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The Violent Fraud of Jinn Doctors · Crime Night

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Speaker 1: I want you to just close your eyes for a second.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a trip, but I really need you
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Speaker 1: to prepare yourself for the heat.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is intense.
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Speaker 1: Right. We are in the mid nineties. We're in a
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Speaker 1: region called ABIs deep in the Egyptian Delta. It's the
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Speaker 1: middle of the day, the sun is directly overhead, and
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Speaker 1: it is absolute, suffocatingly hot. It's that heavy, wet heat
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Speaker 1: that just immediately makes your clothes stick to your skin
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Speaker 1: the second you step out the door, and the air
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Speaker 1: isn't just hemid, it is thick with dust, this yellow,
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Speaker 1: choking dust kicked up by thousands and thousands of shuffling feet.
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Speaker 2: And when you look down the main road, the visual
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Speaker 2: is just overwhelming. It's gridlock, but not normal traffic. We're
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Speaker 2: talking about cars abandoned at weird angles, buses that can't
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Speaker 2: move an inch, and a sea of people packed shoulder
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Speaker 2: to shoulder. Yeah, if you didn't know the context, you'd
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Speaker 2: swear this was the beginning of a revolution, or maybe
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Speaker 2: like the biggest pop concert the Middle East had ever
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Speaker 2: seen exactly.
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Speaker 1: It has that massive scale, but the soundscape completely wrong
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Speaker 1: for a concert. There's no music, there's no chanting of
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Speaker 1: political slogans.
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Speaker 2: Nothing like that.
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Speaker 1: No, for a crowd this massive, and we are talking
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Speaker 1: about thousands of people here, there is an eerie, disciplined silence.
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Speaker 1: The only sound cutting through that heavy, dusty air is
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Speaker 1: the sharp, high pitched crackle of microphone feedback. And then
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Speaker 1: a woman's voice booms through the loud speakers.
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Speaker 2: And it is not a singing voice, not at all.
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Speaker 2: It's a voice of absolute, terrifying authority. It demands attention.
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Speaker 2: But here's the twist that makes this whole story so unsettling.
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Speaker 2: This isn't a political rally. It is technically speeching a
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Speaker 2: medical clinic, well sort of, or at least that is
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Speaker 2: what every single desperate person standing in that crushing heat
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Speaker 2: believes it is.
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Speaker 1: But if you look around, you're not going to find
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Speaker 1: a single stethoscope. You want to see a prescription pad
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Speaker 1: or a sterile needle. The only medical equipment here are
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Speaker 1: palm Frond's big dried tough sticks from date palms, and
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Speaker 1: a woman named Shikanatia standing in the courtyard of her
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Speaker 1: home getting ready to perform surgery on the soul.
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Speaker 2: Today we are taking a deep dive into the story
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Speaker 2: of the healer of ABIs and looking at the historical records,
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Speaker 2: the COREK documents, the eyewitness accounts we've pulled for this,
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Speaker 2: it's clear this goes way beyond simple fraud. Absolutely, it's
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Speaker 2: a masterclass in mass psychology, the power of desperation, and
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Speaker 2: that terrifyingly blurry line between spiritual salvation and just well
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Speaker 2: criminal abuse.
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Speaker 1: So our mission today is to unpack how one woman,
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Speaker 1: operating out of a house in a dusty village, managed
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Speaker 1: to convince thousands of people. And I'm not just talking
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Speaker 1: about villagers here, I mean licensed medical doctors and university
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Speaker 1: professors that she could command the supernatural. I'm your host
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Speaker 1: alongside our resident expert, and it's a wild, frankly brutal
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Speaker 1: ride today, so buckle up.
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Speaker 2: It really is. And to understand Nadia, we first have
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Speaker 2: to understand the stage she built, because this wasn't just
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Speaker 2: a scam. It was theater. It was completely immersive.
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Speaker 1: So let's go back to that courtyard. It's the weekly
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Speaker 1: gathering of travel from every corner of Egypt to peer.
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Speaker 1: They're tired, they're sick, and they're terrified. Naughty steps up
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Speaker 1: to the microphone. The crowd goes dead, silent. What exactly happens.
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Speaker 2: Next she begins the ritual. She starts reciting specific versus
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Speaker 2: Dick or remembrances and what are known as immunization versus.
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Speaker 2: But she isn't whispering. She's projecting this continuously loud over
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Speaker 2: that massive sound system. It's literally a sonic.
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Speaker 1: Wall creating a pressure cooker environment exactly.
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Speaker 2: And the reaction from the crowd reading the accounts, it
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Speaker 2: sounds like something straight out of a horror movie.
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Speaker 1: It's the power of suggestion at its absolute most potent.
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Speaker 1: You have thousands of people listening, waiting for something to happen,
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Speaker 1: and suddenly, out of that silence, the screaming starts.
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Speaker 2: It's usually about ten people or so in a session,
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Speaker 2: scattered through the crowd. They scream, they convulse, they just
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Speaker 2: collapse to the ground.
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Speaker 1: It's like a contagion. One person goes and the tension
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Speaker 1: just snaps for everyone else.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, but in Nadia's narrative, this wasn't panic. This was
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Speaker 2: a diagnosis. If you screwed meant you were afflicted, you
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Speaker 2: had a gin spirit inside you, or you were the
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Speaker 2: victim of severe sorcery. By screaming, you had just identified
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Speaker 2: yourself as a patient.
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Speaker 1: And once you identified yourself, that is when the enforcers
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Speaker 1: came in. Because she didn't work.
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Speaker 2: Alone, right, Nadia didn't handle the crowd control herself. This
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Speaker 2: was very much a family enterprise. She had her brothers
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Speaker 2: there acting as the muscle. The moment someone collapsed, they
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Speaker 2: would drag them and I mean literally drag them through
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Speaker 2: the dust to the front of the courtyard to face
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Speaker 2: the shika.
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Speaker 1: And this brings us to her method. I want to
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Speaker 1: pause here because this is where the story shifts from
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Speaker 1: a spiritual gathering to something visceral and frankly incredibly unhygienic.
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Speaker 2: It is certainly distinctive. So the patient is on the ground,
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Speaker 2: likely terrified. Nadia needs to negotiate with the entity possessing them.
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Speaker 2: Her technique involved placing her fingers inside her own mouth,
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Speaker 2: getting them wet with plenty of saliva, and then placing
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Speaker 2: her hand on the patient's head and putting those wet
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Speaker 2: fingers inside the patient's mouth.
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Speaker 1: Wait inside their mouth, physically inside outside. Yeah. The belief
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Speaker 1: was that she was extracting a gin from her own body,
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Speaker 1: a good gin, essentially to go inside the patient and
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Speaker 1: negotiate with the bad gin. It was a spiritual hostile
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Speaker 1: takeover facilitated by well spit. That is incredibly invasive. It's dominating.
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Speaker 1: But let's say the negotiation didn't work. Let's say the
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Speaker 1: patient didn't snap out of it immediately. What happened then?
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Speaker 2: Then the tone shifted from spiritual negotiation to physical brutality.
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Speaker 2: This is where it gets really dark. If the patient
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Speaker 2: remained in a trance or kept screaming, Nadia would signal
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Speaker 2: her brother he held the jare the thick, tough sticks
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Speaker 2: made from the mid rib of palm leaves, And these
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Speaker 2: aren't flimsy twigs. They are solid word.
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Speaker 1: And they weren't just waving them around to scare the
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Speaker 1: spirits where they no.
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Speaker 2: They beat the patients, and we aren't talking about a
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Speaker 2: symbolic tap on the shoulder. They struck them with full force.
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Speaker 2: Nadia believed that the gin resided in specific parts of
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Speaker 2: the body, hands, feet, neck, so she would direct her
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Speaker 2: brother to hit those spots. They would beat these people
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Speaker 2: until they bled.
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Speaker 1: That is just horrifying. You have sick people, mentally unwell people,
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Speaker 1: possibly even cancer patients, being beaten with sticks in front
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Speaker 1: of a crowd of thousands.
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Speaker 2: And here's the psychological key to all of this. The
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Speaker 2: logic was that the blows weren't hurting the human, they
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Speaker 2: were hurting the gin. So if the patient was screaming
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Speaker 2: in pain, Nadia would say over the mic, that's not
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Speaker 2: him screaming, that's the demon screaming. It completely bypassed any
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Speaker 2: empathy the crowd might have felt.
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Speaker 1: It's a perfect closed loop of logic. The pain proves
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Speaker 1: the cure is working. If you scream, it's the demon.
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Speaker 1: If you bleed, it's the demon leaving. There is zero
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Speaker 1: room for the victim's suffering to be acknowledged as actual
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Speaker 1: human suffering.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It completely dehumanizes the patient in the name of
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Speaker 2: saving them.
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Speaker 1: Now you mentioned this was a family business earlier. I
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Speaker 1: think this is a crucial piece of the puzzle because
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Speaker 1: it explains why so many people fell for it. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't just a lone wolf operator out there. She lives
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Speaker 1: with her daughter, her mother, and her two brothers. But
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Speaker 1: one of those brothers, this detail just blew my mind.
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Speaker 2: Oh, this is the detail that legitimizes the whole operation
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Speaker 2: for so many people. One of our brothers was a
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Speaker 2: medical doctor, a.
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Speaker 1: Real doctor, not a doctor of metaphysics or something made up.
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Speaker 2: A real licensed medical doctor. He had gone to medical school,
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Speaker 2: he had the degree, he had taken the Hippocratic oath,
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Speaker 2: but he quit his practice. He walked away from modern
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Speaker 2: medicine to become the business manager for his sister, the
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Speaker 2: spiritual healer.
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Speaker 1: That is a massive endorsement. If I'm a skeptic, or
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Speaker 1: I'm on the fence and I see a guy who
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Speaker 1: knows anatomy and pharmacology standing there saying no trust me.
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Speaker 1: My sister's magic is real. That changes everything.
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Speaker 2: It absolutely does. It provides this veneer of scientific credibility
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Speaker 2: to something that is entirely irrational. It signals to the crowd,
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Speaker 2: we know science, We've studied the books, and we have
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Speaker 2: realized this is better. It's a devastatingly effective marketing tool.
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Speaker 1: I just can't wrap my hand around his motivation. Do
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Speaker 1: we know if he actually believed it or was he
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Speaker 1: just looking at the profit margins?
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Speaker 2: That is the million dollar question right there. The record
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Speaker 2: suggets the money was astronomical. They were raking in absolute fortunes.
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Speaker 2: But there's also a phenomenon called shared psychosis or fully ado.
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Speaker 2: It's highly possible he saw the results, the placebo effects,
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Speaker 2: the mass hysteria, and convinced himself that his sister had
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Speaker 2: tapped into a science that medical school didn't teach.
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Speaker 1: The ultimate rationalization. And speaking of her management style, Nady
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Speaker 1: wasn't exactly the warm, grandmotherly healer type.
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Speaker 2: Was she far from it. The accounts describe her as
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Speaker 2: incredibly abrasive. She would shout at the crowd, berate them,
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Speaker 2: yell at people to sit down or shut up. She
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Speaker 2: was openly abusive, which is strange, right.
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Speaker 1: Usually you attract people with honey, not.
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Speaker 2: Vinegar, not in this kind of dynamic. In ac cult
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Speaker 2: of personality, which is exactly what this was, abuse often
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Speaker 2: reads as authority. If she's nice to you, she's just
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Speaker 2: a regular person. If she's terrifying, she's powerful. The crowd
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Speaker 2: stood in silence and during the heat and the yelling,
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Speaker 2: because they were afraid of her. They believe she held
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Speaker 2: the keys to their salvation, and you do not talk
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Speaker 2: back to the holding the keys.
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Speaker 1: It's the tough love trope taken to a pathological extreme.
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Speaker 1: But let's backtrack a bit. How does a woman in
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Speaker 1: Avis simply decide one day I'm going to be a
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Speaker 1: supernatural healer. Did she have an origin story?
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Speaker 2: Every superhero in super villain needs an origin story, and
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Speaker 2: Naudia's was carefully constructed to make her seem reluctant, which
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Speaker 2: makes her much more trustworthy. She didn't want this power,
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Speaker 2: it was thrust upon her.
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Speaker 1: What was the narrative she sold to the crowd.
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Speaker 2: She claims she was just a pious woman, minding her
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Speaker 2: own business, praying and reading the Quran. Then she says Satan.
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Speaker 1: Appeared to her, the devil himself, the big boss.
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Speaker 2: She claimed he gave her an ultimatum. Obey him and
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Speaker 2: she'd have everything. Refuse she would pay the price, and
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Speaker 2: she says she refused.
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Speaker 1: So she paints herself as the ultimate martyr from day.
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Speaker 2: One exactly, and the price was high. She claimed she
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Speaker 2: suffered severe possession for six months. She was tormented and
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Speaker 2: no local shake could help her. She was in the
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Speaker 2: wilderness spiritually.
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Speaker 1: Speaking, and how does she break free? A vision?
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Speaker 2: She claims she had a recurring dream three times telling
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Speaker 2: her to fast for forty five days, and this wasn't
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Speaker 2: a normal fast. She was only allowed to eat dates
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Speaker 2: and bread.
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Speaker 1: That is a serious fast that definitely does things to
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Speaker 1: your body chemistry.
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Speaker 2: It does, and she says at the end of the
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Speaker 2: forty five days, she woke up not only cured of
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Speaker 2: her possession, but gifted with the ability to heal others.
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Speaker 2: But here is the fascinating part. She didn't claim to
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Speaker 2: do it alone. This is where she bridges the gap
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Speaker 2: between folklore and the modern world her brother represented. She
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Speaker 2: introduced the concept of gin doctors gen doctors.
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Speaker 1: This is the part I really need you to unpack
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Speaker 1: for me, because it sounds so bureaucratic.
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Speaker 2: It is, and that's the brilliance of it. She claims
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Speaker 2: she had subjugated a team of invisible gin who were
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Speaker 2: actually medical specialists, just like human doctors. They had specialties,
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Speaker 2: one for the heart, one for the stomach, one for bones.
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Speaker 1: So she's basically the hospital administrator and the ghosts of
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Speaker 1: the surgeons.
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Speaker 2: Essentially, Yes, when she was diagnosing you, she claims, she
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Speaker 2: was consulting with these invisible specialists. It's brilliant because it
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Speaker 2: mimics the medical experience people were already used to. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't just magic, it was an invisible hospital. It makes
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Speaker 2: the supernatural feel oddly grounded and technical.
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Speaker 1: It creates this parallel universe where magic follows the rules
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Speaker 1: of modern institutions. It feels safer to a modern mind
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Speaker 1: than just wild, unpredictable magic.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and that feeling of groundedness is why her victims
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Speaker 2: weren't who you might expect them to be.
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Speaker 1: Right. This is a major point we really need to
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Speaker 1: hit because it is so easy to look at a
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Speaker 1: story like this, people getting beaten with palm fronds in
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Speaker 1: a dusty village and think, oh, these must be uneducated,
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Speaker 1: simple people. That's the stereotype.
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Speaker 2: That is the stereotype, but the reality of the healer
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Speaker 2: of ABIs contradicts it completely. Her client tele included the wealthy,
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Speaker 2: it included prominent businessmen, it included intellectuals.
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Speaker 1: There's a specific story in the document about a university
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Speaker 1: professor that really stuck with me. This guy was definitely
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Speaker 1: not uneducated.
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Speaker 2: No, the professor, this is a man who talk at
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Speaker 2: a universe in Australia. He is a man of the world,
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Speaker 2: educated in the West, presumably a sharp, critical thinker.
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Speaker 1: And yet he ended up in Nadia's courtyard.
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Speaker 2: Why his brother was dying of late stage colon cancer.
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Speaker 2: Now we have to understand the sheer desperation of that
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Speaker 2: medicine had likely failed them. They were told there is
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Speaker 2: nothing more we can do. They were totally out of options,
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Speaker 2: and someone suggested Nadia as a last resort.
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Speaker 1: The ultimate Hail Mary passed exactly.
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Speaker 2: He was skeptical, he didn't want to go, but he
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Speaker 2: went for his family. And here is where the human
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Speaker 2: mind does something really tricky. After the sessions with Nadia,
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Speaker 2: this professor didn't just grudgingly admit she tried. He went
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Speaker 2: to the newspapers. He publicly defended her. He swore that
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Speaker 2: his brother was completely cured of cancer.
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Speaker 1: Cured by the palm Franz and the saliva.
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Speaker 2: That was his claim. Now, medically we know that spontaneous
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Speaker 2: remission is incredibly rare, and cures from stage four cancer
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Speaker 2: via exorcism just don't happen. His brother died shortly after.
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Speaker 2: But at that moment, the professor truly believed.
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Speaker 1: How does this smart man convinced himself of that?
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Speaker 2: It's a psychological mechanism called effort justification. He had invested
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Speaker 2: so much hope, time, money, and dignity into this. To
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Speaker 2: admit it was a scam would be to admit he
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Speaker 2: had subjected his dying brother to torture for absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 2: His brain literally couldn't handle that reality, so it constructed
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Speaker 2: a new one. He was cured for a moment, the
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Speaker 2: magic worked.
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Speaker 1: That is Heartbreakingugh. It just shows that intelligence doesn't immunize
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Speaker 1: you against greed for desperation.
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Speaker 2: If anything, smart people are sometimes better at rationalizing the irrational.
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Speaker 2: He used his credentials to validate her, effectively saying to
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Speaker 2: the public, I'm a professor and I believe so you
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Speaker 2: should too.
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Speaker 1: That is so dangerous. When you have the elite validating
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Speaker 1: the fringe, the fringe becomes the mainstream.
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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. She became a massive celebrity.
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Speaker 2: But as with all empires built on sand or in
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Speaker 2: this case, dust and deceit, it had to come crashing
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Speaker 2: down eventually.
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Speaker 1: It took a while, though she operated through the nineties. Finally,
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, the law caught up with the
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Speaker 1: Healer of ABIs.
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Speaker 2: The authorities rated the compound. It was a massive operation
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Speaker 2: because remember she had thousands of followers. They were terrified
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Speaker 2: this could turn into a full blown riot.
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Speaker 1: And when they charged her, they didn't just charge her
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Speaker 1: with fraud. There was something else right, something specific to
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Speaker 1: the legal system there.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the charges were fraud, swindling, and practicing lower works,
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Speaker 2: which is sorcery.
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Speaker 1: Lower works yeah, that sounds like something out of a
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Speaker 1: fantasy novel.
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Speaker 2: Is that a legal term in the context of fraud? There? Yes,
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Speaker 2: In the tradition there is a clear distinction. There is ruka,
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Speaker 2: which is legitimate spiritual healing, reciting the court on praying,
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Speaker 2: usually done for free or very little money by pious people.
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Speaker 2: And we always want to be clear, we are just
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Speaker 2: reporting how the law viewed this. They drew a line
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Speaker 2: between that and lower works or sorcery. This implies using filth,
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Speaker 2: blood swindling people, using the gin for personal gain.
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Speaker 1: So the Corps was basically saying, this isn't religion, this
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Speaker 1: is a hustle exactly.
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Speaker 2: She was put on trial in the court of kafrel Doar,
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Speaker 2: and the verdict she was sentenced to three years in prison.
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Speaker 1: Three years I mean, considering the beatings, the bleeding, the
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Speaker 1: people who probably stopped real medical treatment to see her,
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Speaker 1: that feels incredibly light.
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Speaker 2: It feels light to us now. But at the time
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Speaker 2: the prison sentence wasn't even the real punishment. The punishment
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Speaker 2: was the demystification seeing the all powerful Shika in handcuffs
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Speaker 2: being led away by regular police officers, unable to summon
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Speaker 2: her gin army to save herself. That shatters the illusion
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Speaker 2: quicker than any logical argument ever could.
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Speaker 1: It reminds us that at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: she was just a woman running a scam.
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Speaker 2: A woman running a very lucrative, very violent scam. Even
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Speaker 2: after her arrest, her name, Shikanadia remained a benchmark in Egypt.
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Speaker 2: If someone was talking about Charlatan's or sorcery, her name
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Speaker 2: was the one they used. She became the archetype.
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Speaker 1: So as we wrap up this deep dive, what is
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Speaker 1: the big takeaway here? We have a doctor, brother, a professor, believer,
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Speaker 1: a violent ritual, and a woman who claimed to command
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Speaker 1: in visables urs.
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Speaker 2: The real tragedy is the abuse. We can sit here
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Speaker 2: in marvel at the absurdity of the Gin doctors, But
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Speaker 2: real people were beaten until they bled. Real people with
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Speaker 2: cancer were given false hope and palm frond beatings instead
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Speaker 2: of pain management or chemotherapy.
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Speaker 1: It's the exploitation of the absolute most vulnerable moment in
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Speaker 1: a person's life, when they are sick and hopeless.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Nadia created a trap that was perfectly designed. She
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Speaker 2: used the language of religion to hook the pious. She
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Speaker 2: used her brother, the doctor to hook the skeptics. She
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Speaker 2: used the theater of the screams to hook the curious,
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Speaker 2: and she used violence to silence the doubters. It was
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Speaker 2: a flawless psychological mouse trap.
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Speaker 1: And she did it all without the Internet, without social media,
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Speaker 1: just a microphone and a reputation. That's the scariest part,
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Speaker 1: it really is. You know, we look back at ABIs
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, at the dust and the heat and
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Speaker 1: the primitive nature of hitting people with sticks, and we think, well,
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Speaker 1: we're smarter than that. Now we have smartphones, we have
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Speaker 1: modern medicine, but.
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Speaker 2: The underlying psychological mechanism hasn't changed, not one bit.
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Speaker 1: And that is the thought I want to leave you
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Speaker 1: with today. We might not have palm frauds anymore, but
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Speaker 1: where do you see the exact same manipulation happening right now?
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a woman in a village courtyard. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's a wellness influencer online promising that a specific green
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Speaker 1: juice cure is cancer and doctors are lying to you.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a financial guru promising a miracle cure for
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Speaker 1: your debt if you just buy their expensive course.
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Speaker 2: The core promise is always the same. I have the
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Speaker 2: secret knowledge the establishment is broken, and for a price,
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Speaker 2: I can save you.
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Speaker 1: The props change, but the script. The script remains exactly
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Speaker 1: the same. Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.
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Speaker 1: Keep your eyes open and we'll catch you next time.