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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And His Demeanor In The Days After The Murders (9/9/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Brian
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger and the murders in Moscow were the subject of
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Speaker 1: a new documentary on ABC News called The King Road Killings.
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Speaker 1: And in that documentary... some of Brian Koberger's classmates and
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Speaker 1: others had some pretty interesting things to say about.
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Speaker 2: The accused killer.
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Speaker 1: And this follows a pattern that we have seen previously
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Speaker 1: in this case with people who have known Koberger at
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Speaker 1: certain points during his life. And we have heard now
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Speaker 1: from several people that span several different decades of his
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Speaker 1: life that he had a problem with anger, that he
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Speaker 1: flew into rages, And now we're hearing that he didn't
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Speaker 1: show up to school the day after the murders. So
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Speaker 1: let's dive into this article from Inside Edition and let's
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Speaker 1: see what author Chris Spargo has for us. Headline, In
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Speaker 1: an interview with ABC News, the King Road killings of
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Speaker 1: fellow grad student at Washington State University describes Brian Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: as sometimes rude and condescending and capable of becoming angry
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Speaker 1: over seemingly minor issues. And nothing we have learned about
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger in the wake of these murders is reassuring,
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Speaker 1: if you're talking about from a defensive perspective. Everything we've
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Speaker 1: learned about him is damning, and the prosecution continues to
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Speaker 1: build this profile of who Brian Kohlberger is. Now, it
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Speaker 1: might not seem like much yet, but wait until opening
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Speaker 1: statements start, and they drop all of this on his
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Speaker 1: head like 10,000 pounds of bricks, just like they did
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Speaker 1: Lori Vallow. Like I said, this article was authored by
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Speaker 1: Chris Spargo. Brian Koberger treated female professors with disrespect and
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Speaker 1: made a female classmate uncomfortable by repeatedly asking her out,
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Speaker 1: claims a grad student who attended Washington State University with
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Speaker 1: the suspected murderer. Like, what are you doing, bro? Shoot
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Speaker 1: your shot, and if it misses, keep it moving. Why
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Speaker 1: do you have to harass people?
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Speaker 2: I just don't understand. There are so many.
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Speaker 1: Girls out there or guys or whatever. Why would you
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Speaker 1: fixate on one and harass them and never leave them
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Speaker 1: alone unless you're a degenerate psychopath? In an interview with
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Speaker 1: ABC News, The King Road Killings, a fellow grad student
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Speaker 1: at Washington State University claims Kohlberger was sometimes rude and
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Speaker 1: condescending and capable of becoming angry over seemingly minor issues
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Speaker 1: like being docked a point or two in class. And
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Speaker 1: on its own, that's not really a big deal, right?
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Speaker 1: People get upset, especially in college. I know that when
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Speaker 1: I didn't score what I wanted to score on a paper,
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Speaker 1: I was upset.
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Speaker 2: Not at the teacher, though. At myself. But I don't
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Speaker 2: get the whole rude and condescending. You're in college.
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Speaker 1: Why are you sitting there being rude and condescending to
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Speaker 1: your classmates? Don't you think they might have something to
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Speaker 1: offer as far as something you might be able to
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Speaker 1: learn from them? Isn't that why you're in college? Oh,
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Speaker 1: that's right. We're talking about a narcissistic lunatic who is
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Speaker 1: so deep in his own hubris that he couldn't see
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Speaker 1: the forest through the trees. If Einstein showed up. He'd
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Speaker 1: think he's smarter than Einstein when it comes to physics.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, we all know this type of person. We've
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Speaker 1: all dealt with them. And I know some of us
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Speaker 1: have even had bosses just like this guy. Well, without
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Speaker 1: the murder spree, of course. But the condescending attitude. The
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Speaker 1: I'm better than you attitude. When in reality, you know
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Speaker 1: that they're not better than you. But that's just how
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Speaker 1: some people are built. And fortunately, for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the world, most people like that aren't killers. But according
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Speaker 1: to the government, Brian Koberger is. When angry, the grad
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Speaker 1: student alleges that Kohlberger's face would turn bright red and
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Speaker 1: he clenched his fists until his knuckles were white. Now
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Speaker 1: imagine getting that mad in school. Like maybe if you're
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Speaker 1: like in first grade or something like that, but college,
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Speaker 1: this is the way you're going to act as a
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Speaker 1: PhD candidate? What it tells me is that Brian Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: was spiraling. His inner demons, the ones that he had
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Speaker 1: worked to keep pressed down deep in the dark recesses
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Speaker 1: of his stomach, well... they could no longer be oppressed.
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Speaker 1: And they were making their way to the surface, and
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Speaker 1: this is the way that it was showing itself. And
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Speaker 1: then finally, it culminated with what happened on King Road
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Speaker 1: in the early morning hours on November 13th. A second
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Speaker 1: colleague in the same program similarly described Kohlberger's behavior to
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Speaker 1: ABC News. The grad student claims Kohlberger lacked respect for
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Speaker 1: people's boundaries, telling ABC News, He allegedly developed a crush
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Speaker 1: on a female in the criminology program and began, repeatedly,
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Speaker 1: asking her out and staring at her. The woman allegedly
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Speaker 1: felt so uncomfortable that other students made a point of
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Speaker 1: never leaving them alone.
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Speaker 2: Together, says the grad student. I mean, really? How is
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Speaker 2: that even allowed?
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Speaker 1: Like, you don't go to the professor and say to
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Speaker 1: the professor, look, this guy's a weirdo, he's leering at me,
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Speaker 1: he keeps hitting on me, and I don't want to
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Speaker 1: be in a class with him. And from the perspective
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Speaker 1: of the school, what are you guys doing? You have
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Speaker 1: this guy not only here as a student, but employed
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Speaker 1: as the TA, and he has this kind of behavior?
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Speaker 1: The first time he mouthed off to the professor, he
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Speaker 1: should have lost his job. Being part of that criminology
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Speaker 1: program is a privilege.
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Speaker 2: It's not a right.
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Speaker 1: So Brian Koberger's behavior should have led directly to his
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Speaker 1: ass getting thrown out. ABC News said that the grad
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Speaker 1: student spoke on the condition of anonymity. In his role
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Speaker 1: as a teacher's assistant, Koberger allegedly made his undergraduate students
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Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, according to the grad student. He would allegedly
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Speaker 1: have his office hours run late into the evening and
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Speaker 1: violated protocol by keeping his door closed, according to the
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Speaker 1: grad student. The grad student claims they began to stay
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Speaker 1: in their office after some students voiced their discomfort. So
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Speaker 1: for me, as a manager, in my position at the
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Speaker 1: sportsbook and when I worked in the joint, At the
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Speaker 1: Hard Rock, I never had a meeting with an employee
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Speaker 1: by myself. I always had another supervisor there or another manager.
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Speaker 1: That way everything was on the up and up, right?
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Speaker 1: You don't close the door. What's wrong with you? Especially
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Speaker 1: if we're talking about a teacher's assistant talking to a student.
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Speaker 1: What do you need to close the door for? Especially
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Speaker 1: if it's in violation of policy. That grad student claims
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Speaker 1: that Kohlberger's fellow PhD students began tracking his behaviors that
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Speaker 1: bothered them. especially what they saw as disrespect towards female professors.
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Speaker 1: And this has been a common theme that we've heard
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Speaker 1: about Brian Kohlberger, disrespect towards women, not respecting his female professors,
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Speaker 1: and being an all-around jerk-off. That decision to track Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: behavior could pay off for prosecutors in the upcoming murder trial,
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Speaker 1: since it allegedly noted that the man suspected of killing
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Speaker 1: four people in the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13th,
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Speaker 1: did not attend class on Monday, November 14th.
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Speaker 2: So, why not?
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Speaker 1: Why wasn't he in school? For all of you out there,
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Speaker 1: all of you contrarians, who think that Brian Koberger is innocent,
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Speaker 1: why wasn't he in school the next day? Oh, that's right,
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Because he was at the house
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Speaker 1: on King Road, taking a look at his handiwork.
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Speaker 2: That's why.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've tried to give Koberger the benefit of
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Speaker 1: the doubt here, but the more we learn, the more
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Speaker 1: we see, the more evidence that's presented, the harder that becomes.
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger's defense team did not respond to a request for comment.
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Speaker 1: A gag order prohibits his attorneys from speaking publicly about
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Speaker 1: their client.
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Speaker 2: Or his case.
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger is accused of killing four University of Idaho students
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night at an off-campus house.
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Speaker 1: Three of the victims, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, and Zanna Carnotel,
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Speaker 1: lived in the home. The fourth victim, 20-year-old Ethan Chapin,
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Speaker 1: was in a relationship with Kernodle. And just a quick
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Speaker 1: correction here, Kaylee wasn't living at the home at the time.
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Speaker 1: She had already returned home to live with her parents,
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Speaker 1: and she was just visiting to show Madison her new car.
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Speaker 2: Or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger told a previous public defender that he expects to
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Speaker 1: be exonerated at trial. In May, he declined to enter
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Speaker 1: a plea after being formally charged with four counts of murder.
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Speaker 1: The judge in the case entered a not guilty plea
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Speaker 1: on his behalf. In a filing last month, his defense
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Speaker 1: team questioned the strength of the case against their client,
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Speaker 1: claiming that the DNA of three other men had been
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Speaker 1: discovered at the murder scene. And while that sounds damning,
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Speaker 1: when you examine what they're talking about, all they're saying
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Speaker 1: is that other DNA was found at the scene of
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Speaker 1: the crime. We know that a lot of people were
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Speaker 1: in and out of this house. We know it was
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Speaker 1: a party house. So that doesn't surprise me at all.
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Speaker 1: When you go back and look at what we talked
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Speaker 1: about previously, about how the whole crime scene's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a bunch of DNA soup, it's certainly not surprising. However,
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Speaker 1: what they forget to talk about is the DNA on
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Speaker 1: the sheath of the knife. And until that's explained, none
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Speaker 1: of these other excuses or reasons why Brian Kohlberger is
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Speaker 1: innocent are going to fly. You're gonna have to explain
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Speaker 1: that DNA on the knife sheath and how it got there.
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Speaker 2: And until you.
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Speaker 1: Do that, all of the rest of this stuff you're
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Speaker 1: doing as far as the defense, it's performative. The filing
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Speaker 1: also claims that there is a total lack of DNA
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Speaker 1: evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohlberger's apartment, office, home,
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Speaker 1: or vehicle that we know of. And as far as
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Speaker 1: the vehicle goes, if he went there knowing that he
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Speaker 1: was going to commit these murders, wouldn't it make sense
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Speaker 1: if he had his vehicle prepared with plastic and the
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Speaker 1: rest of it so that on his ride home, remember
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Speaker 1: he took the long way home, he could get rid
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Speaker 1: of that evidence?
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Speaker 2: That would make sense to me. Now, I know I'm
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Speaker 2: not some.
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Speaker 1: Hotshot PhD student, like Brian Kohlberger, but getting rid of
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Speaker 1: evidence is a good idea. And if you go someplace
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Speaker 1: and you know you're going to murder people, being prepared
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Speaker 1: to do it is also a good idea. Wearing the
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Speaker 1: right clothes, disposable, etc., etc. Another piece of evidence that
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Speaker 1: the defense says is lacking is the identification of the
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Speaker 1: suspect's car. The probable cause affidavit references a white sedan,
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Speaker 1: but makes no mention of make or model. Jay Weston Logsdon,
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Speaker 1: the attorney for Kohlberger, says that there is only one
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Speaker 1: sighting of a vehicle that is certainly a Hyundai Elantra.
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Speaker 1: Remember those technicalities I'm always talking about? Well, you're seeing
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Speaker 1: it here. Jay Logsdon and Ann Taylor and Alyssa Massoff,
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Speaker 1: they understand that they're really up against it. And the
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Speaker 1: evidence against their client is as high as Mount Everest.
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger owned and drove a 2016 Elantra. These claims were
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Speaker 1: included in the defense's objection to prosecutors' request seeking a
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Speaker 1: protective order for the genetic genealogy testing done in the case.
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Speaker 1: The defense is seeking a detailed breakdown of how FBI
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Speaker 1: agents utilized genetic genealogy to initially identify Kohlberger as a
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Speaker 1: person of interest in the case. Now, I think that
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Speaker 1: should be turned over to the defense. I don't think
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Speaker 1: that any of the test results should be held back.
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Speaker 1: Just give them all of them. Why even worry about it?
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Speaker 1: Give them everything you have, let them trace the genealogy themselves,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to get to the same destination.
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Speaker 2: Because guess what? The truth is what the truth is.
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Speaker 1: The state is arguing that since DNA from a buccal
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Speaker 1: swab provided by the suspect after his arrest matched the
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Speaker 1: DNA found on a knife sheath, At the scene, the
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Speaker 1: genetic genealogy results will play no role in the upcoming
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Speaker 1: trial and are inconsequential to proving the suspect's guilt or innocence.
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Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, I don't like that. If I
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Speaker 1: was Brian Koberger, I'd want all of these test results
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Speaker 1: as well. I want to see how you arrived at
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Speaker 1: that destination. Remember in math class? Let me see the work.
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Speaker 1: The judge has not yet ruled on the matter if
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Speaker 1: convicted Koberger could face the death penalty. And the state
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Speaker 1: of Idaho has already said they're going to pursue the
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Speaker 1: death penalty in this case. So he's definitely going to
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Speaker 1: face the death penalty if he's found guilty. The question is,
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Speaker 1: will the state be able to get the ball over
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Speaker 1: the goal line and get the conviction that they're seeking?
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Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: All of the information that goes with the episode can
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Speaker 1: be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. Today, we're going to hop
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Speaker 1: right back into some of the headlines that we might
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Speaker 1: have missed from overnight and see where things stand as
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Speaker 1: of this morning. And to do that, once again, we'll
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Speaker 1: be using the independent. Headline, Idaho murders. Brian Koberger teen
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Speaker 1: notes about having no emotion revealed. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Rachel Sharp and Andrea Blanco. Chilling online comments made
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Speaker 1: by suspected killer Brian Koberger when he was a teenager
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Speaker 1: have resurfaced, revealing how he felt blank, had no emotion
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Speaker 1: and felt little remorse years before he allegedly murdered four
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho students in a brutal knife attack. Now.
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Speaker 1: As far as Kohlberger goes, are we sure this dude
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Speaker 1: hasn't committed any crimes before? I mean, it seems like
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Speaker 1: quite a leap for me anyway, that this dude just
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Speaker 1: decides one day that he's going to murder four people. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody
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Speaker 1: can go from zero to 60 that quickly, but usually
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Speaker 1: there's progression. And that progression includes other murders, right? You
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Speaker 1: don't just walk in and kill four people. But again,
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Speaker 1: nothing about this case is normal. Nothing about this case
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Speaker 1: is regular. Everything about this is just so bizarre and
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Speaker 1: so crazy that nothing shocks me at this point. Back
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Speaker 1: in 2011, when he was 16 years old, Mr. Koberger
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Speaker 1: spoke about his mental health struggles in an online forum
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Speaker 1: and described seeing nothing when he looked at his own family.
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Speaker 1: As I hug my family, I look into their faces.
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Speaker 2: I see nothing.
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Speaker 1: It's like I am looking at a video game, but less,
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Speaker 1: he wrote. More than a decade later, he is facing
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Speaker 1: the death penalty for the murders of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin back on November 13th. The
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Speaker 1: 28-year-old criminology PhD student appeared in court on Thursday with
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Speaker 1: several small cuts on his face where he agreed to
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Speaker 1: waive his right to a speedy preliminary hearing. now his
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Speaker 1: next court date, is scheduled for June 26th. And those
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Speaker 1: cuts that they're talking about, well, according to the sheriff's office,
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger received those cuts while shaving in prison. Idaho
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Speaker 1: murder victims had no connection to Brian Koberger, says attorney.
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Speaker 1: The four University of Idaho students murdered in an off-campus
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Speaker 1: home in Moscow, Idaho, had no known connection to their
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Speaker 1: suspected killer, Brian Koberger, according to an attorney for one
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Speaker 1: of the victim's families.
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Speaker 2: No one knew of this guy at all.
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Speaker 1: Shannon Gray, who represents the family of victim Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: told Business Insider. His comments come as prosecutors in Idaho
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Speaker 1: are yet to reveal a motive for the brutal quadruple
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Speaker 1: murders or what connection, if any, they believe Mr. Koberger
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Speaker 1: had to any of the victims. The affidavit released last
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Speaker 1: week revealed how cell phone data suggests that the suspect
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Speaker 1: stalked the home of the victims at least 12 times
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Speaker 1: between June and the night of the murders. And if
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Speaker 1: it wasn't for that sheath, folks, they would have no
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Speaker 1: idea who this dude is yet. So you want to
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Speaker 1: talk about making some crucial errors? Leaving that sheath was
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Speaker 1: the top of the food chain. Dumbass moves. And without
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Speaker 1: that DNA being found on that sheath, they would have
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Speaker 1: never tracked him down.
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Speaker 2: So all of this other stuff, all these other issues.
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Speaker 1: The phone pinging him, you know, stalking them, all of
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Speaker 1: that stuff would have never even been known. So it
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Speaker 1: all went back to that DNA and that DNA being
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Speaker 1: traced to his father through the rummaging around in the garbage.
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger appears in court with face cuts as he
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Speaker 1: waves his right to a speedy trial. Suspected quadruple killer
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger appeared in court with cuts on his face
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Speaker 1: as he waived his right to a speedy trial on
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Speaker 1: charges of murdering four Idaho students. The 28-year-old criminology Ph.D.
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Speaker 1: student made a brief appearance in Latah County Courthouse in
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Speaker 1: Moscow on Thursday morning for a status hearing in the
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Speaker 1: murder case. Dressed in an orange T-shirt with unexplained marks
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Speaker 1: on his face, Mr. Koberger spoke only to answer yes
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Speaker 1: when asked if he understood his rights to a speedy,
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing within the next 14 days. And if he
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Speaker 1: agreed to waive those rights and he did waive those rights,
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Speaker 1: he wants to have time to build his defense. And again,
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Speaker 1: the cuts and scratches on his face. Well, he got
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Speaker 1: those due to shaving, according to the authorities. So let's
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Speaker 1: just be clear before people run with that one and
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Speaker 1: start talking about how he's going to get Epstein. BTK
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Speaker 1: killer Dennis Rader sees similarities between himself and Brian Koberger. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's great company to keep, huh? Fellow travelers and all.
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Speaker 1: BTK killer Dennis Rader has said that he sees similarities
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Speaker 1: between himself and Brian Koberger, the man accused of murdering
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Speaker 1: four Idaho students. Rader, who was convicted of murdering 10
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Speaker 1: in Wichita, Kansas, told TMZ in a jailhouse email that
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Speaker 1: he can relate to Mr. Koberger's dark mind and believes
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Speaker 1: he may have been motivated by a fantasy homicide to kill,
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Speaker 1: much like himself.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what is wrong with people? The scariest part
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Speaker 2: is this.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people out there like these
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Speaker 1: two idiots, and we have no idea that they're living
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Speaker 1: in communities amongst us, working with us, shopping at the
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Speaker 1: same stores we shop at.
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Speaker 2: Believe it.
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Speaker 1: There are sick people living in your community right now.
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Speaker 1: People just like BTK, and obviously people like Brian Koberger.
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Speaker 1: While Rader confessed to killing his victims in order to
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Speaker 1: fulfill his sexual fantasies, a motive has not yet been
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Speaker 1: revealed for the 13th of November murders of Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Mr. Koberger has
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Speaker 1: not yet been asked to enter a plea in Idaho court,
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Speaker 1: but is said to plan to fight the allegations. Now,
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Speaker 1: we know from the affidavit and from reports that there
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Speaker 1: was no sexual assaults that took place. However, That doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean the crime wasn't of a sexual nature. Some of
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Speaker 1: these guys, the killing is what gets them off. And
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Speaker 1: I know it sounds bizarre to those of us out
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Speaker 1: here who are at least partially normal. That sounds very,
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Speaker 1: very bizarre. But there's a whole ass bunch of people
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Speaker 1: who really have these fantasies. And the only way they
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Speaker 1: can satiate these these wants and these needs is to
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Speaker 1: actually go out and live up to these fantasies. And
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Speaker 1: according to Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, he says that's
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Speaker 1: what he sees in Brian Koberger. According to his affidavit,
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Speaker 1: the suspect may have stalked the victims home at least
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Speaker 1: 12 times prior to the murders. BTK wrote in his
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Speaker 1: email that he thinks Mr. Koberger would lie in wait
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Speaker 1: for the victims and stalk them and their student home
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Speaker 1: in Moscow, writing that this was much like I did.
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Speaker 1: And remember, his professor, meaning Brian Koberger's, wrote a book
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Speaker 1: with the BTK. And just because Brian wasn't in contact
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Speaker 1: with BTK doesn't mean he wasn't mimicking some of his patterns. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's for sure. That's up to the
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Speaker 1: investigators to figure out. but it's not out of the
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Speaker 1: realm of possibility. He went on to point out the
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Speaker 1: similarities between one of his own attacks and the quadruple
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Speaker 1: murder that Mr.
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Speaker 2: Koberger is now charged with.
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Speaker 1: In 1974, Rader murdered four members of the Otero family,
20:26
Speaker 1: strangling them to death in their Wichita home.
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Speaker 2: Murder four, much like the Oteros, up close and personal, stabbed.
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Speaker 1: He wrote in the email comparing the two crimes. BTK
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Speaker 1: and Mr. Koberger have an eerie connection. I mean, you
20:42
Speaker 1: want to talk about absolute degenerates, BTK is certainly that.
20:46
Speaker 1: Another one of these punk-ass bitches, another coward, who skulked
20:50
Speaker 1: around in people's homes, and then did what cowards do,
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Speaker 1: and performed a sneak attack to murder them. Mr. Koberger
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Speaker 1: had gained a master's degree in criminology in 2022 from
21:03
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's DeSalas University, where he was taught by Dr.
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Speaker 2: Catherine Schultz, Ramsland.
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Speaker 1: Dr. Ramsland is the leading academic authority on the BTK
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Speaker 1: killings and wrote the 2016 book Confession of a Serial Killer,
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Speaker 1: the untold story of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, drawing
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Speaker 1: on hundreds of hours of interviews and phone conversations with
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Speaker 1: the serial killer to delve deep into his psyche. And again,
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Speaker 1: that sounds bizarre to the rest of us, But Ms. Ramsland,
21:33
Speaker 1: she is a professor and somebody has to try and
21:37
Speaker 1: dive deep into the minds of these sickos, right? So
21:40
Speaker 1: better her than me. But I don't think you can
21:42
Speaker 1: discount the fact that Ramsland, who was Koberger's professor, was
21:48
Speaker 1: in close contact and actually worked with BTK. And then
21:51
Speaker 1: you see Koberger commit these similar crimes. I mean, I
21:54
Speaker 1: don't think that you can just cast it to the
21:56
Speaker 1: side and say there's no copycatting here. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: the investigators are taking a look at that as well.
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger called Idaho murders a crime of passion in
22:08
Speaker 1: a conversation with his neighbor. Oh, that's nice, huh? Crime
22:12
Speaker 1: of passion, is it, Brian Koberger? So this dude's out
22:16
Speaker 1: here pumping his gums to his neighbor, talking about what
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Speaker 1: he thinks went down. Meanwhile, he's the man suspected of
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Speaker 1: these killings. And he's out here talking to his neighbor,
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Speaker 1: talking about how it's a crime of passion. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if the authorities are going to take that into account
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Speaker 1: as well. Could Kohlberger have been spilling the beans a
22:34
Speaker 1: little bit? We just don't know. And until we have
22:38
Speaker 1: some information about a motive, it's going to be pure
22:41
Speaker 1: speculation as far as what drove Brian Kohlberger, allegedly, to
22:46
Speaker 1: commit these crimes. Washington State University Ph.D. student Brian Koberger
22:51
Speaker 1: stands accused of brutally stabbing Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin at an off-campus home in the college
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Speaker 1: town of Moscow on November 13th. It took seven weeks
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Speaker 1: for Mr. Koberger to be linked to the killings resulting
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Speaker 1: in his arrest last month.
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Speaker 2: One of Mr.
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Speaker 1: Koberger's neighbors in Pullman, Washington, a few miles across the
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Speaker 1: Idaho border from Moscow, has now come forward to claim
23:17
Speaker 1: the suspect mentioned the killings to him soon after they occurred,
23:20
Speaker 1: when very few details about the investigations were available to
23:24
Speaker 1: the public. And if you're the neighbor, you don't find
23:27
Speaker 1: that odd when it's happening, right? This dude's a criminology PhD.
23:31
Speaker 1: This is what he does. This is his gig. He's
23:33
Speaker 1: following along because he wants to be a cop someday
23:36
Speaker 1: or a forensic detective. specialist or whatever the hell. So
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Speaker 1: as the neighbor, you don't see this being weird. You're like,
23:42
Speaker 1: oh shit.
23:43
Speaker 2: All right.
23:43
Speaker 1: Got myself an educated opinion from somebody who does this
23:46
Speaker 1: for a living. Meanwhile, looking back on it now in hindsight,
23:50
Speaker 1: how chilling must have that conversation really been? So there
23:55
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23:57
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Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
24:25
Speaker 1: back to the program. Dateline recently ran a special... on
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger and the murders in Moscow, and they revealed
24:34
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting information, including that Brian Kohlberger called his
24:40
Speaker 1: pops roughly two hours after these murders went down. And
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Speaker 1: according to Dateline, it wasn't just one phone call. According
24:49
Speaker 1: to these reports, Brian Kohlberger made several calls to his dad,
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Speaker 1: with some of them lasting up to 54 minutes in duration.
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Speaker 1: So today we have an article from DailyMail.com and we're
25:02
Speaker 1: going to dive right back in and get an update
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Speaker 1: on what's going on with Brian Kohlberger and the murders
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Speaker 1: in Moscow. This article was published by DailyMail.com and the headline,
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Speaker 1: Explosive Detail Buried in Idaho Murder Suspect's Phone Records Reveals
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Speaker 1: Who He Called After the Killings. This article was authored
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Speaker 1: by Rachel Sharpe. Explosive new details have emerged in the
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Speaker 1: case against Brian Koberger, with records revealing he placed a
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Speaker 1: series of phone calls to a family member just two
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Speaker 1: hours after allegedly murdering four students in a stabbing spree.
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Speaker 1: The 30-year-old criminology Ph.D. student called his dad, Michael Koberger,
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Speaker 1: three times in the morning on November 13, 2022, according
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Speaker 1: to bombshell cell phone records obtained by NBC's Dateline. And look,
25:55
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm happy that we have access
25:57
Speaker 1: to this, but where did Dateline get it, considering the
26:00
Speaker 1: gag order? That could be troublesome moving forward, no?
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Speaker 2: The calls began at 6.17am, just.
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Speaker 1: Two hours after Kohlberger is accused of murdering four University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho students, and each lasted up to 54 minutes.
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Speaker 1: So what was he talking to his dad about? That's
26:18
Speaker 1: obviously the question. Now I know our minds want to
26:21
Speaker 1: run wild, but... and come up with all kinds of
26:23
Speaker 1: crazy scenarios, but the truth is, we just don't know.
26:27
Speaker 1: We have no idea what those conversations were about, or
26:31
Speaker 1: why Brian Kohlberger thought it would be a good idea
26:34
Speaker 1: to call his dad just a couple hours after these
26:37
Speaker 1: murders went down. Now, of course, you could look at
26:40
Speaker 1: it that Brian Kohlberger is innocent, and he called his
26:43
Speaker 1: dad because that's what sons do. They call their dad.
26:47
Speaker 1: That's what his team's gonna say. There's nothing nefarious here.
26:51
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, just like anybody else, has a relationship with
26:54
Speaker 1: his father and wanted to give him a call. But
26:58
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Brian Koberger, all the evidence that we've seen
27:02
Speaker 1: that's been lined up against him certainly points us in
27:04
Speaker 1: the direction of something nefarious taking place. What exactly the
27:09
Speaker 1: father and son spoke about remains a mystery, but the
27:12
Speaker 1: shocking revelation comes after prosecutors revealed they planned to call
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Speaker 1: some of Koberger's own family members to testify against him
27:20
Speaker 1: At his capital murder trial this summer.
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Speaker 2: And that's a blow.
27:23
Speaker 1: Imagine you're up there fighting for your life. And they
27:27
Speaker 1: call your mom or your dad or your sister up
27:29
Speaker 1: against you. To come and give testimony. Doesn't sound like
27:33
Speaker 1: a fun time to me. With that said. I highly
27:36
Speaker 1: doubt that they're going to go for the throat. When
27:38
Speaker 1: they have Brian Koberger's people on the stand. They're going
27:41
Speaker 1: to use it to solidify what they've been saying previously.
27:45
Speaker 1: About behavior and stuff like that. And probably they'll be
27:49
Speaker 1: talking about that Amazon account that they all allegedly shared.
27:53
Speaker 1: That'll probably come up with them on the stand. But
27:56
Speaker 1: besides that, I don't really see what the prosecution is
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Speaker 1: going to get from having Kohlberger's people get up on
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Speaker 1: the stand and give testimony. But maybe they have a
28:06
Speaker 1: strategy that we're not aware of yet. Kohlberger is facing
28:12
Speaker 1: the death penalty if convicted of the brutal murders of
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. The
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Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students were slaughtered in a knife
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Speaker 1: attack in the early hours of November 13, 2022, inside
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Speaker 1: the off-campus student home at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: that the three women shared with two other roommates. The
28:36
Speaker 1: two roommates, Bethany Funk and Dylan Mortensen, survived with Mortensen
28:41
Speaker 1: coming face-to-face with the masked killer inside the home that
28:45
Speaker 1: haunting night. And look, if she said anything to him
28:48
Speaker 1: that night, my guess is that Brian Kohlberger, or whoever
28:52
Speaker 1: this person is who did the killing, would have killed
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Speaker 1: her too. So, by the grace of God, she didn't
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Speaker 1: say anything to him, whether it was panic or she was,
29:03
Speaker 1: you know, still intoxicated, whatever. She didn't say anything to
29:07
Speaker 1: him and he went on his way. But if she
29:10
Speaker 1: would have said something to him, I think we would
29:12
Speaker 1: have had a different story that we're talking about here.
29:14
Speaker 1: Based on survivor's accounts as well as surveillance footage which
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Speaker 1: captured a white Hyundai Elantra circling the home, investigators say
29:23
Speaker 1: the murders unfolded just after 4 a.m. Prosecutors allege that
29:29
Speaker 1: the suspect turned his cell phone off or placed it
29:32
Speaker 1: in airplane mode to avoid detection around that time. At 6.17 a.m.,
29:38
Speaker 1: just two hours from the murders. Kohlberger's cell phone was
29:41
Speaker 1: back on and a call was made from it to
29:44
Speaker 1: his father's cell phone according to the records obtained by Dateline.
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Speaker 1: The call lasted 36 minutes with cell tower data placing
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger's phone near his apartment in Pullman at the time.
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Speaker 1: This was the first of three calls a suspected killer
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Speaker 1: made to his dad over the next couple of hours,
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Speaker 1: with the longest lasting, 54 minutes. Look, I'm not going
30:07
Speaker 1: to sit here and try and tell you I know
30:08
Speaker 1: what they talked about, but it's certainly pretty odd. And
30:13
Speaker 1: maybe that has something to do with having his dad
30:16
Speaker 1: come up on the stand talking about that phone call.
30:19
Speaker 1: But remember, his dad could plead the fifth. I don't
30:22
Speaker 1: remember what we said. It was nothing consequential. We were
30:25
Speaker 1: talking about our drive. from Washington back to Pennsylvania. So,
30:30
Speaker 1: you know, it could be a whole host of things
30:32
Speaker 1: that they talked about, obviously, but it certainly is a
30:35
Speaker 1: bit interesting that this phone call happened a couple hours
30:40
Speaker 1: after these murders occurred. But we have to remember, interesting
30:44
Speaker 1: doesn't always amount to consequential. The exact timing of the
30:48
Speaker 1: calls and what Kohlberger spoke about remains unclear. It's also
30:52
Speaker 1: unclear if this was typical behavior for Kohlberger to call
30:55
Speaker 1: his father at that time. Kohlberger's parents live in Albrightville, Pennsylvania,
31:00
Speaker 1: which is three hours ahead of Pullman, making the first
31:03
Speaker 1: call around 9 a.m.
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Speaker 2: For Michael. Well, look, that's not too early in the morning, right?
31:08
Speaker 2: People are up at 9 a.m., especially older folks.
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Speaker 1: So I don't find that too odd, especially if it's
31:14
Speaker 1: something that Kohlberger did all the time. However, it's the
31:18
Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding the phone call and the timing of it
31:21
Speaker 1: that brings it into focus, right? Following those calls to
31:25
Speaker 1: his father, Kohlberger allegedly returned to the scene of the
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Speaker 1: murders with his phone pinging off a cell tower close
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Speaker 1: to 1122 King Road at 9.12 a.m. Just one hour
31:36
Speaker 1: after that, at around 10.31 a.m., the quadruple homicide suspect
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Speaker 1: was back at his Pullman apartment where he snapped a
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Speaker 1: creepy selfie. And I don't really take too much from
31:46
Speaker 1: the selfies. They don't really mean much to me. People
31:49
Speaker 1: take selfies all the time. And you can't tell if
31:52
Speaker 1: someone's a murderer by how they look. But there's no
31:55
Speaker 1: doubt that if you're somebody who's a PhD student, and
31:59
Speaker 1: a couple hours after some murders that you're suspected of,
32:03
Speaker 1: you take pictures mimicking Ted Bundy, well, people are going
32:07
Speaker 1: to have some questions, my friend. In the photo, the
32:11
Speaker 1: suspected killer posed for the camera with his thumbs up
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Speaker 1: and an eerie smile plastered across his face as he
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Speaker 1: stood in front of the shower. Over another hour passed
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Speaker 1: before the bloodbath was discovered and at 1122 King Road,
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Speaker 1: and the now haunting 911 call was placed just before midday.
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Speaker 1: On December 30, 2022, around six weeks on from the murders,
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Speaker 1: Washington State University student Kohlberger was arrested at his parents'
32:38
Speaker 1: home in Pennsylvania, where he had returned for the holidays. Yeah,
32:43
Speaker 1: guess who didn't enjoy their holidays? The murdered kids and
32:48
Speaker 1: their families. Kohlberger's father, Michael, had traveled to Pullman to
32:53
Speaker 1: make the cross-country road trip with his son earlier in
32:56
Speaker 1: the month. The father and son duo were stopped by
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Speaker 1: police officers twice as they made the days-long journey in
33:04
Speaker 1: the accused killer's white Hyundai Elantra, the same vehicle prosecutors
33:08
Speaker 1: alleged the killer was driving that fateful night. In the
33:12
Speaker 1: two-plus years since his arrest, the Kohlberger family has kept
33:15
Speaker 1: a low profile and and has not spoken out about
33:18
Speaker 1: the allegations against the accused killer.
33:21
Speaker 2: Will you blame them? What should they do? Do the circuit?
33:25
Speaker 1: Go on all the podcasts? Hey, we're Brian Koberger's family.
33:29
Speaker 1: We want to talk about the case. Not a good idea,
33:32
Speaker 1: especially considering that Brian Koberger's ass is facing the death
33:36
Speaker 1: penalty and has a mountain of evidence lined up against him.
33:41
Speaker 1: If you're looking for your loved one to beat the case,
33:44
Speaker 1: probably a good idea to shut up. And that's exactly
33:47
Speaker 1: the strategy that Kohlberger's family has used throughout this whole
33:51
Speaker 1: entire ordeal.
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Speaker 2: They have nothing to say.
33:55
Speaker 1: The only public comments ever made by the family was
33:57
Speaker 1: a statement released immediately after his arrest where they said
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Speaker 1: they care deeply for the four families who have lost
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Speaker 1: their precious children, that they were cooperating fully with the investigation,
34:08
Speaker 1: and that as a family, we love and support our
34:11
Speaker 1: son and brother. Again, what else are you going to say?
34:15
Speaker 1: If you don't say anything, well, you're accused of, you know,
34:18
Speaker 1: defending Kohlberger. If you do say something, you might screw
34:22
Speaker 1: your family member. So just shut up and let the
34:25
Speaker 1: media and people say whatever they're going to say and
34:28
Speaker 1: let justice do what justice is going to do. Prosecutors
34:33
Speaker 1: previously revealed they plan to call some of Kohlberger's family members, father, Michael, mother, Marianne,
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Speaker 1: and two older sisters, Amanda and Melissa, as witnesses for
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Speaker 1: the state. Which family members will testify for the prosecution,
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Speaker 1: and why, remain a closely guarded secret. During a recent
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Speaker 1: court hearing in April, where the defense and prosecution battled
34:56
Speaker 1: it out over the evidence in the case, Kohlberger's lawyers
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Speaker 1: revealed the family continues to support him and has no
35:04
Speaker 1: interest in helping the prosecution in its case. In a
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Speaker 1: surprisingly sympathetic ruling, Judge Stephen Hippler has ruled that Kohlberger's
35:13
Speaker 1: immediate family members can support him inside the courtroom for
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Speaker 1: every day of his high-profile trial, even before they are
35:20
Speaker 1: called to the stand to testify.
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Speaker 2: That's fair.
35:23
Speaker 1: And like I always say, Brian Kohlberger is still innocent.
35:27
Speaker 1: He hasn't been found guilty of anything, so why should
35:30
Speaker 1: his family be barred from going to this trial or
35:33
Speaker 1: from supporting him? That's crazy. New details have also been
35:37
Speaker 1: revealed for the first time about Kohlberger's online activity and
35:41
Speaker 1: behaviors around the time of the murders, including creepy selfies
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Speaker 1: and disturbing porn and serial killer searches. According to Dateline,
35:50
Speaker 1: Kohlberger made several searches around serial killer Ted Bundy, who
35:55
Speaker 1: was put to death for a string of murders, including
35:57
Speaker 1: the killing of female students in a sorority house in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Not nothing to see here. No similarities at all, folks.
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Speaker 2: Come on.
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Speaker 1: Don't be sensationalists. Brian Kohlberger is just a nice guy.
36:09
Speaker 1: There's no similarities to Ted Bundy. Meanwhile, back here in reality.
36:15
Speaker 1: On August 16, 2022, three months before the murders, Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: allegedly googled Ted Bundy and one of his professors including
36:24
Speaker 1: a paper she had written about Bundy. In the days
36:27
Speaker 1: after the murders, Kohlberger on multiple occasions then also allegedly
36:32
Speaker 1: watched shows about.
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Speaker 2: The serial killer.
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Speaker 1: On December 28, 2022, just three days before his arrest,
36:40
Speaker 1: Kohlberger then also allegedly watched a YouTube show named Ted Bundy,
36:45
Speaker 1: Essence of a Psychopath. After watching that, Kohlberger snapped a
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Speaker 1: series of other selfies. These haunting images show the man
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Speaker 1: soon to be charged with brutal, quadruple homicide, dressed in
36:57
Speaker 1: a black hoodie, and staring into the camera. The photo,
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Speaker 1: Dateline reveals, appears to impersonate the hooded image of Bundy
37:05
Speaker 1: on the show he had watched that day. He also
37:08
Speaker 1: searched and listened to the Britney Spears song Criminal. Other
37:12
Speaker 1: online searches after the murders show the suspect was searching
37:15
Speaker 1: the killings as well as his own name, the show reported,
37:19
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what, the more information we get
37:22
Speaker 1: about what went down here or allegedly went down, the
37:26
Speaker 1: harder and harder it becomes for anyone who's defending Brian
37:30
Speaker 1: Kohlberger to be taken seriously. He also had a trove
37:34
Speaker 1: of images of female students from WSU and UI, many
37:38
Speaker 1: of them in bikinis. The images, Dateline reported, appeared to
37:42
Speaker 1: have been taken from social media accounts of students who
37:45
Speaker 1: followed or were friends with either Kernodle, Gonsalves, or Mogan.
37:51
Speaker 1: Sources close to the investigation told Dateline that the intended
37:55
Speaker 1: target of the attack is believed to be Mogan. I've
37:58
Speaker 1: said that now for months and months and months. And
38:01
Speaker 1: the thing that really set me off was how brutally
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Speaker 1: Kaylee was attacked. Whoever the killer is wanted time alone
38:08
Speaker 1: with Mogan. And when they didn't get that time, the
38:11
Speaker 1: person that caused them to lose that time, Kaylee Gonsalves,
38:15
Speaker 1: was the one who suffered greatly. And in my opinion,
38:18
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger, or whoever, is responsible for these murders, was
38:23
Speaker 1: so enraged that he went absolutely bananas and ended up
38:27
Speaker 1: brutalizing Kaylee. And that's because he felt like he was interrupted.
38:31
Speaker 1: He was supposed to have his quote-unquote special time, and
38:35
Speaker 1: that never occurred.
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Speaker 2: So somebody had to pay the price, right?
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Speaker 1: This belief is based on part on the path that
38:43
Speaker 1: the killer allegedly took after entering the three-story home that night.
38:48
Speaker 1: According to sources, the killer went straight up to Mogan's
38:51
Speaker 1: room on the third floor, but he unexpectedly found Gonsalves
38:55
Speaker 1: sharing Mogan's bed. When a noisy struggle broke out, Kernodle,
38:59
Speaker 1: who was downstairs in the kitchen on TikTok, went to
39:03
Speaker 1: investigate and the killer chased her to her room, Dateline reported.
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Speaker 1: The killer stabbed Kernodle to death and then turned to Chapin,
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Speaker 1: who was in her bed, killing him too, and then
39:13
Speaker 1: carving his legs. I don't even know what that means,
39:16
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to speculate, because we just don't know.
39:19
Speaker 1: But boy, that's some fucked up stuff right there. Carving
39:22
Speaker 1: his legs? That's the kind of shit that Nightmare Fuel
39:25
Speaker 1: is made of. After slaughtering the four victims, the killer
39:28
Speaker 1: chillingly sat down in a chair. in Kern Odle's room,
39:31
Speaker 1: Dateline reported. A bloody impression was found on a chair
39:35
Speaker 1: in the 20-year-old's bedroom. Was he sitting down to admire
39:39
Speaker 1: his work? Or was he just gassed? Again, we just
39:42
Speaker 1: don't know. The killer then headed toward the backsliding door
39:46
Speaker 1: of the home, passing Mortensen's bedroom. It was then that
39:50
Speaker 1: she told police she saw the intruder dressed in a
39:53
Speaker 1: mask and all black with only butchy eyebrows visible. Mortensen
39:57
Speaker 1: shut herself in her bedroom before running down to Funk's
40:00
Speaker 1: room on the first floor court record show. The two
40:04
Speaker 1: survivors called and texted their friends but got no response.
40:09
Speaker 1: Hours later, they called friends to the home and they
40:12
Speaker 1: made the shocking discovery that the four victims were dead.
40:17
Speaker 1: It has now emerged that a six-young woman was also
40:20
Speaker 1: supposed to be in the home that night, but a
40:23
Speaker 1: last-minute decision saved her life. Ashlyn Couch mom, Angela Navias,
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Speaker 1: told DailyMail.com that Couch was best friends with Mohan and
40:34
Speaker 1: was the sixth roommate still on the lease at 1122
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Speaker 1: King Road at the time.
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Speaker 2: Of the murders.
40:40
Speaker 1: Talk about catching a break, huh? Not being there that night.
40:44
Speaker 1: All the nonsense that followed, all of the survivor's guilt
40:47
Speaker 1: that I'm sure these girls are suffering from, Just a
40:50
Speaker 1: bad scene all the way around. And completely unnecessary and unneeded, right?
40:56
Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with whoever did this? Whether
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Speaker 1: it's Brian Kohlberger or somebody else. There is no good reason,
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Speaker 1: no motivation, no justification for ever doing anything like this.
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Speaker 1: So the person who's responsible, they deserve the death penalty
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Speaker 1: in my opinion. And I hope the death penalty includes
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Speaker 1: the firing squad. Or if they want to save some money...
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Speaker 1: helicopter ride volcano and like usual i'm more than willing
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Speaker 1: to do the pushing for free maddie and ashlyn both
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Speaker 1: got into pi beta phi and after that they ended
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Speaker 1: up getting into the sorority house together and they shared
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Speaker 1: a very small room together and they just bonded nevaeh
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Speaker 1: says it was like an instant friendship and after that
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Speaker 1: they were inseparable they did yoga together they studied together
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Speaker 1: they would walk to class together that was ashlyn's person
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Speaker 1: her best friend Couch had moved out of the home
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Speaker 1: in the summer of 2022 after graduating early, but she
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Speaker 1: would often return to Moscow to spend weekends with her
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Speaker 1: friends and would stay with Mogan when she did. She
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Speaker 1: had planned to visit that weekend, but her mom was
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Speaker 1: on vacation in Florida, and Hurricane Nicole had hit the
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Speaker 1: Sunshine State, derailing her journey home. Nevaeus asked her daughter
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Speaker 1: to stay at home and look after their dogs, and
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Speaker 1: so the senior canceled her plans to join her friends.
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Speaker 1: The last-minute cancellation may have saved her life. Now, more
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Speaker 1: than two years on from the murders, Kohlberger's trial is
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Speaker 1: finally set to begin this August in Ada County. As
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Speaker 1: well as Mortensen's eyewitness account, the suspect has been tied
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Speaker 1: to the murders through DNA on a K-bar knife sheath
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Speaker 1: left behind by the killer next to Mogan's lifeless body.
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Speaker 1: And I've said before, and I'll say it again, I
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Speaker 1: think that he left that sheath on accident. And that's
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Speaker 1: because he was frazzled by finding Kaylee in the room
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Speaker 1: with Maddie. His plan didn't call for that. So when
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Speaker 1: he was trying to make his escape, he was in
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Speaker 1: such a state that he ended up leaving that sheath.
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Speaker 1: And that's been my theory for quite some time. So
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Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how it all
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Speaker 1: plays out, obviously, at trial and what the prosecution says
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Speaker 1: when they're doing their recreation of these murders. DNA found
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Speaker 1: on the sheath came back to match Kohlberger. The murder
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Speaker 1: weapon itself has never been found. Prosecutors say that Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: Amazon shopping history reveals he bought a K-Bar knife, sheath,
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Speaker 1: and sharpener from Amazon back in March 2022. Following the murders,
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Speaker 1: he then allegedly searched for a replacement. As well as
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Speaker 1: the DNA, evidence, and witness testimony, prosecutors say Kohlberger's white
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Speaker 1: Elantra also matches the car's scene leaving the crime scene
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Speaker 1: at the time of the murders. His cell phone records
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Speaker 1: indicate he may have stalked the King Road home at
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Speaker 1: least a dozen times in the lead-up to the murders,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors say. Kohlberger stood silent at his arraignment in January
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Speaker 1: of 2023. A not guilty plea was entered on his behalf.
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Speaker 1: So look, there's a lot going on still, obviously, up
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Speaker 1: here in Moscow. And any time we have something of note,
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Speaker 1: we'll make sure to get it added to the catalogue.
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Speaker 1: And obviously we've been focusing on Diddy quite a bit
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Speaker 1: the last week or so. And obviously we'll continue to
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Speaker 1: do that. But we're also going to have these updates.
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Speaker 1: As far as what's going on in Moscow. Whenever they
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Speaker 1: become available. Because before you know it. This trial is
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Speaker 1: going to be upon us as well. And we're going
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Speaker 1: to be rocking and rolling up in Moscow. So until
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Speaker 1: that point comes. We'll continue to lay this track. As
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Speaker 1: the train of justice continues racing towards this station. All
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Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
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