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#342 - For Azeroth!: "Midnight at gamescom" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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I am just really sad that we're only going to play four of these
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in the first season and then not see them again.
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Like think about a dungeon like Stone Vault.
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Stone Vault was great. We saw it in season 1 and now
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it's gone. And if you didn't get the
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Mountain Season 1, you have to wait until midnight.
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For Lauderon. For the Karen Tour for Pandaria.
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For calendar. To the burning region.
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For Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich King.
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For the. Sindora for the Alliance, for
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the Horde, For Azeroth. Hello and welcome back to
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another episode of For Azeroth. I am one of your hosts, Manny.
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I am joined by Lex and Sean, and I've got to ask you guys,
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starting with you, Lex, what in the world did you think of the
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Midnight Cinematic? I thought it was really cool and
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exciting. I was extremely confused about
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it until my guildies explained it to me, so thank you.
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Shout out to them for knowing more.
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But I like the like good vibes. Right?
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Big void Walker or void? Yeah, void Walker.
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That little guy. I think he's not a void Walker
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because he's not currently being owned by a warlock.
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He was cool. That was sick.
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OK, All right, yeah, those like void minions are definitely are
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definitely something new. Like they I have originally
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said, oh, they're like fragments of dementias because they've got
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like they're kind of like simplified dementias armor and
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they've got the like glowing hole in the in the chest.
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But like we'll eventually get their their name.
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But they are definitely pawns of Zalatath.
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And so you're right. Yeah, it was a thrilling trailer
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in my, my opinion. But Sean, how did the trailer go
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for you? What are your first impressions
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of the Midnight trailer? I teared up when I saw Leadron
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and then I bawled when that hand came out of the light and
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touched her shoulder. So my first impressions are I
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can't wait. I love the blood elves I first
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swapped to. Like I really I played in
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vanilla but I didn't really fall in love with Warcraft until the
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Burning Crusade when I became a blood off ballad.
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And I love silver Moon, I think it's a great city.
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I can't wait to go back. Everything about it just, it
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just filled me with so much hope and then I question why hope
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makes me cry. You know, like we had this other
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show that Alexa used to do, which was more about Wellness
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and in gaming, but that isn't this show.
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So I got to ask you, whose hand do you think that was?
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That's a great question. That's the question on
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everybody's mind right now. So if it has to be, I have two
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answers. Answer one, it's just generic
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random paladin from the players, and that's what the Light center
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was, was paladins from all across Azeroth to help.
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And then option 2, which I think would be the best, is it's the
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Arathi coming through and it's somebody that we haven't met
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yet, maybe the Emperor, maybe you know, somebody, somebody
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from the Arathi line, but not from the Halo fall Arathi, but
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somebody from like Aerithor across the ocean and the light
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descending them to fight and rental ash.
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OK, I mean that that is that is a guest that I had not heard
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before actually. Oh really?
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They literally show an Arathi ballot in in one of the shorts.
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Nobody has thought that yet. No, I, I mean, I've seen like I
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have seen images of the concept artwork and I didn't think Arafi
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and it's but that it's like the artwork that's in the fast
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discord. Is that an Arafi paladin?
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Is that what that is? No, but that that's not
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specifically, but the music is the same music from Halo Fall
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and it's the I'm pretty sure. And it's like there's one of the
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shorts where there's show like one of those shorts that
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released afterwards, the YouTube shorts when they're cutting
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through and showing different paladins and when one of them
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front and center is a Colterian woman, which is the the bottle,
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the body model for Arathi. And they're they are already
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paladins. So yeah, I just assumed that it
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was going to be the Arathi coming.
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Is that really not something that everybody is saying they
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think it's? Honestly, this is the first time
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I've I've heard it. I'll take credit then.
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Lex, what's your guess then? Are you with Sean on his theory?
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Oh I am not good at like that sort of lore identification.
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Like I said, I did need my guildies to explain why this
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like clip was meaningful other than the fact that it looked
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cool and had like clear deep emotions.
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So I've definitely heard the Arafi the most.
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Sorry Manny, you can be part of my lore conversations if you
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want, but I I thought I fully thought Anaru was going to come
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out of that soul. Well so or Sun.
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Well, this is This is why I don't make more predictions.
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Yeah, no worries, no worries. So wait, there's there's so many
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wells that we're going to be talking about as we go through
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this. My thought originally was like,
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oh, it's like the army, the Army of the Light.
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Actually, originally I was like, Oh, is it like Anduin and it and
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him bringing back up, you don't really get to see like the
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colors and such. So it's like, Oh, maybe it's
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like a bunch of storm and nights and be like, Hey, we're standing
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together and like hoarded lion sitting side by side in this
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moment of need. Then I saw like the concept art
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that was thrown in the fast escort.
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I mean, I should say bit dot LY slash fast discord if you want
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to join those conversations. And so my thought was like, Oh,
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maybe it's like Terrellian creating a like kids, like the
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army of the light that came from Argus was put underneath to
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rally in and therefore underneath Stormwind.
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Right. And if they do like army of the
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light paladins that are that are under Trallian control, that
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would make a lot of sense. He was in he was in Queldonas
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for the short story before the head of the war within.
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He was in, he showed up for a little bit, but everybody shows
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up for a little bit, so that means nothing.
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And so the other thing is like, later on, we're going to find
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out something that points to him being a major character in
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Midnight. And so my, my theory, my
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standing theory right now is Army of the Light, Taralian
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hasn't been coasting during this time of peace.
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He's being militarizing and he and now he's his army's coming
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to save the day, as it were. There not have been drain iron
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in the mix, then they should have the army of the light and
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because that what they showed was all humans, which is why I I
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I led to air throw because they're very specifically not
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xenophobic, but one they're like there are.
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They're just humans. They are xenophobic.
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And a little bit xenophobic. They are xenophobic.
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They they're, they're right there with the Red Dawn and the
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like. Hey, listen, if it didn't, it
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didn't come from our neck of the world.
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So we don't like it. Mine.
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I will say my initial thought was Stormwind just because it
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was all humans, or at least the only things we saw were human
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Stormwind desk models. So that leads us to like, again,
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if you're wondering what in the what in the world are they
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talking about? What happened, Definitely check
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out the the show notes. We've got the link to that
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trailer. It was very emotional.
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There was like a crisis of faith and everything in there really,
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really gets you going, but also comes out of it's like
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definitely in the middle of events that we have not got to
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yet. And so clearly there's going to
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be a lot that leads up to what we're going to see in that
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cinematic. And rather than try and guess
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that that we've got a lot of information to go through.
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So let's get right to it. In midnight we are going to be
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in Queldonas around Silver Moon City.
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This is a fully rebuilt reimagination from reimagining
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from the ground up of the the zone.
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So it is going to be not one for one, not a remaster, not like
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just HD graphics. They have like pretty much
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expanded the area. The city of Silver Moon is going
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to be the like central hub, which means there's going to be
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both Horde and Alliance in there, but they are going to
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remember that it is a Horde city and have some Horde only areas
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so. Here's a question for you guys.
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Do you think that they're going to do the Drain Eye and Last
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Titan or do you think they're just going to say screw you
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guys, Burning Crusade? If you wanted to be relevant,
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you should have been relevant and only do Silver Moon.
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I I think they do Azure mistyle this patch.
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It'll happen in midnight. Probably the .5.
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Something like that. There's no way they overdo 1 and
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not the other. I'm I've flat out, I think
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they've, they've said screw it. We're not, we don't care about
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like trying to make everything even.
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We're just going to do the story and do the things that we we
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need to. And like, if you miss out this
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time, you miss out this this time, which I'm going to get
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back to you because I think there's a number of things along
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that line. But what we're seeing is that
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this entire area has like recovered from the scourge
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attack that had originally gone after the sun.
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Well, so they've made everything all pretty and nice again, only
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to get hit by the void and xylitaph.
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So man, poor, poor guys. Just when we get that HD remake,
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they're under assault again, which means that the Eversong
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Woods are going to be back in as the first zone that we'll it
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will be in again. That is with this entire rebuilt
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redone thing. The Ghostlands have recovered
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from from being all scourgy and they're in a much better
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position. All of that is now like
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remastered, and I'm looking forward to that.
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From there, there are two additional zones that we'll be
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able to go to. Zola Mountain, previously just a
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just a small little neck of the woods, has been expanded into
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its own full-fledged zone and built out.
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So you're going to see a lot of troll grandeur there, including
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the Loa of War and a bunch of new Loa.
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I love that. And then on the other side, the
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other zone that you can go to 2nd is Harandar.
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This we know of previously as the root lands.
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And so there you're going to of course, come across the Harnier
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and that zone looks kind of like, oh, man, I'm going to say
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something similar to Dressvar where like all the things are
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like wrapped up in trees. But this is like a step further,
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kind of like, oh man, what was the, I think Arden wield?
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Sorry, Arden wield is what I was thinking of, where everything is
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naturally in to the zone. This is nothing is constructed,
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everything is grown or through like a kind of biomancy thing,
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which is so cool. Go ahead, Lex.
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I say this with so much love. I'm looking at these screenshots
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right now. The word you're looking for is
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Zynga Marsh. It looks like Zynga.
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Marsh. Zynga Marsh, I will say, and I
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love Zynga. So I'm like literally, this is
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on record my favorite zone, so I'm over the moon.
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But I was looking at it. I was like, well, I'm reading
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the description and I really would expect it to look more
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like Zynga Marsh. And I'm looking at it and it's
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Zynga Marsh. I I would say like they have
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this like Brontosaurus that it's like got a mushroom thing and
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that's, that's Zangamarsh, right They.
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Have mushroom cities, Manny. They have they have some fungi
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cities and stuff, but like Zangamarsh may maybe it's just
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too low res and that's why I don't put put it the same.
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But they've got those roots that are going through and like grow
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in, grow up into everything and. Maybe I'm literally tripping
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out. I'm looking at these photos and
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I think they might have actually copy pasted some zengemarsh.
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Images like. I'm not even kidding.
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All right, all right, let's just go in with Zengemarsh.
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I, I, I can see where you're coming from.
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I don't think it's a it's a one for one, but you're OK.
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And then from from what? Let's consider Zengemarsh 6
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point O. We have the void Storm, and the
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void storm is like basically Koresh but like a lot more
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jagged edges on the buildings. You've got the same mana forges
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that they had in Koresh being repeated there.
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You've got some things that kind of look like if the void met the
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cult of Twilight, where it is just twisted metal and jagged
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edges there. It looks really cool.
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And that's going to be the final zone of the of the story.
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So if you go through you can you start off course in ever song.
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You pick between Zolomon and Karndar, and then once you've
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completed those two, then you move on to the Void Storm.
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So Lex, are we, are we going with Hondar as your favorite?
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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First of all, again, I've always loved Zynga and I just knew that
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I wasn't supposed to love Zynga. I, I don't remember why to know
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that everyone tells me I'm not supposed to love Zynga, but I
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love Zynga. And so the fact that I get to go
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back to Zynga Marsh, but this time I get to fly easily, like I
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don't have to like do any the thing and spend $1,000,000 like
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I did when I was in Burning Crusade.
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And I, Oh my God, I'm so excited.
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I'm so excited. I love Vega.
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This is going to be my favorite expansion.
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I'm so hype. OK.
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All right, Sean, what's your favorite zone out of these from
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those just like the first impressions here?
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I didn't see any pictures of these.
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I don't know where you guys saw pictures of these zones.
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OK, well Lex is going to share, share with you.
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There was a bunch of pictures that were in the press kit and
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such. I just went to Blizzard's press
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kit and there's nothing there for midnight.
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What? No, no, it's there.
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It's there. OK, well while I'm going to
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Passover link to Sean so that he can get some pictures, I do want
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to talk about the prey system. And Lex, would you be willing to
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talk about prey? Oh, you bet.
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I'd be willing to talk about Prey.
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So some of you may recall that in a few episodes back, this
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might have been significantly many episodes back we were
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talking about wouldn't it be great if there was more
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challenging open world things? And I think somebody, not me,
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was like, they're never going to do more challenging open world
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things. That's so silly.
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But they're doing more challenging open world things.
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So essentially how it goes is you go chat with a guy forgot
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his name. I think he's important, but I
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needed my guildies to explain the cinematic to me so we know
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I'm not going to remember his name.
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You say, I think like what zone you're in and you turn on the
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price system for that zone. And then you go into that zone
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and you do things and you do like you're usually engaging in
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your normal life. And while you're engaging in
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your normal life, you get what the Dungeons and Dragons folks
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will know as random encounters where suddenly things pop up and
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you're getting attacked and you have to fight them.
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And there's going to be increasing.
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I think there's three, like I don't.
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Oh gosh, either three people come out and then the big, I
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think it's 3 encounters and the last one's big boss.
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I should have written this down but I didn't.
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It's OK. And so basically you go in, you
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kill all these encounters and you kill the big boss.
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You can do them at 3 difficulties, you can do them at
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normal, hard or nightmare. And so, and this is all opt in
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by the way. So it's not like you're going to
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have to worry about just randomly questing and not
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wanting to do the open world prey system and all of a sudden
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somebody's whacking on you. Don't worry about that unless
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you're in PvP, then you do have to worry about that.
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But from this you can get cosmetics, you can get mounts,
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you can get titles and you can get housing items.
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So unfortunately you are not getting gear, but that's OK.
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You get cute little, cute little things and you get to kill a big
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boss. And in the Nightmare, the higher
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level difficulties, the final boss is much harder.
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I think there was saying in the Nightmare difficulty you
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actually get like tied in basically and you have to fight
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him in a very small zone. It's very exciting.
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So, so we're hype. I'm hype.
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Are you guys hype? I am honestly, this feels like
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when you're halfway through a delve and the Nemesis pops up
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just like expanded the pawn and put into the outside world like
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that. That's how I see this.
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And I'm sort of like, huh, I guess they really like delves.
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So they're like, you know what? Why don't we have delves outside
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of Delves? And I'm like, OK, all right, I'm
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glad that this is the outside world.
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I would hate if I like picked up a prey nemesis thing and then I
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was in a mythic plus and so I get kanked by my nemesis.
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That would that would be that was like my nightmare.
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And then I'm like, I better just double check this.
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Like, OK, good. It's in a particular zone.
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It's an outside world system. This is cool.
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Worst case scenario, I'm half paying attention, doing some
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fishing and suddenly I get kanked by my by my nemesis.
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But all I would do is just be like I'm going to fish somewhere
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else. While I am dealing with this,
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this prey system, the the difficulties, the normal hard
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and nightmare difficulties, I think is great to allow players
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to engage with it at their own comfort.
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Again, you're right. This is something that you've
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been demanding saying like we need harder open world content.
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So I'm glad for that. I dislike, I dislike that it is
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random for some. Like it's just like, oh, I'm
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doing something and it comes out randomly because one, it kind of
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reminds me of the mall where it's like, OK, we're just adding
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this like additional affix where suddenly things happen.
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And two, I would have liked to just be like opt in and I'm
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going to do this. I would hate if if there's a
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player out there that's like, oh, I'm going to do I'm going to
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do a nemesis and then Oh no, my kids calling me or real life is
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pulling me away. They come back, they forget
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they've activated this nemesis and then bam.
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Oh, no, this is not what I opt into.
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Like maybe there's a way where you're like, OK, let me just
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resend the contract and nemesis is like, oh, cool, all right,
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we're we're we're not enemies again.
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I'll leave you alone, bro. But it just seems like A at
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least at the very least there should be a reminder when you
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log in where it's like you have a nemesis active going or sorry
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pre active. This is going to be like a thing
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that takes a long time to get through because I was expecting
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that it would be pretty quick. Like I, I would anticipate it's
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like. I don't, I don't know, it's
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multiple times before you deal with the last one.
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I and like as quick as it may or may not be, I, I could just
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anticipate somebody who doesn't have the play session that they
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thought they did gets it, gets interrupted, forgets about it,
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and then gets that unpleasant surprise.
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So like in my in my mind, I always want to be able to opt
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into it. Epidemi, who is a great source
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of quotes, says that the Diablo Torment system is a great
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example where you can set those wool tears.
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They're experimenting with that in the Legion remix, and so
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maybe that's something that that might come in as well, who
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knows? I should.
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I do also want to pause really quickly and say while we were
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talking I was doing some digging.
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I do not know where I got the number 3 encounters before the
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boss. I pulled that entirely out of my
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butt. Everything is saying that it's
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just multiple ambushes, so don't quote me on that.
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That was insane. You'll be cool first thing
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though if you feel very smart. Three seems like a nice round
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Number. It could be three.
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Maybe it increases or with difficulty as well, who knows.
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That will also depend on whether it's what I'm thinking where
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it's like, you know, 30 minutes Max.
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You pick a zone, you go like mostly you're like questing, but
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you you really going there just to get your ambushes done so you
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can get to the final boss. Or if it's more of a like, you
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pick a prey a a week and every time you're in there, for all
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you know you're going to get ambushed.
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Which when I say it out loud, sounds significantly cooler.
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Yeah, depends on how quickly you can cycle through it.
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Like I, I definitely think that I agree with you being able to
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pick it for the week and then it's like over the course of
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like the week I will come across across these encounters and do,
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it seems to me a cooler system than I pick it, spend 20 minutes
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in a zone to like go hunt this thing down.
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That to me just seems like a really zone wide world quest in
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my mind. And I think that's less
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exciting. What do you think, Sean?
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I think that I am really glad that Lex is hyped for this
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feature today as it's been announced and I desperately hope
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that two weeks efforts release. We aren't having conversations
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along the lines of why can't healers do this because it's too
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hard? Why is this so easy as a group?
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Why did becoming a group become the way to do praise?
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Why is the only thing they give cosmetics?
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Why does this feel like such a chore?
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I, I personally, I mean, if there's cosmetics tied to it
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that I want, I'll do it and I will have the level of enjoyment
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associated with it that I get from farming cosmetics.
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I just really hope because Lex is genuinely like, she's
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glowing. She's so excited about this.
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She's beaming with joy. I don't want two weeks into
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midnight for Lex to have to say something like I play at at
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Demon Hunter so it's fine, but all of my friends who plays
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healers can't do this alone anymore, which is what's what's
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going to happen because it's what literally happens every
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time. Oh for sure.
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And to be fair, I do like the fact that they set this with
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only like, and I, I know this is a tender thing to say, a
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sensitive, a sensitive point, but only like optional things.
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So like cosmetics and mounts and things.
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So, and I know that for some of you, you're yelling at your, at
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your computers already. And that's fair.
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I understand that for some of you that doesn't feel optional.
23:50
But at least for me, it's like, if it's gear, I feel like I'm
23:54
being a big jerk if I don't do them every week because I'm
23:57
letting my team down. If it's mounts, that's for me.
24:02
And so if I'm like, oh, this actually sucks and I hate it,
24:04
I'm simply choosing, but I'm not going to get some mounts.
24:06
That's OK. Nobody else is disappointed.
24:09
I'm just maybe a little sad. Just a little one less mount for
24:12
Lex. That gets her one bit 1 mount
24:15
closer to being a real player. I think that what we could do is
24:22
tuned. I think what we could do is like
24:26
have it tuned differently for different roles.
24:29
So like the same thing that they've done in Visions or when
24:33
you were doing any of those sort of things where it's like, oh,
24:37
it does more damage if you're a tank or have a tank in your
24:42
right, it has less health if you're a healer and and so
24:46
forth, that sort of that sort of thing.
24:49
I wonder if it if like it brings friends if you're in a group or
24:56
if it just goes like, oh, they're in a group.
25:00
I don't want to ambush them while there's numbers against
25:03
me. Either one of those would be
25:04
cool and like make the system feel a lot smarter.
25:07
If it if like you're, you're Hunter's like, oh crap, she's
25:11
got friends. Hold off.
25:14
Or you pick who your nemesis is. So it might like.
25:17
I don't know exactly how they want to play this but they could
25:20
make it so like certain nemeses are really hard hitting but
25:25
don't take as much to DPS down to make them more tank specific.
25:28
Or certain nemeses are like the depend on a mechanic that
25:35
requires you to be able to heal up things in the environment.
25:37
And certain ones are more just like pretty classic take hits do
25:42
damage more for your DPS. Like they couldn't make it so
25:45
you can kind of figure out which one you want to select based on
25:48
your class. And so you don't have to do the
25:51
like, oh, this one is impossible as a healer.
25:55
For the game, can other people see them?
25:58
Can they help you fight them if they see them?
25:59
If you're in war mode and you're fighting one, can I come kill
26:02
you and then you lose the contract?
26:05
I have many questions that I hope Blizzard has thought of
26:10
before they go live. Because if anybody else can see
26:13
them, when you're you can be out there fighting this thing and
26:15
then a group of people walk by and they just bang it out and
26:18
there's no challenge at all. And then it's just dead.
26:22
Yeah, I think there's a lot of things that can shift it around,
26:25
make it way easier, way harder. Definitely PvP open world PvP is
26:31
a is a question about it. I would hate if I just want to
26:35
fight in like open world PvP and then my nemesis decides this is
26:39
the time. Oh, that would that would hurt
26:42
so much. I hope that also it isn't like
26:46
limited attempts where it's like, oh, if I miss it on the
26:49
final challenge, then I don't get it or it gets it's reduced
26:52
somehow because that will immediately make the knives come
26:56
out. Yeah, it.
26:58
Should be once a week. It should be locked to once a
27:00
week. But they did put out a short
27:08
with all this information. It is as Lex says, just
27:10
cosmetic. You are getting cosmetics,
27:13
mounts, titles, housing items, but you are not getting any
27:18
gear. So in in any situation it is
27:24
just for bragging rights and cool stuff to show off next.
27:31
From there we talked about them bringing Dells into the outside
27:35
world, but they're not done with Dells in general.
27:38
I'm once again going to pass this off to Lex because we've
27:40
got 11 new Dells in the next expansion.
27:46
Yes, at this time we have her name for new companion, which if
27:49
they make me do Bran, like if they pull the vlog out from
27:51
under me and they're like actually it's Branigan, I'm
27:53
literally going to lose my mind. I will have an entire episode
27:55
that will just be me saying swears, I'm sorry Manny.
27:58
So new delves, an entire new set of delves.
28:01
You're going with the legendary bledelf rogue Velira Sanguinar.
28:05
And I did. I will admit that when I read
28:06
that the first time, I was like, wow, they really like the third
28:11
wind runner Sister has really dropped in the ranks of the
28:13
lore. But no, apparently not.
28:17
Sean's making a face that makes me think that I'm supposed to
28:18
know this woman. Yeah, Valera Sanguener is one of
28:21
the most famous rogues in the game.
28:23
At one point she was in the gladiator pits with Varian Ren
28:27
back in before he when he was lost his memory when he had been
28:31
kidnapped. Yeah, Valera is amazing.
28:34
She wears that red outfit and has the blonde hair.
28:36
Does that help? She's.
28:37
Like the blood elf with red outfit and blonde hair.
28:39
I literally you. Now I know.
28:41
You're welcome. No, not welcome.
28:43
Think Burning Crusade, Right. Like tight, tight like titular
28:49
rogue Burning Crusade. They wanted to show blood Elves
28:53
and they showed her they had a Maraud as the the Exodars
29:00
champion. That's the dry knife poster boy.
29:04
And they had our Sanguinar Rogue.
29:07
And then she was also in the Rogue Legion Order hall.
29:12
Order hall. She's been back and forth a
29:14
bunch of times. She predates World of Warcraft
29:16
entirely because she was in the Warcraft series before.
29:20
She's got pedigree. I.
29:23
Did think I when I googled her, I immediately recognized her.
29:26
I did think this was kind of like generic Blood Elf, which is
29:29
why I was making fun of Sean, but OK, the fact that this that
29:32
she has a name, I'm now caught up.
29:33
This is really cool. It's really.
29:34
I would like you to recognize how excellent my description of
29:39
the red outfit was. It was.
29:41
This was like, again, again, the reason that I mocked you was
29:44
because I was like, oh, yeah. The blonde blood elf in red.
29:49
Yeah, I know that one, Sean. Yeah, but you did.
29:53
I did, in fact. Yeah, that's cool.
29:57
I might actually do some delves. No.
30:00
No, I I'm I'm actually it's funny that I feel like her being
30:05
the delve companion feels like a downgrade for her.
30:09
And then but I'm just sort of like, you know what, whatever.
30:12
Like it's just like I think raising delves to have like big
30:17
characters like this. And I don't want to say that
30:20
Bran, he is a smaller character, but he's always been the like,
30:24
quite short hero's companion. I hate him, he's so annoying I
30:28
want him to shut up. He's.
30:30
Always been the hero's companion.
30:32
He's like from his from the get go.
30:34
He's just like, oh champion, I'll I'll run along beside you
30:36
and give exposition. So like him being the Delft
30:39
companion was like, oh, OK, yeah, sure.
30:41
Those webs will summon the Rubian.
30:44
Next time, let's pull out some hotter hitting moves.
30:46
Wow, I really I didn't. I really should not have tried
30:49
the accent there. It did not.
30:50
Go all out. I'm to go all out.
30:55
Before we start a start a swearing episode, I do think
30:59
it's going to be fun to see a healing rogue in action.
31:03
Or like the tanking rogue. Sure, evasion tank and all day
31:08
healing rogue. I I'm tired of people throwing
31:10
potions in my vicinity. Let's I don't know what she's
31:13
going to do. That's a good.
31:14
Well, because the other thing about Bran that I think is less
31:17
true for Valera, maybe. I don't know.
31:19
I didn't really know she existed as a core character until now.
31:24
Is it? Bran is inherently kind of
31:26
silly, right? That's always.
31:27
Yeah, like you said, he's like the hero's companion, but also
31:29
he's he has that kind of dwarf silliness.
31:32
And I don't know that that's the vibe.
31:34
I'd say they I had to give her. And so I'm really curious how
31:38
they're going to go about this, like whether they're going to be
31:40
like, well, now she's a silly character because she's the
31:42
Delve companion. Or if they're going to play this
31:44
a little bit more straight, which does mean that they're
31:46
going to have to figure out how she's going to be healing and
31:49
things without just like, oh, dwarven medicine guys throwing
31:52
the things out. I hope instead of healing that
31:55
she just stabs us to death. She's like, you're too weak.
31:59
She's like, switches her daggers for syringes and she's like, get
32:02
up, get up, get up. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's going to
32:07
be weird. I'm assuming that that means
32:10
Dells are going to be just generally more serious, as you
32:13
said, we're not going to have somebody stealing her hat in
32:16
Season 2 or whatever. We'll see where it goes from
32:19
there. Yeah, I wouldn't mind.
32:23
What, like seeing how they bounce, the tone, seeing how
32:27
they balance, like the various, various parts of it.
32:31
Now, we did say that there are 11 Dells.
32:36
They are all over the place. They are in all of the zones.
32:40
We have the Shadow Enclave, the Collegiate Calamity.
32:45
Oh, sorry, Collegiate. Can I just say which Blizzard
32:50
dev had a really tough time in college?
32:53
Like it was one thing they used to say like one dungeon that was
32:57
like, Oh no, the school's going crazy.
32:59
And now it's like every other patch they're like and what if
33:02
the school goes crazy? Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
33:08
You know, it could be like a general sort of like shared
33:13
trauma that every so often they get the interns in and they're
33:16
like, let me tell you about what it took to get this internship.
33:20
And they're like, we should turn that into a dungeon now.
33:22
We've done that before. Let's turn that into a delve
33:24
this time. Perfect.
33:28
The Parhelion Plaza. That's all I ever saw in woods.
33:31
Zolaman has the Dark way, Twilight Crypts and a Talaman.
33:38
The in Harndar we've got the Grudge Pit and the Gulf of
33:43
Memory. I'm telling you right now, the
33:44
Gulf of Memory is the coolest one out of these in terms of
33:48
name so far. And then the Void Storm has
33:52
another two, which is Sun Killer Sanctum and Shadow Guard point.
34:01
Then our torments rise is the Nemesis Delve for season 1.
34:06
Obviously that will change in season 2, but we had 10 delves
34:12
with a with the 11th being a the the Nemesis Delve.
34:18
Is that the same that they had in the War Within when it
34:22
launched? I think so.
34:23
Roughly, yeah. Three and Three and Dorn in the
34:29
Isle of Dorn, 2 in the Ringing Deeps. 3IN hallow fall. 2IN
34:35
Oscar hat plus Zach Fear. Yeah.
34:39
So there you go. We're we're back at it again.
34:45
Then we go into you dungeons and Sean as the dungeoneer, he in
34:51
this, I'll give this to you. Yeah, pretty excited.
34:55
And sad I the more the further away we get from we only play
35:01
the in the expansion dungeons in season, the more I wanted to
35:04
come back. But anyway, we're getting.
35:09
Every song Woods are going to have three.
35:10
Wind Runner Spire is being turned into a dungeon, so the
35:13
historic home of the Wind Runners will be a dungeon.
35:16
Magisters Terrace is making a return as a dungeon Magistrate's
35:20
Terrace the first time was merely a set back and they're
35:23
going to be trying to unleash some some void magic here.
35:26
And then murder Row, which is happening in Silver Moon itself.
35:31
It's one of the areas in Silver Moon murder Row and it's blood
35:33
elves that are smuggling some fell relics and demons that are
35:36
leftover from the Burning Crusade.
35:37
That is Zola Mom. We've got 2 coming in with the
35:40
Den of Nalarak, which is and Imani bearish.
35:43
It's the money bear Loa, and he does have some challenges to
35:46
test test before he will join us.
35:48
So we have to prove that we're worthy, which means that the
35:51
Soleimani won't bear the Imani trolls won't just be one note
35:56
villains throughout this. So that's nice and the Mysara
36:01
caverns also there we're going to save the weather bar who've
36:04
been abducted abducted by the vow branch.
36:06
Then we have a dungeon in Herinder with the Blinding veil
36:10
and then two in the void storm, one that says it's an arena
36:14
battle for the amusement of a powerful void entity.
36:17
And I'm getting shades of Trial of the Champion, which I hope is
36:21
true because then it means we possibly have a trial of the
36:24
Crusader style raid in the next year.
36:27
Which would mean no trash. Which would make me overjoyed.
36:32
And then the next is point. Zenus excited.
36:35
I'm excited. I love Eversong Woods.
36:36
I love the blood elf themes. I'm looking forward to it.
36:41
Zola Mom was a top tier raid when it came out.
36:44
Going back there's going to be great.
36:46
I am just really sad that we're only going to play four of these
36:51
in the first season and then not see them again.
36:54
Like think about a dungeon like Stone Vault.
36:57
Stone Vault was great. We saw the season 1 and now it's
37:00
gone. And if you didn't get the
37:01
mountain season 1, you have to wait until midnight because it
37:05
never came back as a mythic dungeon.
37:08
That was another one that we got in Season 1 that never came back
37:11
that we enjoyed is. That it?
37:14
Is it just? Stone vault?
37:15
I mean, I would have said Dawn. Dawnbreaker, but that's came
37:19
back, yeah. Right.
37:21
Cinderme Brewery was. Not anybody's favorite, so we
37:23
just left threads I. Like Cinderme, you don't do.
37:26
Dungeons I. Did during Cinder and you.
37:32
Thread wasn't playing. Either.
37:35
Yeah, I just, I don't know. I don't.
37:36
Love I don't I get it, people get bored running the same
37:40
dungeon over again farming the same piece of loop but just in a
37:43
higher up higher item level isn't super thrilling.
37:47
But for me that that I don't know I just I'm playing the
37:50
expansion. I would like to be immersed in
37:53
that expansions content for the duration of it.
37:55
Especially since they're cycling is these through so fast now at
37:59
an 18 month click like it does I think also.
38:03
Just to add 1 cute little complaint, it does make me feel
38:06
even more set back as a newer mythic pluser because it feels
38:11
like there's more of an expectation of those.
38:13
Like, Oh well, of course we all remember Mother Lode, we don't
38:17
need to worry about that. Yeah, exactly.
38:21
I think that. The part that you're talking
38:26
about, Lex was kind of worse when you would come in season 3
38:32
and everybody had been playing the same dungeons for 12 months
38:37
straight. So like, and in recent memory,
38:40
it wasn't like, do you remember this dungeon and oh, what
38:42
changes have they made? It was we've done this dungeon
38:45
for a year now. Get with it on week 1, so.
38:51
I didn't really play back then. I you're correct that I I
38:56
didn't, I wouldn't really know what I'm talking about.
39:00
I I do agree with all the points Sean said though.
39:05
Like it sucks that you're not immersed in the current story,
39:09
the current events and everything.
39:11
Delve stayed current by like refreshing the affixes, which is
39:17
what they used to do with mythic mythic plus in order to keep it,
39:22
keep it fresh. But I think this when we got to
39:26
Dragonflight, they, they didn't, they're, they didn't know how to
39:30
keep the creating new affixes. And they're like, though what
39:34
we're can do is just refresh the dungeon pool.
39:36
So I I want to say it's more a issue of keeping that design
39:42
train running at that speed helped push this.
39:46
And they had a number of other reasons that they considered
39:50
pros for it. Yeah.
39:55
All I can say is you've got more designers.
39:58
I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it if they did.
40:01
Like here's the first, here's the first dungeons and two
40:07
returning. And then in the next season,
40:09
it's like, here's another two dungeons plus this mega dungeon
40:12
that we split into two parts and.
40:15
And some returning ones. And then in season 3 of us
40:18
having the like OG dungeons back was like what they did in
40:23
Dragonflight, but they also didn't have mythic zeros being
40:27
utterly shut out as well. So like the rotation is much
40:31
harder drawn in in the war Within.
40:35
And supposedly we'll see what, what the adjustments they do, if
40:40
any, in midnight. But yeah, I'd, I'd, I'd like to
40:44
be able to remember why stone core was a thing.
40:47
Remember why these dungeons that like I maybe struggled against
40:52
in season 1 have been like adjusted and they're fun in
40:56
season 3. Oh well, yeah.
41:01
Hey, why is Thrall on the War Within artwork?
41:06
We should have an episode. Where are we talk about that,
41:10
but it will not be this episode. I just because.
41:13
That's my background for my teleprompters, that key art
41:15
where it's like Xalatas standing behind the heroes and almost
41:18
looks like a Star Wars poster. And I'm like, no, throw us
41:20
there. The hell is he?
41:23
At the game. Anyway, sorry, I I just, I
41:26
normally have my camera there when I'm looking, I'm only
41:28
looking at you guys, but I have you on a different monitor.
41:30
So I'm just like staring at this right now.
41:32
I'm like, that's really gorgeous.
41:34
Why do we have him here? Because stories.
41:37
Changed as they turned into the old soul saga.
41:40
I will say though, when we're looking at the description of
41:42
these, these dungeons, I and we're talking about like, oh,
41:47
like you're challenging the bear load to get the support of the
41:50
of the trolls Nexus point is zenith or where it's like you're
41:56
the tension between our allies escalated and this is the
41:58
beginning of the climax of the story.
42:00
I'm hoping that this is pointing to a legion like zone setup
42:06
where you have the story of the zone which culminates in the
42:09
dungeon so that you have like that climax.
42:11
You have that like, hey, this is this is what we've done.
42:15
They did a similar thing in BFA, less so, but like that to me, it
42:22
made each zone really have like a good story that was that was
42:25
building up towards something. And it it felt like when we had
42:30
the the story on tracks that we did in the war within and it's
42:37
in shadow lands it it's made some of the zones feel like they
42:41
didn't really get their proper conclusion.
42:44
Looking at Arden wield and the trust.
42:46
I'm looking at like Volt Volt Vulcan story in BFA, like stuff
42:55
like that. So I'm hoping that that this,
42:58
this is a change. We've got story, not story mode.
43:02
What do they call it for dungeons, follower dungeons, so
43:06
that everybody has access to this, whether you're playing
43:09
alone and maybe have like a bit of anxiety playing in Group
43:12
content, or if you, if you want to push us on like heroic as
43:17
soon as you can, like that's all available to them.
43:20
So I'm hoping that now they're going to use dungeons again for
43:23
story with less RPS just for Sean's sake.
43:29
I don't mind them. In the levelling, put them in
43:31
for levelling, put them in for mythic 0, but just cut it out
43:34
for mythic plus. We don't need that, I think.
43:37
Kills my flow. Up faster they did, my poor God.
43:40
King dirty. I'll never hear his soliloquy
43:42
again. I am God.
43:45
King Scovald fight. OK, Then of course, once you're
43:53
done through dungeons, you've done all of the the story
43:57
campaign, that's when you hit the raid.
44:00
And so I'm going to pass this one to you, Lex, as somebody who
44:04
loves rating with like blind and experiencing it, experiencing
44:08
for the first time. Tell us a little bit about what
44:11
you're not going to be learning about before a raid.
44:14
Yeah, so. Raiding is interesting this
44:17
year. This at least the first patch of
44:20
the expansion. Because there's actually 3
44:23
raids. One of them is 1/6 boss raid,
44:25
one of them is a one boss raid, and one of those two boss raid.
44:29
So there's the Void Spire which is the 6th boss raid that.
44:34
Sounds to me more like. The standard rate that you're
44:36
kind of expecting where you're fighting the void, you're
44:40
dealing with the formidable foes and cosmic horrors, as they say,
44:44
that's your sixth boss rate. Then there's the dream Rift,
44:47
which sounds to me like it's more like the Heronier Heronier.
44:55
That's your one boss rate, so you're only fighting one boy.
44:58
Very curious how that one's going to go.
45:01
And then you have March on Caldanis.
45:05
Caldanis, I know how to speak. That's your two boss raid, which
45:09
I think is technically a spoiler if you talk about it too much.
45:11
So I'm not going to talk about it too much, but 3 raves and I'm
45:16
a little, I might have missed an announcement.
45:19
I don't know that they've necessarily told us if you have
45:22
to go through them in this order, right?
45:25
If it has to be Void Spire, Dream Rift March or if they kind
45:29
of leave that up to you. I know they've said that they're
45:31
all active upon launch, but I'm really excited.
45:35
I am on record. I know this is Lex's bad take
45:38
podcast. I'm on record saying that I love
45:40
Crucible of Storms. So I like the mini raids.
45:43
I think they're fun. I think they're cute.
45:44
I think they're a good way to like experience things with, you
45:46
know, energy and and they get to try different mechanics and try
45:49
things that are a little bit more complicated, a little bit
45:52
weird. So I'm very excited about this.
45:54
How are we feeling about the raids?
45:56
Let's pass this to Sean. Go ahead.
46:00
I yeah, I I mean, it's. Just I'm I'm sure it'll be
46:05
great. It's just one raid tier with
46:09
three locations. So instead of a single 9 bus
46:12
raid, it's just a. 9 bus raid broken.
46:15
Up into three locations, especially if they're all
46:19
dropping loot on the same like item level track, then that's
46:22
how that will play out. You'll have your raid night
46:25
where you'll go and do you know whichever 1 is considered
46:28
easiest and then you'll go into the next one and the next one.
46:30
I think the six box raid is intended to be the last one
46:33
because it is says it's where I thought there was a thing about
46:39
finding Salitaf. Or yeah, I can't find that
46:42
anymore, but I do remember somebody saying it.
46:44
Yeah, I read it somewhere that. It was hold on, here we go. 3
46:48
raids, new bosses. Void Spire 6 boss raid within
46:51
the Void Storm that serves as Alitat Stronghold.
46:54
The Dream Rift, A single boss raid that takes players to a
46:57
place where the fail between primordial dreams and brutal
46:59
reality is thin and March on Queldonas 2 bus raid with large
47:03
story spoilers. More details on this raid to
47:06
come later. I suspect March on Keldonas will
47:10
be the first one because it will probably be what we used to
47:13
unlock silver moon or something like that in the story and then
47:17
the rest of them following after.
47:18
But yeah, it's I mean, I'm looking forward to I think 99
47:23
bus raid is good. It's a little.
47:24
It's probably the cap for the number I would want and this.
47:29
Potentially opens it up. For some people to try some
47:31
mythic bosses who maybe they wouldn't, it's a lot easier to
47:33
get people together to try one mythic boss than it is to get
47:36
them to lock in for 8:00. So that's nice.
47:40
But I don't see this as like any groundbreaking change to rating
47:44
or the race to world first. It's it's just a nine boss raid
47:47
broken up into three locations, which is fine I.
47:51
Think that they have to be very careful about how they put this
47:56
forward if you OK, So looking at the current raid where we
48:00
assisted the straight track, well, I mean there's like an
48:03
option of which boss you take on 2nd, but like it's basically a
48:08
straight straight track through through the raid.
48:11
And so the difficulty ramping up is pretty linear when you have
48:16
three entry points, 3 if the if the 6th boss raid is utterly
48:22
linear, 3 bosses that can be approached as like anywhere
48:26
between 2nd and 6th boss, right? Or sorry, 2nd and 4th boss
48:31
rather you. I think that like how they tune
48:36
these is going to be weird. There might be like where you're
48:39
in that 2 boss raid and it's like first boss, fairly entry
48:42
second boss. What the hell, we got to go farm
48:44
something else. There's going to be that like as
48:47
you said, there's going to be a accept, accepted, widely
48:52
accepted, widely adopted path through this where, yes, it's
48:57
going to become nine bosses in a very particular order just in
49:01
three different locations. And I'm not going to like when
49:05
it's like, OK, we're going to clear through this and then
49:07
we're going to walk out of here. We're going to all pour it over
49:09
here and then we're going to clear, clear this one.
49:11
And then we'll go over here. Like that to me is hella
49:15
annoying and is going to ruin some people's raid nights just
49:18
because of the time lost going back and forth in between.
49:21
I mean, I'm pretty convinced. Story wise, it's Void Spire
49:25
March and then Dream Rift is kind of its own little thing
49:28
just based on the like little bits of information we have
49:30
about the story. So I guess I would guess that
49:33
it's less going to be you're popping around a million
49:34
different places and more you do Void Spire and like you do the
49:40
six bosses together, then you pop over.
49:43
I guess one thing I'm forgetting is that you guys tend to finish
49:46
normal on like Night 1. So we might be a little
49:50
different. I know as I'm speaking, I
49:52
understand the issue a little bit more clearly.
49:54
Yeah, but also Lex. If your team hits a wall going
50:00
through the six boss raid and you haven't attempted the other
50:03
ones, don't you think there's a point where we're like, oh,
50:06
we're really not working on this.
50:08
Let's go deal with like the other raid to go get some gear.
50:12
Like I think all teams are going to have that kind of discussion,
50:15
even if like they don't do it all the time.
50:18
That's fair. And I do, actually, I'm really.
50:19
Interested, as a raid leader, how we're going to approach
50:21
this, Because I think you guys are right.
50:22
There's going to be kind of a path that people take.
50:24
But I'm guessing that we are going to have some degree of
50:26
conversation about how we're going to go about this and then
50:28
how we want to make it work. Because, yeah, you know, if you
50:31
have a rough night, you can do March and get involved.
50:35
Yeah, I don't think you're going to be.
50:36
Able to, though I think the difficulty will be tuned like
50:40
the way I'm reading this. So six boss raid, 2 boss raid, 1
50:44
bus raid is you would do the first six bosses of the current
50:50
raid and then after boss 6 you would leave and then the next
50:55
two boss raid would be the next two bosses.
50:57
So bosses 6:00 and 7:00. So Fractalis and Nexus King and
51:03
then the one bus raid would be De Bencia.
51:04
Seen that example like that. I don't think you're going to
51:06
have the, I don't think if you get on boss four of the six boss
51:09
raid and you get stuck. I don't anticipate this is
51:12
assuming that the difficulty curve goes 6 bus raid, 2 bus
51:15
raid, 1 bus raid. I don't think you're going to
51:17
have the option to go to another raid and get Lube because I
51:20
think it's going to be tuned to expect that you had cleared that
51:22
six boss raid or vice versa. If you if you start on the 2
51:26
boss raid and you struggle on the second like I I expect that
51:28
there there's if I. Will be very.
51:32
Frustrated if they tune it so that the first boss of the two
51:35
boss raid is easy and the second boss of the two boss raid
51:38
requires that you've cleared the six boss raid first, but you
51:41
can't clear the six boss raid until you click if.
51:44
If that is the difficulty curve, that'll be brutal.
51:47
That'll that'll suck. It's going to be clear through
51:50
1, clear through 1, clear through 1.
51:51
So any rate team that clears all of normal, all of heroic in a
51:54
single night or even when you're in farm.
51:56
So when you're far, it's every rate team basically.
51:59
It will. I agree with that.
51:59
You don't get annoying. You'll lose time because of
52:01
travel. But I don't think this is like I
52:04
don't, I don't think this is going to be like some novel idea
52:07
that changes rating. I just think it's a nine bus
52:09
tier that includes more travel time than usual.
52:12
Were you guys playing? During Mr. Pandaria raiding in
52:15
during Mr. Pandaria. No, no.
52:17
OK, so Mr. Pandaria is the last time this this happened, but the
52:20
raids weren't released all at the same time.
52:23
You had Mogashon vaults. You cleared through Mogashon
52:26
vaults. You went into heart affair.
52:27
You cleared through heart affair.
52:28
You went to terrorists of the endless.
52:30
Sorry, terrorists of everlasting Spring or something.
52:35
It's it was just called toes. I apologize.
52:37
I don't recall exactly what that stood for.
52:40
So you remember toes? Though.
52:43
I mean, it's Alotaph season. Everybody remembers toes.
52:45
We're all thinking about the toes.
52:47
So. Like there was a very clear
52:50
path, but there was a point where it's like, OK, maybe you
52:53
were having issues in a later boss of the first the first one.
53:01
So you would clear through some of the bosses in Heart of an
53:06
Sorry Heart of fear. And thank you Epidemi who
53:10
reminded me that it is Terrace of Endless Spring.
53:13
Anyways, there was also an example if you guys remember BFA
53:18
where we had the battle for Tsar lore and then the Crucible of
53:21
Storms came out right after. Crucible of storms was really
53:24
13, boss 13 and boss 14. You needed to be geared from
53:29
from one raid to really have a good chance in the other.
53:33
And I think like if they do that, if they stagger the
53:36
releases so that it kind of telegraphs that it would be
53:41
best. But like right now what we're
53:43
hearing is that they're all released at the same time and
53:46
you guys got to figure it out. And I, I feel that is a man.
53:54
Am I asking for time gating? Is that what's happening here?
53:56
I think I'm asking for time gating.
53:58
Come at me, friends. Oh, that would be that.
54:01
Would be worse. Do not time gate this.
54:03
That would be horrible. This Well, I I this.
54:05
Is why I I don't anticipate that they are going to make it so
54:09
that like you go like I my guess is that the first boss.
54:15
I I I'm guessing. That Dream Rift and March are
54:17
going to be more complex because they're smaller, the same way
54:20
the Crucible was more complex because it was smaller.
54:22
But I, I guess I don't know, I'm really curious how they're going
54:27
to do this and I'm really excited.
54:28
I think that this could be really fun and, and give us a
54:31
lot of ways to move around in, in ways we don't usually have to
54:34
move around. For example, I'm really curious
54:35
how this is going to affect race the world 1st and whether there
54:39
might be something where like one thing I was really excited
54:42
about when they announced this actually is, I think I was
54:43
complaining a few episodes back that there's really no space for
54:46
other teams to be anything other than like first boss players.
54:50
But I can imagine a world where it's set in such a way that the
54:52
big teams hit voidspeer Voidspire immediately to try to
54:56
get the biggest, the most impressive race to world first.
54:59
But you can. There are smaller teams that are
55:01
competing dream rift in March. That said, as I say this, that
55:04
also means that you're splitting attention a lot.
55:05
So like who knows if anyone cares, But I I, I I can see a
55:08
lot of I can totally agree with you guys.
55:10
I can see a lot of ways this is going to suck, but I can also
55:12
see a lot of ways where this can be really cool.
55:14
And it's going to open up rating in in such a way that it's, it's
55:16
easier to plug in and teams getting more creative, right?
55:20
Teams that maybe struggle, struggle in, in certain aspects,
55:23
like teams that have like weaker DPS might have different ones
55:26
that they go on or teams that struggle with healing might have
55:28
things that they work on. And anyway, I, I'm, I'm excited
55:33
about this. I think this is really cool and
55:35
I think this has the opportunity to be really exciting.
55:38
I'm going to say it's all about the loot.
55:39
Where's the tear? People are going to stack those
55:42
raids real quick if they if it's within shooting distance and you
55:46
can sort of skip the final boss of the sixth boss one and then
55:51
get tear from the other ones. People will jump around for the
55:55
loot, even if the difficulty isn't quite that way.
55:59
So there's a lot of things that will affect race to world first
56:02
progress and like what they what they hit or not.
56:04
Like the quote UN quote optional boss has like boots that
56:08
everybody wants. So it's it's something that
56:12
people will hit. But like with this reset that
56:14
happened, did the teams go back and do do that or did they go
56:18
straight to try and like get Prague?
56:21
Sean, you be casting everybody. Re cleared, Yeah, everybody do
56:24
the full re clear. OK, yeah.
56:25
And they one shot every. Boss on the re clear because of
56:27
the nerves. Oh, wow.
56:29
OK, OK, so yeah, this is this will be interesting for for
56:36
rating progress both at the at home level and the race world
56:40
first. It'll be, it'll be cool to see
56:42
how that goes, but we've been talking about the Harandar and
56:48
where the here and there come from.
56:49
So it should be no surprise to anybody that we are getting the
56:54
here and there as a playable race.
56:56
After vanishing from the face of the earth at the start of
57:02
Undermine, they are back in a big way.
57:04
They can be Horde or Alliance. They are able to roll as a
57:09
druid, a warrior or hunter, a rogue, a priest, a mage, A
57:13
warlock, A monk or shaman. Obviously so many people are
57:18
looking at those druid forms and saying Druid, druid.
57:21
That means that you know you cannot be a death knight, you
57:23
cannot be a paladin, you cannot be an evoker, nor can you be a
57:27
Demon Hunter. Why you would want to be a
57:30
paladin clearly that's just somebody being masochistic, but
57:36
what what do you guys say here and are interesting you let's
57:42
start with you Lex I'm. Boycotting it because I still
57:46
haven't gotten murlocs. I will not be playing a hard
57:48
here. Mostly there.
57:50
There's other reasons that we're playing a hard here, but we're
57:52
going to talk about that in a hot sack.
57:53
So I'll we'll put a pin in that 10.
57:56
OK, OK, I like. That they don't wear shoes like
58:02
trolls and I like that they have feet like night owls so.
58:08
There you go, Blizzard. Blizzard was like catching in
58:10
the Lasala toes or like now you can play a race that you see the
58:13
toes all the time. Yeah, yeah.
58:15
I mean, I'm in different. I'm, I'm glad we're getting
58:17
another race. I guess people like them.
58:19
I'm going to play the same 2 races I've always played So
58:22
cool. I'm happy for Pete.
58:24
Like, you know, I know there's a lot of people who are really
58:27
upset that the hair and hair weren't over every aspect of
58:30
Undermine and or Koresh because they don't understand that you
58:33
can start a story, beat and then set it down for a minute and
58:36
then pick it back up later. Media literacy is really tough.
58:39
And so they thought, well, they're not immediately talking
58:42
with them right now. They must not exist anymore.
58:44
Did Blizzard delete them? And they'll go to.
58:47
Their back, weird, yeah, a lot of a lot of appearance changes,
58:52
though. They look pretty cool.
58:53
Happy for folks to get a class that they wanted, the player
58:56
race that they wanted to play. You know, anybody who looks at
58:59
the Heron air and think, oh man, that's me.
59:00
I'm glad you can play as them. I think this is the.
59:03
First time that we are repeating a rate like a a race in the
59:07
allied races though, am I correct?
59:09
Because this is the second troll ish is that they're not really a
59:13
troll. Well, I mean, they're I want to
59:16
get an halfway step. Between.
59:17
Troll and and elves and night elves, yeah, and I'm.
59:21
Also being an idiot. Because dark eye we have dark
59:23
iron dwarfs and we also have earthen.
59:25
So I immediately am proven wrong interaction OK, but I mean like.
59:30
The Urban got deleted after undermine, so there you go,
59:34
deleted. But yeah, now we've got the hair
59:38
and R who have avoided that same fate and I'm interested in
59:45
seeing them. I think they did a good job when
59:47
they introduced the urban with their like local stories and
59:50
stuff, making them, making them seem really cool that I but I
59:54
haven't touched an Urban since the Harn air.
59:57
I think it's going to be pretty similar where it's like, Oh,
59:59
that's cool. And that's like a really cool
1:00:01
story. And then they're just going to
1:00:02
be like, OK. I think when Blizzard was
1:00:04
introducing races before they really made the expansion all
1:00:08
about that race, like burning Crusade was so blood elves, so
1:00:14
so deny and so and so forth. Like you had Morgan all over the
1:00:18
place and and goblins all over the place.
1:00:21
Now it's just sort of like a, OK, this is a a feature and
1:00:24
like, maybe I like the aesthetic or maybe I don't.
1:00:27
These guys I I don't like open feet like this not my not my
1:00:32
thing. Sorry.
1:00:33
I do moving right along. Can you talk about the new spec
1:00:40
coming? I think, oh man, I don't even
1:00:43
know who to throw this to because you guys, did you want
1:00:45
me to? Did you want me to?
1:00:46
Do this one you do over it. I'm going to get water did.
1:00:48
You want? Go ahead, legs.
1:00:50
OK, so. You all thought we were crazy.
1:00:53
You all thought we were ridiculous and silly.
1:00:55
We are getting a third Demon Hunter spec and it's void themed
1:00:59
and it's range and it's called devour.
1:01:01
It's mid range. Sorry, it's mid range.
1:01:03
It's called devourer. You're so again, it's it's
1:01:07
focused on soul harvesting techniques.
1:01:09
So presumably it's a build and burn thing.
1:01:11
I'm think I'm using words correctly.
1:01:13
You're doing some range, some meat and some melee.
1:01:16
You're kind of popping all in and out.
1:01:18
You can get void elf demon hunters now, which is super
1:01:21
exciting. And I, I, I, OK, I'm actually
1:01:26
going to spend a couple seconds. I'm going to appeal directly to
1:01:28
FAS dev FAS dev. I'm never going to ask this of
1:01:31
you again. I've never asked of it of you
1:01:33
before. I just need this one thing.
1:01:35
I need you to get me alpha access.
1:01:37
I need, I need this so much. This is the only time in my
1:01:39
entire life that I'm ever going to play alpha.
1:01:42
This I. I need to play.
1:01:43
Devour I'm so excited and if it sucks I'm going to be devastated
1:01:46
but Oh my God I've 'cause I OK OK OK here's the thing.
1:01:51
I'm not really a melee girl. I play melee because I enjoy the
1:01:56
Demon Hunter mobility and the way that it it moves like
1:02:00
movement is so part of the the spec.
1:02:03
Unclear if that's going to be true of our but I kind of can't
1:02:06
imagine a Demon Hunter speck that isn't mobile.
1:02:08
Like that would just be such a departure from a Demon Hunter.
1:02:10
I'm like why would you even make that a Demon Hunter speck?
1:02:12
Just make a new class, Not that I have any feelings on that.
1:02:14
So I'm hoping, guessing knock on wood, that this will also be
1:02:17
mobile and if I could have a mobile range class my life would
1:02:21
be set. Do you have any idea how happy
1:02:23
I'd be? This would be the greatest thing
1:02:25
that ever happened to me so I'm really excited about the power.
1:02:27
How does anyone have thoughts? I.
1:02:30
I want to introduce you to Hunter, which is a mobile range
1:02:35
spec that often can just keep moving around and do damage not
1:02:41
caring. But I do think that the mid
1:02:45
range part of this is pretty interesting.
1:02:49
This is them kind of doubling down on the evoker thing where
1:02:55
it's like OK, 25 yard range, not that 40 yard range.
1:02:59
Also making a Demon Hunter have an option where it's not in the
1:03:04
puddle of melee is is also pretty interesting.
1:03:10
I think that I, I, I think that this is definitely something
1:03:17
that could shake up stuff. It's going to be a question of
1:03:22
do you play Havoc or do you play Devourer?
1:03:28
Like which one plays safer in the mechanics?
1:03:31
You're getting that same buff. They're fighting over that, that
1:03:33
same spot. I don't know, like it.
1:03:35
It might just be in terms of like tuning what?
1:03:40
What's the utility that Demon Hunter brings?
1:03:43
Usually it's just that 5% magic damage buff and bringing its own
1:03:50
damage. Well, first of all, yeah.
1:03:53
The 5% would be pretty chunky if I'm also doing magic damage in
1:03:56
this case. I guess maybe I'm not.
1:03:58
I don't know how damage works. It doesn't matter.
1:03:59
I mean, darkness is always. Great in terms of like a a nice
1:04:04
little defensive utility? Well, I'd like to be sure, I
1:04:07
don't think. Maybe I'm about to look like an
1:04:09
idiot. I don't think every class has
1:04:10
like unique utility right? Like there are certain ones that
1:04:14
do really exciting things, but not everyone if you're.
1:04:18
Talking from a mythic bus perspective, demon hunters bring
1:04:22
Casanova so it's an ALE stun. They bring darkness as you
1:04:25
mentioned. They bring an immunity and
1:04:26
another walk. They bring in prison which is
1:04:30
nice for skips if they're a night elf.
1:04:33
And if you're playing and you're not a night elf Demon Hunter,
1:04:35
you're not playing seriously. They bring shadows or they bring
1:04:38
shadow meld. That everybody should know.
1:04:41
My Demon Hunter is a blood elf so I am in the non serious club.
1:04:47
So that's they bring those things and then yeah, from a
1:04:51
raid perspective, it's the you're looking at darkness,
1:04:53
you're looking at a potential nether walk immunity, good
1:04:55
damage, good self sustainability, high mobility.
1:04:59
Also many those fun and. They bring, they bring fun and
1:05:02
fun and it's. Fun to make fun of you when you
1:05:04
backflip off. The off the arena and that's
1:05:07
really good for. You to noom, Noom all.
1:05:10
Over the place, you literally knew.
1:05:11
It's so exciting. Oh my God, you guys.
1:05:13
I the problem is Devourer is going to come out and it's going
1:05:17
to be a like stop and cast like nothing like other demon
1:05:21
hunters, and I'm going to be the most disappointed I've ever been
1:05:23
in my life. But as of right now, it's going
1:05:25
to be so slow over the moon. So slow.
1:05:30
It's going to be awesome. You're going to be playing your
1:05:31
devoured Demon Hunter cursing that they can't do pray
1:05:34
correctly I because the tuning is off.
1:05:36
I did end up playing. Void Elf for like simply because
1:05:41
I got so committed when they announced void elf to being
1:05:44
excited about void elf that when it came out I was like, well, I
1:05:46
guess I'm playing Void elf until I switch to Demon Hunter.
1:05:48
So first of all, I'm going back to void elf.
1:05:50
But also the fact that I'm saying publicly that I'm really
1:05:53
excited about this means when it comes out I will feel obligated
1:05:57
to love it. Like I'm going to be like, well,
1:06:00
I'm determined to enjoy devourer, so I'm going to be the
1:06:03
biggest devourer since you've ever seen.
1:06:07
I mean, like you, you get to enjoy it on the alpha and then
1:06:09
you, you can ditch it when it goes live.
1:06:11
You're like, I had my fun. And then they made those changes
1:06:14
and oh, I, I gave it, I gave it a fair shot.
1:06:17
That's basically how you can't have trouble.
1:06:19
So. That is true.
1:06:20
I have to be fair. I'm saying I want alpha so bad,
1:06:23
but previously when I got alpha I like obsessively told everyone
1:06:26
how much they needed to play this game because it's the best
1:06:28
thing that ever came out. And then once it became big, I
1:06:30
was like, oh, I don't really like this boy.
1:06:35
OK, All right, festive, ignore that last comment.
1:06:39
We'll see if you can get alpha. But yeah, all of this is is
1:06:43
there. There was also a lot of talk
1:06:46
about housing, but unfortunately we are already at an hour here,
1:06:50
so we're really going to have to cut this short.
1:06:53
There's so much info out there. There's more info that's coming
1:06:56
on out later this week, so we will be going going through that
1:07:01
as well in the next episode. Before we run though, I have one
1:07:06
more thing. That's what I was about to ask.
1:07:08
Do you have anything? You want to add?
1:07:09
Yeah, one more thing. Transmog is going to be cheaper
1:07:13
and it no not free cheaper. The headlines on every single
1:07:20
website that said that transmogging will be free are a
1:07:23
gross misrepresentation of what the actual reality is for
1:07:28
transmogging. So they're switching to a slot
1:07:30
based transmog instead of right now.
1:07:32
The way transmog works is you transmog the specific item
1:07:36
you're wearing to look like something else.
1:07:38
The transition they're making is you will be, so you have to pay
1:07:42
every time you get a new piece of armor to transmog it.
1:07:44
The transition they're making is you'll be transmogging to the
1:07:47
slot itself, so you'll make your shoulders look a certain way.
1:07:52
That will still cost you gold, but it remains that look
1:07:56
forever. You pay once for the for
1:07:59
creating the outfit and then you can change the outfits for free,
1:08:02
but you still will have to pay for that initial outfit that you
1:08:06
set up. So not free, but much cheaper,
1:08:09
which is nice. But every you're right, Manny,
1:08:11
literally every single news aggregate website said
1:08:16
transmogging will be free in the war within in mid in midnight.
1:08:21
And they're all liars. They're all click baity liars.
1:08:27
I'm looking at you in chat. You know who you are, you click
1:08:30
baiter. I'm blaming him.
1:08:34
I know he didn't do it well, OK. I I I'm looking forward to my
1:08:40
almost free trans blog in midnight and I am looking
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forward to the next episode because we have a lot more
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information that is going to be coming out through Gamescon and
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we will be going through that as well.
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So make sure you are back here or jump into the discord bit dot
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LY flat slash fast discord so that you can join in the
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conversations. Until next time, though, may all
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your hits be quits.