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Kenny Omega - AEW in Japan - AEW Women's Resurgence · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
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  Speaker 1: Ignition with the AEW Fanhubb podcast team. We have a
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  Speaker 1: lot to talk about. First of all, hope everybody had
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  Speaker 1: a great Hanka Christmas and happy New Year. We've not
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: donned Ignition for a couple of weeks. This is our
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  Speaker 1: first one back. But let's talk about Russell Dynasty and
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  Speaker 1: Russell Kingdom. Could you kind of agree though that there
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  Speaker 1: were some positives and negatives or do you feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm totally off base.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I'd say that we're both. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was kind of down the middle.
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  Speaker 1: For me.
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  Speaker 2: There were some definite, definite surprises, especially at Russell Dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: They had the roh undefeated women's champion take a pin.
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  Speaker 2: I could not believe that she lost.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know she got hit.
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  Speaker 2: In the head with a bat, but yeah, that surprised
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  Speaker 2: the shit out of them. I was like, there's no
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  Speaker 2: way that the thing is gonna be the one to
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  Speaker 2: take the pin.
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  Speaker 1: I figured it.
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  Speaker 2: Would be it would be one of the young women,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know who, but it really surprised
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  Speaker 2: me that the thena took the pin.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so what did you guys feel about that though,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be honest with you, I liked it
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  Speaker 1: because it was different.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say I didn't like it. I just think
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of really surprising. I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I seen the bat hit the head and then she
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  Speaker 2: went down. I'm thinking, there's no way she's undefeated. She's
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  Speaker 2: never loved and how long she's been in roh and
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  Speaker 2: she's not lost, and then she took that pin. But
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  Speaker 2: it does play into the storyline this building. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: believe it was I believe it was Secla that gave
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  Speaker 2: the bat. I think she's the one that carried the
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  Speaker 2: bat to the ring.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was a good way to get her
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  Speaker 3: a loss and not make her look weak. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: People are upset because it wasn't on the main card.
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  Speaker 3: It was basically a zero hour match, what we would
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  Speaker 3: call it an aw that buck. People are not But
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  Speaker 3: eventually she's gonna have to lose some and this is
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  Speaker 3: a great way to start this feud. You new storylines
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  Speaker 3: for a reason, and this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is we are We are going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about this particular storyline later on, but let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about more of Russell Dynasty. I'm gonna ask you a question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm and ask everybody a question. Here we had Russell Kingdom,
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  Speaker 1: we had Russell Dynasty. There were quite a number of
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  Speaker 1: belts up for grabs, and AW walked out with some belts.
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  Speaker 1: Here we had Takeshta winning winning a belt that he
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  Speaker 1: didn't have previously. We had Mercedes Monett with a belt
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't have previously. We had oh gosh, the
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  Speaker 1: Young Bucks wont a belt that they hadn't had previously.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you guys think about that? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's it was kind of like forbidden door for where
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  Speaker 1: I mean New Japan. They did retain Jack Perry did
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  Speaker 1: not win a belt. Of course, Zach Saber Junior made
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  Speaker 1: event that Russell Dynasty against Ricochet and he did not
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  Speaker 1: lose his belt. So I mean they the least New
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  Speaker 1: Japan retained a couple. But were you surprised that AW
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  Speaker 1: wrestlers went into went into Japan the Tokyo Dome and
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  Speaker 1: walked out with belts.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't surprised, but it seems a little unfair in
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  Speaker 4: a way because when they come here, the same thing happens.
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  Speaker 4: Just about all of the a w wrestlers win here,
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  Speaker 4: so it seems like it could be a little more
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  Speaker 4: even and not everybody in aaw kind of goes away
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  Speaker 4: goes home with the belt. I had felt like some
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  Speaker 4: of the Japanese wrestlers maybe could have retained or could
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  Speaker 4: have won and you know, in a few of those
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  Speaker 4: matches and it would have been okay, and then maybe
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  Speaker 4: you know, a good way to start some feuds where
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  Speaker 4: they come here to get those belts back. That would
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  Speaker 4: have been interesting, you know, like we're gonna come get you.
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  Speaker 3: So it would have been interesting in my opinion, for
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  Speaker 3: Stay and Dustin to lose and then gain it back
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  Speaker 3: on r O Hdow or something like that as that
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  Speaker 3: as well. But I was rooting for Mena to win,
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  Speaker 3: but I knew in my heart of heart that she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't gonna win, so right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, signing with New Japan that didn't surprise me at all.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the bucks that that kind of man.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of figured the in it they're gonna win it,
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  Speaker 2: but they they have kind of the same thing as
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Omega does with New Japan. That was where they
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  Speaker 2: kind of came up. So getting them the titles for
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  Speaker 2: over there that doesn't surprise me a bit.
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  Speaker 1: I have two theories that I'd like to reveal to
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  Speaker 1: you guys and see if you think I'm being an
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  Speaker 1: idiot or if you may agree with me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe halfway or whatever. Theory one, like I said, there's
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  Speaker 1: two theory one and let me go ahead with both
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  Speaker 1: of the theories and then we'll discuss. Theory one is
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  Speaker 1: that New Japan Pro Wrestling is in trouble and they
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  Speaker 1: really need a w t H two kind of get
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  Speaker 1: them out of the out of the out of the
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  Speaker 1: dul drums, I guess is the best way to put it,
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  Speaker 1: make them financially stable. For some reason, I think that
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  Speaker 1: Japan just isn't what New Japan used to be, and
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  Speaker 1: that probably has a lot to do with AW, because
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  Speaker 1: AW has taking some of their better wrestlers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jay White, kauz Ushko Kata, you know, you're you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about losing people that were big deals and then of
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  Speaker 1: course you have Tanahashi retiring and injuries that they've suffered,
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  Speaker 1: which happened. So yeah, I mean, you're looking a little
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  Speaker 1: bit weaker now, is far. So that's one of the things.
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  Speaker 1: The second thing is we're talking about a partnership that's
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  Speaker 1: been going on for over three years now with between
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  Speaker 1: AW and New Japan. And my second theory revolves around
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  Speaker 1: that partnership being joy joy, happy, happy, we love you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for having us, and we'll come to America
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  Speaker 1: and come to Forbidden Door lose because we love you
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  Speaker 1: so much. I think that's going to be changing. This
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  Speaker 1: is again a theory because I think they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: add some heat between AW and DO Japan. Now it's
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  Speaker 1: a work, but I believe that they're trying to add
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  Speaker 1: some heat. And I'll give you a example. Chris Carlton,
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  Speaker 1: the English announcer for Dow Japan, was suspended for saying
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  Speaker 1: disparaging things about Tony Kahan and all Elite Wrestling, particularly
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  Speaker 1: their wrestlers. I'm sorry, but that didn't seem too serious
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  Speaker 1: to me. I thought from the very get go that
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  Speaker 1: it was the same. It wasn't even the same, because
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad as some of the things that
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  Speaker 1: Nigel McGinnis has said. But I think it was a work.
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  Speaker 1: And look, yeah they suspended him for whatever, something like
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  Speaker 1: a month or two months, but hey, it's English broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: They probably don't have it. They don't even probably don't
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  Speaker 1: even have to use them for another two months. It's
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  Speaker 1: not like he's missing anything. So that being said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of thinking that this is a work. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think about these two series, these two theories that
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  Speaker 1: I've presented.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with your first theory. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: been an issue ever since. I don't It just seems
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  Speaker 2: like they did. AW didn't steal these guys away from them.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to leave because New Japan has been taking
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  Speaker 2: hits everywhere and that was kind of why Kenny said
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  Speaker 2: when he talked about coming back in his first match
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  Speaker 2: was going to be against gay Kid in New Japan,
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  Speaker 2: that AW didn't need him right now. New Japan does,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's why the Bucks won. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's why Kenny was put over in such a great
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  Speaker 2: match with Gabe Kid, And I kind of think you're
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  Speaker 2: right the whole.
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  Speaker 1: Charge it down on them.
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  Speaker 3: That just it.
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  Speaker 2: It could be whatever it is, but fitting into what
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  Speaker 2: I know about the Japanese culture, it kind of fits
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  Speaker 2: that he says. So it sounds to me just from
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hear him say it, that part I missed,
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  Speaker 2: but from what I've read, everybody talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: They're all trying to make it a big deal that
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  Speaker 1: oh they did.
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  Speaker 2: I think that if if if he if he said it,
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  Speaker 2: and he wasn't supposed to say it, then it fits
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  Speaker 2: in perfectly. But it could be a work. It's hard
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  Speaker 2: to tell. Tony's good at working everybody anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody else with an opinion on this.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's what what New Japean needs is a
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  Speaker 3: little uh bad not bad vibes, but they need a
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  Speaker 3: little heel, heat, a little you know, we're better than you.
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  Speaker 3: You had to take, you know, how to take our
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  Speaker 3: stars to be even better. So wouldn't help you guys,
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  Speaker 3: you guys out. I think it mells together. What you
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  Speaker 3: saying is they need help. So this is how they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get help. And I think it can all be
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  Speaker 3: beneficial because right now they need something to pick them up,
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  Speaker 3: to get people's attention and get people washing it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hey, they need heat. This whole situation.
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  Speaker 1: We can't go to forbidden door four, well, for broaden
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  Speaker 1: door five, because Russell Dynasty and Russell Kingdom combined, we're
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  Speaker 1: definitely forbidden doorsh you know, when you look at it realistically,
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  Speaker 1: But going into Forbidden Door for Aw's for Forbidden Door four.
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  Speaker 1: We can't do the same thing over and over and
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  Speaker 1: over again having heatless beggar matches, you know. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: actually kind of hoping that I'm right and that this
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  Speaker 1: was the work, and maybe we'll get some actual wrestling
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  Speaker 1: stories going for Forbidden Door instead of it being as
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  Speaker 1: I've called it at the past, for Big Door, the
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  Speaker 1: great momentum killer for AW.
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  Speaker 4: I hope. So I hope that they're building up to
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  Speaker 4: something big. And I also look at the feeling that
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  Speaker 4: New Japan is in trouble. I've had that feeling for
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  Speaker 4: a while and I couldn't put my finger on why.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, when you said that AW kind of has
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  Speaker 4: a lot of their stars, that sums it up. I
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  Speaker 4: hope that they are putting putting a you know, pulling
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  Speaker 4: a trick, pulling everybody's leg. But what that announcer said,
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  Speaker 4: while maybe it wasn't any worse than something that like
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  Speaker 4: Nigel would say, I don't know necessarily if it's if
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  Speaker 4: that all is a work, maybe he was supposed to
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  Speaker 4: say something and he went too far because it almost
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  Speaker 4: seems like he is speaking ill of people that were
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  Speaker 4: guests in his home. He invited people there to insult them,
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  Speaker 4: and that's really not something that you do if you
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  Speaker 4: have good manners and tastes. So maybe he was just
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  Speaker 4: supposed to say one or two things and he just
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  Speaker 4: went off the rails. And I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: all saw it today, but Tony is involved in it
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  Speaker 4: now and I'm I'm like, this is getting crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So he meant that to.
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  Speaker 4: Svani, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Savani made a tweet and he deleted it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a it wasn't one of the best tweets
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  Speaker 1: in the world. I guess it's the best way to
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  Speaker 1: put it. I say one more thing here. You get
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  Speaker 1: it's really not a discussion topic, but it's just something
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  Speaker 1: that I want to say. And I'll even start by
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  Speaker 1: what I'm going to say with ask you. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of lot been said of declining ratings, declining attendance in
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  Speaker 1: AW over the past, you know, a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: It's not what it was. When did this start happening?
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  Speaker 1: When did this start happening? Was it twenty twenty four?
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  Speaker 1: Did it start happening in twenty twenty four? No, did
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  Speaker 1: it start happening in twenty twenty three? No, did it
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  Speaker 1: start happening in twenty twenty two? Arguably, yeah, when was
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  Speaker 1: the first Forbidden Door? I rest my case. Ever since
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  Speaker 1: AW got started wasting time, and I'm sorry it's a
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  Speaker 1: wasted time having banger matches and exhibitions on a pay
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  Speaker 1: per view. People don't care as much about New Japan,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because they're there are some that do, But
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  Speaker 1: generally speaking, you don't see people talking about New Japan
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  Speaker 1: as much as you see them talking about AWN WWE
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  Speaker 1: in this part of the world. You see what I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying here, So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Saying that, I gotta agree.
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  Speaker 1: You can't. You can't ruin.
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  Speaker 2: You can't ruin a whole year with one pay per view.
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  Speaker 2: It's not gonna, It's gotten. I don't think it has
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  Speaker 2: anything to do with that. I mean at that time
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  Speaker 2: in the summertime, maybe, But there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: fans that enjoy Forbidden Door for the simple fact is
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  Speaker 2: it's something that we've wanted for ever and never got.
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  Speaker 2: Before AEW came around, you didn't have Everybody wanted to
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  Speaker 2: see WCW versus WWE. That was the big thing everybody
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  Speaker 2: wanted to see.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't want.
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  Speaker 2: The they were you know, you had your WCW fans,
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  Speaker 2: You had your WW fans. The biggest draw we wanted
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  Speaker 2: was something between the two companies. Never happened, right, And
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: there are a ton of people. There are a ton
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  Speaker 2: of people in the United States that love New Japan.
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  Speaker 2: There are a ton of people in the United States
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  Speaker 2: that have no freaking clue what it is.
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  Speaker 1: And guess what. You pay attention to what you just said,
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  Speaker 1: and go back and actually read the comments of people
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  Speaker 1: who went away from WWE until there are so many
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  Speaker 1: people who said that they stop watching WWE when they
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: took over WCWCW, and they didn't start really watching wrestling again,
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  Speaker 1: older people obviously, until AW came along.
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  Speaker 4: I'm one of those people.
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  Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. You when when WWE took
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  Speaker 1: over WCW, they made the WWE made WCW wrestlers and
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  Speaker 1: championships and whatnot look absolutely positively worthless. He did, and
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  Speaker 1: that was that point. But that's exactly what ae W
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  Speaker 1: is doing to do Japan. They are making their wrestlers
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  Speaker 1: and their championships and they're challenging for a W championships
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  Speaker 1: look absolutely worthless.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed, And I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I don't like that because either
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  Speaker 4: I don't like that at all.
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  Speaker 1: I want to I so much wanted to watch Russell
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  Speaker 1: Dynasty and say, look at New Japan winning these belts.
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  Speaker 1: No they didn't. Zach Saber Junior defended a belt that
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  Speaker 1: he won the night previously at Russell Kingdom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was one more belt that that that
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  Speaker 1: was defended. Uh, the one that Jack Parry. I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember who Jack Perry russelled, but yeah, so they they
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  Speaker 1: defended that. But you had Mercedes Monet and Takeshta and
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  Speaker 1: the Young Bucks and you know, uh, the Dustin and Sammy.
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  Speaker 1: I'll walk out of there with bad more walk out
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  Speaker 1: of there with belts in some cases new belts, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just look, I love aw But man, I feel
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  Speaker 1: sorry for New Japan. I'm hoping that my second theory
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  Speaker 1: was right that they are building heat, because if they're not,
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  Speaker 1: If that is not the case and this isn't a work,
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  Speaker 1: will happen with Chris Carlton and all that stuff, boil boy,
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  Speaker 1: this is getting hard to watch. It really is getting
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  Speaker 1: hard to watch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Sorry, go ahead, I talked to that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope Kelson's second theory is true as well.
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  Speaker 5: I was really hoping that, like, because they need to
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  Speaker 5: do something with that Forbidden Door.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's the thing. I did not watch
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  Speaker 1: for Bid Door two. I did not watch Forbiden Door one.
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  Speaker 1: I bought Forbidden Door three, and I regretted it instantly.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely what I first, I don't think that was
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  Speaker 1: an aw pay per view. It was not a pay
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  Speaker 1: per view. It was it was a paid for exhibition
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  Speaker 1: match matches, and but if if you want to call
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  Speaker 1: it a pay per view, it was by far, by far,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, the worst pay per view I've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen ever, and I've seen a lot of pay per
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  Speaker 1: views in my time. I just have no interest in it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to see that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they needed to find a way to book better
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: because my my opinion that I don't think Mina had
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: to lose that belt. They could have worked a dusty
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: type finas where she kept it and whatever, some some
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: way to have her keep that title or something.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, then, yeah, we're gonna talk about Mercedes in
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  Speaker 1: a bit, but I I feel like it is how
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: do I put this, It is disrespectful of us who
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: have already talked for twenty minutes and have not talked
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  Speaker 1: about Kenny Omega. I don't know about you guys, And
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I was thinking going into
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  Speaker 1: this match, Kenny Omega, this is going to be just
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  Speaker 1: a really slow plotting, exhibition type match where you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there'll be a lot of chops and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of safe wrestling moves and whatnot. That's I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: lie to yet. I was literally thinking that, boy, holy crap,
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  Speaker 1: was I wrong And I was never happier to be
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: more wrong in my life. That was a brilliant match.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's what I needed to be and what
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  Speaker 3: no one was expecting. Well, everybody thought he could. No
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  Speaker 3: one thought he'd come back from from down taking a
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: lot of people do that stuff. It's great that he did,
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  Speaker 3: and he and he put Gage Kid over, which needed
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  Speaker 3: to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was. I was. I was
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  Speaker 1: so impressed that I was in shock and unbelievable. It
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  Speaker 1: was just unbelievable. Anybody else I leeve have an opinion
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  Speaker 1: on Kenny Omega's match with Gabe Kid.
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  Speaker 4: I loved it. I love Kenny Omega, so I thought
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: it was fantastic to see him come back the way
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  Speaker 4: he did. Uh, it was just great all around. Just wow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be on Dynamite this week, uh
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: today because we're publishing. We're recording this on Tuesday, publishing
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and on Wednesday, so he's gonna be on Dynamite tonight
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: as you're listening to this, and uh, I'm just interested
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: in what he looks like when he comes out. If
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: he comes out and he looks like, Okay, I'm ready
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to go fight a match right now, let's go. I'm
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be so much more oppressed because after what he
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: put his body through and gave Kid too, what they
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: their bodies through in that match, and to come back
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: across the entire half the world, and to come back
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: on a Wednesday night after a basically a Sunday morning match,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that's impressive. If he's if he's walking up right without
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a cane, I'll be like, this is the man.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Amazing.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any have anything on this?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a great match, not unexpected for
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Kenny because I don't think I think everybody would have
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: been disappointed if it would have been anything less than
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: what he did. I think people were going to be
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: disappointed because I don't think he's going to do what
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: they want him to do when he comes back to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: aw I think he's going to get involved with Okada
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be him in Okada for a while.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna have anything to do with
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the Moxley storyline at all. It just doesn't make any sense.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And uh, I think it's going to be more of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: an Okada thing. But I hear so many people saying, Oh,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: he's got to come back and take the belt from Moxley.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's not going to happen.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying right now.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think the whole plan all along.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, all the reports that I've seen was Okado, Okada, Okada.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Boxley was never Order Death Riders was never mentioned in this.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: But but plans can change.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Not for Tony Kahan, it's something in his mind. It's
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. But part of me kind of thinks that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Tony Kahn was like, look, Kenny could have a one
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: on one match with more a series of matches if
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: you take our time with Okada, and you know, he
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: could work his way back into it. Because nobody had
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: seen Kenny Russell or perform until Russell Dynasty. Well, like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I said, if he's standing upright tomorrow, the band could
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: do anything. You could take on all the Death Riders
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: by himself and kill them, including Marina Shapier some.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: You know, honestly, what's great about that match is it
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: like I said, it put it gave Kid of because
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering how many people outside of the inner circle
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: knew who Gabe Kid was and now he's on the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: lips of everybody. And that's what Kenny Omay is about.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But you know the Dave Alvarez is out there who
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: said he needs to be championed right now we need
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to ww he needs to change aw needs to change
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: your style. And you know they have six months to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: all in about to really get the wheels turning on
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: that Ocada feud. Uh, it'll be interesting to see. I'm
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: gonna they gotta build it up so that so him
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: getting involved with the Death Writers. I don't see how
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: he getting involved the Death Riders and still build up
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: that monumental match with Okada.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one thing that I will say is that,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of course tonight on Dynamite, Kenny Omega is returning. But
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: one thing that is not on the match card, or
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: actually two things that are not on the match card.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: There is no Okada on this match card, and there's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: no mention of the Death Writers on this match card.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: As of as of the time we're recording this, they
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: have changed already. But if you had your choice, everybody,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: would you rather see Kenny Omega in a program of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: sub Sword against Okada or Boxley?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Definitely Okada Okada. You don't scrap plans. I mean, we
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: know Tony's not gonna scrap his plans anyway, but you
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: don't change your plans because that's putting way too much
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: pressure on Omega right away. Yeah, he had a great
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: match with Gabe Kid, but we don't know how much it.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Took out of me.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: We don't know anything until we see him tomorrow tonight.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: We don't know anything.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: We know that he had a great match. Does he
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: come back like he used to or does he come
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: back and he's gonna have a little bit of time.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: They have a plan for the Death Riders. I don't
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: see Tony changing that at all. It may have included
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: something with Kenny down the road, but I don't think
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: it does.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, good point.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Kenny also has unfunished, unfinished business excuse me with the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: young bucks. So he's he's got time and there's nothing
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: but time, and yeah and Jack here, he's got some time.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Before he taking on all the former elite.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Suppose he re reunites with Hangman and all my dreams
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: come true.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It don't fit Hangman right now.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to just just let your mind go
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: sudden style.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I think he would break his style. I know for
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a fact that Tony kN listens to this podcast each
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and every week.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: He has to to get some on.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if on this podcast, he'd be a millionaire right now,
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: billionaire status.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you would be a millionaire right now. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. Think about it this way, and I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: agree with you guys that it's going to be Okada
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that Omega is going after. And the reason I say that,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and I mean this sincerely, is I really think that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: there's much, much, much more interest. And I think Tony
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Khan is starting to get this now. I think that
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: even Tony Kah realizes that there's much more interest in
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Okata and Elite than there are in the Death Writers.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Because the Death Writers is a dead faction for a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean, I see after week after
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: week people saying they just turn off the TV. Yeah yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I mean the deut writers there it cut your losses,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Tony that you know, I know you're listening. Cut your losses.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: It's not working. There's no you tried and hey, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it was a good idea. It just it just didn't
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: hit with people. That's all. You can't tell unless you try.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. Let's move on. Anybody that's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: ever listened to this podcast knows that I am not
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a fan of anybody carrying multiple title belts. I didn't
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: like it when Kenny Omega did it. I didn't like it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't like it when Eddie Kingston did it. I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: don't believe it or not, it's the truth. Now you
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: have Mercedes Monett with the TBS Championship, the do Japan
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Pro Wrestling Strong Women's Championship, she's got the Red Pro
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Women's Championship, and she's got the Queen of the south
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Side Belt, which I don't know if it's a championship,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: but it's like and I think it's like a companion
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: belt at a Red Pro Championship. If you have if
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you have the Red Pro Championship. You got the Queen
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of the South Side belt men this year, Kylea had
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it along with the Red Pro Championship. Technically, Mercedes Monet
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is a triple crown champion right now, but he's got
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the four belts, you know. So frankly speaking, Mercedes Monet
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: has gained like three hundred pounds. He's after AW allen belts.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. It's it's one of those things where, yeah,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't like anybody having that many belts. However, I
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: have to give pro some credit to Mercedes Money on
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: this because when she came to AW, she said that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: she wanted to make AW a global company, and that's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: exactly what she's done. She's taken a women's wrestling roster
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that was not getting that much attention and she's elevated it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: She's women get more segments, they get more matches, not
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: as more matches, not necessarily in the last couple of weeks,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: but in general, we've got more women's wrestling, we've got
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: more women's segments, and we've really got definitely got more
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: women getting noticed around the world, not only in AAW
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: but in CMLL and stardom. There are a lot of
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: people didn't know what CMLL had to offer. I didn't
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: know what started at to offer, and now they get it.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Now they're now they're they're peaking. I mean, look at
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Mercedes money with Mina Shi Kawa. She's been uh, she's
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: gone against uh Hazuki, you know. And because of Mercedes Monet,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I think that we're gonna talk about Beckla and Athena
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: in a bit. But yeah, I don't want to see
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Mercedes Monet walking around with these belts for another six
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to eight months. I don't want that. But I think
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: that what they're doing here has actually been good. And
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saying it, because I absolutely hate
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: when a wrestler has more than one belt and she's
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: walking around essentially with four belts right now. But it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: so good. It is doing. It's doing the job. It's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: getting people noticed, and that's what it's all about. She's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: making bank for other wrestlers, and she's getting people excited
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: about women's wrestling in aw and beyond what can you
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: ask for? So I wanted to hear your guys' opinions
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: on what I just brought up. Also, keep in mind
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: we've got the TBS Championship, we've got the new Japan
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Strong Women's Championship, and we've got the Red Pro Championship
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: as well. We need viable contenders. Who will they be
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: for those three belts? Got to depend them. I have
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: an idea. So I'm not saying that these are who
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: we're gonna win I'm doing. I'm not saying who's gonna
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: take these belts off of them? I'm talking about who's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: gonna be. Who are the best challengers for these three belts?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And what do you think of her owning these three belts?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I'm on the fence about her getting old. I understand
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: where you're coming from, and she's helped so much. I
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: don't know who to really give it to right now,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: because it has to be someone that they haven't done
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: and who's ready to have those belts or even just
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: up next because Anna J all of them, you're gonna
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: have to figure out who is worthy enough to go
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: after him for just a TBS title. We got stats done,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: lost a couple of times, and she's already challenged that again.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I guess, so who pruly is up there on the
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: list besides Mariah may in aw to go after that one.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know about all the other companies.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: But let me let me let me throw out a
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: name for you. And I think I brought this up
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: last week when Mercedes Monet came to ae W at
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Big Business last year in Boston. Who was the first
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: wrestler that she had a physical confrontation.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: With at Julie Hart was Julia Hart.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: And if you remember, we also had that little where
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the lights went out and you know, backstage and when
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: they came back on Mercedes money was wrecked and it
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: was later revealed that sky Blue was the one who
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: did it. But I think we can all agree that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the reason they went to sky Blue is the one
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: who did it is because Julia Hart was already out
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: with injuries by the time that happened. Okay, I think
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I personally believe that the plan from the get go
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: was for Mercedes Monet to defeat Julia Hart and win
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the TBS title off of Julia Hart, not offer off
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: of Willow Nightingale. Willow Nightingale was only TBS champion because
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Julia Hart got injured and couldn't defend against Mercedes money,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: so they had to pivot. So I really as far
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: as a challenger, a viable challenger to Mercedes Monet, I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: really think. I really do think as far as the
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: TBS Chane Championship goes, I'm not saying that Julia Hart's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: going to win the championship, but I do believe that
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Julia Hart is going to be the challenger for Mercedes
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Monday for the TVs champion I do have a secondary pick,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about that later. So let's start.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Who on the roster do you think is a good
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: pick to challenge, not necessarily win, challenge for the TBS Championship. Hater, Okay,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's fair they get. I hope they build her
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: up by giving her wins over decent play people instead
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: of just you know, local talent. But that's a good pick.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Anybody else have a have a have an idea? Who
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: can challenge Mercedes Monday for the TBS Championship.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: Well, how about that newcomer Tony Storm.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That's I have a theory about that. We'll talk about
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that in a bit, but that's a good one.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: How about cheedah.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: M or they haven't they done that? Already, though that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Doesn't keep them from doing it again.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, we've got keep in mind that we've
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: got Grand Slam coming up followed by Revolution. You know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they're they're not that far apart from each other. They're
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: less than a month or their Grand Slam, I believe,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: is the fifteenth of February and Revolution is the ninth
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of March. So we've got you got to build. You
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: can't just throw somebody out there. Look, you can't do that.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I misspoke because Tony Kahn's will always been the kind
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: of person. We'll just throw a banger match out there.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Karashida and Mercedes Monett is a banger match that he
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: could literally make five days before a Grand Slam. I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: don't want to see that. I want to see the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: match start to be built tonight on Dynamite. You see
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Don't think what I'm saying is Shidah seems like the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: one that doesn't seem like they're gonna have a feud,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: They're just gonna have a banger match thrown together for
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the sake of a banger match. I don't want to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: see that. I'm tired of that. I want to see story.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Anybody else with an idea who could Challengce for the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: TBS Championship? All right, so let's move on to the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: IWGP Strong Championship. Of course, that's an American championship, so
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I've already said, Julia Hart, you know it can be
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: somebody from AW because it's an American even though it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a New Japan title, it's the American side of New Japan.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So my pick for the challenger for that is I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: will always be with Tommy. And Mayu has actually said
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that she wants to wrestle AW wrestlers and.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: He said they wanted Yeah, somebody who's saying there's someone
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: who says she also wants to challenge Athena for the title.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Well that's a thena we're talking about.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but I can I don't know who else
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: would be good, but that Secla I think will be
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: an interesting match for Monette, just to see how good
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: she is.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Again when but Doucklet's Doucklet's going after Athena, not Monette.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but I mean, I mean would have
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: hurt to go.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I agree. I mean we'll get to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that in a bit because I have I kind of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: think that THEKLA is going to be aw bound or
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: at least r oh bound. But and then of course
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you have the rev Pro Championship, which is the English Championship.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: And there was a video that the women of rev
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Pro made prior to Mercedes Monet and mina year at
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Kyla Matcher Wrussell Dynasty. I believe it was prior, may
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: have been made right afterwards, but there was like three
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: or four Repro women talking about Mercedes Boney and if
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: she wins the belt, who's gonna step up and take it? Well,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: we'll step up and we'll challenge you for it. The
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: mouthpiece for that video was Alex Windsor, and of course,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: if you don't Alex Windsor did wrestle and a W
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: last year. She's familiar with that. Alex Windsor is also
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the wife of Will Osbury. So yeah, I mean, so
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: that's probably a good challenger for Mercedes Monet there. But
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the good thing is is that when we would we
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: be talking about these matches if Mercedes Monet didn't have
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the belts, will we be say me and to shir
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Kawa had the Repro belt? Still we didn't talk about
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: really any of her defenses, you know. So it's a
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: different animal when you're talking about Mercedes money. So and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to me, it's a good thing. And Mercedes Moone started
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: by saying that she wanted to take a w global
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and that's exactly what she's done. So let's talk about
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Thecla and let's talk about Athena. As Sutton was talking
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: about earlier at Russell Dynasty, Mama was want to be
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: hit Athena with a bat, the baseball bat and got
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the pin. It was the first time in over two
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: years that Athena has been pinned in a match. And well,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: now we've got Thecla and Athena in a match in
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: stardom on January thirteenth. And I don't know about you guys,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: but I'm really looking forward to this match because Becla
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: is just on a whole different kind of level with
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: her mouth.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: She reminds me of a femaley.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: She reminds me of about gay kid, is what she
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: looks reminds me of.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I saw the press conference and I loved it. Those
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: two going at it. I think it tremendously helps both
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: sides of the stardom And uh, and Ring of Bonnor.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: For those two to be doing at it, they have
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: to bring in somebody, and I think if Becla took
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: it somehow that rh would not suffer. So why not?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Now I agree with you. I think that Tecla as
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the Ring of Water champion would be so good because
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: she has got the chops to do what Athena is
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: doing and has done. Of course she's different, but there
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is no other like Athena. But I do believe that
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Tcla is just as good and would bring something newing
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: for us to ring and free up Athena to maybe
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: come and challenge Mercedes Monday for that TBS championship, because
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about it when we were asking
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: that question before. The other thing I want to point
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: out is that yes, Decla is signed to start them,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: but earlier, I would say about the middle of last year.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I thought middle It was probably around September. There was
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: an article that feif Will put out they did an
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: interview with Decla. Deckla said it was the articles talking
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: about January twenty twenty five, which it is January twenty
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: twenty five, that her contract would start him is up,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and I was crunching some numbers at I saw, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I came up with the date, and I don't remember
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: how I did it, because I did this back in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: September last year. I came up with the date of
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: January thirteenth, twenty twenty five, was the date that Decla's
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: contract would start him expire at the at the end
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of the day on January thirteenth. Guess when that match
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: with Athena is January thirteenth. It makes perfect sense for
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: me to me to see THEKLA come to a W
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: r H. I do believe that if she is signed
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: by Tony Kah that it will be that she will
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: go to ROH because I need somebody like Deckler and
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: r H. And I hope to God if I'm right
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: about the January thirteenth and that match and stardom as
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the last time that Decla will wrestle and start him
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: as a contracted employee. That ww wwe doesn't swim, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: swoop in and do a step of your backer deal job,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, do you guys feel like that?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you have you watched Decla? Have you
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: seen some of the things that she's done, and do
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you think that she would be right for r Oh,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I do, yes, anybody else, everybody else is muted, uh
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: nose Tekla.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not really familiar with her now.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's uh, she's not a big woman. Uh. She's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: probably maybe a little bit bigger than Riho. I mean,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: but she the way she carries herself, she carries herself
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: like a Chris Fatlander. Mm hm, you know what I mean.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: She's like five to one, five to two, but she's dead.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: She's got the filthiest mouth you ever heard of a
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: human being of the you know, a woman. She is
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: just something else. Yeah, she's in stardom, but she's not Japanese.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: She's Austrian and she's an English speaker, so that is
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: not an issue. I mean, she she speaks you know, perfectly. Fine,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: if you can understand we put it this way, if
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you can understand what Tony Storm is saying, you can
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: understand what Thatchla was saying. And but she's uh. I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: sure you're familiar with will Osprey when he was in
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: in New Japan, and I'm sure you probably saw some
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: of the promo packages that Cape Kid did as he
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: led up to the match with Kenny Omega. That's pretty
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: much Dekla. I mean, she has no filter. She will
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: just throw the F word and everything else that she
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that she comes a boy. She's she's not what you
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: would call a lady, you know, as far as her
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: character goes. So she's she's a little much. So look,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: go on YouTube. There is a there's a promo battle
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: between Thekla and that's a poy from Stardom. Volume and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: language warning on this one because they just, I don't
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: want to give it away. It's hysterical. They used both
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: of them all you say, basically two words the entire time,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and they're not nice words. And it's like a one
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: minute long just face to face, nose to nose. And
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: what's more, what's funny about it is it was from
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: like a year or so ago or two years ago.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Carrie saying from WWE and Julia are in the background
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and their looks on their faces are priceless because they
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: had never heard anything like that. It's hysterical. And just
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: just go just look up and not even her matches,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: just her promos, because you'll be astounded, just totally in shock.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Go on our discord server and look in the Joshi
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: uh spoiler room and the Joshi Chat and I've posted
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: some stuff from THECLA. You know what she's done. It's
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: she's associated with Bull Club war Dogs as well, because
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: she's she's in a relationship with Clark clawnter Cotters from
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the war Dogs. So I mean, it's all kinds of
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: stuff going on. But anyway, well let's move on because
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: there was something announced for not this week but next
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: week's Dynamite, something that we've been looking forward to seeing
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and it's finally happening. Is a women's Casino Gauntlet match,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the winner of which will be the number one contender
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and will face Marian May at Grand Slam. Now tonight
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: there's a three way match similar to what they did
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: with the Casino Gotlin match or the men's side, where
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the winner of tonight's three way match between Willow Nightingale,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Chris Statlander and Tony Storm will guaranteed be number one
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: in next week's women's Casino Gotland match. Now Chris Statlander,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Willow Nightingale, and Tony Storm Tomorrow night, who wins that
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: match or tonight who wins that match? And why.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: My guess is Willow is because it's they want to
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: hand at her getting that title shot again. I don't think.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think Tony Storm will win just yet, but
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: she hasn't defeated, so that's where I kind of split
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: on the matter.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Good point. Anybody else have a guess.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I think Willow she's she's gonna go for the title again,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: and she looked really good this past weekend, so I
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: can see her doing it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Suton, do you have a pick Tony Storm.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: They're gonna give it just because they're they're trying to
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: give her that rookie feel and she's gonna win it.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Steve, this is where I kind of agreed with you
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: in that I do not believe that Tony Storm is
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: going to win this match. I think it's too soon.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: It's too obvious. Of course, being obvious is kind of
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: something that Tony con does. It's too obvious. I personally
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: think that what's gonna happen is at Chris Statlander is
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: going to pretty much allow allow Willow Nightingale to win
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: this match. She's gonna help Willow Knightingale win this match
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and pin Tony Storm. I'm not saying she's gonna lay
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: down for well On night Dale. I think that that
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Chris Statlanders is going to take out the rookie in
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: some way, and Willow night Nails Nightingale is going to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: get this match. And I do believe that a Grand
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Slam Tony Storm will be a Grand Slam, but not
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: against Mariah May. I think she will be a Grand
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Slam fighting for the TBS Championship against Mercedes Money. Nice.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Nightingale wins that one.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Sully, It's amazing. We don't have anybody to thinks Chris
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Statlander is gonna win but three of us.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: This is only the only thing about it is everybody's saying, well,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: it's too early for Tony to win. Why it's only
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: a match to qualify for the number one spot in
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: a in a garment match. This is this is a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: This is a match that has no meaning whatsoever to
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: anything other than the first place next week. So it
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't really matter who wins this match. I mean, Tony
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: can win it. I've seen people saying that they think
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that it's gonna be Tony is gonna win it because
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: of the animosity between that and Willee. I've seen people
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: say that they think that Stat's gonna win it. I
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: don't see stat getting a winning this simply because that's
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: not what they're doing with it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Right now, let me ask you, let me ask you
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: this guy, this to you, guys, because I do feel
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: this way. Do you feel that the winner of this
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: match is probably going to win that Goblin match next week?
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so hard to say.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: With Grand Slam being in Australia, it I don't know
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: what to think.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, but seriously, it's more sense to have someone
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: like Harley Cameron win it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that base too obvious though, But but if you're.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Saying that you think that the winner of this match
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is going to win the Gauntlet, that's just as obvious
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: because you're not getting you're they're taking away the whole
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: reason to have the Gauntlet match because it's supposed to
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: be random. You're not supposed to This is supposed to
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: be one of those things that's we don't know what's
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: gonna happen. But if people were thinking, well, Tony's gonna
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: win it, whoever wins this match is gonna win it,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: you're taking away the whole reason to having next week's match.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: We have no idea who's gonna be in it. There
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: could be three women from stardom. Three women cmll you
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: could have some Joshi's in it. You may have these
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: maybe the only three people from AAW in it.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're right there, I mean in it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Look at it this way. If Tony, if Chris Statlander
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: does what I think she's gonna do, it allows Willow
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Nightingale to win this match tonight. What happens when it
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: comes down to Willow and Chris Statlander and somebody else.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Does Willow reciprocate that favor? I don't think so, but hey,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it could happen. Here's my personal thoughts as
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: far as the Casino Gauntlet match for the Women's happening
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: next week. I think that you're gonna see a lot
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: of tag teams this match. I think you're gonna see
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the bendetta. I really hope that it's not one of
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: those gauntlets that goes and finishes after like six women
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: come out. I really hope it comes out to all twelve,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: maybe even a wild card thirteen. I'm lucky thirteen. I
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: want to see the ring filled with women. I want
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: to see some story there as far as women teaming
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: up to go against other women who have teamed up,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Tay Mellow and Anna j teaming up, you know, the
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Vendetta teaming up. You know, you could even have somebody
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: like Thunderstorm teaming up, you know, I Julia Harton, Jamie Hayter,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Jamie Hater may team up with Juliard now that she's
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: been missed it. So I think this Gautlet match next
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: week is something that I'm really looking forward to. I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: really am, and I'm looking forward to this three way
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: match tonight because I just think that there's if they
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: do it and write, there gonna be so much good
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: story here instead of just Tony Storm winning it and
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: then Tony Storm going on and winning the the you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the Gauntlet next week and then Tony Storm going on
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to have the obvious Man against Maria May. I kind
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: of want to see Tony Storm against Merceities money and
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: not Mariah May. That's just me. But anyway, let's do
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: our prot Porie. Does anybody have anything that they want
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: to talk about not having to do with what we've
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: already talked about, or you know, you can bring up
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: something that we've already talked about.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: You got about the mist in the eyes to Jamie Hayter.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Now I'm just like racking my brain of like the storylines.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, now she's gonna be yeah, teams with
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: Julia because before yeah, like she was acting kind of
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: heelish and now that mist in her eyes will just
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: like fully all come out.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: That's great, right, because Julia's miss did not have the
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: same effect on Willow Nightingale at all, because Blood Eye
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Gil was so good that she was able to fight
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it off.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we pointed that out Steve on the podcast
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: before it, Jamie Hayter was not being all goodie two shoes.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: She's had she had a little bit of a main
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: streak dinner. Yeah, So so yeah, I kind of agree
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: with you there, I do. And I've been saying since
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: day one, when the whole first, when the first vignette,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the video of Julia Hart's return happened, and it was
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: with Jamie Hayter interrupting Jamie Hayter. Everybody who backed me
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: up on this, I have said from the gegto that
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Jamie Hayter and Julia Harder to be a team.
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I see what happens. I'd definitely like to
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: see where that goes.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Anybody else with the pot Pourrie.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: My only popa rie would be I'm relate. I believe
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: it's Osprey versus I just names that my mind, Buddy Matthews,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: and that'll be a whole show stealer in itself. I'm
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: looking forward to that match the most.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are good, that's gonna kick, That's gonna kick. I'll
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: go with Bi Poe Maurax and I want to bring
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: up the HBO Max or Max. I don't know why
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I said HBO Max the Max presentation of both Dynamite
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: and Collision. Did you notice did any of you guys
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: watch both Cosion on Max?
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you notice that Collision seemed to be a
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: little bit more cohesive and well put together than Dynamite?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Meaning yeah, the commercials, the commercial breaks on Collision were
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: not as nearly as intrusive as they were in diamand
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: the Dynamite commercials were all like in the middle of
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the matches, whereas the Collision commercials were where you would
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: definitely see a natural commercial break most of the time.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: That's my worry, you know, Mkay, you brought up the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Will Osprey and Buddy Matthews match. I want to see
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the match. I don't want to see commercials during the match.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if that's something they learned from
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: their mistakes or if that's how it's going to be
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: because they want more commercials on their premier show, right,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: That's what I would like to figure out, right.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Well, again, I do think that they did a lot
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: better job on Collision than they did on Dynamite last week.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I think that the one thing that they need to
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I thought that the picture quality was a lot better.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I loved the new camera angle which is higher and
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you get to see more of the ring and what
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the wrestlers are doing.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I love to hire a camera angle for the you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: the hardcam. And the one big complaint I have is
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that the AWDs they need to get some audio experts
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: in to figure that this out, because yeah, look, either
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: the crowd is completely drowning out the announcers and the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: wrestlers when they're talking, or you can't hear the crowd
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: at all. There's got to be a way to get
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: both of them in there. The one thing I can say,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: especially about Dynamite, is that you could see the crowd
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: moving around, clapping and cheering, but you couldn't hear them.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: The crowd seemed dead and it wasn't.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Was Collision dead because I couldn't hear them at all.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Anybody wasn't matters Corn It's good.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with you, I don't. I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: kind of was a lit a little bit under the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: weather during Collision and I was not a hard time
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: concentrating on it because of it, and so I really
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: didn't pay attention to it as much on Collision, not
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: by choice, but visually.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Visually they're there though from what I heard. I don't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: want to compare. I don't want to mention other companies,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: but I've heard better than the other companies visuals, So
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: we got that going for us. The first time I've
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: actually watched both shows, I have not watched both shows
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: since the beginning of Collision, so I thought it was good.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that you kind of got
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to give a w a pass on Collision is you
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: had Russell Kingdom and Russell Dynasty literally on the same night,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: and so people, I mean, look, you're gonna have people
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: interested in both of them, obviously, but people that we're
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: going to watch Russell Dynasty and Russell Kingdom were probably
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: asleep during Collision. Because they had a long night aheaded
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: for both of those nights, you know. So yeah, so
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: you know it is what it is because I, like
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I said, I was under the weather and I did
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: not see Russell Kingdom my Live. I did not see
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Russell king I had to go back and watch it
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: because I just couldn't function. So anyhow, that is going
• 1:02:34
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• 1:03:16
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• 1:03:22
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• 1:03:25
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• 1:03:30
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• 1:03:31
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• 1:03:34
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