch sized in here.
2:49:52
Well, Cindy told me why don't you go live at Dal?
2:49:56
Why doesn't Sandy give you rides to work?
2:49:59
I was paying her $20 a day for going 10 miles to bring me to
2:50:03
work at Dollar General and pick me up.
2:50:05
And then, Julie started giving me rides and saying that the
2:50:08
reason she was giving me rides, as because my family hated me,
2:50:11
and that she had talked to them, and they believed all this weird
2:50:14
sexual stuff about me. And that I was saying to them,
2:50:17
that they were saying I was having sex with Nathan and I
2:50:20
said, what are you talking about?
2:50:21
I never ever. I said that I said I didn't want
2:50:24
to move into Cindy's main house where Nathan was a rental renter
2:50:29
and live. With some man, I said for
2:50:31
appearances sake as a Christian I didn't want people saying
2:50:35
stuff that did not that was in no end and then Julie said no,
2:50:38
you said to my face and I hadn't even seen her to say it to her
2:50:41
face. I had said it to Cindy not to
2:50:44
sew, but she kept insisting and going on and on, like, when she
2:50:48
was attacking Patricia in front of Cindy, at the Bible study,
2:50:52
Cynthia told me about and they had they had almost not been
2:50:56
friends anymore over it because Patricia so sweet nice.
2:50:59
She's an elderly woman and former renter of Cindy's.
2:51:04
See, according to Joanna earlier in the conversation, she was
2:51:08
unfortunately found herself at a disadvantage, she was in a kind
2:51:12
of a trap location with Cindy and she didn't really have a way
2:51:17
to be able to get away or do something about it.
2:51:20
So she kind of had to put up with Cindy and Bide your time
2:51:23
before. Yeah.
2:51:24
It was yeah, yeah. So before she could actually
2:51:27
tell the truth about what was happening you don't like her.
2:51:33
Yes. So there ya them.
2:51:36
Alright, yeah, thank you. Sorry.
2:51:37
If I were to that in a frustrating way, I did it
2:51:39
agitate but I just kind of Miss McKenna.
2:51:44
Okay, let me add something, please let me out.
2:51:47
I'm sorry. I don't want to speak over
2:51:49
anybody, but I'm just trying to remember things.
2:51:56
Cindy said some disturbing things when I said, how come you
2:52:00
tell me that I'm your best friend and then you Julie says,
2:52:04
she's your best friend and I said and then you introduce me
2:52:08
as your caregiver or for your mom that your former caregiver
2:52:12
for your mom or your star witness, or some homeless Street
2:52:16
horror that you're trying to help from Pensacola Florida when
2:52:19
you said cat was telling everybody on the internet and
2:52:22
giving my number out and saying that before. and use that to
2:52:26
turn me against him and shocked me because I'm a, I might be a
2:52:31
lot of things, but I'm not that and I and people that are in,
2:52:34
that unfortunate situation need our prayers, and help because
2:52:38
Jesus even had compassion over over the harlots that repented
2:52:44
and said that they were going to get to heaven before the
2:52:47
religious Hypocrites were Stephen, I know you're a busy
2:52:52
guy and all that, but you may want to take some time to go
2:52:56
into private with Joanne some time and really sit down and
2:53:00
have her write all this out this information, or at least type it
2:53:04
out of the notepad everything. Because it seems like there's so
2:53:08
much has happened. I can see how it would be
2:53:11
difficult to be able to do the time.
2:53:14
Remember this just, you know, on the draw and everything, write
2:53:18
it down, type it out. But time got 15 pages so far.
2:53:25
Yeah well Johanna I did talk to you privately earlier this
2:53:30
morning and I did advise you to write these things down and to
2:53:35
my knowledge you did. And you probably have a lot more
2:53:38
that is on your list. You could go over with us now,
2:53:41
but if you ever do need to reach out and talk one-on-one, I'm
2:53:45
perfectly fine with that. I am an ordained minister if you
2:53:49
need prayer, if you need some Counseling.
2:53:51
I am open to you. So you have that open invitation
2:54:19
Until you make them your friend, Brett.
2:54:22
I hear you there. Yeah, and and honestly Brett,
2:54:26
I've never met this woman in my life.
2:54:29
She got to be a l after I had already left.
2:54:33
Yeah, I just I have a heart for people and I show compassion to
2:54:38
everyone that accepts it. So you know, she's a friend now
2:54:42
and anyone else in a similar situation like she is, I would
2:54:46
consider a friend and do whatever I could to help and I
2:54:49
have a soft heart for her because I was in a similar
2:54:52
situation with her, you know, defending Cindy Lincoln and
2:54:58
contorting my own stories to help devastate, Kent hovind.
2:55:02
So I just have a soft spot for her but no.
2:55:05
We actually, we don't know each other.
2:55:07
I know you better than I know. Her Brett, that's rough.
2:55:11
Steven, what are you doing nowadays, though?
2:55:14
I haven't, I haven't asked you this.
2:55:16
But are you back at doll or you somewhere else?
2:55:19
I mean, what's going on with your life?
2:55:21
Life, if it's not too personal. I live a couple towns away from
2:55:27
Dal. I live in Bruton and it's about
2:55:30
15 20 minutes from Dal, so I go there on Sundays, I'm working in
2:55:36
Brew in. I'm a tech support agent, just
2:55:39
going to church and trying to be a good father.
2:55:42
And spending time in the word and focusing on the YouTube
2:55:47
channel, and I have a wonderful girlfriend and she gets all the
2:55:51
remaining energy and time I have and that that pretty much sums
2:55:55
up my life. I go to work, I come home.
2:55:57
I talked to my girlfriend, I tried a dad and you know that's
2:56:01
my day-to-day Brett, Will you guys know that I'm gonna try at
2:56:06
least every three or four days or maybe five to do like a live
2:56:10
show and I'll always put the public link out there.
2:56:13
I'll make sure that we don't get any asshats and looking forward
2:56:17
to everybody actually coming in and hopefully we can have more
2:56:20
positive conversations because yeah, it does.
2:56:24
Yes, right now we're having a conversation to causes anxiety
2:56:28
and, and scary stuff is being said and all that, but there's
2:56:32
so many different subjects, and topics we can handle.
2:56:35
We're going on three hours. Is there any last things that
2:56:39
anybody want to share before I shut it down?
2:56:41
And remember if you subscribe, Joanna, you'll get a
2:56:45
notification. Letting you know whenever I'm
2:56:47
about to go live so you can always attend.
2:56:51
Yeah, so brand, I talked. Out this earlier actually.
2:56:55
And you know we agreed that we definitely don't want You know,
2:57:02
last time, Brett had his show, he was helping and trying to
2:57:07
mediate and it just spun out of control and turned into an
2:57:11
endless cycle of drama related, to Kent hovind and we very much
2:57:16
don't want that. So we kind of both agreed that
2:57:19
this would be a great time for you to are everything you wanted
2:57:23
to are and that would just make it easier going forward to focus
2:57:27
on the gospel and spreading the gospel and destroying evolution.
2:57:32
So are there other items on your list that you want to go on?
2:57:36
So this would be the stream to get it off your chest.
2:57:45
Not really. All right, in the future for
2:57:50
those out there wondering what the desire is going forward to
2:57:54
having to do with any of the subjects and topics.
2:57:57
Honestly, I wanted to end. I wanted it to stop a year ago
2:58:01
but because of the nature of Joanna being a star witness and
2:58:05
also actually having a relationship with all the people
2:58:08
Associated. I felt it was very important for
2:58:11
her to allow her side. To be told on this, but I try to
2:58:16
make God TV more about out positive things and helping
2:58:20
people and you know, discussing religion and Science and History
2:58:24
and we try to be entertaining and fun.
2:58:27
And sometimes we use colorful language that really, really
2:58:30
triggers our friend. Stephen.
2:58:32
But we will work on it. Oh Brett, thanks for.
2:58:39
All right, let anything else anybody want to share.
2:58:45
Did you guys know that Jesus was a Jew?
2:58:57
That's All She Wrote, Brett.