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L66 Mayan Lore and Curses with Moises Reynoso · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, this week's live was with one mister
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  Speaker 1: Mois's Reinoso. I met him here in capetch you about
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  Speaker 1: two years ago, and he spoke a little English that
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  Speaker 1: made me feel comfortable, and we just got into what
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  Speaker 1: I was doing as a podcaster, and he had these
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  Speaker 1: incredible stories and insights about you know, Mexican culture and
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  Speaker 1: Mayan lore and things of that nature. And yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I had him on the show and he got into
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  Speaker 1: some things about intention and witchcraft and Alusha's and how
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  Speaker 1: they're created. It's a seven week process. It's pretty incredible stuff.
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  Speaker 1: episode with Moses Reino. So, m.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, dude, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing alright? How are you well?
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  Speaker 2: Hiding from the rain right now? But I'm great.
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  Speaker 1: What part of Mexico are you in?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 3: This is Saltillo Quail, like right under Texas.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing up there? Well?
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  Speaker 2: Do you offer me a job? Do you offer me
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  Speaker 2: a job? Right here?
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  Speaker 3: So it's three months now that I've been living here
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  Speaker 3: and it's great. I mean it's totally different.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been like in the mountains and there's it's
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  Speaker 3: it's it's great. It's it really is. I mean the
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  Speaker 3: weather is total different. I've I've been hiking it's three
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  Speaker 3: times now. I almost died once, but I will keep going.
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  Speaker 3: It's not as easy as it sounds.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, when you get what are you? You're pushing
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  Speaker 1: my thirty five thirty six by now, and now you're
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  Speaker 1: start to feel like I felt when we met each other,
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, okay, this old guy. Okay, now
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna now that the shoes on the other foot.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have a lot of fun with that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's different because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: junk people there.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's like I'm the old man. So uh,
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  Speaker 2: during my best not to die over there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh in the words, uh, do be favorite man. Let
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  Speaker 1: everybody know a little bit about you. Introduce yourself and
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  Speaker 1: you know, tell us you know a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: yourself and what you know, and we'll get into your
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  Speaker 1: knowledge your experiences about Mexican and Mayan culture.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, got it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, my name is my sas as you already said.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thirty six years old on living right now. It's
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  Speaker 3: at Dio Ko Wheela in Mexico. I was living in
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  Speaker 3: Campeche a few months ago. That's where I met tom Uh. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I've grow I grew over Yugatan and Campeche. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of similitudes there in the in the culture, like
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  Speaker 3: with Imagens, but most of the things I've learned it
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  Speaker 3: was in mediva and you got done even so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like almost the same.
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  Speaker 3: So I started reading and starting with a couple of
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  Speaker 3: people that knew a lot of things about a lot
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. And it was really great because we were
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  Speaker 3: because we were reading about I don't know anything, and
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  Speaker 3: and every time there was one person that has a
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  Speaker 3: lot of knowledge about the about what whatever we were
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  Speaker 3: reading about, and they just started throwing all the knowledge
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  Speaker 3: and and I learned a lot. Even though I grew
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  Speaker 3: up there, I never heard or.
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  Speaker 2: Understood like what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know, Maybe we can start with stuff
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  Speaker 3: like when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 3: You can always hear about going into I mean it's
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  Speaker 3: not the woods over there, but like going into the
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  Speaker 3: woods or something like that. And there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it when I was a kid in Medida.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's a big city. But when you listen.
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  Speaker 3: To other people talking about it, you can hear stories
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  Speaker 3: about going into the woods and like someone throwing rocks
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  Speaker 3: to you, or if you were doing something like wrong,
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  Speaker 3: like trying to get like trying to do some fire
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, or throwing your trash or something
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  Speaker 3: like that, there was something throwing rocks at you and
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  Speaker 3: bothering you in the woods and in the dark, and
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  Speaker 3: that there was nothing you can you can see right,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing you can you can see over there. And
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  Speaker 3: you heard a lot of stories like that all the time,
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  Speaker 3: people that about maybe their house whatever, and stuff kept
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  Speaker 3: disappearing or moving from one place to another.
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  Speaker 2: And you you heard.
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  Speaker 3: All the time about this. Uh it's called or they
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  Speaker 3: are called the Alusis.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so you started hearing spoke many times on the show.
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  Speaker 1: And I've had rockstone in me. I've heard voices in
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  Speaker 1: the forest. I've seen uh, blue bluish white balls of
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  Speaker 1: like not balls, but like circles on walls of lights.
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  Speaker 1: And I've heard other stories. Work in construction here about
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  Speaker 1: you know, Marvientos and uh, you know when you go
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  Speaker 1: into caves that you get a cranky your neck. Some
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  Speaker 1: people have fevers. It's pretty wild, man. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to contact you, because you know, you actually
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit more of an inside view on
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  Speaker 1: these things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's like different things. But let's start, for example,
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  Speaker 3: with with the Alusies. There in Imagine culture, there was
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  Speaker 3: this kind of magic. I don't know if you can
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  Speaker 3: call it black magic or white magic or just magic,
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  Speaker 3: but they used to make some rituals to bring stuff
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  Speaker 3: to life. Most of the time it was to take
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  Speaker 3: care of their family or maybe the things growing, like
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  Speaker 3: the trees or whatever they were cultivating at home. Right, So,
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  Speaker 3: for example, these things, the Allusies, they are known now
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  Speaker 3: only for bothering you. Some people started like offering food
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  Speaker 3: or water or even money, and some of them have
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  Speaker 3: been able to control them, maybe just like get them
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  Speaker 3: not to bother that much.
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  Speaker 2: But that's it.
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  Speaker 3: The thing about these things, these beings, is that they
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  Speaker 3: were created to take care of something family, maybe the
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  Speaker 3: house limits or whatever. And this was made with magic
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  Speaker 3: and rituals. This was made for seven nights. It was
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, actually it was seven weeks. It was a
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  Speaker 3: ritual seven weeks Friday nights.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I thought it was seven days, but it's
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  Speaker 1: seven weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It's seven weeks Friday nights. And they used I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's no one that can tell exactly what it.
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  Speaker 2: Was used, but it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Been said that they used food and some i mean
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  Speaker 3: obviously some chantings and also some blood and this being
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  Speaker 3: made of clay. At some point after that those seven weeks,
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  Speaker 3: it just came to life and it started doing what
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  Speaker 3: he was created too. So after that, I mean maybe well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, especially there, well Spanish came and people died, and.
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  Speaker 2: But these beings, this energy kept there, was kept there.
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  Speaker 3: So now they have no no function, They have nothing
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  Speaker 3: to do, but it's still life.
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  Speaker 2: It's still got energy, but it's pointless.
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  Speaker 3: So they are just and the limits that they were
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  Speaker 3: created to be, but no one to take care of.
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  Speaker 2: And they just I don't know how to say, they
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  Speaker 2: got no.
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  Speaker 3: There's no purpose for them now, the proposal, there's no
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  Speaker 3: purpose for them now. So it's there's some people that
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  Speaker 3: says that if you just perform some kind of ritual
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  Speaker 3: to call them and let them know that these people
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  Speaker 3: they were meant to take care of they are no
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  Speaker 3: longer here. That's some way that these centers just can
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  Speaker 3: just go back to whatever from it came from. Right
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  Speaker 3: and just like this, for example, what you said about
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  Speaker 3: hearing things or seeing things, I mean, there's a difference
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  Speaker 3: between the created, like the allusis, and like the likes
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  Speaker 3: or of stuff like that, because I believe, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I've read about it, and I believe that there's natural energies,
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  Speaker 3: natural beings that haven't been created by anyone. They are
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  Speaker 3: just there, like from the woods, from the mountain, from.
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  Speaker 1: The water, element or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Like elemental idea, something like that. So I think even
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  Speaker 3: it can even like combine if if you're at the
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  Speaker 3: right place, maybe you get this. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: we can call it good luck or bad luck, to
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  Speaker 3: be where all of them are combined and you can
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  Speaker 3: see stuff and also receive this bad behavior from these
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  Speaker 3: beings living around. And basically this imagine magic was like
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  Speaker 3: kind of the same. You know, they always used seven weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It was most of the time Friday night, Friday nights,
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  Speaker 3: because they used the power of the moon. Most of
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  Speaker 3: the rituals got blood involved because that's what they what
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  Speaker 3: they provided. I mean, it's it's life. So they provided blood,
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  Speaker 3: so so these things could could.
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  Speaker 2: Become to life. You know.
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  Speaker 3: There's another story around. Uh, it's about the black dogs.
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  Speaker 3: It's basically basically the same thing people used to and
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  Speaker 3: it's and they are not that bad that way.
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  Speaker 2: Back, you know. It's it's not that way back.
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  Speaker 3: People used to create this uh dog shaped clay thing
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  Speaker 3: and performed the same uh this this the same thing, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the figure and performed the same thing like seven weeks
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  Speaker 3: Friday night, and they just buried it like in a
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  Speaker 3: corner of your of your home, and people claim to
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  Speaker 3: to be just walking there and there are actual black
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  Speaker 3: dogs barking at you and keeping you away from the property.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's been like like really powerful.
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  Speaker 3: And what I've been reading and learning about it is
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  Speaker 3: that because there's something really powerful that's been used through.
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  Speaker 2: Through time about magic, and it's the intention.
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  Speaker 1: Being conjured with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It's always about the intention.
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  Speaker 3: So so when you start reading and learning about magic,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, in general magic, you can always find that
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  Speaker 3: it's all about the intention. With big I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: can call it bit things like creating life, like the
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  Speaker 3: illusions or the black Dogs and also other small things
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  Speaker 3: like for example, like it's I mean translated is like healers,
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  Speaker 3: but in Spanish they are called kurandas it's some.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, it's kind of like a witch doctor.
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  Speaker 3: Some kind of like a witch doctor, a white witch, uh,
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  Speaker 3: a nature witch or something like that. They use plants
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  Speaker 3: and roots and water and and and they perform some
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  Speaker 3: kind of of rituals at night and a day, and
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of information about it.
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  Speaker 2: But everything they do it's based on the.
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  Speaker 3: Intention, right right, and and I mean you can understand
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  Speaker 3: or get to understand how powerful intention is about everything because.
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  Speaker 2: They talk to you when when they made like for example,
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  Speaker 2: I remember now.
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  Speaker 3: She gave me one of one of the of them
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  Speaker 3: gave me I really don't remember what was it, but
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  Speaker 3: it was something made of plans that I needed to
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  Speaker 3: take for something that was going on at that moment.
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  Speaker 3: And she was giving it to me and she stopped
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  Speaker 3: and she told me, now you need to pay for it.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean, it doesn't matter how much, but you
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  Speaker 3: need to pay for it. And I was like, what's
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  Speaker 3: the difference, right, Like, okay, how much it doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 3: you need to pay for it because if you don't
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  Speaker 3: pay for it, You're not going to value it enough
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  Speaker 3: and it's not going to work. So you need to
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  Speaker 3: get into and effort on it, to believe in it
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  Speaker 3: so it can start working on you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think people understand how big witchcraft is
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  Speaker 1: down in this part of the world and in the Yucatan.
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  Speaker 1: I was recently. I went to, Uh, it's called Mamula.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a ruin close to COMPETI away, no,
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  Speaker 1: not kind of like mood. There's hump and then there's that,
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  Speaker 1: then it's up that. It's yeah, and there's a There
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  Speaker 1: was an old church up there we want to and
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  Speaker 1: there was actually, I believe, because I'm not an anthropologist,
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  Speaker 1: actually human bones in the floor that you can see
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  Speaker 1: underneath the altar and then on the wall. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: videotape it. On the way out, I seen an upside
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  Speaker 1: down pentagram. That was the first time that I've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen a sign of witchcraft here, and I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get up out of here. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a big thing down in this part of the world,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it for people in the North or in you know,
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  Speaker 1: in Europe or words listening to this, which there's a
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  Speaker 1: huge part of the culture utter, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes it is?
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  Speaker 3: And and actually I mean there it is. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: but there's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: That thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's like an easy thing to do and that you
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  Speaker 3: can now watch TikTok or YouTube and start performing some
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  Speaker 3: kind of ritual by yourself, like just getting.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever exists, I know. And there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of people playing with that, you know, And I'm
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  Speaker 3: pretty sure that's the reason there's a lot of bad
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  Speaker 3: stuff going on, right, yeah, man. And just like that
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  Speaker 3: place you visited, there's a lot of places. There's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of places around a bit and Katan where you
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  Speaker 3: can go and you can find stuff like like those
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  Speaker 3: you said you saw it right, human bowt s and
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  Speaker 3: chicken feathers and animal blot and I don't know a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people you can never know if it was
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  Speaker 3: something with knowledge or not, but definitely there was someone
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  Speaker 3: playing there with stuff maybe they don't really know about.
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  Speaker 2: And the.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, and that's as you said, in imagine culture, it
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  Speaker 3: was something day to day. For example, there's a something
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  Speaker 3: like misunderstood like what history tried to told us about
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  Speaker 3: the imagines about they having a lot of gods, like
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  Speaker 3: they having the God of the rain, and the god
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  Speaker 3: and the God of the fire, and the God.
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  Speaker 2: Of the sun and the moon. But there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a misunderstanding there when they translate it
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  Speaker 3: the it's it's like the Sacred Major Book, the only
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  Speaker 3: thing we got left from them, And when it was translated,
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  Speaker 3: they translated it like they were worshiping gods, when it
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  Speaker 3: was actually like they were thinking the energies because they
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  Speaker 3: believed in energy.
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  Speaker 2: So if I was going to get my.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the corn, if I was getting some corn
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  Speaker 3: grown at my garden, I was going to ask and
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  Speaker 3: think the sun and the rain and the moon also
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  Speaker 3: because they believe in in in moon season to plant
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  Speaker 3: the seeds. But they were using thinking and using the
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  Speaker 3: energies of everything they believe got power over whatever they
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  Speaker 3: were trying to do. It was not like worshiping gods.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a misunderstanding about it. And when you started
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  Speaker 3: thinking about like this other way, you start comprehending that
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  Speaker 3: they used all this energy to whatever they were trying
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  Speaker 3: to do day by day. So right now when you
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  Speaker 3: go and try to learn and understand about these days
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  Speaker 3: witchcraft like gurandetas and and there's a name for them
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  Speaker 3: for the males also, the ba the witchcraft. It's used
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  Speaker 3: right now. They leave day by day using and thinking
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  Speaker 3: the energies. And it sounds also kind of dumb because
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  Speaker 3: when I was trying to understand this, this witch told
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  Speaker 3: me once that every step we take, everything we do,
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  Speaker 3: it needs to be you need to thank for that
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  Speaker 3: and you need to intend whatever you are trying to do.
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  Speaker 3: And I was trying to understand because it sounded dumb,
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  Speaker 3: but she told me it. Yeah, man, because because she
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  Speaker 3: told me, just just listen. She told me, you you
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  Speaker 3: just woke up and you're you just open your eyes,
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  Speaker 3: and what is it that you do?
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  Speaker 2: First we grab the phone, we started scrolling.
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  Speaker 3: You just go into Facebook and you start reading your
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  Speaker 3: messages and suddenly you're just up and you've got a
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  Speaker 3: shower whatever. So she told me the way they are
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  Speaker 3: learning to live is like the first thing to do
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  Speaker 3: when you.
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  Speaker 2: Open your eyes is well to be grateful.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not like with God or with a god
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  Speaker 3: or with any specific god, because they believe in that
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  Speaker 3: energy so or in those energies.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like it doesn't matter who Now I'm awake
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  Speaker 2: and it's a new day, and thank you. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter who.
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  Speaker 3: And that's that's the part where I tell you it
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  Speaker 3: started sound dumb for me, but it's because it's not
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  Speaker 3: easy too. And then she told me, you just okay,
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  Speaker 3: you're up and you're going to take a shower. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter if it's you're at home, at a hotel
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: or whatever or whatever. You need to be under that water,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: intending that water falling on your body to clean your
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: body and your thoughts and your energy. So you need
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: to be intending your shower. And then when you're going
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: to get your first glass of water, you need to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: intend it to go into your body and provide you
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: with those minerals the body needs and to stay there
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: and then when it goes off your body, to take
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: away everything you don't need. I don't know if I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: making myself like, you need to do this with everything,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and that's what they do. They started eating and they
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: just thank for that fool, and they intended to go
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: in and provide you with everything you need.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And they do this with everything. And I was like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know about it, but it's true.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not an easy it's not an easy
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: thing to do, but I started doing it sometimes because
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: you can't forget about it. As easy as it sounds
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: to start doing it, and suddenly you have been two
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: three days a week and you just stop doing it. Right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: But it's true, and you can start feeling a change
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: in almost everything you do. But that's the point of
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: what we were talking about in the beginning, the intention
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: of whatever you are doing, because we cannot. Maybe it's
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: not the food, maybe it's not the moon or the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: sun or the weather, but it's that now that water
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: going into you, it's now you have intendity and you're
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: thinking that it's going in and it's going to help
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you with something, and it's going to provide you with
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: me and the el.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And it goes back to.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: The the main thought, the main thinking that it's what
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I believe about the power of the brain.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So I think speak.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think we can do a lot
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: of things that we just don't do or that we're
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: unaware of, or that we're more powerful than we think
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: we are. And it's we're going back to the attention thing.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I was trying to like rationalize why someone would spray
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: pay an upside down pentagram on the wall. Now, people
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: don't understand how poor on average people here in the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yucatan are. They're not just going to go out and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: buy a can of spray paint. That's extremely expensive for
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: people down here who are living hand to mouth. So
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: so for someone to do that was an awful lot
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of attention to do that. It's in the middle of nowhere,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and it's off the beaten path. For someone to do that,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that is not like, oh, they just happen to have
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: spray paint with them, they went and bought spray paint,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: or it's not just a thing that you just do
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to do because it's funny. To do that was intentionally
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of sad because there's a lot
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: of people that we we just said, there's a lot
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of people like playing with that with things they don't
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: understand because there's sadly a lot of people taking advantage
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: and scamming people that had those kind of needs. You know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: because most of the time people that tries to fix
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: whatever they think it's wrong on their life with magic
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: or witchcraft, it's because they're desperate. It's desperate people, so
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: they go to whoever they heard about it's a good
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: magician or whatever. And there's a lot of people scamming
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: those kind of people that charge you a lot of
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: money and they just give you a list with stuff
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: that you need to buy and do. And that's what
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I meant when I told you that there's a lot
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: of people playing with that without knowing anything about it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: But someone just charge them some money and gave them
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: a list and told them you need to buy this
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: and do this whatever in that place. And it's kind
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: of kind of sad if you think about it, because
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it's people getting advantage of desperate people that actually got
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: troubles or yes whatever, you know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Like we're most religious people will find their way into
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: their into the church or the congregation and go and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: ask and pray for forgiveness that a lot of people
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: now are like if they're not Christian, they're like they're
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: looking for some type of power or influence in other
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: directions and other places. And if you go into something
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: like magic, if you go into magic, it's gonna it's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you and you don't know what you're doing. You're gonna
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: have a lot of issues.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, it can, it can happen. Uh.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: And and that's I mean because most of them, like
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you said, they go into whatever religious religion they find,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: and well, most of the time it's sad. You need
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: to go and pray and assist to the meetings and whatever,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: but that's not fixing my issue. So I need to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: go into something, into something harder, into something more powerful,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: something deeper. And that's where they just jump into.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: The mess up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's quite crazy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: You do see a lot of that. I mean, if
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you're going to do it, you need to study for
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a long time and you definitely become in and write intentions.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I've had people come up to me and they were like, hey,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I can do this for you, and I'm like, no,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I'm good man. I I don't know anything about that stuff.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It's too much for me and I'm going to be
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: just fine where I am. So let's let's turn the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: conversation to some of your personal I would you say
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: some of the things that you've witnessed or experienced in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: your life that just just just scared the hell out
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of you or made you realize something. Because I remember
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: having you on like two years ago in the old
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: show and even back then. I was like, what, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: know a little bit more about some of these things now,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: but I don't think the audience, especially the new audience,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: has heard it yet. So do me a favor, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: let's get into some of that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, got it?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Well, starting with this because we were talking about it,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: starting with this, because we are talking about it about
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: not knowing what you're doing or what you are getting into.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I remember this time a few years ago where there
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: was like this meeting with actually these people I was.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I was starting and learning and doing conversations every year
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: from time to time, and there was this like planet
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: show where each of us were going to perform whatever
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: we were doing. And in that time, I was into
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: like chiropractor. I don't know how to it's chiropractice, right,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: So I.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Was practice maybe chiropractice, okay.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Care practice, Okay, got it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: So I was into that, and and I was going
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to like to set my table and start like showing
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: off whatever, and each of us was going to do
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: that with whatever we were learning about. Right, So that
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: day I showed off late, and I didn't knew at
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: that time that before they started the same witch I
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: told you about that is the one that teach me
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, different stuff. She performed some like
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: protection for all of all of the people there, write
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: some protection ritual because we were going to exchange energies and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of things, right, so there was a protection made.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: But I showed up after that. So I just went in.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I started showing off and I started like I went
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: with this one and the other one. And there was
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: one lady that was learning about the cards. Okay, got it.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: So she was learning about it and she was showing
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: off with that, so.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: She invited me. I mean I refused at the beginning.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: I kept going and everything, but there was a point
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: in the night she was alone. Nobody was like coming
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: to her. Now I think I know why. But I
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: sat there and I said, okay, that's let's get going
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: right And it was really fast because that mhm, that
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: thing the tarry is something like you need to be
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: really specific. I think it can work. I mean I
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: don't believe that much on it, but I know there
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: are energy and things and entities and whatever that can
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: help you to do stuff that maybe well it doesn't matter.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So you need to be really specific about what you
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: are looking for.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: So you need to do.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Ask questions and start digging into whatever you're looking for,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: because the answers you receive are brief, right, and if
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: you need, like the question for a specific problem, you
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: need to be really specific. So I just sat there
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: and she told me to ask something about anything going
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: on my mind. I just asked about my future. She
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: told me like a whole non specific things like you
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: need to take care of.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Your health and yourself.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: And blah blah blah blahlah any other question.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Nope, Okay, thank you, thank you, And that was it. Wow.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: So we kept going whatever, and that same night, I
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: remember we ended like around noon, like around twelve, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I went home.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So I was home.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I got home, I got my dinner, and I took
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: a shower and went to bed. That night, I was
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: trying to sleep, but I wasn't able to.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I was like rolling and rolling and rolling in.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: But I was refusing to wake up because there was
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: something I needed to do the next day, so I
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: needed to go to bed right. But there was some point,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much time it passed, So there
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: was a point of the night when I just said, Okay,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: this can't be happening, and I got my Okay, I
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: forget I told you that. I All that time, I
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: was like with the sheets over my face and I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: was rolling and everything, but the sheet always over my face.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: So when I said, I know, I need to go
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: to the bedroom or have some water or whatever so
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I could try to go to sleep, I just got
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the sheets down my face and there was this black figure,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: human shape figure like I mean, I was laid on
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: the bed, you know, and this figure was like sitting
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: on the bed like on my feet looking.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Forward.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: So I was like looking to the back of his head, right,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: but it was I mean, it was a human figure, right,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: but it was all black.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: It was like a shape.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: And with the little knowledge I got, it was like, no,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I just got the shits over my head again, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I need to go to sleep.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I need to sleep and sleep and sleep, and I
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: I got to sleep in some point that night. At
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: the next morning, I went to talk to the witch
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and I told her what happened, and she was like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: no way, I performed this like protection. And that's where
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: I told her, right, I was late, maybe it was
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: before I arrived, and she told me that it could
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: happen that night.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Also, it was how do you said that it was
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: an it's an equinox, equinox equinox, that's right. So it
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: was a very part powerful night. Okay, energy speaking right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: So she.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Gave me some water and she was talking to me,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: and all this time it's it's like if you think
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: about it's something like I think it's beautiful man, Because
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: all the time we were talking, she was we go
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: back to the intention she was talking to me, but
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: she was intending to help me out with this year
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I was having. So she was looking at me, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: she looked at me from fit to head, and she
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: was just like doing some stuff. After we ended talking,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: she told me not to worry about it. She performed
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: some kind of ritual while we were talking, and now
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I was protected, right, And she told me, also, let
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: this be like some kind of general knowledge that it
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what kind of beings we can get to see.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: The thing if we don't have enough knowledge to deal
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: with them is.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Just not to go on with that, not to call them,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: not to ask what is it you want? Why are
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: you here? I mean, I don't care what you are
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: or why you're here. I'm just going to bed. And
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: because it's like an invitation. If we start talking to them,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: if we start asking questions, it's like an invitation. So
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: if it's just there and we start opening that door,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: it can go really wrong. So it was like that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Which is why you should never never play around with
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a weedi board, because you do not know what's on
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the other side of that door. I don't even get
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: close to them.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: That's a really bad idea. Yeah, that's one of those
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: things that I don't want to try never. So I
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: respect whoever wanted to play with that, and but no,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: not not me.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: So it was something like like m hm, talking about this.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Playing with with energies and magic without knowing what you.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: What?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: What's with that? Right?
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Because it was something so innocent, like just sitting with
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: someone to get some card reading. It was three or
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: four minutes, you know, that went into something that I
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: don't know, but it could maybe went off really wrong,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you know, right, right, So playing with this, I mean,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: it's it's something that needs to be that you need
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: to think, it needs to be avoided. Yeah, and maybe
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: something else. I think we talked about it last time.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Another experience that I never knew why or how or
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: what happened.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: But it was pretty weird.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: And I really talk about it because it gives me
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: the chills.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: But we we talked about that dream, you remember, I was.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Kind of hoping you get into it. But I want
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: to be honest with you. You're in a good place here, dude.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I got good story about it. I know how dramatic
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: it was for you or traumatic better said, and uh,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: just you know, whatever it is that you want to share,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: go ahead and share it. If you don't want to,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: it's also fine. But since you brought it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Up, yeah, I mean, it gives me.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: It still gives me the chills, but it's it's not
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: like that bad right now.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Were living with people in the here know Sarah. You
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: were living with Sarah at the time too.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah we were.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: And also I think that right now, I don't know,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: maybe I could react like different.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Maybe I would be double scared. I don't know, but
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: it was I'm just hoping. I'm just hoping it never
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: happens again, because it was something.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: It really was something.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: So I'm just going to start with it was there
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: was I think there was nothing that night like the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: other night. It was just any other night that I
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: went to bed and I was just sleeping and I
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: started having this weird dream since the beginning, because it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: those kind of dreams that you actually know you're in
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a dream and you are realizing you're into a dream,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: but you are just going with the flow. So I
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: was laying on bed into that dream. As I remember,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I was into this room with my family. I remember
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: one of my brothers being on my side, maybe one
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: of my cousins at the other side, just like looking
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: at the ceiling, and there was this an important part.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I was laying at the bed like like like this,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: and just in front of me on the wall in
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: front of me, there was this window, this like like window,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: but it was I don't know how.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: To say it. It was the like like think like.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: It was really really thin but large window, not like
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: it was long and really thin. Yeah, yeah, it was
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: like it wasn't like like any other window, was like a.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Thin and really long window. Right. So it was right
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: in front of me and I was looking.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You could see I remember I could see like like
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: the sky and the morning whatever.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: It wasn't night.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: On into that dream, so I started hearing my my
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: older brother and my mother, like talking one to each other,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: or more like like yelling one to each other, like
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: if they were on separate rooms and they were like
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: yelling one to each.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Other, So they were yelling at each other. It seemed
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: like they were yelling at each other from separate rooms.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That's what you could hear.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: That's right, because I could hear like my brother's voice
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: from one side and like my mother's voice from other side,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: like like yelling.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Even I mean, it wasn't even like fighting.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: They were just saying stuff, yelling from one place to other,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: funny stuff.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It's something pretty common in my family.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not going where you are to tell you,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I'm going to jell it for you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: So i want every family, every family in Mexico. That's just.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Now you know. Now you know as a woman.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Has a woman with a scratchy voice, Like there's a
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: woman with a scratchy voice that yells. It's like the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: mother always yelling at somebody. I'm like, what are you yelling?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Nice to love you baby, you have a nice day.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: It's like, why are you?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really funny because because they are yelling, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: maybe you don't know who she's yelling to, but we recognize.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can recognize when it's to me, so
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if she didn't mention my name. I
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: know it's for me, and it's and it happens in
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: every Mexican family. Yeah, it's Mexican culture, that's right.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: So I was laying on the bed.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Watching, I mean, looking at at.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: That wall, that window, and.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Suddenly there was this window again and I started seeing
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: something going in through the window. The thing is that
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: again it was a breathing window. So something started going in.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Mhm. It was like like an.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Arm maybe first and then outside. Yeah, from the outside
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: of the room. I mean from the outside of the house.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: It was going into the house. So it was like
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: one one arm first and maybe one leg. The thing
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: is that I realized suddenly that it was some kind
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: of being or entity. It was totally black, like like shadow,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: like a shadow, and it has this big face. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: mean no, it was nothing on the face, but two
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: white big eyes all over the large face. There's also
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: an image that I saw about that movie. I don't
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: remember the movie now, but maybe I can't be in it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: After into the video, so it was this being like
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: with long arms and long legs.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: It was not walking.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It was like crawling with hands and with arms and
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: and legs because there were no hands and this big face.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: And I realized when when that thing went into the room,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: that that thing was the one speaking with my brother's
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: boys yelling to my mother at the other room, because
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: when it wasn't in front of me, I could see
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: I could see that thing using my brother's voice and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: yelling to my mother, answering whatever she was saying. So
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: this thing went into the room and starting like avoiding
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: because I remember there were a lot of beds, so
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: maybe it was a lot of people in there, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: this thing was like avoiding the beds, like trying not
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: to walk nobody, just like being careful.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And I was near the door, and when.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: This thing was passing through me, I mean in front
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: of me, I think intentionally or I don't know, but
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I I.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Asked like, what are you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: And why are you are using my brother's voice. Maybe
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: I'm lying to you. I really don't remember what my
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: question was, but I asked something like what the hell
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: you know, what's going on? And this thing turned to me.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: He was looking at me, and that's when the hardest
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: part began, because.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: This thing, even though it was a big creature or
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: entity or whatever. It started like thinning its arm or
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: whatever it was there and started reaching to me. And
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: I remember that like both arms going near to me,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: to my face, and one of them like grabbing my
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: head and the other one trying to get into me,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: like through my like through my mouth. So that's the
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: point where I started trying to scream. And there's this
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: bizarre image image where I can remember seeing my dream
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: on like on this side and this thing trying to
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: get into me, and I was trying to scream, and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: at the same time, I was looking at my couple
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: at that time, she was lying lying next to me
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: in the bed and she was grabbing me, I don't know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: maybe from my t shirt or my shoulders or whatever,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: and she was shaking me, but I couldn't hear her.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I could see her mouth like streaming to me, like
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: trying to wake me up, and at the same time
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: I could still see the other thing trying to get
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: into my mouth, and I wasn't able to react or
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: scream or whatever. And suddenly, like I just walked and
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I was screaming, and I was sweating, and I was
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: shaking and now the dream image went off, and now
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: I was at my room and my couple was my
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: partner was really scared and asking questions what happened, what
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: was going on, whatever, And I couldn't even speak because
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: I was scared as hell. I was shaking and I
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: just wanted to to check the room. And I don't know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: it was like adrenaline or maybe something like that. And
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: it's something that I tried to explain and try to
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: talk about with people around that had that kind of
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: knowledge of in the witch and other witches and other
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: In Spanish they are called the male The male witch
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: and sort of healers are called chaman, I know shaman
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: in English. So I've talked about it, trying to understand
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: what was going on, and there was a lot.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Of different things they said to me. I mean, starting with.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe you saw something and your brain was like really
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: active and you started creating this stuff. There was other
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: there were other people saying that that's something that happens,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: something real, and maybe some kind of entity trying to
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: get into me or just passing. But I just reacted,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: That's what we were talking about before, not reacting to
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: So I reacted.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: And it just went or trying to get into me
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Maybe it's there and it's hiding somewhere. But
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: nobody could tell me, like really what happened. They just
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: told me like like it's a good thing. Nothing else happened.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: You could walk up and you're here and.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Whatever. But there's no I couldn't get the explanation I
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: was looking for about what was that, what happened or why?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: But it was a really creepy experience.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: One place when I first met Sarah that you were
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: living kind of near son Raman that house.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it happened there. And there's something funny about
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: about that place because I don't know if you remember
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: or if you talk about it, but uh, Sarah used
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: to Sarah used to talk a lot about things happening
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: to her in that house also, like a lot of
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: box like cockroaches and box and scorpions and a lot
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: of things going on around her. But but inside the
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: same house. I mean we were in separate room, but
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: it was the same house. So we thought, or we
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: we talk about it, and we thought that maybe there
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: was something going on with that house. It was one
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: It was actually one of the reasons a lot of
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of reasons that we decided to move out
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: from there on the hill. Yeah, but but I mean
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I couldn't get an explanation, but it could be it
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: could be something going on in that house. It was
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: an old house. We never knew who was leaving there before.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's also some dangerous, dangerous stuff, you know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: just getting to live in somewhere.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: You don't know what was happening before.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Every place that you move into. I mean, you can
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: move on to land here and run into a Lucia's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: or or could you have before you get about it here?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I want to know you're like, because I always kind
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of beat around the bush and say what I know
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: about it, but I would like to get it directly
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: from a person who was born here the culture. Could
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: you tell me what is the issue of what is?
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: What is? Could you tell me the story behind that
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: before before you leave?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't know much about it. I never
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: got deep into it. But there's this story. It's from Jucatana. Actually,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: there's this story of this woman.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: That passed away. Ah.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Actually there's a couple of different versions of what happened.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: But the thing is that there was like something like
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: a love triangle there and the boyfriend or husband or
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: her beloved one was the one involved in her death.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: There are different versions, but that's basically it. She died,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: she suicide, She suicided, She.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Hanged from a tree. She hung herself from a tree. Yeah, okay.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: So the thing is that.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Don worry about it. It's kind of I think I
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: covered it up and uh in accident.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: We're good.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: We're good. Everyone knows what we came.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of boards I tried to avoid, but
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I've never thought about that.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Great, everyone's loving you. The chat people are really if
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: you can see the chat, I know I don't think
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: so far away from your phone, but people are saying
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: this is an incredible interview and they're just they're really
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: enjoying it. Yes, you're being humble. Okay, fair enough, thank you.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Whenever you want. I can come back.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, we can also create our own show. People,
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: We can also create our own show. Okay, So well,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: after what.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I said that I shouldn't.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: The thing is that these woman is said to be seen.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: It's not the woods, but like kind of the woods
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: over it's it's like the jungle, right, It's not woods.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: It's like the jungle, right, and you got a pitch
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: is more more like the jungle. It's not the wood,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: but but you can go sometimes.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: And it's most seen by hunters and and and people
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: like getting into the jungle like trying to hunting, fishing, camping, whatever.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: But it's also been seen like on the highways or
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: even people claim to saw her any time, like like.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Outside their houses or whatever. But it seems I mean,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: it's said that it's a very beautiful woman and her
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: power is to be enchanting men.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you see her, she starts like flirting
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: on you and calling you. I don't know if if
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: we can explain it, but there's this this clothes that
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: that woman used to wear, a jukatan they peelish. It's
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: like kind of a dress, but not like body shaped.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: It's just like a like.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Flat and white.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the white dresses, that's right, but but the flowers
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: over it, it's like something new. They used to be
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: just white and flat. So people that claim to sew her,
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: they say, it's a really beautiful woman with a really
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: like spectacular body that you can see through her dress.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, and she's like.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: So she's wearing a traditional She's wearing a traditional Mayan dress.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: That's correct, okay, and it's kind of I mean, it's white,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: but they say you can like kind of see through
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: the dress so you can actually see her body, okay.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: And she's like always like playing with her her or
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: coming her or something like that. And she starts start
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: calling you and.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Flirting with you.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: And I mean, obviously no one can can talk about
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: what happens when you go with her. But the thing
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: is that now that you said, I cannot say that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: BOARD don't know how to say it. But the thing is.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: That she herself, okay.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: So the thing is that there were men found in
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the jungle like hunging from a tree, okay, with no explanation.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: And that's what she supposedly do when she called you
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: and and and and and got you into her and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: into the jungle. That's the way she will finish it
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: with with the life of the person that that follows her.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: And she also, as far as I know, likes to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: talk to like.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: The like drunk like drunk.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Drunks man and offered them like beer and offer them
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: to do certain things to follow her. And the next thing, you.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Know, by yeah, and also there's this.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: There's this funny thing I'm kind of remembering now that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: it's like on a specific tree.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: It's a specific tree that.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: It's like old spiky album.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Uh damn, I don't know, there's many spiky trees. So yeah, specific.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Did you walk through the if you walk through the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: if you walk through the jungle heir without a without
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: a comb, you will get your hair brushed.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: It's it's a uh, it's called it's saber tree, a tree.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: And this this was actually like a sacred kind of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: sacred tree to the Mayans because it's something that only
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: grows right there in the jungle.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: And you got done.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if also in in Campeche, but we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: need to remember that you got done was all the
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was all your time, right, so semantics right.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: But it's on the area. It only grows on the area,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: and uh, it's on this specific tree.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: That's really spiky.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: So there's this thing about this tree because you know
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: the story of this tab it's like a love story,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: you know, So it's the woman and her beloved one,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of different stories of what happened.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: So it's this tree that if you told it.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: If you I don't know, if you pass through and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: you get spiked or something. Whatever it started, it starts
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: like a rush over your body, over your skin.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: And there's this.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: We're talking about. What's it called, what's the what's the
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Mayon word for it? Again? There's uh uh. There's a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: red one that takes the rash off, and then there's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: the black.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: One, and there's the other one that's right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And what do they call those trees? Man, it's important.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: The first one is the saber and the other one
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: is let me search for into one second.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: In English, it's called the black. It's called the black.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: It's called the black, oh man. They have it in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Florida too. It's the black poison wood, the black poison wood.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: But in Spanish it's uh. In Mayan it's called the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: my god. I can't believe. I can't think of it.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Chi chin chickachich is the bad one and Chika is
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: the good one. Frash guy. It will put you if
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you're if you're sensitive to things like that, it will
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: put you in the hospital after two weeks. It will
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: knock you, it'll tear you up. It's you take poison.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Sumac poison, ivy and poison. Put those together and then
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: you'll get the chichen or or the black poison wood.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: But the thing is that they're always supposed to be together.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's one here and there's always the other one.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: They grow together, and that's that's something amazing, that's so cool.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the changechin, But I do have a ton of chuck,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: a bunch of the red ones, and when it rains
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and it gets real windy, they break very easily because
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: they're not a very strong tree.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe that happened to the other ones also because
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to always be growing together.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: You got lucky.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Let's let's just say you got lucky.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: And I mean that's basically the story of of Uh
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: of the Stabbi.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of different versions of the way she
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: passed away, and the reason that basically what happens now
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: when you see her is that she started like enchanting
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: you and trench you stes.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: We have stories of that too in the in the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountains where that's yeah, Apation Mountain are also very
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: such an old mountain range, and there are stories of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: like children being called into the wood by woods, by
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: witches and they disappear. It's very common and also very
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: large birds and they show up. Be careful, dude, Sirens
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: of the Seas. Thank you, coffee staying mug, Welcome to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the show. I never seen you here before. Please hope
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I get your subscription today. Uh, it's been incredible, man.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Your English has gotten a little better, man, and my
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Spanish has gotten a hell of a lot better. Trust me.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure about it. I'm pretty sure about it.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: And there's there's actually another story that maybe we can
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: talk about other day right here, because I'm starting to
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: learn about Cordela history, and there's one that I really
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: like that it's called.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: That is the Gate to.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Hill and the Eye of the Demon or something like that,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: and it's briefly like a story of there's a cave
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: over here somewhere that is used for reatuals.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: With very powerful people. So maybe we can talk about
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: it then.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we can talk about the Zona de Silencia.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know much about it yet. Look up,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: It's close to where you are.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: If you're I know, I've heard about it that happen.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look into it, dude, and it's been dude, it's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: been so long since we caught up. You were running
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: a little late, so I literally started the show and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: as the show is running, you popped up and I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: was like, you could see me in the green room.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like it, We're good. We're good. It's good catch up.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: It's good seeing that you're doing well.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a little better. I'm starting to be a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: a tutor in English, so that's starting to work for
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: me and great. Yeah, dude, yeah, it's just uh, life
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: has been fine. I'm getting, you know, good support on
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the show. I'm getting amazing guests like yourself and others,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, we'll do it again sometime. We'll we'll
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: figure out something. We'll write down a little situation and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: what we want to talk about that will we get
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: a little more knowledgeable on it and teach people who
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: have never never been to Mexico, who don't know much
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: about the culture, about the the oddities, the the the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: combination of Catholicism and death is weird for me, like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: towns like pomoch and Uh. I went to my first
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Mexican cemetery the other day and there's no data. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: some concrete there.
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  Speaker 2: And I.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be I'll be learning some more stuff around here,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sure i'll have a lot of more information
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  Speaker 3: for you all next time.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, thank you so much much for coming on.
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  Speaker 1: And uh and uh we'll stay in touch, okay, buddy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes for sure, Baby, we can't catch up after that.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for inviting me.
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  Speaker 1: Waiting, Yeah, waiting in the green room. Yeah, wait in
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  Speaker 1: the green room if you'd like. If not, you're busy,
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  Speaker 2: No, No, it's not that.
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  Speaker 3: I will. I'm waiting for the I'm waiting for the
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  Speaker 3: right one. I'm waiting for the right one. But I will,
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  Speaker 3: I really will.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the I we are aware. I love you
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  Speaker 1: all and have a wonderful must