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SMNTY Classics: Sabine Wren · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: one Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. And because I
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  Speaker 1: can't help it, and because there are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars things happening right now, we're bringing back some
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  Speaker 1: more Star Wars classics, including this one, which I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to bring back, but I caved because it's more
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  Speaker 1: this is more recent. We usually try to wait longer
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  Speaker 1: before we bring back a classic. This one's a year old,
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  Speaker 1: but it is on the Sabine Wren and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to bring it back because the trailer for Soka just
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  Speaker 1: came out. Oh yeah, and we saw Sabine in it,
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  Speaker 1: and we got to see some of her lightsaber skills
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  Speaker 1: that she learned. Oh, and rebels Sabine, it's not Mary
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Wednesday. It's we've talked about her in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's not the half Asian woman, is it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Is it? They are?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I know obviously need to go back and listen to all.
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  Speaker 1: That's so exciting. Yeah, it is exciting. It's very exciting.
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  Speaker 1: People were very excited about the trailer, so in preparation
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  Speaker 1: for that, which is I think August, so you've got
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  Speaker 1: some time, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is
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  Speaker 1: Sandy and Samantha and welcome to Steffan Never Told You
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  Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. And welcome to another sub sub segment
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  Speaker 1: of Women Around the World, fictional women around the World
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  Speaker 1: and further Women Around a Galaxy Star Wars edition. Yes. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it's you know, good timing because as we record
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  Speaker 1: this as you hear it, if you're listening to it
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  Speaker 1: when it drops, as they say, we're entering like May
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  Speaker 1: the Fourth Be with You, Revenge of the Fifth all that.
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  Speaker 1: But we're recording this on April twenty sixth, which is
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  Speaker 1: Zeno Morph Day. So happy Zeno Morph Day. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what that is, but I'm gonna nod. Thank you Alien. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's Alien Day. Oh okay, so excited. The woman we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about is Sabine Wren, who we mentioned in
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  Speaker 1: our episode on Stine as a past wielder of the
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  Speaker 1: Dark Saber. So you can see that episode for more
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  Speaker 1: context about the Dark Sabers whole deal, because she did
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  Speaker 1: play a role, right and that whole thing. As per Hush, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna run through this and you know, Paul, if
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  Speaker 1: you have any questions, thoughts, concerns. This one did get
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  Speaker 1: complicated and it's kind of out of order, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it will make sense. I just got confused. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: I was tired when I did the first draft.
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  Speaker 2: Sabin is someone I kind of know because I did
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  Speaker 2: watch all Rebels as opposed to anything else. So that's
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  Speaker 2: she's the one that I do love because she has
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  Speaker 2: some Asian representation.
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  Speaker 1: And I love it.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, confuse me now that I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: know it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my goal. No, I think it will make sense.
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  Speaker 1: I think I just got a little That whole dark
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  Speaker 1: savory thing can really bog you down if you try
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  Speaker 1: to keep track of all that stuff. But anyway, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine was voiced by Tayas Takar, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: recently announced that Natasha U Bordizzo has been cast to
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  Speaker 1: play Hair in upcoming Star Wars live action stuff. My
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  Speaker 1: theory is she's going to train the Mandalorian how to
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  Speaker 1: use the dark Saber, but we'll see. Sabine Wren was
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  Speaker 1: a Mandalorian woman first introduced too many of us in
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  Speaker 1: the animated show Rebels, which took place in the Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars timeline a few years before the events Rogue One
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  Speaker 1: and a New Hope, and then a little after Return
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  Speaker 1: of the Jedi, just like a little peak. So Sabine
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  Speaker 1: is really into art and spray paint and went on
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  Speaker 1: to provide some inspiration for the symbol of the Alliance.
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  Speaker 1: She briefly became the owner of the Dark Saber. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: but let us step back. Sabine was born on Mandalor
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  Speaker 1: to Clan Wren of House Visla. Her mother Ursa, was
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  Speaker 1: a member of Death Watch during the time that Mandalor
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  Speaker 1: was in chaos after Satene's murder in the collapse of
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  Speaker 1: the new Mandalorian government towards the end of the Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 1: which we talked about in that Seteene episode, and it
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  Speaker 1: was a whole thing, So go check that one out
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  Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about that. Sabine's armor
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  Speaker 1: that she forged when she got older was very unique,
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  Speaker 1: and she inherited a night owl's helmet, which if you
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen Rebels, you saw it on the Mandalorian It's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of got like a distinct pattern on the helmet.
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  Speaker 1: She started her career at the Imperial Academy of Mandalor,
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  Speaker 1: where she followed orders without question, though she did study
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  Speaker 1: up on some distractor, which got her into some trouble.
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  Speaker 1: As part of her time there, she built weapons that
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  Speaker 1: she believed would be used for peace. It's kind of
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  Speaker 1: more complicated than that, but we'll say that she named
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  Speaker 1: one the Duchess after Satene and used best guard to
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  Speaker 1: reinforce it, which is a big no no. And this
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  Speaker 1: allowed for it to destroy best gar armor and thus
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  Speaker 1: the people wearing it Mandalorians, something that was viewed as
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  Speaker 1: blasphemous to Mandalorians and yes to her herror, these weapons
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  Speaker 1: were used against her people, including her family. This left
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  Speaker 1: her racked with guilts and she left Mandelor, an action
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  Speaker 1: that led to her being branded as a trader by
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  Speaker 1: the Empire and by her mother, father, and brother, who
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  Speaker 1: her mother was the leader of Clan Wren. Her family
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  Speaker 1: paid a price for her desertion. Her father was held
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  Speaker 1: hostage by the Empire, while her mother and brother had
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  Speaker 1: to prove their loyalty by serving the Empire. Sabine was
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  Speaker 1: able to destroy the weapon she created, but the Empire
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  Speaker 1: was able to rebuild it using her research. For a while,
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  Speaker 1: she worked as a bounty hunter alongside Catsuit on Youo,
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  Speaker 1: but she was eventually recruited to be a member of
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  Speaker 1: the Ghost Crew by Harris and Doulah and Jedi Canaan
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  Speaker 1: are Caleb from Bad Patch? Why is Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Why is he Caleb and Canaan? Because I was very confused.
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  Speaker 2: I keep saying the two different names, and I was
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  Speaker 2: very confused.
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  Speaker 1: He's he kind of did a whole like, I'm leaving
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  Speaker 1: this identity behind. I'm becoming someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Uh oh, okay, So he just changed his name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, pretty much. Simple. Yeah, I know that
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  Speaker 1: confused me too, don't.
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  Speaker 2: Is it the same person or is it not?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, it is unless they're going to pull some
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  Speaker 1: wild twists. Spoiler dead It's it's tragic. I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about that. I guess I should have
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  Speaker 1: put a spoiler alert. I spoiler alert for rebels because
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  Speaker 1: some men wori and stuff. But yes, Harrison, Doula and
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  Speaker 1: Jedi Canaan Jerris. She joins up with them after her
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  Speaker 1: and Anyo had a falling out. Through this the being
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  Speaker 1: fought with them against the Empire, and she used her
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  Speaker 1: art to inspire hope and rebellion. She was on the
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  Speaker 1: Empire's Most Wanted List and was known as the Artist,
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  Speaker 1: and on the Ghost she was spect her five. So
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting because a lot of these characters we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about from these shows everybody hated in the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody hated Ahsoka in the beginning. People didn't like it
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  Speaker 1: Saban because they thought she was like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like being into art makes her not interesting or it's
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  Speaker 1: very silly. Yeah, it didn't make any sense. But most
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  Speaker 1: of these characters did end up becoming fan favorites. But
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that was interesting because I hadn't heard
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  Speaker 1: actually of that kind of controversy of like, but she's
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  Speaker 1: a painter, Okay, interesting, interesting critique. Sabin and the Ghost
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  Speaker 1: Crew went on all kinds of missions and caused all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of mischief, framing some enslaved peoples, going undercover as
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  Speaker 1: an imperial to recruit pilots like Wedge Antilles, inspiring people.
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  Speaker 1: So being surprised, Yeah, she really did inspire people with
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  Speaker 1: her art. There were reunions, betrayals. Working with Leah or Ghana.
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  Speaker 1: That was cool. Running into IG eighty eight when she
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  Speaker 1: was attempting to track down Darth Maul. The one time
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  Speaker 1: ruler of Mandelor. She comes across the Dark Saber on Dathimir,
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  Speaker 1: the planet of the Knight Sisters. At first, she avoided
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  Speaker 1: the responsibility that comes with the Dark Saber leading a
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  Speaker 1: planet and a people, because again, have you win some combat,
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  Speaker 1: then you're supposed to rule this planet and lead the
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  Speaker 1: people of Mandalor. But another Mandalorian and Canaan, convinced her
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  Speaker 1: to train with it to unite the Mandalorians and convince
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  Speaker 1: them to join the rebellion against the Empire. She convinced
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  Speaker 1: her family that the Empire screwed them over and helped
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  Speaker 1: them kill the Imperial by story of Mandelor Gar Saxon,
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  Speaker 1: though she's said this in the exchange. He said, I'll
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  Speaker 1: never yield to you, girl. You'll have to kill me,
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  Speaker 1: And she said that might be the Mandalorian way, but
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  Speaker 1: it's not my way, not anymore. It's true dramatic. It
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  Speaker 1: was dramatic stuff. She supported her family during the Mandalorian
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  Speaker 1: Civil War before returning to the Ghost Crew just in
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  Speaker 1: time for Yes Caanaan to die, though she still helps
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  Speaker 1: free the planet Lothal where he died. Before Canaan died, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: she did train with him in Ezra in order to
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  Speaker 1: wield the Dark Saber, something she resented due to the
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  Speaker 1: baggage of her family and Mandalore, and she's just besieged
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  Speaker 1: with self doubt. She is gifted with some anti Jedi
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  Speaker 1: weapons and is able to beat Ezra, but is defeated
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  Speaker 1: by Canaan, who tells her that while those weapons might
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  Speaker 1: help her, then my binies. She needs a lot more training.
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  Speaker 1: She admits to Ezra she doesn't want responsibilities of the
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  Speaker 1: Dark Saber, that she was disgraced to her family. Canaan
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  Speaker 1: and Sabin are able to work more effectively on her training,
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  Speaker 1: and she confronts long hidden emotions back she felt about
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  Speaker 1: working the Empire, abandoning it, her family's estrangement, and how
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  Speaker 1: she hurt her planet through this. She is able to
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  Speaker 1: master the Dark Saber. So again, as we said, that's
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  Speaker 1: a teen one, the Kyber Crystal, you have to work
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  Speaker 1: with it. You have to otherwise you're just fighting against
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  Speaker 1: it and it's never never gonna work correctly for you.
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  Speaker 1: After her success, she reunites and reconciles with her family,
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  Speaker 1: though they first attacked her. Her mother was a hard cell,
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  Speaker 1: expressing disappointment that her daughter joined the rebellion, and that
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  Speaker 1: the Dark Saber is just a symbol. And on top
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  Speaker 1: of that, because she found it and didn't win it
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  Speaker 1: in a fight, she doesn't have a rightful claim to it,
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  Speaker 1: which is that whole thing that's going on right now.
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  Speaker 1: She said she was disappointed in how Sabine had turned
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  Speaker 1: out who. Sabine discovers her mom is planning on selling
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  Speaker 1: out her Jedi friends and the Dark Saber to the
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  Speaker 1: Empire and Clan Saxon. However, Clan Saxon sold her, her mother,
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  Speaker 1: and the family out for being traders. With the help
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  Speaker 1: of the Jedi and some allies, the family come together
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  Speaker 1: to fight Clan Saxon. Sabine briefly wielding a lightsaber. This
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  Speaker 1: is when she refuses to kill her challenger in the
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  Speaker 1: dramatic quote from above, as is Mandalorian tradition, but her
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  Speaker 1: mother does it instead to protect her. Through this, she
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  Speaker 1: gained the respect of her family. She stayed behind to
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  Speaker 1: help find the true leader of Mandalor. Clan Wren later
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  Speaker 1: provides support to the rebels, in part because her mother
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  Speaker 1: was moved by the loyalty the friends had to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Sabine and her brother rescue her family in Sabine Joy's
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  Speaker 1: forces with bau Katan krees Ah to destroy the weapons
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  Speaker 1: Sabine created once and for all. Sabine is captured and
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  Speaker 1: pressured to instead enhance the weapon, but she programs it
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  Speaker 1: to target stormtrooper armor instead. Sabine gave Bokatan the Dark Saber,
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  Speaker 1: assuring her that she was the rightful leader, and the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorians who witnessed this pledged their allegiance to Theo Katan.
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  Speaker 1: After that, the crew of the Ghost joined up on
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  Speaker 1: Yavin with the Rebellion at large. They partnered with Sagara
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  Speaker 1: for a minute, uh and they were involved in that
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  Speaker 1: whole battle. And then at the end of Rebels, she
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  Speaker 1: joins up with Ahsoka to go look for Ezra who
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  Speaker 1: went missing in wild Space with Throng. So yeah, see
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  Speaker 1: how that goes.
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  Speaker 2: So this is supposed to be right before we see
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  Speaker 2: Darth Mall.
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  Speaker 1: No, Darth Gideon.
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  Speaker 2: Who is that dude from Mendelorian Moth Gideon Ythskidia so close?
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  Speaker 2: Who has the Dark Sab? So this is after that
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  Speaker 2: is before then, right because Bogaton lost it to him, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and Bogaton was trying to go back and get it
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  Speaker 2: for the Mandalorian.
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  Speaker 1: Guide instead, Yes, exactly, And I believe they actually haven't
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  Speaker 1: really detailed how she lost it. They've talked about it,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think I think they're going to do
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  Speaker 1: a bigger thing.
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  Speaker 2: So they tinted at it, but they never really fully say.
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  Speaker 2: We just know she's really angry, and then she fills
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  Speaker 2: the after a man Lurian gets it and didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what to do. Yeah, you can't take it a second
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  Speaker 2: time as a gift because she already took it one
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  Speaker 2: time as a gift.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So that's kind of the bigger why she was
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  Speaker 1: so mad is because so being gave it to her,
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to win it in combat. Technically, Sabine didn't
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  Speaker 1: win it in combat either. She found it, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a further insult to injury that she
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  Speaker 1: lost it to an Imperial moth Gideon in a fight.
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  Speaker 1: So he won it, but she kind of there's kind
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  Speaker 1: of this talk around like the reason that happened is
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  Speaker 1: because they didn't do it correctly in the first place,
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  Speaker 1: and so that's why she was so determined it has
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  Speaker 1: to go this way. I will not do this again.
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  Speaker 1: No one will respect me, you know, one will follow
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  Speaker 1: my leadership and then what's already happened right then the
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  Speaker 1: Mandalorian gets it. I think, I don't know, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be interesting. There's a lot, a lot of threads that
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  Speaker 1: play here, right give it to Groogu. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: that would be interesting though. That's how he did.
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  Speaker 2: For a second, Yogu has his own lightsaber, right, but
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  Speaker 2: then he gave it out, he.
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  Speaker 1: Gave it up. I think I have a theory that
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  Speaker 1: because I said the person tarbi Isla who made the
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  Speaker 1: Dark Savior was the first Jedi Mandalorian. So I think
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  Speaker 1: they're going to do something like that with Grogu. But
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know going to be a Mandalorian. Now, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: he took the he took the armor. God, is that
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  Speaker 1: what that means? Yeah? I think I mean he shows
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  Speaker 1: that path. I don't know that means they're gonna like
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  Speaker 1: teach him to be or going to die. He's gonna
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  Speaker 1: die either way, because no, onen't really no, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: turn out well for anybody's about That's.
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  Speaker 2: Why so many, so many spoiler alerts. I apologize this
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  Speaker 2: has been a conversation that Annie and I have had before,
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  Speaker 2: so therefore I'm trying to catch up again.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so.
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  Speaker 2: My bad for that ending.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not good. I have so many thoughts I
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  Speaker 1: want to like really vent about some of my theories
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  Speaker 1: and thoughts. So I'm into it. I will say one
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  Speaker 1: thing I love about Sabine. She's pretty, like, she's cool,
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  Speaker 1: and she's easy to She's very friendly and easy to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you. I really love for her in Ahsoka's friendship. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like that they had each other's backs and she
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  Speaker 1: liked Sabine was like, no, I'll go with you.
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  Speaker 2: Sabine was one of my favorite characters thus far. Again,
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  Speaker 2: good representation. Yeah, b she wasn't just waiting for Ezra
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  Speaker 2: to come about. She was kind of leading that movement
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  Speaker 2: on her own.
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  Speaker 1: So I appreciated that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a badass, And just because she's just s
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  Speaker 2: graffiti doesn't mean I don't know why that in the
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  Speaker 2: Gates her anymore would have been different if she had
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  Speaker 2: been the brother who had been that character.
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  Speaker 1: I think so, I personally think so. The people were
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  Speaker 1: complaining about how she changed the hair hair color, and
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  Speaker 1: of like, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She's galgalctically punk.
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  Speaker 1: So I think she's got a lot of good character arcs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we really ran through a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: in there, a lot of drama. So yeah, I am
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  Speaker 1: interested to see the live action representation of her and
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  Speaker 1: how it goes and see what happens in the story.
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  Speaker 1: But well, in the meantime, Ahsoka is next. I promise,
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  Speaker 1: I promise, But this is the end of our sub
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