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Why Are There So Many Different Versions Of The Afterlife?? · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: So when I opened my eyes, I, I heard, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't move right, but I heard like surrounding me, there
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  Speaker 1: was like Buddhist chanting, but it was going backwards.
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  Speaker 1: My name is
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  Speaker 2: Putz, my name is, my name is Wayne, my name
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  Speaker 2: is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired
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  Speaker 2: by the classic horror series, we explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest for this episode is a wildly popular Malaysian
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  Speaker 2: content creator who explores topics like the Qing Ming Festival,
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  Speaker 2: the Hungry Ghost Month,
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  Speaker 2: And the afterlife. So really someone who's gonna fit right
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  Speaker 2: in here. Dead parts, welcome to the show. All the
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  Speaker 2: way from Malaysia right across the,
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  Speaker 1: across the sea. The bridge bridge bridge.
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  Speaker 2: You go by air, right? How, how's your, how's your?
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  Speaker 2: Singapore been so far. That's a good start. I love
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  Speaker 2: how she immediately, yeah, I know what you're asking, right?
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  Speaker 2: No ghosts. I mean, I meant in general, but OK,
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  Speaker 2: that's good to know that the hotel room is not haunted.
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  Speaker 2: So in this episode, we wanted to chat with Pats
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  Speaker 2: about something that's
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  Speaker 2: Not that deep, but not really lah, but philosophical lah.
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  Speaker 2: So about the afterlife, specifically from a Southeast Asian perspective.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was inspired by the classic Incredible tales episode,
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  Speaker 2: shaking off the ghosts.
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  Speaker 2: Every major religion in Southeast Asia has its own beliefs
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  Speaker 2: regarding the afterlife. Some believe in heaven and hell, some
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  Speaker 2: believe in reincarnation or rebirth. Uh, within the region, there
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  Speaker 2: are a number of religious, uh, festivals and certain periods
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  Speaker 2: during the year that honor, celebrate and remember the deceased.
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  Speaker 2: Pitru Paksha is a sixteen-day stretch during which Hindus pay
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  Speaker 2: homage to their ancestors with prayers and donations. According to
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  Speaker 2: an article by the National Library Board, quote, Although it
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  Speaker 2: is not required for Muslims to visit the cemetery during Hariraya,
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  Speaker 2: many do so as a remembrance of those who have
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  Speaker 2: left them, end quote. The Buddhist and Taoists have Qingming,
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  Speaker 2: which is observed by visiting cemeteries and columbariums with food
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  Speaker 2: and offerings for deceased relatives.
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  Speaker 2: And All Souls' Day is when Christians pray for the
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  Speaker 2: souls of the faithful departed. But it's easy to see
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  Speaker 2: why you might have, you know, um, have an interest
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  Speaker 2: in the afterlife, uh, considering what we all grew up with,
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  Speaker 2: was there anything in particular that sparked that interest?
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  Speaker 1: Um, I think that because we have so many different
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  Speaker 1: like races both in like Malaysia and Singapore, right? Like when, when, like, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's say on the table, sometimes it's brought up like
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  Speaker 1: I would say like, oh, after this, my next life,
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  Speaker 1: I will do this, do this, do this, but there's
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  Speaker 1: some someone like across me, maybe Malay, right, will be like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to heaven, you know, heaven, I can get
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  Speaker 1: anything I want and I'm like, wait, how come like
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  Speaker 1: not fair? You get everything you want, but I need
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  Speaker 1: to go through life again.
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  Speaker 1: So which of it is true and, and also like, uh, in,
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  Speaker 1: in Taoist and Buddhist, both Chinese, right, but like, um, one,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you know, uh, in, in Buddhism, it's about reincarnation,
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  Speaker 1: very akin to like Hindu belief, but like in Taoism
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  Speaker 1: it's like a structured like heaven or hell, right, like
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  Speaker 1: you go in, you get your sin's way, and then, yeah, which, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I've always questioned it.
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  Speaker 1: As a kid growing up,
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  Speaker 2: speaking of like afterlife, right, I think I told you
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  Speaker 2: this before, like there's the one thing that I was
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  Speaker 2: really scared of, right, is afterlife. And why? Because when
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  Speaker 2: I was young I ever questioned my uh myself that
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  Speaker 2: what if, right? What if?
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  Speaker 2: After you pass away, right, it will just be like
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  Speaker 2: a black void. So you try to close your eyes,
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  Speaker 2: you try to imagine this. What if you are just
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  Speaker 2: like a soul trapped in like the, the vacuum, and
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  Speaker 2: then you just like you cannot do, you cannot move
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  Speaker 2: your hands, you cannot. I, I don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: explain nothingness. It's like nothingness. It's so scary. I really,
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  Speaker 2: but you're, you're, so you're saying that you're conscious, but
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  Speaker 2: you're just like you just like.
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  Speaker 2: So you're scared that you're bored la bored, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, like right now you are
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  Speaker 2: in control.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I get it, because you, you, there's nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do. You can't like put out your PS5. You
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  Speaker 2: can't play games. It's not really that. It's just like
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  Speaker 2: you can't control anything right now. You're in control of
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  Speaker 2: all your actions, correct? But you know, later on, like,
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  Speaker 2: what if it's just a black void? You cannot do anything.
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  Speaker 2: You just like, but then if you, you are conscious,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't have a body or you don't have anything,
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  Speaker 2: you're just a consciousness being, right? Then, then you can
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  Speaker 2: just go to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing, bro. I, I don't know. Whenever, whenever
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  Speaker 2: there's there will come a period of time that I
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  Speaker 2: will feel that way and then I will feel so empty,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like.
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  Speaker 2: I need to do something with my life. Really. Do
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  Speaker 2: you still feel that way if I get into the zone,
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  Speaker 2: get into the zone, really, I'm not. I believe you.
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  Speaker 2: People telling you I know you love me when I
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  Speaker 2: get into the zone, we are talking about afterlife, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, to be fair, we never died before,
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  Speaker 1: so we wouldn't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, but apparently there's rituals in Thailand that you can do,
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  Speaker 2: I think in Korea as well, to actually experience death.
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  Speaker 2: They put you in a coffin.
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  Speaker 2: Then you, you trance, you go into a trance. I
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  Speaker 2: know people who have done the ritual and like they
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  Speaker 2: went to hell to experience hell. So, so it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's simulated so that they appreciate life is, is legit
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  Speaker 2: because they want to like meditate. They want to appreciate
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  Speaker 2: life and see what hell is like. So I, I
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  Speaker 2: know of people who have casually, oh yeah, I've been
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  Speaker 2: to
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  Speaker 2: hell.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's a great idea. Maybe we can grab
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  Speaker 1: like 10 people from 10 different religions and then send,
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  Speaker 1: put them inside the coffin.
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  Speaker 1: And then like see where which which server of hell
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  Speaker 1: they go to like do they see Jesus or do
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  Speaker 1: they see like Amy to 4 or is it their
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  Speaker 1: next life instantly to finally answer the question of which
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  Speaker 1: ones
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  Speaker 2: yeah yeah
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  Speaker 1: like which one is the
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  Speaker 1: the
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  Speaker 2: true one yeah I feel like it's just a skin,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like game, right? Like you choose this class.
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  Speaker 2: Then therefore your god is this skin, but they are
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  Speaker 2: all the same. The, the, the mighty being is just
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  Speaker 2: 11 same light, but it's just based on your race
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  Speaker 2: and your religion that you were born with. Then that's
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  Speaker 2: your skin. It's like different DLCs. Yeah, exactly. It's like
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  Speaker 2: you're a warrior. You cannot use.
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  Speaker 2: Make skin, right, it's the same thing but it's just different. I, I,
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  Speaker 2: that's my perspective from a point of view, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: But really, but then again, everyone like help each other lah.
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  Speaker 2: So like, you know, like jungle helped me and then
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  Speaker 2: but you were saying that when you were younger you
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  Speaker 2: always
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  Speaker 2: Wonder which one was the true afterlife. Yeah. In this
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  Speaker 2: present moment, have you come to some kind of conclusion
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  Speaker 2: or are you still trying to figure that out or
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  Speaker 2: are you at peace with the idea of not knowing?
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  Speaker 1: Happens in the afterlife. It's what you do in this life,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like how you impact like people around you,
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  Speaker 1: communities around you. So I don't put too much thought
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  Speaker 1: in that. But actually, like 2 to 3 years ago,
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  Speaker 1: uh I started practicing Hinduism. So I, I guess in
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  Speaker 1: a way like
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  Speaker 1: After, let's say I die, then, well, at least there's
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  Speaker 1: some books or texts that illustrate it, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not like emptiness, nothingness like a void, yeah, because it's
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  Speaker 1: always been void for me. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah, trailer.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a thin line between.
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  Speaker 2: Reverence for the deceased and having a supernatural encounter. As
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  Speaker 2: the National Library Board puts it in an article, quote,
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  Speaker 2: Special care is taken by someone to avoid the attention
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  Speaker 2: of wandering souls during the 7th lunar month, which ironically
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  Speaker 2: was last, uh, the last day was yesterday, end quote.
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  Speaker 2: Parts have you encountered anything supernatural while filming videos about
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  Speaker 2: the afterlife?
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  Speaker 1: Well, um, if it's related to like videos of the
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  Speaker 1: afterlife like Qingming or like Hungry Ghost Festival, actually, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think, I think so far like I have been
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  Speaker 1: like protected or shielded, hm, because, because like before we start, right,
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  Speaker 1: the project, like, like Hungry Ghosts and like even Qingming,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's like.
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  Speaker 1: You start by praying to the to the kong first
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  Speaker 1: and then the taiakong so I, I will ask for
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  Speaker 1: permission like in a way like, like, and then usually
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  Speaker 1: I don't go empty handed. I will buy like the
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  Speaker 1: offerings and then I burn first and then I say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is my payment for you. Like you
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  Speaker 1: settle it like you pay upfront and then later you
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  Speaker 1: do later, not like do first then pay negotiation first, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So so far OK, but uh if if you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about like most scary experience.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, well, me and my team, we had like this
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  Speaker 1: like synced nightmare event, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, um, at,
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  Speaker 1: at Lombar Bujang. So, um, I went there, I, I
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  Speaker 1: asked for permission, like, oh, I thank you for, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've been here, I'll meditate for a bit, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I respect you, respect me. Then my tour guide previous
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  Speaker 1: trip was like, oh, there are a lot of rocks
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  Speaker 1: here because that's, um, at that area it's also like mountainous.
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  Speaker 1: And if you know, mountainous equals Ban place also, so
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  Speaker 1: it's like a combination of like multiple factor different server together, OK.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so, um, over there, um, I, I got
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  Speaker 1: some rocks. I bring home. Nothing happened to me, but
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  Speaker 1: on my second trip there, the tour guide was like giving,
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  Speaker 1: giving out rocks to my friends like, Oh, look, quartz
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  Speaker 1: for you, rose quartz for you, amethyst for you. So
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  Speaker 1: my friend was like, Wow, very nice. Then she bring
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  Speaker 1: back to the hotel, and that night was like.
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  Speaker 1: It was quite fun. It started off with me waking
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  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night like, whoa, something
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  Speaker 1: don't feel so right. I went to the toilet, uh,
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  Speaker 1: my videographer who has the eye, right, and the, the radar,
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  Speaker 1: he's my radar. He also met me at the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was like, why did you wake up? He's
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  Speaker 1: like asking me, why did you wake up? Then we
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  Speaker 1: went back to, we went back to sleep. And then
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  Speaker 1: suddenly it was during this sleep I got a nightmare.
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  Speaker 1: So the nightmare was like,
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  Speaker 1: Uh, I was sleeping and then suddenly my blanket was
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  Speaker 1: being pulled from the right side, which was next to me, my,
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  Speaker 1: my female friend that picked up the rock, and it
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  Speaker 1: got pulled off her. So, and then I freaked out.
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  Speaker 1: I was like screaming her name. I was like, her
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  Speaker 1: name is Celeste. I was like, Celeste, Celeste, are you OK?
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  Speaker 1: Are you OK? And then I was struggling. Then suddenly
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  Speaker 1: it was like sleep paralysis. I realized, hm, maybe, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I should like.
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  Speaker 1: Get out of here for a while. I went downstairs
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  Speaker 1: to like text like my mentor. Two hours later, they
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  Speaker 1: were like, Yo, where are you? I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm downstairs. And then I went up. Then they all
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  Speaker 1: like look very like frazzled, you know. Then I was like,
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  Speaker 1: You guys OK? And my videographer, right, he, he said
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  Speaker 1: like from the moment.
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  Speaker 1: He started sleeping. Uh, he has been battling something. He's
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  Speaker 1: been fighting something, and that thing is like he said
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  Speaker 1: like this hotel is everywhere, but it followed us from somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why he got, he, he was fighting so tired,
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  Speaker 1: like he was tired, so he, we met at the
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  Speaker 1: like the toilet at the same time because he took
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  Speaker 1: a break or so.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, then after that I was like, OK. Then he
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I think we cannot go
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  Speaker 1: to the next location, which is Gunnong Jerai. It's like
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  Speaker 1: the most, the, the very Ban hotspot, like, like the
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  Speaker 1: top destination, yeah, yeah. So, um, that was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be the shooting plan. Uh, then, OK, he said that
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  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, OK, maybe, yeah, we shouldn't go. It's
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  Speaker 1: also like 4 a.m. and we're supposed to be like.
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  Speaker 1: Going up there at like 6 and like I haven't slept.
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  Speaker 1: Then secondly, uh, I asked Celeste, right? I was like, yo, uh,
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  Speaker 1: how are you OK? She's like, I'm very scared. Then
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, OK, why are you scared? And then she
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  Speaker 1: told me like, you know, I, I, I heard you
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  Speaker 1: calling my name. Then I was like,
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  Speaker 1: But, but I did call your name, but I was asleep.
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  Speaker 1: And so how do you, how did you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: And she was like, I don't know, I, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: you were calling me. Then when I opened my eyes,
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  Speaker 1: you were asleep. Then I was like, Oh, how did,
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  Speaker 1: how did the audio link, like Bluetooth, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I am sure I was asleep, and if I shouted
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  Speaker 1: her name, my videographer would have woke up like, why
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  Speaker 1: are you shouting? You get what I mean? So that,
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  Speaker 1: that is very mind-boggling. It's like metaphysics level. I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: I mean for
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  Speaker 1: me, then I told them my side lah, and then
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  Speaker 1: they were all like, hm, some, I think something we
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  Speaker 1: didn't do right or something from the, the archaeological site
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  Speaker 1: where the temples are. Then I'm just like thinking like
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  Speaker 1: what could it be, you know? Did we say something?
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  Speaker 1: Did we do something? Because I did the same thing. I,
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  Speaker 1: I go and pray and ask for respect everything. Then suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: suddenly one of them uh realized, I think my, my assistant, uh,
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  Speaker 1: my PA, he, he was like, oh my God, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's the stone, you took the stone.
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  Speaker 1: Then, so that's like the stone, the stone. Oh, then,
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  Speaker 1: then I was like, but I took it and I'm fine.
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  Speaker 1: My Per was like, you see silver, ma. Then I
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  Speaker 1: was like, OK, OK, I get it. I get it. OK,
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  Speaker 1: so what's the solution? Then we were like thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think return no. And then because we cannot go
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  Speaker 1: back there, right, so we pass it to the.
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  Speaker 1: To, to, to our tour guide la and then hopefully
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  Speaker 1: everything is fine. But then the crazy part was like
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  Speaker 1: the next day, right, like, um, when we were shooting right,
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  Speaker 1: another archaeological site, suddenly out of nowhere, right, my, my
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  Speaker 1: videographer was holding the camera, he suddenly tripped, twisted his
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  Speaker 1: ankle and jumped, jumped because he wants to save the
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  Speaker 1: Sony A7C2.
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  Speaker 1: Like he didn't want to like break right so he jumped,
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  Speaker 1: jump and then yeah, then after that the whole shoot
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  Speaker 1: like we couldn't really shoot anymore because his leg was
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  Speaker 1: like gone, you know, like yeah, so then, then he
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  Speaker 1: told me right after he he tripped like he was like,
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  Speaker 1: I told you we shouldn't continue. Then I was like,
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  Speaker 1: but I really invest.
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  Speaker 2: I really spend money.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, ah, coming from a person who has read a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stories, you know, I mean, I tell a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stories, right, would rule number one.
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  Speaker 2: When you go to a sacred or like a ah
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  Speaker 2: a mysterious place, right, or a place that is haunted, right?
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  Speaker 2: You don't take anything from that place. That's what I learned.
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  Speaker 2: 101, don't take anything even if it's like Nietzsche, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because I've heard stories. Uncle Ramana, so there's this, um, spiritualist,
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  Speaker 2: he actually, uh, helped someone that someone every country she goes,
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  Speaker 2: she will collect all the, you know, the stones, rocks,
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  Speaker 2: and whatnot, right, collect.
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  Speaker 2: And then at one point of time she raba Eddie
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  Speaker 2: bro she become like so obsessed with it and then
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  Speaker 2: she cannot disturb already and the thing you just imagine
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  Speaker 2: I forget which country uh it was, but like let's
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  Speaker 2: say uh Arab Saudi Arabia, right? So the, the lady
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  Speaker 2: went to Saudi and go pick up the stone or
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  Speaker 2: what then the, the gin is from Saudi, bro. Hollo
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  Speaker 2: to Singapore, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I found out that like, you know, stones and crystals, they,
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  Speaker 1: they actually like hold energy like.
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  Speaker 1: Vibration like they absorb right and then it's like like inside.
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  Speaker 1: So sometimes that energy might like uh conflict with your
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  Speaker 1: personal energy or like let's say you have different god
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  Speaker 1: at home, right? Like statues or like whatever you pray to,
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  Speaker 1: like they have a frequency and if it clash, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's where it will be like messy. Yeah, the interaction
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  Speaker 1: of the colliding energies can give nightmares, can give disturbances,
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  Speaker 1: can attract things to come.
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  Speaker 2: So actually if you
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  Speaker 2: think about it, right, like stones or rocks, it's actually quite,
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  Speaker 2: it's very, very old, right? You get what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So like it could be a creature, it's like fossilized, right?
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  Speaker 2: It could be a creature and people like it could
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  Speaker 2: be their home also, you know, you know, going back
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  Speaker 2: to your story, right, like you mentioned that your videographer
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  Speaker 2: could see.
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  Speaker 2: So did he say what he saw?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he, he said like the, the shape is like,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: like humanoid, but, but then, but then the head is like,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: like big, big. Like I, when he told me that
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, wow, is this the demagogon from Stranger Things.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: But then maybe he wouldn't have watched it, so I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: didn't see it. But I, I think it's something like that,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: like humanoid, because they can actually like I think gene
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: and all these things, right, they can take on any form.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Like they want, you know, so like sometimes maybe they
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: appear this way to some people. They might not appear
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: this other way. And then like it's like they can, they,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: they have like this character customization feature anytime. So
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: like they they like they buy a lot of DLCs,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: yeah, like mods, you know, they just
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: it's true. Like, it really depends on like let's say
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: I'm scared of Pochong, right, then they know already I'm
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: scared of Pochong, so they appear as Pochong. But if
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: for different people, maybe they're scared of Pontana, they appear
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: as pontana or something like that.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: That's a very interesting topic because like you know in
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the in the Malay Peninsula like pantheon of like, um, spirits, right,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I hear different spirits got like different skill sets and
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: it's like pick a character in the game, you know, like,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: like so so that one also like makes me wonder
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit lah because like, OK, like for example,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: for example, Pontiana, right, is equivalent to like die during
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: childbirth equivalent to we'll kill you or so like there's this.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: right, but then at the same time they can change from.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Some can, some cannot. So I'm just thinking, what, like how,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: how are they? Do they exist as is, or is,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: are they like they can swap around anytime they want?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I do feel like there is a default setting for,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: for this. I mean that's the best way you can
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: describe it. There's a default setting for these entities and
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: like you said, when they change and everything, it's what
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: works best. So if I really want to frighten this person,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: and if I can change to a different form.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I'll change to a different form and frighten them lah. So,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: so that thing that looked like a demagogon was in
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the house with you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: in the hotel room,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: but, but scary, yeah, like can sing when
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: sing
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: no means that the haunting is like.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: It's because the rocks, the stones were in the room, right?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: So then, yeah, so they all eventually return the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: pass it to my to my tour guide.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Then after that,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: then after that, OK, I mean, then the ankle sprain,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: but then I still like, you know what, I already paid.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: But the tour guide anyhow I, OK, I was about
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: to ask, has anything happened? Has anything happened to the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: tour guide.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: But technically they got the payment ready. The spirit got
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the payment because the videographer sprained the leg.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, maybe the camera was supposed to be famous,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: but the videographer saved the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: camera.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yo, Mark
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: 2,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So no, so
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the production stuff, OK,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: so the, the, the, the videographer sacrifice.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: He was telling me I'd rather pay with my ankle
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: than my I can't afford this.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But, but why must you still pay? You already what
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the stone.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, that one haven't yet.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why they, they wrote. I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: sure they were not happy. So parts are just now
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: before we roll, you actually mentioned that you have ghost
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: stories in Singapore. Why Singapore haunted? I wanted to ask
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the same question Is Singapore haunted?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I believe so. I believe that every corner, every place
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: is like high pack, like high density concentration.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I think because the land is too small, maybe the
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: maybe the ghosts haven't reincarnated or maybe not sure which
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: server maybe instead of the void they're just in the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: HDB
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: so instead of the void in the void deck maybe
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: that's what the void deck is for ah for the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: ghosts the waiting area technically not not wrong. OK, maybe
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: we start off with how many.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Encounters, encounters that you had in Singapore.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: OK, uh, my, well, I've been to, I'm here, this
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is like my probably 5th or 6th time here. I'm
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: hoping this trip is not going to add to the list.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Then it will be like every, everyone is like checkmark already. Uh,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: one of, OK, one of the encounters, uh, I can
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: start off with this one was like the intro intro
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: episode when I was sleeping, uh.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I think I I slept at 5 and then suddenly 6, I,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I got sleep paralysis. And then when I, when I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: woke up, right, uh, that house got, my mom got
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: something I already noticed because I was there, I slept there.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I slept like in the living room. I saw something
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: at the side.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Of the house like at the shrine area. I think
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I got a, I got a dream. I went there,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: something is inside the shrine moving, yeah yeah yeah. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: told my friend, uh, I think your house or something.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: She said, no lah. I already got like the the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: priest to come like the spirit medium. Then I was like,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like what spirit medium? Like the western one. And I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: was like, oh OK. Then I slept on her bed, right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I was trying to take a nap in the afternoon, right,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and then suddenly I had sleep paralysis in that room,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that room, that room, uh, same room as the one
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that the Connergray concert. So when I opened my eyes, I,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I heard, I couldn't move, right, but I heard like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: surrounding me there was like Buddhist chanting, but it was
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: going backwards. Yeah, I think that was like quite high level.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I woke up and I was like.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Your house is haunted, sis. She was like, no, no,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: we got it cleansed. We got it cleansed. I was like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you get it cleansed by Chinese or or Western because
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Western maybe server also not, not works, you know. You
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: can't do the out demon and then the thing is
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like nijiahimo.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, then she's like, oh yeah, I think it's fine,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: nothing much. Then, then the next time I really no
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: choice that time, really no choice. I, I know the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: house is like messed up, right? But then I was like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you know, what's more messed up is if I have
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: no money to go back, so I go and stay
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: at her house.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: house slipped downstairs. So I think I found out what
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was it lah that is in the house lah because
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: um when I had that sleep paralysis, I saw on
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: my left was like one white color, wearing white color male, uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: like quite tall, like watching over me. Um the appearance
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: is like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Also quite long hair and like flowy clothes, like white
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: color standing next to me. I was like thinking, OK,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: oh my God, this is so scary. Like, like, I mean,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: not it's so Gen Z lah. I was actually scared lah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, and then I looked to my left, right,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: on her bed, right, on her bed, sitting on her bed, right,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: was this like red color.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Dress, red colored dress, like cannot see the face very clear,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: but the hair is quite long also, uh, female, something female,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: like a ghost lah, female ghost. But then, uh, as
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I look right, like the, the neck started like getting
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: longer and longer and I was like, get me out
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of here, like get me out of here, like, like
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I just want to wake up.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And then like I struggle and it's like lucid plus
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it's always like this for me like unfortunately, so like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: when when I woke up, like there's nothing there, there's
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: nothing next to me, then I realized behind me got
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the mirror. Then I was like, oh damn, maybe this
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: might have.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, influenced the whole thing because, you know, sleep in
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: front of a mirror is bad, but I decided, you know, it's,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: it's OK. Thank you very much again, you know, is
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: it Jessica? I don't know who, whoever it is, uh, yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I started packing my bag. I tried to wake my friend.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm scared, and then she couldn't wake up.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, you don't want to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: kick me out. I'll leave first. So I packed my
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: bag and then I, I left the unit at like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: 7 a.m. and I remember like I was walking with
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: my luggage at 7 a.m. I was like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Now where do I go? But I, I see, I,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I don't, I cannot, I cannot pinpoint and I cannot
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: understand lah, but I, I believe that house, right after
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I asked her and everything, she, she said like before this, her,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: she lived there, there's a family there and they're like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Chinese Taoists. Then, then I said the shrine at the outside,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: like the corner, is it yours? Or then they said
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: they left it behind.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then, then I think like very unethical, la,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you know, when you like when you move out of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the house or you will sell the house and then
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you don't move all your stuff away, and then if you,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: if you invite the God to come to your, your
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: house before, right, and then you don't send it off properly,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: it's very, very bad.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Like what's her religion?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: crystals.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: It's so it's just crystals.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's like crystals and tarot cards,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: so that's, right? So that makes sense lah. Then you've
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: got your tower shrine outside and your crystals inside.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: When you talk about, she don't believe. Maybe she don't believe, yeah, but,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: but I just want to like understand how the thing flow.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: The house itself, the, the, the apartment itself is just
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the two of you, or are there other
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: people? There's this like rental rental,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: but it's like a HDB flat la. Then the shrine
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: is inside the house or outside, inside the house, just
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: at the living room, room corner. Then
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: nobody pray to it. No,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: nothing there. There's no statue there.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Or the shrine shrine. Wait,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: wait, wait, wait, wait, so the previous family left the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: shrine on there and nobody who's living there now talk
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: to themselves.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe we don't keep or was it, was it the,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: perhaps it could be the family that that moved out,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: but they rent the house. OK, yeah, then they told
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the tenants cannot, but then there were things inside the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: shrine itself, maybe occult stuff. Yeah, yeah. I have a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: few theories. It could be the shrine itself that's attracting
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: or the house already haunted or your friend is the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: portal because it seems to.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Revolve around your friend. Oh yeah, because she got the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Ouija board. The Ouija board is actually a portal that's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: maybe she opened already. She don't know. I, I, I
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: don't think it's, but, yeah, don't know how to settle. Maybe,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and these are Chinese ghost, bro.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chinese ghost,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: but red red color usually very strong one, right? Yes,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: is it vengeful red color is vengeful
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: spirit. Why I got white beside me?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: White is normal, just a normal like maybe a hungry
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: ghost or wandering spirit lah, but red usually is venge,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: vengeful
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: revenge.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: They know each other, you
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: know, maybe they are siblings or maybe like they together
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: in the ghost realm like they are friends in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: ghost real ghosts in the same house. Maybe one is Jessica,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: maybe the red one is Jessica and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: red like Singapore.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Fair patriotic ghost, but true, ah,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: it's scary. Yeah, maybe the red one is the Jessica, yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: you know, when you, you know, when you look at, uh,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the photos of, uh, certain houses, if you, let's say
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: you're looking for rental or buying, right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: You see some photos like this house haunted, yeah, you know, like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: it looks very sad on the photo like, wow, this
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: sometimes from the picture itself you can like sense the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: kind of sense like the house.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: OK, now why is Singapore so haunted? Is it because
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of the land, the, the density,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you know, right? Even though I feel like, I heard
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: some Malaysians say, say this, you know, like even though
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Singapore is small, right, but for some reason it's damn haunted.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Who said that Malaysians or someone, someone quite famous said
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that lah. But it is because of Singapore's size, I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: think it makes sense that by density we are the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: most haunted city in the world, cram everything crammed together. No,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: because it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: too small.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Hong Kong can fight.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Hong Kong can fight, but I, I, I
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: do think that density, they don't care. And I mean
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the ghosts also cram 7 months you see
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: after that incident, right, going back to this.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Like one or two years later, she like texted me
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and then she was like, you know, you are right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Then I'm like, what, what, what do you mean? She's like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like, like my, remember that time you came
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to my house and blah blah blah bla blah, I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: didn't believe you. You might actually be right. Then I
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was like, OK, what happened now? She said she moved
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: up back to her parents' house, and then suddenly her
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: room got like rotting smell, and I found out there's like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: there's like worms and like.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, like maggots inside the aircon, yeah, like the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: compressor or something, so it's like blowing like insect dead
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: insect air.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then her, and then her room like always
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: get moldy and then she said like, like one day
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: she was like using her phone on the bed and the,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the like the rod for the for the curtain like
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: suddenly fell off and like hit her. Yeah, and then
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I was like
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Final Destinationssica it's Jessica, bro. She got follow already.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Then I said, hm yeah, I, I'm, yeah,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: yeah well seek
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: help.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Well,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and then she told me like her brother was passing
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: by her room and I saw like one lady wearing
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: red seat on her bed also. Then I was like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it must be, it's the same one.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It's Jessica, of course. Ouija board, is it? What is
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: your name? How she know I think they
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just give a name nickname maybe she wants to be funny,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I understand you want to play it cooler. Like, yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: she like,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: got,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, for me lah, because I was in it
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and then I, I, I witnessed it for the first
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: time I saw a figure like that.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing with Singapore. I go and I, I, I'm
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: like doing all this mystical content in Malaysia, so like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: not as bad as this. Can see the can see
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the form
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: because she
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: saw the spirit, yeah. Then the brother also saw like
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: her friend's brother it wasn't a dream for you.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Or you, or like you said, you don't know whether
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: it's
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: lucid or I don't know.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I really, I really don't know because it's like this.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Then like this I was like, oh, and then I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: again
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: mirror to look, you look right, got ghost. You look left,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: got loose. You look left, right, lah, yeah, so you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: close your eyes.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You know, you know what's the scary part? It's like,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: imagine you close, then you still see it. I don't
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: know I think I read a ghost story or something
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: like that. They close. The spirit is still there, even
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: they close their eyes. Can you imagine how screwed up
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: is that? It's in your brain already. It's in your
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: brain already. Then what to do? Give up.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Imagine, OK, imagine that happened, would you, what would you do?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I, I recite prayers, bro. That's the only thing I
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: can do. What else can I do? Recently I got
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a nightmare. Like I said just now, or if she
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: goes and you recite prayer. Wow, bro, in that nightmare, right?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I tried, you know, I tried to recite a prayer.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I cannot recite lah. You forgot. Yeah, suddenly I went blank.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, Allahula forget, bro. Now, like, wow, this one,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: this one dream, you know, if in person, if in
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: real life, ah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It's like really challenging you already, bro, challenging your faith.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: That shows my faith is not strong
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: enough. I saw
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: this IG reel, right, that there's this game on Steam
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: where you can download. It's like, it's like festmophobia, but
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like if you see the ghost, you need to recite
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the Ayakuri, and then if you get it wrong, then
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you need to like they will like show you what's
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the correct. You can hear the audio, then you can
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: memorize through that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: That's like wow.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, what is the game name?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I need to find back. Well, that's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: actually
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: quite good, innovative to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: help people remember.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, I saw one that is there's a Catholic version,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: so you need to exercise, use you, you know, on
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: your mic. Then you need to recite the prayer. Then like,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: then you can walk around as a character. Then you
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: can take out the cross. You can do that. You
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: can rip out, yeah, it's a festival simulated like that, yeah,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: but the ghosts get stronger and stronger like every.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Around every stage the ghosts are stronger. Then I think
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I saw this streamer. He do. Then he do it wrong.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Then the ghost recite it back to him or something.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Then he got scared. He ran away. They don't scare you, bro. OK.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Aside from Bo Chong, I scared of that also. They
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: recite it back to you, right, because technically they are, they,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: they know all this rule. They are way smarter than you.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So just that they are, they are what are rebellious,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you know. They are sombongla people say, but the.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: The reverse Buddhist one is reverse Buddhist chanting.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That is very
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: scary.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: That is messed up. That is like very scary.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Is,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: is there, are there other stories where there's the reverse
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: of the chanting? Have you heard of other stories
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: in, in, in Islam? they got say before if the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: thing is very high level they can like make the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: radio play it backwards
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: or I don't know
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it backwards. But for like if you recite prayers, then
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they recite back means that one strongly.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they laugh at you sometimes. They laugh at you,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: you know. You recite already you like, you like full
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: on your faith. You recite your prayer already. You feel strong,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you know. Suddenly they recite back like, Hey, hey, wrong
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: bodo stupid. I'm not lying, especially when, when someone like possessed, right? Oh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they don't scared lah. Like actually across, across religion that's.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: What happened, but for the Chinese one is slightly different
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: is that when you do the depending on the chance,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: but most of the chance they will come because it's
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to receive, uh, goodwill to help them move on. So
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: don't anyhow recite. They say don't hang out. So some people,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: they're training, right, uh, as Buddhists, right, they do, they meditate,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: then they chant.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You will attract the spirits, bro. Then some, they are
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: not strong enough or they are not skilled enough. The
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: spirit
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: attach, true,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: actually, um,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: this happened to my mom before, just when, when I
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: went to Nan Nanjing in China with her, and then
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: we went to the mausoleum with all the people, right?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I was sorry, not people with like, like the remembrance side, right?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: She took out her beads and then she started like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: praying for them.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Then after that, she lost her bits like the same day.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Then when I came back, I went to the temple
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and then I went with her and then the, the,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the nun told her that something followed her back from China.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: And then, and then we think back like, where did
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: she lose it, where did everything, and then also at
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the same night, right, I got a nightmare also in
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the hotel room. I still got like one grandma and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: one kid.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Like next to me, but it's not my grandma. Then,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: then I was like telling my mom, she was like, OK,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I lost my beats though. We go back to the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: temple and troubleshoot. So I think that's true because like
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: when you pray for them, right, they might come to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: like try to collect that the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: meritt, yeah, because the chance in the Buddhist is actually
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: for you to reincarnate or move on. Yeah. So you come.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So if you're not trained right and you do it right,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: it may attach itself to you. Oh, you help me,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: yeah I come.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And true, also the ghost take the flight back with us.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: No, but then it's also like fate. Like if you
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: believe in like fate, right, everything is fatal. Maybe it's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: fatal that the spirits follow the mom back through so
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: that then the temple can settle because the temple will
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: do the proper prayer and then they get red. Yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: it's fatal sometimes this kind of thing is, is fatal.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Even the ghost haunting is fatal. Did the did the
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: woman and the child?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: No, she didn't. She just said something back from China.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Then we, me and my instantly like, we know, we
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: we exactly know where and how and why. So yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Did you all get the sense that what followed your
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: back was evil or just it just was a
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: present? It wasn't, it wasn't red hair and Singaporean.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: The evilest ghosts, the Singaporean ones. Yeah. So, but one
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: thing a lot of people really appreciate about your videos
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: is that you're not just casually exploring the spiritual customs
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and festivals of different cultures. We're really taking this deep dive.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So for example, when talking about the Mameri people's relationship
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: with their Moyang or ancestors, you actually visited the Mameri
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: in Kampong Sukai Bombun.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Uh, how much research do you do before making a video,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and this one's a bit more relevant to our show.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: You know, you talked earlier on about, you know, there's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: certain things that you have to do to prepare for
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: spiritual protection. So what sort of rituals do you conduct
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: or items do you carry to ensure that spiritual
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: protection?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Go overseas to or or like if I'm going to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: stay at like these places I, I usually bring with
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: me my my uh my my prayer bits in in
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in Tamils called Ruraksha like like the 108th 1 that
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that's for like when I when I meditate at night
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: or if I pray I will use and then I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: mean I.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like it protects me lah and then there's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: also one cloth that I bring around. I got it
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: from the temple. Yeah, it's a, it's kind of like
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: it has like some some prayers on it lah. So
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I just keep it next to my bed when I
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: sleep because uh for me, I'm just like my concerning
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: part about being me.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: That usually they find me in my dreams like whatever
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I mentioned just now it's all dream related. It's not
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: open the door like, oh hello, they close. No, it's it's,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: it's all like in the subconscious, so I keep that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: with me when I sleep, uh, and when I'm visiting sites, right,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I usually just go empty-handed like because you know.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, right, like if you carry
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: all that talisman with you and then you go in, right, it's,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like conflicting also because you're in a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: way you're going into their space, right? Like you get
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like if someone comes to your house
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and then they wear like bulletproof vest and masks, you'll
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: be like, bro, calm down, bro. Like why you, why
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: you like so armored up, you get what I mean?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So I want to appear like, you know.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Just come as I am, you know, I'm not a threat.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: You are not a threat to me. Like we have
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: this like it's like more mutual lah. Yeah, I mean, uh,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: for me, like I, I will, of course every, every
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: week I go to my temple, like my temple, I,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it's like my weekly commitment to go. So before I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: start on any like shoot or like project, I will
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: like pray first and say like I hope it goes well.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: That's that's step one.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: The step two is the localized one. So like, like
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I said, like Qing Ming, I will ask the Tuttikong
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and everything, you know, like please, you know, like I
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: don't want anything. I'm just here to do educational content,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: not here to make like
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: yeah
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: trouble or like make it dramatized. So
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: how
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: do you feel about having, uh, prayers for the particular
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: festival and then your own personal prayers.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think, I think, I think, OK, it's not like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, you go, B cannot go a,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's like respect or like every, like everything
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: in the universe because everything is, is, is like.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: As it's as easy, you know, it's, it's not like
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: because this is Christian or because this is not, you
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: cannot respect ma. I'm, I'm going there not to like
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: ask for favors or so I'm, I'm just like informing
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like I'm here, I want to do my shoot peacefully.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I think that's what is special about Southeast Asia is
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: that we are.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: We are very mixed lah and it's like sometimes it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the culture is a little bit cross also like for example,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: one thing that's very unique to Southeast Asia is Natukong.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Natukong is like um a localized deity, uh, but it's
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: like Topekong, right, but with the, the yellow karamat.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Singapore has it. Uh, it's at, uh,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Kus
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Island, yeah, she knows it's Kusu Island. It's quite a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: special one,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that's the biggest one. Yeah,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: that's the biggest one. So it's like it's a mixed one.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: It's a cross-culture. It's, it's not, it's not known in, uh,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: outside of Southeast Asia, because, uh, Tutigong, the earth deity, right,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: is very Chinese. Then they have like this.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Localized version of it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Indonesia,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Indonesia, Southeast
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Asia.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It's not an exact like SOP or rules, you know, it's,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like how you perceive like other religions
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and how you interact with people. So and like also
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: depending on your servers, rules, terms and conditions, right? Like,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: like then, then you can decide what you want to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: do in a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: way.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I love how the euphemism for this server.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Very nicely. The Southeast Asian law is quite, quite deep. Like,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: so then, you know, a lot of hybrid already,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: correct? But like the overarching theme is always about like respect,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like different, different, like in Malay's like alarm,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like if, if you're, if you're going into
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: like a different zone, it's like
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: like different uh.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Uh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: realm, yeah, yeah, like realm or like area, right, like
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the most important thing is you respect what's there. You
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: don't take what's not yours like like the story and
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like you need to like like acknowledge their presence, like
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: tell them like your intention, like you have good intention,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: not here to do anything bad, like that, that is
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: The control variable, you know, it's like present in like
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: all of the like requirements so I think in Southeast Asia,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: like as long as you have good intention, you have
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: like
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: No, nothing bad you want to do and you ask
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: and you haha, it's OK. Yeah, they are, they are
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: pretty
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: chill.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: You must respect. You don't then
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you can it's just like,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you know, like Asian culture lah. You, you go to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: people's house, you take off your shoes kind of thing, yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Alright, so this question is for everyone here and those
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: watching at home. If you could play a prank on
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: your loved ones at your funeral.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: What would it be? I, I start first. I would,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't play any prank on a funeral. You're, you're
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: you're so nice. You're so respectful. I'm so nice but
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like to me like.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Why would someone play a prank at a funeral? I mean, like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: for my, I mean, in my belief, lah, in my belief,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: like I think it's a bit wrong. I play prank
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: at the funeral, but if from you, you are the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: one who's playing prank. That's, that's the thing like.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: If we, we are talking about afterlife, right, like I
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: don't even know if I'm going to hell or heaven,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and then like if you pass away, then you play
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: pranks and then you go to hell, then like, oh well,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you know, you get what I mean, it, it be
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: damn good prank. My prank will be I will, I
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: will hire a comedian dressed as my attorney, my lawyer,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and then go up to my family during my funeral
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and tell them that you guys get nothing. He donated everything, guys. Sorry.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: And then have him stand there, wait for like 30 seconds.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Surprise is a joke. You better make sure this comedian
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: can run faster they chase him and then the last
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: instruction is run.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I always had this thought in my head. Maybe it's
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: not a prank, la, not on for my loved ones. Like, like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, um, it would be funny. OK, uh, let's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: just say, uh, I end up in like some sort
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of like Buddhist Taoist funeral. I don't know. I don't
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: know because I don't know how, what is gonna happen
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: when I die because I'm Hindu, right, so I'm not
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: sure where, um, so I imagine like my outer like
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: maybe like a nirvana or something, or like two candles, right?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Anytime someone I don't like steps into the wrong of
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: the candle.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah. Then, then they'd be like, everyone will
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: freak out, you know, everyone will be like, why, why
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: this person, why this person? And then the person will
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: feel very stressed also like they will come to me
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and say sorry or I'm so sorry, or they just
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: run away. That'd be fun to watch. Oh,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I wish I had gone first because that's such a good,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: you get to watch it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the server.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: it really depends on the server like will you just roam,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: will you just go up or go down or you
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: go to the passageway, don't know, but if I can, right,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: or just off the, off the whole make the whole
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: building electricity trip.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I love the candles one because that's very specific to people. Oh,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: so like somebody comes like that like you, I don't
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: like what did I do to you?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you better be on the camera
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: after the person, uh, ask for forgiveness. Then you mine
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: is a mine is a very, I say classic prank.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who's actually pulled this, but I've
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: heard a lot of people who want to do this.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Set up a pulley system with my body.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: So that when certain people come to pay their respects,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: my body just pops up.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Your dead body. My dead body. Nice. Yes, I think
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: by the same time. No, no, just a, just a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: freak out. It doesn't have to say anything. Just like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: it will break it up like that. He's just assuming
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: it's an open casket, lah. We don't know, right? Let's
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: assume it's an open casket. We don't know lah, right? Hey,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: if closed casket, it would be even funnier. Wow.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Pop out of the casket everything, but technically if you
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: do believe that there is nothing right, then you don't
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: really care about the body, right? You can just play
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: with it, right, especially if it's you lah. You are
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the one who's playing with it, correct? It look, it's,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: it's this is gonna sound weird, but it's my body.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I can do whatever your choice, right? Yeah, exactly.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: As fascinating as this discussion has been, it's time to
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: bring this episode to a close, and that means it's
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: time for Kyle to give us our morbid fact of
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the day. Kyle, so there might be an alternative option
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: to Afterlife, uh, in our future, it's basically the Matrix lah, huh.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, mind uploading is, as the BBC puts, quote, a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: proposed technology that would allow for the structure of your
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: brain to be effectively mapped, rendered, and uploaded into a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: digital cloud, end quote. So, basically, right, you upload your consciousness,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: your your brain, and allowing you to live forever, but
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: in a virtual world. So like you upload your whole
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: entire persona, everything to like.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I guess social media platforms, would you guys upload your
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: mind online? I mean, technically we already are. I mean
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: like for you, no, for win no because you guys
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: are creatives, but for some people they use AI already
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: then technically you upload your brain.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Whoa,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a conversation we can only have in 2026 it gets
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: worse every year.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: uh, with the technology, uh, we are all being scrapped
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: lah like our because you know this show is online
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: as well, so.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I think uh uh I I won't say a consciousness,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a version of ourselves is being put through um uh
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: LOM already. So there's no escaping big technology. Um, however,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: if I have the choice to upload my brain, my conscious,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't die then die already. I want to live
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: forever for what. So let's say you could upload your brain,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: your brain into the cloud.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: If they give you an option to upload your brain
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: into one particular game, which game would you upload your
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: brain into? The rest of eternity, right? You're in a game.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Sounds fun Jumanji.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's pretty old. I don't know what
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: fun.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of want to be the MPC inside
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: GTA 6.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I saw that. I saw that coming. In all seriousness, uh,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: maybe Pokemon. I want to be a Pokemon master. I
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: really can't think of anything. No, I thought you like Pokemon. Yeah,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: but you already picked Pokemon. What? No, you cannot. We
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: go on a journey together. Maybe he becomes the trainer.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: You become the Pokemon.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: So, so you become the old unk at the tower. Hey,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want you to go to the game. I
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: already am the old a. I don't know. Well, become
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: what become snow legs. You can pick whichever. It's your choice.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: You can pick whichever Pokemon you want to be. You
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: will be 2. No, me too, like not, not in
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: line with my character. Oh then what do you want?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know anything.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: How about you? What game?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Um, well, I guess.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: So we all in Pokemon. Win the guy with the seagull,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the old guy with the seagull. I, I was told
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: before I look like Jigglypuff.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: And thank you again Patz for joining us and thank
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: you to all of you for tuning into Tales from
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  Speaker 2: Incredible Tales. New episodes go online every week on MeWatch,
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  Speaker 2: Me Listen, YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Pat.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: My
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: name is Wayne. My name is Kyle, my name is F.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: And we'll see you next time. Tales from Incredible Tales
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  Speaker 2: was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Ru and Kyle Ong,
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  Speaker 2: with special guests, parts, directed and produced by Kyle Ong,
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  Speaker 2: written by Wayne Rui, assistant director, Chin Chin Wei, director
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  Speaker 2: of photography, Shervin Chua, Gaffer, Jonathan.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Chan, art director, Jolene Lim, sound recordist, Audrey Lee. Behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes footage shot by Ella May Walker, hair and
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: makeup by Bino Lim, Production assistance, Aishwarani Durias Singam, Ella
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: May Walker. Post-production by Fudge Studios. Assistant editor, Ella May Walker.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Motion graphics by Jolene Lim.
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  Speaker 2: Camera support by Nikon Singapore, lighting support by Amaan, smoke
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  Speaker 2: support by PMI gear, monitor support by Desview and DC
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  Speaker 2: Pro Private Limited. Special thanks to Danny Kurdy from Midicorp.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Tales from Incredible Tales is a production of Hantu and MediaCorp.
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  Speaker 2: Google Podcast, and YouTube. Thank you for listening.