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Talks to Paul Arthur about his choice of Invasion of the Dinosaurs (5/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker.
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Hello and welcome to a Hamster with a Blunt pen Knife, the
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Doctor Who commentary. My name is Paul Arthur and we
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are here to talk about invasion of those Part 5 with your own
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your very own Mr. Joe Ford. Hi, Joe, I say, I say, I say.
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My T Rex has no nose. Your T Rex has no nose.
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How does he smell? Terrible.
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I don't know, how do those jokes end?
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That like that. Yeah, is that the joke?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We off off Mike, off off the
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call, guys. We were talking about my secret
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desire to be a stand up comedian or a performer of some kind.
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So that that's the joke. And actually I just remembered
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years and years ago for a fancy and I did a little cartoon of
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Invasion of the Dinosaurs and it was just John Pertwee with his
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hands up like he's boxing and then a dinosaurs foot.
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And then the caption was Queensbury Rules.
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Oh fabulous. Here we go.
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Here's a little invasion of the dinosaurs joke for you.
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That's it. You have to send me the image
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now. I'll put it out of the episode.
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Oh mate, that was years ago. I like, you know all of that
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stuff. Like you know, all of that stuff
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is in the archive somewhere, so if I could dig it out I'll find
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it. You said performer there.
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Are there any songs about dinosaurs?
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I can't think of any. Walk the dinosaur by was, not
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was. How does that go?
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Everybody get on the floor. Everybody walk the dinosaur.
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Oh, that's quite jolly. Yeah, yeah, It's a catchy little
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dance tune. You don't know that.
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I mean Wolfglog T. Rex that don't work.
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I can't forget. Apart from that I cannot think
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of any songs. Nope, nothing.
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That's that's all I got. I shall have to create one.
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I'll do it throughout the course of the episode.
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All right. Yeah, yeah.
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Bung them in. Yeah, yeah.
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T Rex Perodactyl, Stegosaurus, Triceratops.
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Triceratops though, that don't work.
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I'll never be a stand up comedian.
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Fucking hell. It's when I try.
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If I just talk something usually not funny but absurd comes out.
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Whereas when I try and be funny, it's just.
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Yeah, yeah, you flop. Well, listen, just for for
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everybody, this is what we're talking about off camera.
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And this is kind of like what I was sort of talking about how
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I've kind of enjoyed these these podcasts.
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You know, I think of myself as being a raconteur, like
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terrorist sticks, being able to talk my the hind legs off a
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donkey and and with with wits and, you know, like all of that
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stuff. That's how I think of myself in
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my head. You've.
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Done 5 or 6 episodes. You are poor.
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It's more, it's more as you say, it's difficult to when you, when
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you throw me the the odd curveball like like your
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dinosaur joke there and I have to come up with something off
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the top of my head. It's it's not always easy mate.
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We're considering this sort of perhaps rehearsal for the great
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show that we're going to get one day.
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All right. That's right, the hamster live
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show. Jesus Christ, No.
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Fuckers going to pay for that. Good grief.
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Well look, we're going to watch Invasion of the Dinosaurs
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episode 5 today, aren't we? We are.
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I think this has the best location work since episode 1.
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Well, it's definitely got that lovely extended chase scene
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where we've got the doctor through Wimbledon Common being
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chased by, by the army. I, I, it is great.
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It does look really, really good.
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I kind of think that I'd love that if they did that in the
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city though, Like the, you know, the whole thing of invasion of
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dinosaurs is it's kind of like that urban, you know, city, you
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know, city centre location with the dinosaurs in.
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Wouldn't it be more fun seeing John Poppy zoom in around the
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streets of London being chased by the army?
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I don't know. But he does look great.
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You're right, he does look. Good.
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Wasn't that episode one? Oh, you mean in the car?
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Yeah, well, well, if he hopped in the immobile and it was being
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pursued freely through town, that would be great.
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But. That's Planet of the Spiders,
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isn't it? Well, I mean this, this is
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almost like a little kind of warm up for Planet of the
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Spiders, isn't it? Almost.
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Feels like that we're flying. Well, of course we're flying.
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But I mean, you know, they, I can't remember now.
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I think I always thought that they'd hired a helicopter and
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done aerial shots. What I think it is is that is
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they had footage, that's footage that was available and they
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found locations to say it's seamless though.
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Yeah, and it looks proper expensive, didn't it, when you
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get that big sweeping shot of the the helicopter through the
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woods. You have the fellow who's there
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just having his fag and suddenly Dougie Simpson's playing the
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saxophone while he's doing it, you know?
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Yeah, he's got. That man post coity or.
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Something, but we lurk it amongst the ferns.
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Well, yeah, you know what to say about actors have ever sort of
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in and out of that amazing warehouse, Yes, where I've
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recently watched a new Avengers episode where and that is shot
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on very expensive film. So it lurks Christmas fuck.
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And and it's also in a couple of Blake 7 episodes as well.
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So it's a very popular location because it's vast and derelict.
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Yeah, it was. Moody.
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It was a very popular location for 70s telly.
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I think. As you say, it pops up in loads
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of shows like the New Avengers. It's in like Sweeney and and all
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those kind of shows. And yeah, it looks looks great.
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It's a bit of a we're not we haven't even started the episode
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yet, but we're talking about it. But it's a weird one where the
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doctor just drives in and drives into that that kind of opening.
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And then the other, the army just seems past them, kind of a
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bit of a comedy moment. Well, I'm going to sort of
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explain to you how buildings work, right?
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You sort of go in through the exit.
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Yeah. And then you leave via the
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entrance. Oh no, I got that the wrong way
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round, didn't I? You did.
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I was trying so hard to be patronising and I've just
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patronised myself. Oh, well, come on.
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It's a bit of an odd choice. It's an odd choice, I think.
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I mean, it looks good, so I mean why not?
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Yeah, well, you know what they say, you've got to in and out of
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holes. Do they?
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Yeah, I mean you. You'll be the one for phantom
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gossip, mate. No, Dylan race.
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Excuse me? The ultimate gossip.
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No. Don't you listen to a word.
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All right? As far as he's concerned,
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everyone's at it. Well.
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You and me are asset as far as he's concerned.
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I, I genuinely assume that everybody's at it apart from me.
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So that's just. Now look, now come on now,
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you're through enough. You're putting down your love
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laugh there. OK?
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Now shall we go and watch this? Oh yeah, let's get into.
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It don't say anymore, all right, just in case she listens.
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You don't want any incriminating evidence on the podcast.
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Yeah, very much doubt she's going to listen to part 5 of
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Invasion of the Dinosaurs. Podcast.
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That would be a surprise. That would be a surprise.
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Said off camera again. Yeah, I revealed this.
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This is a six part story. I don't think she's kind of
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aware that stories can go on that long.
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I mean, so hello. There's 8 parters, 10 parters,
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12 parters, I think there's even a 14 parter.
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There is a 14, but yeah, that I think I mentioned before, that's
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the one that she was a very long one, yeah.
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As she seen the second of it. I think I mentioned before she
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she came in came into the room as I was watching it.
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That's the same as watching in a non non weave eyes.
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Exactly. If you ask what's on the telly
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then and I'd tell you what it is, and you're.
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I mean, the fact that she remembers the title all these
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years later is kind of, yeah, proof that she's watched it, I
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think. Well, Paul, I can only say you
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are under hamster arrest. Shall we go in?
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Yes, absolutely. Yes, you are the monster maker.
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Let's let's. Do it, You'd be grateful I
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pointed 2 fingers at you, all right?
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And nothing else. OK.
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Would you care to count us? Oh no, I've got counters in you
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Started. Yeah, didn't you?
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Yeah. Sorry.
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Yeah, I just take over. It's sad.
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That's bad habit. Well.
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It's your podcast mate, so you're more than welcome to.
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Monstrous egotist in 321. Off we go.
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Oh my, I'm heading right down the middle of that tunnel, you
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know? Hypnotic, isn't it?
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Oh, and he goes John. Perky's eyes look at him.
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Yeah, Magnificent isn't. He yes, absolutely, you have it.
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I do love John Perky. I mean, we've done a couple now
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and he is one of my favourite eras of of the show.
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I know, not necessarily the most fashionable Dr. to like, but I
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think he's fantastic. Not the most fashionable, can
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you see? I mean fabulous frilly shirts.
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And obviously he's very fashionable, but like, at
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different times we've been fandom, he's not always been
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like the most popular. Never mind those people, we
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don't need to give their the ones that don't like him.
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Although cunts. Who cares about those people?
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No, he's great. I mean I think he can do great
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comedy. I certainly think he can do
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great drama. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I do like, I'm not adverse to a bit of action from my
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doctor. I don't want a Doctor Who's
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going to go around punching people left, right and center.
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It doesn't have to be a big action hero, but like having
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that kind of physical dynamism. I, I, I think I would like to
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see more of that in any, in any doctor I like, certainly like to
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see more in the, in the modern era.
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I don't feel you get enough of that.
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That's plenty of it in the classic.
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I mean, don't you remember when William Hartnell was taught by
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the Mountain Mauler of Montana? Oh yeah, I'd, yeah, I would love
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to see that. I'm AI think I mentioned before,
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I'm a big wrestling fan, so even the slight mention of wrestling
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within Dog 2 is exciting and I I couldn't just imagine Hartnell
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Hartnell in the wrestling. Ring.
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It tosses that assassin right out of the window.
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Don't. It it's.
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So great. And obviously I think of Tom
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Baker in Cesar Doomy snapping people's necks and also punching
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people and. What do you do for an encore?
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Well, what is it? I win, yeah.
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Look at Sarah playing along now. You know, I think yes, actually
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take me back to the elders. I've been thinking about things
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and yeah, see things your way until I expose all this
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shambles. So we're we're quite, you know,
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we're already into, into episode 5 and that storyline is still
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going on. It's still that mystery of of
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the and we're about to about to come to a head where she escapes
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and, you know, is actually able to leave.
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I love that bit where she goes through the airlock and Mark's
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just incredulous that she. She don't know, does she?
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What if she was wrong? Well.
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Exactly, exactly. Up until then, none of us really
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know, you know that. And that again, is one of those
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brilliant surprises and the the fact she's got the courage of
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her own convictions to go hang on.
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This is bogus. I'm just going to step outside
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here. It could be instant death, but
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going to go for it. She's.
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So brave, isn't she? Amazing, great and this is a
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great story for her. I've got to say I've been
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watching the Sarah Jane Adventures recently,
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commentaries on those, and man, she just didn't lose it when
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when she took charge of a show. It's back to season 11.
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Sarah, competent, investigating everything, totally in charge of
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herself. I think I said before earlier
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on, I mean, I do love Sarah. I think she's a great companion.
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I don't think he's necessarily my favorite and I know a lot of
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people do really love her. But I think where she works
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really well for me is the season 11 stories like this and the
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Time Warrior, where she's using her, using her skill and her
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knowledge and. Look at that great spider, Paul.
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Do you remember this bit with Benton?
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Yeah. Come on, use your Venusia UJA on
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me. I love Benton.
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I mean, John. This is a great this is a great
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story for him and this is a great couple of episodes at the
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end of this story, as you say, like, yeah, yeah, you bet.
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Use your Venusia Neutra on me. Yeah, just fantastic.
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He's he's he's really, really good, isn't he?
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He's good value. He is great and like, I mean,
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he's never the leading man that John Levine will lead you to
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believe that he was. In the 70s.
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And I was lucky enough to play Sergeant Benton, the side
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character of the era. But the charm you and the jokes
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you get from him, I mean all that nonsense with the cheese
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and Day of the Daleks, I love all of that.
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Yeah, no, he's, he's fantastic. And this, this is great.
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And of all the people to believe in, the Doctor is good old
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Benson, who just like sees through the crap straight away.
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The Brigadier. We don't know what is going on
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with the Brigadier at this point.
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We mentioned before like he's he seems to be going along with
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Finch. So yeah, for for Benton to be
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the one to go. Yeah.
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OK, I'm going to let you go. He did that fall brilliantly
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down on his knees and then face palms.
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What This is why I think this episode is actually really
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interesting, right? Because it is a lot of padding.
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We've got this long extended chase scene that comes up sort
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of fairly soon. We've got Sarah Beer escaping
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and then being captured again. And so it's a lot of the normal,
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traditional run around kind of padding.
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But actually it it still feeds into the episode because you're
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still like, you're not sure still if there aren't any more
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surprises coming down the line. You don't know if the Brigadier
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might be involved because suddenly he's not standing up
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for our guy. He's not standing up for his
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hero. So maybe he's involved.
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And it's nice that you've got good old Benton there to go.
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All right, OK, He's, he's, you know.
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It's not until the Brigadier stands up to Finch.
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Yes, they're. Pointing guns at each other on
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the street that you think, Oh yeah, all right.
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Yeah, absolutely. This is a great effect.
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I love it. It's so simple.
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It's just him smashing a cup and then them reversing it.
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Yeah, but it gets the point across.
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I think you really need to be economical visually for
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children, and it just gets the idea of rolling back time, yeah.
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It is it is very simple. I think something like city of
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death maybe does it a little bit more exciting with the chicken,
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the enemy chickens going. That's really exciting.
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But yeah, you're right. I mean, it is the A is a quite a
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big concept. The idea to kind of physically
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rolling back time. So you're right.
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So selling kids on on the the big ideas in a simple way like
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that is really good. So hang on a minute, I'm trying
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to figure out the whole plan here.
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So the idea of bringing the dinosaurs, was that just purely
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to evacuate London? Yeah, yeah, I guess they didn't
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want to take everybody in London with them.
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They were they going to I guess they're going to actually.
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Is that. Yeah, you're right.
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It's not fully. Is it the whole?
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Of London they're taking. Well, he they talk about the
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zone and they talk about the the fringe of the zone and where the
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where the unit based being maybe inside, maybe not inside.
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So a good chunk of. I mean, that's one time poll
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where I wish we could see with the sort of the Disney budget.
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I'd love to see prehistoric Earth with just a bit of London
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slapped down on top of it. Yeah, you're right.
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That would be a fantastic official.
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And yeah, this story has got brilliant ideas and it's always
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the best. The visuals are the things that
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you know the effect. They go somewhere, right?
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They go somewhere. There's a lot of locations.
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And they really do. And a lot of.
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People in this like, there's money on the screen, I think,
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yeah. You're right, You're right.
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You're right. It's quite a big cast, isn't it?
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So, and a lot of really good actors in it.
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So yeah, all of that's expensive.
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Like a wall of good Doctor Who is ambitious.
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, I mean because not. Letting that budget hold back
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their ambition. You know, we talked about the
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sophistication of Hulks script and like, you know, if Barry
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Letts comes to you and says, oh, can we have dinosaurs, the
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temptation is just to make any old kind of dinosaur story.
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You could make it as simple as you want.
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It really could be just as straightforward as dinosaurs are
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just running around. But there's so much more to this
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because they want it. You know, Hog can't tell her a
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boring story. He's got to make it more and
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more interesting. And he's got 6 episodes to play
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about with so. Right.
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He's got plenty of time, yeah. To do what he does.
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Yeah. You know, I think in the right
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light, Sarah and Mark be quite a nice couple actually.
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Yeah, yeah. Journalist and the team.
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Denim winning athlete. Yeah, absolutely.
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And you mentioned about Mark's tight trousers, but you know, I
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think Sarah looks quite. They are both wearing one size
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too small. Yeah, but she ain't got nothing
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to hide down there, whereas he does.
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Oh, look, look at this. I like how it's night time.
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It's all they put black drapes in front of the windows.
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Yes, yeah, yeah. Oh no.
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You can still see the street even for in with the blind see.
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The painted, yeah, painted bedroom.
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Yeah, well done that set designer.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah, He goes, right.
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So he comes to Finch, the Brigadier.
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We're going to find him at any possibility.
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The second he's gone, he comes to Benton, right?
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Where is he? We can't.
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Find him quick. Yeah, Yeah.
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You know that that Brigadier is actually, and we're like quite,
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you know, quite a few minutes in like nearly almost 10 minutes in
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and you suddenly you kind of know, OK, the Brigadier is, is
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still on it on our side. Come on Sarah, tell him she
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goes. Come on now.
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And the the nearest star system is 4 light years away, for God's
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sakes. We.
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This is so. She's so great.
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I mean, like, I would eat my words because I've said that I
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don't, you know, she's not my favorite, but she's so great in
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bits like this where she's really struggling to convince
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him that what he believes is not true.
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You know, she's. Yeah.
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And the coming out of the airlock here, like we said,
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that's exciting, isn't it? Like the fact that she could be
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killing life or he knows she's completely dead.
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Now go out there and watch, she says.
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Oh my God, goes I'm about to watch a woman murderer.
18:26
Right. I mean, it is very similar,
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right? And I know the story is
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completely different, but it is very similar to The Enemy of the
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World. Isn't it introducing a load of
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people underground? Yeah, yeah, in.
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Episode 4. Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
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And yeah, I hadn't really thought about that before, but
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yeah, they are very, very similar.
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And in both cases, you kind of think how how much of A head
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fuck that must be for those people being in that situation
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where you kind of, you know, you, you think you're in one
18:54
place, but actually your life is not where you think it is at
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all. What's more feasible, duping
18:59
people into thinking there's been natural disasters, nuclear
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world up there and so they're down in the basement or
19:05
convincing people that they're in a spaceship on the way to
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another planet? Probably the first one I would
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imagine. Well, you guess so, but then,
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you know, and I think, again, that's something that people
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will hold up to this episode as they like.
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How can they? How can people think that they
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would be in a spaceship? But we've seen a space program,
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K space programme in the per the years.
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So we know that the technology is more advanced in our world.
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We know that they have got spaceships.
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They Oh my God, it was the same episode.
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This is literally everywhere where they shot that gas
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cylinder where Pert we just drove along.
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It was all in that right. But where this has I can't
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explain it. I don't know if they don't have
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the original prints where this has that sort of fuzzy film
19:50
look. The film work on The Avengers is
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so crisp. Right.
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Like I just, I just think it's it's made more expensively than
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this. And of course.
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It was. Would that be the just the
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quality of the international print?
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I don't know. I'm not an expert.
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I mean, they cleaned them up, it was £100 for two seasons, that's
20:09
it. So they cleaned them up
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impeccably. Yeah.
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And yeah, you'd hope so for that money.
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They just throw the Doctor Who's for an AI filter these days.
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Sorry, whoops, a Daisy. But it's a fabulous location to
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shoot all this action around. And very quintessentially 70s as
20:26
well, where, like, everything's a little bit rundown and, you
20:29
know, falling apart. And we and Britain's still kind
20:32
of on its knees in many ways. You know, like, a lot of stuff
20:35
hadn't been rebuilt following the war.
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So yeah, you know, it feels really real and kind of gritty.
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I love how they set up earlier in the story they had that scene
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with Sarah and Finch specifically him helping her so
20:49
she thinks he's on side with her.
20:51
Yes. So when she goes up now it goes.
20:54
Ohh General Finns, thank God I found you.
20:57
That's what that's what I mean. I think I do think I mean there
21:00
is a is padding really is is traditional classic who padding
21:04
where you escape and you get caught again.
21:07
But it works so well in this story because it is that like,
21:11
you know, we know who the bad guys are.
21:13
We've it's been, they've been revealed to us.
21:14
But as you say, not everybody knows who who's doing what at
21:18
this point. We haven't got to the point
21:20
where everybody knows who all the players are and what they're
21:23
doing. So, yeah, you're right.
21:25
When she was seeing Finnish takes the backs of the cabinet
21:28
and she's like, oh boy, I really picked my friends that, you
21:31
know, it's a real it. It works for the episode.
21:34
But we say it's padding, right? Yeah.
21:36
And that's what you say when you watch the whole story, right, is
21:39
that you've got moments where there's lots of plot and moments
21:42
where there's lots of running, running around, right?
21:45
Nobody was watching the whole story at the time.
21:47
You had 25 minutes of Doctor Who.
21:49
And if this was your 25 minutes, you've got a fabulous action
21:53
sequence with the Doctor on the run.
21:55
You've got Sarah Jane, you know, going out that air log and then
21:58
hiding around the tunnels, getting out, being captured
22:01
again for 25 minutes a week. You've just got a load of
22:04
suspense and excitement. And I think that's all they're
22:07
trying to do here. Oh, 100%.
22:09
But actually best to say, I think this is an example where
22:12
it does work really well because it leans into that idea of who
22:16
do we trust and, and, and who is on on the level in this, in this
22:20
story. But like, you're totally right.
22:22
I mean, the the problem with watching it, the way we watch it
22:27
as fans. And, and so when, well, when I
22:31
first became a fan and I was getting borrowing tapes and
22:35
then, you know, from, from friends and then I was, you
22:38
know, buying VHSS and stuff, you'd sit there and you'd watch
22:41
the whole thing. And, and young you're younger in
22:44
those days or I certainly I was younger in those days.
22:47
I could probably sit down and watch pretty much most of the
22:49
war games if you know, if on a given day if I wanted to I.
22:53
Wouldn't advise it but. I wouldn't know.
22:55
I wouldn't recommend either, but but The thing is that's we we
22:58
were binge watching stuff before binge watching was a thing.
23:03
And so you're right, it's never been designed that way.
23:06
Imagine. Being that person, that kid
23:08
waiting for just 24 1/2 minutes of blissful Doctor Who every
23:14
Saturday night, literally having to get through the whole tedious
23:17
week of. School.
23:19
And fish fingers and all that other nonsense you have to put
23:22
up with when you're a kid and, I don't know, trips to the
23:25
countryside and then by God, Doctor Who's coming on and look,
23:29
there's helicopters flying around.
23:31
Yeah. I mean, that man's smoking, for
23:33
God's sakes, you know? Oh my God.
23:35
I mean, if you're, if you're a big fan of the Dinos, then you
23:38
might be missing them in this episode because they don't
23:40
really. Worry you wait for the climax.
23:43
Well, we get we get them right at the very end, but but there's
23:46
like for a story called Invasion of the Dinosaurs, this episode
23:49
is quite dinosaur light. Idiot.
23:51
Then the tripod was like that. You know, it was called the
23:53
Tripods, but they were only in about two seconds of each
23:56
episode episode and that's about.
23:57
As long as I watched it for, I think so.
24:00
Very boring, wasn't it? Yeah, but but we machine.
24:04
Gun. What you have got here is like
24:06
it's an exciting chase through the woods.
24:09
You've got helicopter stock footage, you've got per We like
24:13
looming through the ferns. You've got Pawnee jazz music
24:16
playing from Dudley. I mean, yeah, I like it.
24:19
When the drums come in, it goes. It is a weird mix of the cloak
24:23
and dagger sax music with with a military drum, isn't it?
24:26
It's kind of kind of a bit weird.
24:29
You can always count on Dudley to be eccentric.
24:33
But that shot John there, and like lurking in the trees, he
24:36
looks. Brilliant.
24:37
Oh man, look at that. Lurking and it's big cloak and
24:40
everything. Yeah, the wheels of the mother
24:42
hen. Isn't that what he said?
24:44
Yeah, Look, thanks for hiding in the ferns, right?
24:47
I'm going to make my move. How does he get out of this?
24:51
I can't remember now. Does he nick the car?
24:53
He Nicks the Jeep and does a company accent, doesn't he?
24:57
I'm bringing him in, yeah. Right.
24:59
We got action perk we and then we got comedy perk we all in the
25:02
same episode. So yeah, brilliant.
25:04
I can never object to this amount of location work.
25:07
But look at this. Great.
25:08
Yeah, I mean, the direction here is fantastic, isn't it?
25:11
Isn't really. Really good.
25:12
Well, because you there, that's a POV shop where you're the one
25:15
being haunted. Exactly.
25:16
Yeah, yeah. You know, again, I'm just like
25:19
she's I'm 45. I'm imagining being six years
25:22
old watching this. Right.
25:24
The helicopter zooming about the place.
25:26
As you say, that stock footage works so well, doesn't it?
25:29
I do miss, I think. I do think it would be great if
25:33
they were able to do it in the sea.
25:34
But I totally appreciate what that stock footage gives you.
25:38
It just makes this whole chase feel really, really big.
25:41
Yeah. And I think, like I said before,
25:43
like it's really unusual for the Doctor.
25:45
This makes me think of something like Spear from Space, where
25:47
the, you know, the very beginning of the put the era
25:48
where he's kind of on the run from, or he's being searched for
25:51
by the Army. He's kind of giving me those
25:52
vibes. You know, I've seen him on the
25:54
run. Inferno right where he's being
25:56
hunted down in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
26:00
Oh here it goes T1 to patrol when he like over.
26:03
Go on, do your best cockney. Hello, T1 patrol here.
26:07
Little what we got him. Bring him in now, Governor.
26:12
He should wave as he goes past. Latest boys enjoy your fag.
26:15
And we get a bit more of the dubs gun on from the guy as he
26:20
comes by here. He comes back to his Jeep.
26:22
That that stock footage is seamless.
26:25
So I mean to the point where until I was told, I thought it
26:29
was short for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
26:32
absolutely. Yeah.
26:33
And because the era is full of helicopters, So what?
26:36
I wouldn't have got a helicopter for this.
26:37
But then you look at those shots and you're going bloody hell,
26:39
they've really got the most out of the helicopter this week.
26:42
Passion. You're that shoulder.
26:43
Oh bugger it. How am I going to explain this?
26:47
I think just going to court Marshall me.
26:49
Were you having a cigarette again?
26:51
No, I promise. I just needed a wee.
26:53
I want to piss something against.
26:55
The tree. Oh, this man's great.
26:58
Oh yeah, yeah, I love his Bryson.
27:02
Something like that, yeah. Is he the one that makes the tea
27:04
in the next episode? Knocks out of his hands.
27:07
Paul Sword, I think the actor is called Colin Bell.
27:10
I think this is a lovely little performance from him.
27:11
I think he's really, really good.
27:14
Sarah, just don't trust General Finch, all right?
27:18
Come on. Do you know, obviously they've
27:23
erected these sets every week. I think there might be different
27:25
pictures on the wall there from last time.
27:27
Yeah, but that's that's why actually, I was going to say
27:29
that's what you get in school, but the kids aren't there, are
27:31
they? So no, it wouldn't be what you
27:33
get. Is that the map with the pins in
27:35
it for your actual pterodactyls over there?
27:37
Yes, yeah, pink for your actual pterodactyls.
27:40
No pink. Oh, pink of course.
27:42
You've got a colour coded Dinos. Yeah.
27:45
Oh, I love this. Oh, I missed the line.
27:47
She goes. You make sure he gets it.
27:49
Yeah. Points the pencil at him, Miss
27:53
Smith says. I love, I love her reaction when
27:55
she sees him come in. She thinks I was a friend.
27:57
This is the guy who helped me out before with the pass.
27:59
And yeah, I'm going to get somewhere now.
28:02
I think she is naive. When he goes, will you take me
28:05
down there and let's see. Come on now.
28:08
I'll be like, really? I ain't going down there again.
28:12
You take the army down there, I'll say.
28:14
It right. Yeah, yeah.
28:15
But of course we need it for the plot.
28:18
Of course, yeah. But as you say, like, you know,
28:22
it's a 25 minute episode and you're watching it in isolation
28:25
if you're watching on a weekly basis.
28:28
So yeah, you know, you, you, you need that, the story to do
28:31
certain things. So yeah, absolutely.
28:33
She's going to get captured again.
28:35
He's quite a distinguished older man, You know John Bennett?
28:38
Yeah, Quite handsome. I could see Sarah going on a
28:41
date with him. If, well, yeah, not my not my
28:46
cup of tea. Bash and not Paul?
28:48
No, being a heterosexual man. But I suppose they do say about
28:55
men in uniform. I suppose so.
28:57
Yeah, I guess it happened to you, right?
28:59
You're 4IN. And look, you're on the turn,
29:05
OK? Right now they're going off
29:06
together. They're going down, aren't they?
29:09
Oh, sorry. OK, I'll stop.
29:10
Oh, you. Oh.
29:11
Come on, Joe. That was cheap, wasn't it?
29:14
It was you think this is all finishes excuse to get rid of
29:17
filing cabinet room? Yeah, come on, get in there,
29:20
Sarah. I like a bit of denim.
29:21
Yeah. Would you love the double denim?
29:23
Yeah. Enormous collar as well.
29:27
Very, very 70s space gear. And also as well, he's just so
29:33
cash. She goes, oh, so you say you
29:36
came in here OK, and it went down.
29:39
I'll be like he's taking this in his stride.
29:42
He does have a quite a good line in in sincerity, doesn't he?
29:46
Like, you know, he's very in the earlier episodes, he's acting
29:50
quite suspicious, but at the same time he's kind of like in
29:53
that scene where he's giving her the pass and now he's got quite
29:56
an easy charm about him. So yeah, maybe, maybe I can see
29:58
them to those two together. I don't use the word bump enough
30:02
in Doctor Who, you know, he just said, what is all this bump?
30:06
No, I mean, I think there definitely should be more bump
30:09
I'll. Beg your pardon?
30:14
One thing I might, maybe wouldn't have done now that
30:16
she's seen the truth. I might not have put her back in
30:19
with all those people. I might have just kept her in
30:21
that room with all the lights. Yeah, you're right.
30:23
I mean, you would just kill her at this point, wouldn't you?
30:25
But I mean, that's, but that's, you know, adventure drama all
30:29
around. I mean, if, if every story had
30:32
the villain just go OK, I'll just kill you now, that would be
30:34
much easier for my plans than most stories wouldn't get
30:38
written, would they? I'd have a wonderful scene where
30:41
they say to Yates, right, we want you to prove how you're
30:45
really on our side and kill Sarah Jane Smith.
30:48
Now, that would be quite juicy, wouldn't it?
30:50
Yeah. Yeah.
30:51
Because he. Yeah, he isn't tested so much in
30:53
these last episodes. Does he know?
30:54
She doesn't know about Yates, does she?
30:58
At. This point, she only knows about
31:00
Grover and now Finch because of because of this.
31:02
Yeah. It's a wonderful scene, though,
31:04
when he does pull his gum. Yates Yeah.
31:07
And they can't believe it, can they?
31:09
And Benton goes, oh, come on. Right, right, right.
31:14
Yeah. And then when Bryston, the the
31:16
private comes in with the T and like he's, you know, he's like,
31:20
Oh yeah, I didn't see you back, Captain Yates.
31:21
And then like, you know, the T goes flying and Benton goes like
31:25
rushing into it's a rabbit. Scene.
31:28
Isn't it is? That 6.
31:29
I think they they saved that for six, don't they?
31:32
Yes, yeah, that's The thing is like, you know what we, as I
31:34
say, we by this point we know who everybody is and who's,
31:38
who's on the side of the baddies.
31:40
But like, yeah, bit by bit they and that's what I think this
31:43
episode actually works really, really well because it's not
31:46
necessarily advancing the, the, the, the kind of all, the, all
31:50
the pieces. They're not being pushed forward
31:52
anywhere anymore. But it's that kind of like, who
31:55
do you trust? You know who's who is in on
31:58
this. And here we are right at the end
32:00
of the episode. We're getting the dinosaurs
32:02
back. Grief.
32:05
It's Triceratops and a brontosaurus.
32:09
Oh no, look at that painted backdrop.
32:11
Did you see a big pen they can't afford to do the dioramas for?
32:15
All. And here we go.
32:16
Here's our boy. Oh.
32:17
Look at his limp wrists. Go on.
32:20
He's waggling them, apparently. That's sort of how I walk down
32:24
the street, you know? Oh, Ducky, where have I found
32:29
myself? Oh, I love that.
32:32
Look at that little traffic crossing in the middle.
32:34
Fabulous. Yeah.
32:37
And I think this shot works. It's great with the the T Rex
32:40
appearing outside the the station here at the very end.
32:43
My great. But look at his jaws.
32:47
Because it so it ends on the dinosaurs again, but it's but
32:50
it's like not not a repeat of the same cliffhangers.
32:53
It's you know, it's doing something new and it's taking us
32:56
to that final chapter. Where is the big the big
33:00
encounter? He is absolutely determined to
33:03
have a bit of John Perkwee in his mouth before the end of this
33:05
story, isn't he? That Oh.
33:07
Oh, T Rex, Yeah, yeah, he's. Tried like 4 Times Now and it's.
33:11
Yeah, and he's, he's gonna be foiled again at the start of the
33:14
next episode. He.
33:15
Should have a polite word with him.
33:16
Go look, Doc. So it's getting a bit
33:17
embarrassing now. I keep going back to prehistoric
33:20
times and I haven't eaten you despite the fact you've been
33:22
right in front of me. I mean, one time you made me go
33:24
to sleep. Please let me eat you well for
33:30
your honor, Mr. T Rex. Or have a nibble.