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Sharri | 14 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Andrew, thanks for that. Welcome to Shari.
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Speaker 2: Steve Price filling in this week. And finally, it seems
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Speaker 2: Australia is going to have a debate about immigration levels
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Speaker 2: and targeted selection. Just wait for the Green Left to
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Speaker 2: lose their minds. I'll have more on that in just
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Speaker 2: one moment. Coming up tonight on Shari, the coalition spokesman
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Speaker 2: whose job it will be to actually sell this policy
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Speaker 2: along with Angus Taylor. This policy, of course, is going
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Speaker 2: to be very hard to sell. Opposition spokesman on Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs and Immigration Jonathan Dunham on selection to migrants and
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Speaker 2: expelling visa overstays, said to be a staggering sixty five
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Speaker 2: thousand people, but who really knows what that figure is.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, President Donald Trump's brain fade, posting himself as
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Speaker 2: a healing Jesus and then claiming he was portraying himself
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Speaker 2: as a doctor instead, and doubling down on his criticism
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Speaker 2: of the first US Pope, Leo. I'll talk to our
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Speaker 2: panel about that. Plus Victorian Shadow Police spokesman Brad Batten
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Speaker 2: in the lead up to next month's local by election
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Speaker 2: in Nepean and a state election in November on his
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Speaker 2: party's plans to crack down on out of control crime.
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Speaker 2: But first to Angus Taylor and as you have been
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Speaker 2: hearing and seeing during the day, a coalition policy on
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Speaker 2: immigration that clearly sets up a contest of ideas between
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Speaker 2: now and the next federal election. In twenty twenty eight,
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Speaker 2: in a speech to the Venzies Research Center, a liberal
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Speaker 2: line think tank, with John Howard in the front row
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Speaker 2: in the audience, the new Opposition leader made the case
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Speaker 2: for a drop in migrant numbers, as he should, but
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Speaker 2: failing to put an actual number on that until closer
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Speaker 2: to the election, and a promise that it will be
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Speaker 2: hard to quantify and concentrate on bringing in people who
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Speaker 2: will follow Australian values. Have a look what has happened.
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Speaker 3: The standards have got too low, the numbers have got
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Speaker 3: too high, and we haven't said to people, come with
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Speaker 3: this country. The privilege of being Australian means you've got
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Speaker 3: to adopt our vends. That's what we haven't done.
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Speaker 2: Now most of us would agree with that. It is
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Speaker 2: a position, a great ambition, but the problem for the opposition,
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Speaker 2: And as I said, I'll talk to John o'donnheam shortly
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Speaker 2: what exactly in twenty twenty six are those Australian values
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Speaker 2: that Taylor speaks of. It's one thing to talk about
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Speaker 2: the Australian notion of a fair go, but how do
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Speaker 2: you explain that exactly to a migrant from say China,
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Speaker 2: or even the countries the opposition singled out today, the UK,
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Speaker 2: the US and Japan, And more broadly, does the idea
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Speaker 2: of a fair go even still exist today in our
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Speaker 2: increasingly woke world, where often your skin color or your
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Speaker 2: sex means more than your commitment to an idea of patriotism.
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Speaker 2: Social media and a fracturing of information. People absorbi is
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Speaker 2: very different to the nineteen fifties when wartawn Europeans jumped
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Speaker 2: on migrant ships to Australia. All they wanted was a job,
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Speaker 2: a safe place away from war, and a place to
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Speaker 2: raise a family, a backyard and a house. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if that meant adopting a she'll be right made attitude,
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they were all in. When quiz posted his speech.
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Speaker 2: Taylor today talked about celebrating Australia.
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Speaker 3: If you come here, can I say I think the
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Speaker 3: heart of it we've stopped celebrating our great nation. Mat
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Speaker 3: The fact that it's been controversial to stand only in
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Speaker 3: front of Australian flags is just extraordinary. And we've got
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Speaker 3: to get back to celebrating our country and asking people
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Speaker 3: who come to our country and what it becomes citizens
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Speaker 3: of our country to celebrate it as well.
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Speaker 2: Who couldn't disagree with that? But it's all well and good,
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Speaker 2: and I agree entirely about one flag, the Australian flag.
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Speaker 2: But the reality is we will by the end of
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Speaker 2: this year be more than four years into a federal
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Speaker 2: labor government, and in states like Victoria, twelve years is
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Speaker 2: of labor governments. I mean, that's seen the flag policy trashed,
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Speaker 2: Indigenous only courts established, and in Victoria's case, a treaty
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Speaker 2: legislated into law that treat Victorians of indigenous background differently,
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Speaker 2: to the point where every piece of legislation has to
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Speaker 2: be run past a group of people in an alternative
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Speaker 2: body to the state parliament. What will migrants you are
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Speaker 2: asking to treasure the Australian fair go actually make of that?
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Speaker 2: I mean Taylor talked about democracy, the rule of law,
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Speaker 2: and religion.
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Speaker 3: Some aspects of our country should be beyond that kind
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Speaker 3: of debate when it comes to who we bring into
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Speaker 3: the country. If you don't respect democracy, I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: why you would want.
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Speaker 2: To come here.
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Speaker 3: If you don't accept our rule of law. Again, I
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Speaker 3: don't think it's right for you.
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Speaker 1: There might be other places in the world, but not here.
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Speaker 3: And if you don't believe in our basic freedoms of speech, religion, association, again,
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Speaker 3: this is not the country for you.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: His fellow front bench of Dante and a bloke who
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Speaker 2: I have great regard for, was on ABC Radio in
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Speaker 2: Melbourne today before Taylor actually delivered that speech, and he
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Speaker 2: wound himself up in knots when quized on various aspects
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Speaker 2: of the new immigration policy, including how it would impact
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Speaker 2: Chinese migrants coming from a one party dictatorship that is,
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Speaker 2: the Communist Party of China, and even the idea of
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Speaker 2: equal treatment of women.
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Speaker 5: China is a dictatorship. Is the Chinese community or are
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Speaker 5: Chinese migrants in the gun here? Is that what that's
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Speaker 5: talking about?
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Speaker 6: No, it's there is no one, no specific nationality is
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Speaker 6: in the gun here. We are strictly adhering to our
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Speaker 6: non discriminatory approach that basically was the liberal party introduced.
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Speaker 2: To this nation when we got rid of the Australia.
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Speaker 5: Do you have a preference for those from liberal democracies? So,
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Speaker 5: and you have a problem with or a concern about
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Speaker 5: people coming from places ruled by dictators and foreign agents.
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Speaker 5: Isn't it a reasonable inference that that's your target.
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Speaker 6: No, it's not rap. And I think you've been rather
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Speaker 6: mischievous in saying that.
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Speaker 5: It's just that they're quite brilliant statements that seemed to
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Speaker 5: it could mean. So what does belief in Nica rights
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Speaker 5: for men and women mean?
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Speaker 6: Well, we can get in a philosophical debate around that.
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Speaker 6: Raff And as you said, you're a little bit short
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Speaker 6: for time.
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Speaker 2: Poor old Danny even got the name of the interviewer,
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Speaker 2: walidl Ight wrong and referred to raf Epstein. Look, it
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Speaker 2: was hard to listen to, and I'm surprised that the
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Speaker 2: Coalition put out Dan te And to talk about this
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Speaker 2: on radio this morning before the policy was delivered. Look,
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Speaker 2: I applaud the beginning of the debate about migration. We've
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Speaker 2: had to have that, we should have had it a
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Speaker 2: long time ago. Anyone with children struggling to buy a
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Speaker 2: house in a capital city in this country thinks we
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Speaker 2: have let too many people during Labour's first three and
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Speaker 2: a bit years. We've let in the size of a
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Speaker 2: population of Adelaide. Many Australians are uncomfortable about large ethnic
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Speaker 2: populations gathered in the same suburbs who go about their
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Speaker 2: lives as if they are still back in their own countries.
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Speaker 2: But Angus Taylor and John o'dunnham, who i'll talk too shortly,
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Speaker 2: have to sell this message very clearly. Unlike Dante in
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Speaker 2: today there are sections of the media and there are
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Speaker 2: ethnic lobby groups and religious groups who will try and
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Speaker 2: paint this policy as being racist and a return to
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Speaker 2: a race based immigration policy as some sort of right
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Speaker 2: wing conservative sop to one nation. Instead, they need to
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Speaker 2: talk about numbers, about skilled migration, about what sized country
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Speaker 2: we want to have. So I wish them all good
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Speaker 2: luck with that to my panel in a second, but
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Speaker 2: I can't let this pass us by. Let's talk Harry
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Speaker 2: the ex Prince and wife Meghan in Melbourne tonight and
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Speaker 2: welcome to them if they're actually watching. They arrived in
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Speaker 2: a first class cabin of a Quantus flight today out
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Speaker 2: of la and according to people on the flight that
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Speaker 2: interacted with them, they were very pleasant, not particularly hard.
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Speaker 2: I say, when you're flying in first class. Look, this
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Speaker 2: is not a Royal visit, as the pair are not
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Speaker 2: working Royals, which raises the question, the awkward question, I
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Speaker 2: should say, of who is actually paying for any security
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Speaker 2: that they may need. To get to the bottom of
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Speaker 2: that question has not been easy. Victoria Police deflected queries
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Speaker 2: to the organizers of the various high priced events that
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Speaker 2: the pair will be hosting the state government. Well, they
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Speaker 2: wouldn't comment, And the police themselves went a little further
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Speaker 2: with this hilarious statement which they put out. They said, quote,
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Speaker 2: police are aware two high profile people are visiting Melbourne
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Speaker 2: in a private capacity. Police will deploy resources as necessary
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Speaker 2: to ensure community safety. Well, that seems to imply crowd
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Speaker 2: crushes eager to spot these two grifters in town. I
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Speaker 2: doubt that will happen, but I might be wrong given
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Speaker 2: the celebrity driven social media world that we now live in.
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Speaker 2: But have a squizz. Look, they went to a hospital
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Speaker 2: today and I congratulate that I'm on going to the
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Speaker 2: Royal Children's Hospital and they went to a women's refuge.
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Speaker 2: But have a squiz at the rest of the itinery
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Speaker 2: and make up your own mind. Megan, or the Duchess
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Speaker 2: as she likes to be referred to, visited a women's
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Speaker 2: homeless shelter today and started cooking for Tata, but then
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Speaker 2: she disappears tomorrow, before re emerging Thursday along with Harry
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Speaker 2: to visit something called Scartree in a Melbourne park. I'm
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Speaker 2: not making this up. I had to actually look it up.
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Speaker 2: It's in the Arra Park. It's a red gun supposedly
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Speaker 2: scarred by aboriginals taking off its bark to build canoes.
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Speaker 2: I kid you not. The pair are off then to
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Speaker 2: a Melbourne mental health summit where Harry is the keynote speaker. Now,
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Speaker 2: tickets if you want to go a lot our price
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Speaker 2: between nine hundred and ninety seven dollars and two thousand,
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Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy eight dollars or seventeen thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: at table now. Organizers say the funds will go toward Lifeline. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's a great cause and I hope that means all
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Speaker 2: the funds. Megan. Sydney event seems less charitable by the way.
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Speaker 2: It's a premium women's retreat. Tickets priced at two thousand,
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Speaker 2: six hundred and ninety nine dollars and if you pay
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Speaker 2: for a VIP package and kick in an extra five
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Speaker 2: hundred bucks, you get your photo. It was going to
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Speaker 2: include a one on one interview with the Duchess by
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Speaker 2: Jackie Oh of the Kyle and Jackie O Show fame,
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Speaker 2: but as Sky reported this week, that's all changed, and
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Speaker 2: Insider has revealed the Duchess was worried about the appearance
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Speaker 2: with Jackie O might be overshadowing using Jackie, so she
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Speaker 2: was replaced by an organizer of the event. Look, at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, if people are stupid enough
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Speaker 2: to shell out that sort of money to see a
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Speaker 2: woman mainly famous these days for flogging jam good luck
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Speaker 2: to them. Let's get into the Angus Taylor's big new
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Speaker 2: policies announcement today on immigration. Here was One Nation MP
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Speaker 2: part they'd be Joyce's Take on Politics Now with Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clanel this afternoon.
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Speaker 7: How sincere are they actually following this through? Is it
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Speaker 7: the rhetoric to try and get back votes from that
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Speaker 7: they've lost to One Nation or are they actually going
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Speaker 7: to follow it up? You have to put some meat
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Speaker 7: on the bone. What exactly do you mean if someone
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Speaker 7: doesn't believe in democracy that they shouldn't be here. Well,
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Speaker 7: how did you do ascertain that they didn't believe in democracy?
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Speaker 7: I imagine you're talking about places with a fundamentalist Islam.
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Speaker 7: Why do you just say it? You know we're going
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Speaker 7: to identify these countries and we won't be taking immigrants
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Speaker 7: from those countries. I mean, are you worried about what
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Speaker 7: Buddhism or is it as a heavy got concerns about
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Speaker 7: radical Anglicans.
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Speaker 2: He's got some cracking one liners these days. Barnaby. You
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Speaker 2: so said that Angus Taylor should have opened that speech
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Speaker 2: where they welcome to one nation policies past, present and emerging,
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Speaker 2: which I thought was not a bad line. Joining me
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Speaker 2: now former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and GXO Strategies director
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Speaker 2: Cameron Milner regulars with Shari. Of course, Holly, can Taylor
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Speaker 2: sell Australian values to the country without a number that
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Speaker 2: he would cut the intakes by? Is it really good
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Speaker 2: enough to wait until the election before we know how many?
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Speaker 8: No?
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Speaker 9: Look today was certainly I think a series of motherhood statements.
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Speaker 9: I noticed that you have John O'donnham coming up on
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Speaker 9: the program. John is certainly one of those talented members
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Speaker 9: of the Coalition that may be able to put some,
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Speaker 9: as Barnaby says, mate on the bones there. I mean
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Speaker 9: talking about legislating Australian values. I mean how do you
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Speaker 9: do that? That is almost impossible to define in law?
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Speaker 9: With signing up to Australian values. If you want to
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Speaker 9: migrate to Australia, it's I mean, what is the definition
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Speaker 9: of them?
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Speaker 10: If you look at the Liberal.
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Speaker 9: Party members and you look at Labor Party members, they
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Speaker 9: have pretty different belief systems when it comes to the
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Speaker 9: rights of the collective versus the rights of the individual
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Speaker 9: and personal responsibility. So whose values do they expect people
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Speaker 9: to sign up to. I think it's agreed across most Australians.
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Speaker 9: We've probably got enough uber drivers and seven to eleven cashiers,
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Speaker 9: but we need age care workers, we need nurses, we
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Speaker 9: need chefs, we need doctors in rural and regional areas,
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Speaker 9: we need skilled migration. There certainly needs to be a
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Speaker 9: lot more detail rather than these broad statements. And I
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Speaker 9: think Barnaby's right when you talk about if you mean
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Speaker 9: a certain population, then say a certain population. Listening to
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Speaker 9: Dan's interview, you were right he had the wrong presenter,
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Speaker 9: but it was painful in many other reasons than that.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, after the dreadful loss by the Liberals in the
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Speaker 2: last federal election, they did that study into why they
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Speaker 2: lost and then refused to release it. One of the
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Speaker 2: problems that they had a course, and you'd remember it well,
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Speaker 2: was they had policy, but they didn't put enough detail
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Speaker 2: around that policy. They just sort of thought that this
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Speaker 2: sort of idea, this thought bubble would get them across
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Speaker 2: the line, and history shows that wasn't good enough.
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Speaker 11: No it's not I mean Angus tail thinks he gets
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Speaker 11: by with good looks. I mean no, it's not politics
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Speaker 11: of the day. I mean he needs real detail. He
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Speaker 11: needs actual detail to compete. And that's what he's got
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Speaker 11: a problem with because, as we talk previously, Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 11: is out there doing the Liberal Party's work on immigration.
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Speaker 11: She's out there leading on a right wing policy on immigration.
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Speaker 11: I don't agree with it, but she's certainly leading on it.
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Speaker 11: And Angus is this following and it was pretty pathetic
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Speaker 11: today as a sort of sidebark commentary in front of
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Speaker 11: John Howard. It wasn't even a speech for goodness sake,
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Speaker 11: and no detail is Angus's problem. He thinks good looks
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Speaker 11: gets in there. It certainly wip't this time around, Holly.
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Speaker 2: I mean you're now well placed to answer this question
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Speaker 2: because you're out there running that business of your own.
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Speaker 2: How hard is it these days in twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 2: And this is a very broad question to define exactly
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Speaker 2: what Australian values are now? What IRA values? I mean,
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Speaker 2: labor has marched through the institutions, twelve years of labor
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, four years of labor out of Canberra, South Australia,
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Speaker 2: New South Wales, they're very good at doing that. How
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Speaker 2: do we actually define what our character now is?
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Speaker 9: Well, I can tell you some politicians should get themselves
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Speaker 9: to my front bar and they'd get a very very
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Speaker 9: strong lesson on what Australian values are. And it's about
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Speaker 9: working hard, it's about supporting your mates, it's about putting
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Speaker 9: everything in and having a good time at some point
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Speaker 9: as well.
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Speaker 10: So you know, Farmer Dave, I.
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Speaker 9: Would love to get some stage out talking to people
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Speaker 9: because that would give you a real insight into what
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Speaker 9: Australian values have always been. And the thing is they
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Speaker 9: haven't changed for these people.
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Speaker 10: Those values are strong and consistent.
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Speaker 9: They run farms, they work on mines, they work hard,
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Speaker 9: they come to the pub, they have their families. You know,
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Speaker 9: they are everything that we have always prided ourself on
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Speaker 9: it as a nation. But I think far too many
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Speaker 9: people in Canberra have lost sight as to who those
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Speaker 9: people are.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the Libs are to hire you as a consultant, Cameron,
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Speaker 2: You've worked at the top of the lake.
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Speaker 10: We're already punted now once.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, how hard is it to get these senior politicians
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Speaker 2: out into the real world. I mean we're sitting around
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Speaker 2: at the moment with Anthony Albanezi putting out ads lecturing
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Speaker 2: is to pump up our tires and take off our
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Speaker 2: roof racks. He wouldn't have put petrol in his car
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Speaker 2: for the last thirty five years because he's been in
16:35
Speaker 2: Parliament driving around in a taxpayer funded vehicle and now
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Speaker 2: with a driver. I mean, I'm not taking lectures about
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Speaker 2: how to conserve fuel from him.
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Speaker 11: Well no, And this is the problem with the politicians
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Speaker 11: being so out of touch, and especially album to your point,
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Speaker 11: driving around the limit with a fake elbow stick on
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Speaker 11: the back of the window.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the problem.
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Speaker 11: These guys get so out of touch, so out of touch,
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Speaker 11: and it wasn't such a patronizing gaslighting ad that we
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Speaker 11: pay twenty million dollars for. And what about the three
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Speaker 11: minute man performance the week before. Now, this is the
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Speaker 11: reason these these politicians get so out of touch because
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Speaker 11: they don't they spend time in your front bar, Holly,
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Speaker 11: or out there with the community.
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Speaker 2: And that's what they need to do.
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Speaker 11: They need to get back and talk to real people
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Speaker 11: and learn just what the cost living crisis is really.
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Speaker 2: About one hundred percent. Let's talk Donald Trump. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I don't know whether we'd say he's in touch, flying
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Speaker 2: between you know, Marra Lago and the golf course in
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Speaker 2: the White House, but he does tend to talk for
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Speaker 2: average Americans. But showing himself Holly as Jesus. After a
17:34
Speaker 2: backlash from religious leaders, he's now removed that image. He
17:38
Speaker 2: tried to convinces that this is him working as a
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Speaker 2: doctor for the Red Cross. I mean, the blokes. How
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Speaker 2: could he even possibly say that?
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Speaker 9: Look, and he put a tweet out around Easter, around
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Speaker 9: you know, resurrection and rising up again, not saying I'm Jesus.
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Speaker 10: You know, look, I love the Donald.
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Speaker 9: The Easter Bunny speech will be one of my favorite things,
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Speaker 9: I think forever.
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Speaker 10: But you know, I think he does this stuff to shock,
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Speaker 10: to get a reaction, and he gets it. You know.
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Speaker 9: I think at some stage everyone's just got to take
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Speaker 9: a bexit, a light out and go. This is just
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Speaker 9: what he does to get a reaction. He wanted to
18:20
Speaker 9: have a go at the Pope. You know, the Pope's
18:23
Speaker 9: out there basically calling for Kumbai. Ah, well, that's calling
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Speaker 9: for a despotic gray giene to be basically allowed to
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Speaker 9: continue and to continue developing nuclear weapons, which I think
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Speaker 9: any sane person Noise had they had that opportunity, they
18:37
Speaker 9: put them straight onto Israel. So you know, I think
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Speaker 9: he does this stuff for a reaction. He gets it.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I've got a sun with autism.
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Speaker 9: We used ABA therapy, which meant you didn't actually recognize
18:49
Speaker 9: some of this stuff when you didn't want the behavior
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Speaker 9: to continue. We're probably just reinforcing the behavior and it's
18:55
Speaker 9: just going to happen more and more. To give him
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Speaker 9: more attention, is erratic, isn't he He is?
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Speaker 11: I mean he had the art of the deal. Now
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Speaker 11: it's the art of the distraction. I mean, this guy's
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Speaker 11: perfect at it. You know, you know, the reality is
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Speaker 11: he needs a third aircraft carry out near the strait
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Speaker 11: of her moves. He needs to restop the missiles that
19:13
Speaker 11: are blowing the living daylights of their Adian regime. He
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Speaker 11: probably needs to have ten days to do that, and
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Speaker 11: he's filling the space and everyone's following him while he's
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Speaker 11: actually getting on with that tree. If we need to
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Speaker 11: to go back in and get finished the job in Iran.
19:26
Speaker 2: Camerin, you've written in The Nightly Tonight that Pauline Hanson's
19:28
Speaker 2: moment has finally arrived. I've not had a chance to
19:31
Speaker 2: read that yet, argue in the Cost of Living Pain,
19:34
Speaker 2: give us an idea, give Holly and I and idea
19:37
Speaker 2: of how you prosecute this case. Very simply, in times
19:41
Speaker 2: of uncertainty, people look for authentic leadership, authentic leadership, and
19:45
Speaker 2: with Elbow and Angus Taylor, they've got Tweedled and tweedled Dummer.
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Speaker 11: I mean, that's the option they've got the top. Whereas
19:51
Speaker 11: Pauline's Pauline has been around in parliament and in politics
19:53
Speaker 11: as long as Albo.
19:54
Speaker 8: She's still true.
19:55
Speaker 1: To her cause.
19:56
Speaker 11: I don't agree with it, still true to her cause.
19:58
Speaker 11: She's got a fantastic chief of staff in James, who's
20:00
Speaker 11: actually running a professional show once and for all. And
20:03
Speaker 11: she's up against, as I say, the blank monge of
20:06
Speaker 11: federal politics, which has got two people that no one likes.
20:08
Speaker 11: So she's cutting through because she's authentic, and she's cutting
20:11
Speaker 11: through because people are really hurting out there right now.
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Speaker 9: Cameron and I did read it and it was excellent,
20:17
Speaker 9: was very well said.
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Speaker 2: I've interviewed paulin a couple of times face to face,
20:22
Speaker 2: and I've had arguments with her on radio. You've had
20:25
Speaker 2: much more time face to face with her than I have.
20:29
Speaker 2: Has she changed? I mean camera makes the point that
20:33
Speaker 2: she's been consistent, but I've seen I've noticed a not
20:37
Speaker 2: so subtle change in once the popularity started, once the
20:41
Speaker 2: polls have begun to go up, she's got a lot
20:44
Speaker 2: more confidence now, she's lost a bit of that squeak
20:46
Speaker 2: in her voice, and she seems a lot more confident
20:48
Speaker 2: about where she's going.
20:49
Speaker 10: Yeah.
20:50
Speaker 9: Look, I think she's doing an amazing job. I've always
20:52
Speaker 9: had a lot of time for her. You know, I
20:55
Speaker 9: turned fifty when I was in Parliament and she came
20:58
Speaker 9: to my fiftieth drinks, as did Milk Dick and a
21:00
Speaker 9: whole lot of other people from across the chamber, so
21:03
Speaker 9: I've always had a lot of time for her.
21:05
Speaker 10: I think she is a very reasonable person.
21:08
Speaker 9: Cameron's right when he talks about the professionalism of James Ashby.
21:11
Speaker 10: He is an incredible political operator.
21:14
Speaker 9: I remember I was talking to him around the South
21:17
Speaker 9: Australian election. His predictions turned out to be one hundred
21:20
Speaker 9: percent right. When I had former colleagues from the Liberal
21:24
Speaker 9: Party telling me that they weren't going to get a
21:26
Speaker 9: Lower House seat in the South Australian election. I think
21:29
Speaker 9: he's much more tapped in. I think they are a
21:30
Speaker 9: much more professional organization. But I think you know, whether
21:35
Speaker 9: it's my bar, whether it's anywhere, she is that authenticic,
21:39
Speaker 9: authentic person that people want to see. And I can
21:43
Speaker 9: tell you if she came to visit my bar, they'd
21:45
Speaker 9: be hanging from the rafters because in rule and regional Australia,
21:48
Speaker 9: she is absolutely hitting the mark.
21:52
Speaker 2: Just before we go, Cameron, I know you're a great
21:54
Speaker 2: fan of Chris Bowens. His comments this week that the
21:58
Speaker 2: reason why we're in such a great places everyone's now
22:01
Speaker 2: going out buying electric vehicles. I mean, he doesn't seem
22:04
Speaker 2: to get through his mind that the more people buy
22:06
Speaker 2: electric vehicles, the longer the cues will be at the
22:09
Speaker 2: hard to find charging stations where at Easter time there
22:12
Speaker 2: was five hour cues to charge Tesla up.
22:17
Speaker 1: Oh.
22:17
Speaker 11: Look and our country runs on diesel, Steve, I mean
22:20
Speaker 11: our country runs on diesel. You know, our farmers, our
22:22
Speaker 11: resources companies, our logistics run on diesel. And that's the reality.
22:25
Speaker 11: So EV is not going to replace it anytime soon.
22:28
Speaker 11: So having an EV vehicle to go from one in
22:30
Speaker 11: the city suburb to another in the city subject is
22:32
Speaker 11: not going to solve the full crisis problem we've got.
22:34
Speaker 11: And look at the price of diesel going up and
22:35
Speaker 11: up because we've got shorter and shorter supply in this
22:37
Speaker 11: country and we run on diesel.
22:41
Speaker 2: I saw Holly, the New South Wales Transport Minister today
22:45
Speaker 2: saying their plan the New South Wales Labor Party is
22:48
Speaker 2: to make sure that no one lives more than one
22:50
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers away from a not just a charging station,
22:54
Speaker 2: a fast charging station. How's that going with you with
22:57
Speaker 2: your pub customers.
22:58
Speaker 9: That's going to go so well, especially since this state
23:01
Speaker 9: Labor government, and to be fair, every government in New
23:05
Speaker 9: South Wales has spent zero time on the pass at
23:09
Speaker 9: Mount Victoria, that is a two hundred year old bridge
23:12
Speaker 9: built by convicts for horse and carriage that now has
23:16
Speaker 9: twelve thousand vehicles a day, including B doubles, which is
23:21
Speaker 9: now closed, almost effectively blocking off the central west of
23:24
Speaker 9: New South Wales. And this is the government who's now
23:27
Speaker 9: saying one hundred k's to a fast charger. Yet it
23:31
Speaker 9: never occurred to them that a convict bridge might need
23:33
Speaker 9: a little bit of extra.
23:34
Speaker 10: Work at some point. Like seriously, these guys have no idea.
23:38
Speaker 9: And there's a reason our colleague Ray Hadley refers to
23:42
Speaker 9: Bowen as Casanova, because we know what he does to
23:45
Speaker 9: everything he touches.
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Speaker 2: My old mate, Ray Holly Cameron, thank you very much.
23:50
Speaker 2: It was a pleasure to catch up with you both. Okay,
23:52
Speaker 2: let's turn our attention to the coalition sharpening up its
23:55
Speaker 2: immigration pitch. We've seen that they're now going to have
23:58
Speaker 2: a values test for migrant media, screening for visa applicants
24:02
Speaker 2: and a vow to reassess the roughly three thousand gardens
24:06
Speaker 2: issued visas after October seven. It's a big job. Someone
24:10
Speaker 2: who's probably pretty well prepared to prosecute this case, as
24:14
Speaker 2: the Shadow Home Affairs and Immigration spokesman Jonathan dunnem joins me. Now, thanks, Johno.
24:19
Speaker 2: I know you've had a very busy day. We all
24:21
Speaker 2: welcome the debate we needed to have for a very
24:24
Speaker 2: long time. Labour's flooding the country with too many new comers.
24:28
Speaker 2: But are you ready for the blowback over this idea
24:31
Speaker 2: that you're going to have a policy that will take
24:33
Speaker 2: a selective view on who comes and what country they
24:36
Speaker 2: come from. How are you going to defend that?
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Speaker 8: You bet to Steve, We are ready for that debate
24:44
Speaker 8: because I will happily debate any person in this country
24:48
Speaker 8: any day of the week that wants to tell me that,
24:50
Speaker 8: for example, their privacy on social media Trump's national security,
24:54
Speaker 8: or that we should be compassionate to every single person
24:57
Speaker 8: that applies for a visa to coming to this regardless
25:01
Speaker 8: of where they're from, what they believe in, what they've said,
25:04
Speaker 8: if they're anti Semitic or not. Those sorts of things matter,
25:08
Speaker 8: and it's the fact that this government have taken an
25:10
Speaker 8: approach where none of that matters, and they've let anyone
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Speaker 8: in at any cost in great numbers. We're in the situation.
25:16
Speaker 8: We're in the fact that, for example, Steve, we had
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Speaker 8: a hate preacher on a speaking tour here in Australia
25:22
Speaker 8: over Easter on a visa issued by Labor, and one
25:26
Speaker 8: on the way again on a visa issued by Labor.
25:30
Speaker 8: This demonstrates how broken the system is. So I tell
25:33
Speaker 8: you what, I will happily stand up for the defense
25:36
Speaker 8: of our country from people like this who want to
25:40
Speaker 8: come here and change our way of life, under miners
25:42
Speaker 8: and make this country a worse one. Very very happy
25:45
Speaker 8: to have this argument every day of the week until
25:46
Speaker 8: the next election.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like anyone can get a visa unless
25:50
Speaker 2: the media gets hold of what they've done in the past,
25:53
Speaker 2: and then suddenly Tony Burke decides to squad to rip
25:56
Speaker 2: it up. How John O, do you define Australian values?
26:00
Speaker 2: And I asked this question given the job that Labor
26:04
Speaker 2: has done on watering down things like the flag reluctance
26:08
Speaker 2: to celebrate Australia Day, State government's confusing newcomers with Indigenous
26:13
Speaker 2: treaties here in Victoria standalone indigenous courts. How do you
26:17
Speaker 2: define that and explain that to a potential migrant. Yeah?
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Speaker 8: Sure, Well, at the moment, a potential migrant, someone who
26:25
Speaker 8: wants to apply for a visa or who wants to
26:27
Speaker 8: apply for citizenship in this country has to sign up
26:31
Speaker 8: to what's called the Australian Value Statement, which outlines a
26:34
Speaker 8: range of things.
26:35
Speaker 1: Some of them are more.
26:36
Speaker 8: Nebulous, like a fair go and compassion for your fellow Australian,
26:41
Speaker 8: but others are more clear cut. That is, observing and
26:44
Speaker 8: respecting the rule of law in this country, respecting our
26:47
Speaker 8: democratic institutions, elections and the outcomes of them, and those
26:51
Speaker 8: sorts of things. Now there are reference points in state,
26:55
Speaker 8: territory and Commonwealth law with criminal sanctions penalties for people
27:00
Speaker 8: who don't observe those laws. Those sorts of the things
27:04
Speaker 8: are what we will be referencing adherence to the Value Statement.
27:10
Speaker 8: When people say we are going to subscribe to these values,
27:15
Speaker 8: they sign the document. The difference between us and Labor
27:18
Speaker 8: is we will make it a condition of your visa.
27:22
Speaker 8: You come into this country, you sign the bit of paper,
27:24
Speaker 8: and you then go and break the law in by
27:27
Speaker 8: going and spouting anti semitism somewhere, saying we've got to
27:30
Speaker 8: kill a certain group of people in our community, or
27:35
Speaker 8: inciting hatred and political violence and those sorts of things
27:38
Speaker 8: which have criminal penalties attached to them. Then you are
27:43
Speaker 8: in breach of the law. You will be booted, Unlike Labour,
27:45
Speaker 8: who let you sign the bit of paper, go and
27:47
Speaker 8: do these things, and that's it. There is no sanction.
27:49
Speaker 8: So that's how we'll define it, and that's how we'll
27:52
Speaker 8: enforce it.
27:54
Speaker 2: This is early days, obviously, the policy was only released today.
27:58
Speaker 2: There is an aspect of it that in true, where
28:00
Speaker 2: you talk about attracting migrants from countries with social democracies
28:06
Speaker 2: running them, and that you would avoid bringing people in
28:09
Speaker 2: from countries that have despots leading it, who are led
28:13
Speaker 2: by dictators. Your colleague Dantine got himself wrapped up in
28:18
Speaker 2: knots today being interviewed on the ABC about well, what's
28:21
Speaker 2: that say about Chinese migrants given that they're run by
28:25
Speaker 2: a one party state, the Communist Party of China, and
28:28
Speaker 2: someone you would call a dictator, how do those two
28:32
Speaker 2: things marry out.
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Speaker 8: Look, there is not a block on someone coming to
28:38
Speaker 8: the country just because they're applying to come from a
28:41
Speaker 8: country that might be run by a despotic dictator or
28:44
Speaker 8: some sort of theocracy. Obviously, though there are jurisdictions where
28:49
Speaker 8: people who like the United States, for example, or the
28:51
Speaker 8: United Kingdom generally speaking, sharing our values and respect for
28:55
Speaker 8: democracy rule of law as two mainstay examples. There other
29:00
Speaker 8: countries that aren't quite the same, of course, will attract
29:04
Speaker 8: a higher risk rating in a triaging process where a
29:07
Speaker 8: closer attention needs to be paid to the individual who's
29:10
Speaker 8: seeking to come to Australia, greater checks, more scrutiny, stronger
29:15
Speaker 8: and more stringent vetting against these people who are coming.
29:19
Speaker 8: They may not share our values and we need to
29:21
Speaker 8: weed them out. That means looking at their social media,
29:24
Speaker 8: it means understanding that they are going to abide by
29:27
Speaker 8: As Angus and others have stated today, the values that
29:30
Speaker 8: we hold as a country deer those values that we
29:33
Speaker 8: will make people sign up to if they want to
29:35
Speaker 8: come here. Those sorts of things are how we will
29:39
Speaker 8: make sure that the people coming in ultimately that we
29:41
Speaker 8: grant access to this country to meet that standard. So
29:45
Speaker 8: not a red light immediately if they happen to be
29:48
Speaker 8: a radical, if they are out there going to spout
29:51
Speaker 8: hatred and seek to incite violence in our community, then
29:54
Speaker 8: they're not coming in. We're stopping them before they get here.
29:58
Speaker 2: Not surprisingly, gen Senator David Schubridge, and you know we're
30:02
Speaker 2: not going to fall off our chair with what he's
30:04
Speaker 2: had to say. But he's called the policy racist, and
30:08
Speaker 2: he's talked about it being anti Islamic. It's no surprise.
30:13
Speaker 2: But what do you say to Schubridge. How do you
30:15
Speaker 2: explain to someone like Schubridge that, for a start, we
30:18
Speaker 2: bought in more migrants than the size of Adelaide over
30:21
Speaker 2: the last three years and we've got sixty five thousand
30:23
Speaker 2: visa overstays here.
30:27
Speaker 8: He's, along with all of his Green colleagues, the greatest
30:31
Speaker 8: thespian in the Senate. Can I tell you these people
30:35
Speaker 8: spend more time talking about skin color and race than
30:37
Speaker 8: anyone else in the Parliament. They talk about my skin
30:40
Speaker 8: color and ascribe to me certain views and values. This
30:44
Speaker 8: is the appalling hypocrisy of the Greens. Not once did
30:48
Speaker 8: we speak about race today. And in fact Angus in
30:51
Speaker 8: his speech went to great lengths to say, this is
30:54
Speaker 8: not about saying you can come in if you're a
30:56
Speaker 8: certain skin color. It was about talking. It's about determining
30:59
Speaker 8: whether you're values match up with our countries or not.
31:02
Speaker 8: And so for the dog whistling from David Hubridge in
31:05
Speaker 8: his Green cronies. It's just ridiculous. They missed the mark
31:09
Speaker 8: all together. It was the Liberal Party that started dismantling
31:13
Speaker 8: the White Australia policy in this country and set up
31:16
Speaker 8: an immigration system that actually helped build the nation into
31:19
Speaker 8: what it is today. If we left the migration system
31:22
Speaker 8: up to the Greens, God only knows what kind of
31:25
Speaker 8: a country we'd be in. But we'd all have to
31:27
Speaker 8: think like them, dress like them, look like them. They
31:32
Speaker 8: are an appalling outfit and I will take with a
31:34
Speaker 8: massive barrel assault anything that bloke and his colleagues have
31:37
Speaker 8: to say about our policies.
31:39
Speaker 2: You've now given me a nightmare tonight thinking about that,
31:42
Speaker 2: all of us being Greens. Jonathan Dunningham, thank you very
31:45
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight. Good luck were selling the policy.
31:48
Speaker 2: Good on you. Thanks a lot still to come. The
31:51
Speaker 2: gas tax fight blows up as Labour now comes under
31:54
Speaker 2: pressure to slug exporters. Economist Shane Oliver, he's copper today.
31:59
Speaker 2: He's been labeled that he's a bit of a panic
32:02
Speaker 2: merchant all and we'll have all the latest on the
32:04
Speaker 2: blockade of the Straits of Willmor's with Sky News Defense
32:07
Speaker 2: analyst Peter Jennings. That's after the break. Welcome back to
32:14
Speaker 2: see Price in for Shari Markson back with you next week. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Strait of Umor's is now at the center, of course,
32:20
Speaker 2: of this dangerous military standoff, with the US now moving
32:23
Speaker 2: to actually blockade Iranian shipping and Teyran threatening retaliation across
32:28
Speaker 2: the Gulf. Now jd Vance the advance the US Vice
32:32
Speaker 2: president he's accused of iron of trying to engage in
32:36
Speaker 2: economic terrorism.
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Speaker 12: What they have done is engage in this act of
32:41
Speaker 12: economic terrorism against the entire world. They've basically threatened any
32:44
Speaker 12: ship that's moving through the streets of horn Mouz well
32:47
Speaker 12: as the president of the United States. Show two can
32:49
Speaker 12: play at that game.
32:51
Speaker 2: Join me now, Skye News Defense analyst Peter Jennings, Peter,
32:54
Speaker 2: great to see you again. I saw Sean Spicer talking
32:57
Speaker 2: to Andrew Bold earlier. He's the Trump naval blockade of
33:02
Speaker 2: the straight Trump's trump card if you like. Do you
33:07
Speaker 2: agree that this has been a clever move.
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Speaker 13: I think it is a clever move. I'm surprised that
33:15
Speaker 13: they didn't have it as part of their initial campaign
33:18
Speaker 13: weeks ago, because that would have given them more of
33:20
Speaker 13: an element of surprise. But to me, it's an absolute
33:24
Speaker 13: no brainer Steve, that they should not allow ships carrying
33:28
Speaker 13: Iranian oil to leave or Chinese ships carrying solid rocket
33:34
Speaker 13: fuel propellant to arrive. And you know, why should I
33:38
Speaker 13: run be the only country which is actually benefiting from
33:41
Speaker 13: ships moving through the Strait of will moves right now.
33:44
Speaker 13: So I think what we're going to see is a
33:47
Speaker 13: clever strategy which is actually short of military operations, putting
33:50
Speaker 13: economic pressure on Iran. And I think we're also going
33:55
Speaker 13: to see the Americans deploy some interesting new technology which
33:58
Speaker 13: hasn't been seen yet, including small drones that operate on
34:03
Speaker 13: the sea surface.
34:05
Speaker 2: So this could well be a good strategy.
34:08
Speaker 13: And anything that puts more pressure on the Iranian government
34:13
Speaker 13: to concede America's key strategic objectives, that's a positive in
34:18
Speaker 13: my view.
34:19
Speaker 2: Do you think China and Russia would like to be
34:23
Speaker 2: able to reinforce the Iranians with whatever the Iranians could
34:28
Speaker 2: ask for? I mean, interestingly, you know I just thought
34:30
Speaker 2: of this, of course, Peter, that Trump's off to China
34:33
Speaker 2: shortly well, that trip was initially delayed, Stephen, could well
34:40
Speaker 2: be delayed again. The truth of the matter is China
34:42
Speaker 2: has been providing.
34:44
Speaker 13: Weaponry, solid rocket fuel, propellant material right up into Bandarabas,
34:50
Speaker 13: which is the Iranian port at the top of the
34:53
Speaker 13: Strait of Humus. That Chinese have not been attempting to
34:57
Speaker 13: hide the fact that they're helping the Iranians with technology.
35:03
Speaker 13: And it's also been claimed that the Russians have been
35:06
Speaker 13: helping the Iranians with targeting information the whereabouts of American ships.
35:10
Speaker 13: So it's frankly past time that the US needs to
35:14
Speaker 13: put more pressure on Moscow and Beijing to cease and desist.
35:19
Speaker 13: And I think with the new strategy on the blockades
35:22
Speaker 13: as it's called emerging, that that's now becoming part of
35:27
Speaker 13: a broader approach from the Trump administration.
35:31
Speaker 2: In the might of the US Navy, I mean, does
35:33
Speaker 2: that basically eliminate any risk from the Hoodie rebels. I
35:37
Speaker 2: mean they famously for the last five or so years
35:40
Speaker 2: been spiring rockets and boarding ships and causing all sorts
35:45
Speaker 2: of drama there. But they're unlikely to attack an American warship.
35:48
Speaker 2: You would think.
35:52
Speaker 13: You can't eliminate the risk, And the Hooties have turned
35:55
Speaker 13: out to be pretty successful, including operating reasonably high tech equipment.
36:00
Speaker 13: By the way, the Hooties continue to be resupplied by
36:03
Speaker 13: Iran as well, with ships coming down from the top
36:05
Speaker 13: of the straight Bandara bas and going around to the
36:08
Speaker 13: Red Sea to Yemen where the Hooties are occupying, so
36:11
Speaker 13: they become part of this blockade as well. Look, the
36:15
Speaker 13: American Navy is large, it's technologically very competent. It's the
36:20
Speaker 13: navy that you would want to have there if you're
36:23
Speaker 13: going to try and reopen the straight orful moves. But
36:26
Speaker 13: it's all high risk, particularly with Iran having sown a
36:31
Speaker 13: number of sea mines in the channels of the Strait,
36:35
Speaker 13: the shipping channels. It's all high.
36:37
Speaker 2: Risk and that can never be completely eliminated. Major changes
36:43
Speaker 2: at the top announced by the PM yesterday in the ADF.
36:45
Speaker 2: I know you've written about Vice Admiral Mark Hammond. He's
36:49
Speaker 2: heading into the top job as chief of the ADF.
36:51
Speaker 2: The Tenant General Susan Cohle is taking over the Army,
36:55
Speaker 2: and you've got Rear Admiral Matthew Buckley stepping into Navy.
36:59
Speaker 2: But you've written in The Australian today saying they're inheriting
37:02
Speaker 2: a force that's underfunded, overstretched, and facing a much more
37:06
Speaker 2: dangerous region. It's not a job you'd really want by
37:09
Speaker 2: the sound of it.
37:13
Speaker 13: Oh, they'll all want them, I can guarantee you that,
37:15
Speaker 13: but they, by golly, the burden of officer is going
37:18
Speaker 13: to be quite demanding, Steve. And the fact of the
37:21
Speaker 13: matter is that we're not seeing significant extra money. The
37:25
Speaker 13: government's been out today talking about somewhere between three and
37:29
Speaker 13: five billion dollars of money being spent on drones, but
37:33
Speaker 13: if you read the fine print, they're actually saying that
37:35
Speaker 13: a significant part of that money could be reprioritized, which
37:39
Speaker 13: means they're taking it from one area of defense to
37:41
Speaker 13: put it into another. And in any event, over ten years,
37:46
Speaker 13: which is the life of this spend, it's a rounding era.
37:49
Speaker 13: When you look at the overall size of the defense
37:51
Speaker 13: budget right now, Defense is going to spend something like
37:55
Speaker 13: seven hundred and sixty five billion dollars with a b
37:59
Speaker 13: over a decade. So the promise of maybe some old money,
38:02
Speaker 13: but maybe some new money, maybe three billion, maybe five
38:05
Speaker 13: billion for drones, it's what my mom would have called
38:09
Speaker 13: a lick and a promise. It's really not very much
38:11
Speaker 13: at all steep, and it doesn't go to the sense
38:15
Speaker 13: of urgency or importance which I think this government should
38:18
Speaker 13: be putting on defense and which after four years they
38:21
Speaker 13: continue to fail to do so.
38:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw various experts today saying that they're
38:27
Speaker 2: buying the wrong sort of drones. Anyway, it was a
38:30
Speaker 2: pleasure to catch up with you, Peter, Thank you very much.
38:32
Speaker 2: And that was a great piece in the Australian Today,
38:34
Speaker 2: Peter Jennings there on those changes to the top of
38:36
Speaker 2: the defense falls and what sort of drones were actually
38:40
Speaker 2: going to buy, which apparently are not the right sort
38:42
Speaker 2: of drones. Can't we get something in Australian defense get
38:46
Speaker 2: it right? I mean we always seem to be, I
38:49
Speaker 2: don't know, in the wrong place. Coming up, going to
38:51
Speaker 2: talk to Brad Baton from the Victorian opposition. Welcome back
38:59
Speaker 2: crime with Brad Baton coming up. It's four weeks exactly
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Speaker 2: tonight to the May twelve budget. All sorts of guessing
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Speaker 2: games going on in regard to what might be in it.
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Speaker 2: This talk of a gas tax, the big producers Santos, Woodside,
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Speaker 2: Chevron and Shell all being asked in front of Greens
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Speaker 2: led May I repeat Greens led Senate inquiry. There's pressure
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Speaker 2: on labor over a twenty five percent export tax. It
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Speaker 2: seems to me to be at exactly the wrong time
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Speaker 2: to be having that conversation. Joining me now is AMP
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Speaker 2: chief economist Shane Oliver. Shane, I can't think of a
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Speaker 2: tougher time to be a chief economist of anything, given
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Speaker 2: now unpredictable everything is in the world. Four weeks out
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Speaker 2: from the budget, Are they really serious about slapping on
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Speaker 2: a gas tax?
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Speaker 1: Well, I hope not.
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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe there is an argument to review whether
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Speaker 4: are more broadly, our tax system is working as it should,
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Speaker 4: and that includes tax of gas. I'm not entirely convinced
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Speaker 4: that they are being under tax because a lot of
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Speaker 4: the calculations referred to totally ignore the corporate tax take
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Speaker 4: that goes to camera as a result of higher company
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Speaker 4: tax earnings for gas companies when the gas price goes up.
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Speaker 4: And of course, just as we're reading about how maybe
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Speaker 4: they're not paying their fair share of tax, we're also
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Speaker 4: reading about how there's going to be a windfall going
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Speaker 4: to canber from the extra tax that will be raised
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Speaker 4: as a result of higher gas prices. So I'm not
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Speaker 4: entirely sure that this is necessary. I do think maybe
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Speaker 4: there is a case to review it in a fundamental sense,
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Speaker 4: but I'm also a little bit concerned that if you
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Speaker 4: do it in this budget it sends the wrong signal
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Speaker 4: entirely because this is a time when we need more
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Speaker 4: gas supply. If you're going to put a tax on
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Speaker 4: it at this point in time, it could discourage that.
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Speaker 4: So hopefully it's avoided in the main budget. Yes, I
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Speaker 4: think there is a case to undertake fundamental tax reform
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Speaker 4: in Australia, but putting these sorts of taxes on at
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Speaker 4: this point in time when we need more supply is
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Speaker 4: precisely the wrong thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Shane, I couldn't help but thinking at the weekend when
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Speaker 2: I read about the mining royalties bonus that Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 2: has gotten over the last I think quarter of the
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Speaker 2: financial year, how ironic it was that we're flash with
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Speaker 2: flush with cash because of that. And it's all because
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Speaker 2: of you know, energy in the ground and gas and
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Speaker 2: oil and uranium and iron ore all things that Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen and some parts of the rest of the government
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Speaker 2: wants to stop using.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's right, and if you add up the numbers,
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Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen estimates for the next four years
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Speaker 4: that will have a forty to fifty billion dollar bonus,
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Speaker 4: a thirty to fifty billion dollar bonus windfall from higher
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Speaker 4: prices for things like gas, iron ore and so on,
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Speaker 4: partly flowing from the Iran war. And that adds on
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Speaker 4: top of about four hundred billion dollars since twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 4: So there's been a huge windfall to camera on the
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Speaker 4: back of all of this. Most of it, or a
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Speaker 4: big chunk of it, it has come from the mining
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Speaker 4: and energy sectors. So to say that they're under taxed,
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Speaker 4: I think is a bit over the top. And of
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Speaker 4: course a big chunk of that windfall has been spent
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Speaker 4: on things like NDEs and so on. Fair Enough, a
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Speaker 4: chunk of it has been saved. Initially, a big chunk
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Speaker 4: of it was saved, but as time has gone by,
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Speaker 4: less and less of that windfall.
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Speaker 1: Has been saved.
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Speaker 4: It's been baked in increasingly into higher levels of government spending.
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Speaker 4: So and it looks like the same thing will happen
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Speaker 4: in this budget again. I am a little bit concerned.
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Speaker 4: I think we fundamentally do need tax reform. Our income
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Speaker 4: tax rates are too high, our corporate tax rate discourages
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Speaker 4: business investment. More broadly, and there's all sorts of issues
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Speaker 4: around stamp muty and those sorts of things. But I
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Speaker 4: was hopeful going to this budget we'll see a focus
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Speaker 4: on savings. This is what the Treasurer was telling us,
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Speaker 4: and I'm still hopeful. Maybe were we going to see that,
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Speaker 4: in other words, reduced levels of govern and spending and
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Speaker 4: also focus on productivity. My concern though, is that we
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Speaker 4: end up with a bunch of popular sort of measures
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Speaker 4: which do nothing to address our fundamental issues regarding low
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Speaker 4: productivity growth, which is constraining our living standards, and rather
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Speaker 4: we just see measures to increase taxes without fundamentally reforming
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Speaker 4: the tax system.
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Speaker 2: You've seen a lot of crashes, so by I mean
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Speaker 2: GFC COVID. You've got consumer sentiment CHANE now down twelve
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Speaker 2: point five percent. That's a big drop, and we're obviously
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Speaker 2: being batted by the Middle East. This is going to
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Speaker 2: be one hell of a budget. Really appreciate your time tonight, Jane.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us, because it's going
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Speaker 2: to get very interesting between now and as I said,
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Speaker 2: it's four weeks tonight until the federal budget, So four
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Speaker 2: weeks tonight here on sky, you'll have full coverage of
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Speaker 2: the Jim Chalmers budget. It's going to be very interesting.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to Brad Batton about crime and Victoria. Up next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Nika de Giorgio coming up at the
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Speaker 2: top of the hour, filling in for Paul Murray. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: let's go back to Victoria. The premier there today has
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Speaker 2: tried to convince everyone she's resetting policy for senior ministers
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Speaker 2: quit yesterday. Labour's front bench now has to be reshaped,
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Speaker 2: and they appointed someone called Luba Grigoriovich, who's already under
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Speaker 2: fire over her past friendship with people like disgraced former
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Speaker 2: CFM You boss John Setka. Now Cinda Allen says, this
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Speaker 2: is a team I've wait for it, hard working people
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Speaker 2: with new energy. Here she is.
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Speaker 14: We are hard working. We are focused on working people
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Speaker 14: because we are from working people. We know what it's
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Speaker 14: like when you have the opportunity to get access to
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Speaker 14: good healthcare. Well, you don't have to take your credit
44:51
Speaker 14: card because you've got a Medicare card, because we have
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Speaker 14: a strong public health system. The Liberal Party are not
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Speaker 14: focused on Victorians. They're extreme, they're divided, will just simply
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Speaker 14: cut the things that matter to Victorian families.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, what a joke. The only job you
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Speaker 2: said to Alan has ever had a full time job
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Speaker 2: is as a political advisor or a politician. I mean
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Speaker 2: to say she's from working people and give me a
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Speaker 2: break joining me now Victoria's shadow police minister Brad Batton.
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Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, she is kidnap herself. Isn't she.
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Speaker 1: Get a steve?
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Speaker 15: It's a long time no speak. I'll be honest, I
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Speaker 15: hadn't seen that, so it's actually I'm going to say
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Speaker 15: it's put a smile on my face for the wrong reasons.
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Speaker 15: How could the Premier come out and say that when
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Speaker 15: she's had a lifetime in politics, she's got the lifetime
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Speaker 15: to find benefit for a pension forever. I'm really sorry,
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Speaker 15: and I have to say it myself. I've been in
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Speaker 15: the working world with whether it's in the coppers or
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Speaker 15: working as a prison officer, only my own business, having
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Speaker 15: to make a decision whether I pay my staff, or
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Speaker 15: pay my bills or pay my tax.
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Speaker 1: These are things that people have to make this.
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Speaker 15: Visions every day and you can acknowledge it without saying
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Speaker 15: that you're from that. And I think that's what is
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Speaker 15: missing here. The Premiers is just so disingenuous. Just come
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Speaker 15: out and say I acknowledge that people are struggling. I
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Speaker 15: acknowledge that there's some challenges because I can say right now, Steve.
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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm on a very good wage.
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Speaker 15: We won't hide that, so I don't always feel it
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Speaker 15: exactly the same as everybody else. But the reality is
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Speaker 15: I've been there, I've experienced it, and I do understand it.
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Speaker 15: And I can say that with the hand on heart
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Speaker 15: because I have experienced that.
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Speaker 2: You've been around a long time, so you know exactly
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Speaker 2: what she's trying to do. She knows she's got a
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Speaker 2: battle on her hand. She's up against Jess Wilson. She's
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Speaker 2: going to try and point a paint your leader as
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Speaker 2: a privileged young woman from the eastern suburbs of Melbourne
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Speaker 2: who doesn't really know what it's like to get their
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Speaker 2: hands dirty in a job. If she gets away with that,
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Speaker 2: then the media in this town are pathetic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge challenge, isn't it.
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Speaker 15: And look, Jess is doing a fantastic job and I
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Speaker 15: think most will know by now. I've been working with
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Speaker 15: Jess really closely and talking about the thing that are
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Speaker 15: important to people that have been raising him with us,
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Speaker 15: and that's crime has been one of the biggest ones.
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Speaker 15: But when we talk about cost of living and understanding
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Speaker 15: the impact of how it does impact people at home,
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Speaker 15: whether it's making those decisions around paying your insurance in
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Speaker 15: Victoria here at the moment, paying your rego, all those
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Speaker 15: things that people are experiencing. Where Jess is probably a
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Speaker 15: bit different to other leaders I've worked with too, is
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Speaker 15: she's willing to come back. She's rung me tonight again
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Speaker 15: or spoke to me tonight again about the issues out
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Speaker 15: here that I'm facing through the growth corridors. Jess isn't
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Speaker 15: pretending she's from the growth corridor. She's not pretending she's
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Speaker 15: come from these areas. But she's got a team around
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Speaker 15: her that she listens to each and every day. And
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Speaker 15: I just think it's a highlight of something that we
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Speaker 15: haven't seen as often in the past from leaders in
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Speaker 15: political parties. Who's willing to do that, And Jess is
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Speaker 15: going to come and join me and speak to some
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Speaker 15: people in my local area, real people on the street
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Speaker 15: with no media around, just to talk to them about
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Speaker 15: what it's like trying to get public transport in a
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Speaker 15: growth corridor where the houses are getting built and the
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Speaker 15: roads aren't getting done. They haven't got a train station,
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Speaker 15: so she can understand it. And I think it's really
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Speaker 15: important that we do continue that moving forward, because that's
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Speaker 15: how you do get the understanding.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to live inner Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: I've never done it.
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Speaker 15: So when I have a role in the corrections or
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Speaker 15: crime now, I make sure I go in and speak
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Speaker 15: to my members in those areas to get a better
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Speaker 15: understanding as well. And I'm so pleased that Jess is
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Speaker 15: doing the same out and the growth areas in regional Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Lots of rats deserting the laborship. We've now had four
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Speaker 2: ministers quit. We've got to reshuffle. Coming up. We have
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Speaker 2: one of those new ministers, lue Bergerorovich, who of course
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Speaker 2: has long links to Discrace CFM you Boss John Sepka.
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Speaker 2: She had a bloke called Johnny two Guns working on
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Speaker 2: her election campaign handing out how to vote cards. Is
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Speaker 2: that the sort of person we really want as a
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Speaker 2: minister in the state government.
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Speaker 15: I'd have to say it's not one I would want
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Speaker 15: as a minister in the state government, and particularly at
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Speaker 15: the time most victorians are talking about the fact that
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Speaker 15: a fifteen billion dollar cost because of effectively a CFMEU
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Speaker 15: tax or corruption here in this state. And then you're
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Speaker 15: going to promote someone who you know, through links of
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Speaker 15: her own, has attached herself to John Setka and the
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Speaker 15: c for me, you including backing him after incidents where
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Speaker 15: there was allegations of domestic violence. That's not someone I
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Speaker 15: would ever put into a cabinet that I was leading,
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Speaker 15: and I'm sure I'm very confident that Jess wouldn't be
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Speaker 15: putting someone in like her either. And I think that
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Speaker 15: it's now the responsibility of the premiere. You keep talking
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Speaker 15: about You're listening to people and understanding, well, why are
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Speaker 15: you bringing in someone who's been attached to this so
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Speaker 15: to create or increase the perception of corruption through the government.
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Speaker 1: To me, that just doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 2: I'm told there's more to jump ship too between now
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Speaker 2: and the election that probably a couple more are going
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Speaker 2: to go. Can you win this by election in the Pen?
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Speaker 2: I mean it's going to be a tough race. You've
49:58
Speaker 2: got a one Nation candidate down there who've a note,
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Speaker 2: has been working very hard.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, and obviously we've got our candilelid down there working
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Speaker 15: very hard as well.
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Speaker 1: And it's never an easy race.
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Speaker 15: No election is easy, and it makes and opens new
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Speaker 15: challenges when Labor's too scared to run in the seat
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Speaker 15: of Nepean. And let's be honest, I think that's one
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Speaker 15: thing that we do need to highlight. Labour's not running
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Speaker 15: for a reason because they know that issues like crime,
50:23
Speaker 15: cost of living, roads, particularly public transport through an open
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Speaker 15: is really causing issues for them and they.
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Speaker 1: Don't want to look at the community.
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Speaker 15: To back them in and say this is a problem.
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Speaker 15: So we'll make sure we'll continue to be our campaign
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Speaker 15: moving forward.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a really tough campaign. There's no
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Speaker 2: doubt about that.
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Speaker 4: Brad.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to chat you on the Friday Show about
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Speaker 2: the crime things that you're doing. I think you're doing
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Speaker 2: great job with that. Thanks for joining us tonight. Coming
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Speaker 2: up straight after me, we have Danika de Giorgio filling
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Speaker 2: in for Paul Murray.