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My Biggest Fantasy Ranking Movements, Recently. · BDGE Fantasy Football

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good morning friends and enemies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In today's video, we are going to be talking through our biggest ranking changes from training camp up to this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is a get you up to speed video of everything that's happened over the last month or so in three particular categories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The injuries that I think are significant and have moved players up or down rankings, free agent players that have signed to new teams and third of noxious training camp hype, whether we are buying or selling that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be doing a video just like this for the remainder of the summer just to make you guys up to speed, make sure you didn't miss anything because training camp Twitter is like a dangerous dangerous place to live in right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know you guys can't spend all your time doing it, which is why I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So each week we will have a weekly recap of what happened in the previous week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was training camp now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more so for the preseason games that are coming within the next couple weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll try to get this out every Monday and Tuesday going forward as soon as the preseason games wrap up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, we, because we have a guest on the channel today, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a friend, maybe an enemy, you decide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes by the name Michael O'Hara.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a young up and coming content creator.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He competed in the so you think you can count competition that Pete over is at held.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure a lot of you guys have heard about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If not, watch and follow along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you did follow along, you were probably familiar with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He called my eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he fit the brand very well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked his camera presence and I wanted to give him a shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Michael will be joining me today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys can call a Michael.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can call a Mike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can call a Mikey baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care up to you guys, but he will be talking to you for the next hour, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you enjoyed what he did, obviously drop some love down below in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will link his social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's YouTube channel, his Twitter, all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So give him a follow there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it is time to talk about things that you guys care about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Michael.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to jump into injuries first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the very top of the list, is a highly touted prospect goes in the first round to fill Delphiima Kai Lemon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, he's had some trouble staying on the field thus far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hamstring injuries getting the best of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's missed a ton of training camp already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has missed some OTAs and other time throughout the summer right now, which is starting to accumulate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's getting to scary hours because when you're a rookie, especially with the new offensive system kind of coming in, you got to be there taking reps and there are now reports coming out that people wouldn't be surprised in the Kylamans not actually a starter when Philadelphia kicks things off right away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not overly concerned about that kind of piece of note off the rip as I'm looking to kind of accumulate points as the season progresses, but I'm curious just standpoint on a guy like McCy lemon from one of prospect lens like how you felt about him coming out of school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a pretty good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: lands in an argumentative spot, whether or not you can see real fantasy upside here, but I'm a little nervous about the hamstring, him getting off to a slow start, him having a low passing volume offense, all that, all that stuff kind of hitting at once right now, spooked by McIleman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely getting to the point where I'm growing concerned as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you hit on everything that I would planning to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that people forget is that he also did miss many camp like you brought up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is super significant that he's missing two meaningful stretches of the off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know how important it is for rookies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the day though, I'm willing to just zoom out and take chances, make bets, and draft guys that I think are just super talented.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And McCoy Lemon falls under that umbrella for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved him coming out of college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an Uber volume, Uber target earner, and he did it everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like some of these guys that we see in the college ranks where they're getting skimmed up touches and their production and volume numbers look really strong because they're just racking up a bunch of screens, slants, RPOs, whatever you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all levels of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So everything that I saw in Mackay Lemman's prospect profile has made him a guy that I want to draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got him ranked right around, pick 100 these days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's about where he's going in most draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if people are scared off by the injury news and the reporting and the everything that you talked about, this being a low volume offense, his mesh with jailiners, people are scared off by that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to scoop the dip and just grab them right there as we're getting into the double digit rounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've got him a little lower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually down at like 11 17 for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like he was looked at kind of in the big three with, you know, you kind of take your pick of Jordan Tyson Cornell to eat my Kylems there, the draft capital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like 10 picks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a significant draft capital dip there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now he's getting drafted around the
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the other first rounders that people didn't really see as the same level of talent as the top guys like the concepts he owns and even the Denzel Boston into the second round and Omar Cooper Jr and those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does feel like McCy lemon from a talent standpoint is a dip above those dudes and it's at that point you're that late in the draft like when do you get a talented first round library receiver that goes to maybe they're not a high powered offense, but like they're a respectable offense like they're going to put points up on the board they're going to be good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there's going to be a roll there at some point in the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of with you like I'm fine on just betting on the talent and the prospect profile and kind of seeing what happens over the second half of the year.
4:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, you know, this is a little bit of a deeper conversation here, but Don Tavian Wick seems to be getting like the next guy up, treatment right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And on tape and wicks is kind of one of those funny dudes in the fantasy football streets where he's like, I don't know how to put he's like the Romeo dobs of add an eye Mitchell's where it's like, yeah, you know what if if we could just get him on the field the whole time let him run routes and be smooth like you can see it happening he's just been kind of a shit show every time he's got onto the field, but it does seem like there's a real chance for him to possibly be the starter and two wide receiver sets maybe more of a best ball conversation, but any interest in anyone behind McIleman here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it certainly is more of a best ball conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, down TV and wicks for a lot of folks, myself included is just that guy you can't quit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because all of the numbers that you want to see are there, and then you watch this guy play football and it's just a nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it was a game right before Christmas a year to ago and this guy just could not stop dropping passes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, can someone get this guy a jugs machine for Christmas, it was ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to buy in so badly, you just look at the numbers, but it just never is paned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that very not very quickly, but early on in the season, this is going to be the lemon and Smith show alongside, say, quan and goddard, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that there's going to be much value there for people and manage leagues, find Bestball stacking option, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, agreed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think late in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wicks will probably have some spike weeks early on just kind of being right place right time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like a flashing off player where if he can actually catch the ball, he'll probably make some big plays, but it is lemon second half of the year for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on to another talented young receiver that is getting all all the hype that any played of food can possibly handle here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is Luther burden.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Luther burden, you know, I said it on a video I put out earlier
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really have a super strong take on Luther Burton, which like in itself feels like a strong take at this point in the off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Luther Burton is dealing with this groin strain now, which is obviously a little bit more significant than something that was like dated to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the projection is three to four weeks for him to return, which is like right on, you know, he's flirting with the regular season now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Luther Burton was the dude who,
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[SPEAKER_01]: On paper, easy to convince yourself like he's Ben Johnson's new Ammon Ross St. Brown and all of the, you know, hype and pieces at a camp of kind of false suit there about how good he has looked and how much Ben Johnson has like appreciated his, you know, professionalism this time around as compared to last summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what side of the defense are you on with burden or are you with me like are we normal headed here or are you trying to leave every draft with him now that the injuries occurred has that moved him up or down the rankings for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where you brought the wrong guy on the show if you wanted a level head to take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am hand waving away the injury, just ignoring it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will be scooping the dip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that we are going to see a fall in his ADP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get them pretty consistently in the fifth round these days in like redraft ADP, in terms of the redraft ADP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's going to come down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will be scooping it up because unlike lemon, I think that this is a guy where we're not
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[SPEAKER_00]: terribly concerned about him missing training camp and preseason reps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that just in terms of his talent level, he's entrenched as an every down player for the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you guys look at the depth chart like who is really threatening him for routes and snaps in this offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a full-time role for Luther Bird in coming in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we all know that Ben
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the offseason reporting is indicating that he's willing and going to make the most out of loser burden skill set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is a monster with the ball in his hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has been a really, really strong player in terms of his target earning profile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since he's been in college, the blend between burdens, what he brings to the table and what Ben Johnson can get out of his wide receivers from a fantasy perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's just too much for me to pass up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the price is too high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably become more palatable, but just understanding the the top end of the range of outcomes for burden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't get enough of this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more than willing to look past the injury here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm closer to you in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like it's it's clearly a serious injury, but I'm not like super super concerned considering how like secure his role is, as long as he's in like suffer a setback or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually like this because now like you said with the ADP dip, I actually get to grab a few of him, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you don't have a strong take, he's one of those players where if you don't have a strong take on him, someone in your league is going to take him half around around earlier than ADP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would end up
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas now, you know, I'm in the middle of the fifth round with the burdens actually available to me rather than having to take them out like the four four or the four or five or something like that with the injury, it's like cool, I actually get to participate in what could be the next I'm on raw same brown and I don't know that I feel strongly that it's going to happen, but I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's one of those situations where you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Try to take small sample sizes here and there, but at the end of the day, it's Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have a great offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like one of the smartest minds in football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he went out and hand picked Luther Burton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get DJ more out of the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the music he is who is like it's incredibly annoying last year, but those guys are gone.
10:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like his team, Rome, Steam, Colson, Lovelin, Steam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Target funnily is going to be super secure between those three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Chicago defense to is kind of spooky there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they're going to be as bad as I think a lot of people are like, Oh, they're going to be like bottom three defense in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a lot of their top players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think miss a lot of time last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if I necessarily buy that narrative, but overall they're going to be way more offensive minded here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, the injury to loot their burden, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm happy it happened because now I get to get a piece or a share of the man exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say, it seems like the timeline is precautionary just because they don't want to rush him back considering his role is just so defined, we know we're getting out on stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really think this is one to just not necessarily ignore, but happily scoop up the depth.
10:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of those things where especially if you're drafting late, verily in the summer close to the season, if we can get a couple full practices that elute the burden, that would like skyrocket my confidence going into that week, and I won't be overly concerned about it.
10:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I would say one of the more concerning injuries that's happened this off season has been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alec Pierce.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we had this ankle surgery and the timelines kind of been all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not happened earlier in the summer and he's still not back practicing with the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe they had like their first sighting of him today on the field working off to the side with trainers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it doesn't feel like he's close necessarily yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a week or two ago where they were like, hey, he's a week or two away from getting back to the team, and it doesn't feel like that's realistic right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really sure why I stand on the situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets the big contract, obviously, so they want to use him in a large capacity here.
11:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm concerned about a lot of things with the Colts off and standard Jones with the Achilles, his ability to kind of throw the ball downfield with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: accuracy coming off of it outpairs can he expand to like a more well-rounded role rather than depend on you know six targets a game to make his money there outpairs it's it's scary is there optimism in your mind around outpairs is there a price for your like okay i'm gonna grab him because right now like no matter where i'm sitting on the clock there are very rarely times where it's like outpairs is top of the queue and i'm like all right it's time to time to scoop that guy up
12:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had, for most of the summer, basically a full fade on Alec Pierce at cost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just all the more reason to just become firm in that take.
12:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll have to see where the ADP settles out with all this injury-fod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But obviously, there's a price where he becomes clickable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't gone to that point just yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm well behind market on Alec Pierce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for all the concerns that you pose,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The offensive concerns with Daniel Jones recovering from an injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, peers he last year, he ran incredibly hot on down few routes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that's something that's a high level of variance, just given his role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some reason for optimism about his deployment as a receiver, expanding to the more intermediate, running some of those crossing routes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really buying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people have brought it up this offseason and I wholeheartedly agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The money that Alec Pierce earned is more of a reflection that he adds immense value to an actual NFL offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that he is like that true target hog, alpha, y, deceiver, one in actuality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ability to stretch the field and truly threaten defenses vertically is so, so valuable these days and Pierce obviously offers that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not always a role
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that those kind of concerns combine with the fact that he just hasn't been on the field whatsoever at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's super easy for me to just be out on this guy just firmly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a good point of detaching like the value of a fantasy player to their real-life asset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's even more compounded by the fact that you have Jonathan Taylor back there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like of course you're going to want to have that
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[SPEAKER_01]: field stretcher that needs to put that needs to make defenses put the safety's, you know, a few steps back, open up the box there so that you can hand the ball to Jonathan Taylor 20 times a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Pierce is probably a little bit underrated as a receiver, but agreed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is there really a world where we see him jump up from 45 catches to like 80 or 90?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably unlikely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's that's not the player he was ever in college at Cincinnati.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not really the player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen at all at the NFL level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they have a lot of good chain movers are already like Josh downs is a highly productive chain mover who can obviously hopefully shows talent this year about pierces, you know, missing time or they just let down kind of running those two.
14:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe he resets.
14:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Warrens a great chain mover as well.
14:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jonathan Taylor is going to get as 20 characters a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm I'm very much off Alec Pierce as well.
14:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say they feel it feels like the drum beat though.
14:31
[SPEAKER_01]: They are very adamant that they feel optimistic that he's going to be ready for a week one.
14:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Now this could be coach week, but like Adam Shefter went out of his way on the pat McVee show yesterday to like reiterate that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, I don't think he's a guy that goes out and just says things unless he actually believes the source that he's hearing it from.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a world where peers continuously drops because like everyone in the fantasy community is kind of on a faith for him.
14:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get them at, you know, the eight nine turn, the nine ten turn or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point I'm like, okay, four year, one, 14 million dollar contract.
15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We can we can kind of see what happens as he gets healthier and healthier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I agree, like the contract, big on paper, that will look like probably not much in like two or three off seasons time as, you know, the caps start to rise and everybody keeps getting their new contracts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Christian Kirk got his contract in the Jacksonville a couple of years ago, it was like four or seven, he was like the biggest contract ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's Christian Kirk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, that's like, it's Alec Pierce right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Pierce being out, Josh downs, same team, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He returned to practice today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Had a little like growing tweak, but no major long-term concerns there.
15:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very in a Josh Downs.
15:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Tyler Warren, scaring me to be this in unlike the Indianapolis Colts passing team, kind of centered around Daniel Jones.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have, you know, strong leans either way, are you targeting Josh Downs?
15:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Is Tyler Warren in the media target for you?
15:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Does outpours his injury even matter for those things or are you a fan of those guys like regardless?
15:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Alec Pierce's injury matters because just talking about again what he provides to an NFL offense, his ability to command attention and open things up in the intermediate and shallow portions of the field.
16:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is actually legitimate and valuable and helps downs and warrants.
16:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have super strong takes on either downs or warrants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not kind of a part of the downs hive mind that we all seem to see on Twitter and just
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say though, Downs in Redef ADP is just flat out mispriced, so I will end up having a good bag of him in my redraft leagues in my home leagues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going multiple rounds to cheap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see the difference between his underdog ADP and his consensus redraft ADP, so it's not someone that I super love the profile on, but at his cost, I'm going to be very much in on him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: do spike if he is used being used in those two receiver sets his ability to draw targets and operate there underneath and over the middle is it's a fantasy friendly role and there's about yeah and it's like you just look at the depth chart behind them to it's like if Pierce misses any time there's no possible world where he can't be in every down player or where he is not in every down player there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just kind of like a perfect storm there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It might just be the first part of the season, which is like where I do think there's a little bit of risk involved with Josh downs is type of profile, but I agree with you.
17:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have a lot of Josh downs this year.
17:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Big fan of him, big fan of the overall opportunity that could be coming his way.
17:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving to Big Boy, Laramie Tonsel, the Pro Bowl tackle for the Washington Commanders, tears his tricep and is projected to miss a very significant portion of the 2026 season.
17:39
[SPEAKER_01]: This matters because when you're one of the five best pass blocking tackles in the NFL, like we've seen splits with guys like himself, Trent, William, Blaine Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they're out of the lineup, it's like it's a problem for the offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a problem for the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This happens and Washington was supposed to have a pretty good offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I think you got to drop them probably to the bottom 12-ish something in that range.
18:01
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're looking at offensive line play, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to like twist my rankings every time something happens, but tonsil number two pass blocking tackle in the NFL last year's, you know, annually been a top five guy is this something that has moved parts of the Washington commanders.
18:17
[SPEAKER_01]: skill players up or down your rankings because I've been very high on jade and Daniels.
18:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like overly sold on Terry McClellan this year.
18:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a guy that I'm like over targeting set on digs.
18:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a cool addition, but jade and it makes me a little scary for him.
18:30
[SPEAKER_01]: In case, we start seeing those splits like we have with hurts and lane Johnson or, you know, peri and Trent Williams and things like that.
18:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the tonsil factor matter to you.
18:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think luckily we fall in lockstep on how we're viewing these pieces.
18:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, I'm also super high on Jaden Daniels and have had a hard time drafting Terry McClearn.
18:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this undoubtedly hurts McClearn's outlook because where he returns value in fantasy and where he's at his best just as an actual white receiver is down the field on those long developing routes.
18:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, there's not too many white receiver or offensive line injuries
19:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Factoring that into our evaluation, Tonsul is definitely one of them without him on the field.
19:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to see or imagine Terry McCleuron having a hard time connecting with Jaden Daniels on those deep passes and those deep targets just because there's less time in the pocket.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's just another kind of feather in the cap for my fade on Terry McCleuron this year.
19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: not really too worried about it in respect to Jaden Daniels because we just know that so much of his value comes from what he does as a scramble.
19:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe his career scramble rate sits at 12.7%.
19:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So he is going his value almost entirely comes from his legs.
19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He is one of those rushing mobile quarterbacks who can also put up really strong passing numbers.
19:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's fair to
19:51
[SPEAKER_00]: potentially him to have a hard time putting up Goddy passing numbers, but given that the thesis is almost entirely driven by his athleticism and what he does with his legs, I'm more than willing to still click him in the eighth round.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think he is far to undervalue.
20:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
20:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still going to be targeting Jaden Daniels for sure.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that whole, like subset of QBs,
20:12
[SPEAKER_01]: after Lamar is like, take your pick, but the fact that Jaden and guys like Jalen hurts, who, you know, could easily finish as the number one overall quarterback are just sitting in the six or seventh round.
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This point, it's like Jaden read or Jalen hurt, it's like, you know, we got to grow up at some point.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious about your take on the the backfield.
20:30
[SPEAKER_01]: in Washington.
20:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the injury itself, I'm like, obviously losing tonsill never going to be a positive, but I do think, and this is just like a take.
20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been cooking up a little bit.
20:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea if there's like logic behind it.
20:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think a lot of run blocking success comes from the creativity of the offensive coordinator, like how well are you able to kind of move your offensive line in around to develop holes and hide where you're going to be running the ball kind of thing.
20:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas in past blocking, it does feel like, especially a tackle, like,
20:56
[SPEAKER_01]: on your own in an island like you just got to be the best guy and you got to make sure that the end doesn't get past you where I think run blocking you probably get a little bit more leeway the best offensive coordinators tend to just get the best out of their offensive line when it comes to rushing the ball.
21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a little bit less worried about it from the running standpoint and I am a very big jacorey crosskey meret fan right now and I'm taking him over Rashad White
21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have seen some people kind of work shopping, floating this take that the absence of tonsill will make Rashad White's pass blocking abilities a lot more valuable and he could get some more snaps and I, I, to a degree agree with that because at this point I do think if you wholeheartedly believe this backfield is going to go one way or another, I feel like you're a little overly confident because
21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: There is certainly outcomes where this plays out both ways.
21:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Frankly speaking, I am just trying to get pieces out of this backfield one way or another.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to lean towards JCM because although Rashad White is a well-rounded running back, he can do the pass catching, he can do the pass blocking, he can do something as a runner, he's just
22:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's be real.
22:08
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy just straight up isn't very good at being a running back.
22:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just never been efficient.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He's never been explosive.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: His big time fantasy year came the back on the back of just ridiculous volume in him icing everyone else in the backfield.
22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to ever ice jacquiri crossing that.
22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I have my concern about what JCM has to offer again.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, a liability and past protection.
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen some of the reps coming out of training camp.
22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just getting waxed by these guys who might not even make the team.
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a concern.
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of his talent as a Russia, I'm wanting to bet on merit to a larger degree.
22:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know what
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: The presence of a hyper mobile quarterback can do for the efficiency of a running back and we didn't see too many games in which Merit had control out the back of the last year in Jaden Daniels was also healthy.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that there could be another ceiling for Jacorei to reach in terms of his rushing efficiency.
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was going to pick between the two merits currently cheaper on most redraft platforms.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm just going to go with the cheaper option and the one who if he does develop those past catching chops could have real legitimate upside.
23:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think like you said, Rashad was just not a good runner of the football.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for the most part, it's it's much easier for an early down back to just simply catch dump offs than it is for.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got that Rashad white pigeon holding to a pass catching roll to all the sudden just take over a bunch of early down.
23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: work.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the end of the days are NFL players are the best athletes on the planet.
23:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm sure JCM can just catch passes if they're floated to him in the backfield by the line of scrimmage.
23:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're a good union.
23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think what one of them is poor at the other ones good at and vice versa.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very likely this just ends up being a split.
23:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you have to ask yourself, like, does Jaden Daniels really dump the ball off that much?
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Not too often.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the mobile quarterbacks.
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not checked down at a high rate, which becomes a problem for a guy like Rashadway.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to make his money there.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what's going to happen on the goal line.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like my inclination would be JCM.
23:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It is typically the early down the the base guy that I think gets the first crack at goal line work.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's a little bit more like explosive and powerful when he's running in between the tackles.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But that remains to be seen.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of with you where it's like, all right, they're both cheap.
24:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like you have to over index on one of the others.
24:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got to take JCM in the six round while Rashad White goes in the 11th round.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is kind of like pick your poison, pick your favorite flavor there.
24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: JCM for me, let's move to the next receiver on the list, Malik neighbors.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Highest drafted guy that we're going to be talking about today.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: The 180 turn on like the pessimism versus optimism will what's happened over the last month.
24:34
[SPEAKER_01]: One of maybe not, one of maybe this shit happens every summer, I guess.
24:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But like this, this one feels a little bit crazy, where it felt like, okay,
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost guaranteed to start the year on the public.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, you know, the clips of him jogging at the softball game.
24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, this dude's nowhere near close to being ready to play football.
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you can't find a clip where he doesn't look like he's Malik neighbors again.
24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've had no choice really but to shove him up my rankings.
24:57
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I want to say he's at the back end of the second round for me at this point, even there feels like, man, if I let him slide by me when I can get him, I got him 22 overall.
25:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, at my wide receiver 10, where I was like a week or two ago, he was like 44 or 42 overall.
25:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm like, let someone else take him, but Malik is like that groundbreaking.
25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Malik is that type of player where you get Wandell Robinson out of the picture too, 140 targets back to back years.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a dude that could take over.
25:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's a wide receiver one, you know, week eight through week 18, what anybody would be surprised.
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get the grab in like the third ish round.
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm usually not one that targets guys that are like coming into the year injured, but he's young.
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks good.
25:35
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say here?
25:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we are we in on Malik?
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the exact same ranking on Malik neighbors at the moment.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I also haven't slotted it at 22 overall in my ranks.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just such an auto-click for me at the two three turn.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not pretend that there's not real risk here.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's coming off a multi-legament knee-tare.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the ACL and the Maniskus.
25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a cleanup procedure.
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, this spring, there was some controversy about when the injury actually happened.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's real risk there.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's hard to deny that there's
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: at a right direction, going another direction here.
26:09
[SPEAKER_01]: If we have that 22, that feels wrong, right?
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It's either going to be a smash at 22 and we should move him up our rankings or it's going to be a disaster and he's like a shell of himself.
26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So it almost feels like we can't have my 22.
26:22
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to move him up like 14 or something like that, right?
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Or wrong.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So if this was my heart of hearts ranking, if you were putting me, if something was on the line and I had a rank with weak neighbors, yes.
26:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have them at the one to turn.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I try to consider ADP to a degree when I do these ranks because I don't want to make massive reaches.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I want to be ahead of wherever the market is at on milk neighbors, unless it gets completely wild.
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, he starts going out like the 11th pick.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm comfortable with my rank right now.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be wrong like you're saying, because I'm super bullish.
26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: If the market moves up on milk neighbors, I'm going to follow it.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to continue to push this guy up.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that my rank on it is probably just that I'm considering 80p to some of you he's currently sitting at 30 overall consensus over on Rejov sites.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm eight picks ahead of 80p and I'm more than fine with that rank.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I know like what I was saying earlier there's obvious downside here that those multi-legament tears have been known to just staff players of their efficiency and they just look like shells of their former selves.
27:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything that we've seen is so good.
27:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks good coming in and out of routes.
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He can change direction with ease, decelerating, accelerating.
27:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He has looked phenomenal.
27:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the reports are saying that he's trending towards playing week one, which is fantastic, because much like you, throughout the entire course of the summer, I was wholeheartedly operating under the assumption that this guy was gonna start the year on pup and miss at least four games.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's out of the cards, and let's not forget what kind of play our milk neighbors is, because it's truly special when he's rolling.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: 170 targets as a rookie the most ever by a rookie.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: He has nine career games with over a 30% target share and just for below 20% and one of those includes the game that he got injured last year.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So this guy can just completely dominate a passing game.
28:10
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a game in his career where he had a 62% target share.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just ridiculous stuff, like this guy's people are doing.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: We know about all the ball in hand and down fuel playmaking stuff as well.
28:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So with everything moving in a positive direction in terms of his health, I just can't pass up the potential upside when we get into the range of like the rashi races and the George Pickins of the world.
28:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm looking around my rankings and I'm like, am I really like going to be hesitant on taking Malik neighbors over Rashi Rice, just because like I haven't caught up to like 80p or something like that, I'm like, I might as well just fucking make the move right now, you know?
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I'm looking at I'm like it's Malik neighbors, like I want him on my fucking team and I'm usually pretty risk-averse when it comes to the injuries, but
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing I've learned to, I guess, is to the youth is a big factor in coming back from the injury.
28:58
[SPEAKER_01]: As well as just kind of listening to the people that are boots on the ground and really watching these players play on a day-to-day basis and seeing how they look and everything feels like a relative full-go for Malikin.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you might start off slow, but he's one of those dudes at like, you get an 8-10, 12-point game out of him a few times in the beginning part of the year, and it's worth it as he starts to explode for those 30-point bombs.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So we will move to Ricky Pierce all, is someone that I think people were starting to get excited about, easy profile to get excited about, easy draft capital, really never put together like an actual string of productive games over the course of like multiple months at a time.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was easy to tell yourself it was going to happen this year as they started getting rid of all their top targets there in San Francisco.
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, the PCL injury that kind of plagued him last year ended up following him into this offseason and now he's out for the year.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And that matters because you have Mike Evans stepping in, that matters because you have just on dribbling as a very early second round pick here, who is seemingly getting more and more opportunity during training camp.
30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that went as far as needing to sign debo Samuel to come into the mix.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are going to move from the injury section over to the signing section, which includes debo Samuel.
30:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll kind of mix and match the end of that tier into this tier now.
30:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And just talk about the San Francisco receiver group overall.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been pretty high on Mike Evans.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been missing some time with an injury right now at camp.
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's early enough in August that these like minor groin and quad and hamstring injuries aren't overly concerning to me as long as the team kind of continues with that type of energy.
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Mike Evans.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Debo, I think he's probably going to be a little bit better than the fantasy industry is going to give him credit for because Kyle Shanahan knows how to use him so well.
30:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: your outlook on a guy like Dishon Tribling.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: This is someone that you think actually steps into a media opportunity is see more of like, you know, a fun dark throw at the end of your drafts that could have some real upside here.
30:51
[SPEAKER_01]: San Francisco, the receiver group, where are you at with it?
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be really high on Mike Evans.
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about that.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Over on ESPN, he's going in the 80s right now, which is badly absurd in my opinion.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy who's going at the four, five turn
31:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know last year was pretty rough in terms of the injuries and just the baseline production.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers weren't great.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He only had two games where he finished as a weekly wide receiver to her better.
31:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to understand, though, that Mike Evans profile is volatile.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just who he is a player because his value is derived by him, racking up red zone and end zone targets.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: and converting on downfield targets as well.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But unlike Alec Pierce, he does it really consistently.
31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He converts and he draws the targets.
31:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year he still posted pretty strong target share and just target earning numbers.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't convert.
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw 14 targets, at least 20 yards down the field last year.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Only caught three of them.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just a year of him running bad in my opinion.
31:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He was still relatively involved in the offense to a degree that we would like to see.
31:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he moves to 49ers offense that have made fancy superstars out of just about anyone regardless of the position.
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that the competition, especially for him, to be the go-to guy in the red zone is about nil.
32:11
[SPEAKER_00]: The only guy that we thought was going to threaten Mike Evans for targets in the YBCV room is gone.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: He's evaporated.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Pierce saw it is no longer there.
32:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really bullish on Mike Evans, especially at these redraft prices.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Strimling and Debo.
32:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of throwing my hands in the air to a degree.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not entirely sure I'm gonna be ahead of the market on both of these guys because both of them just have the skill set that Kyle Shanahan has been known to exploits.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them are the calling card, they're defining trait.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there ability to get it done after the catch?
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Debo Samuel, he has a career worst year in terms of yards after the catch per reception.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, I think you can attribute that to some of that to the offense.
32:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we just know how bad it was in Washington last year, Jaden Daniels barely plays.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: It's effectively a lost season, dribbling.
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he showed during his time in college that he can get it done with the ball on his hand.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that there's room for routes for both of them and playing time for both of them, dribbling, not sure how quickly it will come.
33:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see this guy being a 40% route guy to open the year, but then they continue to bring along as this season progresses.
33:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think dribbling, he's basically going to be free in your home leagues.
33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: in the later rounds and just kind of evaluating what his role looks like over the first course of the season before buys really kick in.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Neither of them I would say are priority guys for me in the later rounds.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they'll end up being ADP beaters and I have a hard time seeing either of them just going nuclear and being real smashes at their relative costs.
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm looking at my rankings right now.
33:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I have Evans up at WiderCaver 17.
33:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Like happy to take him in the fourth round anywhere.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He's available.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Stripling's down at like WiderCaver 49 debos in the 50s right now.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like, I could see myself moving him up a little bit.
34:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a dude that like,
34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: week one, I could see Debo running like 80% of the routes, you know, getting a bunch of really easy check downs, and then people convince themselves, like, oh, he's going to be six for 60 every single week.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I wouldn't really fight it because Kyle Shantan is so good at scheming up players like that.
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, he knows how to use Debo Samuel.
34:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily think like Debo is a terrible player at this point.
34:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, it's...
34:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Some point like a team needs to consider their salary cap, right?
34:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't just keep every single player and pay them the max amount.
34:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had to let them leave, I'm not a fan of Cliff King's Barry.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is good at forcing targets or forcing screens.
34:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's like a very efficient or any sort of like creative offensive mind out there.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a mixture of debo falling off, but also just being in a system that's not going to allow him to really like.
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: have anything going for him.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I am really curious to see how this receiver room shakes out because it's so new compared to what they've had over the last few years with no more RICIP and Joanne Jennings was such a staple of that offense as well.
34:53
[SPEAKER_01]: You got George Kiddler coming back from the Achilles.
34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even really touch on there, but I'm I'm more fading George Kiddler this year.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's too old.
35:00
[SPEAKER_01]: The injury to me feels a little bit too serious right now.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd much rather take other guys at the position and bank on other San Francisco 49ers there.
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think those were Mike Evans could eat, right?
35:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they don't have any other red zone options there.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he ends up scoring double-digit touchdowns, wouldn't shock me at all.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm kind of in lock set with you.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan of Mike Evans, don't really know what to do with the other guys.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
35:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Next high profile signing, we had Debo, I should mention, contract was like one year, roughly three and a half million has some incentives on playing time production, et cetera.
35:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Seth Bond digs on the other hand, one year, $12 million to land in his hometown of Washington
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this signing for them.
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a reason that I think I'm like still relatively optimistic about Jane Daniels despite the injury to Larry Meeton's soul.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Dick's was good last year.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: There was really no way around it like he's not the same explosive downfield playmaker as he was when he was with the bills and his prime obviously, but like legitimate chain mover, legitimate possession guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is going to have a role that's
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[SPEAKER_01]: different to Terry McClellan like you mentioned before Terry makes his money I think downfield like he's such a good field stretcher and he can get all over the field whereas digs I don't think is going to stretch a defense but he can move the change for you and it's a depth chart that's so void of like actual proven past catchers and um yeah I just I just think digs has some stuff left in the tank his week to week sealing I don't know how high that really is but I could see him being a major factor in this passing offense
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[SPEAKER_00]: were very much on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're last year super efficient and productive in a limited rotational role with the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you do have to keep in mind that it was a season in which he was coming off an ACL tear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that he far exceeded my expectations, considering the injury and his age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I 100% agree that he has gas left in the tank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My only concern is what is the upside?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I do think that Chigo Conquo does pose a legitimate threat to his ability to earn targets in the underneath areas of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really high on Chigo Conquo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is a special talent at the tight end position in terms of what he can do in the open field, just making defenders miss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that there could be a world in which they're kind of just eating at each other and it becomes difficult for for digs to see the volume that we would like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you said, there's just no no hurdle for digs to clear in terms of him returning to a full time or semi-full time guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just
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[SPEAKER_00]: consistently running 65 to 75% of the routes and earning volume consistently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's going to be a guy who I'm going to rank right around pick 100 somewhere in that range with the likes of like Matthew golden and kind of that tier of wide receivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he be a league winning type of guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the hang up for me because that's where you're drafting your bench wide receivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to stack my bench with guys who can drastically exceed where we're drafting them and exceed their ADP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a hard time with that with digs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can very much see the outcome where he finishes as the wide receiver 18 on the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He draws upwards of 100 targets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes on to have another thousand yard a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's nice if you're in a deeper league, or your team is just destroyed by injuries and you need some level of why to see for two production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of the archetypes of players that I want to load up on my bench, it's, I'm having a hard time getting there with digs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree around that spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I haven't, I haven't right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why does he refer 45 is around that like 100-ish mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of in line with the market for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think when I'm actually on the clock, I will be taking shots on those second-year players that people are off on, like you mentioned, the Matthew Goldens of the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are a little bit more exciting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, like, what really is the upside for stuff on digs, I even think Widership 18 feels quite optimistic because he's not going to be forced into like the Widership or one role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, how many yards is Jane Daniels really going to throw for in a perfect world because he's going to add 800, 900 on the ground himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it like limits the the passing upside overall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this feels like such a good real life move for the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to look back and you're going to be like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 840 yards and like five touchdowns, but when you're actually playing the game of fantasy football, you never feel comfortable like putting him into your line up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what kind of spooks me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, yeah, more, more real-life, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for Washington, little bit tough to bite the bite the price on what he's actually going to do for your lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're going to move to the buyer sell section of training camp, buzz, hype, trying to
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[SPEAKER_01]: and get your take on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's no one more deserving of being a top this list in Parker Washington.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Jacksonville Jaguar's wide receiver who had his, you know, third-year-ish breakout, particularly down the stretch last year, finishing with, you know, a handful of 100 yard receiving games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And from every single report you hear at Jacksonville, he is the number one target right now for Trevor Lawrence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am, you know, I've had Parker Washington as my number one guy in Jacksonville since like the spring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've always had him over BTJ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried now that he's going to come with a price tag that's like unpalatable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't actually draft him at the price that he's going to be going by the time you draft because of the hype here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still my favorite weapon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on this team without a doubt and I probably, if I'm playing in a multitude of drafts, like I'm going to pull the trigger on him just because I want some exposure to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think there's real risk here of like the Green Bay Packers effect or the Indianapolis effect where they just have like so many real quality receivers that like the first time Parker Washington's off the field on 12 personnel, it's going to be like, ah fuck, like, what was I thinking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course it was going to be BTJ on the outside of your Kobe Myers on the outside, so
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[SPEAKER_01]: My biggest hangup is like, do we really get Parker Washington running 85 plus percent of the routes with the receiver room as deep as Jacksonville is I fully bought it on a breakout.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just I'm I'm a little crazy about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I opened the off season in a different spot as you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was BTJ all the way, and I have fully bent the knee and capitulated on Parker Washington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, has this guy ever had a bad practice?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's every day that they're just glazing this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The B reporters on Twitter and just in their articles, it's ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not buy into it at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing, because I shared the same concern about the routes volume, what is this rotation look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of course, all of these guys are going to play barring injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just not a world in which they keep one of these guys off the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think
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[SPEAKER_00]: that some of the offseason reporting that is slipping through the cracks is that Parker Washington's routes might not be the one that are limited or impacted by the rotation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said himself that Liam Owen told him that he plans to play him in all personnel packages 11 12 and 13 and any plans to line him up all over the formation x f z in the slot on the outside wherever you want to have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm optimistic that his he leaves this team in routes
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that his ceiling isn't capped by snap share and rout share concerns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is one situation that I will be keeping my eyes glued to in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to see how they mix up the usage and the deployment for these four, they're all gonna play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all gonna play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just growing increasingly optimistic that it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Parker Washington and BTJ who lead the way and it's Jacobi Myers and Travis Hunter who cannibalize each other and you wouldn't think that that would be the case because last year and kind of what we were expecting coming into his rookie or Travis Hunter was viewed as a slot guide as some degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reports coming out of training camp that he's doing a lot of outside and downfield stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that could be really nice for anyone who's bullish on Parker Washington this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is something that I think that the preseason kind of usage report and snap shares and all that, that's going to be really, really valuable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just to touch on that, we're going to be doing a weekly recap, just like this following the actual preseason games themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you, you know, if you want to dive into the numbers once that stuff kind of starts to roll out the first preseason game for the first so you don't week one preseason games will start tonight and we'll have videos going live Monday, Tuesday covering that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So make sure you subscribe to the channel if you want to get some more in-depth numbers with that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Parker Wash, like it's so clear that when you were watching them play last year, like there's a clear chemistry between Trevor Lawrence and guys that he trusts to catch the ball by the end of the year, and that was Parker Wash and then Jacobi Myers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And his target share was not super high because he's sharing, you know, routes with a lot of guys, but his target rate in terms of like getting targeted when he's actually running the routes, top 20 in the NFL as you're around 25% and I'd imagine that's only going to grow as he continues to get more and more solidified in the offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think probably
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[SPEAKER_01]: the most intriguing part of this is we talked about Luther Bird in being Ben Johnson's Amman Ra is like Liam Cohen is kind of a mastermind with slot players as well, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we saw it with Godwin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like no reason Parker Washington can't be a similar type guy that's getting these six seven targets a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's also like a little bit more explosive downfield.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: people probably realize like he can make plays down fields.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are great with the ball on his hands like a yak monster actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone that I think profiles a little bit like Debo Samo like he's a little bit built like a running back and he can run with the ball on his hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's a lot going for my biggest concern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would just be all right, when they do get into 12, 13 personnel like sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's on the field for a few of those, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is he going to be the guy that gets the 90% snap rate?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you told me it was like, I don't know how high I'd be drafting his guy, but it'd probably be a little bit dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, when I, if I had to choose by yourself, I'm absolutely buying the hype on Parker Washington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're on the same page there, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Luther Burton, we already kind of touched on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know if Luther Burton's hype was necessarily like media manufacturer as much as it was like fantasy manufacturer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely got a lot of hype.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson's been kind of riding it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The entire summer as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we both probably given our takes on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are very much buying the hype on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was wait and see mode, but I'm happy to grab him if I feel like he falls to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at value here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we can maybe talk about the other two pass catchers in Chicago that we didn't really touch on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Colson Lovelin, who has been getting insane amount of love as well this off season because of how well he performed down the stretch and then Roamadoon say as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not getting like a ton of hype or anything, but I think he's worth touching on just because, you know, he's kind of like the forgotten man that is really talented, but like what spot does he have in this offense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So outside of burden, do you buy or sell both Colson Lovelin
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to buy Colston Lovelin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a guy I had a massive amount of in his rookie year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was disappointed to see that it came so late, but I felt vindicated because it did happen because this guy is quite obviously the real deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you couple that with all the buzz about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what was the quote like, Colston Lovelin is the son that the bear's offense or bits around is just ridiculous stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's obviously not at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: actionable or meaningful in any way, but it's awesome to see stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I legitimately think Koston Lovelin has Titan 1 in his range of outcomes this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just that unique of talent and his ability to not only be effective and efficient playmaker, but is also to just rack up and pile up targets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw some pretty insane target totals from him down the stretch, including in the play
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[SPEAKER_00]: prospects and overall outlook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Romo Dunze, I think you could guess just considering how high I am on the year two guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a tough time getting to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not full fading him, but it's harder for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember writing up just like back in the last two years, writing up Romo Dunze in just waxing poetic about how strong his usage was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like an alpha-wide receiver one in terms of his role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the texture of this passing room, this
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[SPEAKER_00]: has changed with the arrival of loveland and burden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that there is a world in which this guy pays off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The discrepancy between where we see the ADPs on Underdog and where he's going on the ESPN's, the Yahoo's, the sleepers, he is getting pulled up in your homely ex and in your redraft fleets, so I'm probably not going to have much of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still willing to leave the light on though, but given all the excitement that I have for the other two guys, it's just like you said, the forgotten child, the forgotten stepchild, whatever you want to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a little similar to BTJ where it's like you want to believe that he's a really talented player, but you just look at the offense and you're like, where does he fit, you know, like does he does the play caller like really see him as a big integral piece of the offense as he want to run the offense through him and it doesn't feel like that's the case for Roman fortunately, like he'll have his days, but will he have the full year probably not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move to some under the radar rookies that we are either looking at in the later parts of best fall, but maybe some high upside shots in your double digit rounds of your homilies here and these are the guys that I feel like recently have gotten the most hype out of their respective camps and I'll start with the most recent one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, we'll just do like a quick run through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get your takes on them as like a prospect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you think they have any actual relevance in the redraft leagues throughout the year here, we have Baltimore Ravens, Jacobi Lane, who, you know, we had the Baltimore B reporter come out and say, like, hasn't seen a training camp like this from a receiver in Baltimore ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A dude who's been covering the team, I think for like 27 years, you have the two Browns receivers in Denzel, Boston, Casey, Concepts, you know, and they put very big draft capital into retooling their receiver room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: terrible situation, but the Denzel Boston hype is very, very real right now, and you have Cyrus Allen out of Kansas City here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, despite the the big names at the top, the Rachi Rice is the Xavier worthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they have like a lot of legitimate well-rounded talent there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think there's opportunity in the passing game there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what say you about these three, four prospects?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are there any of them that you are actually like actively going out and pursuing in redraff leagues you think have real upside you think of real staying power in the great year of twenty twenty six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't, unfortunately, I'm excited about these guys prospects, but just knowing how deep your typical home league is, it's not really gonna reach a point where I'm drafting any of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps I'll take some stabs on Denzel Boston, but he's the only one that really comes to mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's hard to see a path to any of these guys having the week to week consistency that makes you actually want to insert them into your starting lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to make that decision each and every week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: move hop on to your app and make the click and move these guys in your starting lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacobi Lane monster at the catch point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolute monster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A friend of mine calls him blue hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacobi Lane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is so good in contested situations and in the red zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you just look at the offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lamar Jackson has had a hard time sustaining secondary past catchers just given the nature of how run heavy this offense has been over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's room for safe flowers and given the thinness, the lack of depth at the tight end position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Andrews has been able to get there on the back of touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's never been that second guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rashad Bateman, he delivered some nice games in 2024, when Lamar Jackson put together an MVP season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was never enough for him to be a viable starting option in your standard two, start to ride the Super's in a flex league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Denzel Boston, it's a very similar story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember back in the pre-draft process, this was a guy who people were mocking in the first round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's basically a fringe first round talent
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think given the environment in Cleveland, there's just going to be enough room for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Todd Monkin, the quarterback situation and the presence of other guys, I think it's just going to be too much for him to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really high on Harold Fanon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he leads this team in targets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even with the buzz, you have to acknowledge that conception could also be a staple, featured wide receiver of this offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Ken Shodor Sanders or Deshan Watson,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Harold Fanon is leading the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can either of those guys deliver a quality second receiver?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My thought is no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My thought is no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take the stab in one of your later rounds on Boston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you'd like, if you liked the profile because I did, so I'd be open to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep in my defense for a few weeks, just evaluate the situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cyrus Allen, he really wasn't on my radar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the after the draft and early in the off season, when he was kind of hitting rookie camp, hitting mini camp and all that stuff, it's nice to see him making praise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on my radar at this point, but he doesn't really move the needle for me.
51:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We know Andy Reed has a long played out history of slow playing rookies and their incorporation into the offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only been a few guys over the years who have broken that mold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fair to be critical of the chiefs wide deceivers, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rashi Rice, one of those guys who is definitely a lot more valuable in fantasy than in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Xavier Worthy has never put it together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's an opportunity there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he belongs on the waver wire to open the year and just see where things go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm kind of aligned with you there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like for Jacobi Lane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's exciting to see him like, you know, them getting possibly illegitimate, water, silver, two, three involved in the mix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was one year ago that basically, the stat that you kept seeing thrown around was like, Lamar Jackson's, it never produced like a top 25 fantasy, water, silver or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they flowers obviously had the breakout year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't that long ago that we were like the Mardex and literally can't really produce fantasy-wide receivers and now we're asking for something out of a second or a third wide receiver there and it's like probably need to cool down quarterback situations a nightmare in Cleveland though I do really I like Todd Monk and coming in I think he's a pretty sharp offensive coordinator so I have no problem taking shots on either of those past catchers there in Cleveland because I think you always have to leave a little bit of room for things to break in ways that you don't know or players like a shit door to be a little bit
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that can make all the world a difference in, you know, a 14, 15, 16th round pick for the guys you're taking very late in your drafts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cyrus Allen is the one that probably is the most actual target competition here and the least likely path to real playing time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So also, you know, tough to bite the trigger there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you drafted them in rookie drafts and you're like, cool, my guys are getting a little bit of buzz right now, the values on the uptick, but their their fun clicks may be in the last round of your drafts, but hard to buy real hype here as it relates to
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[SPEAKER_01]: redraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we are coming up on nearly an hour for the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we will cut it there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a blast man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the stuff I love talking through and again, your takes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So looking forward to the other ones will actually have players on the football field to talk through and give some takes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've been beating our heads against the wall, talking about clips and tweets and reports for the last handful of months.
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