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GLAM PHD STUDENT 29, “TORTURES” FRIEND’S TWIN BABY DEAD, SHOCKED SHE MAY BE PUNISHED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a glamor PhD student twenty nine,
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  Speaker 1: volunteers to babysit ends up she tortures her dear friend's
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  Speaker 1: twin baby boy dead according to reports, and now she's shocked.
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  Speaker 1: She may be punished. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: In that jurisdiction on death row, there.
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  Speaker 1: Are no women, much less a glamorous young PhD student.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: A Pittsburgh family with newborn twin babies asks a longtime
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  Speaker 3: friend to babysit. Matters take a turn for the worse.
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  Speaker 1: I know how difficult it is to have twins, to
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  Speaker 1: give birth to twins, to keep them alive. The twin
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  Speaker 1: baby boys had been yearned for, sought after for so long,
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  Speaker 1: and now mommy and daddy. Amazingly, this occurred on daddy's
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  Speaker 1: first Father's Day and Mommy's and daddy's anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: What exactly happened? How did it all start?
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  Speaker 4: Listen Calling nine to one one around eleven to fifteen pm,
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  Speaker 4: Nicole Versey tells the dispatcher that Leon has fallen from
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  Speaker 4: a bascinette and bumped his head and is becoming unresponsive.
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  Speaker 4: When police arrive at Versy tells police she falls asleep
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  Speaker 4: with the baby in his bouncer seat. When she wakes up,
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  Speaker 4: she goes to get a bottle from the kitchen for
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  Speaker 4: the baby. While she is out of the room, she
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  Speaker 4: hears Leon screaming and finds him on the floor with
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  Speaker 4: a bump on his head. She tells police he fell
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  Speaker 4: out of his bouncer seat.
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  Speaker 1: Fell out of a bouncer see you know, the bouncy
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  Speaker 1: kind that you have the baby with a seat belt
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  Speaker 1: buckled in. We all start panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first straight out to
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  Speaker 1: Gabriella de Luca, investigative news reporter on television WPXI. Gabriella,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. A couple of quick
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  Speaker 1: questions that I'm going to move forward. The bouncy seat.
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  Speaker 1: It's my understanding. It was eighteen inches off the ground,
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  Speaker 1: that little bouncy seat. That one is that correct? Eighteen inches?
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  Speaker 5: Effectives came in and actually measured the top of that
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  Speaker 5: seat to the bottom and it came out to eighteen inches.
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  Speaker 5: But keep in mind, when Versie first called nine to
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  Speaker 5: one one, she actually said that it was a bascinette
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  Speaker 5: so we have a bouncy seat.
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  Speaker 2: You're right on again, Gabriella de Luca.
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  Speaker 1: I was just headed toward the possibility that a child
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  Speaker 1: could bounce out like a trampoline of a bouncy seat.
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  Speaker 1: And I had both of my twins had bouncy seats.
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  Speaker 1: They had the swings, they had the bouncy seats, they
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  Speaker 1: had it all. They come with seat belts that said
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  Speaker 1: eighteen inches. And I didn't know where that eighteen inch
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  Speaker 1: number came from, and you just enlightened me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the conflicting stories in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: And you know how I feel when people change their stories,
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  Speaker 1: not add to their story.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine, changing your story not so much.
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  Speaker 1: But the eighteen inches, No, how can you have this
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  Speaker 1: massive degree of brain injury from falling this far this far?
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  Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. Okay, So that's where we
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  Speaker 1: leave off. Let's take a look at the right to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, Rush to the hospital. Doctors discover Leon Katz has
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  Speaker 6: a severe skull fracture to the left side of his
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  Speaker 6: head and multiple brain bleeds. The jury suffered by the
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  Speaker 6: six week old baby proof fatal, and he's pronounced dead.
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  Speaker 6: The next morning at Children's Hospital. Police say Bercy has
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  Speaker 6: no plausible explanation for the severity of lee injuries. Examining
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  Speaker 6: the bouncer seat, detectives report that it's about eighteen inches
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  Speaker 6: from the tallest point of the seat to the floor.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Gabriella de Luca from WPXI told us that, and I
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you those measurements are correct in a situation like this,
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  Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel. In addition to Gabriella
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  Speaker 1: de Luca WPXI, I want to go straight to a
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  Speaker 1: longtime colleague now friend, the esteemed chief Medical Examiner of
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  Speaker 1: Terran County that's Fort Worth, and I can guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: this never a lack of business for the medical Examiner
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  Speaker 1: and Dallas Fort Worth area. Also a lecturer at the
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  Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us, Doctor.
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  Speaker 1: Crowns, thank you for taking time out of your schedule
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  Speaker 1: and addressing this issue. Many of us have heard of
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  Speaker 1: c HI closed head injuries. I coined CH eight eye
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  Speaker 1: closed head homicidal injuries, close head injuries that end in
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  Speaker 1: homicide charges.
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  Speaker 2: But before I get to that, anacronym I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: About the possibility of the severity of baby lenn. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm going to circle back to Gabriella
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  Speaker 1: de Luca because the other baby is also injured. This
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  Speaker 1: couple has two children like me, two twins like me,
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  Speaker 1: their infants. One is rushed to the hospital and the
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  Speaker 1: other has severe injuries to its genitals. Okay, this woman
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  Speaker 1: steps in the apartment, everything's fine, and in five hours
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  Speaker 1: everything's gone haywire. Wow, what's the common denominator there? Her, her,
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  Speaker 1: the babysitter, the glam as many people call her, not me, them,
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  Speaker 1: the glamors. PhD student doctor Kendall crowns the likelihood of
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  Speaker 1: baby Leon's injuries to be that severe from one fall
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  Speaker 1: from an eighteen inch bouncy seat.
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  Speaker 7: Closed head injuries from eighteen inch fall is highly unlikely.
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  Speaker 7: If a child was to get closed head injuries from
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  Speaker 7: a fall of that nature, then when they're learning how
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  Speaker 7: to walk and they'd fall, we'd have a lot more
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  Speaker 7: at children having closed head injuries. So another thing you
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  Speaker 7: have to think about is a baby's skull is kind
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  Speaker 7: of pliable because they're still growing and it hasn't turned
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  Speaker 7: a full bone yet. So really, an eighteen inch fall
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  Speaker 7: could have startled the child, could have made him cry,
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  Speaker 7: but it shouldn't have caused any injuries internally whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: When you're seeing that, it's chang showdown, Slow down, Slow down,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns. I can see I'm going to have
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  Speaker 1: to work with you before I put you on the stand.
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  Speaker 2: Because everything you said is so probative for me, every sentence,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want to rush it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm usually ninety mph, but when you talk, I need
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  Speaker 1: to dissect every sentence. Now you mentioned something about a
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  Speaker 1: baby of this age head not being fully formed.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean? Number one? And number two? What
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  Speaker 2: does it help me prove? If anything? That's really all
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  Speaker 2: I care about when it comes to facts. Can I
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  Speaker 2: use it in court? Is it provative? Does it prove anything?
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  Speaker 7: So baby's skull at that age still has what are
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  Speaker 7: called fontenelles or soft spots, and they're kind of at
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  Speaker 7: the top of the head, a little bit towards the back,
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  Speaker 7: and that's so the baby's head.
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  Speaker 1: One of the baby hair swirl is we can do
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  Speaker 1: how the hair starts a little swirl back here.
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  Speaker 2: You call that a.
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  Speaker 7: Fontanel, fontanele yeah, So as the child's head. As a
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  Speaker 7: child matures, their brain gets bigger, the skull itself grows
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  Speaker 7: with it. A skull at this time period isn't fully
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  Speaker 7: hardened bone. It's bone, but it's still kind of very pliable,
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  Speaker 7: so it can take a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 7: changes like cartilage. Somewhat somewhat like cartilage, but it's not cartilage.
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  Speaker 7: It's just very young bone. But anyway, it's very pliable.
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  Speaker 1: Does it have the elasticity of cartilage like the cartilage
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  Speaker 1: in your nose or your ear?
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  Speaker 2: Is it and I know it's bone, but is.
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  Speaker 1: It elastic or pliable or movable like the carlage when
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  Speaker 1: in your ear.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, baby's culls are very bendable. They can take a
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  Speaker 7: lot of change in shape or deformation and they won't break.
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  Speaker 7: So when you see a skull fracture or a close
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  Speaker 7: head injury with a baby, there's a lot of force
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  Speaker 7: behind it. It isn't going to be from an eighteen
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  Speaker 7: inch fall, because if it was, all of us would
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  Speaker 7: have died from head injury as babies, because we all
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  Speaker 7: have falls. So when you see an injury like that,
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  Speaker 7: you know that there's some sort of slamming force or
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  Speaker 7: something like that that has occurred.
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  Speaker 1: Do you you said it's practically impossible for baby Leon?
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  Speaker 1: And remember he's just six weeks old. He's the one
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  Speaker 1: with the severe skull fracture to the left side of
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  Speaker 1: his head, with multiple brain bleeds. Ari is the twin
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  Speaker 1: with a bloody, mysterious injury to genital's penis, swollen bruises
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  Speaker 1: below the belly button, and scratches on his face. I'll
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  Speaker 1: get to that in the moment. But these two little boys,
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  Speaker 1: you're saying it's almost impossible or is it impossible for
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  Speaker 1: child six weeks old can't crawl to fleeing, eject himself
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  Speaker 1: from a car seat from a baby bouncer eighteen inches
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  Speaker 1: in height, and die, to put it simply.
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  Speaker 7: With some sort of congenital abnormality or first effect. Yes,
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  Speaker 7: it's impossible for that to have occurred.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we already know that none of that existed.
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  Speaker 7: So it's impossible.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to get a defenitive.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm a JD, not a DDS, don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to pull teeth, but I do have a set of
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  Speaker 1: pliers here. So are you saying it would be impossible.
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  Speaker 7: For him to have ejected and have enough force or
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  Speaker 7: velocity or speed to hit the ground and break his
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  Speaker 7: skull and get hemorrhage of his brain and he's completely normal. Yes,
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  Speaker 7: that would be impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, so many thoughts are colliding in my head,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful for you, doctor Kendall Crowns, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the little baby brother growing up his
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  Speaker 1: whole life knowing he had a twin that was killed.
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  Speaker 1: The parents this happening on the first Father's Day and
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  Speaker 1: their anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: And from then on out on that day, how can
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  Speaker 2: they sell it?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Baby Ari's birthday on the day that Leon was killed.
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  Speaker 1: How can they celebrate their anniversary on that day? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm projecting a lot, doctor Kendall Crowns, but
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  Speaker 1: I know on August six, the day that my fiance
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  Speaker 1: was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. This is crazy, right, and I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Superstitious at all, but I feel like whatever I do
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  Speaker 1: that day is just going to.
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  Speaker 2: Be jinxed and wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like my twins driving, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: take a trip just I can't really describe it. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. But I'm glad I've got you and
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  Speaker 1: the rest of our guests to keep me grounded in
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  Speaker 1: these facts and not project So back to the injuries.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 9: Doctors tell investigators about the injuries suffered by Leon's twin
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  Speaker 9: brother Ari. He has small scratches on both sides of
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  Speaker 9: his face, two bruises below his belly button, and swelling, bruising,
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  Speaker 9: redness and scratches to his genitals. The doctor who examined
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  Speaker 9: the injuries to both boys says they are consistent with
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  Speaker 9: having been sustained as a result of child abuse, as
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  Speaker 9: these are inflicted injuries that are not natural and not accidental,
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  Speaker 9: noting that all of Leon's injuries were acute acute.
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  Speaker 1: Gabriella du Luca has all the facts leading up to
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  Speaker 1: this moment, but I want to quickly address closed head
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  Speaker 1: homicidal injuries.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go straight out.
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  Speaker 1: To doctor Melissa Merrick, President CEO of Prevent Child Abuse America,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find her at Prevent child Abuse dot org. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Merrick, thank you for being with us. Many people
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  Speaker 1: are suspicious of closed head injuries, especially close head injuries
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  Speaker 1: that result in death and subsequent homicide charges. You look
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  Speaker 1: at the baby, and the baby seems fine because it's
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  Speaker 1: closed head.
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  Speaker 2: The head is not split open. Explain this, yeah, thanks,
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  Speaker 2: it can be.
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  Speaker 10: You know, we think about child abuse and we think
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  Speaker 10: that there will always be a brew, a bruise or
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  Speaker 10: a broken bone or something that we can see and
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  Speaker 10: we know that there was harm. But actually, especially in
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  Speaker 10: babies this young, under the age of one, that's the
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  Speaker 10: time that's riskiest for child abuse. The most prevalent and
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  Speaker 10: most of our child abuse deaths happen under the age
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  Speaker 10: of one, and that's because, as you said that, some
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  Speaker 10: of the injuries you don't see, so like shaken baby syndrome,
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  Speaker 10: for example, that's a serious brain injury resulting from forcefully
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  Speaker 10: shaking an infant. And like doctor Crown's already explained, you know,
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  Speaker 10: the baby's brain is pliable and still working out, and
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  Speaker 10: you shake all that up and brain cells can die.
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  Speaker 10: There can be permanent damage and even death. Never ever
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  Speaker 10: shake a baby because we may not see it, but
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  Speaker 10: it can really cause tremendous arm.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly now. Kelly Hymen joining us. A renowned trial lawyer
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  Speaker 1: and TV legal analyst. She's the host of Once Upon
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  Speaker 1: a Crime in Hollywood. That's a podcast. Kelly, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. Everything Melissa just said, doctor Merrick
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  Speaker 1: said is correct. This is not a shaken baby syndrome incident.
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  Speaker 2: But everything she said was correct.
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  Speaker 1: Is it difficult to prove the case when a jury
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  Speaker 1: looks at a baby's picture and it doesn't look like
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  Speaker 1: anything's wrong with the baby.
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  Speaker 2: All the damage is internal.
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  Speaker 11: Experts are going to be key in this case, Nancy.
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  Speaker 12: So the experts are going to take the witness stand
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  Speaker 12: and tell a story and tell exactly what happened and
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  Speaker 12: what transpired. Now, the defended is innocent until proven guilty,
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  Speaker 12: and they will have a time to cross examine that
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  Speaker 12: person and poke holes in that. But that that is
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  Speaker 12: going to be key in order to substantiate the case,
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  Speaker 12: because the state brings the case the commonwealth and they
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  Speaker 12: have the burden of proof and need to prove every
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  Speaker 12: single element of the crime. And the experts are going
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  Speaker 12: to be key taking the stand and telling what happened
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  Speaker 12: from their perspective.
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  Speaker 3: Savanna and Ethan Katz and trust longtime friend Nicole Versy
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  Speaker 3: to care for newborn twins. Then Versy calls to inform
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  Speaker 3: them of strange injuries found on one of the babies.
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  Speaker 1: That was just the beginning. I've got to understand the
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  Speaker 1: timeline here. Let me go to Gabriella de Luca, investigative
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  Speaker 1: TV news reporter wp XI. Gabriella, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. Let me understand this. When you first read
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  Speaker 1: a headline about this, it always says babysitter.
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  Speaker 2: She wasn't really the babysitter.
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  Speaker 1: She was a very dear family friend going back several
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  Speaker 1: years and on her break from school where she was
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  Speaker 1: getting her psych degree psychology degree, she got a break
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  Speaker 1: I guess spring break, and chose to use that break
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  Speaker 1: to visit the cat's family.
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  Speaker 2: Now she is in school.
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  Speaker 1: And she teaches spin classes. Correct the bicycle spin classes, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's what she does.
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  Speaker 5: That's what we understand.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Gabriella.
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  Speaker 1: So she comes to visit, she wants an airbnb just
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  Speaker 1: a few blocks away from the cat's family, and goes
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  Speaker 1: over to visit, and the next thing you know, all
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  Speaker 1: HGWL breaks loose. She hasn't been in that house over
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  Speaker 1: an hour before. Let me just say it hits the fan.
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  Speaker 1: Give me the timeline, Gabriella de Luca.
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  Speaker 5: So here's what we understand. Investigators are saying that she
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  Speaker 5: came into town and from what we are gathering, she
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  Speaker 5: came to almost have a celebration again. It was Father's Day,
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  Speaker 5: it was the anniversary, and you have these beautiful twin
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  Speaker 5: baby boys. Well, you know, I have twins myself. You
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  Speaker 5: know how tired and nancy so do you, So you
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  Speaker 5: know how tired, You get kind of get the idea
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  Speaker 5: that she's there to help out. So the mother, I believe,
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  Speaker 5: goes down for a nap. According to police, So it's
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  Speaker 5: the father and this woman who are taking care of
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  Speaker 5: the babies that day. I understand that she is, according
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  Speaker 5: to police, changing the baby's diaper, Ari's diaper in the
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  Speaker 5: hallway of their rooms.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, did you say mommy's taking a nap.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, mom, according to police, was taking a nap.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, And you know I didn't know you were
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  Speaker 1: the mama two twins.
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  Speaker 2: That's a luxury.
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  Speaker 1: That's unbelievable that in the middle of the day you
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  Speaker 1: get to close your eyes for forty five minutes together.
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  Speaker 1: So the mom's taking a nap and then the next thing, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, what happens.
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  Speaker 5: What we understand from police is that Nicole is changing
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  Speaker 5: the baby's diaper and then notices these injuries to the baby.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking scratches, bruises below the belly button, and then
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  Speaker 5: some sort of injury to the baby's genital area. There
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  Speaker 5: was swelling, and there was also blood in the diaper.
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  Speaker 5: She apparently tells, according to police, the father of the
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  Speaker 5: baby about these injuries. And that's the father right there.
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  Speaker 2: That is probative.
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  Speaker 1: That proves something to me, Gabriella de Luca.
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  Speaker 2: She's the one that tells the father because.
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  Speaker 1: See a lot of people will say, oh, well, the
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  Speaker 1: father was with the baby. No, the father was not
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  Speaker 1: with the baby. The colversy was with baby. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about baby Arii, the baby that lived. And she runs
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  Speaker 1: and tells the dad, I'm with the baby and I
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  Speaker 1: found this injury to his genitals. Now hold on genital injury, scratches, bruising,
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  Speaker 1: swell on face, belly button scratches and genitals.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So she runs and tells the dead and there's
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  Speaker 2: blood in the baby's.
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  Speaker 5: Dipy, that's what police are saying. And she tells the
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  Speaker 5: dad this and then the dad, apparently, you know, as
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  Speaker 5: a parent, calls the doctor's office, calls the pediatrician, and
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  Speaker 5: you know he's on the hotline. You know how it is,
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  Speaker 5: you can't get through. You're waiting on the hotline.
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  Speaker 2: What do I do?
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  Speaker 5: What do I do? And he the guidance is to
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  Speaker 5: take the baby to the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of what they always say. Thank goodness,
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  Speaker 1: I want to focus on one other one while I'm
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  Speaker 1: going down a rabbit hole. Here, Doctor John Delatory joining me,
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  Speaker 1: licensed psychologist and mediator specializing in forensic psychology, and you
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  Speaker 1: can find him at resolution FCS dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory.
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  Speaker 1: As I understand the facts, she volunteered to go change
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  Speaker 1: the dipy, Gabrielle.
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  Speaker 2: Is that true? He says, she changed a diapy. Yes, okay, so,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Dolatory. Have you ever seen those people that create
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  Speaker 2: a problem and then they fix it and then they're
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  Speaker 2: the hero? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 2: They place themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they place themselves at the location of.
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  Speaker 2: The incident, be it a crime or not a crime.
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  Speaker 1: She volunteers to go change the dipy, and then she says, ohoh,
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  Speaker 1: his penis is swollen, there's blood in his dipy. He's
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  Speaker 1: got scratches on his face. None of that was apparent
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  Speaker 1: when she arrived. You think mom is going to go
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  Speaker 1: take a nap with the baby's penis swollen and blood
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  Speaker 1: in the dipy and scratches.
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  Speaker 2: All over him. No, no, the dad.
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  Speaker 1: No, They go in, they see the babies, and it's
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  Speaker 1: then Mom says, okay, I'm taking a nap. The baby
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  Speaker 1: was fine, no scratches on the face. This happened after
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  Speaker 1: she volunteers to change the diaper. I know that's a
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  Speaker 1: small fact, a subtle, but very critical fact in this
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  Speaker 1: scenario and timeline.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, and Nancy, what you're describing is what's called factitious
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  Speaker 13: disorder biproxy. Used to be called Munchausen syndrome biproxy, And
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  Speaker 13: I think that's the key element here, because sure, you
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  Speaker 13: could probably hide the injuries that are happening underneath the diaper,
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  Speaker 13: but you can't really hide the scratches to the face.
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  Speaker 13: And that's the element that I think you're really harping
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  Speaker 13: on as well as I would be sort of wanting
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  Speaker 13: to investigate further, which is, well, if he had all
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  Speaker 13: of these scratches, how come no one indicated that these
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  Speaker 13: scratches were just there or could give a plausible reason
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  Speaker 13: as to why the baby would have scratches, so anything
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  Speaker 13: else could be hidden in You're absolutely right, Could they
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  Speaker 13: have been caused by her.
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  Speaker 2: Sure they could have. Could any number.
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  Speaker 13: Of other reasons or other things have been happening. Those
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  Speaker 13: could have happened as well. But why wasn't any one
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  Speaker 13: actually told? Why would any of this be a shock?
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  Speaker 13: And I think that's the element that we need to
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  Speaker 13: really investigate for it now.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, Doctor John Delatory, I believe you said I was
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  Speaker 1: harping on a fact. I don't know that being compared to.
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  Speaker 2: A harpie is exactly what I was going for.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pointing out the fact, which I find extremely probative.
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  Speaker 1: Agree or disagree with Kelly Hyman, that she and Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Versy places herself alone, alone with maybe Ari at the
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  Speaker 1: time his injuries to his digitals, his face, and his
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  Speaker 1: stomach are first known. She is alone with the baby.
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  Speaker 1: That's critical, Kelly.
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  Speaker 12: That will be something ultimately up for the experts. It
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  Speaker 12: will be very interesting if they have some.
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  Speaker 14: Kind of therapist, psychologist, psychiatrists take the witness stand for
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  Speaker 14: the prosecution to show motive, to show what the reasoning
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  Speaker 14: was behind it. Nancy, if a fact was the fact
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  Speaker 14: that she goes in and does this and then in
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  Speaker 14: fact becomes their own hero, so to speak, that is
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  Speaker 14: definitely something potentially I could see the expert psychologists psychiatrists
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  Speaker 14: potentially testifying to and of course the defendants will have
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  Speaker 14: the opportunity to cross examine and potentially present their own
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  Speaker 14: experts as well. It appears that potentially one of their
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  Speaker 14: defenses will be that it was an accident based on
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  Speaker 14: what the attorney said to news reporters.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, she remains innocent and our jurisprudence until she
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  Speaker 1: is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 3: As parents of newborn Savannah and Ethan wait in the
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  Speaker 3: er with the baby Ari, they receive an even more
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  Speaker 3: worrying call. Baby Leon has fallen and is unresponsive.
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  Speaker 1: What their heads must have been blowing off there in
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  Speaker 1: the er with baby Ari with gentitle swelling and cuts
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  Speaker 1: and bruises. And they get an email or text I
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  Speaker 1: guess from the PhD student, the glam PhD student, that
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  Speaker 1: the other baby is now unresponsive due to a head injury. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who is this woman that the press insists on calling
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  Speaker 1: calling a glamorous PhD student slash spin cyclist instructor.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
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  Speaker 8: Listen, hi there, my name is Nicole Versy and I'm
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  Speaker 8: the first author on the article titled Depression symptom patterns
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  Speaker 8: as predictors of metabolic syndrome and cardiac events and centimatic
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  Speaker 8: women suspected my cardial athemia.
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  Speaker 1: What okay, she's getting her psychology PhD. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: that video is from the Heart and Mind Journal. I
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  Speaker 1: bet they're proud today. But did you hear her state
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  Speaker 1: I am the first author on the art of the article,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually located the article.
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  Speaker 2: And read it. My eyes were bleeding because it's beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Anything we learned in law school or since so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to have to go back to doctor Kendall. Crown's
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  Speaker 1: joining us now in Chief Medical Examiner Chief Medical Examiner
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  Speaker 1: Terran County.
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  Speaker 2: The way I understood her article is that she is.
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  Speaker 1: Describing the effects of depression or let me just say,
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  Speaker 1: disturbing events in one's life, emotional events such as grief
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  Speaker 1: or turbulence, the effect that those factors have as it
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  Speaker 1: relates to comorbidity in a heart event of a woman. Translation,
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  Speaker 1: I think what she's saying is if you're a depressed
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  Speaker 1: or you have a traumatic life event like you lose
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  Speaker 1: your job or you have to move or you.
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  Speaker 2: Get a divorce, or there's a death in your family.
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  Speaker 1: How does that affect as a core code morbidity factor
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  Speaker 1: in heart attacks or heart events?
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  Speaker 2: Is that what she's saying.
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  Speaker 7: It does sound like that is what her article is saying,
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  Speaker 7: that if you've had a traumatic life event, that you
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  Speaker 7: are at the higher risk of having a higher attack
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  Speaker 7: or a myocardialan farnction. The exact specific of the article,
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  Speaker 7: I'd have to look at it, but I mean stressors
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  Speaker 7: in life, of course, can affect you in a numerous ways.
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  Speaker 7: I don't usually eat heart attacks. It's coronary artery disease
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  Speaker 7: or cornary artery blockage. Not necessarily your life events, but
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  Speaker 7: more of your poor dietary habits.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's following up on the theory quote it
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  Speaker 1: broke my heart.
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  Speaker 2: So let's listen to more.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Versey in her video presentation, and you notice she
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  Speaker 1: says I am the first author. When I read it,
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  Speaker 1: I realized there were other co authors. I'd love to
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  Speaker 1: hear their input on writing this article. With her note
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  Speaker 1: to self find them. Listen to Nicole Versy The.
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  Speaker 8: Whys and Why CDD Projects, which is published part of
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  Speaker 8: the Heart and Mind special issue on stressors and cardiovascular
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  Speaker 8: disease in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: That video is from the Heart and Mind Journal, but
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: as you see her there, she looks very different than
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: she does in that mugshot. I want to get back
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  Speaker 1: to the facts at issue here.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 9: While spending time watching the twin boys, Ari and Leon,
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  Speaker 9: Nicole Versey tells the parents she notices odd injuries on
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  Speaker 9: Ari's genitals. Looking closer, the new parents decide to take
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  Speaker 9: Ari to the hospital, leaving their other son, Ari's twin
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  Speaker 9: Leon Katz, in the care of Nicole Bersey. Around six
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  Speaker 9: thirty PM. Just after eleven PM, Ethan Katz and Savannah
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  Speaker 9: Robertson get a call from Nicole Ersey telling them while
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  Speaker 9: she was in the kitchen getting a bottle for Leon,
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  Speaker 9: the baby fell from his bouncer seat and hit his head.
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  Speaker 9: Ethan tells her to call nine to one one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Back to our special guests joining us, Gabriella de Luca
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  Speaker 1: joining us from WPXI. Gabriella, I just want to confirm
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  Speaker 1: something I heard you say earlier and let you know,
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  Speaker 1: elaborate on it if possible.
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  Speaker 2: I'm understanding a change in the.
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  Speaker 1: Story because right there we have her stating he fell
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  Speaker 1: from the bouncy while she was getting a bottle. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: later I hear she said he fell from a bacinet,
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  Speaker 1: which is a completely different type of baby furniture.
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  Speaker 5: So what police are telling us is that when she
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  Speaker 5: first made that nine to one one call, she said
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  Speaker 5: told operators that this baby Leon fell from a bacinet.
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  Speaker 5: Then it appears when investigators get there and when she
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  Speaker 5: talks to them, she's saying that the baby was actually
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  Speaker 5: in a bouncy seat that was unfastened, and that bouncy
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  Speaker 5: seat was about eighteen inches off of the ground, and
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  Speaker 5: if you're familiar with most bacinets, they're much higher than that.
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  Speaker 5: So yes, there's a definite change in the story from
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  Speaker 5: what police are telling us.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go to Kelly him when joining us veteran
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  Speaker 1: try a lawyer host of once by a.
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  Speaker 2: Crime in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 1: Want to talk to you about a Moses basket that
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  Speaker 1: is reportedly the type of bassinet this baby had along
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  Speaker 1: with twin brother, the same kind I had for the twins.
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  Speaker 2: Why did I pick the Moses basket?
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  Speaker 1: Moses baskets replicate the basket that Moses baby Moses. You
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  Speaker 1: remember he was put in the water and a little
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  Speaker 1: basket made of reeds and floated down the water until
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  Speaker 1: the king's daughter found him and took him in to
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  Speaker 1: raise him.
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  Speaker 2: Moses Moses basket.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have bars on the side for the baby
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  Speaker 1: to stick its head through.
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  Speaker 2: They are elevated.
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  Speaker 1: And they are solid all the way around like a basket,
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  Speaker 1: and usually rise up on the side like a basket.
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  Speaker 2: Think of Noah's art type basket. So if the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Were to jump eject himself at six weeks, can't crawl,
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  Speaker 1: can barely even set up. I'll have to go back
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  Speaker 1: on Dr Crowns about that. But this baby, they can't
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  Speaker 1: even sit up yet, probably jumps out of a bassinette
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  Speaker 1: versus a baby bouncer which is just eighteen inches off
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  Speaker 1: the ground. That's even more implausible.
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  Speaker 11: That tells a compelling story, and I can definitely see
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  Speaker 11: the state who brings this case bringing that up that
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  Speaker 11: there is no other reasonable explanation that what happened to
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  Speaker 11: the baby because a person is innocent, but the state
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  Speaker 11: has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, and that.
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  Speaker 12: Is definitely key. Beyond a reasonable doubt. I can definitely
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  Speaker 12: see that coming into place the fact that there is
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  Speaker 12: no plausible explanation for this except for the fact that
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  Speaker 12: the baby was harmed, and that's definitely something the state
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  Speaker 12: will bring up and tells a very compelling story about
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  Speaker 12: these beautiful, beautiful children.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, she remains innocent and our jurisprudence until she
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  Speaker 1: is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Doctors at the er are alarmed by the cat's twins
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  Speaker 3: strange injuries and suspect something more sinister is afoot. Who
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  Speaker 3: hurt the babies.
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  Speaker 2: In this case?
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  Speaker 1: Back to you, I'm very curious about the relationship between
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  Speaker 1: Versi and the parents, Gabriella de Luca. They have been
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  Speaker 1: for instance, at least twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Do we know the capacity.
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  Speaker 5: We know that they were good friends, they were family friends,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and their families were friends. And we know that she
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: was in on a special weekend for them. It was
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Father's Day, it was their anniversary. They have these six
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  Speaker 5: week old twins. You know, most moms when they are
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  Speaker 5: that postpartum, they only want people who are really close
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  Speaker 5: to them coming to visit. You know, it's an emotional time.
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  Speaker 2: Twins.
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  Speaker 5: There's a lot so based on what we are seeing
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  Speaker 5: It seems like they were very good friends.
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  Speaker 1: They were close, and we have baby Leon back home,
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  Speaker 1: and suddenly the parents get this call or an email.
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  Speaker 2: Baby Leon has a head injury. He's unresponsive. Listen to what.
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  Speaker 1: The glam PhD student says to investigators.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Investigators speak to Nicole Versey and decide her story of
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  Speaker 4: what happened to Leon Katz doesn't match up with the
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  Speaker 4: severity of his injuries, as he would have only fallen
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  Speaker 4: eighteen inches from the bouncer to the floor. Prosecutors consider
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  Speaker 4: all the information before them and charge Nicole Versy with homicide,
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  Speaker 4: aggravated assault, and endangering the welfare of children. Prosecutors also
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  Speaker 4: file a notice of their intent to seek the death
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  Speaker 4: penalty against Nicole Versy.
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  Speaker 1: Out and now the babysitter, the friend. Nicoll Versi seems
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  Speaker 1: shocked that prosecutors could seek the death penalty. Why is
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  Speaker 1: it so often I see when the victim of an
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  Speaker 1: attack is a baby that cannot speak for itself, those
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  Speaker 1: cases are handled with sweetheart deals on voluntary manslaughter, no
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  Speaker 1: murder charges. Not this time, Nicole Versey. Not this time,
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Versey. He's considered innocent under our system. Seemingly shocked
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  Speaker 1: that she could face life behind.
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  Speaker 2: Bars without parole or the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's just think it through, doctor John Delatory,
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Think it through.
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  Speaker 1: Let your mind follow these claims to their logical conclusion.
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  Speaker 2: I know you don't like it, but do it. She
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  Speaker 2: the adult, according to.
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  Speaker 1: The state, attacked this baby in its bascinet or bouncy
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  Speaker 1: chair a six week old, talked an infant, leaving it
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  Speaker 1: with so many fractures to the head it dies.
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  Speaker 2: And remember, if there are.
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  Speaker 1: Multiple fractures, how did the baby get multiple fractures?
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  Speaker 2: Not that just one fracture you might get from falling.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Did he bounce off the hardwood floor then fracture the
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  Speaker 1: other part of his head if it's proven there are
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  Speaker 1: multiple fractures. But think about the psychopathy, doctor Delty, of
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  Speaker 1: attacking a baby, an infant in its bassie and doing
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  Speaker 1: this to the infant. And now she's, oh, my stars,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get punished. What you also have to keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind her background.
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  Speaker 2: She is a daughter of a very.
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  Speaker 1: Well known and respected cardiologist that practices in Manhattan and
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  Speaker 1: Mount Sinai impeccable credentials. Think about how she was brought
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  Speaker 1: up most likely in the lap of luxury, and now
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get punished.
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  Speaker 2: Hit me. No, I mean you're not wrong.
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  Speaker 13: I mean when we think about this, we have to
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  Speaker 13: remember that conducting these kinds of evaluations, right, and I think,
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  Speaker 13: I honestly think an evaluation she needs to happen here
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  Speaker 13: because it is possible that factitious disorder by proxy is
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  Speaker 13: at play.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: It is certainly possible.
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  Speaker 13: But you talk about her, you know, her father being
• 35:45
  Speaker 13: you know, affluent, or her father having all of these accolades,
• 35:48
  Speaker 13: Well she does too. I mean she's you know, a
• 35:51
  Speaker 13: PhD candidate. She has ten articles.
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  Speaker 2: Already, five years.
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: I mean that's how years. That's how long it's takes though, Nancy.
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: And it's troubling then, And I think, right, as a prosecutor,
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: you know, as a prosecutor, you don't need to prove
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  Speaker 13: a motive, but the jury's going to want to know
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  Speaker 13: a motive. The jury isn't just going to look at this.
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  Speaker 13: And yes, her appearance, her education, everything, all of that
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: is going to come into play. They need to know
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: why this happened. Now, why did it happen?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory? Did you just tell me? I had
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to take into account that she's glamorous, grew up with
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: a silver spoon in her.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Mouth, has accomplished almost after five years, getting her PhD.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Do I have to remind you that Brian Koberger.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Remember him, He's charged with form murders. He's a PhD
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: student too. Ted Bundy, he was in law school. He's
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: no idiot.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch, he was a practicing and renowned lawyer. For
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Pete's sake, are you telling me? I have to consider
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: their education and their lamb factor, how photogittic they are
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: before I look at the facts of what happened to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: baby Ari, what happened to baby Leon.
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  Speaker 13: It's more to it than just you need to look
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  Speaker 13: at their education. All of those individuals had a history
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: of problems. She has no history of problems at all
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  Speaker 13: in any way, shape or form. So we do have
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: to think about what exactly it is so have a
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: history of problems, No, we do.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Ted Brandy was a serial killer until he was finally busted.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I have to look at to look.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: At the facts, and the facts are plain and simple,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: regardless of what you say, Doctor Delatory. Doctor Melissa Merrick
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: joining US President CEO Prevent Child Abuse America, what is
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: your message today?
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  Speaker 10: In a nutshell, my message is that unfortunately, child's abuse
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  Speaker 10: happens everywhere. Right, we need to get in front of it.
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  Speaker 10: We need to allow families to have high quality, the
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: affordable childcare, to learn about adequate caregiving strategies, right to
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: have some of the load and the stressors that are
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: on them to be lifted. The Surgeon General just said
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  Speaker 10: that parental stress is a public health crisis.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: We know having two babies crying and little and we're
• 38:19
  Speaker 10: all stressed out, We're not getting enough sleep. That's not
• 38:22
  Speaker 10: just parents, but anyone that watches our child needs to
• 38:25
  Speaker 10: know how to soothe them and how to be appropriate.
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: But child abuse happens everywhere, no matter education, no matter income.
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: But it is always preventable, and all of us have
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: a role to play in preventing these crazy, crazy, sad
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: fatalities and harms to kids.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what would the child have endured after
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: a blow to the head and brain swelling?
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  Speaker 7: So if he was still conscious, it would cause the
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: brain would from the blood would start swelling and would
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: cause severe headache, start the child to begin to throw
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  Speaker 7: up and then eventually go into a coma and die.
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: But from the injuries described with the large fracture and
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: the brain bleed, to me, it sounds like the child
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: was swung into a hard surface, skulls fractured, he was
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: probably immediately unconscious.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: And you're right, Gabriella and doctor Crowns, it's only one
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: skull fracture to the left side of the head. But
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: with multiple brain bleeds, how does that happen, doctor Crowns?
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: From one fracture on the left side of the head,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: which would indicate the person was right handed that threw him,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: if it was in fact to throw, how could one
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: fracture to the left side of the skull result in
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: multiple brain bleeds.
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  Speaker 7: So I mean the skull fracture is one impact. You
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: have to remember the brain itself has a little bit
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: of space inside the skull, So if the child is
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: being shook and then slammed against the surface, the shaking
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: itself can cause tearing of the vessels of the brain
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: and then that can cause hemorrhage. So when I hear
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: something like that, it makes me feel like there was
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: a shaking incident followed by a slam to the ground.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds in our prayers for not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: only Leon's baby, Leon's parents, but for baby Aurri, who
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: will grow knowing that he once had a twin brother.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests for being with us to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: enlighten and report on this very upsetting case. Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,