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- 0:00Josh: There's a chip being built right now in California that the founders of OpenAI
- 0:03Josh: believe is so important that getting access to it could decide who builds AGI first.
- 0:07Josh: In fact, the co-founder of OpenAI just testified last week that he and Ilyas
- 0:11Josh: Zizgever calculated it would take 15 years to build AGI until they discovered
- 0:15Josh: this hardware that could get them there in just five.
- 0:18Josh: The name of this company is called Cerebris and they're actually going public tomorrow.
- 0:22Ejaaz: For the longest time, it has been a unanimous consensus of who the king of AI is.
- 0:27Ejaaz: It's been NVIDIA and they've own the entire moat on AI, AI chips specifically.
- 0:32Ejaaz: And this moat has made them famous and pretty valuable.
- 0:36Ejaaz: They are worth $5.3 trillion, the most valuable company in the world.
- 0:40Ejaaz: But with success, there's a double-edged sword.
- 0:42Ejaaz: And it highlighted a bunch of constraints that NVIDIA GPUs couldn't really fix.
- 0:47Ejaaz: One of these constraints is something known as inference.
- 0:49Ejaaz: GPUs that NVIDIA create aren't as hyper-optimized towards that.
- 0:54Ejaaz: And that is the issue that Cerebris focuses on specifically.
- 0:57Ejaaz: They create these chips which generate lightning-fast inference.
- 1:01Ejaaz: What this means is if your AI models run on these Cerebrus chips,
- 1:04Ejaaz: they are lightning quick.
- 1:06Ejaaz: And in the current AI industry, we're heading towards a world where inference
- 1:09Ejaaz: is valued and matters way more than AI training for models.
- 1:14Ejaaz: In fact, it's estimated to be 10 to 50x as large by JP Morgan in their latest report.
- 1:19Ejaaz: So the point is, if Cerebrus' chips can fulfill that constraint found for inference
- 1:24Ejaaz: for AI models specifically, this could be the first real threat that NVIDIA faces on their own.
- 1:30Josh: Okay, so let's talk about briefly, before we get into the IPO,
- 1:33Josh: what makes Cerebris so special, so different? Because clearly there's some novel architecture here.
- 1:37Josh: Perhaps we can use this describing it as the pizza problem where
- 1:40Josh: every chip you've ever owned it kind of starts the same way it takes the
- 1:43Josh: silicon wafer about the size of a dinner plate here
- 1:46Josh: that i have for scale so it's this big giant thing
- 1:49Josh: and it gets cut into a series of tiny little chips that goes into your iphone or
- 1:52Josh: your ipod or your macbook or whatever it is but cerebris
- 1:55Josh: decided to question that they said what if you don't cut the pizza what
- 1:58Josh: if the whole pizza is the chip and that's exactly what they
- 2:01Josh: did they just took that giant wafer and instead of chopping it
- 2:03Josh: up into smaller chips they just created it all in one big
- 2:06Josh: thing and they had this breakthrough that allowed them to fit
- 2:09Josh: 1.2 trillion transistors on
- 2:12Josh: a single wafer as opposed to someone like nvidia who currently
- 2:15Josh: has 21.5 billion and we could see the
- 2:18Josh: discrepancies on the screen here it is a huge amount of
- 2:21Josh: additional compute that you could put on a single chip now what does that result
- 2:24Josh: in because the information doesn't have to travel as far the chip is able to
- 2:27Josh: access it all so much faster so they put all the memory on the chip all the
- 2:31Josh: processes on the chip and the result is just significantly faster AI that works
- 2:35Josh: for the entire stack between inference all the way up to pre training.
- 2:39Josh: And this is a really huge win for for a lot of the industry.
- 2:42Josh: It's a big breakthrough.
- 2:42Ejaaz: And it's not just a theoretical concept, is it either? Like so OpenAI,
- 2:46Ejaaz: about probably like six months ago, invested $10 billion into their company,
- 2:52Ejaaz: and they acquired the rights to basically take over all their chip designs and
- 2:55Ejaaz: use it for OpenAI models specifically.
- 2:58Ejaaz: And we've seen that manifest in their existing models.
- 3:01Ejaaz: So OpenAI has this like world leading coding AI model, right? It's called Codex.
- 3:05Ejaaz: But what most people don't know is there's a fast mode for Codex.
- 3:09Ejaaz: It's called a GPT Codex Spark.
- 3:12Ejaaz: And it is absolutely rapid. There's like near zero latency.
- 3:15Ejaaz: It's running on cerebrous chips. So the concept isn't a concept anymore.
- 3:19Ejaaz: It's proven at scale to work with these big models.
- 3:22Ejaaz: And if you are someone that is working on the frontier of software engineering
- 3:27Ejaaz: and, you know, every iteration cycle, the speed at which you design and ship software matters a lot.
- 3:32Ejaaz: Or if you're in financial services and you need to get that product out or make
- 3:35Ejaaz: that trade, you need the fastest chips.
- 3:38Josh: So these chips are incredibly fast. I mean, we're talking 50 times
- 3:42Josh: more data on a chip than some of the nvidia chips but the
- 3:45Josh: result is that it's very expensive these chips are not cheap to
- 3:48Josh: make the good thing is is that money doesn't seem to be a problem
- 3:51Josh: when it comes to a lot of these ai companies and open ai
- 3:54Josh: has committed to what 10 to 20 billion dollars already
- 3:57Josh: and this is taking us to the headline news of the day which is the ipo the company
- 4:01Josh: that everyone is super excited about in terms of accelerating the rate that
- 4:05Josh: we get to agi is actually going public and the numbers are pretty big i mean
- 4:08Josh: this is a big deal this is the first AI hardware company to really go public
- 4:12Josh: as we're going on this parabolic trajectory.
- 4:15Josh: And I think the numbers are going to get pretty staggering in a very quick way.
- 4:19Ejaaz: Yeah. So to give some context on this, about a week and a half ago,
- 4:23Ejaaz: Cerebrus announces or basically files for their IPO.
- 4:26Ejaaz: And there's a prospectus that comes out, right, which explains basically,
- 4:29Ejaaz: you know, why they're raising and how much specifically they're going to raise.
- 4:32Ejaaz: A week and a half ago, that number was $3.5 billion that they were going to
- 4:36Ejaaz: raise. And the The price per share was roughly around $115.
- 4:41Ejaaz: Something happened immediately after that, though, which is they became 20x oversubscribed.
- 4:47Ejaaz: So there were 20 times more people that wanted to invest in this thing,
- 4:51Ejaaz: qualified, institutional, etc., for their IPO, such that they had to revise the terms, Josh.
- 4:56Ejaaz: So this ended up issuing 2 million more shares at a higher expensive price per share.
- 5:02Ejaaz: It's 150 bucks. So the total amount that they're raising is actually $4.8 billion,
- 5:07Ejaaz: call it $5 billion, $1.3 billion above what they were expecting to do,
- 5:11Ejaaz: which tells me that there is an insatiable amount of demand for this particular IPO.
- 5:16Ejaaz: Everyone's talking about SpaceX, they're talking about Anthropik and OpenAI's
- 5:19Ejaaz: potential IPOs later this year.
- 5:20Ejaaz: But this is one of the real IPOs that show that there's a huge demand in the West for AI companies.
- 5:26Ejaaz: And it's exciting to see because this is the first of many.
- 5:29Josh: Yeah, well, we have Cerebris kicking things off. Then we have the rumor for
- 5:32Josh: SpaceX, OpenAI, Anthropik, Databricks, perhaps even Stripe.
- 5:37Josh: That's a combined potential $3.6 trillion in market cap that could be entering the market.
- 5:43Josh: And we have this hot ball of money. We just filmed an amazing episode last week
- 5:46Josh: about the AI stack and where every company kind of lines up and where the opportunities
- 5:49Josh: are for this new era of AI investing.
- 5:52Josh: And this sits very squarely right in the hardware era, right next to someone
- 5:57Josh: kind of like NVIDIA, right? Like they're not quite Nvidia's size.
- 5:59Josh: They're nowhere near Nvidia's size, but they're competing on the same kind of
- 6:02Josh: level, the same type of architecture that a company like Nvidia is just at a
- 6:06Josh: very different angle using these huge pizza-sized wafers.
- 6:09Ejaaz: Yeah, so what I put and want to make on the Nvidia thing specifically is,
- 6:13Ejaaz: okay, so there's one framing of this where if the Cerebrus IPO is successful,
- 6:17Ejaaz: it's the first real signal that Nvidia's monopoly on AI chips is actually going
- 6:23Ejaaz: to be threatened, right?
- 6:24Ejaaz: And this might sound like a crazy thing to say, right? It's a small company,
- 6:27Ejaaz: they're raising $5 billion versus NVIDIA's $5.3 trillion.
- 6:32Ejaaz: There's another company which proved that NVIDIA's mode might also be shakable, right?
- 6:36Ejaaz: And that is Google last week, who became the most valuable company.
- 6:40Ejaaz: I don't think they're currently the most valuable company, but they beat NVIDIA.
- 6:43Ejaaz: And the reason why they did that was because they released these brand new TPUs,
- 6:46Ejaaz: their version of their own GPUs, which they train their Gemini model on,
- 6:49Ejaaz: which so many customers, including Anthropic and OpenAI, want to use to train
- 6:53Ejaaz: and inference their own model.
- 6:55Ejaaz: So the point is, the ground is shifting beneath NVIDIA, even though they have
- 7:00Ejaaz: like decades and decades worth of experience building these GPUs,
- 7:03Ejaaz: there might still be valid, compatible threats against their particular mode.
- 7:09Ejaaz: The other thing I want to say is, and I mentioned this earlier,
- 7:12Ejaaz: inference versus training.
- 7:14Ejaaz: For the longest time, people have said AI training is where all the money is going to be.
- 7:19Ejaaz: And that's where NVIDIA has lived and breathed over the last decade.
- 7:22Ejaaz: But what has shifted recently is what matters more is what happens after the training.
- 7:27Ejaaz: How many people are going to be using agents that query the models.
- 7:31Ejaaz: Inference is where the money is going to be made, where the value of the opportunity
- 7:34Ejaaz: is going to be huge. And Cerebrus plays directly in that point.
- 7:37Ejaaz: NVIDIA actually proved this because they acquired another company called Grok
- 7:41Ejaaz: for $20 billion, which does something similar to what Cerebrus did.
- 7:45Ejaaz: So it's validating the fact that Cerebrus is going to be valuable and now the
- 7:49Ejaaz: public can get exposure to it. It's cool.
- 7:50Josh: And I have some older benchmarks about how fast Cerebrus runs versus the rest
- 7:54Josh: of the world. uh taking a model like llama for maverick uh cerebris was delivering
- 7:59Josh: at 2500 tokens per second which is more than two times nvidia's flagship blackwell chip
- 8:04Josh: And then if you lower it down to Llama 3.1, which is a $70 billion parameter
- 8:09Josh: model, it was 20 times faster than NVIDIA.
- 8:13Josh: So the actual rate that it's able to deliver these tokens is huge.
- 8:16Josh: And one of the most important things that we're seeing right now is kind of
- 8:19Josh: reasoning, chain of thought, deep thinking of these agents.
- 8:22Josh: And when you're able to deliver tokens at a much faster rate,
- 8:25Josh: you can get from the question to the answer much quicker.
- 8:28Josh: One of the new things that we've seen in Codex recently that has become super
- 8:31Josh: popular is the backslash goal command.
- 8:33Josh: Where you can set it a command it'll go off and think for 24
- 8:36Josh: 36 72 hours of time to
- 8:39Josh: collect enough information to get to a single answer this can
- 8:43Josh: make that process significantly quicker and therefore make agents
- 8:46Josh: much more capable so the reasoning speed in terms of inference in terms of delivering
- 8:50Josh: reasoning it's so important and although currently i believe fast mode on chat
- 8:55Josh: gpt is about 1.5 times the cost you have to suspect that that cost is going
- 8:59Josh: to go down at some point and that makes Cerebris a really compelling company.
- 9:03Josh: And I think that's what OpenA I saw when they made this huge investment in them.
- 9:06Josh: Now, Ijaz, I have to ask you, what are you thinking about this IPO?
- 9:09Josh: Is this something that you're interested in investing in?
- 9:11Ejaaz: It's a tricky one because my default answer is yes.
- 9:15Ejaaz: But if I want to like touch grass for a second to get off my eye holes...
- 9:20Ejaaz: The IPO is kind of already happening. It's just happening in the private market,
- 9:26Ejaaz: if that makes sense. Like, think about this, right?
- 9:28Ejaaz: NVIDIA, when they IPO'd, I believe was, they IPO'd at around $800 million.
- 9:33Ejaaz: That's million. It's under a billion dollars, right?
- 9:36Ejaaz: And currently we have like Cerebras, which, you know, they have one major customer
- 9:40Ejaaz: as OpenAI. They've proved the concept fair well, but they're raising $5 billion.
- 9:44Ejaaz: And this is all pre-IPO. So there's a lot of people that are making a lot of
- 9:49Ejaaz: money. we see this with the Anthropic secondary shares, OpenAI,
- 9:51Ejaaz: the same thing with SpaceX as well, before the actual IPO happened.
- 9:55Ejaaz: So the skeptics are saying, this is just going to be a retail liquidity event
- 9:59Ejaaz: where they're going to dump on retail and no one's going to really make any money after that.
- 10:03Ejaaz: I don't think there's a zero chance of that happening, but there is a chance.
- 10:07Ejaaz: Now, the bull case for this IPO is one specific reason, which is there is going
- 10:12Ejaaz: to be an insatiable demand for two things, Josh.
- 10:16Ejaaz: One is I need to use this AI to do things for me, whether it's agents or whether it's me prompting.
- 10:21Ejaaz: Actually, I'm more bullish on the agent side, but we can tap into that as a second thing.
- 10:25Ejaaz: Second thing is Cerebrus's chips has something very unique that NVIDIA chips can't get enough of.
- 10:32Ejaaz: And that's something called memory, specifically static random access memory.
- 10:37Ejaaz: It's a very unique type of memory, which Cerebrus installs into their chips.
- 10:42Ejaaz: And it's actually what makes them incredibly unique.
- 10:44Ejaaz: If you look at all the typical 99.9% of GPUs that people use,
- 10:49Ejaaz: they use this thing called high bandwidth memory.
- 10:52Ejaaz: It's composed of something known as dynamic random access memory.
- 10:54Ejaaz: It's kind of like the sister to static random access memory. It's cheaper.
- 10:58Ejaaz: It's more scalable. It's the sexier thing right now. It's what all the major
- 11:02Ejaaz: memory manufacturers have focused on for the last decade.
- 11:05Ejaaz: And that's what's being installed by default into these GPUs.
- 11:08Ejaaz: But there's one issue. They don't deliver the information that the memory stores
- 11:13Ejaaz: very effectively or quickly enough to allow these models to run very quickly.
- 11:18Ejaaz: Now, one solution to this is static random access memory, which Cerebris has
- 11:23Ejaaz: focused on for their entirety of their existence.
- 11:25Ejaaz: And they have perfected the design and installation method for their particular
- 11:29Ejaaz: chips. There's a reason why it looks so much larger.
- 11:32Ejaaz: You know, you used that dinner plate just now, Josh, versus the NVIDIA chips.
- 11:36Ejaaz: It is more expensive. You mentioned that the cost to use the things is more expensive.
- 11:40Ejaaz: But think about how much more value you could get by using quicker turns of your AI model.
- 11:45Ejaaz: You could end up having a super fast quant algorithm to trade your fund or to
- 11:49Ejaaz: deliver access to a product for millions of your different customers.
- 11:53Ejaaz: And that in itself might be worth billions and billions more than having a slower memory component.
- 11:59Ejaaz: So that is the clear distinction between them and what makes me the most bullish
- 12:02Ejaaz: on Cerebra's IPO specifically.
- 12:05Josh: Yeah, as I was reading about it earlier this morning, the SRAM versus DRAM conversation,
- 12:08Josh: one of the easiest ways that i was able to kind of differentiate between the
- 12:12Josh: two is an sram is much more similar to an ssd a solid state drive whereas dram
- 12:16Josh: is kind of similar to a htd a hard drive a hard disk drive something that has
- 12:20Josh: an actual needle where it has a lot more capacity but it's a bit slower meanwhile sram
- 12:25Josh: So long as there is power provided to it, it will retain that memory and information indefinitely.
- 12:30Josh: So in DRAM, one of the big problems that happens is there is this cache memory
- 12:34Josh: and it has to continue to refresh itself over and over because it's a very short shelf life.
- 12:38Josh: With SRAM, that shelf life is infinite and it can be stored as long as there's
- 12:43Josh: power and it can be recalled very quickly without that constant refresh.
- 12:46Josh: And that's the huge breakthrough. So it's a really compelling product that I
- 12:50Josh: think is very impressive and very necessary in this world. The only real other
- 12:55Josh: GPU architecture we've seen that has had success is Grok.
- 12:59Josh: And we saw what happened with them. They had an amazing exit and they are working
- 13:02Josh: now directly with NVIDIA.
- 13:04Josh: So this is the direct comparison. And for that reason, I think I'm pretty bullish
- 13:09Josh: on the company because...
- 13:10Josh: Essentially, Cerebrus is tied to OpenAI success. We know that both founders
- 13:15Josh: are actually invested personally.
- 13:17Josh: Greg Brockman and Sam Altman are both personally invested in the company.
- 13:21Josh: OpenAI is invested in the company. And OpenAI has every incentive in the world
- 13:25Josh: to scale with them and to grow with Cerebrus.
- 13:28Josh: That aligned with the fact that this is the first AI IPO we've really had in
- 13:33Josh: this chain that's going to kick things off.
- 13:34Josh: I expect there to be a lot of excitement, a lot of enthusiasm so long
- 13:37Josh: as the market continues to go up so long as these this token demand continues
- 13:41Josh: i see no reason why cerebrus wouldn't follow in that path and actually be somewhat
- 13:45Josh: successful i think i'd love for everyone who's watching to share their takes
- 13:49Josh: are you investing in the ipo why why not this is uh it's going to be a big conversation
- 13:53Josh: over the next coming weeks as we go through this another
- 13:55Ejaaz: Thing is like um okay it's one thing having a good product right it's another
- 13:59Ejaaz: thing like getting the right distribution now them signing this like 20 billion
- 14:03Ejaaz: uh partnership chip with OpenAI is good, right? You get access to, what do they have now?
- 14:08Ejaaz: Almost like a billion weekly active users or something crazy like that.
- 14:13Ejaaz: The other thing is their chips are integrated into Amazon's Bedrock platform.
- 14:19Ejaaz: I don't know if you knew this, Josh, but Amazon basically like owns the entire
- 14:23Ejaaz: enterprise compute market because they give access to every enterprise that
- 14:29Ejaaz: wants to spin up an AWS instance or get access to specific tools through AWS,
- 14:34Ejaaz: their Amazon web service.
- 14:36Ejaaz: Now, they run Cerebrus chips themselves there. So Cerebrus now has a distribution
- 14:40Ejaaz: mode through that, right?
- 14:41Ejaaz: So the point is, distribution is solved, the ingenuity of going zero to one
- 14:45Ejaaz: with SRAM is also solved, and they have the consumer mode being funneled through OpenAI.
- 14:50Ejaaz: So all of this sounds incredibly bullish, but I do want to touch on the bear
- 14:54Ejaaz: case for a very brief moment, right and i mentioned the first one um earlier
- 14:59Ejaaz: on which is the valuation.
- 15:00Ejaaz: Is pretty steep, right? The fact that they were 20x oversubscribed and they
- 15:03Ejaaz: just revised the terms in the last five days to give even more access is kind
- 15:08Ejaaz: of, I'm just like, so typically, just for those of you who don't know,
- 15:11Ejaaz: for the average IPO over the last, I think, five years, the price on IPO pops up between 30 to 80%.
- 15:19Ejaaz: So if you're a retailer, right, that wants to get involved here and like buy
- 15:23Ejaaz: this thing, you might be buying it for like a significant premium.
- 15:27Ejaaz: And these things tend to dump a little bit after the first couple of days.
- 15:30Ejaaz: And then, you know, whatever, it figures itself out. So the valuation is pretty steep.
- 15:34Ejaaz: The other thing I want to say is that OpenAI is also building their own silicon.
- 15:39Ejaaz: They have a deal with Broadcom, MediaTek, and a bunch of these other intermediaries
- 15:44Ejaaz: to design their own chip.
- 15:46Ejaaz: And Sam has specifically said that one of the major cases that he's trying to solve is inference.
- 15:51Ejaaz: So I'm kind of looking at this and I'm like, okay, so you've invested in this
- 15:54Ejaaz: company, you're going, you know, you're running their chips,
- 15:57Ejaaz: it's doing the thing, but you're also building your own custom silicon.
- 16:00Ejaaz: Now, granted, that's probably going to take years to try and figure out.
- 16:03Ejaaz: But is the idea that you eventually acquire kind of Cerebrus,
- 16:07Ejaaz: but they're IPOing, so I guess you can't really do this and merge them together?
- 16:10Ejaaz: Or are you going to eventually ditch them and they're like an intermediary solution?
- 16:13Ejaaz: And so Cerebrus might end up like losing this customer going down the road.
- 16:17Ejaaz: I don't know, but those are the two things that sound out for me.
- 16:19Josh: That's fair. Yeah, there's also they're trying to compete against the CUDA moat,
- 16:23Josh: which is i mean very powerful and very very strong
- 16:26Josh: as we know they also are i mean they're trading devaluation point
- 16:29Josh: 51 times revenue a lot of these larger ai companies are trading actually at
- 16:33Josh: fairly low multiples right now a lot of the major players in the mag 7 are are
- 16:37Josh: no more than like a 20 times revenue this is at 51 and there's also one interesting
- 16:41Josh: component where there is actually a memory ceiling currently on the chips where
- 16:45Josh: they're able to fit 44 gigabytes on a chip and currently,
- 16:48Josh: that's unbelievable, but it requires a lot more
- 16:52Josh: Innovation if they're going to continue to scale to provide
- 16:55Josh: inference for multi-modality and for video
- 16:58Josh: models or for ultra long context there's going to need to be
- 17:01Josh: continued innovation and i think that the ceiling is not quite as clear like
- 17:07Josh: we're not quite clear where this can go to we know it's incredible now i'm not
- 17:11Josh: sure people really know where that's going to go to that's perhaps a longer
- 17:13Josh: term problem that's not something that would really impact the company short
- 17:17Josh: term but it is something to be noteworthy of.
- 17:19Josh: I mean, this is, it's an amazing technology. It's like in your computer,
- 17:22Josh: if you have your RAM and your hard drive,
- 17:25Josh: as separate components, this merges them into one. And now everything is so
- 17:28Josh: much faster because of it.
- 17:29Josh: And the unlock that has for generating tokens, which is the single most important
- 17:33Josh: thing that we do, is huge.
- 17:34Josh: So I think as a company, Cerebris is something to be very excited about.
- 17:38Josh: This is going to be a fascinating use case or a fascinating case study as they
- 17:42Josh: go public this week to see what that type of impact has on the market.
- 17:44Josh: And overall, I'm feeling really excited for some bullish innovation.
- 17:47Josh: I mean, Cerebris is a huge unlock in the world of AI.
- 17:51Josh: Sam and Greg saw it first. The rest of the world is going to see it this week
- 17:53Josh: as they go public. And we'll see what the downstream effects of it are.
- 17:56Ejaaz: I mean, it's the first domino of many, right? I think another obvious reason
- 18:01Ejaaz: why it's getting a lot of attention is like, it's AI summer, right?
- 18:04Ejaaz: We've got a bunch of cool IPOs that are coming up.
- 18:07Ejaaz: You know, I've got a graphic here, which is actually severely outdated.
- 18:11Ejaaz: It's funny, it values Anthropik's IPO as being around $230 billion.
- 18:15Ejaaz: And I'm like, have you looked at the secondary market for their shares recently?
- 18:19Ejaaz: They're selling at like at a trillion dollar valuation. People are literally
- 18:22Ejaaz: leasing their homes out to be able to like fund like a purchase of Anthropic secondary shares.
- 18:26Ejaaz: It's pretty crazy out there. But the point being is you've got SpaceX.
- 18:30Ejaaz: You've got Open Air, you've got ByteDance from China, you've got Anthropic that
- 18:33Ejaaz: are all planning to IPO this year.
- 18:36Ejaaz: There is a lot of money that's going to be entering the market.
- 18:39Ejaaz: Some of it will be net new coming in from retail, coming in from funds that
- 18:43Ejaaz: don't typically invest in these things.
- 18:44Ejaaz: But a lot of it is going to come from alternative types of companies.
- 18:48Ejaaz: Now, we've seen signals of where this is going to come from.
- 18:51Ejaaz: Whenever, for example, whenever Anthropic announces a new product or feature
- 18:55Ejaaz: that replaces a certain segment or industrial sector, you see the top market
- 19:00Ejaaz: cap stocks of those sectors dump as they've tweeted the announcement out, right?
- 19:04Ejaaz: So it might be like SaaS companies are cooked or whatever that might be,
- 19:08Ejaaz: but it'll be interesting to see the market dynamics because I think there'll
- 19:11Ejaaz: be a lot of money sloshing around into these big IPOs.
- 19:14Ejaaz: And then the major question that skeptics have is,
- 19:17Ejaaz: They don't think there's enough money. And this might be, you know,
- 19:20Ejaaz: the popping of the bubble metaphorically or financially.
- 19:23Ejaaz: We might see a bunch of these like crash after the liquidity event.
- 19:26Ejaaz: That's more of the bad case, but I'm choosing to remain bullish on this because
- 19:30Ejaaz: I think the demand is pretty insatiable, right?
- 19:33Ejaaz: Today, OpenAI announced like a huge partnership with enterprise for deployed engineers.
- 19:39Ejaaz: Anthropic did the same thing five days ago. So they're generating highest revenues.
- 19:42Ejaaz: Like Anthropic hit 45 billion ARR. they're aiming to hit 100 by the end of the year.
- 19:47Ejaaz: These aren't made up numbers. So, you know, I'm excited about it.
- 19:51Josh: Unbelievable businesses. And yeah, I think to your point, there may be some
- 19:54Josh: liquidity issues as we get to IPO number four, five, and six.
- 19:58Josh: This is the smallest of all or among the smallest of all of them that's happening.
- 20:01Josh: So I'm not exactly concerned about that yet, but it's going to be a crazy year.
- 20:05Josh: And this will certainly set some sort of a precedent for how the market considers IPOs.
- 20:10Ejaaz: Are you buying some of this tomorrow? I have to ask you.
- 20:12Josh: You know what? I think it'll depend on how it trades. I probably won't buy it
- 20:16Josh: at the open. Maybe wait a little bit.
- 20:18Ejaaz: You're going to wait for that 30 to 80% premium?
- 20:22Josh: I think the answer is yes. Like, I feel like I should, I should participate
- 20:25Josh: at least in a small amount in an IPO like this, because even if it is overpriced
- 20:29Josh: on the short term, it'll reprice itself over the next few weeks.
- 20:32Josh: And I feel like six months from now, this company will produce better products than it does today.
- 20:37Josh: And the same will also be true 12 months from now. So I'm not much of a trader. I'm more of an investor.
- 20:42Josh: This is a compelling investment. And I could also see a world in which it does
- 20:45Josh: get acquired or a majority of it does wind up getting bought out by another
- 20:49Josh: company. It's just incredibly important infrastructure.
- 20:51Josh: It seems valuable. We saw what happened with Grok. We might have an opportunity
- 20:54Josh: to actually participate in it again with Cerebris.
- 20:56Josh: I'm feeling bullish. I'm feeling like I want to get in the mix.
- 20:59Josh: I think I want to get involved a little bit.
- 21:01Ejaaz: Same. Hey, I'm down to buy NVIDIA at under a $10 billion valuation.
- 21:08Ejaaz: If it even achieves one of 10% of NVIDIA's market cap, that would be a win.
- 21:13Ejaaz: So yeah, I'm excited to see how this plays out.
- 21:15Josh: Yeah. Assuming that thesis holds up where we continue used to need tokens and
- 21:19Josh: those tokens were able to generate a profit, the people who can distribute and
- 21:22Josh: produce those tokens faster than everyone else will win.
- 21:24Josh: And I think that is a valid enough thesis to have me convinced.
- 21:28Josh: But to the listener, to everyone out there who has just watched 20 minutes of
- 21:32Josh: this episode, do you agree?
- 21:33Josh: Are you participating in Cerebris? Is this overpriced? Is it underpriced?
- 21:36Josh: Is it stupid? Should we even be investing or considering?
- 21:39Josh: Let us know in the comments down below. If you enjoyed this video,
- 21:41Josh: please don't forget to share with your friends. Ija, any final parting thoughts?
- 21:44Ejaaz: I'm actually curious whether the listeners of the show enjoyed this episode,
- 21:48Ejaaz: we do various different types of investment ones, the ones that we did last
- 21:51Ejaaz: week on the AI info stack got so much attention.
- 21:55Ejaaz: And we're going to do a follow up episode on that just we heard we read all
- 21:58Ejaaz: your comments, we're going to do it.
- 21:59Ejaaz: But on something like this, like, is this something that's interesting?
- 22:02Ejaaz: Do you want to hear about upcoming IPOs? I'm curious to hear from you guys.
- 22:05Ejaaz: But aside for that, I think we're all good.