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Embodying Compassion: The Practice of Loving Everyone with Jack Kornfield · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  our
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  conversation
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  with
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  Buddhist
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  teacher
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  Jack
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  Kornfield,
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  where
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  we
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  explore
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  the
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  mind
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  and
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  the
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  heart
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  of
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  this
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  remarkable
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  man.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  -
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  Dr.
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  RogerWalsh
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  andJohnDupuy.
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  There
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  are
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  so
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  many
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  things
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  that
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  also
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  can
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  remind
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  us.
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  They
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  remind
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  us
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  of
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  our
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  belonging
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  to
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  each
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  other,
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  that
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  we're
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  not
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  separate
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  from
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  the
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  rainforest.
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  Our
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  breath,
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  we
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  inter-breathe
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  with
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  the
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  worms,
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  right?
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  And
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  the
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  monkeys,
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  the
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  chimpanzees,
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  we
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  inter-breathe
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  with
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  everything.
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  And
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  the
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  larks
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  and
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  the
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  eagles,
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  we
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  take
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  the
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  same
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  air
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  and
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  breathe.
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  And
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  our
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  neighbors,
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  that's
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  even
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  more
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  terrifying.
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  We're
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  breathing,
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  exchanging
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  breath
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  with
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  them.
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  You
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  know,
• 1:03
  imagine
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  kissing
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  your
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  neighbors
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  on
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  the
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  mouth
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  and
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  exchanging
• 1:07
  breath.
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  It's
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  more
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  or
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  less
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  what
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  you're
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  doing
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  all
• 1:09
  the
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  time
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  and
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  you
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  can't
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  separate
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  it.
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  And
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  it
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  doesn't
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  matter
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  which
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  flag
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  they're
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  flying,
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  the
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  freak
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  flag,
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  the
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  LGBT
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  rainbow
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  flag,
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  the
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  MAGA
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  flag,
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  you're
• 1:19
  all
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  still
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  breathing
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  together,
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  baby,
• 1:21
  you
• 1:22
  know?
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  And
• 1:22
  the
• 1:22
  bodhisattva
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  spirit
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  starts
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  to
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  open.
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  You
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  say,
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  it's
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  us.
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  And
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  then
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  you
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  love
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  them
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  all,
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  the
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  weird
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  ones
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  and
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  the,
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  even
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  the
• 1:31
  ones
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  who
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  are
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  causing
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  pain
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  and
• 1:34
  destruction.
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  You
• 1:36
  hold
• 1:36
  them
• 1:36
  all
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  in
• 1:37
  that
• 1:37
  great
• 1:38
  heart
• 1:38
  of
• 1:38
  compassion
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  and
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  say,
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  yes,
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  because
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  those
• 1:41
  who
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  are
• 1:41
  causing
• 1:41
  pain
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  generally
• 1:43
  experience
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  a
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  lot
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  of
• 1:44
  pain.
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  Hurt
• 1:46
  people,
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  hurt
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  other
• 1:48
  people.
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  Frightened
• 1:49
  people
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  can
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  harm
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  because
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  they're
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  scared.
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  And
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  we're
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  wired
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  that
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  way.
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  And
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  then
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  your
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  heart
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  opens,
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  you
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  go,
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  oh
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  yeah,
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  you
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  too.
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  You
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  two,
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  all
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  of
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  them,
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  you
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  know,
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  how
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  can
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  you
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  not
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  love
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  the
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  lioness
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  and
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  the
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  gazelle
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  both?
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  Without
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  the
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  gazelle,
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  there'd
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  be
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  no
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  lioness.
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  Without
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  the
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  lioness,
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  without
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  to
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  cull
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  the
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  herds,
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  what
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  would
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  happen
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  to
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  the
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  gazelles,
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  but
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  they
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  are
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  somehow
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  interconnected.
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  You
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  know.
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  They
• 2:19
  would
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  starve
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  to
• 2:20
  death.
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  herewoulddeath.
• 2:20
  And
• 2:20
  they
• 2:20
  would,
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  yes,
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  just
• 2:22
  over
• 2:22
  graze
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  and
• 2:24
  then
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  they
• 2:24
  would
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  die.
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  It's
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  all
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  a
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  wild
• 2:26
  interconnected
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  system.
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  And
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  you
• 2:29
  think
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  you're
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  separate
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  and
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  you
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  actually
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  think
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  you
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  exist.
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  That's
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  a
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  deeper
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  level.
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  First,
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  you're
• 2:34
  not
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  separate.
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  That's
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  just
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  a
• 2:35
  fiction
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  anybody
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  with
• 2:37
  eyes
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  to
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  see
• 2:38
  realizes
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  and
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  every
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  breath
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  to
• 2:41
  take.
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  But
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  then
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  you're
• 2:42
  not
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  who
• 2:43
  you
• 2:43
  think
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  you
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  are.
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  And
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  okay,
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  I
• 2:47
  could
• 2:47
  say
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  you
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  have
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  an
• 2:48
  original
• 2:49
  nobility,
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  but
• 2:51
  deeper
• 2:51
  than
• 2:51
  that,
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  you
• 2:52
  are
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  consciousness.
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  Consciousness
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  in
• 2:55
  drag
• 2:55
  in
• 2:56
  the
• 2:56
  Roger
• 2:56
  Walsh
• 2:57
  form,
• 2:57
  saying,
• 2:58
  let
• 2:58
  me
• 2:58
  see
• 2:58
  what
• 2:59
  happens
• 2:59
  if
• 2:59
  I
• 2:59
  make
• 2:59
  a
• 3:00
  Roger
• 3:00
  Walsh?
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  What
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  will
• 3:01
  that
• 3:01
  one
• 3:01
  do,
• 3:02
  you
• 3:02
  know?
• 3:03
  And
• 3:03
  all
• 3:03
  coming
• 3:04
  from
• 3:04
  the
• 3:04
  source
• 3:05
  or
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  cosmic
• 3:06
  creativity
• 3:09
  that
• 3:09
  Stan
• 3:09
  Grof
• 3:10
  calls
• 3:10
  the
• 3:10
  creative
• 3:11
  principle.
• 3:13
  And
• 3:13
  the
• 3:13
  beautiful
• 3:14
  thing
• 3:14
  is
• 3:14
  that
• 3:14
  we
• 3:15
  actually
• 3:16
  can
• 3:16
  touch
• 3:17
  this
• 3:17
  and
• 3:17
  know
• 3:18
  it.
• 3:18
  Not
• 3:18
  as
• 3:19
  a
• 3:19
  philosophy.
• 3:20
  Philosophy's
• 3:21
  okay.
• 3:22
  Gets
• 3:22
  kind
• 3:22
  of
• 3:22
  boring
• 3:23
  after
• 3:23
  about
• 3:23
  10
• 3:24
  or
• 3:24
  20
• 3:24
  philosophy
• 3:25
  books,
• 3:26
  right?
• 3:27
  Even
• 3:27
  good
• 3:27
  ones.
• 3:29
  But
• 3:29
  you
• 3:29
  can
• 3:29
  actually
• 3:29
  know
• 3:30
  this
• 3:30
  in
• 3:30
  deep
• 3:31
  meditation,
• 3:32
  in
• 3:32
  shamanic
• 3:33
  journeys,
• 3:34
  in
• 3:35
  psychedelics,
• 3:36
  in
• 3:37
  just
• 3:37
  deep
• 3:37
  intuition.
• 3:39
  And
• 3:39
  you
• 3:39
  know
• 3:40
  it.
• 3:40
  You
• 3:40
  know,
• 3:41
  when
• 3:41
  you
• 3:41
  sit
• 3:41
  with
• 3:41
  someone
• 3:42
  who's
• 3:42
  dying,
• 3:43
  sometimes
• 3:43
  the
• 3:44
  gates
• 3:44
  between
• 3:44
  the
• 3:45
  worlds
• 3:45
  open
• 3:46
  and
• 3:46
  you
• 3:46
  go,
• 3:47
  wow,
• 3:48
  we
• 3:48
  are
• 3:49
  all
• 3:49
  just
• 3:49
  a
• 3:49
  play
• 3:50
  of
• 3:50
  consciousness.
• 3:51
  You'll
• 3:52
  find
• 3:52
  out
• 3:52
  when
• 3:52
  you
• 3:52
  die.
• 3:53
  You'll
• 3:53
  see,
• 3:53
  whoa.
• 3:53
  You
• 3:54
  float
• 3:54
  out
• 3:54
  of
• 3:54
  your
• 3:54
  body.
• 3:55
  That
• 3:55
  was
• 3:55
  quite
• 3:56
  an
• 3:56
  incarnation,
• 3:57
  wasn't
• 3:57
  it?
• 3:58
  And
• 3:58
  then
• 3:58
  usually
• 3:58
  they
• 3:59
  say
• 3:59
  you
• 3:59
  do
• 3:59
  a
• 3:59
  life
• 4:00
  review,
• 4:01
  but
• 4:01
  it's
• 4:02
  not
• 4:02
  judgmental.
• 4:03
  It's
• 4:04
  like,
• 4:04
  wow,
• 4:05
  in
• 4:05
  that
• 4:05
  incarnation.
• 4:06
  Look
• 4:06
  at
• 4:07
  that.
• 4:07
  Amazing.
• 4:08
  And
• 4:09
  there's
• 4:09
  a
• 4:09
  sense
• 4:09
  of
• 4:10
  wonder
• 4:10
  and
• 4:11
  freedom.
• 4:12
  And
• 4:12
  that's
• 4:12
  just
• 4:12
  the
• 4:13
  beginning
• 4:13
  of
• 4:13
  the
• 4:14
  opening
• 4:15
  to
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  clear
• 4:15
  light.
• 4:18
  Beautiful.
• 4:19
  Jack.
• 4:19
  Yeah.
• 4:20
  So
• 4:20
  much
• 4:20
  and
• 4:21
  so
• 4:21
  much
• 4:21
  in
• 4:21
  what
• 4:21
  you've
• 4:22
  said,
• 4:22
  so.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  thank
• 4:23
  you
• 4:23
  for
• 4:24
  the
• 4:25
  reframing
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  the.
• 4:28
  Of
• 4:28
  ideals
• 4:29
  in
• 4:29
  general
• 4:30
  and
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  Bodhisattva
• 4:32
  vow.
• 4:32
  And
• 4:32
  actually,
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  have
• 4:33
  an
• 4:33
  allergy
• 4:34
  to
• 4:34
  even
• 4:34
  calling
• 4:34
  it
• 4:35
  a
• 4:35
  vow.
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  vow
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  say
• 4:37
  all
• 4:37
  sentient
• 4:38
  things.
• 4:40
  When
• 4:40
  I
• 4:40
  first
• 4:40
  got
• 4:41
  into
• 4:41
  Tibetan
• 4:41
  Buddhism,
• 4:42
  I
• 4:42
  was
• 4:42
  in
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  retreat
• 4:43
  with
• 4:43
  a
• 4:43
  Tibetan
• 4:44
  teacher,
• 4:44
  and
• 4:45
  for
• 4:45
  a
• 4:45
  month,
• 4:46
  every
• 4:46
  sitting
• 4:47
  began
• 4:47
  with
• 4:48
  reciting
• 4:48
  the
• 4:48
  Bodhisattva
• 4:49
  vow.
• 4:50
  I
• 4:50
  vow
• 4:50
  to
• 4:50
  save
• 4:51
  all
• 4:51
  sentient
• 4:51
  beings.
• 4:52
  It's
• 4:52
  like
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  just
• 4:53
  mouthed
• 4:53
  the
• 4:53
  words,
• 4:54
  there's
• 4:54
  no
• 4:54
  way
• 4:55
  I
• 4:55
  can't
• 4:56
  save
• 4:56
  this
• 4:56
  sentient
• 4:57
  being.
• 4:58
  And
• 4:58
  finally,
• 4:59
  after
• 4:59
  a
• 4:59
  few
• 4:59
  weeks,
• 5:00
  I
• 5:00
  stood
• 5:00
  up
• 5:00
  and
• 5:00
  said,
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  know,
• 5:01
  I
• 5:01
  just
• 5:02
  got
• 5:02
  married
• 5:02
  after
• 5:03
  nine
• 5:03
  years,
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  it
• 5:04
  took
• 5:05
  me
• 5:05
  nine
• 5:05
  years
• 5:05
  before
• 5:06
  I
• 5:06
  was
• 5:06
  willing
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  serve
• 5:07
  one
• 5:07
  sentient
• 5:08
  being.
• 5:09
  He
• 5:10
  was
• 5:10
  not
• 5:10
  impressed
• 5:11
  in
• 5:12
  the
• 5:12
  least,
• 5:13
  but
• 5:14
  it's
• 5:14
  real.
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  have
• 5:15
  much
• 5:15
  more
• 5:16
  resonance
• 5:17
  with
• 5:17
  the
• 5:17
  idea
• 5:18
  of
• 5:18
  an
• 5:18
  aspiration
• 5:20
  that,
• 5:20
  yeah,
• 5:20
  it
• 5:21
  would
• 5:21
  be
• 5:21
  wonderful
• 5:22
  if
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  could
• 5:23
  serve
• 5:23
  and
• 5:24
  help
• 5:24
  everyone.
• 5:26
  That
• 5:26
  would
• 5:26
  be
• 5:26
  just
• 5:26
  beautiful.
• 5:28
  Well,
• 5:28
  your
• 5:28
  existence
• 5:29
  does
• 5:29
  it.
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  mean,
• 5:30
  and
• 5:31
  if
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  live
• 5:31
  with
• 5:31
  a
• 5:32
  good
• 5:32
  heart,
• 5:32
  that's
• 5:33
  serving.
• 5:34
  I
• 5:34
  mean,
• 5:35
  yes,
• 5:35
  what
• 5:35
  you're
• 5:36
  saying
• 5:36
  is
• 5:36
  really
• 5:36
  important.
• 5:37
  The
• 5:37
  difference
• 5:38
  between
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  ideal
• 5:39
  and
• 5:40
  actually
• 5:40
  us
• 5:41
  as
• 5:41
  human
• 5:41
  beings.
• 5:42
  And
• 5:43
  then
• 5:43
  there's
• 5:43
  some,
• 5:43
  you
• 5:44
  know,
• 5:44
  I
• 5:44
  have
• 5:44
  to
• 5:45
  say
• 5:46
  so.
• 5:46
  We've
• 5:46
  had
• 5:46
  a
• 5:46
  variety
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  teacher
• 5:47
  meetings
• 5:48
  from
• 5:48
  teachers
• 5:49
  around
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  world,
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  one
• 5:51
  of
• 5:51
  them,
• 5:51
  we
• 5:51
  were
• 5:51
  sitting
• 5:52
  with
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  Dalai
• 5:52
  Lama,
• 5:53
  who
• 5:53
  I
• 5:54
  just
• 5:54
  so
• 5:54
  love
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  admire,
• 5:56
  and
• 5:57
  we
• 5:57
  were
• 5:57
  talking
• 5:57
  about
• 5:59
  teaching
• 6:00
  about
• 6:00
  Bodhisattva
• 6:02
  and
• 6:02
  said,
• 6:02
  but,
• 6:02
  you
• 6:03
  know,
• 6:03
  as
• 6:03
  teachers,
• 6:04
  we
• 6:04
  also
• 6:05
  have
• 6:05
  to
• 6:06
  take
• 6:06
  care
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  ourself.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  beautiful
• 6:07
  thing
• 6:07
  about
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  Bodhisattva
• 6:09
  Vow,
• 6:09
  it
• 6:09
  doesn't
• 6:10
  really
• 6:11
  Complete
• 6:11
  the
• 6:12
  circle.
• 6:13
  If
• 6:13
  you're
• 6:14
  not
• 6:14
  including
• 6:14
  yourself,
• 6:15
  the
• 6:16
  compassion
• 6:16
  has
• 6:16
  to
• 6:17
  include
• 6:17
  yourself.
• 6:17
  Anyway,
• 6:18
  we
• 6:18
  talk
• 6:18
  about
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  role
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  a
• 6:20
  teacher
• 6:20
  and
• 6:20
  how
• 6:20
  after
• 6:21
  time
• 6:22
  we
• 6:22
  can
• 6:22
  get
• 6:23
  exhausted
• 6:24
  or
• 6:24
  burned
• 6:25
  out
• 6:25
  even,
• 6:26
  and
• 6:26
  we
• 6:26
  have
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  do
• 6:27
  our
• 6:27
  own
• 6:27
  retreat
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  we
• 6:28
  have
• 6:28
  to
• 6:29
  maybe
• 6:30
  have
• 6:30
  some
• 6:31
  time
• 6:31
  off
• 6:31
  duty
• 6:32
  to.
• 6:33
  And
• 6:33
  the
• 6:34
  Dalai
• 6:34
  Lama
• 6:34
  looked
• 6:35
  up
• 6:35
  and
• 6:36
  he
• 6:36
  said
• 6:36
  in
• 6:36
  his
• 6:37
  I'm
• 6:37
  going
• 6:37
  to
• 6:37
  do
• 6:37
  what
• 6:38
  I'm
• 6:38
  not
• 6:38
  supposed
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  do.
• 6:39
  But
• 6:39
  it's
• 6:39
  vaguely
• 6:39
  imitated.
• 6:40
  But
• 6:40
  he
• 6:40
  said,
• 6:42
  bodhisattva,
• 6:43
  off
• 6:43
  duty.
• 6:45
  Bodhisattva,
• 6:46
  off
• 6:46
  duty.
• 6:47
  And
• 6:47
  it
• 6:47
  was
• 6:47
  like
• 6:48
  he
• 6:48
  couldn't
• 6:48
  conceive
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  it.
• 6:49
  It
• 6:50
  was
• 6:50
  a
• 6:50
  really
• 6:50
  funny
• 6:51
  moment
• 6:52
  because
• 6:52
  for
• 6:53
  him,
• 6:54
  it's
• 6:54
  all
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  play
• 6:55
  of
• 6:56
  Bodhisattva.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  I
• 6:57
  don't
• 6:57
  think
• 6:58
  it's
• 6:58
  like,
• 6:58
  oh,
• 6:58
  I'm
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  Bodhisattva
• 6:59
  all
• 6:59
  the
• 7:00
  time.
• 7:00
  It's
• 7:00
  just,
• 7:01
  our
• 7:01
  existence
• 7:02
  is
• 7:03
  connected
• 7:03
  with
• 7:03
  all
• 7:04
  beings,
• 7:04
  and
• 7:04
  we
• 7:05
  lift
• 7:05
  them
• 7:05
  all
• 7:06
  up,
• 7:06
  and
• 7:07
  you
• 7:07
  don't
• 7:07
  have
• 7:07
  to
• 7:07
  take
• 7:07
  the
• 7:08
  damn
• 7:09
  vow.
• 7:10
  You
• 7:10
  just,
• 7:10
  you
• 7:11
  know,
• 7:11
  just
• 7:12
  live
• 7:12
  a
• 7:12
  Bodhisattva
• 7:13
  life.
• 7:14
  Something
• 7:15
  like
• 7:15
  that.
• 7:17
  Yeah.
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  was
• 7:17
  once
• 7:18
  in
• 7:18
  a
• 7:18
  retreat
• 7:18
  with
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  same.
• 7:19
  With
• 7:20
  the
• 7:21
  same.
• 7:21
  Same
• 7:22
  teacher.
• 7:22
  And
• 7:23
  it
• 7:23
  was
• 7:23
  a
• 7:23
  retreat
• 7:24
  in
• 7:24
  which
• 7:24
  there
• 7:24
  are
• 7:24
  a
• 7:25
  lot
• 7:25
  of
• 7:25
  Vipassana
• 7:26
  Insight
• 7:27
  Meditation
• 7:27
  teachers.
• 7:28
  President
• 7:29
  and
• 7:30
  the
• 7:31
  Tibetan
• 7:32
  teacher
• 7:32
  got
• 7:32
  older.
• 7:33
  All
• 7:33
  us,
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  pastor
• 7:35
  teaches
• 7:35
  together
• 7:36
  and
• 7:36
  wanted
• 7:37
  to
• 7:37
  quiz
• 7:37
  us
• 7:37
  about
• 7:38
  what
• 7:38
  we're
• 7:38
  doing.
• 7:38
  And
• 7:39
  so
• 7:39
  we
• 7:39
  went
• 7:39
  around
• 7:39
  this
• 7:39
  circle
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  said,
• 7:40
  well,
• 7:40
  I'm
• 7:40
  doing
• 7:41
  this.
• 7:41
  I
• 7:41
  teach
• 7:41
  here.
• 7:41
  Blah,
• 7:42
  blah.
• 7:43
  Came
• 7:43
  to
• 7:44
  Joseph
• 7:44
  Goldstein.
• 7:45
  Joseph
• 7:45
  said,
• 7:46
  well,
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  teach
• 7:47
  at
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  Insight
• 7:47
  Meditation
• 7:48
  center,
• 7:48
  but
• 7:48
  I
• 7:49
  think
• 7:49
  I'm
• 7:49
  going
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  retire
• 7:50
  and
• 7:50
  take
• 7:50
  up
• 7:51
  this
• 7:51
  practice.
• 7:52
  And
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  teacher
• 7:52
  stopped
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  he
• 7:53
  said,
• 7:54
  I've
• 7:54
  never
• 7:54
  known
• 7:54
  a
• 7:55
  teacher
• 7:55
  to
• 7:55
  retire.
• 7:59
  Oh,
• 7:59
  really?
• 8:00
  Yeah.
• 8:00
  I
• 8:01
  thought
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  was
• 8:01
  really
• 8:01
  good
• 8:02
  because,
• 8:02
  like,
• 8:02
  what
• 8:03
  would
• 8:03
  you
• 8:03
  do
• 8:03
  that
• 8:03
  would
• 8:04
  be
• 8:04
  more
• 8:04
  fulfilling
• 8:06
  than
• 8:06
  share
• 8:06
  this?
• 8:07
  So
• 8:07
  that
• 8:08
  was
• 8:08
  a.
• 8:08
  That
• 8:08
  was
• 8:08
  a
• 8:09
  good
• 8:09
  teaching.
• 8:10
  Yeah,
• 8:11
  yeah.
• 8:12
  But.
• 8:12
  But,
• 8:13
  Jack,
• 8:13
  there's
• 8:13
  a
• 8:14
  theme
• 8:14
  I'd
• 8:15
  love
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  get
• 8:15
  into
• 8:15
  here
• 8:16
  with
• 8:16
  you.
• 8:16
  You've
• 8:17
  been
• 8:17
  beautifully
• 8:18
  talking
• 8:19
  about
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  Bodhisattva.
• 8:20
  Let's
• 8:21
  call
• 8:21
  it
• 8:21
  aspiration.
• 8:22
  Bodhisattva,
• 8:23
  aspiration.
• 8:25
  And
• 8:26
  one
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  interesting
• 8:27
  things
• 8:27
  about
• 8:28
  Buddhism
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  that
• 8:29
  perhaps
• 8:30
  more
• 8:30
  than
• 8:30
  any
• 8:30
  other
• 8:30
  tradition,
• 8:31
  it
• 8:31
  has
• 8:32
  evolved.
• 8:33
  It's
• 8:33
  evolved
• 8:34
  through
• 8:34
  what
• 8:35
  are
• 8:35
  called
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  three,
• 8:36
  or
• 8:36
  sometimes
• 8:36
  four
• 8:37
  turnings.
• 8:38
  And
• 8:38
  each
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  those
• 8:39
  turnings
• 8:39
  has
• 8:39
  had
• 8:40
  its
• 8:40
  own
• 8:41
  view
• 8:41
  of
• 8:42
  what
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  great
• 8:42
  person
• 8:43
  is.
• 8:44
  Starting
• 8:44
  with
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  arahat,
• 8:45
  which
• 8:45
  was
• 8:46
  less
• 8:46
  emphasis
• 8:47
  on
• 8:48
  awakening.
• 8:49
  Everyone
• 8:49
  was
• 8:49
  more.
• 8:50
  The
• 8:50
  most
• 8:50
  important
• 8:51
  value
• 8:51
  was
• 8:52
  one's
• 8:52
  own
• 8:52
  awakening.
• 8:53
  And
• 8:53
  then,
• 8:53
  yes,
• 8:54
  one
• 8:54
  would
• 8:54
  serve
• 8:54
  and
• 8:55
  teach,
• 8:55
  but.
• 8:56
  So
• 8:56
  there
• 8:56
  was
• 8:56
  an
• 8:56
  evolution
• 8:57
  there
• 8:58
  over
• 8:59
  time
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  an
• 9:03
  increasing
• 9:05
  grandeur
• 9:05
  of
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  vision
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  possibility
• 9:07
  of
• 9:07
  what
• 9:07
  A
• 9:07
  human
• 9:08
  can
• 9:08
  be
• 9:09
  towards
• 9:09
  a
• 9:09
  deeper
• 9:10
  understanding
• 9:11
  and
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  fundamental
• 9:12
  nature
• 9:12
  of
• 9:12
  reality
• 9:13
  and
• 9:14
  towards
• 9:14
  a
• 9:16
  more
• 9:16
  encompassing
• 9:18
  understanding
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  what
• 9:20
  way
• 9:20
  we
• 9:20
  could
• 9:21
  as
• 9:21
  humans,
• 9:21
  aspire
• 9:22
  to.
• 9:23
  So
• 9:23
  that
• 9:23
  was
• 9:24
  really
• 9:25
  beautiful
• 9:25
  to
• 9:25
  see
• 9:26
  that
• 9:26
  evolution.
• 9:27
  But
• 9:27
  then
• 9:28
  with
• 9:28
  the
• 9:28
  third
• 9:29
  turning,
• 9:29
  the
• 9:29
  so
• 9:30
  called
• 9:30
  Vajrayana,
• 9:31
  or
• 9:31
  the
• 9:32
  most
• 9:32
  exemplified
• 9:33
  in
• 9:34
  Tibetan
• 9:34
  Buddhism,
• 9:36
  there
• 9:36
  was
• 9:37
  the
• 9:38
  idea
• 9:38
  of
• 9:38
  the
• 9:39
  Siddha,
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  person
• 9:41
  who
• 9:42
  embodies
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  quality
• 9:43
  of
• 9:43
  the
• 9:44
  arahat,
• 9:44
  in
• 9:45
  that
• 9:45
  they
• 9:45
  aspire
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  awakening
• 9:48
  for
• 9:48
  themselves
• 9:49
  and
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  bodhisattva
• 9:52
  that
• 9:52
  they
• 9:52
  aspire
• 9:53
  for,
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  awakening
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  all,
• 9:55
  but
• 9:55
  also
• 9:55
  brought
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  an
• 9:56
  element
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  emphasizing
• 9:58
  what
• 9:59
  you've
• 9:59
  been
• 9:59
  talking
• 9:59
  to,
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  fundamental
• 10:00
  nature
• 10:01
  being
• 10:01
  consciousness
• 10:02
  and
• 10:02
  this
• 10:02
  being
• 10:02
  the
• 10:03
  play
• 10:03
  of
• 10:03
  consciousness.
• 10:04
  And
• 10:04
  so
• 10:05
  now
• 10:05
  there
• 10:05
  was
• 10:05
  this
• 10:06
  introduction
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  this
• 10:08
  perspective
• 10:08
  one
• 10:09
  could
• 10:10
  play
• 10:10
  in
• 10:10
  this
• 10:11
  world,
• 10:12
  not
• 10:12
  reject
• 10:13
  it
• 10:13
  in
• 10:13
  any
• 10:13
  way,
• 10:14
  but
• 10:14
  just
• 10:15
  play
• 10:15
  in
• 10:16
  it
• 10:16
  and
• 10:17
  awaken
• 10:18
  and
• 10:19
  serve
• 10:19
  and
• 10:20
  awaken.
• 10:20
  And
• 10:21
  it
• 10:21
  seemed
• 10:21
  like
• 10:21
  a
• 10:22
  beautiful
• 10:23
  addition.
• 10:25
  Well,
• 10:25
  I'm
• 10:26
  listening
• 10:26
  to
• 10:26
  you,
• 10:27
  Roger,
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  you've
• 10:27
  been
• 10:28
  brainwashed
• 10:28
  a
• 10:29
  little
• 10:29
  bit,
• 10:29
  I'm
• 10:30
  sorry
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  say,
• 10:31
  you
• 10:32
  know,
• 10:32
  because
• 10:32
  that's
• 10:32
  a
• 10:33
  historical
• 10:33
  perspective.
• 10:35
  You
• 10:35
  know,
• 10:35
  the
• 10:36
  history
• 10:36
  books
• 10:36
  are
• 10:37
  written
• 10:37
  by
• 10:37
  the,
• 10:38
  you
• 10:38
  know,
• 10:38
  the
• 10:39
  people
• 10:39
  have
• 10:39
  their
• 10:40
  views
• 10:40
  about
• 10:40
  history
• 10:42
  and
• 10:42
  things
• 10:42
  like
• 10:42
  that.
• 10:42
  And
• 10:43
  each
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  those
• 10:43
  traditions
• 10:44
  would
• 10:44
  have
• 10:44
  a
• 10:44
  different
• 10:45
  story
• 10:46
  about
• 10:46
  what
• 10:46
  you're
• 10:47
  saying.
• 10:48
  So
• 10:48
  it's
• 10:48
  a
• 10:49
  nice
• 10:49
  story.
• 10:50
  In
• 10:50
  fact,
• 10:52
  as
• 10:52
  best
• 10:52
  as
• 10:52
  I
• 10:53
  can
• 10:53
  tell,
• 10:53
  having
• 10:54
  studied
• 10:54
  somewhat
• 10:55
  in
• 10:55
  each
• 10:55
  of
• 10:55
  those
• 10:56
  traditions,
• 10:57
  both
• 10:57
  living
• 10:58
  traditions
• 10:58
  and
• 10:59
  scholarly,
• 11:00
  is
• 11:01
  all
• 11:01
  of
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  things
• 11:02
  that
• 11:03
  evolved
• 11:04
  in
• 11:04
  these
• 11:04
  different
• 11:04
  cultures.
• 11:05
  And
• 11:05
  in
• 11:05
  Tibet,
• 11:06
  it
• 11:06
  was
• 11:06
  a
• 11:06
  combination
• 11:07
  of
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  Buddhist
• 11:08
  and
• 11:09
  some
• 11:09
  Hindu
• 11:09
  teachings,
• 11:10
  the
• 11:10
  traditional
• 11:11
  shamanic
• 11:12
  understandings
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  were
• 11:13
  woven
• 11:14
  into
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  culture.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:15
  Japan,
• 11:16
  Zen
• 11:17
  also
• 11:17
  met
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  martial
• 11:18
  arts
• 11:19
  traditions.
• 11:20
  And
• 11:20
  you
• 11:21
  feel
• 11:21
  that.
• 11:21
  So,
• 11:22
  yes,
• 11:22
  there's
• 11:23
  those
• 11:23
  visionary
• 11:23
  things
• 11:24
  you're
• 11:24
  talking
• 11:24
  about,
• 11:24
  but
• 11:24
  there's
• 11:24
  also
• 11:25
  the
• 11:25
  cultural
• 11:26
  representations
• 11:27
  and
• 11:27
  everybody
• 11:28
  thinking,
• 11:29
  my
• 11:29
  dharma
• 11:29
  is
• 11:30
  bigger
• 11:30
  than
• 11:30
  your
• 11:30
  dharma.
• 11:31
  Right.
• 11:34
  Anyway,
• 11:34
  that's
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  trap.
• 11:35
  Yep.
• 11:36
  Yeah.
• 11:37
  So
• 11:38
  all
• 11:39
  of
• 11:39
  the
• 11:40
  developments
• 11:41
  are
• 11:41
  there
• 11:41
  from
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  very
• 11:42
  beginning.
• 11:43
  The
• 11:43
  Buddha
• 11:44
  himself
• 11:44
  was
• 11:45
  the
• 11:45
  Bodhisattva.
• 11:47
  And
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  Theravada,
• 11:48
  there's
• 11:48
  like,
• 11:49
  I
• 11:50
  think
• 11:51
  500
• 11:51
  volumes
• 11:52
  of
• 11:52
  stories
• 11:53
  of
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  Buddha
• 11:53
  as
• 11:54
  Bodhisattva.
• 11:55
  So
• 11:55
  it's
• 11:56
  not
• 11:56
  like
• 11:56
  Bodhisattva
• 11:57
  was
• 11:57
  invented
• 11:58
  later.
• 11:59
  It.
• 11:59
  It
• 11:59
  was
• 11:59
  elaborated
• 12:00
  in
• 12:00
  other
• 12:01
  cultures
• 12:01
  in
• 12:02
  different
• 12:02
  ways
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  so
• 12:04
  forth.
• 12:04
  And
• 12:05
  in
• 12:05
  fact,
• 12:05
  all
• 12:05
  of
• 12:05
  it
• 12:06
  pretty
• 12:06
  much
• 12:06
  happened
• 12:06
  in
• 12:07
  India
• 12:07
  as
• 12:07
  well
• 12:08
  as
• 12:08
  when
• 12:08
  it
• 12:08
  moved
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  China
• 12:10
  and
• 12:10
  Japan
• 12:10
  and
• 12:10
  Tibet
• 12:11
  and
• 12:11
  so
• 12:11
  forth.
• 12:12
  But
• 12:12
  all
• 12:12
  these
• 12:12
  were
• 12:12
  together
• 12:13
  in
• 12:13
  some
• 12:13
  way
• 12:13
  at
• 12:14
  Nalanda,
• 12:15
  all
• 12:15
  these
• 12:15
  different
• 12:15
  traditions
• 12:16
  coexisting.
• 12:18
  And
• 12:18
  here's
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  different
• 12:19
  way
• 12:20
  of
• 12:20
  thinking
• 12:20
  about
• 12:20
  it,
• 12:22
  because
• 12:23
  I'm
• 12:23
  watching,
• 12:24
  you
• 12:24
  know,
• 12:24
  the
• 12:25
  Buddhist
• 12:25
  tradition,
• 12:26
  the
• 12:27
  cultural
• 12:27
  container
• 12:28
  evolve
• 12:28
  in
• 12:28
  the
• 12:29
  west
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  we
• 12:30
  have
• 12:30
  a
• 12:30
  sort
• 12:30
  of
• 12:31
  proto
• 12:31
  Western
• 12:32
  Buddhism
• 12:33
  that's
• 12:33
  a
• 12:33
  little
• 12:34
  different
• 12:35
  than
• 12:35
  the
• 12:36
  other
• 12:36
  forms.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:36
  I'll
• 12:37
  talk
• 12:37
  about
• 12:37
  it,
• 12:37
  but
• 12:37
  let
• 12:38
  me
• 12:38
  speak
• 12:39
  to
• 12:39
  the
• 12:41
  core
• 12:42
  first,
• 12:42
  and
• 12:42
  then
• 12:42
  I'll
• 12:42
  come
• 12:43
  back
• 12:43
  to
• 12:43
  that.
• 12:44
  When
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  have
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  beautiful
• 12:47
  crystal,
• 12:48
  a
• 12:48
  clear
• 12:50
  glass
• 12:51
  or
• 12:51
  diamond
• 12:52
  crystal,
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  you
• 12:54
  shine
• 12:54
  white
• 12:54
  light
• 12:55
  through.
• 12:55
  Through
• 12:55
  it,
• 12:57
  the
• 12:58
  light
• 12:58
  gets
• 12:58
  refracted
• 13:00
  in
• 13:00
  different
• 13:00
  directions
• 13:01
  depending
• 13:02
  on
• 13:02
  its
• 13:02
  wavelength.
• 13:03
  And
• 13:04
  so
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  can
• 13:05
  see
• 13:05
  out
• 13:05
  of
• 13:05
  different
• 13:06
  facets,
• 13:07
  blue
• 13:07
  or
• 13:08
  green
• 13:08
  or
• 13:08
  red
• 13:09
  or
• 13:09
  magenta
• 13:10
  or
• 13:10
  whatever
• 13:10
  those
• 13:11
  colors.
• 13:11
  And
• 13:12
  we
• 13:12
  know
• 13:12
  how
• 13:13
  that
• 13:13
  light
• 13:13
  can
• 13:13
  get
• 13:14
  diffracted
• 13:14
  in
• 13:15
  that
• 13:15
  way.
• 13:15
  We
• 13:15
  have
• 13:16
  some
• 13:16
  explanation.
• 13:17
  Consciousness,
• 13:19
  which
• 13:19
  is
• 13:20
  everything.
• 13:22
  There's
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  void
• 13:24
  and
• 13:24
  then
• 13:24
  there's
• 13:25
  being
• 13:26
  arising.
• 13:27
  We'll
• 13:28
  call
• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  consciousness.
• 13:29
  That's
• 13:29
  a
• 13:30
  word
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  use.
• 13:32
  It
• 13:32
  turns
• 13:33
  out
• 13:33
  when
• 13:33
  we
• 13:34
  think
• 13:34
  about
• 13:35
  enlightenment
• 13:35
  or
• 13:36
  awakening
• 13:36
  and
• 13:37
  so
• 13:37
  forth,
• 13:39
  that
• 13:39
  people
• 13:39
  who
• 13:40
  meditate
• 13:40
  or
• 13:41
  do
• 13:41
  some
• 13:41
  form
• 13:42
  of
• 13:42
  spiritual
• 13:42
  practice
• 13:43
  or
• 13:43
  have
• 13:43
  some
• 13:44
  spontaneous
• 13:44
  awakening,
• 13:46
  they
• 13:46
  usually
• 13:48
  return
• 13:49
  to
• 13:50
  an
• 13:51
  experience
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  is
• 13:53
  both.
• 13:54
  It
• 13:54
  could
• 13:54
  be
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  experience
• 13:55
  of
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  oneness
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  all
• 13:56
  things
• 13:57
  or
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  emptiness
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  all
• 13:58
  things,
• 13:59
  but
• 14:00
  usually
• 14:01
  it's
• 14:01
  flavored
• 14:03
  in
• 14:03
  a
• 14:03
  particular
• 14:04
  way
• 14:05
  so
• 14:05
  that
• 14:05
  that
• 14:06
  experience
• 14:06
  of
• 14:07
  awakening
• 14:08
  can
• 14:08
  be
• 14:09
  felt
• 14:09
  as
• 14:11
  universal
• 14:11
  love.
• 14:13
  That
• 14:13
  everything
• 14:14
  actually
• 14:14
  is
• 14:15
  love,
• 14:15
  because
• 14:16
  consciousness
• 14:17
  is
• 14:17
  everything.
• 14:17
  It's
• 14:18
  one
• 14:18
  thing
• 14:18
  you
• 14:18
  don't
• 14:18
  say,
• 14:18
  oh,
• 14:19
  my
• 14:19
  poor.
• 14:20
  You
• 14:20
  love
• 14:20
  your
• 14:21
  hand.
• 14:21
  You
• 14:21
  don't
• 14:21
  have
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  say
• 14:22
  it
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  it.
• 14:22
  It's
• 14:23
  part
• 14:23
  of
• 14:23
  who
• 14:23
  you
• 14:24
  are.
• 14:24
  You
• 14:25
  love
• 14:25
  it
• 14:25
  because
• 14:25
  it's
• 14:26
  you.
• 14:26
  And
• 14:26
  you
• 14:26
  have
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  experience
• 14:27
  that
• 14:28
  everything
• 14:28
  is
• 14:28
  love.
• 14:30
  Or
• 14:31
  you
• 14:32
  have
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  experience
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  emptiness
• 14:35
  that
• 14:36
  like
• 14:36
  a
• 14:37
  star,
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  dawn,
• 14:38
  a
• 14:38
  flash
• 14:39
  of
• 14:39
  lightning
• 14:39
  in
• 14:39
  a
• 14:40
  summer
• 14:40
  cloud,
• 14:40
  an
• 14:41
  echo
• 14:41
  or
• 14:41
  rainbow
• 14:42
  in
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  dream.
• 14:43
  These
• 14:44
  descriptions
• 14:45
  are
• 14:45
  both
• 14:45
  there
• 14:45
  in
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  Dhammapada
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  in
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  Diamond
• 14:48
  Sutra.
• 14:50
  And
• 14:50
  it
• 14:50
  is
• 14:50
  a
• 14:50
  dream,
• 14:51
  but
• 14:52
  you
• 14:52
  really
• 14:52
  experience
• 14:53
  it.
• 14:53
  I
• 14:54
  mean,
• 14:54
  what
• 14:55
  happened
• 14:55
  to
• 14:55
  2024?
• 14:58
  It
• 14:58
  is
• 14:58
  gone.
• 14:59
  It's
• 15:00
  back
• 15:00
  with
• 15:00
  the
• 15:00
  pyramids
• 15:01
  and
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  dinosaurs.
• 15:02
  What
• 15:03
  happened
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  Y2K?
• 15:04
  Back
• 15:05
  into
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  void.
• 15:05
  What
• 15:06
  happened
• 15:06
  to
• 15:06
  yesterday?
• 15:07
  It's
• 15:08
  gone.
• 15:09
  Things
• 15:09
  come
• 15:09
  trooping
• 15:10
  out
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  emptiness,
• 15:11
  is
• 15:11
  Rumi's
• 15:12
  phrase.
• 15:13
  They
• 15:13
  do
• 15:13
  their
• 15:13
  dance
• 15:14
  in
• 15:14
  the
• 15:15
  eternal
• 15:15
  present
• 15:16
  on
• 15:16
  stage,
• 15:16
  and
• 15:17
  then
• 15:17
  they
• 15:17
  troop
• 15:17
  off.
• 15:18
  And
• 15:18
  you
• 15:19
  start
• 15:19
  to
• 15:19
  see
• 15:19
  that
• 15:19
  it
• 15:20
  is
• 15:20
  really.
• 15:20
  It
• 15:21
  is
• 15:21
  a
• 15:21
  dream.
• 15:21
  It's
• 15:21
  empty.
• 15:22
  It
• 15:23
  comes
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  nothing
• 15:24
  lasts.
• 15:26
  So
• 15:27
  that
• 15:27
  facet,
• 15:27
  there's
• 15:28
  love,
• 15:28
  there's
• 15:28
  emptiness,
• 15:30
  then
• 15:30
  there's
• 15:30
  a
• 15:30
  facet
• 15:32
  of
• 15:32
  perfection.
• 15:34
  And
• 15:34
  you
• 15:35
  actually
• 15:35
  have
• 15:35
  the
• 15:35
  experience
• 15:36
  that
• 15:37
  everything
• 15:37
  is
• 15:38
  perfect,
• 15:39
  just
• 15:39
  as
• 15:39
  is,
• 15:40
  even
• 15:40
  with
• 15:40
  all
• 15:40
  the
• 15:41
  suffering
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  the
• 15:42
  horrors
• 15:42
  in
• 15:42
  the
• 15:42
  world
• 15:43
  alone
• 15:43
  with
• 15:43
  its
• 15:43
  unbearable
• 15:44
  beauty,
• 15:45
  it
• 15:45
  actually
• 15:45
  makes
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  perfection,
• 15:48
  and
• 15:48
  you
• 15:48
  see
• 15:48
  it
• 15:49
  from
• 15:49
  that.
• 15:50
  And
• 15:50
  so,
• 15:50
  depending
• 15:51
  how
• 15:51
  you
• 15:52
  practice
• 15:54
  and
• 15:54
  then
• 15:54
  what
• 15:54
  revelation
• 15:55
  comes
• 15:55
  to
• 15:56
  you,
• 15:56
  you
• 15:56
  can
• 15:57
  make
• 15:57
  a
• 15:57
  Whole
• 15:57
  spiritual
• 15:58
  tradition
• 15:58
  out
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  it.
• 16:00
  My
• 16:01
  tradition
• 16:02
  says
• 16:02
  that
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  fundamental
• 16:03
  truth
• 16:04
  is
• 16:04
  love.
• 16:06
  Well,
• 16:06
  I've
• 16:07
  got
• 16:07
  a
• 16:07
  deeper
• 16:08
  understanding.
• 16:08
  The
• 16:09
  fundamental
• 16:09
  truth
• 16:10
  is
• 16:10
  emptiness.
• 16:12
  And
• 16:12
  then.
• 16:12
  No,
• 16:12
  no,
• 16:12
  the
• 16:13
  fundamental
• 16:13
  truth
• 16:13
  is
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  perfection.
• 16:15
  And
• 16:15
  then
• 16:16
  another
• 16:16
  one.
• 16:16
  No,
• 16:16
  it's
• 16:17
  freedom.
• 16:17
  It's
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  freedom
• 16:18
  to
• 16:19
  inhabit
• 16:19
  this
• 16:20
  world
• 16:20
  as
• 16:20
  a
• 16:21
  dance,
• 16:21
  as
• 16:21
  a,
• 16:21
  you
• 16:22
  know,
• 16:22
  a
• 16:22
  joyful,
• 16:23
  which
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  described.
• 16:24
  And
• 16:25
  then
• 16:25
  people
• 16:25
  make
• 16:25
  their
• 16:26
  little
• 16:26
  spiritual
• 16:27
  houses
• 16:28
  out
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  that
• 16:29
  and
• 16:29
  so
• 16:30
  forth,
• 16:31
  as
• 16:31
  if
• 16:31
  that's
• 16:32
  really
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  last
• 16:34
  word.
• 16:35
  So
• 16:36
  that,
• 16:36
  you
• 16:36
  know,
• 16:38
  kind
• 16:38
  of
• 16:39
  brainwashing
• 16:39
  I
• 16:40
  described
• 16:41
  comes
• 16:41
  from
• 16:42
  one
• 16:42
  of
• 16:42
  many
• 16:43
  houses
• 16:43
  that
• 16:43
  are
• 16:44
  all
• 16:44
  kind
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  touting
• 16:45
  their
• 16:45
  wares
• 16:46
  or
• 16:46
  whatever.
• 16:47
  But
• 16:47
  it's
• 16:47
  also,
• 16:48
  in
• 16:48
  truth,
• 16:49
  it's
• 16:49
  just
• 16:49
  a
• 16:50
  play
• 16:50
  of
• 16:50
  consciousness
• 16:51
  in
• 16:52
  its
• 16:52
  different
• 16:52
  flavors.
• 16:53
  And
• 16:54
  enlightenment
• 16:54
  then
• 16:55
  has
• 16:56
  these
• 16:56
  flavors
• 16:57
  for
• 16:57
  people,
• 16:58
  and
• 16:58
  there
• 16:58
  isn't
• 16:59
  one
• 16:59
  better
• 16:59
  than
• 17:00
  another.
• 17:01
  There
• 17:01
  are
• 17:01
  all
• 17:01
  the
• 17:03
  awakening
• 17:05
  to
• 17:05
  the
• 17:06
  way
• 17:06
  that
• 17:06
  consciousness
• 17:07
  itself
• 17:08
  can
• 17:08
  differentiate
• 17:09
  the
• 17:09
  play
• 17:10
  in
• 17:10
  the
• 17:11
  universe.
• 17:12
  And
• 17:12
  again,
• 17:12
  I'm
• 17:13
  not
• 17:13
  trying
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  sell
• 17:14
  this
• 17:14
  as
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  philosophy.
• 17:16
  This
• 17:17
  is
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  experience
• 17:18
  of
• 17:19
  mystics
• 17:19
  and
• 17:19
  sages
• 17:21
  and
• 17:22
  shamans
• 17:22
  and
• 17:23
  llamas
• 17:24
  and
• 17:24
  swamis
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  mamas.
• 17:26
  It's
• 17:27
  actually
• 17:28
  available
• 17:29
  to
• 17:29
  us
• 17:29
  as
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  human
• 17:30
  experience
• 17:31
  to
• 17:32
  know
• 17:32
  this.
• 17:33
  Yeah.
• 17:34
  And
• 17:34
  you're
• 17:34
  doing
• 17:34
  something
• 17:35
  very
• 17:35
  important,
• 17:36
  Jack,
• 17:36
  which
• 17:36
  is
• 17:37
  you're
• 17:38
  emphasizing
• 17:39
  that
• 17:39
  there
• 17:39
  is
• 17:39
  not
• 17:40
  one
• 17:40
  realization,
• 17:41
  as
• 17:41
  has
• 17:42
  so
• 17:42
  often
• 17:43
  assumed,
• 17:44
  but
• 17:44
  there
• 17:44
  are
• 17:45
  multiple
• 17:45
  realizations,
• 17:46
  multiple
• 17:47
  possibilities,
• 17:47
  and
• 17:48
  that.
• 17:49
  That
• 17:49
  the
• 17:51
  range
• 17:51
  of
• 17:52
  possible
• 17:52
  openings,
• 17:54
  awakenings,
• 17:55
  experiences,
• 17:56
  enlightenments,
• 17:58
  is
• 17:59
  multiple.
• 18:00
  And
• 18:01
  as
• 18:01
  you
• 18:01
  say,
• 18:03
  you
• 18:03
  know,
• 18:03
  people,
• 18:04
  most
• 18:05
  of
• 18:05
  the
• 18:06
  great
• 18:06
  traditions
• 18:07
  are
• 18:07
  founded
• 18:07
  on
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  particular
• 18:09
  version
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  awakening,
• 18:11
  which
• 18:11
  has
• 18:12
  been
• 18:12
  idolized,
• 18:13
  set
• 18:13
  up
• 18:14
  as,
• 18:14
  in
• 18:15
  many
• 18:15
  cases,
• 18:15
  not
• 18:16
  necessarily
• 18:16
  by
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  mystics
• 18:17
  themselves,
• 18:17
  by
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  realizers
• 18:18
  themselves,
• 18:19
  as
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  great
• 18:21
  truth.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  one
• 18:24
  of
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  beauties
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  our
• 18:25
  time
• 18:26
  is
• 18:26
  that
• 18:27
  there
• 18:27
  are
• 18:27
  people
• 18:27
  like
• 18:27
  you.
• 18:28
  And
• 18:28
  we've
• 18:28
  been
• 18:29
  extraordinarily
• 18:29
  privileged
• 18:30
  to
• 18:30
  have
• 18:30
  a
• 18:30
  series
• 18:30
  of
• 18:31
  dialogues
• 18:31
  with
• 18:32
  Hamid
• 18:32
  Ali
• 18:33
  AH
• 18:33
  Almas,
• 18:34
  who
• 18:35
  has
• 18:35
  just
• 18:35
  beautifully
• 18:36
  laid
• 18:37
  out
• 18:38
  a
• 18:39
  map
• 18:39
  of
• 18:39
  the
• 18:40
  varieties
• 18:40
  of
• 18:41
  awakenings
• 18:41
  that
• 18:41
  are
• 18:42
  possible
• 18:42
  for
• 18:43
  human
• 18:43
  beings.
• 18:44
  And
• 18:45
  not
• 18:46
  said
• 18:46
  one
• 18:46
  is
• 18:46
  greater,
• 18:47
  let
• 18:48
  alone
• 18:48
  the
• 18:48
  only
• 18:48
  true,
• 18:49
  true,
• 18:50
  only
• 18:50
  truth.
• 18:51
  But
• 18:51
  rather,
• 18:52
  these
• 18:52
  are
• 18:52
  possibilities.
• 18:53
  And
• 18:54
  what
• 18:55
  a
• 18:55
  gift
• 18:55
  to
• 18:56
  be
• 18:56
  able
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  open
• 18:56
  to.
• 18:57
  So
• 18:57
  thank.
• 18:57
  Yeah,
• 18:58
  thank
• 18:58
  you
• 18:58
  very
• 18:58
  much.
• 18:59
  So
• 19:00
  for
• 19:00
  me,
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  channel
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  the
• 19:05
  inspiration
• 19:06
  is
• 19:07
  more
• 19:07
  than
• 19:07
  anything,
• 19:08
  one
• 19:08
  of
• 19:08
  love.
• 19:11
  And
• 19:12
  when
• 19:12
  I
• 19:12
  was.
• 19:13
  I
• 19:13
  had
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  privilege
• 19:14
  of
• 19:15
  spending
• 19:15
  quite
• 19:15
  a
• 19:16
  bit
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  time
• 19:16
  with
• 19:16
  our
• 19:16
  dear
• 19:17
  friend
• 19:17
  Ram
• 19:17
  Dass
• 19:18
  in
• 19:18
  the
• 19:19
  last
• 19:19
  decades
• 19:20
  of
• 19:20
  his
• 19:20
  life.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:22
  after
• 19:22
  his
• 19:23
  major
• 19:23
  stroke
• 19:24
  20
• 19:24
  years
• 19:25
  ago,
• 19:25
  he
• 19:25
  was
• 19:25
  in
• 19:25
  the
• 19:26
  wheelchair,
• 19:26
  couldn't
• 19:27
  move
• 19:27
  half
• 19:27
  of
• 19:28
  his
• 19:28
  body.
• 19:29
  A
• 19:29
  lot
• 19:29
  of
• 19:29
  pain.
• 19:30
  He
• 19:31
  just
• 19:31
  became
• 19:31
  more
• 19:31
  and
• 19:32
  more
• 19:32
  loving.
• 19:33
  The
• 19:34
  end,
• 19:34
  he
• 19:34
  said,
• 19:34
  I
• 19:34
  love
• 19:35
  everything.
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  love
• 19:35
  the
• 19:36
  clouds
• 19:37
  going
• 19:37
  by
• 19:37
  and
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  people
• 19:38
  who
• 19:38
  visit
• 19:39
  he
• 19:39
  had
• 19:39
  this
• 19:40
  huge
• 19:40
  altar
• 19:40
  in
• 19:41
  his
• 19:41
  room
• 19:41
  that
• 19:42
  had
• 19:42
  every
• 19:42
  kind
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  bodhisattva.
• 19:43
  There's
• 19:44
  Mother
• 19:44
  Teresa
• 19:44
  and
• 19:45
  there's,
• 19:45
  you
• 19:45
  know,
• 19:45
  Swami
• 19:46
  Muktananda
• 19:47
  and
• 19:47
  there
• 19:47
  is,
• 19:48
  you
• 19:48
  know,
• 19:48
  the
• 19:49
  Buddha
• 19:49
  and
• 19:49
  there's
• 19:49
  Hanuman
• 19:50
  and
• 19:51
  there's,
• 19:51
  you
• 19:52
  know,
• 19:52
  some
• 19:52
  Hasidic
• 19:53
  great
• 19:54
  Jewish
• 19:54
  mystic
• 19:55
  and
• 19:56
  whatever,
• 19:56
  and
• 19:56
  there's
• 19:57
  Dick
• 19:57
  Cheney
• 19:58
  and
• 19:58
  Donald
• 19:58
  Trump
• 19:59
  among
• 19:59
  them
• 19:59
  all.
• 19:59
  He
• 20:00
  said,
• 20:00
  I
• 20:00
  love
• 20:00
  them
• 20:00
  all.
• 20:01
  And
• 20:01
  there
• 20:02
  was,
• 20:02
  he
• 20:02
  said,
• 20:02
  and
• 20:02
  I
• 20:02
  love
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  dirty
• 20:03
  carpet
• 20:04
  on
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  floor
• 20:04
  too,
• 20:05
  equally,
• 20:05
  because
• 20:06
  it's
• 20:06
  all
• 20:06
  sacred,
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  know.
• 20:08
  And
• 20:08
  when
• 20:09
  we
• 20:09
  were
• 20:09
  at
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  memorial
• 20:11
  for
• 20:11
  Ram
• 20:12
  Dass,
• 20:13
  his
• 20:14
  close
• 20:14
  friend
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  the
• 20:16
  great
• 20:16
  kirtan
• 20:17
  singer,
• 20:17
  Krishna
• 20:17
  Das
• 20:18
  was
• 20:19
  speaking
• 20:19
  about
• 20:19
  Ram
• 20:20
  Dass
• 20:20
  because
• 20:20
  he'd
• 20:20
  met
• 20:20
  him
• 20:21
  very
• 20:22
  early,
• 20:22
  I
• 20:22
  think
• 20:22
  in
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  late
• 20:23
  60s,
• 20:23
  and
• 20:24
  went
• 20:24
  to
• 20:24
  see
• 20:25
  Ram
• 20:25
  Dass,
• 20:25
  Guru
• 20:26
  Neem
• 20:26
  Karoli
• 20:27
  Bhavik
• 20:27
  became
• 20:27
  his
• 20:28
  guru.
• 20:28
  And
• 20:28
  he
• 20:29
  said,
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  know,
• 20:29
  when
• 20:29
  Ramdas
• 20:30
  came
• 20:30
  back
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  US
• 20:31
  to
• 20:31
  teach,
• 20:31
  his
• 20:32
  guru
• 20:32
  sent
• 20:33
  him
• 20:33
  back
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  teach.
• 20:34
  He
• 20:34
  was
• 20:34
  there
• 20:34
  in
• 20:35
  his
• 20:35
  white
• 20:35
  robes,
• 20:36
  with
• 20:36
  his
• 20:36
  beads
• 20:37
  in
• 20:37
  his
• 20:37
  beard,
• 20:38
  and
• 20:38
  Baba
• 20:39
  Ram
• 20:39
  Dass,
• 20:39
  and
• 20:40
  he'd
• 20:40
  written
• 20:40
  Be
• 20:41
  Here
• 20:41
  now,
• 20:41
  which
• 20:41
  was
• 20:42
  a
• 20:42
  really
• 20:42
  important
• 20:43
  seminal
• 20:44
  work
• 20:44
  that
• 20:45
  era.
• 20:46
  And
• 20:46
  Krishna
• 20:47
  Das
• 20:47
  said
• 20:49
  in
• 20:49
  the
• 20:49
  memorial,
• 20:50
  he
• 20:50
  said,
• 20:51
  Ram
• 20:51
  Dass
• 20:52
  became
• 20:52
  the
• 20:53
  person
• 20:54
  we
• 20:54
  thought
• 20:54
  he
• 20:55
  was
• 20:55
  when
• 20:55
  we
• 20:55
  first
• 20:56
  met
• 20:56
  him.
• 20:57
  And
• 20:57
  I
• 20:57
  thought
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  was
• 20:58
  actually
• 20:58
  a
• 20:59
  very
• 20:59
  moving
• 21:00
  tribute,
• 21:01
  speaking
• 21:01
  about
• 21:02
  ideals
• 21:02
  and
• 21:03
  so
• 21:03
  forth.
• 21:04
  And
• 21:04
  what
• 21:05
  I
• 21:06
  learned
• 21:06
  being
• 21:07
  with
• 21:07
  him
• 21:09
  was
• 21:10
  yet
• 21:10
  another
• 21:11
  level
• 21:11
  of
• 21:11
  loving
• 21:12
  everything.
• 21:13
  I
• 21:13
  mean,
• 21:13
  just
• 21:13
  being
• 21:14
  in
• 21:14
  that
• 21:14
  kind
• 21:14
  of
• 21:14
  loving
• 21:15
  presence.
• 21:15
  And.
• 21:16
  And
• 21:16
  he
• 21:16
  would
• 21:16
  look
• 21:16
  at
• 21:17
  people
• 21:17
  in
• 21:17
  India,
• 21:17
  they
• 21:18
  call
• 21:18
  it
• 21:18
  the,
• 21:19
  the
• 21:19
  glance
• 21:20
  of
• 21:20
  mercy.
• 21:21
  When
• 21:21
  you
• 21:21
  go
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  see
• 21:22
  some
• 21:22
  great
• 21:23
  sage
• 21:24
  or
• 21:24
  guru
• 21:24
  and
• 21:25
  she
• 21:25
  looks
• 21:26
  you
• 21:26
  in
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  eye
• 21:28
  and
• 21:28
  she
• 21:28
  looks
• 21:28
  right
• 21:28
  through
• 21:29
  you,
• 21:29
  she
• 21:29
  says,
• 21:29
  all
• 21:29
  your
• 21:30
  history,
• 21:30
  all
• 21:30
  your,
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  messiness,
• 21:32
  all
• 21:32
  the
• 21:32
  good
• 21:33
  and
• 21:33
  bad
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  your
• 21:33
  life,
• 21:35
  and
• 21:35
  loves
• 21:35
  you
• 21:36
  completely
• 21:37
  just
• 21:37
  as
• 21:37
  you
• 21:38
  are.
• 21:38
  And
• 21:39
  it
• 21:39
  rewires
• 21:40
  your
• 21:40
  DNA
• 21:40
  somehow.
• 21:41
  Oh,
• 21:42
  oh,
• 21:42
  I
• 21:43
  am
• 21:43
  lovable.
• 21:43
  We
• 21:44
  are.
• 21:44
  We're
• 21:45
  in
• 21:45
  this.
• 21:46
  So
• 21:46
  when
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  practice
• 21:47
  these
• 21:47
  days
• 21:50
  and
• 21:51
  I'm
• 21:52
  walking
• 21:52
  down
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  street
• 21:55
  or
• 21:55
  I'm
• 21:55
  going
• 21:55
  into
• 21:56
  an
• 21:56
  office
• 21:57
  to
• 21:57
  meet
• 21:57
  people,
• 21:58
  you
• 21:59
  know,
• 21:59
  or
• 22:00
  I'm
• 22:01
  being
• 22:02
  part
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  some
• 22:02
  community
• 22:03
  that
• 22:04
  I
• 22:04
  might
• 22:04
  work
• 22:05
  in
• 22:05
  or
• 22:05
  something,
• 22:06
  my
• 22:07
  practice
• 22:08
  is
• 22:09
  to
• 22:09
  love
• 22:10
  people.
• 22:11
  And
• 22:11
  then
• 22:12
  if
• 22:12
  there's
• 22:12
  some
• 22:13
  difficulty
• 22:13
  that
• 22:13
  happens,
• 22:16
  should
• 22:17
  such
• 22:17
  a
• 22:17
  thing
• 22:17
  happen,
• 22:18
  or
• 22:19
  I
• 22:19
  myself
• 22:19
  get
• 22:22
  lost
• 22:22
  or
• 22:22
  kind
• 22:22
  of
• 22:23
  into
• 22:24
  what
• 22:24
  I'm
• 22:24
  doing
• 22:24
  or
• 22:25
  something,
• 22:25
  I
• 22:26
  take
• 22:26
  a
• 22:26
  pause
• 22:27
  or
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  see
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  people
• 22:29
  that
• 22:29
  are
• 22:29
  in
• 22:29
  difficulty
• 22:30
  or
• 22:30
  struggling,
• 22:31
  and
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  picture
• 22:32
  them
• 22:33
  all
• 22:34
  in
• 22:35
  kindergarten
• 22:36
  as
• 22:36
  5
• 22:37
  year
• 22:37
  olds
• 22:38
  and
• 22:38
  they
• 22:38
  all
• 22:39
  have
• 22:39
  their
• 22:39
  character
• 22:40
  like
• 22:40
  me.
• 22:40
  We're
• 22:40
  all
• 22:41
  such
• 22:41
  characters,
• 22:42
  but
• 22:42
  there
• 22:42
  is
• 22:43
  an
• 22:43
  original
• 22:43
  innocence
• 22:44
  that
• 22:44
  was
• 22:45
  born
• 22:45
  into
• 22:45
  every
• 22:46
  one
• 22:46
  of
• 22:46
  them.
• 22:46
  And
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  can
• 22:47
  see
• 22:47
  it,
• 22:48
  you
• 22:49
  know,
• 22:49
  and
• 22:50
  you
• 22:50
  can
• 22:50
  see
• 22:50
  that
• 22:51
  little
• 22:51
  girl,
• 22:52
  that
• 22:52
  little
• 22:52
  boy,
• 22:53
  and
• 22:54
  you
• 22:54
  go,
• 22:54
  oh,
• 22:54
  yeah,
• 22:55
  that's
• 22:55
  really
• 22:55
  who's
• 22:56
  in
• 22:56
  there,
• 22:56
  right?
• 22:57
  They
• 22:57
  grew
• 22:57
  up
• 22:57
  and
• 22:58
  they
• 22:58
  doing
• 22:58
  this
• 22:58
  or
• 22:59
  that,
• 22:59
  and
• 22:59
  they
• 22:59
  may
• 22:59
  be
• 22:59
  doing
• 23:00
  something
• 23:00
  bad,
• 23:01
  but
• 23:02
  underneath
• 23:02
  it,
• 23:03
  I
• 23:03
  let
• 23:03
  myself
• 23:04
  see
• 23:04
  who
• 23:04
  they
• 23:04
  are,
• 23:05
  who
• 23:05
  they
• 23:06
  were
• 23:06
  originally
• 23:08
  pure
• 23:09
  and
• 23:10
  innocent
• 23:10
  and
• 23:10
  beautiful.
• 23:12
  And
• 23:12
  that
• 23:12
  becomes
• 23:13
  a
• 23:13
  lot
• 23:13
  of
• 23:13
  my
• 23:14
  practice
• 23:14
  these
• 23:14
  days.
• 23:16
  And
• 23:16
  it's,
• 23:16
  of
• 23:17
  course,
• 23:17
  one
• 23:17
  of
• 23:17
  those
• 23:18
  lenses
• 23:18
  there
• 23:18
  could
• 23:19
  be
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  lens
• 23:19
  of
• 23:19
  emptiness.
• 23:20
  It's
• 23:20
  all
• 23:21
  a
• 23:21
  dream
• 23:21
  or
• 23:22
  a
• 23:22
  perfection
• 23:23
  or
• 23:23
  compassion.
• 23:24
  Another
• 23:25
  lens,
• 23:26
  really,
• 23:26
  to
• 23:26
  not
• 23:27
  avert
• 23:28
  my
• 23:28
  gaze,
• 23:28
  but
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  be
• 23:29
  willing
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  turn
• 23:30
  toward
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  suffering
• 23:31
  and
• 23:32
  hold
• 23:32
  it
• 23:32
  in
• 23:32
  the
• 23:33
  great
• 23:33
  heart
• 23:33
  of
• 23:33
  compassion.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:35
  we
• 23:35
  each
• 23:35
  sort
• 23:35
  of
• 23:36
  find
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  practices
• 23:37
  that
• 23:38
  help
• 23:39
  open
• 23:40
  our
• 23:40
  hearts.
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  mean,
• 23:43
  some
• 23:43
  people
• 23:43
  would
• 23:43
  say
• 23:43
  open
• 23:44
  their
• 23:44
  minds,
• 23:44
  but
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  word
• 23:46
  in
• 23:46
  Sanskrit
• 23:47
  is
• 23:47
  the
• 23:48
  same
• 23:48
  word,
• 23:48
  it
• 23:48
  turns
• 23:49
  out
• 23:50
  your
• 23:50
  heart,
• 23:51
  mind.
• 23:52
  And
• 23:52
  Jack,
• 23:53
  one
• 23:53
  of
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  ways
• 23:53
  you've
• 23:54
  been
• 23:55
  opening
• 23:56
  your
• 23:56
  heart
• 23:56
  mind
• 23:57
  is
• 23:57
  by
• 23:58
  teaching
• 23:59
  an
• 23:59
  organization
• 23:59
  I
• 24:00
  really
• 24:00
  hadn't
• 24:00
  heard
• 24:01
  much
• 24:01
  about
• 24:01
  until
• 24:02
  you
• 24:02
  mention
• 24:02
  it.
• 24:02
  That's
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  Oslo
• 24:03
  Freedom
• 24:04
  Forum,
• 24:04
  where
• 24:05
  whose
• 24:06
  motto
• 24:06
  is
• 24:07
  Challenging
• 24:07
  power
• 24:08
  and
• 24:08
  really
• 24:08
  seems
• 24:08
  to
• 24:09
  bring
• 24:09
  together
• 24:09
  some
• 24:10
  remarkable
• 24:11
  human
• 24:11
  beings.
• 24:13
  Nobel
• 24:13
  Prize
• 24:13
  Peace
• 24:14
  Prize
• 24:14
  winners,
• 24:15
  prisoners
• 24:16
  of
• 24:16
  consciousness.
• 24:16
  Many
• 24:17
  more
• 24:18
  love
• 24:18
  to
• 24:18
  hear
• 24:18
  you
• 24:19
  talk
• 24:19
  about
• 24:19
  that
• 24:20
  and
• 24:20
  what
• 24:21
  you've.
• 24:22
  Any
• 24:22
  observations,
• 24:23
  reflections.
• 24:25
  So
• 24:25
  I'd
• 24:26
  love
• 24:26
  to
• 24:26
  talk
• 24:26
  about
• 24:26
  life.
• 24:27
  Thank
• 24:27
  you
• 24:27
  for
• 24:27
  bringing
• 24:27
  it
• 24:28
  up.
• 24:28
  And
• 24:28
  you
• 24:29
  by
• 24:29
  accident
• 24:31
  made
• 24:31
  a
• 24:31
  little
• 24:32
  malaprope
• 24:33
  or
• 24:33
  something.
• 24:34
  But
• 24:34
  I
• 24:34
  want
• 24:34
  to
• 24:34
  point
• 24:35
  it
• 24:35
  out
• 24:35
  just
• 24:35
  because
• 24:36
  there's
• 24:36
  something
• 24:36
  cool
• 24:36
  about
• 24:37
  it.
• 24:37
  You
• 24:37
  said
• 24:38
  prisoners
• 24:38
  of
• 24:39
  consciousness.
• 24:40
  Okay,
• 24:40
  and
• 24:41
  you,
• 24:42
  you
• 24:42
  meant.
• 24:42
  You
• 24:42
  meant
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  say
• 24:43
  prisoners
• 24:44
  of
• 24:44
  conscience.
• 24:45
  And
• 24:45
  I
• 24:46
  know
• 24:46
  deeply
• 24:48
  your
• 24:48
  bodhisattva
• 24:49
  nature,
• 24:50
  because
• 24:50
  I
• 24:50
  remember
• 24:51
  40,
• 24:52
  50
• 24:52
  years
• 24:53
  ago
• 24:54
  when
• 24:54
  you
• 24:54
  were
• 24:54
  going
• 24:55
  around
• 24:56
  giving,
• 24:57
  among
• 24:57
  other
• 24:57
  things,
• 24:58
  lecturing
• 24:58
  about
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  dangers
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  nuclear
• 25:01
  weapons
• 25:02
  that
• 25:03
  are
• 25:03
  being
• 25:03
  developed
• 25:03
  around
• 25:04
  the
• 25:04
  world
• 25:05
  and
• 25:05
  how
• 25:06
  insanely
• 25:08
  powerful
• 25:08
  and
• 25:08
  destructive
• 25:09
  they
• 25:09
  are.
• 25:10
  And
• 25:11
  then
• 25:11
  you
• 25:11
  had
• 25:11
  this
• 25:11
  incredible
• 25:13
  moment
• 25:13
  in
• 25:13
  your
• 25:14
  lecture
• 25:14
  which
• 25:14
  you
• 25:15
  had
• 25:15
  two
• 25:15
  tin
• 25:16
  pails,
• 25:17
  one
• 25:17
  of
• 25:17
  which
• 25:18
  was
• 25:18
  filled
• 25:18
  with
• 25:19
  some
• 25:19
  thousands
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  little
• 25:20
  BBs,
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  the
• 25:21
  other
• 25:22
  was
• 25:22
  empty.
• 25:22
  And
• 25:23
  he
• 25:23
  said,
• 25:23
  I
• 25:23
  want
• 25:23
  you
• 25:24
  to
• 25:24
  know
• 25:24
  how
• 25:24
  many
• 25:24
  of
• 25:25
  these
• 25:25
  nuclear
• 25:26
  weapons
• 25:27
  are
• 25:27
  being
• 25:27
  stored
• 25:28
  in
• 25:28
  the
• 25:28
  US
• 25:28
  and
• 25:29
  in
• 25:29
  Russia
• 25:29
  and
• 25:30
  in,
• 25:30
  you
• 25:30
  know,
• 25:31
  now,
• 25:31
  North
• 25:31
  Korea
• 25:32
  and
• 25:32
  so
• 25:32
  forth.
• 25:32
  And
• 25:33
  you
• 25:33
  would
• 25:33
  begin
• 25:33
  to
• 25:34
  pour
• 25:34
  it,
• 25:35
  and
• 25:35
  there'd
• 25:35
  be
• 25:35
  this
• 25:36
  loud
• 25:36
  sound
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  these
• 25:37
  metal,
• 25:38
  little
• 25:38
  metal
• 25:38
  bbs,
• 25:39
  by
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  hundreds
• 25:40
  and
• 25:40
  thousands
• 25:41
  pouring
• 25:42
  into
• 25:42
  one
• 25:42
  bucket.
• 25:44
  So
• 25:44
  I
• 25:45
  really
• 25:45
  respect
• 25:46
  you
• 25:46
  as
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  bodhisattva
• 25:47
  activist
• 25:48
  or
• 25:48
  something,
• 25:48
  even
• 25:48
  if
• 25:48
  you
• 25:48
  don't.
• 25:49
  Better
• 25:49
  you
• 25:50
  don't
• 25:50
  call
• 25:50
  yourself
• 25:50
  that.
• 25:51
  But
• 25:51
  anyway.
• 25:52
  But
• 25:52
  I
• 25:52
  love
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  phrase
• 25:53
  prisoners
• 25:54
  of
• 25:54
  consciousness
• 25:55
  as
• 25:55
  well,
• 25:55
  because
• 25:56
  that's
• 25:56
  most
• 25:56
  of
• 25:57
  us,
• 25:58
  right?
• 25:58
  Anyway,
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  Oslo
• 25:59
  Freedom
• 26:00
  Forum
• 26:01
  Trudi
• 26:01
  and
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  were
• 26:02
  invited
• 26:02
  to
• 26:03
  go
• 26:03
  there,
• 26:04
  and
• 26:04
  it
• 26:04
  takes
• 26:04
  place
• 26:05
  in
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  same
• 26:07
  venue
• 26:08
  that
• 26:08
  the
• 26:08
  Nobel
• 26:09
  Peace
• 26:09
  Prize
• 26:09
  has
• 26:10
  given.
• 26:10
  But
• 26:11
  instead
• 26:11
  of
• 26:12
  one
• 26:12
  person
• 26:12
  being
• 26:14
  lauded
• 26:15
  with
• 26:15
  that
• 26:15
  honor,
• 26:16
  they
• 26:17
  bring
• 26:17
  together
• 26:18
  40
• 26:18
  or
• 26:18
  50
• 26:19
  people,
• 26:19
  all
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  whom
• 26:20
  would
• 26:20
  be
• 26:20
  eligible
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  many
• 26:22
  of
• 26:23
  whom,
• 26:23
  as
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  noted,
• 26:24
  have
• 26:25
  been
• 26:26
  imprisoned
• 26:26
  or
• 26:27
  tortured.
• 26:27
  A
• 26:28
  lot
• 26:28
  of
• 26:28
  them
• 26:29
  in
• 26:29
  places
• 26:29
  standing
• 26:30
  up
• 26:30
  for
• 26:30
  justice
• 26:31
  or
• 26:31
  standing
• 26:31
  up
• 26:32
  for
• 26:32
  the
• 26:33
  downtrodden.
• 26:34
  Working
• 26:35
  in
• 26:35
  Venezuela
• 26:36
  against
• 26:36
  the
• 26:37
  dictatorship,
• 26:38
  supporting
• 26:38
  the
• 26:39
  Rohingya
• 26:40
  who
• 26:40
  were
• 26:40
  thrown
• 26:40
  out
• 26:40
  of
• 26:41
  Burma
• 26:41
  in
• 26:42
  terrible
• 26:43
  ways,
• 26:44
  working
• 26:44
  in
• 26:45
  Sudan
• 26:46
  for
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  women
• 26:47
  who
• 26:47
  been
• 26:48
  raped
• 26:48
  or
• 26:48
  tortured
• 26:50
  across
• 26:50
  the
• 26:50
  world.
• 26:51
  Amazing
• 26:53
  people.
• 26:54
  And
• 26:54
  getting
• 26:54
  them
• 26:55
  together
• 26:56
  does
• 26:56
  two
• 26:56
  things.
• 26:57
  First,
• 26:57
  they
• 26:58
  support
• 26:58
  each
• 26:58
  other,
• 26:59
  so
• 27:00
  you're
• 27:00
  not
• 27:00
  alone
• 27:00
  in
• 27:01
  this
• 27:02
  very,
• 27:02
  very
• 27:02
  difficult
• 27:03
  work.
• 27:05
  And
• 27:05
  also,
• 27:06
  it
• 27:06
  raises
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  public
• 27:07
  visibility,
• 27:09
  goes
• 27:09
  out
• 27:09
  on
• 27:09
  all
• 27:09
  kinds
• 27:10
  of
• 27:10
  news
• 27:10
  channels.
• 27:11
  This
• 27:11
  is
• 27:11
  who's
• 27:11
  doing
• 27:12
  what.
• 27:13
  So
• 27:13
  we
• 27:13
  were
• 27:13
  invited
• 27:14
  to
• 27:15
  go
• 27:15
  there
• 27:16
  because
• 27:18
  these
• 27:19
  activists
• 27:20
  know
• 27:20
  how
• 27:20
  to
• 27:20
  do
• 27:21
  outer
• 27:22
  compassion,
• 27:23
  but
• 27:23
  they
• 27:23
  don't
• 27:24
  include
• 27:24
  themselves
• 27:25
  in
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  circle
• 27:26
  of
• 27:26
  compassion,
• 27:27
  and
• 27:27
  they
• 27:27
  burn
• 27:28
  out.
• 27:29
  You
• 27:29
  know,
• 27:29
  they
• 27:30
  lose
• 27:30
  their
• 27:30
  way.
• 27:31
  And
• 27:32
  there
• 27:32
  I'm
• 27:33
  thinking
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  one
• 27:33
  person
• 27:34
  who
• 27:34
  I
• 27:34
  admire
• 27:35
  tremendously,
• 27:36
  who
• 27:36
  we
• 27:36
  started
• 27:37
  to
• 27:37
  work
• 27:37
  with,
• 27:38
  and
• 27:38
  she's
• 27:39
  one
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  the
• 27:39
  most
• 27:39
  celebrated
• 27:40
  environmental
• 27:41
  activists
• 27:42
  in
• 27:42
  Latin
• 27:42
  America.
• 27:43
  And
• 27:44
  in
• 27:44
  her
• 27:44
  20s,
• 27:44
  as
• 27:45
  a
• 27:45
  student,
• 27:46
  she
• 27:46
  organized
• 27:46
  a
• 27:47
  million
• 27:47
  students
• 27:48
  to
• 27:48
  march
• 27:48
  from
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  capital
• 27:49
  of
• 27:49
  one
• 27:49
  of
• 27:50
  these
• 27:50
  countries
• 27:51
  to
• 27:51
  protest
• 27:51
  the
• 27:51
  burning
• 27:52
  of
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  rainforests,
• 27:54
  you
• 27:54
  know,
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  to
• 27:54
  try
• 27:55
  to
• 27:55
  change
• 27:55
  the
• 27:56
  national
• 27:56
  policy
• 27:56
  to
• 27:57
  not
• 27:57
  burn
• 27:58
  and
• 27:58
  cut
• 27:58
  it
• 27:58
  down,
• 27:58
  to
• 27:59
  grow
• 28:00
  cattle
• 28:00
  for
• 28:00
  the
• 28:01
  Chinese
• 28:01
  market,
• 28:03
  but
• 28:03
  to
• 28:03
  preserve
• 28:04
  it.
• 28:06
  What
• 28:06
  happened
• 28:07
  to
• 28:07
  her
• 28:09
  is
• 28:09
  that
• 28:10
  every
• 28:10
  time
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  big
• 28:11
  new
• 28:11
  area
• 28:11
  of
• 28:12
  the
• 28:12
  rainforest
• 28:13
  would
• 28:13
  begin
• 28:13
  to
• 28:14
  burn,
• 28:16
  immediately
• 28:17
  she
• 28:17
  would
• 28:17
  get
• 28:17
  sick.
• 28:20
  And
• 28:20
  I
• 28:20
  remember
• 28:21
  saying
• 28:21
  to
• 28:21
  her,
• 28:21
  you
• 28:22
  know,
• 28:22
  the
• 28:23
  fire
• 28:23
  belongs
• 28:23
  out
• 28:24
  there,
• 28:24
  and
• 28:24
  the
• 28:25
  forest,
• 28:25
  it
• 28:26
  doesn't
• 28:26
  belong
• 28:26
  in
• 28:26
  your
• 28:27
  body.
• 28:28
  And
• 28:28
  here
• 28:28
  are
• 28:29
  some
• 28:29
  practices
• 28:29
  you
• 28:30
  can
• 28:30
  use
• 28:30
  to
• 28:31
  drain
• 28:31
  the
• 28:31
  suffering
• 28:32
  out
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  your
• 28:32
  body,
• 28:33
  to
• 28:33
  sweep
• 28:34
  through,
• 28:34
  to
• 28:34
  bring
• 28:34
  in
• 28:35
  the
• 28:35
  water
• 28:35
  element,
• 28:36
  to
• 28:36
  create
• 28:37
  a
• 28:37
  field
• 28:37
  of
• 28:38
  compassion,
• 28:38
  to
• 28:39
  care
• 28:39
  for
• 28:39
  yourself
• 28:40
  as
• 28:40
  you
• 28:40
  would
• 28:40
  care
• 28:41
  for
• 28:41
  the
• 28:41
  least
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  the
• 28:42
  animals
• 28:42
  in
• 28:42
  the
• 28:43
  forest
• 28:43
  that
• 28:43
  are
• 28:44
  fleeing
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  fire.
• 28:45
  We
• 28:45
  did
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  whole
• 28:45
  series
• 28:46
  of
• 28:46
  practices,
• 28:46
  and
• 28:46
  here's
• 28:47
  an
• 28:47
  altar
• 28:47
  that
• 28:48
  you
• 28:48
  can
• 28:48
  make
• 28:48
  with
• 28:48
  all
• 28:48
  the
• 28:49
  bodhisattvas
• 28:50
  that
• 28:50
  inspire
• 28:50
  you
• 28:51
  in
• 28:51
  each
• 28:51
  day,
• 28:52
  make
• 28:52
  a
• 28:52
  little
• 28:52
  bow
• 28:53
  and
• 28:53
  say,
• 28:54
  would
• 28:54
  you
• 28:54
  help
• 28:55
  me?
• 28:56
  So
• 28:56
  that
• 28:56
  it's
• 28:57
  not
• 28:57
  because
• 28:57
  you
• 28:57
  need
• 28:57
  backup
• 28:58
  and
• 28:59
  it's
• 28:59
  not
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  alone.
• 29:00
  I'm
• 29:00
  going
• 29:00
  to
• 29:00
  save
• 29:00
  the
• 29:01
  rainforest.
• 29:01
  There
• 29:01
  are
• 29:02
  a
• 29:02
  thousand
• 29:02
  generations
• 29:03
  of
• 29:04
  ancestors
• 29:05
  who
• 29:05
  are
• 29:05
  cheering
• 29:06
  you
• 29:06
  on.
• 29:07
  Close
• 29:07
  your
• 29:07
  eyes,
• 29:07
  feel
• 29:08
  this.
• 29:08
  You
• 29:08
  are
• 29:08
  actually
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  product
• 29:09
  of
• 29:10
  that,
• 29:10
  so
• 29:10
  you
• 29:10
  don't
• 29:11
  have
• 29:11
  to
• 29:11
  take
• 29:11
  it
• 29:11
  on
• 29:12
  personally.
• 29:12
  We
• 29:13
  did
• 29:13
  a
• 29:13
  whole
• 29:13
  series
• 29:13
  of
• 29:14
  practices,
• 29:14
  and
• 29:15
  this
• 29:15
  is
• 29:15
  an
• 29:15
  example,
• 29:16
  really,
• 29:17
  of
• 29:17
  working.
• 29:18
  I'm
• 29:19
  about
• 29:19
  to
• 29:19
  teach
• 29:19
  a
• 29:20
  day
• 29:21
  long
• 29:21
  retreat
• 29:21
  at
• 29:22
  Spirit
• 29:22
  Rock
• 29:22
  next
• 29:23
  month
• 29:25
  called
• 29:26
  Inner
• 29:27
  Technology
• 29:28
  for
• 29:28
  Outer
• 29:28
  Technologists.
• 29:31
  And
• 29:31
  it's
• 29:31
  bringing
• 29:31
  together
• 29:33
  leaders
• 29:33
  in
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  Silicon
• 29:34
  Valley
• 29:34
  area,
• 29:35
  especially
• 29:35
  of
• 29:36
  AI
• 29:37
  development
• 29:38
  and
• 29:38
  media
• 29:39
  development
• 29:39
  and
• 29:40
  all
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  other
• 29:40
  kinds
• 29:41
  of
• 29:41
  things
• 29:41
  that
• 29:42
  technology
• 29:42
  is
• 29:43
  doing,
• 29:43
  robotic
• 29:44
  development.
• 29:45
  And
• 29:45
  just
• 29:45
  like
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  Oslo
• 29:47
  Freedom
• 29:47
  Forum,
• 29:48
  which
• 29:48
  I
• 29:48
  invite
• 29:49
  anyone
• 29:49
  who's
• 29:49
  listening
• 29:50
  to
• 29:50
  look
• 29:50
  up,
• 29:51
  to
• 29:51
  join,
• 29:51
  you
• 29:52
  can
• 29:52
  actually
• 29:53
  watch
• 29:54
  the
• 29:54
  main
• 29:54
  gathering,
• 29:55
  which
• 29:55
  happens
• 29:56
  every
• 29:56
  year
• 29:56
  at
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  very
• 29:57
  beginning
• 29:57
  of
• 29:57
  June,
• 29:58
  and
• 29:59
  learn
• 29:59
  so
• 29:59
  much.
• 30:00
  And
• 30:00
  in
• 30:01
  this
• 30:01
  day
• 30:02
  long
• 30:02
  of
• 30:03
  inner
• 30:03
  technology,
• 30:04
  for
• 30:04
  outer
• 30:05
  technologists,
• 30:06
  it's
• 30:06
  very
• 30:06
  much
• 30:07
  the
• 30:07
  same
• 30:07
  thing.
• 30:08
  The
• 30:09
  technology
• 30:09
  that
• 30:10
  we
• 30:10
  develop
• 30:11
  is
• 30:11
  a
• 30:11
  reflection
• 30:12
  of
• 30:13
  our
• 30:14
  psyches,
• 30:14
  of
• 30:15
  our
• 30:15
  minds,
• 30:16
  right?
• 30:17
  And
• 30:17
  we
• 30:17
  see
• 30:17
  it
• 30:17
  in
• 30:18
  social
• 30:19
  media
• 30:19
  and
• 30:19
  we
• 30:20
  see
• 30:20
  it
• 30:20
  in
• 30:20
  the
• 30:21
  way
• 30:21
  AI
• 30:21
  reflects
• 30:22
  us,
• 30:22
  because
• 30:23
  it
• 30:23
  gobbled
• 30:23
  up
• 30:24
  and
• 30:24
  took
• 30:24
  in
• 30:24
  all
• 30:25
  the
• 30:27
  weird
• 30:27
  stuff
• 30:27
  on
• 30:28
  the
• 30:29
  electronic
• 30:30
  field
• 30:30
  of
• 30:31
  humanity
• 30:32
  at
• 30:32
  this
• 30:32
  time,
• 30:33
  and
• 30:33
  it
• 30:34
  ain't
• 30:34
  all
• 30:34
  pretty.
• 30:36
  And
• 30:36
  then
• 30:36
  the
• 30:36
  question
• 30:37
  is,
• 30:37
  how
• 30:38
  do
• 30:38
  you
• 30:38
  maintain
• 30:38
  your
• 30:39
  own
• 30:39
  sanity,
• 30:40
  like
• 30:41
  those
• 30:41
  rainforest
• 30:42
  people
• 30:43
  working
• 30:43
  in
• 30:43
  the
• 30:44
  rainforest,
• 30:44
  of
• 30:44
  developing
• 30:45
  these
• 30:46
  huge
• 30:46
  powerful
• 30:47
  technologies?
• 30:48
  And
• 30:48
  then
• 30:49
  how
• 30:49
  do
• 30:49
  you
• 30:49
  let
• 30:49
  that
• 30:50
  guide
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  principles?
• 30:52
  How
• 30:52
  does
• 30:52
  it
• 30:53
  raise
• 30:53
  the
• 30:53
  question
• 30:54
  of
• 30:55
  what
• 30:55
  really
• 30:55
  matters?
• 30:56
  How
• 30:56
  can
• 30:56
  we
• 30:56
  guide
• 30:57
  the
• 30:57
  technology
• 30:58
  for
• 30:58
  the
• 30:59
  benefit
• 30:59
  and
• 30:59
  the
• 31:00
  benevolence,
• 31:01
  not
• 31:01
  just
• 31:01
  of
• 31:02
  humanity,
• 31:02
  but
• 31:03
  of
• 31:03
  life,
• 31:03
  you
• 31:04
  know,
• 31:04
  in
• 31:04
  all
• 31:05
  its
• 31:05
  forms?
• 31:07
  So
• 31:07
  in
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  way,
• 31:09
  we're
• 31:10
  talking
• 31:10
  about
• 31:10
  the
• 31:11
  Bodhisattva
• 31:12
  again.
• 31:13
  How
• 31:13
  do
• 31:13
  you
• 31:14
  embody
• 31:14
  the
• 31:14
  Bodhisattva
• 31:16
  who
• 31:17
  wants
• 31:17
  all
• 31:18
  beings
• 31:19
  to
• 31:19
  thrive,
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  Bodhisattva
• 31:21
  of
• 31:22
  compassion,
• 31:22
  all
• 31:22
  beings
• 31:23
  to
• 31:23
  be
• 31:23
  relieved
• 31:24
  from
• 31:25
  suffering
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  find
• 31:27
  a
• 31:27
  joy
• 31:28
  and
• 31:28
  graciousness.
• 31:29
  And
• 31:30
  it's
• 31:30
  a
• 31:30
  really
• 31:30
  weird
• 31:30
  thing
• 31:31
  because
• 31:31
  people
• 31:31
  somehow
• 31:32
  mix
• 31:33
  up
• 31:33
  spiritual
• 31:34
  practice
• 31:34
  with
• 31:35
  grim
• 31:35
  duty.
• 31:36
  I
• 31:37
  go
• 31:37
  to
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  gym,
• 31:38
  I
• 31:38
  do
• 31:38
  therapy,
• 31:39
  I
• 31:39
  have
• 31:40
  a
• 31:40
  really
• 31:40
  good
• 31:40
  diet
• 31:41
  and
• 31:41
  I
• 31:42
  make
• 31:42
  myself
• 31:42
  meditate,
• 31:43
  right?
• 31:44
  And
• 31:44
  it's
• 31:45
  not
• 31:45
  that
• 31:46
  it's
• 31:46
  actually
• 31:47
  joyful.
• 31:48
  The
• 31:48
  point
• 31:48
  of
• 31:48
  it
• 31:49
  is
• 31:49
  human
• 31:49
  happiness
• 31:51
  and
• 31:51
  inner
• 31:51
  freedom
• 31:52
  that
• 31:52
  then
• 31:52
  gets
• 31:53
  expressed
• 31:53
  in,
• 31:54
  you
• 31:54
  know,
• 31:55
  your
• 31:55
  activism
• 31:55
  for
• 31:56
  the
• 31:56
  climate
• 31:56
  or
• 31:56
  in
• 31:57
  your.
• 31:57
  But
• 31:58
  you
• 31:58
  want
• 31:58
  to
• 31:58
  have
• 31:58
  joy
• 31:59
  in
• 31:59
  it.
• 31:59
  If
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  go
• 31:59
  to
• 32:00
  a
• 32:00
  refugee
• 32:00
  camp,
• 32:00
  they
• 32:01
  don't
• 32:01
  want
• 32:01
  you
• 32:01
  coming
• 32:02
  in
• 32:02
  depressed.
• 32:03
  They
• 32:03
  have
• 32:03
  enough
• 32:04
  of
• 32:04
  that.
• 32:05
  They
• 32:05
  want
• 32:05
  somebody
• 32:05
  who
• 32:06
  has
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  beauty
• 32:07
  of
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  sacred,
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  know,
• 32:09
  and
• 32:10
  love.
• 32:10
  And
• 32:11
  there's
• 32:11
  that
• 32:11
  wonderful
• 32:12
  book
• 32:12
  by
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  Dalai
• 32:12
  Lama
• 32:13
  and
• 32:13
  Archbishop
• 32:14
  Tutu
• 32:14
  called
• 32:14
  the
• 32:14
  Book
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  Joy.
• 32:15
  They've
• 32:16
  both
• 32:16
  suffered
• 32:16
  immensely
• 32:17
  too.
• 32:18
  Tutu
• 32:18
  in
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  middle
• 32:19
  of
• 32:19
  apartheid
• 32:20
  and
• 32:20
  people
• 32:21
  getting
• 32:21
  killed
• 32:21
  in
• 32:22
  horrible
• 32:22
  ways.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:23
  his
• 32:24
  whole
• 32:24
  movement,
• 32:25
  people
• 32:25
  thrown
• 32:26
  to
• 32:26
  prison
• 32:26
  and
• 32:27
  tortured.
• 32:28
  And
• 32:28
  the
• 32:29
  Dalai
• 32:29
  Lama,
• 32:29
  who
• 32:30
  lost
• 32:30
  his
• 32:31
  country
• 32:32
  on
• 32:32
  his
• 32:32
  watch,
• 32:33
  you
• 32:34
  know,
• 32:35
  and
• 32:35
  the
• 32:35
  temples
• 32:36
  have
• 32:36
  been
• 32:37
  torn
• 32:38
  down,
• 32:38
  the
• 32:39
  sacred
• 32:39
  scriptures
• 32:40
  burned,
• 32:41
  people
• 32:41
  in
• 32:42
  prison,
• 32:42
  he
• 32:42
  said,
• 32:43
  they've
• 32:43
  taken
• 32:43
  so
• 32:44
  much,
• 32:45
  why
• 32:45
  should
• 32:45
  I
• 32:45
  Let
• 32:45
  them
• 32:46
  take
• 32:46
  my
• 32:46
  happiness,
• 32:47
  my
• 32:48
  joy.
• 32:49
  And
• 32:49
  so
• 32:49
  it
• 32:50
  turns
• 32:50
  out,
• 32:50
  as
• 32:50
  Andre
• 32:51
  Gide
• 32:51
  says,
• 32:52
  that
• 32:52
  joy
• 32:53
  becomes
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  moral
• 32:54
  obligation
• 32:55
  in
• 32:56
  this
• 32:56
  world
• 32:57
  for
• 32:57
  us
• 32:58
  to
• 32:58
  actually
• 32:59
  live
• 32:59
  in
• 32:59
  joy
• 33:00
  amidst
• 33:01
  difficulties
• 33:02
  and
• 33:02
  say
• 33:02
  the
• 33:03
  human
• 33:03
  heart
• 33:03
  is
• 33:03
  bigger
• 33:04
  than
• 33:04
  that.
• 33:05
  The
• 33:05
  human
• 33:06
  heart
• 33:06
  is
• 33:06
  big
• 33:06
  enough
• 33:07
  to
• 33:07
  love
• 33:07
  amidst
• 33:08
  all
• 33:08
  of
• 33:08
  this,
• 33:09
  to
• 33:09
  bring
• 33:10
  sweetness
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  joy
• 33:11
  even
• 33:12
  among
• 33:12
  those
• 33:13
  who
• 33:13
  are
• 33:13
  suffering,
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  to
• 33:14
  show
• 33:15
  that
• 33:15
  there's
• 33:15
  another
• 33:15
  way
• 33:16
  of
• 33:16
  being.
• 33:17
  And
• 33:17
  we
• 33:18
  know
• 33:18
  this.
• 33:18
  I
• 33:18
  go
• 33:19
  back
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  Ramdas
• 33:20
  sitting
• 33:20
  in
• 33:20
  his
• 33:21
  wheelchair
• 33:22
  with
• 33:23
  a
• 33:23
  lot
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  illness
• 33:24
  at
• 33:24
  different
• 33:24
  times.
• 33:25
  Infections
• 33:26
  and
• 33:26
  things
• 33:26
  that
• 33:26
  happen
• 33:26
  when
• 33:27
  you're.
• 33:27
  When
• 33:28
  you've
• 33:28
  had
• 33:28
  such
• 33:28
  a
• 33:28
  major
• 33:29
  stroke
• 33:29
  and
• 33:29
  often
• 33:30
  in
• 33:30
  pain.
• 33:31
  And
• 33:31
  a
• 33:31
  friend
• 33:32
  was
• 33:32
  walking
• 33:34
  next
• 33:34
  his
• 33:34
  wheelchair
• 33:36
  as
• 33:36
  Ram
• 33:37
  Dassa
• 33:37
  was
• 33:37
  moving
• 33:37
  and
• 33:38
  said,
• 33:38
  Ram
• 33:38
  Dass,
• 33:38
  are
• 33:39
  you
• 33:39
  in
• 33:39
  pain?
• 33:41
  And
• 33:41
  he
• 33:41
  said,
• 33:41
  yeah.
• 33:43
  And
• 33:43
  he
• 33:43
  said,
• 33:44
  how
• 33:44
  is
• 33:44
  that?
• 33:44
  And
• 33:44
  Ram
• 33:45
  Dass
• 33:45
  looked
• 33:45
  up
• 33:45
  and
• 33:46
  he
• 33:46
  said,
• 33:46
  I
• 33:47
  love
• 33:47
  my
• 33:47
  pain.
• 33:49
  That
• 33:49
  was
• 33:50
  like
• 33:50
  a
• 33:50
  remarkable
• 33:51
  thing
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  say.
• 33:52
  I
• 33:52
  love
• 33:52
  everything.
• 33:54
  I
• 33:54
  love
• 33:54
  this
• 33:55
  sacred
• 33:55
  world.
• 33:58
  Beautiful.
• 33:59
  That's
• 34:00
  quite
• 34:00
  a
• 34:00
  test.
• 34:00
  To
• 34:01
  loved
• 34:01
  one's
• 34:01
  pain
• 34:02
  and
• 34:02
  to
• 34:02
  love
• 34:03
  those
• 34:03
  who
• 34:03
  cause
• 34:03
  pain
• 34:04
  too.
• 34:05
  Yes,
• 34:06
  yes,
• 34:06
  very
• 34:07
  beautiful.
• 34:08
  Jack,
• 34:09
  being
• 34:09
  with
• 34:10
  these
• 34:10
  amazing
• 34:11
  people,
• 34:14
  what
• 34:14
  stands
• 34:15
  out?
• 34:19
  I'm
• 34:19
  getting
• 34:20
  quiet
• 34:20
  and
• 34:20
  reflecting,
• 34:21
  you
• 34:21
  know,
• 34:21
  that's
• 34:22
  what
• 34:22
  I
• 34:22
  get
• 34:22
  paid
• 34:22
  to
• 34:23
  do.
• 34:24
  And
• 34:24
  you're
• 34:25
  good
• 34:25
  at
• 34:25
  it.
• 34:26
  Oh,
• 34:26
  anyway,
• 34:27
  I've
• 34:27
  done
• 34:27
  it.
• 34:29
  They're
• 34:29
  good
• 34:29
  hearts
• 34:31
  that.
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  mean,
• 34:32
  it's
• 34:32
  not
• 34:32
  that
• 34:32
  complicated.
• 34:33
  And
• 34:33
  I've
• 34:33
  been
• 34:33
  with
• 34:34
  teachers
• 34:35
  who
• 34:35
  had
• 34:36
  a
• 34:36
  lot
• 34:36
  of
• 34:36
  spiritual
• 34:37
  power,
• 34:37
  and
• 34:38
  they're
• 34:38
  Shakti
• 34:39
  and
• 34:39
  their
• 34:39
  energy,
• 34:39
  and
• 34:40
  they
• 34:40
  could
• 34:40
  kind
• 34:41
  of
• 34:41
  do
• 34:41
  things
• 34:41
  that
• 34:42
  would
• 34:42
  resonate
• 34:43
  my
• 34:43
  nervous
• 34:44
  system,
• 34:44
  you
• 34:44
  know.
• 34:45
  And
• 34:45
  I've
• 34:45
  been
• 34:45
  with
• 34:45
  other
• 34:46
  lots
• 34:46
  of
• 34:46
  leaders
• 34:47
  with
• 34:47
  a
• 34:47
  lot
• 34:47
  of
• 34:47
  power
• 34:48
  as
• 34:48
  well.
• 34:49
  The
• 34:49
  CEOs
• 34:50
  of
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  top,
• 34:51
  most
• 34:51
  amazing
• 34:52
  companies
• 34:53
  or
• 34:53
  the
• 34:53
  most
• 34:53
  powerful
• 34:54
  companies
• 34:54
  in
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  world,
• 34:55
  and
• 34:55
  politicians
• 34:56
  and
• 34:56
  people
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  different
• 34:57
  kind
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
  power.
• 34:58
  Power
• 34:58
  is
• 34:59
  really
• 34:59
  different,
• 35:01
  and
• 35:01
  it
• 35:01
  has
• 35:01
  its
• 35:02
  place.
• 35:03
  But
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  kind
• 35:04
  of
• 35:05
  greatness
• 35:06
  of
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  Bodhisattva,
• 35:08
  and
• 35:09
  it
• 35:09
  can
• 35:09
  be
• 35:09
  actually
• 35:10
  in
• 35:11
  modest
• 35:11
  ways,
• 35:13
  but
• 35:13
  it's
• 35:13
  a
• 35:14
  greatness
• 35:14
  that's
• 35:16
  really
• 35:16
  a
• 35:16
  greatness
• 35:17
  of
• 35:17
  heart.
• 35:20
  It's
• 35:20
  a
• 35:20
  greatness
• 35:20
  of
• 35:21
  love
• 35:21
  and
• 35:21
  care
• 35:21
  and
• 35:22
  connection.
• 35:23
  And
• 35:24
  you
• 35:24
  feel
• 35:24
  it.
• 35:26
  You
• 35:26
  can
• 35:26
  actually
• 35:27
  feel
• 35:30
  that
• 35:30
  this
• 35:30
  is
• 35:30
  a
• 35:31
  being
• 35:32
  who
• 35:32
  lives
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  the
• 35:33
  consciousness
• 35:34
  of
• 35:34
  love,
• 35:35
  in
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  field
• 35:36
  of
• 35:37
  benevolence
• 35:37
  and
• 35:38
  care.
• 35:39
  And
• 35:40
  that
• 35:40
  is
• 35:40
  a
• 35:40
  great
• 35:41
  power.
• 35:43
  The
• 35:43
  rest
• 35:43
  of
• 35:44
  it,
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  know,
• 35:45
  I've
• 35:45
  had
• 35:45
  a
• 35:45
  lot
• 35:45
  of
• 35:46
  experiences.
• 35:46
  I'm
• 35:47
  sure
• 35:47
  there
• 35:47
  are
• 35:47
  much
• 35:47
  bigger,
• 35:48
  more
• 35:48
  powerful
• 35:48
  ones.
• 35:50
  You
• 35:50
  know,
• 35:51
  power
• 35:51
  is
• 35:51
  just
• 35:52
  power.
• 35:52
  Hitler
• 35:52
  had
• 35:53
  it
• 35:53
  right.
• 35:54
  It's
• 35:54
  power.
• 35:56
  You
• 35:56
  can
• 35:56
  choose
• 35:56
  what
• 35:57
  you
• 35:57
  do
• 35:57
  with
• 35:57
  it.
• 35:58
  But
• 35:58
  love,
• 36:00
  Love
• 36:00
  is
• 36:00
  something
• 36:00
  entirely
• 36:01
  different.
• 36:02
  And
• 36:03
  love,
• 36:03
  in
• 36:03
  these
• 36:03
  cases,
• 36:04
  it's
• 36:04
  the
• 36:05
  people,
• 36:05
  the
• 36:05
  Nobel
• 36:06
  Prize
• 36:06
  winners,
• 36:06
  the
• 36:07
  People
• 36:07
  at
• 36:07
  the
• 36:07
  Oslo
• 36:08
  Freedom
• 36:08
  Forum.
• 36:08
  It
• 36:09
  sounds
• 36:09
  like
• 36:10
  a
• 36:10
  culmination
• 36:11
  of
• 36:12
  lives
• 36:12
  guided
• 36:13
  by
• 36:13
  great
• 36:13
  heart,
• 36:14
  but
• 36:14
  also
• 36:16
  just
• 36:17
  some
• 36:17
  intensity
• 36:18
  or
• 36:19
  dedication
• 36:20
  and
• 36:21
  apparently
• 36:23
  competence
• 36:23
  in.
• 36:24
  In
• 36:25
  manifesting
• 36:25
  that
• 36:26
  heart
• 36:26
  in
• 36:26
  beneficial
• 36:27
  ways.
• 36:28
  Yeah,
• 36:28
  and
• 36:29
  when
• 36:29
  I
• 36:29
  work
• 36:29
  with
• 36:29
  some
• 36:30
  folks,
• 36:31
  you
• 36:31
  know,
• 36:32
  because
• 36:33
  in
• 36:33
  that
• 36:33
  field,
• 36:34
  also
• 36:34
  of
• 36:34
  activists,
• 36:35
  there's
• 36:35
  grief,
• 36:37
  there's
• 36:38
  outrage,
• 36:39
  there's
• 36:40
  anger
• 36:40
  and
• 36:41
  so
• 36:41
  forth.
• 36:43
  And
• 36:43
  I'll
• 36:43
  get
• 36:43
  them
• 36:43
  to
• 36:43
  quiet
• 36:44
  and
• 36:44
  I'll
• 36:44
  say,
• 36:44
  do
• 36:44
  you
• 36:44
  know
• 36:45
  why
• 36:45
  you're
• 36:45
  so
• 36:45
  angry?
• 36:48
  Do
• 36:48
  you
• 36:48
  know
• 36:48
  why
• 36:48
  there's
• 36:49
  so
• 36:49
  much
• 36:49
  outrage?
• 36:51
  Because
• 36:52
  you
• 36:52
  care
• 36:52
  so
• 36:53
  deeply
• 36:55
  and
• 36:55
  now
• 36:55
  tune
• 36:56
  into
• 36:56
  that
• 36:56
  care,
• 36:57
  and
• 36:57
  all
• 36:57
  of
• 36:57
  a
• 36:58
  sudden
• 36:59
  the
• 36:59
  power
• 36:59
  that
• 37:00
  seems
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  be
• 37:00
  there
• 37:01
  in
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  anger
• 37:02
  or
• 37:02
  the
• 37:02
  outrage
• 37:03
  goes
• 37:04
  to
• 37:04
  a
• 37:04
  deeper
• 37:05
  chord,
• 37:05
  a
• 37:06
  deeper
• 37:06
  channel.
• 37:08
  You
• 37:08
  do
• 37:08
  this
• 37:08
  because
• 37:09
  you
• 37:09
  care,
• 37:12
  and
• 37:13
  that's
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  bodhisattva.
• 37:16
  And
• 37:16
  it
• 37:16
  changes
• 37:17
  how
• 37:17
  they
• 37:18
  work
• 37:18
  and
• 37:19
  how
• 37:19
  they
• 37:19
  treat
• 37:19
  themselves.
• 37:22
  And
• 37:22
  it's
• 37:23
  not
• 37:23
  a
• 37:23
  loss
• 37:23
  of
• 37:24
  power.
• 37:24
  It's
• 37:25
  actually
• 37:25
  the
• 37:25
  deep
• 37:26
  power.
• 37:28
  Beautiful
• 37:29
  and
• 37:29
  particularly
• 37:30
  needed
• 37:31
  at
• 37:31
  this
• 37:31
  time.
• 37:31
  As
• 37:32
  you
• 37:32
  have
• 37:32
  said,
• 37:33
  we're.
• 37:34
  We're
• 37:34
  holding
• 37:35
  hospice
• 37:35
  for
• 37:35
  the
• 37:35
  world,
• 37:36
  as
• 37:37
  said
• 37:37
  in
• 37:38
  some
• 37:39
  very
• 37:39
  beautiful
• 37:40
  and
• 37:40
  touching
• 37:41
  ways,
• 37:42
  that
• 37:42
  we're
• 37:42
  sitting
• 37:42
  at
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  bedside
• 37:43
  of
• 37:43
  a
• 37:43
  dying
• 37:44
  world,
• 37:44
  and
• 37:46
  these
• 37:46
  qualities
• 37:46
  are
• 37:47
  needed.
• 37:48
  Well,
• 37:48
  I'm
• 37:48
  not
• 37:48
  sure
• 37:49
  the
• 37:49
  world's
• 37:49
  dying.
• 37:49
  It's
• 37:50
  just
• 37:50
  the
• 37:50
  human
• 37:50
  constructed
• 37:51
  part
• 37:52
  of
• 37:52
  it.
• 37:52
  I
• 37:53
  think
• 37:53
  the
• 37:54
  world
• 37:54
  is
• 37:54
  totally
• 37:55
  fine,
• 37:55
  baby.
• 37:55
  I
• 37:56
  mean,
• 37:56
  I
• 37:57
  forget
• 37:57
  which
• 37:58
  movie
• 37:58
  I
• 37:58
  was
• 37:58
  watching,
• 37:59
  but
• 37:59
  there
• 37:59
  was
• 37:59
  a
• 37:59
  great
• 38:00
  video
• 38:00
  I
• 38:00
  saw
• 38:01
  of
• 38:02
  New
• 38:02
  York
• 38:02
  City
• 38:02
  when
• 38:03
  all
• 38:03
  the
• 38:03
  humans
• 38:04
  were
• 38:04
  disappeared
• 38:05
  out.
• 38:05
  Maybe
• 38:06
  it
• 38:06
  was
• 38:06
  a
• 38:06
  faux
• 38:07
  rapture
• 38:07
  or
• 38:07
  something
• 38:08
  like
• 38:08
  that,
• 38:08
  but
• 38:08
  they
• 38:08
  were
• 38:09
  gone,
• 38:09
  those
• 38:09
  human
• 38:10
  beings.
• 38:11
  And
• 38:11
  it
• 38:11
  was
• 38:11
  a
• 38:11
  sort
• 38:12
  of
• 38:12
  future
• 38:12
  time
• 38:13
  lapse,
• 38:14
  you
• 38:14
  know,
• 38:14
  and
• 38:15
  in
• 38:15
  five
• 38:15
  or
• 38:15
  ten
• 38:16
  years
• 38:16
  on
• 38:16
  the.
• 38:17
  You'd
• 38:17
  see
• 38:17
  the
• 38:18
  buildings
• 38:19
  started
• 38:19
  to
• 38:19
  crack
• 38:20
  a
• 38:20
  little
• 38:20
  on
• 38:20
  the
• 38:20
  streets.
• 38:21
  You
• 38:22
  know,
• 38:22
  there
• 38:22
  were
• 38:22
  the
• 38:22
  raccoons
• 38:23
  and
• 38:23
  the
• 38:24
  coyotes
• 38:24
  that
• 38:24
  came
• 38:25
  in
• 38:25
  first,
• 38:25
  and
• 38:26
  then
• 38:26
  later
• 38:26
  the
• 38:27
  bears
• 38:27
  returned.
• 38:28
  And
• 38:28
  then
• 38:29
  10
• 38:29
  more
• 38:29
  years
• 38:30
  in
• 38:30
  the
• 38:30
  vines
• 38:31
  and
• 38:31
  the
• 38:31
  tendrils,
• 38:32
  and
• 38:32
  20
• 38:32
  years,
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  you
• 38:33
  could
• 38:33
  see
• 38:34
  the
• 38:34
  building
• 38:34
  starting
• 38:35
  to
• 38:35
  crack.
• 38:35
  And
• 38:36
  it
• 38:36
  was
• 38:36
  all
• 38:36
  returning
• 38:37
  to
• 38:38
  a
• 38:38
  natural
• 38:38
  world
• 38:38
  with
• 38:39
  animals
• 38:40
  and
• 38:40
  plants
• 38:40
  and
• 38:41
  everything.
• 38:41
  The
• 38:42
  only
• 38:42
  pesky
• 38:43
  little
• 38:43
  thing
• 38:44
  missing
• 38:44
  was
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  human
• 38:45
  beings.
• 38:46
  The
• 38:46
  Earth
• 38:46
  is
• 38:47
  fine,
• 38:47
  and
• 38:48
  it's
• 38:48
  gone
• 38:48
  through
• 38:49
  lots
• 38:49
  of
• 38:49
  cycles,
• 38:50
  some
• 38:50
  of
• 38:50
  which
• 38:51
  many,
• 38:51
  many
• 38:51
  species
• 38:52
  die.
• 38:53
  You
• 38:53
  know,
• 38:53
  a
• 38:53
  huge
• 38:54
  asteroid
• 38:54
  or
• 38:55
  some
• 38:55
  giant
• 38:56
  viral
• 38:57
  plague
• 38:57
  or
• 38:57
  something.
• 38:58
  Earth
• 38:58
  knows
• 38:59
  how
• 38:59
  to
• 38:59
  do
• 38:59
  it.
• 39:00
  We
• 39:00
  humans,
• 39:01
  however,
• 39:02
  that's
• 39:02
  the
• 39:02
  question.
• 39:03
  And
• 39:03
  we
• 39:03
  have
• 39:04
  a
• 39:04
  certain
• 39:05
  kind
• 39:05
  of
• 39:05
  consciousness,
• 39:07
  and
• 39:08
  will
• 39:08
  we
• 39:08
  be
• 39:08
  able
• 39:09
  to
• 39:09
  do
• 39:09
  something
• 39:09
  beneficial
• 39:10
  with
• 39:10
  it
• 39:12
  now
• 39:12
  that
• 39:12
  we're
• 39:13
  all
• 39:13
  aware
• 39:14
  that
• 39:14
  we're
• 39:14
  connected?
• 39:15
  Before,
• 39:16
  we
• 39:16
  were
• 39:16
  connected,
• 39:17
  but
• 39:18
  in
• 39:18
  much
• 39:19
  more
• 39:20
  unconscious
• 39:21
  ways.
• 39:21
  We
• 39:21
  could
• 39:21
  feel
• 39:22
  it.
• 39:22
  But
• 39:22
  there
• 39:22
  wasn't
• 39:23
  media
• 39:23
  and
• 39:23
  there
• 39:24
  Wasn't
• 39:24
  electronics
• 39:25
  and
• 39:26
  somebody
• 39:26
  born
• 39:27
  in
• 39:27
  the
• 39:27
  Indian
• 39:28
  subcontinent
• 39:29
  or
• 39:29
  South
• 39:29
  America
• 39:30
  or
• 39:30
  something.
• 39:30
  They
• 39:31
  didn't
• 39:31
  know
• 39:31
  about
• 39:31
  the
• 39:31
  other
• 39:32
  continents
• 39:32
  and
• 39:33
  people.
• 39:33
  They
• 39:33
  just
• 39:34
  knew
• 39:34
  what
• 39:34
  they
• 39:34
  could
• 39:34
  see
• 39:35
  or
• 39:35
  walk
• 39:35
  to
• 39:36
  or
• 39:36
  ride
• 39:36
  a
• 39:37
  horse
• 39:37
  to.
• 39:38
  But
• 39:38
  now
• 39:39
  we
• 39:39
  know
• 39:39
  this,
• 39:40
  right?
• 39:41
  Here
• 39:41
  we
• 39:41
  are.
• 39:43
  I
• 39:43
  forget
• 39:43
  why
• 39:44
  I
• 39:44
  started
• 39:44
  talking
• 39:44
  about
• 39:45
  that,
• 39:45
  actually,
• 39:46
  but
• 39:46
  there
• 39:46
  was
• 39:46
  something
• 39:47
  about
• 39:48
  the
• 39:48
  fact
• 39:48
  that
• 39:48
  not
• 39:49
  only
• 39:49
  can
• 39:49
  the
• 39:49
  Earth
• 39:50
  take
• 39:50
  care
• 39:50
  of
• 39:50
  itself,
• 39:51
  but
• 39:51
  we're,
• 39:52
  as
• 39:52
  you
• 39:52
  say
• 39:53
  we're
• 39:53
  being
• 39:53
  called.
• 39:54
  The
• 39:54
  hospice
• 39:55
  is
• 39:55
  really
• 39:55
  for
• 39:55
  humanity
• 39:56
  and
• 39:57
  not
• 39:57
  the
• 39:57
  Earth.
• 39:58
  And
• 39:59
  we
• 39:59
  messed
• 39:59
  it
• 40:00
  up
• 40:00
  pretty
• 40:00
  far.
• 40:02
  But
• 40:02
  we
• 40:02
  also
• 40:03
  are
• 40:04
  incredibly
• 40:05
  creative,
• 40:07
  incredibly
• 40:08
  creative.
• 40:09
  And
• 40:10
  so
• 40:11
  we'll
• 40:11
  also
• 40:12
  do
• 40:12
  some
• 40:12
  creative
• 40:13
  things
• 40:13
  with
• 40:13
  the
• 40:14
  disaster
• 40:14
  time
• 40:15
  and
• 40:16
  all
• 40:16
  of
• 40:16
  it
• 40:16
  yet
• 40:17
  to
• 40:17
  be
• 40:17
  seen.
• 40:18
  And
• 40:18
  the
• 40:18
  question
• 40:19
  for
• 40:19
  you
• 40:19
  and
• 40:19
  me
• 40:19
  and
• 40:20
  the
• 40:20
  people
• 40:20
  who
• 40:20
  are
• 40:20
  listening
• 40:21
  is,
• 40:23
  what's
• 40:23
  the
• 40:23
  spirit
• 40:24
  that
• 40:25
  we
• 40:25
  lead
• 40:25
  with?
• 40:26
  What
• 40:26
  is
• 40:26
  that,
• 40:28
  Bodhisattva,
• 40:29
  Intention?
• 40:30
  Or
• 40:30
  what's
• 40:31
  your
• 40:31
  best
• 40:31
  intention?
• 40:32
  What's
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  dance
• 40:33
  you
• 40:33
  want
• 40:34
  to
• 40:34
  do,
• 40:35
  you
• 40:35
  know?
• 40:36
  And
• 40:36
  what
• 40:37
  will
• 40:37
  truly
• 40:38
  allow
• 40:38
  you
• 40:39
  to
• 40:39
  live
• 40:39
  from
• 40:39
  the
• 40:40
  best
• 40:40
  of
• 40:40
  your
• 40:41
  heart?
• 40:42
  You're
• 40:43
  bringing
• 40:43
  us
• 40:43
  back
• 40:43
  to
• 40:43
  our
• 40:44
  original
• 40:45
  question,
• 40:45
  Jack,
• 40:46
  of
• 40:46
  what
• 40:47
  you
• 40:47
  know,
• 40:47
  what
• 40:47
  is
• 40:49
  greatness?
• 40:49
  Sounds
• 40:50
  now
• 40:50
  in
• 40:50
  the
• 40:50
  context
• 40:51
  of
• 40:51
  this
• 40:51
  discussion,
• 40:51
  a
• 40:52
  little
• 40:52
  too
• 40:52
  grandiose,
• 40:53
  but
• 40:54
  it
• 40:54
  points
• 40:54
  to.
• 40:56
  Points
• 40:56
  to
• 40:56
  the
• 40:56
  general
• 40:57
  theme
• 40:57
  of
• 40:57
  the
• 40:57
  discussion
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  what
• 40:58
  is
• 40:59
  it
• 40:59
  to
• 40:59
  live
• 41:00
  as.
• 41:01
  To
• 41:01
  live
• 41:01
  as
• 41:02
  fully
• 41:02
  and
• 41:03
  wisely
• 41:04
  as
• 41:04
  we
• 41:04
  can
• 41:05
  as
• 41:05
  these
• 41:05
  fallible
• 41:06
  creatures,
• 41:06
  and
• 41:07
  to
• 41:07
  help
• 41:08
  reduce
• 41:08
  the
• 41:08
  suffering
• 41:09
  in
• 41:09
  both
• 41:10
  ourselves
• 41:10
  and
• 41:10
  others.
• 41:12
  Yeah,
• 41:12
  those
• 41:13
  are
• 41:13
  the
• 41:13
  questions
• 41:13
  at
• 41:14
  the
• 41:14
  end.
• 41:15
  Did
• 41:15
  I
• 41:15
  love
• 41:15
  well,
• 41:17
  Did
• 41:17
  I
• 41:17
  live
• 41:17
  fully?
• 41:20
  Maybe
• 41:20
  did
• 41:20
  I
• 41:21
  learn
• 41:21
  to
• 41:21
  let
• 41:21
  go?
• 41:22
  Because
• 41:22
  otherwise
• 41:23
  you
• 41:23
  get
• 41:23
  a
• 41:23
  crash
• 41:24
  course.
• 41:26
  Yeah,
• 41:27
  that's
• 41:27
  for
• 41:27
  sure.
• 41:28
  Beautiful.
• 41:30
  Beautiful.
• 41:31
  Jack,
• 41:32
  there's
• 41:32
  so
• 41:33
  much
• 41:33
  more
• 41:33
  we
• 41:33
  could
• 41:34
  dialogue
• 41:34
  about,
• 41:35
  but
• 41:35
  I'm
• 41:36
  wondering,
• 41:36
  is
• 41:36
  there
• 41:36
  anything
• 41:37
  you'd
• 41:37
  like
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  add?
• 41:40
  Oh,
• 41:40
  let
• 41:41
  me
• 41:42
  contemplate
• 41:43
  for
• 41:43
  a
• 41:43
  moment
• 41:44
  and
• 41:44
  reflect.
• 41:46
  My
• 41:47
  friend
• 41:47
  Maladoma
• 41:48
  Somme,
• 41:48
  who
• 41:48
  was
• 41:49
  a
• 41:49
  West
• 41:49
  African
• 41:50
  shaman
• 41:51
  and
• 41:51
  medicine
• 41:52
  man
• 41:54
  who
• 41:54
  had
• 41:54
  a
• 41:54
  couple
• 41:54
  of
• 41:54
  PhDs
• 41:55
  from
• 41:55
  the
• 41:56
  Sorbonne
• 41:56
  and
• 41:57
  I
• 41:57
  think
• 41:57
  Michigan,
• 41:58
  whatever.
• 41:59
  He
• 42:00
  said
• 42:00
  that
• 42:01
  every
• 42:01
  child
• 42:02
  that
• 42:02
  was
• 42:02
  born
• 42:03
  among
• 42:03
  the
• 42:04
  Doggera
• 42:04
  people,
• 42:05
  his
• 42:05
  people,
• 42:06
  and
• 42:06
  Burkina,
• 42:10
  was
• 42:11
  believed
• 42:11
  to
• 42:11
  be
• 42:12
  born
• 42:12
  carrying
• 42:13
  a
• 42:13
  certain
• 42:13
  cargo.
• 42:15
  And
• 42:15
  I
• 42:16
  like
• 42:16
  his
• 42:16
  metaphor
• 42:17
  because
• 42:17
  the
• 42:18
  rivers
• 42:18
  of
• 42:18
  West
• 42:18
  Africa
• 42:19
  go
• 42:19
  from
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  ocean
• 42:20
  inland
• 42:21
  all
• 42:22
  along
• 42:22
  that
• 42:22
  coast.
• 42:23
  And
• 42:23
  they
• 42:23
  used
• 42:23
  to.
• 42:24
  I
• 42:24
  mean,
• 42:24
  they
• 42:24
  still
• 42:25
  do
• 42:25
  boat
• 42:25
  supply,
• 42:26
  carrying,
• 42:27
  you
• 42:27
  know,
• 42:28
  everything
• 42:28
  from
• 42:29
  fruits
• 42:30
  and
• 42:30
  food
• 42:31
  to
• 42:32
  fabrics
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  things
• 42:32
  like
• 42:33
  that,
• 42:33
  whether
• 42:33
  it
• 42:33
  was
• 42:33
  a
• 42:34
  dugout
• 42:34
  canoe
• 42:34
  or
• 42:35
  a
• 42:35
  little.
• 42:35
  Or
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  motorboat
• 42:36
  or
• 42:37
  something.
• 42:37
  And
• 42:38
  his
• 42:38
  image
• 42:39
  is
• 42:39
  those
• 42:40
  cargo
• 42:40
  boats.
• 42:42
  He
• 42:42
  said
• 42:43
  that
• 42:43
  your
• 42:44
  purpose
• 42:45
  here
• 42:45
  is
• 42:45
  to
• 42:45
  deliver
• 42:46
  your
• 42:46
  cargo,
• 42:50
  that
• 42:50
  you
• 42:50
  have
• 42:50
  gifts.
• 42:52
  And
• 42:52
  in
• 42:52
  this
• 42:52
  time,
• 42:53
  people
• 42:53
  are
• 42:53
  sort
• 42:54
  of
• 42:54
  stymied.
• 42:54
  Wow,
• 42:55
  what
• 42:55
  do
• 42:55
  we
• 42:55
  do?
• 42:56
  Or
• 42:56
  us?
• 42:57
  Is
• 42:57
  Shifting
• 42:57
  toward
• 42:59
  autocracy,
• 43:00
  you
• 43:00
  know,
• 43:01
  dictatorship,
• 43:02
  something
• 43:02
  like
• 43:03
  that,
• 43:03
  and
• 43:04
  climate
• 43:04
  change.
• 43:05
  And
• 43:05
  then
• 43:05
  what
• 43:05
  about
• 43:06
  AI,
• 43:06
  which
• 43:06
  is
• 43:07
  going
• 43:07
  to
• 43:07
  change
• 43:08
  everything
• 43:09
  in
• 43:09
  ways
• 43:09
  we
• 43:09
  can't
• 43:10
  imagine.
• 43:12
  You
• 43:12
  need
• 43:13
  to
• 43:13
  get
• 43:13
  quiet
• 43:15
  and
• 43:15
  kind
• 43:15
  of
• 43:15
  listen
• 43:16
  for
• 43:16
  your
• 43:16
  particular
• 43:17
  gift.
• 43:19
  What
• 43:20
  is
• 43:20
  it
• 43:20
  that
• 43:20
  you
• 43:21
  have
• 43:22
  to
• 43:23
  deliver?
• 43:24
  And
• 43:25
  sometimes
• 43:25
  it
• 43:25
  will
• 43:25
  be
• 43:26
  a
• 43:26
  smile
• 43:27
  in
• 43:27
  a
• 43:27
  really
• 43:27
  tough
• 43:28
  circumstance
• 43:28
  for
• 43:29
  humans.
• 43:29
  Sometimes
• 43:30
  it'll
• 43:30
  be
• 43:31
  politically
• 43:32
  organizing
• 43:33
  or
• 43:33
  being
• 43:33
  out
• 43:33
  on
• 43:33
  the
• 43:34
  street.
• 43:35
  Sometimes
• 43:35
  it
• 43:36
  might
• 43:36
  be
• 43:36
  writing,
• 43:37
  and
• 43:37
  sometimes
• 43:37
  it
• 43:38
  might
• 43:38
  be
• 43:38
  making
• 43:38
  music
• 43:41
  or
• 43:42
  raising
• 43:42
  a
• 43:42
  beautiful
• 43:43
  child
• 43:43
  and
• 43:43
  making
• 43:44
  a
• 43:44
  healthy
• 43:45
  garden
• 43:45
  for
• 43:45
  everybody
• 43:46
  that
• 43:46
  walks
• 43:47
  by
• 43:47
  to
• 43:47
  see.
• 43:51
  Yeah,
• 43:51
  listen,
• 43:52
  what
• 43:52
  is
• 43:53
  the
• 43:53
  cargo
• 43:53
  you
• 43:53
  have?
• 43:54
  Because
• 43:54
  there's
• 43:54
  something
• 43:54
  beautiful
• 43:55
  you
• 43:55
  have
• 43:55
  to
• 43:56
  deliver.
• 43:56
  And
• 43:56
  it
• 43:57
  doesn't
• 43:57
  have
• 43:57
  to
• 43:57
  be
• 43:57
  grandiose.
• 43:59
  No.
• 43:59
  It's
• 43:59
  who
• 44:00
  you
• 44:00
  are.
• 44:01
  Yeah.
• 44:01
  And
• 44:01
  if
• 44:02
  you
• 44:02
  don't
• 44:02
  give
• 44:02
  your
• 44:02
  gifts
• 44:03
  that
• 44:03
  can
• 44:04
  cause
• 44:04
  great
• 44:04
  unhappiness.
• 44:05
  Yes.
• 44:06
  Like
• 44:06
  ungiven.
• 44:07
  It
• 44:07
  just
• 44:07
  kind
• 44:08
  of
• 44:08
  sits
• 44:08
  there
• 44:09
  and
• 44:09
  rots
• 44:09
  in
• 44:09
  your
• 44:10
  heart.
• 44:10
  And
• 44:10
  it
• 44:11
  has
• 44:11
  to
• 44:11
  be.
• 44:12
  There
• 44:12
  has
• 44:12
  to
• 44:12
  be
• 44:12
  that
• 44:13
  gift.
• 44:14
  Yes.
• 44:15
  Yeah.
• 44:15
  And
• 44:16
  there's
• 44:16
  that
• 44:16
  beautiful
• 44:17
  line
• 44:17
  from
• 44:17
  the
• 44:17
  Gospel
• 44:18
  of
• 44:18
  Thomas,
• 44:18
  which
• 44:18
  I'm
• 44:19
  sure
• 44:19
  you
• 44:19
  know
• 44:19
  better
• 44:19
  than
• 44:19
  I
• 44:20
  do,
• 44:20
  John,
• 44:20
  but
• 44:21
  the
• 44:21
  saying
• 44:22
  of
• 44:22
  Jesus,
• 44:22
  if
• 44:23
  you
• 44:23
  give
• 44:23
  what
• 44:23
  is
• 44:23
  within
• 44:24
  you,
• 44:24
  what
• 44:24
  is
• 44:24
  within
• 44:25
  you
• 44:25
  will
• 44:25
  save
• 44:25
  you.
• 44:26
  If
• 44:26
  you
• 44:26
  bring
• 44:26
  forth
• 44:27
  what
• 44:27
  is
• 44:27
  within
• 44:27
  you,
• 44:28
  what
• 44:28
  is
• 44:28
  within
• 44:29
  you
• 44:29
  will
• 44:29
  save
• 44:29
  you.
• 44:30
  If
• 44:30
  you
• 44:30
  do
• 44:30
  not
• 44:30
  bring
• 44:31
  forth
• 44:31
  what
• 44:31
  is
• 44:31
  within
• 44:32
  you,
• 44:32
  what
• 44:32
  is
• 44:33
  within
• 44:33
  you
• 44:33
  will
• 44:34
  kill
• 44:34
  you.
• 44:35
  That's
• 44:35
  a
• 44:35
  very,
• 44:35
  very
• 44:36
  powerful
• 44:37
  statement.
• 44:38
  Yeah.
• 44:39
  Yeah.
• 44:40
  Well,
• 44:40
  human
• 44:41
  beings,
• 44:41
  it's
• 44:42
  tough.
• 44:43
  My
• 44:43
  Zen
• 44:44
  teacher,
• 44:44
  Seung
• 44:45
  Sahn
• 44:45
  Sanim
• 44:46
  used
• 44:46
  to
• 44:46
  say,
• 44:46
  oh,
• 44:47
  human
• 44:47
  beings,
• 44:48
  number
• 44:49
  one,
• 44:49
  bad
• 44:49
  animal,
• 44:51
  that's
• 44:52
  for
• 44:52
  sure.
• 44:54
  And
• 44:55
  that's
• 44:55
  true.
• 44:55
  That's
• 44:56
  us,
• 44:56
  too.
• 44:57
  We
• 44:57
  have
• 44:57
  been
• 44:57
  that.
• 44:58
  We
• 44:58
  are
• 44:58
  immensely
• 44:59
  destructive
• 45:00
  and
• 45:00
  immensely
• 45:01
  creative.
• 45:02
  And.
• 45:02
  So
• 45:02
  what
• 45:03
  do
• 45:03
  you
• 45:03
  want
• 45:03
  to
• 45:03
  bring
• 45:04
  to
• 45:04
  the
• 45:04
  game?
• 45:07
  That's
• 45:08
  a
• 45:08
  beautiful
• 45:08
  question.
• 45:10
  And
• 45:11
  one
• 45:11
  of
• 45:12
  the
• 45:13
  themes
• 45:13
  you've
• 45:13
  been
• 45:13
  emphasizing,
• 45:14
  Jack,
• 45:15
  is
• 45:15
  that
• 45:16
  the
• 45:16
  integration
• 45:17
  of
• 45:17
  these
• 45:18
  wonderful
• 45:18
  ideals
• 45:19
  of
• 45:20
  the
• 45:20
  aspiration
• 45:21
  for
• 45:21
  true
• 45:21
  greatness
• 45:22
  in
• 45:22
  the.
• 45:23
  In
• 45:23
  the
• 45:23
  best
• 45:23
  sense
• 45:23
  of
• 45:24
  that
• 45:24
  word.
• 45:24
  Not
• 45:24
  the
• 45:24
  grandiose
• 45:25
  sense,
• 45:25
  but
• 45:26
  the
• 45:26
  best
• 45:26
  sense
• 45:26
  of
• 45:26
  the
• 45:27
  higher
• 45:28
  of
• 45:28
  the
• 45:28
  best
• 45:29
  and
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  fair
• 45:30
  and
• 45:31
  the
• 45:31
  integration
• 45:31
  with
• 45:33
  the
• 45:33
  everyday
• 45:34
  life.
• 45:35
  And
• 45:36
  there's
• 45:36
  a
• 45:36
  beautiful
• 45:37
  final
• 45:38
  Image
• 45:39
  in
• 45:39
  the
• 45:39
  10
• 45:39
  Ox
• 45:40
  Hurting
• 45:40
  Pictures
• 45:41
  which
• 45:41
  portray
• 45:42
  Zen's
• 45:43
  portrayal
• 45:43
  of
• 45:44
  the
• 45:44
  spiritual
• 45:44
  path.
• 45:45
  And
• 45:45
  the
• 45:45
  final
• 45:46
  picture
• 45:47
  is
• 45:47
  of
• 45:48
  this
• 45:48
  person
• 45:49
  just
• 45:49
  wandering
• 45:50
  through
• 45:50
  the
• 45:50
  streets.
• 45:52
  And
• 45:52
  this
• 45:52
  line,
• 45:53
  even
• 45:53
  the
• 45:53
  wisest
• 45:54
  people
• 45:54
  cannot
• 45:55
  find
• 45:55
  them.
• 45:55
  They're
• 45:56
  so
• 45:57
  Living
• 45:58
  just
• 45:58
  so
• 45:59
  humbly
• 45:59
  without
• 46:00
  any
• 46:00
  specialness
• 46:02
  that
• 46:02
  they
• 46:02
  just
• 46:03
  seem
• 46:03
  like
• 46:03
  ordinary
• 46:04
  people.
• 46:05
  As
• 46:06
  Ram
• 46:06
  Dass
• 46:07
  would
• 46:07
  say,
• 46:07
  remember
• 46:08
  your
• 46:09
  sacred
• 46:10
  nature
• 46:10
  or
• 46:11
  your
• 46:11
  Buddha
• 46:11
  nature
• 46:12
  or
• 46:12
  your
• 46:12
  divine.
• 46:13
  Remember
• 46:14
  your
• 46:15
  sacred
• 46:16
  nature
• 46:16
  and
• 46:17
  your
• 46:17
  Social
• 46:17
  Security
• 46:18
  number.
• 46:23
  So
• 46:23
  here
• 46:23
  we
• 46:23
  are.
• 46:24
  Okay,
• 46:24
  thank
• 46:25
  you.
• 46:25
  Roger.
• 46:26
  Well,
• 46:26
  thank
• 46:26
  you
• 46:26
  so
• 46:27
  much,
• 46:27
  Jack.
• 46:27
  This
• 46:28
  has
• 46:28
  been
• 46:28
  beautiful.
• 46:29
  And
• 46:29
  I
• 46:29
  want
• 46:29
  to
• 46:30
  doubly
• 46:30
  thank
• 46:31
  you
• 46:31
  first
• 46:31
  to
• 46:31
  just
• 46:32
  the
• 46:32
  sheer
• 46:32
  joy
• 46:33
  of
• 46:33
  dialoguing
• 46:34
  with
• 46:34
  you
• 46:35
  and
• 46:35
  having
• 46:35
  this
• 46:35
  conversation,
• 46:36
  having
• 46:36
  you
• 46:37
  share
• 46:37
  so
• 46:38
  beautifully
• 46:38
  from
• 46:38
  the
• 46:39
  heart
• 46:39
  about
• 46:40
  profound
• 46:41
  and
• 46:41
  wonderfully
• 46:42
  ordinary
• 46:43
  questions,
• 46:45
  and
• 46:45
  also
• 46:45
  for
• 46:46
  initiating
• 46:47
  our
• 46:47
  series
• 46:47
  on
• 46:48
  what
• 46:48
  is
• 46:48
  real
• 46:48
  greatness
• 46:49
  at
• 46:49
  a
• 46:49
  time
• 46:49
  when,
• 46:50
  you
• 46:50
  know,
• 46:50
  make
• 46:51
  America
• 46:51
  great
• 46:51
  again
• 46:52
  is
• 46:52
  used,
• 46:52
  being
• 46:52
  used
• 46:53
  in
• 46:53
  not
• 46:54
  so
• 46:54
  skillful
• 46:54
  ways
• 46:55
  to
• 46:55
  really
• 46:55
  come
• 46:56
  back
• 46:56
  to
• 46:56
  the
• 46:56
  question,
• 46:57
  what
• 46:57
  is
• 46:57
  real
• 46:58
  greatness
• 46:59
  is
• 46:59
  a
• 46:59
  real
• 47:00
  gift.
• 47:00
  And
• 47:00
  it's
• 47:00
  been
• 47:02
  just
• 47:02
  wonderful
• 47:03
  to
• 47:03
  play
• 47:04
  in
• 47:04
  this
• 47:04
  way
• 47:05
  with
• 47:05
  you
• 47:05
  and
• 47:06
  have
• 47:06
  this
• 47:06
  kind
• 47:07
  of
• 47:07
  dialogue
• 47:07
  and
• 47:07
  have
• 47:08
  you
• 47:08
  share
• 47:08
  as
• 47:08
  beautifully
• 47:09
  as
• 47:09
  you've
• 47:09
  done.
• 47:10
  Yes.
• 47:11
  Thank
• 47:11
  you,
• 47:11
  Jack.
• 47:11
  I
• 47:11
  feel
• 47:12
  very
• 47:12
  grateful
• 47:13
  and
• 47:13
  blessed
• 47:13
  to
• 47:14
  have
• 47:14
  been
• 47:15
  here.
• 47:16
  Thank
• 47:16
  you
• 47:16
  both.
• 47:17
  Pleasure.
• 47:19
  Thank
• 47:20
  you
• 47:20
  very
• 47:20
  much
• 47:20
  for
• 47:21
  being
• 47:21
  a
• 47:21
  part
• 47:21
  of
• 47:22
  this
• 47:22
  conversation.
• 47:23
  We
• 47:23
  hope
• 47:23
  that
• 47:23
  you
• 47:24
  were
• 47:24
  moved,
• 47:24
  as
• 47:24
  we
• 47:25
  are
• 47:25
  moved,
• 47:25
  being
• 47:25
  part
• 47:26
  of
• 47:26
  it
• 47:26
  ourselves.
• 47:27
  We'd
• 47:27
  also
• 47:27
  like
• 47:28
  to
• 47:28
  say
• 47:28
  that
• 47:28
  this
• 47:28
  is
• 47:29
  being
• 47:29
  funded
• 47:30
  by
• 47:30
  Roger
• 47:30
  and
• 47:30
  myself.
• 47:31
  It
• 47:31
  comes
• 47:31
  out
• 47:31
  of
• 47:31
  our
• 47:31
  pockets.
• 47:32
  So
• 47:32
  if
• 47:32
  you
• 47:32
  would
• 47:32
  like
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  help
• 47:33
  us
• 47:33
  to
• 47:34
  mainly
• 47:35
  to
• 47:35
  get
• 47:35
  this
• 47:35
  podcast
• 47:36
  out
• 47:36
  to
• 47:36
  more
• 47:36
  people,
• 47:37
  because
• 47:37
  the
• 47:37
  bigger
• 47:37
  audience
• 47:38
  have,
• 47:38
  which
• 47:38
  is
• 47:38
  steadily
• 47:38
  growing,
• 47:39
  but
• 47:39
  the
• 47:39
  more
• 47:40
  people
• 47:40
  we
• 47:40
  can
• 47:40
  reach
• 47:40
  and
• 47:40
  the
• 47:41
  more
• 47:41
  marketing
• 47:41
  we
• 47:41
  can
• 47:42
  do,
• 47:42
  the
• 47:42
  more
• 47:42
  positive
• 47:43
  effect
• 47:43
  we
• 47:43
  can
• 47:44
  have
• 47:44
  on
• 47:44
  the
• 47:44
  world.
• 47:44
  So
• 47:45
  we've
• 47:45
  done
• 47:45
  a
• 47:45
  couple
• 47:46
  of
• 47:46
  ways,
• 47:46
  but
• 47:46
  we'd
• 47:46
  like
• 47:46
  you
• 47:47
  to
• 47:47
  buy
• 47:47
  us
• 47:47
  a
• 47:47
  cup
• 47:48
  of
• 47:48
  coffee.
• 47:48
  Very
• 47:48
  simple.
• 47:48
  And
• 47:48
  I
• 47:48
  do
• 47:48
  that
• 47:48
  with
• 47:48
  podcasts
• 47:48
  that
• 47:48
  I
• 47:48
  support
• 47:48
  and
• 47:48
  I
• 47:48
  find
• 47:48
  it's
• 47:48
  very
• 47:48
  satisfying.
• 47:48
  So
• 47:48
  thank
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  for
• 47:48
  your
• 47:48
  help.
• 47:48
  Thank
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  for
• 47:48
  your
• 47:48
  presence
• 47:48
  and
• 47:48
  thank
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  for
• 47:48
  all
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  are
• 47:48
  and
• 47:48
  all
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  do.
• 47:48
  We
• 47:48
  love
• 47:48
  you.