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Ryan Coogler & Peter Nicks On Reimagining The National Anthem, American Roots, Symbolism + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Mourning. Everybody is j n V.
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  Speaker 2: Charlamagne the God. We are to Breakfast Club. We got
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  Speaker 2: some special guests joining.
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  Speaker 1: Us this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, we got Ryan Coogler and Peter Nicks.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome fellas, Thanks for having feeling feeling good, feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, happy, Happy to be invite new documentary anthem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've long felt like the national anthem, like
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  Speaker 1: most things in America, need to be changed to represent
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  Speaker 1: the world we currently live in. Clearly y'all felt the same,
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  Speaker 1: which is which is why the doc.
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  Speaker 3: Was created, right absolutely, I mean, I think we're in
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  Speaker 3: a time right now where we're examining our identity, you know,
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  Speaker 3: searching for our identity, trying to express it in different ways,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of collisions in how we express
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  Speaker 3: those identities, and that the moment felt right to to
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  Speaker 3: inquire and to go a little bit deeper on you know,
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  Speaker 3: the history of that song and also the opportunity to
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  Speaker 3: imagine what an anthem would be like for today that
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  Speaker 3: reflects the American story.
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  Speaker 2: What made you dive deep into the anthem? Right Because
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  Speaker 2: we're in school, you learn it, you don't really think
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  Speaker 2: much of it. This was very knowledgeable because it's where
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  Speaker 2: the origin came from. When you're a student, they don't
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  Speaker 2: teach you origin. They just say sing it, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? So what made y'all dive deep into
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  Speaker 2: actually understanding learning and to even discuss this.
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  Speaker 3: I've been looking at a couple of projects that we're
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  Speaker 3: examining this collision between patriotism and protests, and obviously we're
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  Speaker 3: seeing it in the headlines every day. I've always wanted
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  Speaker 3: to make a music talk number one, and the Anthem
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  Speaker 3: seemed like a perfect stage to examine the American voice
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  Speaker 3: in the American the American story, and also this notion
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  Speaker 3: that music does bring us together and that maybe a
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  Speaker 3: project using music as an exploration of the American story
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  Speaker 3: could in some way reflect some idea of optimism in
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  Speaker 3: this difficult time that we're in right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning that, you know. I guess stand up comedy
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  Speaker 1: is such an inspiration for creative minds like yourself, because
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  Speaker 1: Anthem seems to be rooted in a bit from Roy
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  Speaker 1: Woods Junior. And then y'all walked in and y'all said,
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  Speaker 1: y'all was out last night watching Chappelle and Chris Rock,
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  Speaker 1: So what is it about comedy that that sparks those seeds.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think personally, I think like stand up.
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  Speaker 5: Is probably like the highest form of storytelling with like
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  Speaker 5: a high degree of difficulty, as you know, but it's
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  Speaker 5: also a forum where you can, you know, where you
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  Speaker 5: can ask you can ask questions and that and Roy
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  Speaker 5: is brilliant man, he was, he was he hosted our
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  Speaker 5: uh our after party. But that bit is that bit
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  Speaker 5: is kind of incredible, like like for some reason in
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  Speaker 5: that setting they can ask questions and kind of make,
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  Speaker 5: you know, kind of make criticisms playing, you know, And
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  Speaker 5: he was and he was asking you if if you
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  Speaker 5: know what you know it's based off it's based off
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  Speaker 5: of this you know, it's not even it's not even
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  Speaker 5: an American tune, not even American songs based off a
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  Speaker 5: British drinking So I didn't know that the film.
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  Speaker 2: That's said, it's so knowledge that we learned so much
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  Speaker 2: about the film. Yeah, and what made what made you
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  Speaker 2: be a part of this film?
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  Speaker 1: You don't is the stand upoint for us?
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  Speaker 5: We Yeah, I think I think standard like when you laugh,
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  Speaker 5: when you have a natural reaction, times just nervous, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes like man I can't believe this person just said this.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was a lot of that last night.
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  Speaker 5: But but but but at the same time, like like oftentimes,
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  Speaker 5: it's like a it's like a recognition of something, you
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean, and someone storytelling and that and
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  Speaker 5: that and that bit is just it just leads, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if you watch the film, and leads right into you know,
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  Speaker 5: right into it, right into the story. How I got involved.
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  Speaker 5: Pete and I met uh in Oakland over ten years ago.
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  Speaker 5: I was making a film called Fruville. It was Fruitville
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  Speaker 5: then now it was Fruvilleland.
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  Speaker 1: Bro It all comes.
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  Speaker 5: Back though, shape I mean, I mean, pe got three
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  Speaker 5: movies about the actually four now about this about the Bay.
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  Speaker 5: He got a Steph Curry doc coming out next next month, the.
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  Speaker 1: Second greatest player of all time. But we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: that later.
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  Speaker 3: Second we could talk.
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  Speaker 5: We could talk all that, man, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's that's that's yeah, that's that's a nice ranking for him.
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  Speaker 5: But but but we met. We met then he was
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  Speaker 5: making a dog called The Waiting Room, which is about
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  Speaker 5: Highland Hospital, which is which is a you know, a
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  Speaker 5: massive hospital in East Oakland that has a Trauma Award
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  Speaker 5: you know. And it was actually the hospital where where
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  Speaker 5: Oscar Grant rest in peace, where he where he was born,
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  Speaker 5: in the hospital where where he passed away when he
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  Speaker 5: was murdered, and and we were trying to get access
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  Speaker 5: to that place, and so folks in San Francisco Film Society.
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  Speaker 5: It hooked me and Pete, Me and Pete up and
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  Speaker 5: we've been tight since. And in some years back, my
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  Speaker 5: wife is jamesey Evans and my partner called Hanyon, we
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  Speaker 5: started a company called Proximity Media and a few years
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  Speaker 5: after we started, we recruited Pete to come over and
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  Speaker 5: run non fiction for us. So, so he's been making
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  Speaker 5: films you know, you know, for for our company for
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  Speaker 5: some time now, and this is the first one that
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  Speaker 5: we've done in collaboration with Onyx.
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  Speaker 2: So I always like to ask people from the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: both of you, guys, Peter and Ryan, like, how did
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  Speaker 2: you get into film? For somebody out there right now listening,
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  Speaker 2: how was the start, what was the love, what was
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  Speaker 2: the first light bulb that said this is what I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do? And how was that journey of getting
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  Speaker 2: into the game.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I come from a big family. My
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  Speaker 3: mom is one of ten. Dad's one of eight, and
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  Speaker 3: we see big family reunions, lots of cousins running around.
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  Speaker 3: My uncle Ray had a video camera and he'd bring
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  Speaker 3: to the family reunions every summer, and I would take
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  Speaker 3: the camera and run around interview all my family members.
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  Speaker 3: I had a like kind of like you guys didn't
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  Speaker 3: have the King's Chairs, but the Pete Nick show. This
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  Speaker 3: little show and a clip from that is actually an
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  Speaker 3: autobiographical My first film was an autobiographical documentary about the
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  Speaker 3: impact that my addiction. I went to Howard University and
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  Speaker 3: fell into addiction. Sorry, and and my my film at
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  Speaker 3: the Howard Mecca.
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  Speaker 2: He went to the Howard.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said, the Howard. I want to have this.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: He got empathy. Get you.
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  Speaker 1: You went to Howard.
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  Speaker 3: Now I was with you on that. I was ready
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  Speaker 3: to go down the road.
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  Speaker 4: With you on that.
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  Speaker 3: But you know it was really you know my story.
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  Speaker 3: It's a story of a black family, middle class, upper
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  Speaker 3: middle class black family that dealt with things that were
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  Speaker 3: difficult to talk about. And I just from the very
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  Speaker 3: early age, was inspired by my own family story and
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  Speaker 3: felt that there was something there that I wasn't seeing
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  Speaker 3: heard and told and that really began began my journey
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  Speaker 3: as a storyteller. Later when I when I went to
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  Speaker 3: film school and had a choice to make my first film,
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  Speaker 3: it was to Look Within.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you probably should go watch the autobiographical
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  Speaker 1: DOCU did, But what was the addiction?
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  Speaker 3: Uh you name it? Like, depends on the day, depends
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  Speaker 3: my mood.
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  Speaker 1: Just got turned out in college to stay up.
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  Speaker 3: I was working at it was the late eighties, during
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  Speaker 3: the War on drugs. This is when we're rayfel Edmund
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  Speaker 3: Marion Barry. I was working at a club, the Fifth Column,
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  Speaker 3: and just got got sucked in the world. I was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, dealing with a lot of identity issues. And
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's so interesting that I met
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  Speaker 3: Ryan eventually and his his process of storytelling looking at
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  Speaker 3: you know, the black story, the black family, the Black
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  Speaker 3: American story, and reframing that and in a powerful way
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  Speaker 3: is a bit of a kismet.
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  Speaker 1: That's so interesting because there's always a profile of what
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  Speaker 1: an attic looks like, you know, and somebody who was
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  Speaker 1: attending an HBCU probably wouldn't fit that profile, so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, one of the things I learned being
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  Speaker 3: at Howard was that being black being so many different things.
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  Speaker 3: It sort of like exploded my mind, you know, on that.
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  Speaker 3: And and we we we uh have these conceptions that
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  Speaker 3: that black in the media is you know, more flattened
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  Speaker 3: out into a two dimensional narrative. And so that that
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  Speaker 3: was also one of the things I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 3: into my storytelling.
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  Speaker 2: And you ryan, for people that don't know, how did
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  Speaker 2: I get into filmmak, how you got into filmmaking? What
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  Speaker 2: was the first light, boll What made you say this
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  Speaker 2: is what I want to do as a profession.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great question for me.
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  Speaker 5: I grew up in the I'm gonna say, I grew
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  Speaker 5: up in the Bay Area, playing football and going to school.
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  Speaker 5: I liked school. I liked football maybe a little bit more.
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  Speaker 5: Got a scholarship to go to a school called Saint
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  Speaker 5: Mary's College. And and this was in two thousand, two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and three. Very good basketball school, you know, but
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  Speaker 5: they had they had some some you know, they had
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  Speaker 5: football football.
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  Speaker 4: There as well, playing in D one Double A.
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  Speaker 5: And after my freshman season, they dropped their football program.
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  Speaker 5: And that same semester was like we were doing spring ball,
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  Speaker 5: and they dropped.
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  Speaker 4: That bomb on us.
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  Speaker 5: And and I was in an English class, like a
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  Speaker 5: creative writing class, talk about woman named Rosemary Graham, and
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  Speaker 5: she gave the first assignment for us to write about
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  Speaker 5: our most intense emotional experience. And I wrote about something
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  Speaker 5: that happened like a health issue that happened on my pop.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't think much about it, you know, turned it in
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  Speaker 5: and then she called me into her office hours and
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  Speaker 5: had like I went on one with me and was like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you should think about writing screenplays, you know. And that
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  Speaker 5: was really like the first that was really like the
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  Speaker 5: first time and an adult recommended something like that. I
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  Speaker 5: thought it was a crazy recommendation.
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  Speaker 2: You've never been into it.
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  Speaker 5: You was just like, let me, I mean, look, looking back,
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  Speaker 5: I always it was always there, Like my family watched
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  Speaker 5: a lot of movies. That was how we would pastime.
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  Speaker 5: It was how we would communicate with each other, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And I've done a lot of self and now it's
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  Speaker 5: just since then, like a lot you know, like like
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of like what Peace talking about looking back,
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  Speaker 5: my parents came up from Auckland and they was and
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  Speaker 5: they was there when you know that time. Peace talking
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  Speaker 5: about how my parents was in the town and it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't much different. They were trying to They were trying
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  Speaker 5: to stay alive, man, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, young young mary uh.
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  Speaker 5: And they would what they would do for entertainment is like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, go to Blockbuster and rent something and stay
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  Speaker 5: in the house. Had three sons that would keep us
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  Speaker 5: in the house. So that's what we would do, is
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  Speaker 5: I was. That was our culture, you know. And I
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  Speaker 5: always loved, always loved movies. You know, I would do
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  Speaker 5: like theater arts or whatever. If it was an elective,
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  Speaker 5: I'll take theater arts, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 5: it was always there. But her reading something that I
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  Speaker 5: wrote and making that making that suggestion was huge, man.
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  Speaker 5: And and then my wife. It was my girl at
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  Speaker 5: the time, you know, I told her about it. I
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  Speaker 5: was trying to write screenplays and Microsoft Word which is difficult,
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  Speaker 5: if y'all you'll ever tried to write a screenplay before
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  Speaker 5: because of the margins.
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  Speaker 4: And everything goof. Yeah. And then my my my.
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  Speaker 5: Wife, she she was on track scholarship at Present State.
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  Speaker 4: We bought to hand no money.
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  Speaker 5: She she squeezed our coins together and got me the
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  Speaker 5: software that you used, you know, to professionally write a screenplay,
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  Speaker 5: Final Drive. So once once she did that. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I was in there, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you remember the first screenplay you wrote I Do Broke?
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  Speaker 4: I mean I remember all of them. I mean it
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  Speaker 4: was terrible, but it was it was about It was about.
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  Speaker 4: It was called story of a Dollar.
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  Speaker 5: It was about Ah, it was about twenty dollars bill
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  Speaker 5: that was getting passed around the bay.
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  Speaker 4: You know. So I told a bunch of like tall
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of.
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  Speaker 5: Little stories based on that people wore write on the
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  Speaker 5: dot on the money. It sounded crazy now, right because
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  Speaker 5: everything digitally, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But that was Chris Rock get a sketch like that once?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris Rock.
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  Speaker 5: Yea, yeah, yeah yeah so so so it was this
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  Speaker 5: was like, you know, yeah, this was like it's a
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  Speaker 5: common you know, it's a common idea, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like an inanimate object that's getting that's getting
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  Speaker 5: moved around.
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  Speaker 4: To tell stories to that.
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  Speaker 5: But when I was you know, I was seventeen, man,
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  Speaker 5: I was like, yea, this is the most creative shit ever.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you know.
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  Speaker 2: When did you both know? When did you both know
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  Speaker 2: what was gonna be a profession?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm sure at one time you thought you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: play football in the league, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure one time you thought you were gonna do
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  Speaker 2: something else. When did y'all know, like this is a profession?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you the time when I knew this
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  Speaker 3: one had a profession was before I saw Fruit feil station.
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  Speaker 3: I saw a film he did called Locks, which which
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  Speaker 3: to this day is one of the most beautiful expressions
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  Speaker 3: of character and humanity that that I've seen. And it
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  Speaker 3: was like it was like a silent film almost, and
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  Speaker 3: I knew that this was a special you know, you know, storyteller.
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  Speaker 3: And then that was sort of what what drew me?
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  Speaker 3: Drew me to Ryan? And and what.
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  Speaker 4: Was your question?
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  Speaker 2: I would say, when did you know it was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a profession. You know, everybody wants to be
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  Speaker 2: a football player, basketball play, everybody has that dream. But
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  Speaker 2: when you say, no, this is my calling.
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  Speaker 3: While I was at Howard, I was on the eleven
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  Speaker 3: year planet Howard. It was interrupted by my stay with
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  Speaker 3: the federal government. When I when I got out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I I kind of bounced around in d c. For
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  Speaker 3: for a couple of years. Met my wife Vanna in
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  Speaker 3: ninety four, Uh, sort of got got things on track
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  Speaker 3: and started. I had to pick a minor, and I
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  Speaker 3: was so I was a creative writing major. I was
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  Speaker 3: going to be a writer. That's what I thought I
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  Speaker 3: was going to do. I was writing, you know, short stories,
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  Speaker 3: and never got to writing a script. But I had
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  Speaker 3: to pick a minor, and I picked journalism. And I'd
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  Speaker 3: met this kid in an AA meeting and he worked
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  Speaker 3: at this little, tiny news service called the Hispanic Link,
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  Speaker 3: which at the time, there were very little there's very
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  Speaker 3: little news telling the story of the Hispanic community in America.
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  Speaker 3: So this tiny hole in the wall news service in
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  Speaker 3: DC was syndicated nationwide and it was run by this
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  Speaker 3: white guy who had married this woman from Ohaca, Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a love story and so I was
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  Speaker 3: just struck by it. And so I made a little
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  Speaker 3: short documentary and it was my thesis project, my senior
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  Speaker 3: project at Howard, and I fell in love with it documentary,
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  Speaker 3: and I looked at where the best, you know, documentary programs,
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  Speaker 3: and UC Berkeley, the journalism school at Berkeley, has one
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  Speaker 3: of the one of the top programs, and so I
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  Speaker 3: went there. When I made that decision to apply to
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  Speaker 3: graduate school, I kind of knew, like this is what
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  Speaker 3: I'm committing to do, this is what I'm going.
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  Speaker 1: For, right are you?
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  Speaker 4: Ryan?
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  Speaker 2: When did you know that this was going to be
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  Speaker 2: your profession? Because I know if one time you said
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to play in the league, I know you
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  Speaker 2: thought you was gonna play.
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  Speaker 4: For the greatest big time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's a it's a great question I've been
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  Speaker 5: asked before. My wife always laughed. But it was after
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  Speaker 5: I made my fourth movie. It was when I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be doing this for a while.
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  Speaker 1: What was the fourth one?
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  Speaker 4: Kind of ever, that's what.
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  Speaker 1: I think it could have been before.
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  Speaker 5: That one, now I'm telling you, bro C. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: because because I don't know, like some combination of like
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  Speaker 5: imposter syndrome.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like and and internalizing, uh.
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  Speaker 5: This internalized feeling of it like it's all gonna be
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  Speaker 5: taken away from me, you know what I'm saying like
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  Speaker 5: that like that that it just went away.
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  Speaker 1: So you didn't think that's good enough?
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 5: It was a combination of a lot of things. From
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  Speaker 5: one I didn't think I was good enough, Like like
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking I was fooling people.
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  Speaker 4: I got lucky with each movie. You you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: But I think like we were kind of forever going
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  Speaker 5: through so much, you know, never one losing chat. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you want losing chat. Rest in peace, man. And he
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  Speaker 5: had he had so much confidence, you know what I'm saying.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: And and and he would speak, you know, he would
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: speak confidence in me when I was having mom as
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: a doubt and and a lot of times I would
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: think he was just trying to get me through the day.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: You know, you know what I'm saying, because you do
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: that with your teammates, right, And he got this, you
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: know you don't You might not believe that really got
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: you're telling him, you know what I'm saying. But but
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: but then in retrospect after he passed, and knowing what
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: I know about him, that he he was never he
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: was never he would never be as somebody, you know.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: In finishing that film, and that was like the first
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: time I was like, Okay, I think I'm gonna be
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna be doing this for the rest
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: of my life.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: How nerve racking was that film with all those celebrities
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: and all those stars and people that's been in so
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: many movies.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: The first one. Yeah, crazy nerve racking, bro. But the
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: thing is all my moves is nerve racking. My nerves
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: was racked on the short he was talking about you know, so,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you you know that feeling, you know,
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: like like you.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Don't ever get to a point where you like, I've
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: done enough where I'm comfortable and I.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I'm getting there. Yeah, Like I think I think I'm
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: getting there. You know, You're never the.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Point where you're comfortable, Yeah, where I feel like I'm
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: gonna be doing this for some time.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I would say confident, You're confident.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: In you getting there, getting there.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Also, I think it's it's a it's a it's a
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: belief that your voice, what you have to say, is
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: going to be received. You know, it's going to be
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: received by the culture, by the critics, by by the audiences.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: And our culture sort of shifts and those voices, the
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: voices that do matter, that do bubble up to the surfaces.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: It's not always because of the the relevance or the power.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Of those voices.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: It's sort of the ecosystem of our culture and society
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: allows certain voices to come forward.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Is a depressure of knowing how many young minorities look
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: up to you guys, like I want to be the
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: next you know what I mean? Is that part of
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: it as well?
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Man, it's it's so much.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: It's all of it, bro Like like y'all, y'all feel it,
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: y'all black, you know what I'm saying. You know when
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: you get it, when you when you first got this job,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: it's like, I gotta do my thing for my family,
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: but also gotta do my thing for the next person
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: who looked like me, who want.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: To do this that came later. At first, it was
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: just about survival. Yeah, yeah, because I have been fired
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: for four times for it was about survival. Then once
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: you start to realize the magnitude of the platform, it's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: like you gotta do it for the people.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And what's great it is like, look, it's Monday, right.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: I ain't checked the papers, but I think Stephen Cable's
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: movie was number one Transform it was number one. Yeah,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: like he got this movie coming, he got we got
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: we got a step doctor that's.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Gonna come in.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: And like the more the more that that that that's
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: of us, that succeeding it actually takes some of the
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: pressure off, you know what I'm saying, like like that
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: that's that's also and it has also helped you know what,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean Like, it's not like it's
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: only one we got one shot, we got one represent representative.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: It's like I'm always a bunch of us, you know
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and and and and and that's changing
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: the fabric of what a blockbuster director. It looks like
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I want to know or what you know or or
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: you know, how much how much support a nonfiction film
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: gets from you know, from from from from from a
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: studio or from from the audience.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying is typically very little. Extremely
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: grateful for for the platform that pros Proximity has provided.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And that is a powerful idea to sort of validate
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: not just different perspectives of voice, but different genres and
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: styles of storytelling.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: One more thing about the imposita syndrome. When you're Ryan Coogler,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and we know the greatness of Ryan Coogler, but the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: media will say things like, oh he might he's the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: next George Lucas, Like you're always the next somebody. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: never just use that that that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Holl on Bro. Is that a crowd rail bag? Of course?
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, sho sixty.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: He keeps all the changing, right, man, I might I
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: got a hey, am I bad?
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: Bro? I just I just went back honey memory uncles Bro.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, my bad, my bad? Ar Man?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Is that is that contributed in pot syndrome? The mas
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: in her? The next someone?
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: It don't help that, that never helps, you know. But
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: what I'm thankful. What I'm thankful for.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Man, It's like like I'm thankful for the ogs, Like
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: like I saw, I saw Spielberg a few days ago,
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: you know, spend the day with Spike. You know, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: shat down for a coupler. I sat down with with
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: with with Chris Nolan. You know, I was very rest
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: in peace. John Singleton was very close with him, you know.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: And and having a relationship with the ogs. It's helpful
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: if they say you the next whatever, you know what
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: I mean? You know what I'm saying, Like I side
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: with side with George Lucas, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Like you know, and I know these guys as guys
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: and they can kind of advise and say, man, throw
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: all that away, you know what I'm saying, Like you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: like this is gonna this is gonna come, that's gonna come.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: It's been you know, it's been really really helpful. So
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: but but but you never, it never helps to to
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: hear somebody compare you to A to a like a
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: generational grade.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: You know, you know what I'm saying. That's why, that's
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: why I feel for Brin.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: You know, we will never appreciate Bro. I say that
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: all the time. You'll never appreciate Brian if you can
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: keep comparing them to this ghost thro the Michael Jordan.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: To tell you something, Bro, Me and me and Zenzi
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: went to Game three when when when the damn Lakers
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: knocked us out Bro in the second round, and we
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: worked with We worked with Stephan bron Right, We worked
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: with space Jam, and we worked on the beautiful movie
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Pete He's got coming off and this dude man thirty eight,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: and he would have players, Bro, because he knew me
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: as Ang was there. He would have plays where he
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: would get the ball.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: He would point to us score and.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Point to after he scored, like y'all all about to
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: score right now, you know what I'm saying. Like, and
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: it was just it was just doing and I was like,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: I've never seen anything I never I've never seen anything
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: like this guy man, and like and everything he does
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: is always compared to something you know, something to.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Or or you know or his Koreean you know he
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: was doing it. It's like it's got to do the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: jump hook that day that we can't appreciate.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: It for the for the for the for comparison shake,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: you know. But but I will say, like this whole
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: time I've had Pete bro you know what I'm saying
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: as a friend who you know, you know, people don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: know him as much as I might not George look
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: at or spill word. But incredible working filmmaker and a
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: family man, you know what I'm saying, who got wisdom
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: for you whenever I whenever I needed in terms of navigation.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: So I'll be for ever, be for ever thankful for.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: Him and help him make this beautiful movie man anthem
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: that only he could make. You know, I could talk
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: to him more about it, but only he could make
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: a movie where you know, it's like, Yo, we're gonna
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: we're gonna examine this national institution.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: It's got all these triggering for everybody. You know, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: come out with a come out with a song. On
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: the other side, you come out watching a movie feeling good,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: you know. But she like, I'm thankful. I'm thankful for
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: him too, Thank.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: You, Peter. It made me wonder watching anthem, why did
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: black people ever accept the anthem to begin with? Why
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: did they ever accept the national anthem to begin with?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I've seen it from from
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of different perspectives, you know, I guess. I
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: like to say I was born into the story of race.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I was born in sixty eight.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: My birth mother's white. My birth father was black. Her
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: family threatening disowner if she married him. She put me
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: up for adoption. I was adopted by a black family.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: My dad's the senative slave from the South Gulla. My
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: mom's South Carolina. South Carolina. Yeah, my mom, her parents
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: came over from West Africa, Cape verd I married a woman,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: a refugee from Laos. I've got kids who are mixed race.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Been in federal prison on a drug charge, went to
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: all white private schools, went to Howard. So I've seen
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: life from all these different angles and perspectives, and in
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: all my work at the same time, I've never been
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: thrown down on the ground by a cop. I've never
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: been I've been called nigger a couple of times, but
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: that's usually when I'm with my other family. People don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: kind of know how to pin me, you know, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I generally can can slide.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Through, uh like miscellaneous, kind of miscellaneous.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that that also sort of burrowed into
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: my own psyche about my identity. Who am Who am I?
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And I think that that question of who am I
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: is also the question I think as a country we're
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: trying to sort of grapple with who are we? We're
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: all different, we're all the same. And I think all
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: of my work I like to step into spaces that
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: are that are a little bit that are messy and
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: examining those questions, whether it's you know, what are our
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: values as a country and delivering health care to Americans
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: and you know, setting that in a in a public
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: hospital waiting room. What does it mean if a police
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: department says they're trying to reform, what does that mean?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: And is that real? How important is education, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to to equity in our culture? And so, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: the anthem was was sort of a natural examining that
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: question of you know, can should you love it or
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: hate it? Should you should we tear it down? Should
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: we burn it? Should we recreate it? Some people love it,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: some people hate it. I love Jimmy Hendrix's version to
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: me was always like beyond, like it went into some
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: spiritual place. It was still the anthem. It's still the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: star spangled banner at the end of the day. Marvin
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Gaye's version jose Feliciano, you know, these are all beautiful
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: renditions of a song that that is being unpacked, but
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: it's still it's still the anthem. And I felt that
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: that was a great starting point to sort of, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: think about, well, what would it mean to create a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: new anthem? And if we were to create a new
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: anthem today and allow the diversity of voice in this
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: country to create that song, what would that be? And
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: on the surface, it's an impossible it's an impossible task.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: You can't really we were like, do we need to like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: you know, get into sort of like blues hip hop, gospel, jazz,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: like rock house music, go go. I mean, there's so
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: many different styles of music that reflect the American story,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: So you know, there could be another two or three movies,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: you know, on this on this idea, using this construct.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: One thing I do love is is you know anthem.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Besides anthem, I love the evolution story, right because a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: lot of times in this day and age, people don't
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: allow you to evolve.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: They look at your past and they try to keep
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: you in the past of who you were. And the
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: fact that you talk about everything that you've been through
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and how you've changed and the things that you're doing,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think a lot of times people
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: allow people to have that evolution.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: And to change.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So I commend that. And have you had a hard
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: time because of your past, because you know, Charlamagne and myself,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: we've all had a pass and we talk about our past.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And the reason we talk about it is because you know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: nobody's ever perfect, right, There's no life that's perfect. People
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: go through shit. So the fact that you talk about
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the things that you've been through and you're still able
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to leave your mark on the world on some positive
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: is the amazing story.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I don't know why, you know, I
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you know what I remember distinctly when when I got
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: out of prison, I got a job working at this
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: this elementary school in DC, which you know I was at.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I went back to Howard and they have like an
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: internship program where you fill out, you know, where do
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: you want to work? And I kind of went into
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the space of denial of what had happened to me,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and I didn't check the box, you know, basically lied
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: and I got placed at this elementary school, which happened
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: to be a school where like presidents like where Obama
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: sends his kids, where like some of those powerful people
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: in DC send their kids. And I remember I took
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the job. I was working at this job and one
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: day the lawyer who represented represented me in my case,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: which was prosecuted by Merrick Garland is now the Attorney
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: General the United States walked in on a tour with
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: his son, and I was my job that day was
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: to like check all the parents in and give them
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: name tax and here comes my lawyer and he sees me,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: and he and he we looked at each other and
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: he was like, Oh, how are you doing? And he's
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: probably thinking himself, what the hell is this guy doing
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: drug traffic or doing working at the school. Presumably I'm
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: going to send my kid And you know, I eventually
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: left that job, and I had to tell all the
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: people you know that I had lied. And from that
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: point forward, I decided that I was going to tell
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: my story. I was going to step into the difficult
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: space of being real about my story, talking about my
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: dad's alcoholism, asking my dad about his alcoholism on camera.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: We had never taught Black families don't talk about Trump,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: their trauma, their mental health, things like alcoholism, And it
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: just felt like an empowering thing. And it also felt
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: like something that our country needed to do more was
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: examine and step into these more real, authentic spaces.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: We are all those things. I want to ask about anthem,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: what what do you think it would take to actually
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: create a new national anthem?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the one of the insights that seemed
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: very common as we asked that same question to a
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: lot of people in the making of the film and
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: also now that the film's coming out, is that maybe
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: there can't be one anthem. You know, there there has
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to be many anthems. I mean, the idea of anthem
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: is so you know, there's the anthem, the national anthem,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: and then there's like personal anthems that the song you
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: put on at the gym or the song that you
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: that that that you recall when you got married, or
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: of the song that just gets you hyped. You know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: that's something that inspires you. You know, we all have
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: different ways of allowing these songs and these because songs
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: are ultimately stories, they're narratives, the narratives that we tell ourselves,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and the narratives that we used to reflect you know,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: our families, our communities, and that can't be boiled down
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: into one song. But that the intention of allowing you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: multiple perspectives to inform a national anthem, a national story,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: wasn't how the original song was created. That Francis scott
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Key was created using the music of you know this
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: British you know pub song, and so that that intention
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: could lead to other insights and meaning that we could carry,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: you know, into our future as a country.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: The doc also had me thinking if there was a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: new national anthem, what what genre of music would it
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: be delivered through? Because I love the way y'all went
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: through country, which I never even referred to as white.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: When you referred to it as white soul, I was like, oh,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it is white soul, you know what I mean?
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Jazz?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Like, what genre of music. Would it be best delivered
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: through the way America would embrace it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with the dude outside the
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: feller last night. I think, what's his name, David Bryant,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And I asked him and immediately he was like, hip hop,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: hip hop, and I'm sixty eight. I was born in
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: sixty eight, so I am the age of hip hop.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: And we talked about it. You know, we because we hot.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: We we brought on Dahi early, early in the process,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: and Dahi's produced some of.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You know, hip hop's artists, so many different people, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it was weird to hear him say that
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: he's only been to New York in l A too.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that he hasn't been in the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: middle of America. I thought that was weird.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: That was a lot of us haven't a lot a
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: lot of us, you know, don't don't don't enter these spaces.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: We we we grow up in our communities. We sometimes
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: stuff out sometimes, but there are you know, definitely places
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: in the South or Nashville. It's it's like you saw
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: what happened when when they pulled up and what are
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: you all doing it? And they didn't fully articulate what
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: they were doing. They said, they said, what are y'all doing?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You know, we're all we're making a documentary exploring American music.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: They didn't say, we're making a documentary rewriting the national
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: you know. So I do think, but but I think,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: you know, saying hip hop, you should be hip hop
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: like that, that is, you know, gospel, you know house
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: house music. All these things are inflections. But you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: the blues thing. We knew that there were certain foundational
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: places that we wanted to explore. Blues is one of
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: those foundational places Native American music, which is very rarely
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: included in the conversation of the American music story. We
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: knew that we wanted to step into those spaces and
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: allow them to inform the song the movie.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean what the doc made me think that
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: hip Hop's night is rooted in soul and spirit, as
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: it should be. It feels like a lot of the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: hip hop is rooted in that we listen to now
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: is rooted in capitalism more so than the stuff that
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: y'all had in the doc. That when you listen to
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the blues and the country, like it was root the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Native America, if it was rooted in soul and spirit.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Why why do you think that is right?
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: That's a heavy question, bro.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: I mean I'm I'm older today than I've ever been.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: And yeah, like like I like my I think I
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: think it's I think music is complicated. I think black
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: music is is. I got my own theories about it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: I love that this doc is kind of about American music,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: anthem on the surface, but it's really about American music
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: and about watching the song being written, which I think
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: is fascinating because because because you got stand up comedy
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and you got music, I think there is like two
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: like it's straight alchemy, you know.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like when.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: You when you see people do it, and I think that,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: like I think that black music has always been a
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: call back home, like a report, Hey we were still here,
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Hey we okay, Like.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: This here's what's happening. You know what I'm saying anybody
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: out there.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: To hear is you know I always feel that this
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: electricity runs through my body whenever I come to New York.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: I think a part of it is just that it's
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: it's ten million people running around trying to.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Make a way.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: But another part of it is this force that's been
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: ever present in my life that's given me a sense
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: of power. Hip hop it was founded here, you know
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying, And you can you can feel it,
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like I don't know if
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: it's that I know it was here or I can
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: feel it here, but it's fantastic, you know what I'm saying.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I think that that things constantly changed, and I think
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: the reason why you're hearing this this this this trend
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: towards like hypercapitalistic.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Or you know, it's a lot of it is like
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: war music, you know what I'm saying.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: But I think it's I think it's like about the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: right to self determine that people looking for and whatever
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: route that whatever route they can find it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: And sometimes sometimes maybe it's quote unquote misguided. Sometimes it's
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: sometimes it's truthful, you know what I mean, Like like
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: somebody that's living in poverty, surrounded by it, they think
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: they might think they're having some money, is the way
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: they can self determined, make themselves safe, get their.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Family out of where they are.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, sometimes they think picking up
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: a weapon is what's the way they're self determined. They
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: feeling vulnerable or weak. You know what I'm saying, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: got to shut it that I'm that I'm strong and
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's it's usually some form
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: of truth in it. You know what I'm saying, Like
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: like whether whether you know at thirty whether at thirty seven.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'm loving you know what
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: I mean. You know what I mean that that's my
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: best explanation for it. But I think that's what I think,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: that's what everybody wants. I think that's what's so interesting
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: about it. You know what I'm saying, Like I come
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: from the home of the pan answers.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: It's all about the right to self.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Determined, you know what I'm saying, The claim to claim
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: my humanity and self determined, my safety and where I
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: can go, my where my body can be, where my.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Children can feel safe. You know what I'm saying, Like
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: and I hear that in the blues, I hear that
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: in jazz.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: I hear that, And you know what I'm saying, I
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: hear it in all of you, you know, hope to
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: answer that question.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess when you was talking to made
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: me feel like it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Damn.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I guess capitalism can can ruin art, right, So
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: so I wonder what's what's more fulfilling for you? Doing
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: something like Fruitvale Station. Are our black fans.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: What's more fulfilling?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not not even just those two movies in particular,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: but doing a movie like and more of an independent
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: way than a big black bus were.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, let me ask you, what's a great question? Bro?
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: I think at the time, I've been blessed to do
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: the most fulfilling thing, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: at the time, you know, if we talked about that,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: like how we don't get the ability to change, right?
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: I think guys, I think as black people, we can
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: be the hardest hard shoves when it comes to that,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like, like I'm from I'm
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: from I was.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Born in Oakland. My whole family's from there. We know.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Was like, but check it out, bro, I'm getting.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Somewhere, bron get bro, Like I was like editor nine,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: we moved to Richmond, you know what I'm saying, And
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: like still to this day I have people ask, hey, bro,
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: you're from Oakland and Richmond. You know, you know what
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, and like and like the truth is come
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: from both. You know, you know what I'm saying.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: But but that's not.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Allowed at home, you know. You know what I mean,
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Like you got to pick bro. You know what I'm saying,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Like it's like it is it this? Where is it
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: that you gotta stick with it for your whole life?
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like like when I'm if
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: I'm blessed to live to be one hundreds, Hey, bro,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: you from Oakland.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It's like with damn.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You ever go back to Oakland and say, you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, Damn, I made it out of here.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I'm still there.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: He's there. Yeah, you know, I'm still here in Oakland
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to the core. But it's beautiful from Carolanta.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: So I know exactly some days where I'm like, Damn,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I'm still alive. You know what I'm saying.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Because I was out and I'm driving. I was staying
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: at the hotel and I wanted to get some need
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: It's like go to the next corner. In the next corner
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: was Oakland, Oakland like fresh fried spots with the gates
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: in it. I'm like, where the am I And like
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you still see like it looks like riots happened yesterday,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Like you see stuff boarded up and stuff broken down,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, God, damn no.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: It's it's so sexy. Are you in Queens Queen? Yeah,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, I don't know. It's it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: like wherever we are, you see, you know you could
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: you can be on the right or the wrong spot.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: You know. Look, man, we've been at the country's been
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: at a world with us since we've been here. You
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Like it's the truth, like you see so you see
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: it reflected, like whether it's financial, you know, like whether
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: it's whether it's all you know alright, Jim Crawl, whether.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: It was you know, full blong you know, our bodies
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: being illegal.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, like you know, so
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: you share it, you see the reflections of it, you
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: know what I mean. And it's splashing Cleveland everywhere here Detroit, Aukland.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: You know you go where d I just want to
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to see formulate. How how I'm gonna
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: say this because a lot in this going back to
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: your question about what's you know, the independent versus the
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: blockbuster and capitalist. But I saw a Black Panther in
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: a theater in Utah where my daughter was in treatment
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: for mental health and addiction. She was she was sixteenth
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: time and we were visiting her, and uh we went
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: to see Black Panther and a theater packed full of
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: white Mormons watching Black Panther. And to me, that was
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: a profound reality and impact that that Ryan's worked as
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: very commercial, big blockbuster Marvel movie. I don't think people
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: fully sort of understand the impact that that had on
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: the culture and sort of changing the narrative. And you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: changing those narratives is so important. It's important internally, I
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: you know, talking about trauma, talking about our communities, black
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: communities going back generations, back to slavery. Like my dad's family,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: he had unresolved trauma. You know, he was drinking. I
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: only found out after he died that he was told
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: when he was a young man to step into the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: gutter when white people approached him, you know, on the sidewalk.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: My daughter, you know, I dealt with addiction. My daughter
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: dealt with addiction and we lost her at the age
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: of sixteen. So the consequences of sort of unrecognized and on,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: you know, trauma that's not dealt with in narrative is profound,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: and I think Ryan's work is doing it both in
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: this very intimate way with with sort of an independent
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: approach like Fruit Felle Station, and on the biggest stage
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: with these blockbusters. It's powerful, and I think it's also
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: going to influence other creatives in those spaces to use
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: their voices and to use these stages because now we're
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: getting more opportunities. We're getting more opportunities.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I like Black Panther two so much, because
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I put Ryan in the same vein as
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: like a Kendrick or even a Cold because even with
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the massive success, you won't compromise your art.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that, bro.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I just realized I didn't ask your question, man, like
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: they all are are fulfilling at the time, because I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: different each time. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: make Prouville when I was I was twenty five, are
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: you seven?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Now? You know?
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I don't know if I can
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: make that movie now. You know what I'm saying, I
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: don't got the optimism that I had then or the energy.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: You know, you get met it in like twenty twenty days.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: We didn't sleep, you know what.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: I got to sleep now, you know, like our family now,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you know, like it's been impossible, But that was the
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: most feeling thing that I could have done at that time.
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: I've been blessed to like do fulfilling work. You know
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. With this company, it's fantastic. I get
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: to support filmmaker's vision. You know what I'm saying, Like
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: you don't make the more, We're gonna make a new
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: national anthem. I'm like, holy shit, let's let's do it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: What do you need? You know? You know what I'm saying.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Can I help? You know? Uh? And it's it's an
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: incredible blessing man to go to.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I know they telling us you got to wrap up.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So I guess this question would be the last question.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: How do you keep the national anthem hopeful and empowering
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: with so much of America's history being negative for the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: majority of groups that we've been here, Because you know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: we keep talking about we are having these discussions about
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: what America is. I think we know what America is
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: trying to We're trying to put the mirror up to
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: them and let them see what America.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's different things to different people, right Like.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: And that's what's so beautiful about the songing Man was
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: that you know, you get you got, you got four
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: women from different backgrounds and different experiences with the country,
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: you know, putting down verses that feel true to them.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: It's not compromising. And then when you hear it saying
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: you know, it's like, you know, you identify with each
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: with each piece because maybe it's like I don't know
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: somebody who's indigenous. Well I'm not indigenous myself to this,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: to this, to this land, but I know people who are.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know people who having issues with
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: borders moving across them and back and forth or getting more,
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: you know. And when you hear the words saying, you
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: feel it, you know what I'm saying, like I don't
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: you know. When you hear Charity like in Our twenties
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: from Nashville sing about her family in the in the military,
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: then she says like like all gays some but some
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: gave all man you feel it, you know what I'm saying.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: And white people don't own the military, you know what
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I'm saying. My grandfather falling in every word after was
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: fault while he was alive.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: You know, you know what I mean.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: And so when you take a step back and look
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: at the song that they made it and the process
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: of how they made it, man, you know, you acquire
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: saying it man, and it works, you know what I'm saying, Like, like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: you know, so I think it's I think it's an
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: incredible utility that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: They that they gave and that's all. The song is
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: a utility. Man.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: You might use it to get through some personal loss.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: You might use it to do your homework.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: You might use it to to lift at the gym.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like it's a it's a
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: it's a it's a piece of art that's a utility,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: and it's up to the people to use.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: It, you know what I'm saying.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just really simply empowering
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: people to tell to tell their story, you know. And
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: you know, anthems inspiring people to express their own idea
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: of an anthem. I remember when we ate the waiting room,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the story of this film about Island Hospital. Before we
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: made the film, we did this little digital storytelling project
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: where we interviewed hundreds of people stuck in the waiting room.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: We asked everybody the same thing, what are you waiting for?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And the results of that simple question were profound, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I got into the you know, you're dealing with some
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: people who look dangerous, somebody who just pissed on themselves,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: somebody who's ranting, dealing with mental illness. And I got
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: into this this this space where I was approaching everybody,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: even if I was uncomfortable, and some of the people
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: that I was most uncomfortable with the results in their story,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: allowing them, empowering them in that moment to tell their story,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: even if I didn't maybe agree with their politics or
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: their position because some people were talking about healthcare, some
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: people were conservative in those spaces, but they're also suffering somehow,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: and that sort of collective that that unifying suffering and
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: allowing people to tell the allowing people the framework to
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: tell their story in that space was powerful. And I
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: think hopefully this film can allow people to recognize that
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: sometimes we do have to put these stories that are
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: difficult next to each other and allow the alchemy to
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: just happen because we can't. We just can't ignore it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: We're in a difficult time in our country right now.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: It's like we're at a crossroads right now, and it
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: could go this way, it could go that way. But
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the optimism, both for my own family and the generational
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: trauma that we face, that there's a path out that
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: you don't have to stay in that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you bubbs for joining us. And you know,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: anytime you got some a movie or something that you
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: want to promote, documentary, y'all invited up here, come on
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: up and use the platform.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: What's next? I mean the writer's happening now, man.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is a big shout out to the writers. WG.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: I is striking right now, you know, trying to get you.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Know, underrated. That's that's uh, that's next for us, Like
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: on the nonfiction.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: On the non fishing shot. Yes, so non fishing you
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: can do.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Yes, it's not it's not started with w G A
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: originated work, you know what I'm saying it out side
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: of that so I can help promote. But we got
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: got underrated, beautiful, beautiful movie about Steph Curry very underrated.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: He's the number two greatest player of all time.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: When you just started acting like it's coming full circle, you.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Got who's not the top three NBA? Let's talk about
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: it right now?
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Just quick question before you the top five in the
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: league right now all time.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I can give you my Quron and Lebron's in there.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I got Michael Jordan's, Steph Perry, Kobe Bryant, Lebron, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. That's my top five man.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: That yeah, I mean that's I'm not doing this, man,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I literally a mad movie. I made a movie.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I met it movie with Bron. I made movie with Steph.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'm not doing this.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Like Lebron three times in the NBA.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: I'm a Warriors fan lifelong.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like like like Steph, No, no, no,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Steph bigger than basketball revolution?
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like like like we rre we ride a dog
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: with Steph? You know what I'm saying. And Bron's Bron's
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: my god man, Like you know.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: It's changed all the basketball women and men's they all
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: play like Steph. He revolutionized the game. I've never seen
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: nobody do that to.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Michael Jordan, You're not wrong.
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: I'm goa I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna sound
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: crazy to this day. Most skilled basketball player I've ever seen,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: I can't allow you want mm hmm, like more skilled.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: I remember watching him as a kid and being like,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: let's do let's do it is crazy. The scariest I
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: seen to play against when I was a kid was
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Tim Duncan, and she like he was always win.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. These dudes don't get mentioned.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: At all, and you start talking about when I think
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: about it, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: how somebody could be better than a chemologed one. You know.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Now you got the jokes and those guys the kind
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of and I love the King, but yeah, back then
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: there was there wasn't too many big men. So when
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: when you were it was big.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: They were all they were all big. You didn't have
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: it like you know, you had to go past you
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: have to What do you used to do to those
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: guys like I used to just and he had no
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: flaws in his game. Now you think about somebody smaller
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: had to get by the big man like it alan.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: Like you like all right, bro, he think about.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: What I did.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: You know when he beat when he beat when he
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: beat that that that that Kobe Shock Team game one
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: h and no teammates really disrespect these real hoopers. I
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: was on a team, but like you know, I mean, yeah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: so it's it's tough man.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: You're saying all that to say you do think Steph
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: is better than Braun.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna bait you right up.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I'm not.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: You just don't want I'm a Wears fan, Bro, That's
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: what I'm gonna say.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Bro. And stephan Stephanie and Steph bigger than hoop fush Man,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I'm also a black man.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Lebron is bigger than you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: like you know, love Broun, I'm not. I'm not gonna
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: get into.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: That talking about on the court.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I love both of these.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: Guys on the court, roof of the Warriors when they play.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I love both those dudes.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: I hate that we got to I hate I hate
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: that against just hate it. I hate it so much,
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: and I hate that they knocked us all. Goddamn bro.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: He said it with his chest number two of all time.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Give it absolutely absolutely will. I mean, I grew up
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: in Boston.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: You know, birds in my y. Let's not go there
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: and let's not go there.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Although two thousand and four, you know, two thousand and four,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: you know Yankees.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: All right, be the Knicks.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Howard University alumni.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Let me appreciate you brothers for joining us.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Man, It's the Breakfast Club. Don't forget anthem.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: June twenty eighth, on Hulu. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,