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#2128 Late Starter - Mick Hall · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get aid, boys and girls. It's a bloody of
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Speaker 1: you project, it's harps. It's another day in the life
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Speaker 1: of all of us, which is bloody terrific. I wonder
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Speaker 1: how many days we have in a life? What's ten years?
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Speaker 1: Would be three hundred three three and a half thousand times.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot. Seventy thousand, eighty thousand days.
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Speaker 2: T Hi hi, Oh, we have fourteen hundred and fortylation.
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Speaker 2: What that's my calculation?
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Speaker 3: A lot?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, fourteen hundred and forty minutes in a day.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing how quick a day can go and
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Speaker 1: how long a minute can go. Yeah, Like a minute
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Speaker 1: can be fucking forever depending on what you're doing.
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Speaker 2: And I took way too long to realize that saying
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Speaker 2: I would just wish I had another day a week
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Speaker 2: or another hour in the day would not change anything,
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Speaker 2: because I would just do exactly what I'm doing and
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Speaker 2: use it on shit and then complain about it.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the you know, I did this little
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Speaker 1: kind of pseudo study when I was a young PT
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Speaker 1: and the number one reason not excuse, reason, nudge, nudge
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Speaker 1: wink people gave me for not being in shape was
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Speaker 1: that they didn't have the time. I'm like, would have
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with your behavior or habits or fucking
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Speaker 1: willpower or choices or diet or exit. You know, it's like,
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Speaker 1: it's not a me thing, Nicole, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: It's not a me thing. It's a time thing. Or
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Speaker 1: because if it's about time, then I don't have to
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Speaker 1: take responsibility because I'm not in charge of time. You know,
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Speaker 1: times are fixed thing. You know. And then you go, well,
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Speaker 1: it's like people who go on time poor. I go,
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Speaker 1: how are you time poor? You've got the same fucking
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Speaker 1: minutes as everyone else per day, but you've got exactly
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Speaker 1: the same allocation, so your time equal.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've got a thing about time. I've
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Speaker 4: got a bit of a d here about time. What
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Speaker 4: about doctors? Why can't a doctor ever run on time?
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Speaker 4: How can you, day after day have a schedule of
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Speaker 4: people and right from the first appointment you're running late.
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Speaker 1: Now do you want an actual answer or do you
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Speaker 1: just want to vent?
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Speaker 4: I really want to vent being give me an answer
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Speaker 4: to it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the answer is they just don't allocate
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Speaker 1: enough time for the doctor. I think it's the system.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the business model, Like the business model
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Speaker 1: is depending on which place. It's like, we didn't think
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Speaker 1: we'd start here. Fuck, sorry, listeners. I think the business
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Speaker 1: model is, you know, like in some places eight minutes. Well,
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Speaker 1: how on earth can you give any one great care?
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the doctor's fault. I think it's
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Speaker 1: the system. And I think if the doctor's running late,
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Speaker 1: it might ironically be an indication that they care, because
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But although I did do
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Speaker 1: a phone consult the other day because I just needed
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Speaker 1: some blood pressure medication that I take. No everyone on
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Speaker 1: it's not because I'm out of shape, It's because mum
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Speaker 1: and dad's genetics. But start to finish. The whole consult
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Speaker 1: on the phone was three hundred three three and a
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Speaker 1: half minutes. So what is that one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 1: three and ten seconds. I remember getting off going, fuck,
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Speaker 1: that's good money for them. But I think it's like
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Speaker 1: seventy bucks. I'm like they had a win. Yeah that's
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Speaker 1: twenty dollars a minute. That's a good alley rate. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: I got my drugs. You know, a BP's back down,
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Speaker 1: you know, not clutching my chest anymore, didn't have to
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Speaker 1: drive anywhere. But Tiff, how are you?
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Speaker 3: I fabulous? I'm fabulous.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's give us thirty second review. Because you've been away,
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Speaker 1: you've been up north, You're at one of the world's
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Speaker 1: bloody biggest speaking conferences. It was bloody, all the bells
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Speaker 1: and whistles, and you, according to you, were the best
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Speaker 1: and the superstar. It was.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: It's been renamed the Tiff Show. Get the fuck behind me,
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Speaker 1: the rest of you fucking amateurs.
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Speaker 4: Is that true what you were telling us, Tiff?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all of it, apart from being the best,
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Speaker 1: which is it's a burden. I mean, good on you, though,
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Speaker 1: like do it.
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Speaker 3: Though, it's a heavy boad to carry.
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Speaker 1: The funny thing I see is that you're never putting
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Speaker 1: anything on social media. You keep it so low key.
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Speaker 3: Show Wallflower. What can I make?
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Speaker 1: It's the humility that I love. I did a humility
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Speaker 1: workshop on the weekend. By the way, I was the best.
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Speaker 1: How half of our audience is laughing half a gun?
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Speaker 1: Well that doesn't make sense. Did you have a good
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Speaker 1: time though?
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Speaker 3: I really did.
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Speaker 2: I just adore being in the room with people like
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Speaker 2: it gives me so much juries it's a priority of
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Speaker 2: mine now to get to a bare minimum of two
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Speaker 2: if not three yearly big events like that around people
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Speaker 2: that are doing similar thing, Like there's that industry.
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Speaker 3: I did a post about it.
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Speaker 2: I just think that speakers are probably one of the
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Speaker 2: few that can be around their.
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Speaker 3: Peers and genuinely.
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Speaker 2: Want to see people succeed and help people succeed and.
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Speaker 3: Cheer them on.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think that's typical for all industries.
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Speaker 1: Oh definitely not. And I don't think it's even typical
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Speaker 1: for speakers across the board necessarily, Like there's a fair
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Speaker 1: bit of it's like yeah, but if you can mean
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Speaker 1: that environment with a bunch of speakers all there for
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Speaker 1: a very similar reason, it's amazing. And that having somebody
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Speaker 1: who's in your corner. Speaking of speakers, Michael Sedric Haller
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Speaker 1: is going to become a speaker. I'm going to turn
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Speaker 1: him into a fucking megastar because he's got all the
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Speaker 1: bits and pieces, but he's just as lazy as fuck.
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Speaker 1: He's like a fucking four year old in a lolly shop.
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Speaker 1: He's got the attention span of a fucking ferret.
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Speaker 4: So I can't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to wrangle his brain and his life and
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Speaker 1: his stories and his insights and his experience into some
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Speaker 1: kind of product, because I think the illustrated man and
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Speaker 1: a pair of jeens and a T shirt working out
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Speaker 1: might ruffle a few feathers but also share some insights
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Speaker 1: that lots of people would enjoy hearing. That's my theory.
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Speaker 1: And we're getting underway very soon, aren't we, Michael, I
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Speaker 1: think so we are.
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Speaker 4: We are.
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Speaker 1: We're starting weekly coaching Mick and I, which is I
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Speaker 1: made him put on his big boy pants yesterday we
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Speaker 1: had lunch. We spoke about grown up things.
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Speaker 4: Those pants.
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Speaker 1: By the way, can I just side? Oh yeah, I'll
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Speaker 1: look at you. You just pointed to one of his
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Speaker 1: numerous boxing bloody felt in the background, Champion just saying, yeah,
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Speaker 1: keep a lid on it though. Okay, So yesterday Tiff
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Speaker 1: and I tiff. Yesterday, Michael and I went out. Mick
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Speaker 1: and I went out, had we're going to have a coffee.
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Speaker 1: We had a coffee and the lady came up and said,
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Speaker 1: do you want to lunch? I went no, I'm good
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Speaker 1: and he ordered scrambled eggs with chicken, and I went, fuck,
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Speaker 1: how good does that sound? And I don't normally eat lunch,
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Speaker 1: but I'm like, well, it's just protein and a bit
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Speaker 1: of at, and so I ate the scrambled eggs and
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Speaker 1: the chicken, which was backstroking in about a gallon of butter.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't have been any yummier butter, eggs, chicken, salt, pepper.
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Speaker 1: I inhaled that like the fat kid that I was
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Speaker 1: at a birthday party and and it was so How
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Speaker 1: good was it? Mick?
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Speaker 4: I'm still thinking about it before you even mentioned it.
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Speaker 4: That's on my mind.
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Speaker 1: So fucking delicious. I want to go back with it.
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Speaker 1: But we ate that at probably one o'clock. I had
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Speaker 1: zero hunger until nine point thirty last night. Yeah, like
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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, like I didn't feel anyway. Sorry everyone,
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Speaker 1: that's boring, but it's so funny. And it was a
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Speaker 1: relatively small meal, Like it wasn't a huge meal, but
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Speaker 1: it was so calorically dense and so much good stuff. Jeez,
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Speaker 1: I might do that once a week anyway, Enough about that, Mick,
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Speaker 1: how are you?
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Speaker 4: I'm pretty good. I'm full, but I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that took her well. I got to like normal
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Speaker 1: dinner time. I was actually still quite full.
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Speaker 4: You yeah, absolutely same here. And I have to admit
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Speaker 4: that when I was sitting there in that cafe and
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Speaker 4: watching you wolf down that eggs and chicken, I was
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Speaker 4: very very taken aback because I've done many, many, many
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Speaker 4: many over a long period of time, many years. I've
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Speaker 4: done many lunches with you, and I've never seen you
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Speaker 4: actually eat that lunch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I try not to.
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Speaker 4: I'm quite surprised to see that, and I'm quite chuffed
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Speaker 4: because this is one of my meals.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 4: It's funny, you know, as a boxer and a person
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Speaker 4: that's competing all the time, people would be amazed with
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Speaker 4: my doll I mean my diet. I mean that chicken
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Speaker 4: and eggs. I'll have that probably three times a week.
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Speaker 4: I eat passed it virtually every night, and I've got
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Speaker 4: very very very low body fat and I've got good
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Speaker 4: muscle density, and it's just amazing what your body can
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Speaker 4: do and how much it's sort of you know, it
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Speaker 4: can it can thrive on certain foods, and having all
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Speaker 4: that protein was just beautiful, you know, like it just
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Speaker 4: keeps me, keeps me full all day. Yeah, I'm I'm
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Speaker 4: not hanging for something with wishing that it was a
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Speaker 4: bigger meal or anything like that. It just just holds
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Speaker 4: me and I can still train at a pretty high
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Speaker 4: level and you know, expend all my energy and it
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Speaker 4: just gives me everything I need.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean you're super lean and you've got
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Speaker 1: apes of muscle and you're an athlete, so whatever you're doing.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny though people get caught up in like
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Speaker 1: how many calories is in that? Now? Calories matter, of course, yes,
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Speaker 1: But the thing is when you eat something like that,
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Speaker 1: like if I had a had you just reminded me
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Speaker 1: if I had had a sandwich, which I wouldn't, but
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Speaker 1: if I had a sandwich, I would have been hungry
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Speaker 1: three hours later. Yeah for sure. But I literally and
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Speaker 1: when I did eight dinner finally it was half my
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Speaker 1: dinner because I'm like that that shit just just it
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Speaker 1: didn't destroy me because I felt good. But I'm like,
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Speaker 1: oh I could I reckon, I could almost eat one
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Speaker 1: of them a day and I'd be done. Yeah, probably
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Speaker 1: not more, but you know maybe, but yeah, anyway, enough
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Speaker 1: about our lunches. So one of the things I talk
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Speaker 1: about a lot, which everyone not everyone, but I guess
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Speaker 1: a lot of my listeners know, is I'm fascinated with
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Speaker 1: human potential. I'm fascinated with you know, how much of
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Speaker 1: our potential we can tap into, which I did an
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Speaker 1: episode very recently. You know. So there's a thing called
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Speaker 1: the potential capacity gap, and the potential capacity gap is sorry,
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Speaker 1: performance capacity, Sorry everyone, performance capacity. There's a lot of
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Speaker 1: shit in my head anyway. The performance capacity gap is
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Speaker 1: your current level of performance and capacity, I said to
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Speaker 1: you yesterday, Mick, is what you're actually capable of, Like,
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Speaker 1: what is your actual ten out of ten limit potential?
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Speaker 1: Like foot to the floor redlining ten thousand revs? What
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Speaker 1: could you do if you had to do it now?
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Speaker 1: Obviously we can't redline consistently, but we tell ourselves a story.
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Speaker 1: And this is an analogous to all the same as
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Speaker 1: the rate of perceived exertion. We've spoken about a few
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Speaker 1: times in exercise. But I was listening to you yesterday
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Speaker 1: and I was just thinking, it's so fucking amazing knowing
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Speaker 1: your background, which was to say less than ideal is
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Speaker 1: the understatement of the millennium, like you had to Like,
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Speaker 1: if I was trying to turn someone into an athlete
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Speaker 1: and there was a thousand people I had in a queue,
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Speaker 1: I would pick you one thousand, not because of you,
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Speaker 1: not because of your genetics, but because of how fucking
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Speaker 1: abused your body had been and just you know everything,
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Speaker 1: are you know the mentality No, not really, I think
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Speaker 1: the mentality is good, but the ship that you've done
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Speaker 1: to your body and the trauma that it had been
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Speaker 1: through for not a week, but for probably a decade
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Speaker 1: or two, you know, And then thinking about and I
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Speaker 1: want to share this because one it's just an interesting story,
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Speaker 1: and two I like people to go, oh, well, if
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Speaker 1: Mick can do that, or Tiff can do that, or
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Speaker 1: even Harps can do that, who doesn't have great genetics?
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Speaker 1: Then what could I do? Because that's the real question
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Speaker 1: is not what do I think I can do? Because
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Speaker 1: that's really your story about your ability versus what is
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Speaker 1: actually possible for me? If I did everything I can do, really,
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Speaker 1: no bullshit, no excuses, no talking myself down, no limiting,
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Speaker 1: no putting on the emotional and psychological handbrake, no self sabotage.
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Speaker 1: Just if I fucking was fearless and not lazy and proactive,
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Speaker 1: what could I do? And I think that you know,
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Speaker 1: this whole show is about potential and possibilities and performance
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Speaker 1: and so it's a beautiful fit. So that we'll start
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Speaker 1: from that, we'll work back from the end. So for
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Speaker 1: those who don't know you at the minute, this phase
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Speaker 1: of your life. Among other things, you're a boxer. How
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Speaker 1: old are you now?
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Speaker 4: I'm fifty four, about ten fifty five.
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Speaker 1: So you're a competitive boxer, and so you're competing in
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Speaker 1: the masters.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: What titles have you won in the last five years
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Speaker 1: or whatever.
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Speaker 4: I've won a WBL World title, I've won a WBL
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Speaker 4: Asia Pacific super middleweight title. I've won an MBA Australian title,
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Speaker 4: and I've won an MBV Master's Boxing Victoria Victorian title.
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Speaker 1: So you won four titles. By the way, congratulate, it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: When did you start training? Seriously, so fifty four, when
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Speaker 1: did you start training to box? As in, sorry to compete?
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Speaker 1: When you went right, I'd like to have a fight,
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Speaker 1: and let's he's better question. When was your first fight?
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Speaker 4: How old were you my first fight? I was forty nine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. By the way, everyone, I'm not recommending
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Speaker 1: taking up box box. I'd rather you did I'd rather
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Speaker 1: you did something else, just for cognitive function reasons. But
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Speaker 1: and in your first fight. You lost, right, what was that?
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Speaker 1: But did you did you come out of that going
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Speaker 1: fuck this is great or fuck that, I'm never doing
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Speaker 1: that again, or how did you come out of that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's an interesting question, you know, like I
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Speaker 4: came out of that. You know, for me, it was
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Speaker 4: horrendously terrifying. It was really really scary, terrifying. But I
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Speaker 4: was extremely proud of myself for seeing it through. But
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Speaker 4: it was terrifying. And you know, when you do something
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Speaker 4: like that and you go through it and you lose
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Speaker 4: as well, for me, it was it could have been
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Speaker 4: soul destroying. It's certainly as an adult, you know, like
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Speaker 4: a forty nine year old man. I was out in
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Speaker 4: the back of the change rooms and I was crying
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Speaker 4: because it meant so much to me.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing, you know.
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Speaker 4: I felt sort of embarrassed of that, but I was.
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Speaker 4: I was crying because I meant a lot to me,
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Speaker 4: and I had a lot of people telling me and
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Speaker 4: doubting what I was doing and saying, haven't you know,
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Speaker 4: surely this will teach you. You know, what they're trying
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Speaker 4: to say is, surely this will make sure that you
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Speaker 4: don't do it anymore. And me being an addict that's
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Speaker 4: in recovery gone. Well, if you tell me I can't
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Speaker 4: do something and it terrifies me, guess what, I'm actually
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Speaker 4: going to keep doing it. And I had this just
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Speaker 4: this in and knowing that I had to move past
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Speaker 4: something within myself. I didn't know what exactly what that was,
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Speaker 4: but I just knew that I needed to keep going
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Speaker 4: and I had to move past something. I had to
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Speaker 4: settle something within me, in my in my soul, in
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Speaker 4: my psyche. And and like you said, like we let
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Speaker 4: into you know, like there was a lot of trauma
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Speaker 4: and a lot of stuff for my past and a
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Speaker 4: lot of you know, a way of my life where
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Speaker 4: you know, I spent you know, as we know, numerous
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Speaker 4: times in prison, I was around an element where there
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Speaker 4: was a lot of violence and a lot of fear
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Speaker 4: and a lot of control. And you know, and I
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Speaker 4: did a lot of things in my life that I
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Speaker 4: was very shameful of. And you know, one of them,
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Speaker 4: one of them that that sort of I haven't talked
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Speaker 4: about a lot, but sort of sits in there is
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Speaker 4: is that you know, I've got a young daughter that
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Speaker 4: was born when I was seventeen, and you know, I
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Speaker 4: was sort of out of her life at eighteen and
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Speaker 4: she was one, and we didn't really reconnect again until
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Speaker 4: she was twelve, and she's thirty seven now. But for
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Speaker 4: a lot of her life, I mean I basically, through
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Speaker 4: my addiction, I let her go and I didn't chase.
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Speaker 4: I was a child myself, but I just didn't follow
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Speaker 4: up and I just didn't. I let it go, you know.
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Speaker 4: And I've hated myself for that all my life. And
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Speaker 4: then and of course then that got me asking questions
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Speaker 4: within myself at different times, like am I a coward?
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Speaker 4: Am I really a piece of shit? Am I somebody
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Speaker 4: that just folds when things get too difficult? Am I
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Speaker 4: somebody that can't see anything through? Or what have you? So,
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Speaker 4: so all of doubts, without me even knowing it, they
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Speaker 4: sat inside of me for the rest of my addiction career,
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Speaker 4: which thankfully I got clean and sober at thirty. So
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Speaker 4: I'm twenty five years clean and sober, which is amazing.
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Speaker 4: And I lived an amazing life now, thank you, thank
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Speaker 4: you very much. But you know what, it's still left
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Speaker 4: with me. And so I put all the drugs in
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Speaker 4: the alcohol down and that's amazing, it's beautiful. Achievements, and
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Speaker 4: it's great. And I've got two other kids now. My
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Speaker 4: son's twenty five and he's never seen me drink or use,
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Speaker 4: and my other daughter's twenty years old and she's never
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Speaker 4: seen me drink or use. And we've had a beautiful
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Speaker 4: life together. But you know what, there was still that
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Speaker 4: part inside of me that said, are you a coward?
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Speaker 4: It is somebody that can't face up and these questions
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Speaker 4: I needed answered, And are you somebody that runs at
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Speaker 4: the first sign of trouble? I can't see anything through,
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Speaker 4: you know, And losing that first fight for me was
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Speaker 4: the first sign of trouble in that context, and I
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Speaker 4: had to make a decision deep within myself as to
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Speaker 4: am I going to see this through? Am I going
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Speaker 4: to be who I'm meant to be? I want to
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Speaker 4: see who I am. I don't know who I am.
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Speaker 4: At forty nine years old, I don't know who I am.
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Speaker 4: I thought I did, I thought I did many times
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Speaker 4: I didn't know, and now I want proof. I want
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Speaker 4: to understand who I am. So I made a decision
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Speaker 4: that no matter what, no matter how terrified I am,
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Speaker 4: I am going to continue fighting and I will win
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Speaker 4: a title because when I win that title, I can
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Speaker 4: prove to myself nothing to anybody else, don't care what
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Speaker 4: it says to anyone else, but to me, I can
19:53
Speaker 4: prove to myself that I'm not a coward, that even
19:56
Speaker 4: though I went through extreme difficulty and and had to
20:00
Speaker 4: walk through fear, I made it out the other side.
20:04
Speaker 4: And and let's see who's sitting there at the other end,
20:07
Speaker 4: you know, and that was what really important. That's what
20:11
Speaker 4: boxing has been about to me, you know. The whole
20:13
Speaker 4: journey's been about that, you know, and it's just been
20:17
Speaker 4: an absolute pleasure, but in a take in a painful way,
20:25
Speaker 4: an absolute pleasure, you know, to face these fears and
20:29
Speaker 4: to reveal who I truly am.
20:32
Speaker 1: The irony is listening. Feel free to jump in any time, Tift.
20:35
Speaker 1: The irony is for me. Tell me if I get
20:39
Speaker 1: this wrong. But it's almost not about the boxing. The
20:42
Speaker 1: boxing's like a metaphor or the boxings like a pathway
20:49
Speaker 1: to the things that you're really doing. It's like you
20:53
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who you are through this process
20:56
Speaker 1: and your ability to understand your because it's really almost
21:02
Speaker 1: like a self awareness journey of your mind and your
21:07
Speaker 1: emotions and your behaviors and your morality and your values
21:11
Speaker 1: and your purpose, and you learn about yourself. You know,
21:15
Speaker 1: we always talk about learning through adversity, like you don't
21:18
Speaker 1: learn in comfort, like you not that every day has
21:22
Speaker 1: got to be twenty four hours of pain, of course,
21:24
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't build resilience eating fucking chip,
21:27
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch, you know you don't, like you
21:30
Speaker 1: don't you don't build resilience when everybody's doing everything for you.
21:35
Speaker 1: But that that tenacity and that you know that and
21:40
Speaker 1: it can be anything listeners, of course. But another thing
21:43
Speaker 1: that I this is going to sound really weird. I'm
21:47
Speaker 1: glad that you hated yourself about your daughter. You know why.
21:50
Speaker 1: That's a I don't want to hate yourself anymore, but
21:54
Speaker 1: because it shows me that you're not a sociopath, because
21:57
Speaker 1: a sociopath wouldn't care. Yeah, the fact that you cared,
22:02
Speaker 1: Did you let her down? Yep? Were you a kid, yep?
22:06
Speaker 1: Were you addicted and somewhat fucking out of touch with reality?
22:11
Speaker 1: And were you out of yep yep? Doesn't make it okay.
22:15
Speaker 1: But it someone explains it, it doesn't excuse it. It's
22:18
Speaker 1: not a good thing. But that was the practical reality
22:21
Speaker 1: of your life. But then as soon as you got
22:24
Speaker 1: in a space where you were better, you weren't that
22:26
Speaker 1: person doing those things. It's like everything's clear and you're like,
22:32
Speaker 1: so for me, the you know, turned down the self
22:35
Speaker 1: hate now for sure, because it doesn't fix or change anything,
22:38
Speaker 1: but that the fact that you felt guilty, that you
22:42
Speaker 1: felt bad, that you feel that you let it down
22:45
Speaker 1: or whatever. I actually think maybe some other psychology people
22:50
Speaker 1: wouldn't say this. I think it's great because it means
22:54
Speaker 1: that on a deep level, you care. And there was
22:57
Speaker 1: a time there where, I know, the death that you
23:00
Speaker 1: were at, I don't think you could have cared about
23:03
Speaker 1: anything because you were too fucked.
23:06
Speaker 4: Correct, absolutely correct, and you know like this this I
23:11
Speaker 4: love talking about all this stuff.
23:12
Speaker 1: I really do.
23:12
Speaker 4: You know, but this relationship with my daughter, you know,
23:19
Speaker 4: has it's been tested again, you know, like so if
23:23
Speaker 4: I can just go on, I mean we reconnected when
23:26
Speaker 4: she was twelve until until my daughter was twenty about
23:29
Speaker 4: to turn twenty one, before ever in her life had
23:33
Speaker 4: she ever called me dad, right, And was also around
23:37
Speaker 4: that time the first time in her life I'd ever
23:39
Speaker 4: heard her say I love you, And that was just
23:43
Speaker 4: mind blowing, you know, and we sort of rebuilt our relationship,
23:46
Speaker 4: and I tried to make amends, you know, for for
23:53
Speaker 4: her life, really, you know, as best as what I
23:55
Speaker 4: could through the years. But unfortunately, you know, about well,
24:01
Speaker 4: I think it's about three years ago now, or certainly
24:03
Speaker 4: about two years ago, she decided to walk away from
24:07
Speaker 4: me again and cut me out of her life. And
24:11
Speaker 4: that was really hard to accept. It was one of
24:15
Speaker 4: those times again of the sort of adversity and pain
24:20
Speaker 4: that I had to sort of face up to. But
24:23
Speaker 4: actually what it did for me is that it's helped
24:25
Speaker 4: me move to a new realm within myself where I
24:29
Speaker 4: had to accept exactly what you said. I'm not happy
24:32
Speaker 4: about what happened in her childhood, of course, I'm not
24:34
Speaker 4: happy about that at all, and I wish I could
24:36
Speaker 4: change it, but I can't. Have I done everything I
24:40
Speaker 4: can to make amends for that, Yes I have, and
24:46
Speaker 4: you know what, her work walking away at the moment
24:49
Speaker 4: hurts me very deeply, but I have to forgive myself.
24:55
Speaker 4: I've done all I can to try and repair the damage,
24:59
Speaker 4: and I've had to.
25:01
Speaker 1: Let it go.
25:02
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, you know, and hate. I'm sure we'll reconnect
25:07
Speaker 4: at some point Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, and it'll
25:11
Speaker 4: be with open arms when we do it.
25:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, good few, man. That's tough. I mean, families are tough.
25:16
Speaker 1: Love's tough. It's like the fucking space between love and
25:20
Speaker 1: hate is about a millimeter. Yeah, you know, like some
25:24
Speaker 1: you know, some of the ship that people say to
25:27
Speaker 1: people that they love. It's fucking horrendous. Yeah, you know,
25:32
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's like then there there's a saying
25:36
Speaker 1: about that someone's probably yelling at at the fucking their
25:39
Speaker 1: phone right now. Tif do you know that the relations anyway,
25:43
Speaker 1: it's like there, what does it say? Bedfellows or some
25:47
Speaker 1: oldie world bullshit? All right, So I want to jump
25:49
Speaker 1: back into you. And so we've spoken about this before,
25:57
Speaker 1: but for those who don't know, so you you had
25:59
Speaker 1: a few cracks at suicide. One of them, you broke
26:06
Speaker 1: your ankle. You jumped off a bridge. What was that
26:09
Speaker 1: bridge again, over Burwood Highway or something.
26:12
Speaker 4: Now it was the Blackburn Road bridge over the Monash Freeway.
26:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you jumped whatever that was thirty or forty
26:19
Speaker 1: feet because that's going to fucking sting into traffic and somehow,
26:26
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't get out of it well, but
26:28
Speaker 1: you didn't die. I mean you clearly, dud. God does
26:32
Speaker 1: not want you at the minute, So fucking steady on
26:35
Speaker 1: the death stuff. He's like, bro, I kept you alive
26:38
Speaker 1: through all that other shit so far, it's not making
26:42
Speaker 1: a job harder. Prick, So you fucked up your ankle,
26:46
Speaker 1: so you've had a kind of a fucked up ankle
26:48
Speaker 1: ever since. That would seem inconsistent with elite sport. Plus
26:53
Speaker 1: plus you know, not feeding your body properly for years
26:57
Speaker 1: and years, plus putting toxic shit in your body for
27:01
Speaker 1: years and years and years, and then you know a
27:05
Speaker 1: few other probably medical things that we might not mention.
27:08
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's more up to you than me.
27:09
Speaker 1: But how on earth did you even?
27:12
Speaker 2: Like?
27:13
Speaker 1: This gives people hope that you can have a body
27:15
Speaker 1: that's that kind of broken and get back to the
27:19
Speaker 1: point where you know, like when I see you now,
27:23
Speaker 1: you look like you look like an athlete. I'm like,
27:26
Speaker 1: how the fuck does he look like this? It's like,
27:29
Speaker 1: you look no disrespect to other fifty four year olds.
27:32
Speaker 1: But if I lined up one hundred and fifty four
27:34
Speaker 1: year olds random, you would be in the top two
27:37
Speaker 1: or three. Maybe you would be the top one, just
27:39
Speaker 1: in terms of health, wellness, fitness, performance. I'm not talking
27:43
Speaker 1: about you know, like you know, we're not talking about esthetics. No,
27:48
Speaker 1: I just mean we're not talking from an ego point
27:50
Speaker 1: of view. No, you're beautiful. Shout out to all the
27:54
Speaker 1: beautiful people like Nick. My mum would say head like
27:58
Speaker 1: a robber's dog. But anyway, that's what I would never
28:04
Speaker 1: say that though. But so what what was the journey
28:10
Speaker 1: from from? Like or bits and pieces of the journey
28:14
Speaker 1: to get in the shape that you're in now?
28:18
Speaker 4: Oh you know what it really all began, if we
28:24
Speaker 4: trace it back, It began with your good self, mister Harms.
28:28
Speaker 4: I remember coming to see you after we've done some
28:32
Speaker 4: radio together. This is about fifteen years ago, I think
28:35
Speaker 4: maybe even longer, and I came to see you because,
28:39
Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to try and start to get
28:41
Speaker 4: in shap I was overweight, I was, you know, like
28:44
Speaker 4: I was not going that well even though I was,
28:47
Speaker 4: you know, I changed my life in a lot of
28:50
Speaker 4: other areas that was certainly seem to be the next thing.
28:53
Speaker 4: And I remember you sitting there talking to me about
28:58
Speaker 4: my relationship with food and how that's something that needed
29:01
Speaker 4: to change and need to change that psychological relationship that
29:04
Speaker 4: I have with food. And you also started helping me
29:09
Speaker 4: to train a little bit, and that's where it all
29:12
Speaker 4: began for me, you know. And I started to chip
29:15
Speaker 4: away at my fitness and my health and slowly but surely,
29:18
Speaker 4: it's taken me a long time, slowly but surely I've
29:22
Speaker 4: transformed my body. The first transformation was back then, and
29:26
Speaker 4: it happened over about I don't know, maybe a one
29:29
Speaker 4: or two year period, and I lost all the weight
29:32
Speaker 4: that I had on and I was doing a fair
29:34
Speaker 4: bit of running and stuff. And I remember you used
29:36
Speaker 4: to tell me about the runs you used to do
29:38
Speaker 4: and you sort of land somewhere at an airport and
29:40
Speaker 4: had two hours between flights, you'd be out and running
29:42
Speaker 4: around the airport.
29:43
Speaker 1: And I absolutely did. But I was an idiot. I
29:47
Speaker 1: was an addict, just a different.
29:49
Speaker 4: Addiction powers from evil to good, you know.
29:53
Speaker 1: But it is funny, though, and this is not being disrespectful,
29:56
Speaker 1: but when i'd expect clean in inverted commons, they often
30:00
Speaker 1: get addicted to something else, do you know what I mean?
30:03
Speaker 1: Like exercise or food or lollies or I remember the
30:07
Speaker 1: ox when he got clean and inverted commas from gambling
30:13
Speaker 1: working with him at sen and he went from not
30:17
Speaker 1: smoking having like fifty a day, and then he got
30:21
Speaker 1: off those, and then he was having twenty five coffees
30:23
Speaker 1: a day, and then he got off that I don't
30:25
Speaker 1: know if this is the right order, And he'd sit
30:28
Speaker 1: in the studio on air with like a kilogram bag
30:31
Speaker 1: of lollies. So then it's sugar became the thing. It's
30:34
Speaker 1: like that personality is a motherfucker, because even though you
30:39
Speaker 1: can change your behaviors and your habits, it's just that
30:45
Speaker 1: drive for that dopamine release that you know, you just
30:51
Speaker 1: you kind of just find it somewhere else. So maybe
30:53
Speaker 1: part of that for you now is boxing right.
30:56
Speaker 4: One hundred percent of I mean, you know, it's a
30:58
Speaker 4: well known fact for us, those of us in the
31:01
Speaker 4: recovery community all over the planet, by the way, millions
31:04
Speaker 4: of us, is that we know emphatically that addiction is
31:08
Speaker 4: not curable, right, There is no cure for addictions. So
31:12
Speaker 4: what we do is we arrest it. We arrest it,
31:15
Speaker 4: and then we we shift our our kind of tendencies
31:23
Speaker 4: and our focus, our focus and our faulty patterns. We
31:27
Speaker 4: just try and direct them to areas that are way
31:31
Speaker 4: more healthy. And it's amazing what can be achieved if
31:34
Speaker 4: an addict gets recovering. And this is you know, I
31:37
Speaker 4: need to sort of mention this too, especially with my boxing.
31:41
Speaker 4: One of the one of the superpowers that I have
31:44
Speaker 4: in boxing is that I'm a recovering addict. What does
31:46
Speaker 4: that mean, Well, it means I'm disciplined, means I'm completely focused,
31:51
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed, and I'm relentless because I can direct all
31:58
Speaker 4: of my energy to it, and I I don't have
32:00
Speaker 4: blowouts on food, and I don't get on the piss
32:03
Speaker 4: because I don't drink, and I train within an inch
32:08
Speaker 4: of its life relentlessly and consistently, and it produces results.
32:16
Speaker 4: The results just come if you do that. And it's
32:20
Speaker 4: my addictive nature that I'm using in a positive way
32:24
Speaker 4: that's helped me to do that. And as I said,
32:26
Speaker 4: you know at the beginning of this that addictive nature.
32:29
Speaker 4: Isn't it funny that addictive nature has helped me to
32:32
Speaker 4: find that to uncover who I am. Yes, even though
32:36
Speaker 4: I used it for a long time to block who
32:38
Speaker 4: I was, because that's what addictions about. Addictions about blocking
32:43
Speaker 4: facing what I suspect of myself because I suspect that
32:48
Speaker 4: I'm not good enough, that I don't fit in, and
32:51
Speaker 4: that I'm inferior, and so I need to shift what
32:56
Speaker 4: I think your perception is of me. That's what addiction is.
33:00
Speaker 4: It's shifting your perception of me, so you don't say
33:04
Speaker 4: the truth.
33:06
Speaker 1: I think you've spoken about this, But obviously for a
33:09
Speaker 1: lot of people, I mean there are different drivers and
33:13
Speaker 1: different reasons and different contexts that people fall into addiction.
33:17
Speaker 1: For one of the better expression, but a lot of
33:21
Speaker 1: a lot of addiction, or some of addiction is about
33:24
Speaker 1: avoiding feelings and avoiding thoughts of just like I take
33:29
Speaker 1: this all of a sudden, I don't have to deal
33:31
Speaker 1: with that. You know, the problem is still there, but
33:33
Speaker 1: I'm not stressed about it anymore. I'm not. But now
33:38
Speaker 1: so we go all these years later, So you're a
33:40
Speaker 1: recovering addict still with these addictive tendencies. I mean, you're
33:44
Speaker 1: still Mike Hall. Yeah, right. You behave differently, you choose differently.
33:48
Speaker 1: You've got a different lifestyle, you've got new habits, you've
33:51
Speaker 1: got a different structure, you've got a different purpose and
33:54
Speaker 1: a different focus. But still you must have to be
33:59
Speaker 1: a where of not becoming a rational around training and boxing.
34:06
Speaker 1: And because even that, it's like, I know there was
34:09
Speaker 1: a time when for me training was an addiction in
34:12
Speaker 1: a bad way, you know, like when you said running
34:16
Speaker 1: around an airport. The backstory to that is I got
34:19
Speaker 1: to I had this rule for years that I had
34:22
Speaker 1: to run every day, and I mean every and if
34:25
Speaker 1: I didn't run every day, I would have I don't
34:28
Speaker 1: know what I would do, but obviously got through that,
34:30
Speaker 1: but it was totally an addiction, and I would feel depressed,
34:34
Speaker 1: I would hate myself, I would all of these things.
34:37
Speaker 1: So I remember flying from Melbourne to LA and I
34:41
Speaker 1: remember not like figuring out the time from when I
34:44
Speaker 1: left home to I got to Melbourne airport to getting
34:49
Speaker 1: on the plane, sitting there for fourteen hours whatever then
34:52
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck, I'm going to have about half
34:55
Speaker 1: an hour. Like if I'm not running within half an hour,
34:58
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fit in a run within twenty
35:00
Speaker 1: four hours. I know it's totally irrational, and some people
35:04
Speaker 1: go you, I'm like, oh, yeah, I was irrational as fuck.
35:07
Speaker 1: So I literally got changed five minutes after I got
35:12
Speaker 1: because I had a layover. I was going to Louisiana,
35:16
Speaker 1: and I had like two hours to wait, and yeah,
35:20
Speaker 1: I ran. I ran out the fucking front door of
35:24
Speaker 1: the airport. I ran through that lax car port car park,
35:29
Speaker 1: just sucked in all the carbon monoxide equal to what
35:33
Speaker 1: I'd ever consumed in my life. And I ran for
35:37
Speaker 1: an hour and I literally at times was almost just
35:39
Speaker 1: running in circles because you couldn't go that far, you know,
35:43
Speaker 1: I'm running, and I'm like and then when I finished,
35:47
Speaker 1: this is how I know I was an addict. Oh,
35:49
Speaker 1: it was just like this overwhelm of relief and all
35:52
Speaker 1: the anxiety went, so, you know, and then oh god,
35:56
Speaker 1: I've done it now I don't have to do it
35:58
Speaker 1: for and I knew from then I'd be fine because
36:01
Speaker 1: I've mapped it. Like, yeah, so anything, even healthy things,
36:06
Speaker 1: can become mentally and emotionally unhealthy depending on our relationship
36:11
Speaker 1: with that thing.
36:12
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely absolutely, And yeah, look, I mean I still
36:18
Speaker 4: you know, one of the outstanding characteristics of addiction is
36:22
Speaker 4: you know, defective or poor impulse control, and and and
36:28
Speaker 4: you know, like a really sort of messy judgment, you know,
36:31
Speaker 4: and and so those things are still very very much
36:34
Speaker 4: damaged within me, you know, and It takes a lot
36:37
Speaker 4: of work for me too, you know, and I've got
36:40
Speaker 4: to put many sort of strategies in place to help
36:43
Speaker 4: control that that impulse and that poor judgment and you
36:49
Speaker 4: know all that sort of stuff. So yeah, it takes
36:51
Speaker 4: a it can be a bit of a job, but
36:52
Speaker 4: it's it's worth it.
36:53
Speaker 1: Though, do you think do you think now about when
36:59
Speaker 1: you hang up the glove, Like, because you love competing,
37:04
Speaker 1: I know you've got a fight coming up very soon.
37:06
Speaker 1: If you could have a fight every weekend, I think
37:08
Speaker 1: you'd fucking do it. But like, there's going to come
37:13
Speaker 1: a time where, for a myriad of reasons, it's just
37:16
Speaker 1: intelligent to stop getting punched in the face. I know
37:20
Speaker 1: you do more punching than you get punched as a rule,
37:23
Speaker 1: but still beautiful. So you know, well look at you,
37:25
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt, you motherfucker. But just trying to anticipate that,
37:31
Speaker 1: deal with that and transition into that whatever that is
37:36
Speaker 1: in a healthy way. Like I remember when I got
37:39
Speaker 1: out of personal training kind of officially when I sold,
37:43
Speaker 1: When I got out of all of my gyms, right,
37:46
Speaker 1: I had and I thought I couldn't wait for it
37:48
Speaker 1: because I just wanted to do other shit, And I'm like, oh,
37:50
Speaker 1: if I have to adjust another bike seat or go
37:53
Speaker 1: three more, two more, one more again, I fucking hate it. Right,
37:57
Speaker 1: But when I got out, I missed it so so much,
38:01
Speaker 1: Like there was just this gaping chasm and all I
38:04
Speaker 1: wanted to do was open another gym. It took me.
38:09
Speaker 1: I'd been doing that for thirty years. Yeah, it's like
38:14
Speaker 1: you need to.
38:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's got to be a transition out, doesn't.
38:17
Speaker 1: The one hundred percent And you need to be mentally
38:20
Speaker 1: and ready emotionally ready for that, you know. And I
38:23
Speaker 1: think a lot of people even though it's frustrating and hard,
38:27
Speaker 1: Like a friend of mine just withdrew from they were
38:31
Speaker 1: having some challenges and they withdrew from. Of course, they're
38:36
Speaker 1: doing a degree that they're doing that's been going on
38:39
Speaker 1: for three or four years, and nearly at the finish line,
38:42
Speaker 1: just went, oh fuck, could I hate this? It's not
38:44
Speaker 1: worth it. I hate it so much. They withdrew and
38:48
Speaker 1: like now four weeks later, absolutely devastated. All they wanted
38:53
Speaker 1: to do was stop doing it. Yeah, now they hate
38:56
Speaker 1: themselves that they stop doing it.
38:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I understand. I completely understand, and I've had
39:03
Speaker 4: lots of thoughts. I mean, you know, the sport that
39:05
Speaker 4: I'm doing, as Tiff knows all too well, I mean,
39:08
Speaker 4: it's extremely dangerous, especially as you get older. I mean
39:10
Speaker 4: is at any age, but as you get older, like
39:13
Speaker 4: you said, you know, like we're talking about two humans
39:15
Speaker 4: that are in there, and you know, you are focused
39:20
Speaker 4: on doing damage to another human and they're focused on that,
39:23
Speaker 4: and we're testing our skills. So there does come a
39:27
Speaker 4: time where you know it's it is silly to keep
39:30
Speaker 4: going and the damage and we could cross a line
39:33
Speaker 4: where maybe there's no turning back, you know, in terms
39:37
Speaker 4: of physical damage. And look, I'm continually monitoring that myself,
39:42
Speaker 4: and I've been asking this question myself for a couple
39:46
Speaker 4: of years now, like how am I going to stop?
39:49
Speaker 4: And when am I going to stop? And when am
39:51
Speaker 4: I going to be ready? And I had to get
39:53
Speaker 4: to that point of just going, well, I don't know
39:56
Speaker 4: when I'm going to be ready, but I just know
39:58
Speaker 4: that I'm not ready yet. And then and now though,
40:02
Speaker 4: I'm moving into a phase where I'm looking for the signs,
40:05
Speaker 4: you know, and and one of the signs is that yes,
40:08
Speaker 4: I've got a fight coming up. On the eighteenth of April,
40:10
Speaker 4: at the Q Room and it's for the state title again, Okay,
40:16
Speaker 4: but it doesn't really excite me, right, But what excites
40:21
Speaker 4: me is the guy that I'm fighting. Because the guy
40:23
Speaker 4: that I'm fighting has always been two or three steps
40:27
Speaker 4: ahead of me in development. He's what I would call
40:29
Speaker 4: the top of.
40:30
Speaker 1: The tree for me, Just for me, he'd be the
40:33
Speaker 1: top of the tree.
40:34
Speaker 4: But he injured himself a year ago and he was
40:36
Speaker 4: out for a year. And I've kept fighting, and I
40:39
Speaker 4: think the gap between us has closedow so, and so
40:44
Speaker 4: that is the exciting part about this fight for me.
40:47
Speaker 4: That's made me hungry for it again, and that's made
40:50
Speaker 4: me double down on what I'm doing, my preparation and
40:53
Speaker 4: everything else. But after that, you know, it's funny how
40:59
Speaker 4: things start to happen, and you know when you start
41:00
Speaker 4: to ask these questions. And my youngest daughter, Faith, who's twenty,
41:05
Speaker 4: I got this phone call about month and a half again,
41:08
Speaker 4: I said my dad. I said, yes, Love said, can
41:12
Speaker 4: you teach me boxing? I said, are you serious? She
41:16
Speaker 4: said yeah? I said right, meet me at the gym.
41:18
Speaker 4: Fit Life, Jim Infirnitry Goali meet me at the gym
41:22
Speaker 4: on Saturday morning at ten o'clock and I'll start training
41:25
Speaker 4: it and no winging and any bullshit, okay, dad. So
41:29
Speaker 4: she met me there at ten o'clock the next weekend,
41:32
Speaker 4: and she fucking loves it, loves it. So I started
41:36
Speaker 4: training her. And then another girl that I fight with,
41:40
Speaker 4: she's a fighter as well. She's forty years old. Her
41:42
Speaker 4: names Jasmine, So Jazzy. We've been through a lot of
41:47
Speaker 4: our boxing journey together, and Jazzy, you know, I wanted
41:51
Speaker 4: to help, you know, sort of technically with their boxing
41:53
Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff. And so I started training
41:55
Speaker 4: Jazzy on a Saturday. So next thing, I've got Jazzy
41:58
Speaker 4: and I've got Faith, my daughter that I'm training on
42:01
Speaker 4: Saturday mornings. And it just so happens about two or
42:04
Speaker 4: so weeks ago, there's another young girl at the gym,
42:08
Speaker 4: Shane and Jimmy is just turned fifteen years old and
42:12
Speaker 4: just wants to fight. Wow, let's see so much potential
42:16
Speaker 4: in her. She's so much potential. And so I said, well, Shana,
42:20
Speaker 4: you better be here Saturday morning, no bullshit, be ready
42:24
Speaker 4: to rock and roll. And next thing, I've got a
42:27
Speaker 4: team of three.
42:29
Speaker 1: Look at you, dude, You're going to be the next
42:31
Speaker 1: cast tomato. Yeah, well, you know, it's.
42:35
Speaker 4: The transition out of fighting myself, you know.
42:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll become a coach, so you're still going to
42:40
Speaker 1: be living and breathing, and that'll probably keep you on
42:43
Speaker 1: some kind of life support, emotional life support. I wanted
42:50
Speaker 1: this is a weird question, but I've just been interested
42:53
Speaker 1: about this. I don't think I've ever asked you, but
42:55
Speaker 1: when did you When was your last trip, your last tree?
43:00
Speaker 1: What age were you when you left Her Majesty's back
43:03
Speaker 1: then it was Her Majesty's care for the final time.
43:06
Speaker 1: How old were you I was?
43:13
Speaker 4: I think I was twenty eight? Okay, yeah, either twenty
43:17
Speaker 4: eight or twenty nine.
43:19
Speaker 1: And the first time you went into juvie was like
43:22
Speaker 1: what you were fifteen or something?
43:24
Speaker 4: Or first time I was in like children's court and
43:26
Speaker 4: was assigned probation offices I was. I think I was fourteen?
43:30
Speaker 1: Right, well done, Well you were, you were consistent, gave
43:34
Speaker 1: it a crack. But so I remember you saying to me,
43:37
Speaker 1: so like, for fourteen years, in and out, on and off,
43:40
Speaker 1: you were kind of in that kind of space ish yep.
43:45
Speaker 1: I remember you saying to me something like and this
43:49
Speaker 1: was probably ten years ago. I remember where it was.
43:52
Speaker 1: It was upstairs, was at my gym, it was anyway.
43:58
Speaker 1: You said something like, I'm like a twelve year old
44:03
Speaker 1: trapped in a forty year old body because you missed
44:06
Speaker 1: a lot of development. You missed a lot of just
44:09
Speaker 1: being an adult and making decisions and cooking your dinner
44:13
Speaker 1: and paying the rent and doing all the things that
44:16
Speaker 1: kids like. You missed a lot of that, which is
44:18
Speaker 1: nobody's fault but your own, of course, But you missed
44:21
Speaker 1: a lot of that normal kind of teenage young adults
44:27
Speaker 1: not so young adult development, and so you've almost had
44:32
Speaker 1: to learn how to be a grown up when you
44:34
Speaker 1: were thirty. I was in a time warp. I was
44:37
Speaker 1: in a time warp.
44:38
Speaker 4: Imagine somebody in the early two thousands still wearing fucking
44:46
Speaker 4: footy shorts from the nineteen seventies with a footy jumper
44:51
Speaker 4: with collars on it. That's kind of what it's like,
44:55
Speaker 4: you know, Like, what did all this change about thirty
44:59
Speaker 4: years ago? Mate? I was out of touch with everything,
45:03
Speaker 4: you know, and and emotionally I was a thirty year
45:09
Speaker 4: old man, but emotionally I was probably eleven or twelve.
45:16
Speaker 4: So in every concept, in every way, you can think of,
45:21
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm talking tantrums. I'm talking like screaming tantrums,
45:28
Speaker 4: throwing your mobile phone because they just come out there.
45:31
Speaker 4: And I couldn't believe I had this mobile phone in
45:34
Speaker 4: the end, and Telstra weren't being nice to me, so
45:37
Speaker 4: I smashed my phone. He kicked it down the road
45:40
Speaker 4: and abused everyone that came near me. So, you know,
45:44
Speaker 4: there was all these tantrums. There was just you know,
45:47
Speaker 4: fall in love at the drop of a hat and
45:49
Speaker 4: then be obsessed with people, and it was just it
45:53
Speaker 4: was madness, you know, madness. I was out of control
45:57
Speaker 4: emotionally and psychological and an image, unable to cope with
46:04
Speaker 4: anything at all in life because I didn't have the
46:07
Speaker 4: emotional or psychological tools or capabilities. And what I've had
46:12
Speaker 4: to do in my life in recovery. So when I
46:14
Speaker 4: say my life in recovery, I meant from thirty to
46:17
Speaker 4: fifty four about to turn fifty five, is I've had
46:22
Speaker 4: to learn how to live in the world as maybe
46:26
Speaker 4: people learned that weren't addicts and seemed to be able
46:30
Speaker 4: to do it naturally through the course of time. So
46:33
Speaker 4: I've had to relive all of that and it's taking me.
46:36
Speaker 4: I'm about to turn fifty five. Look here, I am
46:39
Speaker 4: boxing and doing what I'm doing, and I still feel
46:42
Speaker 4: like i'm you know, I wish. I wish, oh man,
46:45
Speaker 4: I wish that I could be twenty five again, because
46:47
Speaker 4: I just want to be a boxer and an athlete.
46:49
Speaker 4: That's all I want to do. I don't want do
46:51
Speaker 4: anything else. Some boxer and an athlete. And in my mind,
46:56
Speaker 4: I still am, but it's going to end because my
47:00
Speaker 4: body just can't keep doing it.
47:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you come out of that that world
47:08
Speaker 1: of incarceration and you step into the world where you
47:11
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, when you want, with no screws,
47:14
Speaker 1: no one looking over your shoulder, no one telling you
47:16
Speaker 1: when to eat, when to shit, when to shower up
47:19
Speaker 1: like you've just you've gone from zero freedom to complete freedom.
47:26
Speaker 1: That's just something that must be very hard to handle
47:30
Speaker 1: without blowing up.
47:32
Speaker 4: Well, it's confusing because I don't know what to do, yes,
47:36
Speaker 4: you know, and I've got nothing to do. But I
47:39
Speaker 4: want to have something to do, but I don't have
47:40
Speaker 4: anything to do, and I don't know what to do, you.
47:44
Speaker 1: Know, And it's just confusing at first, and it's almost
47:47
Speaker 1: like that's the stage with I don't mean this sound funny.
47:52
Speaker 1: That's the stage where you need a parent. Yeah you
47:57
Speaker 1: know what I mean, right, Like if we were friends,
48:01
Speaker 1: then I would have been your shudo dad for a while.
48:04
Speaker 1: You still are up all the way, but yeah, do
48:09
Speaker 1: you know what's funny about you is whenever I'm with you,
48:14
Speaker 1: like you are what you are. You're this tough guy
48:16
Speaker 1: that you've owned multiple businesses, you've done well, you've worked
48:21
Speaker 1: in radio, You've fucking won state titles, national titles, You've
48:24
Speaker 1: done all this shit. But when you and I are together,
48:29
Speaker 1: you're almost like the student. It's like fucking mister Miyagi
48:33
Speaker 1: and the karate kid. You just sit there and soak
48:36
Speaker 1: it up. I know, you know. And I'm not trying
48:39
Speaker 1: to fucking tell you what to do or how to
48:41
Speaker 1: do it, because yesterday I went to you, dude, you
48:43
Speaker 1: are You've been talking to me about writing a book
48:46
Speaker 1: and getting on stage for fucking ten years and you're
48:49
Speaker 1: just kidding yourself and you're never going to do it.
48:51
Speaker 1: In a minute, you'll be sixty and you won't have
48:53
Speaker 1: done it, and the gates closed, and you're like so,
48:57
Speaker 1: and I went, this is what I think you should
48:59
Speaker 1: do for you and you went, Okay, I mean let's
49:05
Speaker 1: do it. Want sign Yeah, because I don't want to
49:07
Speaker 1: see you waste your talent, you know, like, and I'm
49:10
Speaker 1: only saying that because I know you want to do it.
49:12
Speaker 1: It's not my idea, it's your idea. Yeah. My idea is, well,
49:16
Speaker 1: let's fucking start bugger lugs. And so this is what
49:19
Speaker 1: I'm excited to thank you. Yeah, I know I've been
49:22
Speaker 1: wasting your talent. I'm such a greeting I've been hijacking
49:26
Speaker 1: that fucking talent. But this is what I'm excited talking about.
49:29
Speaker 1: You know, being late starter is going all right, Well,
49:32
Speaker 1: at fifty five, we're going to open the door on
49:36
Speaker 1: developing Mick as a speaker, just like TIFFs opened the
49:39
Speaker 1: door a few years ago. And she's a different person
49:42
Speaker 1: and like her knowledge, her skill, her stage awareness, her
49:46
Speaker 1: it's like she's made ten years progress in three years.
49:49
Speaker 2: Right.
49:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm excited to see because you are
49:54
Speaker 1: You're already in front of groups all the time because
49:56
Speaker 1: you work in you know, rehab, and you're always telling
50:03
Speaker 1: you stories and you're obviously very comforty and comfortable on
50:06
Speaker 1: a podcast and blah, blah blah blah blah. But then
50:08
Speaker 1: to create a version of you that's going to stand
50:13
Speaker 1: on a stage in a corporate environment where no one
50:16
Speaker 1: necessarily knows you or likes you. They don't dislike you,
50:19
Speaker 1: they just don't fucking know you, and they don't care
50:22
Speaker 1: if you crash and burn or you're brilliant. They're just
50:25
Speaker 1: sitting there, you know. So it's a different environment, it's
50:29
Speaker 1: a different energy, it's a different context, it's a different
50:32
Speaker 1: skill set. But I know, like when you saw that
50:35
Speaker 1: fifteen year old and you went, oh, this girl could
50:37
Speaker 1: be a great athlete because you just know she's got
50:42
Speaker 1: I look at you and there's no one like you
50:45
Speaker 1: doing what Tiff does. But there's no one you know,
50:50
Speaker 1: And she's got a different kind of energy and story
50:55
Speaker 1: on stage as well, like because she's not coming in
50:58
Speaker 1: and going I'm a gurg at business, right yea, And
51:02
Speaker 1: so she's got a different angle. But your angle is
51:04
Speaker 1: like everybody is addicted to something, you know, and if
51:07
Speaker 1: you're not an addict, well you definitely know ten so
51:12
Speaker 1: and there's probably four in your life, not necessarily drug
51:14
Speaker 1: addicts or alcoholics, but you know, so I'm excited to
51:19
Speaker 1: see that development, and now that we've spoken about it publicly,
51:22
Speaker 1: you better fucking do the work made.
51:24
Speaker 4: I will be doing the work I am. I am absolutely,
51:27
Speaker 4: you know it terrifies me. I want to do it.
51:30
Speaker 4: It's like a lot of things. You love the idea, right,
51:33
Speaker 4: but then when the reality comes, where do you stand now?
51:37
Speaker 4: One of the things through boxing that I wanted to
51:39
Speaker 4: prove to myself is that, yeah, I can have the
51:42
Speaker 4: great idea that when reality comes, I want to be
51:45
Speaker 4: the guy that says I'm doing this and I do
51:48
Speaker 4: it anyway, no matter how scared I am whatever, and
51:51
Speaker 4: I'm I'm dedicated.
51:53
Speaker 1: Man.
51:53
Speaker 4: I want to do it.
51:54
Speaker 2: You know.
51:54
Speaker 4: I just know it's in me, It's in my heart
51:57
Speaker 4: that it's certainly a direction that I need to go now.
52:00
Speaker 4: But I've needed someone like Uncle Harps to, you know,
52:06
Speaker 4: wrap some structure around me and go, hey, Dick, here,
52:10
Speaker 4: this is fucking do it. And I'll help you put
52:15
Speaker 4: that together and push that along.
52:19
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, we'll see, yeah, Okay, we'll see.
52:24
Speaker 1: We'll see.
52:25
Speaker 4: He's so hard, Tiffany, he's so hard on me.
52:27
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, good story mate, it's good on a podcast.
52:30
Speaker 1: We'll see get back to me in a year, Tiff,
52:33
Speaker 1: you look like he's all flat. Now, well, am I
52:36
Speaker 1: being honest with you?
52:37
Speaker 3: That's why you're chosen?
52:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I tell people all the time if
52:42
Speaker 1: you want to cheer, if you want to cheer squad
52:45
Speaker 1: or fucking someone to tell you you're amazing when you're not,
52:48
Speaker 1: don't come to me. I'll tell you the ship that's real. Like,
52:53
Speaker 1: you can't be objective about you, You're you. You look
52:57
Speaker 1: like you're going to say something in there a minute
52:59
Speaker 1: or two ago. Am I getting that wrong?
53:01
Speaker 3: Now?
53:02
Speaker 1: How's your development? Like, do you feel like you've developed
53:06
Speaker 1: a lot in the last three years since you kind
53:08
Speaker 1: of or however long it is kind of opened the
53:11
Speaker 1: door on standing in front of humans for money. Obviously
53:14
Speaker 1: it's much more than that, but you know, ultimately it's
53:17
Speaker 1: a job as well.
53:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it got to the point for
53:20
Speaker 2: me where I was like why I wanted to learn
53:24
Speaker 2: about the things that I didn't know that I didn't know,
53:27
Speaker 2: you know, so I did courses with other people, I
53:29
Speaker 2: went and hung around other people, doing things different ways
53:33
Speaker 2: than what's comfortable to me. And even this last speaking
53:38
Speaker 2: engagement up in Cans, like there was an amazing opportunity,
53:41
Speaker 2: and I wasn't happy with it, but I didn't fail.
53:45
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, that's the best outcome to
53:47
Speaker 2: have some lessons, not fail in the middle of having
53:51
Speaker 2: some lessons and some new environments to have to process.
53:55
Speaker 1: That's right. And you you reef you can. You're not
53:58
Speaker 1: pretending you did awesome when I think you rated yourself
54:01
Speaker 1: for six or something or whatever. So you didn't do bad,
54:04
Speaker 1: you didn't do great, but you go away going wow,
54:07
Speaker 1: I've got a really good experience. I've got lots of
54:09
Speaker 1: interaction with other speakers. I know what I do differently.
54:13
Speaker 1: It's like losing a fight, right, or it's like whatever,
54:16
Speaker 1: you know, where you go. Fuck. I learned twenty five things.
54:19
Speaker 1: Now I've got to operationalize those put them into practice,
54:22
Speaker 1: Like you can't get better by not speaking. And that's
54:26
Speaker 1: part of the thing, is that there's that emotional and
54:28
Speaker 1: psychological vulnerability where you are literally opening up to hundreds
54:34
Speaker 1: of people that you don't know, knowing that you might
54:38
Speaker 1: fuck up. Right, that's fucking bravery. I mean that is coage,
54:43
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's that's the thing that
54:46
Speaker 1: I put up a thing yesterday which said something like
54:49
Speaker 1: being static in a dynamic world doesn't It doesn't work.
54:53
Speaker 1: It's a problem, right, And the thing is that we
54:56
Speaker 1: do live in a dynamic world. Everything's changing, things, things
55:00
Speaker 1: happen all the time that we don't want to the
55:02
Speaker 1: world's uncertain, uncomfortable, unfamiliar, all that shit, all the uns
55:05
Speaker 1: as I talk about, that's not gonna avoid you. So
55:10
Speaker 1: you need to know that there's going to be shit
55:12
Speaker 1: coming and you're going to be ready or not. And
55:14
Speaker 1: how do you be ready? Will you train well in
55:17
Speaker 1: this context? How do you train? Will you start speaking
55:19
Speaker 1: to groups? And you might be one out of ten?
55:21
Speaker 1: I talked about my first ever twenty six I was
55:25
Speaker 1: got paid fifty bucks in a timbard to talk to
55:27
Speaker 1: all these blokes. They fucking hated me, like they couldn't
55:31
Speaker 1: get out of there quick enough. I was dog shit.
55:34
Speaker 1: I got paid fifty bucks and I fucking loved it.
55:37
Speaker 1: I loved it. I'm like, this is the best I knew.
55:41
Speaker 1: I was shit because every bit of while I didn't
55:44
Speaker 1: get feedback. They just brushed past me. And I'm like, Okay,
55:48
Speaker 1: I was crap, but I don't know why. Like with you, Mick,
55:52
Speaker 1: I know I can win a title. I was like,
55:54
Speaker 1: I know I can do this. I know I'm shit
55:56
Speaker 1: right now. And that's not self clothing, that's self awareness.
56:00
Speaker 1: Good now. No, it's like, could I go get a
56:02
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu black belt if I wanted to commit for
56:05
Speaker 1: ten years? Which I don't, But if I did, Yes,
56:09
Speaker 1: would I be fucking horrible at it at the start?
56:12
Speaker 1: Of course? Would I be somewhat shit in a year? Yes?
56:16
Speaker 1: Would I have some skills an aptitude in two or
56:18
Speaker 1: three yes, you know, and then maybe in five years
56:21
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit dangerous than in ten years I'm
56:23
Speaker 1: a black belt. But I've got to go through either
56:27
Speaker 1: the literal white belt or the metaphoric white belt in
56:29
Speaker 1: your case, building businesses, becoming a boxer, tip, becoming a speaker.
56:35
Speaker 1: This is a stage, the white belt phases, the phase
56:38
Speaker 1: that people want to avoid because everyone wants to look
56:40
Speaker 1: good and be good. They want to be at the
56:43
Speaker 1: top of the mountain. They just don't want to fucking climb.
56:46
Speaker 1: They want to black belt for nothing. Yeah, it's like, dude,
56:49
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, you suck. That doesn't mean you're a
56:52
Speaker 1: bad human, that doesn't mean you're without potential, But you
56:56
Speaker 1: can't you can't move past that level of skill or
56:59
Speaker 1: confidence or competence without sucking and without being courageous. Yeah,
57:04
Speaker 1: because it's you know, getting in a boxing ring. You
57:07
Speaker 1: both know, I don't know, but it requires immense courage.
57:13
Speaker 1: Like nobody, even even the champions, they don't get in
57:16
Speaker 1: they're relaxed. I mean maybe the odd one. But you know,
57:19
Speaker 1: I remember watching Tony Lockett one hundred years ago at
57:23
Speaker 1: some Kilda. I shouldn't say this, but anyway, fuck it,
57:27
Speaker 1: but I could tell you more, but I will say
57:31
Speaker 1: he was very nervous before games and he was arguably,
57:36
Speaker 1: well he's the greatest goalkicker of all time in the
57:38
Speaker 1: AFL in one hundred and forty years of AFL, he's
57:42
Speaker 1: the best full forward of all time. And I would
57:46
Speaker 1: see him spew every second game before the game, so nervous,
57:51
Speaker 1: so nervous. And this was when he was a champion,
57:55
Speaker 1: you know, and like because he was scared or nervous
57:58
Speaker 1: or all those normal human things. Yeah, then it would
58:02
Speaker 1: go out there and be scared and courageous like encourage
58:09
Speaker 1: It's well, you can only be courageous if you're scared. Yeah,
58:12
Speaker 1: that's right. Like if it's comfortable, well, we don't require courage.
58:15
Speaker 1: If there's no risk, we don't require courage. So correct, Well,
58:20
Speaker 1: it's been a good chat. It's we're an hour in
58:24
Speaker 1: if any parting words, I know we've left you out
58:27
Speaker 1: of a bit, but any wisdom that you.
58:28
Speaker 2: Want to and I always love to sit back and
58:32
Speaker 2: just bask in a little boxing talk.
58:34
Speaker 3: So thanks, Mick. That was a what would have.
58:37
Speaker 1: To happen for you to get what would have to happen?
58:40
Speaker 1: Sorry mix, sorry t if for you to have to
58:42
Speaker 1: get back in the ring or is there no chance? Me? Yes?
58:47
Speaker 2: Oh, just my energy right now, I'm just battling, not recovering,
58:52
Speaker 2: Like I just want to get back to being able
58:54
Speaker 2: to train, and I'm still battling that.
58:58
Speaker 1: So your physical energy is shit at the mean super Yeah.
59:03
Speaker 2: Occasionally I've gone and done a half an hour light
59:06
Speaker 2: class every now and then and.
59:09
Speaker 3: That just knocks me for six. You know, it's ridiculous,
59:13
Speaker 3: It's really fucking annoying. If I'm honest, I'd be in
59:17
Speaker 3: there at heartbeat.
59:18
Speaker 1: Mick.
59:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love you to come down to add Jim
59:22
Speaker 4: and do a little bit of training with and a
59:25
Speaker 4: little bit of sparrow with one of certainly one of
59:27
Speaker 4: the girls, Jasmine actually one of our girls that we've
59:30
Speaker 4: got down there. Would be just awesome to have someone
59:33
Speaker 4: like you come down and give her some experience and
59:36
Speaker 4: some her yeah, give us some training would be it
59:39
Speaker 4: would be awesome. So if you ever ever you know,
59:42
Speaker 4: up for coming down to fit life in Furniture Gully
59:45
Speaker 4: at some stage, we'd love to have you and we'd
59:47
Speaker 4: look after you.
59:48
Speaker 3: I'm working on my recovery.
59:49
Speaker 2: If someone out there wants to fix my energy, come
59:51
Speaker 2: on in.
59:53
Speaker 1: And all else fails. If that fails, you could teach
59:55
Speaker 1: you how to do a front double bicep and a
59:57
Speaker 1: lat spread.
1:00:00
Speaker 3: What you know, I'm not too good at that though, haf.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: No, you're you're a little bit special when it comes
1:00:08
Speaker 1: to doing the lat spread. Even when she does a
1:00:10
Speaker 1: front double bicep. We're talk on bodybuilding now. Hey mate,
1:00:13
Speaker 1: it's been great to talk to you. Congrats, we appreciate you.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: You're a winner. And lets uh, let's see how this
1:00:23
Speaker 1: speaking career unfolds over the next year or two.
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Speaker 4: It's exciting.
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Speaker 1: We'll see
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Speaker 4: Are you killing me