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Dont Judge A House By Its Murder Author Renaii West Murder At The Aphrodisia · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 2: Just you know? I pronounced it Renee Wes or Renee
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  Speaker 2: just the way you know. But Renee is also pretty
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  Speaker 2: so I'll take that.
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  Speaker 1: So then explain the story on that, because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the two of us share something in common, and that
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  Speaker 1: is is that look at the way I spell my
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  Speaker 1: name and then look at the way that you spell
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  Speaker 1: Renee or rene.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, probably no surprise, Renee Wes is a pen name.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I get that, Yep, yep, I totally get that
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because you like classic rock, you and I
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  Speaker 1: are living a lifestyle that many people don't understand because
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  Speaker 2: That's right. You know, great minds think the same way,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, and I want. When I was
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  Speaker 2: coming up with a name, I mean, I was if
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  Speaker 2: I was done being a name I was going to
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  Speaker 2: call myself, I had to like it. And I always
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  Speaker 2: liked the name Renee. And then West is from West
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  Speaker 2: Side Story, It's my favorite movie, and I just thought
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  Speaker 2: Renee West sounded pretty. But I googled Renee West, Ari
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  Speaker 2: and Ee and there's a ton of them, and I thought, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get confused, and I don't want
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  Speaker 2: anybody thinking I'm stealing their identity or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's when I decided I'll come up with the uniques.
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  Speaker 2: I'm spelling. See.
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  Speaker 1: I love that because and the reason why I bring
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  Speaker 1: up the name and put so much importance on it
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  Speaker 1: because I know how listeners are just half heartedly baking
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  Speaker 1: with what we're doing. And the thing is is that
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  Speaker 1: it reminds me of the days when John Moraz or
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  Speaker 1: Jason Moraz got onto the music scene and people were
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  Speaker 1: out there trying to find who is Jason Moraz, not
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  Speaker 1: realizing he has no, I in his name it's m R.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it say whoa and
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  Speaker 1: then people could find him. So when I see I mean,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, I think it's very creative your name.
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  Speaker 1: And again, so kudos to you for creating it and
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  Speaker 1: to basically get it out there to market it because
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  Speaker 1: it is unique, it is memorable, and it's marketable.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, So I mean that's basically what I did.
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  Speaker 1: And how about you, Well, mine is is absolutely a
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  Speaker 1: radio name. You know, back back in the early part
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  Speaker 1: of the nineteen eighties, I wanted to be different. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to go on as Johnny Black or Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: Johnson or anything like that. And it was one of
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  Speaker 1: those where we created a character for my first wife's
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  Speaker 1: book and I said it, well, you know, since it
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  Speaker 1: came for me, I want the name. And so then
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  Speaker 1: I started in radio. But you have no idea how
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  Speaker 1: much radio really tried to get me to not use
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  Speaker 1: it because of the arbitron, because that was back in
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  Speaker 1: the days when you had to write it into into
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  Speaker 1: the diary and people were going Earl Harold Arrow, so
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  Speaker 1: they weren't getting my name right at all. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's probably the reason why when I see a
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  Speaker 1: great name like yours, it's like, okay, what can I
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  Speaker 1: do to help her get her name out there? So
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  Speaker 1: listeners aren't going, oh, it's Freeda, Okay, that's right, that's
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  Speaker 1: what she said. It was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I appreciate the help. I really do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about this book. And first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I am not one who likes to judge a book
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  Speaker 1: by its cover, but I do love looking at a
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  Speaker 1: book cover because I too, am a published author, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that that is the first handshake with a reader.
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  Speaker 1: You got to tell me where if this house exists,
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  Speaker 1: this beach exists, the whole entire persona of just that
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  Speaker 1: cover says, oh my god, I have to go into
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  Speaker 1: this story.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, you know, when you get a
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  Speaker 2: book on pubust, you give them ideas on how you
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  Speaker 2: want the cover, and they got it the first try.
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  Speaker 2: I fell in love with the cover immediately. I you know,
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  Speaker 2: I take ballroom dancing. And I went in and said,
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  Speaker 2: look at the cover they're going to use. Because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I get I pulled up with my phone. That's my
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  Speaker 2: dream house. I will probably never live in that house,
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  Speaker 2: but that is my dream house. And if you tell people,
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  Speaker 2: if I can't live in my dream house and real life,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do it in fiction. And the house
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  Speaker 2: had to be the house was a character in the story,
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  Speaker 2: and so it has to stand out, it has to attract.
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  Speaker 2: And it is on the beach, because I've always loved
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  Speaker 2: those movies where it's on the beach. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have Anned and frankde running around. It's almost eerie,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. It's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 2: private beach, and both the beach and the house is
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  Speaker 2: a character. And if that's the style of housing I like,
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  Speaker 2: I went and do a great deal of research so
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  Speaker 2: I would come up with the correct terms. I learned
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  Speaker 2: more about home construction than when I was remodeling my
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  Speaker 2: own home. And so I'm glad that you people seem
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  Speaker 2: to be appreciating the house. And then the lady, I
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  Speaker 2: just love that. No, she's wearing a toga. The story,
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  Speaker 2: there is a costume party at this house, and and
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  Speaker 2: it is and it's the Greek theme, Roman Greco's thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great Roman or Roman Greco, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of those things. And that's why she's walking on
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  Speaker 2: the beach wearing the toga. Yes, so yeah, and she's walking,
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  Speaker 2: you know, even either she's walking into something bad or
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  Speaker 2: she's just walking on the beach because oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: she survived. You know. You know, either way it could
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  Speaker 2: be interpreted.
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  Speaker 1: So interesting that you say that because you know the
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  Speaker 1: and what what I see is that she's inquisitive. She wants,
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  Speaker 1: she loves the house. She wants to see what's behind
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  Speaker 1: those well lit windows and and that, but she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: realize that there's chaos in there, and that that that
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  Speaker 1: she's going to step into a world that is probably
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  Speaker 1: not going to be something she's used to, but she's
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  Speaker 1: going to go in there and become a part of
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  Speaker 1: the story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh definitely. You know, as I said, the house does
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  Speaker 2: play a part of the story, and it just made
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  Speaker 2: it was a fun story to write. It was, and
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  Speaker 2: I did I got you know, when you write stories,
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  Speaker 2: you do a lot of research. At least I do
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  Speaker 2: because I wanted to be authentive and at least want
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  Speaker 2: it to be authentic to me. And I order a
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  Speaker 2: book on old Hollywood mansions and I got some ideas
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  Speaker 2: on how the house was designed and whatnot from this book.
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  Speaker 2: That was a fun It was a fun book to
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  Speaker 2: go through. And I remember hearing about Pickfair That was
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  Speaker 2: the famous house that Mary Pickford, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: was Douglas Fairbank Juniors that she was married to. And
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  Speaker 2: the you know, early Hollywood was a bit wild, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there weren't a lot of rules of regulations, and it
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  Speaker 2: attracted sort of rebels Hollywood rather, you know, attracted the rebellious,
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  Speaker 2: free spirited type, and apparently there were some outrageous fun
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  Speaker 2: parties there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you give us an angle of that, that California
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  Speaker 1: beach coastline, because when I think of a Tipango Beach
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  Speaker 1: and I see how this this everything is laid out
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  Speaker 1: just in the front cover itself. So now I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: it can't be north of San Francisco because the rocks
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  Speaker 1: and stuff out of the old are a little bit
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  Speaker 1: wider even over there A big sir. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've been in California, but for some reason, this is
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  Speaker 1: a different view of Topango Beach that I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And I don't know if it's an accurate
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  Speaker 2: an accurate portrayal is close enough. I mean I sort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's authentic enough, But I've seen like movies
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  Speaker 2: where San Francisco isn't accurate, or Los Angeles, and so
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  Speaker 2: I understand there's a lot of people that will never
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  Speaker 2: go there and will never say a haha, that isn't right.
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  Speaker 2: But Topanga, I bet people from the Pega and they're
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  Speaker 2: they're an interesting breed to begin with. It's a very
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  Speaker 2: arc I would say, touchy filly community. People like Russ
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  Speaker 2: Hamblin lived there. Dean stock when well I don't know
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  Speaker 2: these names meaning, but they were not They're not the
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  Speaker 2: mainstreamers of the arts. The actors that sort of wore
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  Speaker 2: blue jeans, you know, Cary Grant. Carry Grant was someone
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  Speaker 2: that lives more in the Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 1: Eay. Yeah, see now you're talking about those classic movies
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  Speaker 1: that you enjoy watching too. So now I'm getting a
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  Speaker 1: fuller picture of how you're able to bring a storyline together. Yes, wow,
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  Speaker 1: see and that what does that do for your imagination?
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  Speaker 1: That was the writer? When when you're writing thirty years
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  Speaker 1: after the girls have been together, I mean, I mean
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  Speaker 1: the continuity on that alone, you had to have done
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  Speaker 1: your homework because for there is a way in your
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  Speaker 1: writing that you include me as a reader. And it's
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  Speaker 1: almost like you know, I almost feel like that we
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  Speaker 1: should be a part of the credits as well, because
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  Speaker 1: we're part of the storyline, because you're taking us right
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  Speaker 1: there with you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you. I mean, I really do
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  Speaker 2: hope that people fall in love at least with some
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  Speaker 2: of the characters, right, Yeah, you know, to me, it's
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  Speaker 2: the character, it's the dialogue, it's and I try to
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  Speaker 2: make I try to make lines are if you heard
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  Speaker 2: a line, you knew which character said it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I try to make them kind of unique or you know,
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  Speaker 2: the personalities and then not just the personalities, but how
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  Speaker 2: the personalities work well together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well okay, since you're bringing that up, then
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  Speaker 1: so then when when I read that you don't mind
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  Speaker 1: if your characters step outside the comfort zone, that now
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  Speaker 1: you're really bringing that in. And that's the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: that readers love to write to read about as well,
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  Speaker 1: because they like a little bit of darkness, question, mystery,
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  Speaker 1: and of course suspense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, sometimes life throw them out of their
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  Speaker 2: comfort zone too, and so part of it is how
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  Speaker 2: do they handle it? You know, some handle it with
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  Speaker 2: e some just sort of say love this is life.
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  Speaker 2: Some get their overly dramatic and then you know. And
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  Speaker 2: this what I enjoyed writing about this story because it's you.
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  Speaker 2: As I said, it's a follow up from my first book,
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  Speaker 2: Death by Chaos. I included the husbands more, and I
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed presenting about you know how these three husbands they're
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  Speaker 2: almost like Ricky, Ricky Ricardo and Breden Murse going oh God,
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  Speaker 2: what did our wives do? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean they just kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there loving husbands that just go, oh God, what now?
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  Speaker 2: And you know, in the course it's so easy. Even
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  Speaker 2: the husband of Tasha, you know, is pretty much put
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  Speaker 2: in the blame on Tasha.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, and so but you know, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of love between all of them.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Renee West coming
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  Speaker 1: up next the name of the book Murder at the Aphrodisia.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with Renee West. It really feels like
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  Speaker 1: that they're the real hardcore message here is is friendship,
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  Speaker 1: That there really is something like that that still exists
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  Speaker 1: in this world, and it's found on your pages.
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  Speaker 2: And together they they back each other out and together
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  Speaker 2: they are able to kind of solve a problem and
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  Speaker 2: solve issues. And I like the fact that they brought
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  Speaker 2: different strengths to solving, you know, the chaos, or to
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  Speaker 2: working with the chaos.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the way that you describe the book the characters.
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  Speaker 1: I got to ask you this only because my wife
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  Speaker 1: and I are so guilty of this. It's almost like
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  Speaker 1: that you are like us in the way of watching
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  Speaker 1: Antenna TV, we TV me TV, because I mean, we'll
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  Speaker 1: wake up just to watch Jack Binnie. I'll go to
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  Speaker 1: bed at night watching the old Johnny Carson. Not because
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  Speaker 1: it's nostalgia, It's because I love watching quality writing work.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know I have beene watched I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of old shows. Yes you know. Fortunately I'm
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  Speaker 2: not the morning person. I did get up to call you,
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  Speaker 2: so you know you should be proud anyway. But there
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  Speaker 2: was a wild period here first and was I love Lucy.
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  Speaker 2: Then the Golden Girls on at five o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: I set out to record them every night, and then
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  Speaker 2: somewhere in the afternoon, while just kicking back or folding closed,
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  Speaker 2: I would watch the episode and you know, it's just
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  Speaker 2: again the quality.
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  Speaker 1: So no, is that where your idea then comes from?
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  Speaker 1: When you bring up you know some you know people
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  Speaker 1: have got buried truths and stuff like that, that you
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  Speaker 1: know that in watching the older pictures and movies and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: that there's all one one scene is leading to another,
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  Speaker 1: and is the viewer or the reader, you know, are
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  Speaker 1: they attached enough to sit there and try to figure
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  Speaker 1: it out before you get there. But what you do
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  Speaker 1: is you allow us that time to think about it,
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  Speaker 1: to plan it out, and when we get there, it's like, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So there's like a payoff in the actual connection with
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  Speaker 1: the reader.
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  Speaker 2: I you know what, I call that a satisfying ending,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've And the reason I'm bringing that up
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  Speaker 2: is I recently watched on I think it was brick Box.
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  Speaker 2: I won't name that movie, and I'm getting confused. It
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  Speaker 2: started off, well, it was going to be one of
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  Speaker 2: these mysteries, you know, age old mystery somebody comes back,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and why is he back and everything, and
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  Speaker 2: there was absolutely no conclusion at the end, and they
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  Speaker 2: kind of even acknowledged well, maybe it's just a mystery
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  Speaker 2: that will never see And I was very disappointed. I thought,
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  Speaker 2: like I wasted two hours. I mean, I do you know,
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  Speaker 2: not everything has to be resolved, but I think it
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  Speaker 2: has to be a satisfaction. I think whoever does the
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  Speaker 2: on crime it has to be. It can't be just
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  Speaker 2: uncle George that nobody ever heard of and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden he showed up. There has to be even
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  Speaker 2: some hint that may not have been obvious, but Uncle
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  Speaker 2: George had to have appeared in the book at some point.
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  Speaker 1: So then in reality, you are a word architect in
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  Speaker 1: the way of asking who, what, where, why, when and how?
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  Speaker 1: And if this person suddenly shows up, there's got to
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  Speaker 1: be a pre story. There's got to be some pre
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  Speaker 1: role there so that the reader doesn't go, what the
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  Speaker 1: heck is this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly? You know, it's almost like you don't you
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  Speaker 2: want them to come close to guessing, but not quite
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  Speaker 2: because it's fun for them to be surprised at the end.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you don't want them going, well,
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  Speaker 2: where did that come from? Yeah? Or that doesn't make sense,
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  Speaker 2: And so I do try to make and I also
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  Speaker 2: don't try to take like a character. Let's say Dawn,
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  Speaker 2: who's the intelligent sort of the psychiatry, the psychologists, who's
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  Speaker 2: able to diffuse situation. It would be almost ridiculous if
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden I had her and nobody knew it,
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  Speaker 2: but she had been studying karate and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden she could beat people up. I mean, you know
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  Speaker 2: somewhere that just really wouldn't make sense, and so I
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  Speaker 2: had to The characters need to be they back on
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  Speaker 2: their comfort zones, but they need to be realistic. They
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  Speaker 2: had the same character and so yeah, if I do try,
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  Speaker 2: I do hope that there are these little easter eggs, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. People are following along. Yeah, yeah, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to remember that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I always suggest to readers go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and take that yellow highlighter with you when you read
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  Speaker 1: the book, because you need to highlight us you because
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna go back and you're going to spend more
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  Speaker 1: time looking for that easter egg that you knew you saw,
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  Speaker 1: but you didn't react. But you see, if people would
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  Speaker 1: just highlight when they know something, Oh my god, that's
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  Speaker 1: telling me something.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's a good Yeah, that is a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: What is your writing discipline? I I you know, I
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  Speaker 1: know you said that you're not a morning person. So
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  Speaker 1: when when do you sit down behind that writing instrument
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  Speaker 1: or behind that computer?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I believe it, I know and it's funny. I've
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  Speaker 2: been asked out a lot lately, including my brother, And
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  Speaker 2: in all honesty, I probably am writing a lot when
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  Speaker 2: most people are sleeping. Yes, I will start late at
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  Speaker 2: night and I might write until like four in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I made a point to get a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of sleep before this, but I do. And it's
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  Speaker 2: and it's maybe or the you know, maybe early evenings
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  Speaker 2: what I have found. And I wish I was somebody
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  Speaker 2: who could sit down and just say, oh, I got
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  Speaker 2: a great idea and write for fifteen minutes. It's almost
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  Speaker 2: I need to know I have a few hours. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to be disturbed. I'm not going to be bothered.
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  Speaker 1: What is that feeling like when when you say do
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  Speaker 1: I have a few hours? Because I mean, god, that
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  Speaker 1: would be a wonderful place to be because I usually
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: do in minutes. And but what do I have? What
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: can I get done in ten minutes?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Oh? You are my hero? I mean that is something
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I would like to know do. And so I'm always
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: thinking and i' and if somebody is willing to listen
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to me, I might talk to them about I've got
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: this idea or whatever. But actually sitting down and writing.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And then I also say they were there, the muses
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: there with me, and days that she's not. And if
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: she's not, that's okay. I write. I know it's going
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: to be horrible, but I know what will be rewritten
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: at least any ideas out there, and then the Muse
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: shows up and sometimes boy, I'm on fire.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So then when when this becomes a movie or a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: huge binge watch, and with your love for classic rock,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: are you going to include some power love ballads in it?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, because it seems like that's that's because when
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you're when you're reading the story, you hear music, and
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: it makes me wonder if you didn't have something playing
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: in the background. And because I believe whatever the author
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: is writing with we're going to have it on our end.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: You're transferring that energy to us.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Well, these are you know, the girls went to college
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I would say during the second wave of feminism, the
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: late sixties, early seventies, and I don't know your age,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: for all I'm going to say is, huh, we have
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the best music. We had the we created the best music.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So definitely, I think there would be you know, there
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: would be some Simon and Garfunkels, there would be something
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: see you, yeah, and definitely you know, I mean even
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit of Metallica, you know, any for certain scenes.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta tell you when you bring up
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Simon and Garfunkel, I got to tell you about Simon
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and Stanley or no, it's it's Stanley and Simmons. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you've heard them yet,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: but because they've got the harmony of the birds, they've
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: got it Seals and craft as well as Simon and Garfunkel,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and what it is, it's the two sons of Gene
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Simmons and Paul Stanley. They didn't go the rock out
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the outlet. They've gone the folk rock movement. And when
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you hear them, I swear to you, you're going to
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: sit there and think you have returned to the days
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that you just talked about.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You know, I've heard about it, and I got to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: tell you something. I I personally have never been a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: huge Kiss fan. I like some of the music, but
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not a real fan. But I love Jeene Simmons
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: as Paul Stanley as people. One of my favorite rock
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: biles and I read a lot of them, has always
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: been Paul Stanley, Yes, I yeah, and I love and
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I love interviews with them. Now, Jean's a little more cocky,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and I think Paul reveals his vulnerabilities. Well, the big
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: difference between the two.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: We are on the same page because I have one
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: of his paintings in my living room over the fireplace,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and he and I have talked so many times that
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that I mean, you've got him spot on, because when
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: you sit down and have a conversation with him, it
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is going to be a conversation as if you've known
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: him forever and you're going to be talking about even
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: if it's putting a butter on bread. He'll find some
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: way to say, well, you know, there's a way you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: can artistically listen to that knife as it spreads across
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: that bread, and you're just going, oh my god, just
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: keep talking, just keep talking.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to have to check out the suns
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I've heard. I've heard it gotten together and from what
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I could see, both men, well, they make it clear
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that they were in genus, especially did not live the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: crazy rock style except for women. He admitted it if
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you like women, right, But I mean it looked like
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: they truly love their kids.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yep, they do, they sure do. And you know, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and obviously you've got that kind of a circle around
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you because the way that you write, you can tell
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that you care about anybody who walks into your circle.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And because as readers that that's exactly what we're doing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: We're stepping inside your creative circle.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you know you want them to become part
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: of the stories. I mean I sort of part of
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I tried to create characters that I would want to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: hang out with, yes, that I would find I find interesting.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And sometimes when I have a problem with a book
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: or a movie is that there isn't a character I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: care about. I'm not rooting for somebody, or I won't
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: mention the book. But I read a book and I thought,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't like anybody in this book.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. Yeah, And what you just described
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is exactly if the AI world continues to take over
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you with an authentic touch to your stories, create characters
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: that people can like, hate, be bothered by, be inspired by,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: whereas the AI has no idea what emotion is.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a little scary.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So wow, where can people go to find out more
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: about you? Because I really want them to dive into
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the summer. To me, it's just getting started. And this,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to me is exactly that this is the kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: read that's going to hit a lot of neighborhood book clubs.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you. I do have a website, It's www.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Then Renee West dot com and Renee A. West is
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: spelled like my name R and aii west and if
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it helps, remember west Side's story, if that helps. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: then I do have an Instagram It's at Renee West
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and then X is uh I still want to call
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it Twitter X. That is way too weird? Is that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Renee W and Renee is spelled you know my way
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: R and AII.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I love it. Please come back to this show anytime
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in the future, they will, Oh my god, please because
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I love breaking it down. Because this is the way
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that I envision everything, Renee and that is is that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: listeners have books underneath their beds, inside their garages or
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: up in the attic. They know they've written all their life,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: or they did it as a fourteen year old kid
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and they don't know what to do with it. Well,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I take things like what you share with us and
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: hopefully use that as a set of inspiration. So they
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: can at least just set it free. Just set it free.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a beautiful way of putting it. Yes, it's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: like there's stories inside their heads that they manage to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: get written down. Now, go out into the world, little words,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: out into the world.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yep. Oh my god. I just love where your heart is.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So please come back this show anytime in the future.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Oh. I'd love to thank you.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Will you'd be brilliant today.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, and you as well, which I know you will.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.