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Houston mom disappears after dropping toddler at babysitter - Help us find Maria · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Twenty nine year old Maria
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Speaker 1: Jamenez Rodriguez was last seen on Texarcanas Street in Northeast
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Speaker 1: Houston Thursday morning, and today Cruz from Texas Equi Search
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Speaker 1: started their efforts to find her until she dropped her
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Speaker 1: three year old off of the babysitter's house across the
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Speaker 1: street and then disappeared. Her family says that's out of character,
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Speaker 1: the same with her not showing up for work on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: The only clue so far is Maria's vehicle that was
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Speaker 1: found early Friday morning. Texas Equis Search volunteers began their
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Speaker 1: frantic search on foots and on wheels. We've gathered here
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Speaker 1: to search from my sister wish and I'm hoping that
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Speaker 1: she is found alive and well and just to come home.
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Speaker 1: A beautiful young, twenty nine year old mom seemingly drops
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Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. Where is Maria? I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. The search is going on right now for
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Speaker 1: the twenty nine year old mom and joining me her
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Speaker 1: sister Gloria leading the search, a man who has dedicated
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Speaker 1: his life to finding the missing Tim Miller with Equa
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Speaker 1: sarch forensics expert Karen Smith, forensics psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: renowned criminal defense attorney in multiple jurisdictions. Jason Oceans and
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com reporter Lee Egan as always with
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Speaker 1: me and Jackie Howard here in the studio, straight out.
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Speaker 1: First to Tim Miller, the leader of EQUA Search. Tim,
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Speaker 1: how did you get called in on the case of
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Speaker 1: missing Maria Imenez? Well, actually, Houston Police Department called me,
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Speaker 1: except please feel has always been a case. Sure it
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Speaker 1: would like you to kind of take a look at.
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Speaker 1: And I went up and I actually called Gloria, went
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Speaker 1: up and met whether he got all the details of
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Speaker 1: the of the disappearance, her sister's disappearance, and it was
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Speaker 1: pretty obvious early on that something has happened. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on that with you, Tim Miller.
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Speaker 1: Tim Miller, leader of Equasearch, saying it was very obvious
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Speaker 1: something was wrong, and I agree. Three. Maria last seen
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Speaker 1: early in the morning at eight am, when, like so
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Speaker 1: many of us, she leaves home for the law firm
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Speaker 1: where she works as a pair illegal. On her way
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Speaker 1: to the law firm, she drops off her three year
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Speaker 1: old little girl at the next door neighbor's house, then
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Speaker 1: came home to get her gem bag and a purse.
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Speaker 1: You know, she sounds very orderly and methodical to me.
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Speaker 1: Joining me. Also in addition to Equasearch leader Tim Miller,
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Speaker 1: is Maria's sister, Glory. Gloria, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: It's my understanding. Your sister has never disappeared before. She
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Speaker 1: has never disappeared before. This is the first time this
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Speaker 1: has happened. You know, I'm thinking through Gloria. I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: through her being such an organized person when you're juggling
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Speaker 1: a demanding job like working at a law firm, and
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Speaker 1: you're taking care of your three year old little girl
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Speaker 1: at the same time, dropping her off on time, circling
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Speaker 1: back to the house to get a gem bag and
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Speaker 1: all of her things to take to work. Let me
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Speaker 1: ask you this, Gloria, do we know that she ever
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Speaker 1: made it out of the house. Yeah, she did. Why
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Speaker 1: do you know that? Because the vehicle was not here,
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Speaker 1: she left, She got on her vehicle, she closed her
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Speaker 1: gates from her house, and she left. How do you
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Speaker 1: know it was her riding the car driving the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: I am not one hundred percent sure that that was her,
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Speaker 1: But is there anybody in the home Gloria that saw
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Speaker 1: her leave that morning with her gem bag? And yeah, okay, great,
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Speaker 1: ye who saw her? My brother? Okay, your brother is there? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I understand, So Maria definitely was spotted. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to create a timeline. That's where I'm going
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Speaker 1: with this with me, Maria's sister, Gloria, Tim Miller, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Boberg, Jason Oceans, and Lee Egan Gloria back to
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Speaker 1: you again. I'm trying to just establish that timeline so
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Speaker 1: we know their eyes on Maria when she comes back
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Speaker 1: to the home to get her gem bag and her pocketbook,
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Speaker 1: she leaves for work. That's around eight am. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: That is correct? Did she speak to anybody from the
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Speaker 1: car en route to work? I don't know. The only
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Speaker 1: thing I do know is at eight thirty is my
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Speaker 1: brother text her to tell her regarding the package there
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Speaker 1: were It's just a random of texts that they would
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Speaker 1: speak to each other. I think he needed to pick
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Speaker 1: up a package from the postal or he needed to
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Speaker 1: drop off I'm not sure which one, but he did
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Speaker 1: text her and she texts back seeing I think the
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Speaker 1: postal off wasn't open at that time yet. Okay, So,
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Speaker 1: but I don't I'm not concerned right now. I'm out
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Speaker 1: the intricacies of that text. And I'll tell you why
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Speaker 1: the reason I'm not concerned about it. To Jason Ocean's
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, you know the deal. I know who's
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Speaker 1: texting back and forth. I know she's getting a text
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Speaker 1: from her brother and she's riding back because she understands
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Speaker 1: Jason Ocean the context of what he's saying. If somebody
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Speaker 1: had her phone Jason at that time, they wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: able to respond coherently. They would either not respond or
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Speaker 1: just put okay or something like that. So I know
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Speaker 1: she's alive at that time, right because she's texting coherently
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Speaker 1: in the conversation back to the cope coherently, and she's
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Speaker 1: saying the ups isn't open yet, all right? Fine. So
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Speaker 1: I also believe she gets to work Gloria with me,
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Speaker 1: Maria's sister, Gloria. Are their eyes on her at work?
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Speaker 1: Is she's seen at work that day? No? Oh, there
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Speaker 1: you go, because listen to this, listen to this. I
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Speaker 1: know this. I know she leaves the house to drive
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Speaker 1: to the office. Then she texts a coworker saying she
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Speaker 1: would be late. That didn't raise any flags at first, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Then later the same coworker receives a text saying that
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Speaker 1: Maria was headed back to the neighbor to pick up
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Speaker 1: her daughter because the daughter wasn't feeling well. Did that
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Speaker 1: really come from Maria? Gloria? Is the three Was the
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Speaker 1: three year old girl really sick? No? Not that day?
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Speaker 1: There it is right there to Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: Karen right there, that is the beginning of the timeline
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Speaker 1: in my mind, and it also tells me, Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: that whoever did this may very well know her because
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Speaker 1: they knew a co worker to contact to say I'm
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Speaker 1: going to be late, and then a coworker to contact
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Speaker 1: to say I gotta go pick up my daughter. Somebody
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Speaker 1: that knows she has a daughter, or body just looking
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Speaker 1: at her cell phone, Karen Smith, like my screensavers the twins,
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Speaker 1: somebody would probably know those are my children if they
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Speaker 1: looked at the pictures that say, all the pictures that
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Speaker 1: I take, all the time of us together. So what
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Speaker 1: can you tell me, you're the forensics expert about what
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Speaker 1: we know so far. For those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old woman is missing with me,
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Speaker 1: her sister, Gloria, and Tim Miller with equisearch Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert. Way in that cell phone is it's such
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Speaker 1: a critical piece of evidence and your right if this
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Speaker 1: does turn out to be some type of foul play,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be someone she knows and knows her well,
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Speaker 1: knows her habits. This does not feel like a crime
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Speaker 1: of opportunity. This reads like a planned thing. And you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe she was possibly followed her stalks. Police are going
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Speaker 1: to have to dig into her personal history to find
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Speaker 1: out who Maria was associating with or possibly dating or
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Speaker 1: meeting her co workers, her acquaintances. Was she using a
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Speaker 1: dating site, had she revealed details about herself online? Possibly?
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Speaker 1: These are things that are going to be critical. And
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Speaker 1: on the thing about the cell phone, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk about these mobile positioning systems triangulation in other ways,
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Speaker 1: they can find out where that cellphone was at a
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Speaker 1: point in time, at least down to a small area,
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Speaker 1: and that is going to be critical in this case.
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Speaker 1: And does it follow her pattern to work. We're creatures
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Speaker 1: of habit, we follow pathways and stop at the same
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Speaker 1: place as all the time. Was the location of where
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Speaker 1: her truck was found on her routine path to work.
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Speaker 1: If it wasn't, now there may be, okay, So there
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Speaker 1: may be some forensic importance to that truck, maybe some
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Speaker 1: fingerprints or for in DNA, some trace evidence such as
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Speaker 1: hairs or fibers, if a person got in it or
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Speaker 1: touched the doors, or touched any of the components inside,
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Speaker 1: those are going to be critical forensic pieces of evidence
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Speaker 1: crime stories. With Nancy Grace, I got a couple of
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Speaker 1: questions following up on Karen Smith, forensics expert joining me.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Maria's sister, Gloria. Gloria again, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Gloria, I want to circle back
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Speaker 1: to your brother. Did anyone beside your brother see her
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Speaker 1: or talk to her after she left the house? No?
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Speaker 1: And the text to him regarding the package. What was
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Speaker 1: her text back to him when he asked about her
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Speaker 1: picking up the package? It was just saying that they
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Speaker 1: didn't open early. Well, is that true? Is the ups
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Speaker 1: they're open at eight am? Yes, but not that early.
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Speaker 1: I think that would be a response of her. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but you've confirmed the ups was not open at that time,
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Speaker 1: That is correct. Has the home been searched, Gloria for
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Speaker 1: any foul play within the home? Yes, okay. Was anything
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Speaker 1: found in her truck, anything like her pocketbook, her cell phone,
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Speaker 1: her jem bag, anything like that jim bag is in
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Speaker 1: the truck. The things that are missing are her purse,
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Speaker 1: her cell phone, and the actual Keith to Tim Miller,
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Speaker 1: the founder of Equisearch, Tim, do you know whether or
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Speaker 1: not the police have tried to ping the phone to
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Speaker 1: find out it's whereabouts? Unfortunately, sure courts have stated even
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Speaker 1: a far more difficult to go ahead and ping the
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Speaker 1: phones under these privacy To Jason Ocean's veteran criminal defense attorney, Jason,
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Speaker 1: this is a big deal because a lot of people
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Speaker 1: don't know that you can get your track or information
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Speaker 1: by subpoena. And you know, subpoena sounds so difficult and
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Speaker 1: legally sophisticated. It's not. I carried with me in my
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Speaker 1: car a stack of fifty subpoena at all times, and
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Speaker 1: I would reader, I would put right in the name,
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Speaker 1: I would write in the date and the time that
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Speaker 1: I needed them in court, and I would sign it
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Speaker 1: and write the short location and that's what you filled in,
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Speaker 1: so it's not that hard. This would require subpoena ducas
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Speaker 1: teakam i a a subpoena four documents for your on Star.
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Speaker 1: Um you're any tracking device, cell phone, serious, all of that.
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Speaker 1: But if you can't get the cell phone, you your
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Speaker 1: car is full of tracking devices. So another thing is
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Speaker 1: there's nobody to argue it like that. We don't know
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Speaker 1: who has taken her, so nobody is fighting this. But
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Speaker 1: still the cell phone company and the for instance on Star,
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Speaker 1: they've got to go through channels and that takes time.
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Speaker 1: Jason oceans it too. Yeah, and an extra layer of request, right,
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Speaker 1: an extra layer that that in this case, clearly there's
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Speaker 1: nothing adverse about getting it. We all want to get it,
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Speaker 1: but now they are for our tections based on a
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Speaker 1: five four Supreme Court decision. I'm with you, Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: want to go to doctor Daniel Bobare joining me, well
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Speaker 1: known forensic psychiatrist, doctor Daniel Bobra not only a mental
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Speaker 1: medical degree, but a psychiatric specialty and now a subspecialty
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Speaker 1: of forensic psychiatry. Doctor bober Right, now all we have
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Speaker 1: is her truck, her gem bag in there. What can
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Speaker 1: you tell us please go into the mental and emotional
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Speaker 1: aspect of this. What evidence can we gLing to try
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Speaker 1: to find Maria? This is really the pain that keeps giving,
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Speaker 1: is the pain of the unknown. It's excruciating for the family.
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Speaker 1: But in terms of the victim, as you said before,
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Speaker 1: I think any departure from the normal routine is a
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Speaker 1: red flag. And all we can do is hope and
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Speaker 1: pray that she's still alive and that maybe she can
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Speaker 1: get a message out to get some assistance. What can
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Speaker 1: we learn from the text? Can we divulge any can
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Speaker 1: we discern anything from the texts? Not? At this point
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Speaker 1: doesn't really seem like we have enough information. But I
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Speaker 1: was interested in that text about the ups store. To me,
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Speaker 1: that's also a red flag. But at this point it
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Speaker 1: seems like we need more information. Well, to me, you
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Speaker 1: can tell by a text, of course, I'm just the JD,
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Speaker 1: you're the MD. But to Maria's sister Gloria, by reading
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Speaker 1: the text, responses, did it sound like her talking? I mean,
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Speaker 1: was it full of misspellings she wouldn't normally do? Was
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Speaker 1: there slang in the text she would normally use? Has
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Speaker 1: she ever on left work and just texted somebody or
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Speaker 1: texted when she was late? Is this the coworker she
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Speaker 1: would normally have picked out to write and say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be late. Is there anything unusual you
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Speaker 1: can identify in the text as not having been from her?
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Speaker 1: I can the text to my brother give that is her,
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Speaker 1: But the rest of the texts are not herd do
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Speaker 1: that the that she does not say, she doesn't say
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Speaker 1: what she doesn't say deaf as the baby's name. The
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Speaker 1: baby's name is Destiny. Her name is not deaf, and
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Speaker 1: that those texts are saying des d e s. That's
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Speaker 1: not the way she and she relates to the baby.
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Speaker 1: She always I've already looked all over my Texas and
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Speaker 1: they're always saying Destiny. Okay, And that is significant. That's
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Speaker 1: very significant. I know it's small, it's like sounds like
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Speaker 1: a small thing. To Karen Smith, forensics expert, that is
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Speaker 1: a big thing. Everybody knows. I do not call John
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Speaker 1: David JD. So if I wrote somebody and referred to JAD,
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Speaker 1: that would be I've never done that. If I'm abbreviating,
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Speaker 1: I might text Jay David just to make it shorter,
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Speaker 1: So Karen Smith, that would be let me suddenly calling
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Speaker 1: you k. I've never done that my life. You would
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Speaker 1: know Amy, right, that's not Nancy or somebody, which I
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Speaker 1: don't want that either. Jumping thing is that go ahead, Gloria.
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Speaker 1: And another thing is that she does not write slang words.
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Speaker 1: She does not. She's even though it's let's say, well
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Speaker 1: she's speaking to her co worker, her supervisor, So she
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Speaker 1: would not um write slang words. And they're they're different
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Speaker 1: words there I cannot remember right now, but on the
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Speaker 1: text there's words that she wouldn't write. Who does call
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Speaker 1: the baby dies? Who would know her that calls the
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Speaker 1: baby does? We don't call her death, We call her destiny.
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Speaker 1: I have my personal words for her, um, but it's
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Speaker 1: usually destiny destiny. You know, it's interesting that you said
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Speaker 1: you have your personal words for her. That's really striking me.
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Speaker 1: You know, Tim Miller are joining me the leader of
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Speaker 1: the equisearch army. You know Tim. For instance, if I
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Speaker 1: refer to John David, I might call him big Boy.
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Speaker 1: That's his nickname ever since he was born, or a
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Speaker 1: name my dad gave him. Nobody else would know it,
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Speaker 1: but somebody in her immediate family took tic. That's a nickname.
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Speaker 1: For John David, for Lucy, nickname little girl, and I
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Speaker 1: mean there's several nicknames that only somebody within our family
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Speaker 1: would know. Tim Miller, tell me how this is striking?
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Speaker 1: You did Maria high for instance, an angry boyfriend or
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Speaker 1: an X or what do we know? Tim, Well, we
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Speaker 1: got our suspicions on somebody. Law enforcement does too. But
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Speaker 1: there was another extremely disturbing texts that came in at
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Speaker 1: six seventeen that afternoon. Or She texted a co worker
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Speaker 1: and actually says, I am being followed by a red
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Speaker 1: musical with two Hispanics and when I find a safe place,
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Speaker 1: I will call you. We know that text did not
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Speaker 1: come from her. We steel as though the person that
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Speaker 1: Ray possibly did something to. Maria was texting as though
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Speaker 1: she was still okay out there Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Keim Miller, did you mind telling me that again?
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Speaker 1: Six seventeen pm, Miss Street checks and stated that I
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Speaker 1: am being followed by a red pickup truck with two
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Speaker 1: Hispanics in it. I will contact you when I find
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Speaker 1: a safe place. So val use the word to hispanics? Yes, no,
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Speaker 1: she she used first to white white or yeah white
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Speaker 1: art Hispanic? Would she ever say the word no too.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she is Hispanic, So why was that? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Right there? That tells me that he took her? I mean, wow,
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Speaker 1: my problem, what is if you're being followed by someone
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Speaker 1: and you're trying to drive away, why are you going
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Speaker 1: to write a big old paragraph and explain Hispanic Latino, white, black, yellow?
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Speaker 1: If you're being followed, you don't have time to write
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Speaker 1: all that unless you're using um, your sirie where you
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Speaker 1: just dictate into the phone. But even then, why that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm about to say to him? Why aren't exactly
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Speaker 1: that's what I was just about to say. If you're
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Speaker 1: dictating into sirie, you should be calling nine one one,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, Glauria. Another thing is another thing? Is it's nine?
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's six, um nineteen six um? Why is
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Speaker 1: she not calling a family member? She is calling she
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Speaker 1: is texting the co worker at this time. She is
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Speaker 1: not in business hours, she is out of work. That
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Speaker 1: says to me, maybe they didn't know who. They didn't
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Speaker 1: know the family. Okay, that is telling me that they
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Speaker 1: can look at her phone, but they don't know who.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how she had you guys listed in the phone.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, You have a lot on
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Speaker 1: her phone? Like I meancause, yes, yes, was it easy
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Speaker 1: to figure out like one one one one or something
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Speaker 1: like that, Yes, because the baby knew it. So could
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Speaker 1: somebody figure it out? Or did they make her give
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Speaker 1: them the lot number? The baby would know how to
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Speaker 1: get in the phone. But I'm thinking that it's not
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Speaker 1: easy for someone that doesn't know the pattern. So how
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Speaker 1: would I'm trying to figure out, how would they have
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Speaker 1: gotten into her phone? To have to be somebody that's
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Speaker 1: that's familiar with her, and she is a she's a
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Speaker 1: person that's not trustful, not she doesn't trust anybody, yet
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Speaker 1: she is somebody. Where is the baby girl's dad in
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Speaker 1: this scenario? He well, he's not with her, Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: he's always calling and he's always coming to the home
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Speaker 1: to see the baby. Um, they had a communication for
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Speaker 1: the baby. Um, not a relationship, but it was all
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Speaker 1: for the baby. So the character anger or acrimony, any
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Speaker 1: problems with the ex. No, does he have an alibi?
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Speaker 1: He's he was at work, okay, that's what he says. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so that I wouldn't know him if he bit me
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Speaker 1: on the neck. That's the first place you look because
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Speaker 1: that is some one that would know, might know her code,
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Speaker 1: might know her her travel routine. Um, let me ask
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Speaker 1: you this, Tim Miller or EQUI Search leader, where in
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Speaker 1: relation to the home in the office was her truck found.
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Speaker 1: Was it on the way or was it out somewhere
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Speaker 1: where she wouldn't have been? Well, it was in a
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Speaker 1: direction that she wouldn't have been in. Again, it was
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Speaker 1: on a few blocks from her house. And we actually
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Speaker 1: talked to people there at the house, and I talked
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Speaker 1: to a guy there Sunday morning and he said the
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Speaker 1: first time he seen the truck there was about seven
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Speaker 1: o'clock in the evening and he didn't see anybody around
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Speaker 1: the truck. And then he went back out there about
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Speaker 1: time to see if the truck was still there. When
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Speaker 1: he was going to take a picture of the truck,
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Speaker 1: but it was too dark. And then from what I understand,
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Speaker 1: the All Star actually located that vehicle at three o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning. Okay, let me understand that it was
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Speaker 1: only maybe six six eight blocks away from the house,
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Speaker 1: so it was it was definitely somebody that NW Maria
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Speaker 1: and Nu Maria. Well, let me ask you this, Tim,
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Speaker 1: are you telling me her truck didn't appear the six
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Speaker 1: or eight blocks in the home until later in the
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Speaker 1: eight about seven o'clocks. And so what is strange about that,
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Speaker 1: Nancy is when the text came in at six seventeen,
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Speaker 1: six eighteen, then it's like that was kind of a
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Speaker 1: setup that Hey, I've been followed by somebody and now
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Speaker 1: a truck is scene around seven o'clock, so you know
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Speaker 1: somebody was her phone to kind of Okay, this is significant.
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Speaker 1: This is very significant to Miller because this says it's
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Speaker 1: not random like a man and trust me, this is
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Speaker 1: a man that did this. Okay, So a man sees her,
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Speaker 1: he attacks or robs her or maybe molester or kills
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Speaker 1: her bam and leaves her. No, this is someone that
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Speaker 1: staged it. If I'm correct that the vehicle was not
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Speaker 1: there before say, six pm. Are we sure that it
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Speaker 1: wasn't there or that nobody noticed it? Nobody noticed that. First,
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Speaker 1: you're saying it could have been there. It could have
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Speaker 1: been there, but the male man was actually going around
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Speaker 1: he did not see the vehicle there. We talked to
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Speaker 1: several of the neighbors. They didn't see the vehicle. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they didn't see the vehicle there. We actually looked at
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras for hours. If we could see a vehicle coming,
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Speaker 1: that vehicle coming by their h and we didn't see it,
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Speaker 1: like of course, it could have came from the other directions.
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Speaker 1: So okay, let me think this. Yeah, something happened to
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Speaker 1: her before that text came in at nine thirty in
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Speaker 1: the morning, state she was going to be late in
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Speaker 1: certain maybe four U She texted and sent she had
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Speaker 1: to go back home because the baby was sick too.
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensics expert. This is a big, big evidentiary clue.
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Speaker 1: If this were random, her body would have been left
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Speaker 1: where she was killed or abducted. That that's where the
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Speaker 1: car would be. Okay, this is not where she was
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Speaker 1: abducted because this is not her usual route to work.
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Speaker 1: If the car was not there before six pm, that
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Speaker 1: means someone made off with her and took the trouble
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Speaker 1: to come back, leave the vehicle, stage the scene and
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Speaker 1: send fake text. Karen Smith. That's a lot different from
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Speaker 1: a random assailant. Karen explain, absolutely. That was my first question.
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Speaker 1: Was the truck found on her normal route to work.
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Speaker 1: If it was not, that means that either she was
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Speaker 1: forced to drive it or somebody else drove it and
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Speaker 1: placed it there on purpose. And I've seen this before.
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Speaker 1: That truck is a forensic gold mine. You know, you
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Speaker 1: need one fingerprint, one sample of DNA, one hair, one
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Speaker 1: of these pieces of evidence can link to whoever was
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Speaker 1: driving that car, and then we can find out possibly
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Speaker 1: what happened to Maria Jimenez Rodriguez at this point, where
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Speaker 1: the truck was parked, the direction it was facing, any
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Speaker 1: cell phone dative And actually her purse is also going
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Speaker 1: to be key, because you know as well as I do,
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Speaker 1: that person didn't keep the purse. They tossed it. They
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Speaker 1: tossed it, they tossed the keys. So if they can
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Speaker 1: triangulate or get the mobile positioning of that cell phone,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to go dumpster diving. They're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to go trash diving to see if they can find
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Speaker 1: the purse in any of those areas as well. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Right now, the search is on
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Speaker 1: a beautiful mom of a girl named Destiny. Where is
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Speaker 1: Maria joining me right now? Her sister, Gloria, I want
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Speaker 1: to talk about this text and it proves to me,
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Speaker 1: Gloria that her truck was staged to be near her
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Speaker 1: home because this text that she sends out, which I
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Speaker 1: believe was around six seventeen PM, says that quote Hispanic
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Speaker 1: males two are following her in a vehicle number one.
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Speaker 1: She is Hispanic, So why would she say in those terms?
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Speaker 1: Why would she use that phraseology? But also she's just
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Speaker 1: six blocks away from her home. I don't think she
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Speaker 1: would have even termed it somebody's following me when you've
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Speaker 1: just left your house. How do you know somebody's following you?
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Speaker 1: You haven't given him a chance to follow you yet.
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Speaker 1: And that tells me that's all a big light Gloria.
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Speaker 1: That didn't happen that way. When I read the text,
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Speaker 1: I immediately said, this is her. That's not the way
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Speaker 1: she she would m phrase that. And being her, she
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have text. She would have called somebody. She would
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Speaker 1: have called me her brother, or she would have called
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Speaker 1: her father. She would have not text, and especially the
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Speaker 1: co worker at that time, she would not have done that,
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Speaker 1: says to me, and at that ever was doing it.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen Who to text? What did you say about six nineteen?
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Speaker 1: At that time, at that time frame, she should be
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Speaker 1: at the gym. She wouldn't she would leave the gym,
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Speaker 1: like at six thirty ish, she would call me, and
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Speaker 1: like before she would have called, she would call me
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Speaker 1: and told me, oh, I'm heavy tone. Well, this is
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Speaker 1: because she the baby wasn't sick that day, she didn't
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Speaker 1: go get the baby, and she never reported for work.
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Speaker 1: So all of this is a lie which puts my
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Speaker 1: timeline back, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me forensic psychiatrists. Someone
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Speaker 1: not only has made off with her, they have taken
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Speaker 1: great pains to try to throw us off the track.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bober, I agree, Nancy. Everything points to this being
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Speaker 1: something that's completely targeted. This was not random, and not
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Speaker 1: only was it targeted, but as you said, everything is
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Speaker 1: being done to throw us off the tracks. I totally
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Speaker 1: agree with you, and you know, think about it. Jason
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Speaker 1: Ocean's criminal defense attorney. You and I have covered and
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Speaker 1: analyzed so many criminal cases. Typically, in a random attack,
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Speaker 1: the victim is attacked, they're robbed, they're assaulted, their carjacked,
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Speaker 1: and bam, it's over, and you want to get as
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Speaker 1: far away from that vehicle as possible. You don't take
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Speaker 1: the time to circle back almost twelve hours later to
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Speaker 1: plant the truck and lay down a lot of fake texts.
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Speaker 1: You skedaddle, you're gone. So this tells me a lot
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Speaker 1: about who the purp is Jason Oceans. Yeah, it shows
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Speaker 1: us that it's someone in an inner circle, close enough
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Speaker 1: to have a lot of information, and someone who's worried
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Speaker 1: that the net could be cast on them in some way.
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Speaker 1: So they're using their quote unquote intelligence in planning this,
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Speaker 1: and as a result of that that gives us even
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Speaker 1: more and more clues. But the circle is close and tight,
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Speaker 1: not far Jason Liston. I agree with you and disagree
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Speaker 1: with you at the same time. It's somebody that knows
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Speaker 1: enough they know about the baby. They know to say
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Speaker 1: they're going to be late to work. They figure out
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Speaker 1: who detects. But gloriamen as this is Maria's sister, they
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Speaker 1: don't know enough to know that she would be at
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Speaker 1: the gym. They don't know enough that they don't call.
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Speaker 1: They call. The baby is not destiny. A lot of
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Speaker 1: clues is that they may know her, but they don't
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Speaker 1: know her well enough to know those significant factors. Gloria,
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Speaker 1: that is correct. So what they don't know that she
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Speaker 1: has a family, or or that at that time she
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Speaker 1: would text the family. Gloria, tell me what's going on
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Speaker 1: in your mind right now? I think it's somebody that
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Speaker 1: knows her, somebody that clanned is it's somebody that she knows. Gloria,
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Speaker 1: tell me what your theory is, your working theory right now?
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Speaker 1: I just I'm just hoping that she comes home. I'm
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Speaker 1: hoping that probably whoever Startist is whoever, I just have
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Speaker 1: a lot of I really don't know. I can't even think.
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Speaker 1: I'm just praying to God that she is will and
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Speaker 1: she comes back home. Guys, this Houston woman, this young mom,
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Speaker 1: has not been seen since she dropped her baby, Destiny
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Speaker 1: off at the babysitters and headed to work. Maria was
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Speaker 1: last saying wearing a dressy shirt, possibly green in color,
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Speaker 1: pastel colored slacks. She had on brown ballet slipper type shoes,
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Speaker 1: a pink apple watch. She was carrying a tan purse.
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Speaker 1: What we know now She has not been seen since
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Speaker 1: she dropped off Destiny with the babysitter, her truck turning
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Speaker 1: up near Wallaceville and Wayside. She is very responsible, never
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Speaker 1: missed his work and a disappearance. This nature is not
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Speaker 1: like her. Guys, where is this young mom? All we
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Speaker 1: have now are a series of seemingly fake texts. Tell me, Gloria,
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Speaker 1: how is Destiny without mommy? She just asked me, Dida,
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Speaker 1: can you please come pick me up? I want to
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Speaker 1: see you. Do y'all really miss me? I mean I
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Speaker 1: feel that she knows something's going on. She is a
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Speaker 1: sick baby, so we're just trying that. What is her?
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Speaker 1: What is the baby's ailments? She has UM. It's a
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Speaker 1: rare condition. Uh. It attacks her muscles. It's a muscle
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Speaker 1: disorder and she gets seizures. She has UM. You're in problem.
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Speaker 1: They have to be Catherine guys in her and she
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Speaker 1: had to take a lot of medication and only she
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Speaker 1: goes to therapy physical and it's for her muscles. It's
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Speaker 1: all for the muscles. You know what you can do
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Speaker 1: right now is follow these leads and pray for this
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Speaker 1: little girl Destiny with so many physical and medical elements,
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Speaker 1: that needs her mom so desperately. We are on the
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Speaker 1: search for Maria Imenez Rodriguez. Please help us bring her home.
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