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NFL Week 9 Reactions & Mid-Season Awards ! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Want Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to another episode, episode
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  Speaker 1: number one thirty five of the so called sports Tantelists. Josh,
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  Speaker 1: how you doing.
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  Speaker 2: Recovering? I guess not doing too great. It was a
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  Speaker 2: rough Sunday, just as a whole. Yeah, Spurs and Chiefs,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we're here on a Monday, tired as yo,
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  Speaker 2: but we're doing this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Wait, the Spurs are five and one, right, yep,
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  Speaker 1: five and one, same as the Bulls. You know, Bulls
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  Speaker 1: and Spurs. They're going to have the exact same Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know they can't steal our thunder literally, but I don't.
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  Speaker 1: The Bulls and Spurs play next Saturday. No, next, next Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get into this. NFL we nine reactions.
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  Speaker 1: So first game we're gonna stide with Sally this morning
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  Speaker 1: night football game. Arizona Cardinals upset the Dallas Cowboys. They
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  Speaker 1: win twenty seven to seventeen and a very surprising loss
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  Speaker 1: right here, Josh, anything from this game right here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a complete utter disaster by Dallas Cowboys on
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  Speaker 2: both sides. Like I think both sides played absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I will say the defense looked better than usual,
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  Speaker 2: like which was weird.
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  Speaker 1: We got tho.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even though they they got work like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of third and longs and then a couple fourth down conversions,
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  Speaker 2: like they weren't able to stop the Arizona Cardinals. But
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of pressure being created from donnavan Zzeriki,
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  Speaker 2: George Genevion Clowney before he kind of went down with
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  Speaker 2: that injury, and Dante Faller, even dealing with injury, had
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  Speaker 2: kind of a really good game by his standards, especially
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  Speaker 2: this season at least. But if we look at the
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  Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals, I mean Jacoby Brissett, like there has to
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  Speaker 2: be a question being asked within that locker room, within
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  Speaker 2: that organization about should we keep moving forward with Kyler
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  Speaker 2: Murray because five straight games, for five straight games, the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals have blown leaves. But over the last couple that
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  Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissette has played, it even versus Agreement Packers, even
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  Speaker 2: now versus Dallas Cowboys with the high scoring offense, he
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  Speaker 2: has been able to get this offense going. Marvin Harrison
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  Speaker 2: had his most catches in the and he tied his
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  Speaker 2: most catches in the game in the first half in
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  Speaker 2: this one. I mean, he kind of went quiet in
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  Speaker 2: that second half, but he really didn't need to do
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  Speaker 2: much because the run game was just clicking and Trey
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  Speaker 2: McBride started getting going. But outside of that, he was
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  Speaker 2: really unlocking these receiving options, even a guy like Michael Wilson,
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  Speaker 2: who he's hitting over the middle of multiple times for
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  Speaker 2: big games. That really put Arizon Cardinals in really good positions.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like, if you're a Cardinals fan, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how you want to see your team go
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  Speaker 2: back to Kyler Murray. After watching what Jacoby Brissette was
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  Speaker 2: able to do with the same weapons and do it
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  Speaker 2: better over these last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know for sure. And that was one thing
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  Speaker 1: I was I was a little concerned about, and then
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  Speaker 1: I was relieved. I'm like, okay, cool, Jacoby Brissett's playing,
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't realize, like, even though Jacoby Brissett like
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  Speaker 1: I've seen him play good, like actually like watching the
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  Speaker 1: entire game of him. He is a very competent quarterback
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  Speaker 1: and with honestly, other than Trey McBride subpar weapons. We
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  Speaker 1: know Marv. I'll say this about Marvin Harrison. Let's give
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  Speaker 1: him another week then then I'll say he's kind of
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  Speaker 1: on that trajectory again, maybe not a superstar receiver, but
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  Speaker 1: being a star receiver because he's done a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing in this game right here,
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  Speaker 1: as far as just a game in general. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to count that last act turnover because it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like last second, fourth and twenty something, but
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  Speaker 1: the Jake Ferguson fumble and then the Javonte Williams fumble,
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  Speaker 1: those were just key mistakes right there. And back to
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  Speaker 1: back weeks. Offense has had really bad days back to
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  Speaker 1: back weeks, so that's I don't know if it's concerning.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it'll get back to normal. And also
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line was very shaky. But it's now time
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  Speaker 1: to ask you about this, so I think it was released. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: about eight hours ago, Jerry Jones said a trade was
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  Speaker 1: official on the defensive side of the ball, we don't
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  Speaker 1: know the caliber of the trade as far as there's
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  Speaker 1: been named, as far as Mika Fitzpatrick, Trey Henderson all
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  Speaker 1: the way up to lower tier guys like Logan Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: arden Key or maybe Jeffrin Simmons, Jeffrey Simmons or maybe
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  Speaker 1: a Max Crosby. So do you think that could do
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  Speaker 1: anything for this Cowboys team with them being three to
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  Speaker 1: five and one, with their harder part of the schedule
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  Speaker 1: coming up.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think we heard what Joe Buck and Traitman
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about during the game, like this is more
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  Speaker 2: than just a one player problem, Like this is a
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  Speaker 2: whole entirety of a defense problem. Like even Jaron Bland
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  Speaker 2: was getting cooked in this game, who they picked big
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  Speaker 2: money to buy, Marvin Harry and even Michael Wilson himself.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like it's just it's more than just one guy.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think a trade is really gonna do much. Rather,
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  Speaker 2: it's just gonna be able to get the team excited
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  Speaker 2: just for a little bit, just for it to be disappointed.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't think this is something that you can
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  Speaker 2: fix overnight. Is definitely you need multiple players to fix this.
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  Speaker 2: You need a new scheme to fix this. The offense
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  Speaker 2: is in the problem. It's completely on the defensive end.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, I don't know. I don't know who
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  Speaker 2: could be that big of a game changer right now
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  Speaker 2: in the season that is available that could really wreak
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  Speaker 2: havoc for the Dallas Cowboys to put them in a
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  Speaker 2: good position. I mean, you had him and you traded
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  Speaker 2: him away, So I don't know if it's like there's
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  Speaker 2: someone available that that is able to do that, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you get that from the secondary position,
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  Speaker 2: because you it doesn't start with a secondary position. It
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  Speaker 2: starts with the defensive line. And if you're not really
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  Speaker 2: getting one of those major guys that really do something.
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  Speaker 2: And I like to put that they made also on
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  Speaker 2: the broadcast as well, that trade Hendrickson maybe a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's available or an option. But the thing is, Cherry
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  Speaker 2: he Nickson was literally on this defense last year and
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  Speaker 2: he didn't know it wasn't able to help them for anything,
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  Speaker 2: and he lets the league get pretty much in sacks.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it was very true.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't even matter how good he was doing when
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the defense was unable to keep her.
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  Speaker 2: So For me, it's just like, we'll see what they do.
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  Speaker 2: They see they might make multiple trades, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of one of those to see if Jerry Jones
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  Speaker 2: really never does that, So we're gonna have to see
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  Speaker 2: what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, I'll say this. The only trade that
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  Speaker 1: I will be content with, and I also think is
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  Speaker 1: a trade that is the most long shot, is Max Crosby.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm saying this is obviously it'll
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  Speaker 1: help this year, but he's on a contract for the
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  Speaker 1: next four years and is a younger guy. But like,
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  Speaker 1: if you trade for a Bradley Chubb, a Minka or
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey or even Jeffrey Simmons, I'd be fine with that.
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  Speaker 1: But somebody who's on a longer term contract that could
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  Speaker 1: help this team out for multiple years, that's the only
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  Speaker 1: guy I'll be fine with. But honestly, I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying punk the rest of the season. I think
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  Speaker 1: this offense is gonna be too competitive, but I think
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna if we trade for a defensive guy, maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll be what nine nine seven and one or yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that would be the record nine to seven and one
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  Speaker 1: something along the lines and barely miss the playoffs, which
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about in a second. The NFC is
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  Speaker 1: so damn competitive, so I don't even think we'll have
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  Speaker 1: a chance. But yeah, I think as far as just
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  Speaker 1: to wrap up this entire game, it just shows the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals are better than what they were expected. And the
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys they're they're they're hitting the buy at the right
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  Speaker 1: time because they're really going down. Offense is getting much
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  Speaker 1: worse as the weeks go on, and then defense, the
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  Speaker 1: defense has been the defense. We'll just see what happens
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  Speaker 1: with the trade. Well, I'm pretty sure we'll address that
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  Speaker 1: Thursday whenever that happens. But all right, Josh, let's go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and talk about your team right here, the annual
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  Speaker 1: Bills versus Chiefs game, in which history repeats itself one
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  Speaker 1: more time they beat the Chiefs. There goes twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: to twenty one in this one, where the Chiefs had
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  Speaker 1: kind of a last herad to try to tie the game.
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes threw a pick in this one, kind of like
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  Speaker 1: last last minute or last late thing. Takeaways from the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think the Buffalo Bills came in here
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  Speaker 2: with more moxie. They came in with more energy, and
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  Speaker 2: they came in with a better game plan than the
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  Speaker 2: Kancity Chiefs did. And it was quite apparent just from
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  Speaker 2: the first drives from both teams that this was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a long day for the Kansity Chiefs. And
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  Speaker 2: you just saw the confidence that the Buffalo Bills played with.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that the Chiefs weren't confident. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: they were over confident, and we're being completely honest. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was more like that they didn't expect the
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  Speaker 2: Bills to come out firing the way that they did,
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  Speaker 2: especially because this is the best performance the Buffalo Bills
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  Speaker 2: was on all season defensively, Like we're looking at a
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  Speaker 2: whole defensive standpoint, especially along the defensive line and the
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  Speaker 2: secondary as well with Maxwell Harrison coming back. But that
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  Speaker 2: defensive line had not been creating a lot of pressures
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  Speaker 2: or getting a lot of sacks throughout the entirety of
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  Speaker 2: the season. But versus the Kansaity Chiefs, they were able
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  Speaker 2: to step up in a big way. And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that it was pre it was only based off
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  Speaker 2: because the Chiefs were missing their starting left tackle, whish
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  Speaker 2: they had been for the last four games, and that
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  Speaker 2: Juwan Taylor was playing a Troses before he actually walked
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  Speaker 2: away with the foot injury, and who knows what Trace
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  Speaker 2: Smith is still dealing with. But even with all that
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  Speaker 2: being said, Mahomes in this game had literally no time,
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  Speaker 2: Like he had no time in the pocket. I think
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  Speaker 2: there was a stat that he was getting pressured on
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  Speaker 2: fifty percent of his dropbacks and that he went like
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  Speaker 2: three for sixteen in an interception in this game alone.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, what it comes down to is play calling.
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  Speaker 2: I think the play calling in this game was absolutely
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  Speaker 2: a trocest by Andy Reid. I think this was probably
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  Speaker 2: his worst performance of the season as a play caller. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we started off the game hitting Rashid rice when we
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  Speaker 2: wanted something, that we wanted things to happen, but we
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  Speaker 2: went completely away from what we're used to doing. That
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  Speaker 2: almost for the entirety of this game. Because there was
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  Speaker 2: no RPOs being rand, no routes being really close to
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  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. A lot of Mahome stuff was
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  Speaker 2: still looking deep down the field hoping someone got open.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of the chief success on their drives
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  Speaker 2: that they got success on was big plays. The big
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  Speaker 2: plays happened was because they were seeking these big plays
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  Speaker 2: rather than playing their fundamental football that the Chiefs are
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  Speaker 2: used and accustomed to playing. And so that's why the
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  Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills just outright won this football game. The Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: really had no answers. This defense had put on their
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  Speaker 2: worst performance probably I think in the last couple of seasons,
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  Speaker 2: and it really showed in the box score because dude,
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  Speaker 2: you had, I mean, for thirty three straight games the
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  Speaker 2: cancer Chiefs didn't allow running back to rush over one
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  Speaker 2: hundred yards. James Cook had one hundred and fourteen, though
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  Speaker 2: it took him twenty seven carries to do it, he
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  Speaker 2: still got to one hundred and fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about that on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then Dalton kin k they had an
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  Speaker 2: allowed one hundred yard receiver in eleven games and now
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  Speaker 2: don k Kate walks over with one hundred and one.
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  Speaker 2: So the Bills were able to pick apart the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: weaknesses that they found. And that's things especially across the
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  Speaker 2: defensive line. Our pass rush is absolutely bad. Like if
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna ask me a weakness along this team, and
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  Speaker 2: I will say this, one of the worst contracts in
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  Speaker 2: football right now. Is Chris Jones. Like I think it's
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  Speaker 2: one of the worst contracts in football because over this
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  Speaker 2: last season, over this season, he has been non existent,
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  Speaker 2: Like he has not been the same guy in important situations.
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  Speaker 2: Like we understand Chris Jones may take some time off,
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  Speaker 2: but you know when it comes down to the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 2: who's always going to show up and make big plays,
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  Speaker 2: especially against the likes of Josh Allen. And in a
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  Speaker 2: couple of games this season, Chris Jones has been the
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  Speaker 2: reason why we have lost football games, like especially in
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  Speaker 2: that Los Angeles Chargers game when he failed to hold
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  Speaker 2: contain and win inside it and lost just the football game.
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  Speaker 2: And this one he was he didn't show up anywhere,
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  Speaker 2: any recavoc anywhere. He was not a factor in the
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  Speaker 2: pass rush, not a factor in the run defense, and
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  Speaker 2: it really slowed down the rest of the defensive line
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  Speaker 2: because if he's not making big plays, it's really hard
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  Speaker 2: for guys like George Carlaftis, who though is a good
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  Speaker 2: pass rusher, really needs stat start alongside him for him
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  Speaker 2: to be at his full capability, and that just hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been existent this season with Chris Jones, and I feel
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  Speaker 2: like he needs to step up in a big way,
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  Speaker 2: or the Chiefs need to make a big move for
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  Speaker 2: someone that can bring a little bit more juice along
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  Speaker 2: that defensive line, like someone like Fonso was alluding to
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  Speaker 2: a guy that I really wanted, Jayalen Phillips just got
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  Speaker 2: traded to Philadelphia, so that makes them a lot stronger.
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  Speaker 2: But Jeffrey Simmons, Max Crosby will never become a candidate.
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  Speaker 1: What about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, see that's who I was thinking about as well.
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  Speaker 2: But and then like Jeffrey Simmons, Jermaine Johnson, just some
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  Speaker 2: some things that we're gonna have to wait and see on,
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  Speaker 2: like who can we really realistically make a move for today?
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  Speaker 2: All day I was checking my phone, like, oh, the
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  Speaker 2: trade deadlines at four, Trade deadlines at four, because I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking like it was Tuesday already, but it was
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  Speaker 2: really tomorrow. So yeah, we'll just have to see what
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  Speaker 2: they do. I think the Chiefs saw like what they
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  Speaker 2: saw probably from Kreem Hunt. So I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: we see a real big move for a running back,
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  Speaker 2: but along these defensive line, there has to be a
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  Speaker 2: move made. And we're supposed to get Josh Simmons bat
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  Speaker 2: this next game, so that should be a big boost
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  Speaker 2: to the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, as far as from this game right here,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like to the same sentiments just offensively wise,
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  Speaker 1: with the Cowboys and the Chiefs, I'm not worried about
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  Speaker 1: this team offensively. I don't expect Patrick Mahome to have
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and I think that's the biggest thing
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  Speaker 1: in this one. Patrick Mahomes literally had his worst statistical
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  Speaker 1: date ever I think, least amount of completions and just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: least amount of completions and Josh Allen had his best
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  Speaker 1: completion percentage in Bill's history. And it was a seven
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  Speaker 1: point game and Patrick Mahomes had a chance to tie
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  Speaker 1: the ball game. So I think that pretty much says
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  Speaker 1: everything right there. And honestly, it really didn't improve nothing.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, it really didn't improve nothing, because we
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  Speaker 1: see the Bills do this every single year. And I
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  Speaker 1: hate to be that type of person to say wait
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  Speaker 1: till January, but honestly, it's been it's been the same
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  Speaker 1: thing than last four years with the Buffalo Bills. So
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  Speaker 1: it's going to just have to be proven in the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: And okay, this is kind of like off topic. I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen just in general a quarterback be so dominant
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  Speaker 1: in the regular season versus another team, and then come
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  Speaker 1: postseason it completely flips. I don't think I've ever seen
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  Speaker 1: that in NFL history before. I think this is the
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  Speaker 1: first time ever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my thing is that Josh Allen never plays bad
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  Speaker 2: in the regular season. He has really big games. The
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  Speaker 2: thing is it comes down to those little minute things
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  Speaker 2: where like do you need a big play and he
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  Speaker 2: just fails to get it for you in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: And if you actually look at the statistics, the Bills
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  Speaker 2: actually get better in the postseason when they play the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs the second time around. It's just that the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: astronomically go from twenty points per game to thirty four
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  Speaker 2: points per game when they play them in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: So the Chiefs improved drastically in the posted I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's evident. I mean they've been to what eight straight
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  Speaker 2: conference championships, four straight seules, So it's kind of one
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  Speaker 2: of those things like they're the better team more often
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  Speaker 2: than not when it comes to when it really matters.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, I'm not too worried about if the
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs are gonna make the playoffs. The only thing I'm
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  Speaker 2: worried about is that the chief are going to win
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  Speaker 2: the division at this point, I think losing four games,
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  Speaker 2: which is in a really rough spot. I'm not putting
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  Speaker 2: against us that we can win out, but the thing
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  Speaker 2: is we haven't be a team when they score twenty
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  Speaker 2: plus points this season. And I don't know if that's because.
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  Speaker 1: Worlds want able to get things going.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is the Jaguars game, we should have one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm within Jaguars are not a good football team. Like
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  Speaker 2: they are just not a good football team. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's been evident over the last couple of weeks that
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  Speaker 2: they are wholeheartedly not and they were frauds the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: But the Chiefs in that game made a lot of
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  Speaker 2: mistakes and they allowed them to get back to that
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: football game, and then they were one big mistake on
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: that pick six that really changed the momentum that entire
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: football game and put the Chiefs really in a bind,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: and they really did that to themselves. So the Chiefs
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: right now and it should be six and three, and
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: six and three looks a lot better than five and four,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: but that's not the reality that we're in right now.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: So it just comes down to we got to show
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: up when it matters, Like there has to be a
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: wholehearted thing, and I'm tired of this. Like, the one
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: thing I'm tired about with the Chiefs over the last
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: couple of seasons is that the Chiefs come out like
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I feel like on their first draft, first drive quite
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: a bit against really important games, very still like they
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: come out very conservative, jail. Yeah, there's no urgency to
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: really push the ball down the field. But when we
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: play these lesser teams, we're moving the ball down the
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: field no matter what. In that first drive, I want
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: to see more execution on the initial start of the
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: game so we can create better fluidity throughout the entirety
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: of the game. After that, now you have a lot
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: more confidence built up because early in this game we
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: went down pretty much two possessions early on. Yeah, so
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: it really was just comeback city after that and just
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: really pressing things quite a bit, and it didn't work
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: out for the Chiefs at all. Well, Okay, there's no
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: reason Clyde, who should be touching the ball? No, yeah,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: there's no reason he should be touching the ball.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: No, But okay, let me flip this to you. Okay,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I'm again I'm not gonna be the person to say, oh,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be the time where the Chiefs lose,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: but it's a little bit. It looks a little different
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: this year as far as where the Chiefs against the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: lesser teams, they usually don't lose those close games and
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they don't look buttoned up as they usually do. And
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I'll say this, even though the Chiefs offense has been
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: great and it's Andy Reid's side of the ball, can
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you agree with me that Andy Reid hasn't been on
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: his normal a game that usually is like as far
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: as just management with the clock, whereas as far as
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: late game execution. You go even back to Philly, what
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was that week two something along those lines. So he
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: just hasn't been the best and I think that's infecting
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the team here where they wouldn't have normally lost those
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: games years prior.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think my biggest thing in the first
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: two games is really came down Harrison Booker. Like I'm
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: being completely honest, I do whole hardly think when you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: miss points four points for sure in the Eagles game,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it puts the play calling in a bind, Like I'm
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: not going to sit here and be mad at him
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: in that game or even in the Chargers per se,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: because the Chargers, honestly, we look back at that game,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: they were the better team that day, Like they were
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: wholeheartedly the better team that day, and they were at
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: full health on that offensive line, and Harrison Booker missed
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: an extra point, So like that really hurt us for
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the entirety of the game. But if we look at
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: this game is specifically, I mean, you have the best
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: player in the world in the red zone on fourth
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and three and you run the ball. Okay, so you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: come on on first down. The defense, you come on
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: first and goal, the defense has to respect that. You
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: have the option to run or pass. So what do
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you do. Easually, You pass the ball because you don't
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: lose time. It stops the clock. If no, if it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: not completed, if not, if you complete it more likely
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: or not, it's a touchdown within that close into the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: into the goal line. So you do that, stop the clock.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Now on second down, you have the freedom to run
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: or pass the ball because you didn't waste so much
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: time within that first goal. But when you run the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: ball initially, you have to throw the ball three straight
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: times after that because you just can't like run the ball.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Now you're out of timeouts. Now you put your team
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: in a buying after that, and you have the best
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: player in the world who you're comfortable with going fourth
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and seventeen with. You can't go fourth and one, four
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and goal, fourth and goal to go get a touchdown.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I understand in hindsight, maybe yes, you go
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: for the points always because you're gonna get the ball
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: back in the second half. But still you have the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: best player in the world. Let the best player in
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the world dictate what happens for your football team because
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: he's done it so many times over and over again.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Allow him to cook. You know, it's Patrick freaking Mahomes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: So like you know, like you know, how many the
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinators were killed to have Patrick Mahomes on fourth Yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: every single time. So for me, I think it just
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: comes down to little things. And in this one, we
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: didn't see really Andy Reid run his bread and butter,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: which is the RPOs. Like he did not run consistently
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: at all in this football game. And that's where the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Chiefs eat, especially when Rashi Rice is on the football cup.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: The Bills cannot touch Rashi Rice like they just cannot.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And it was clear on most of these plays he
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: was even open when Mahomes couldn't get there because the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: offensive line had already deteriorated by that point. But Rashi
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Rice is constantly a big playmaker. Just to get your
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: playmakers the ball. And as far as Xavier' worthy, like
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: why is only getting four touches, Like that's just my thing?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Like you spent a first round draft pick on him,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I understand it. You get your gadget guy, you get
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: the guy that can, that's the fast player in the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: history of football. You want him in the history of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the NFL combine. You want him to be able to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: get the ball in crucial moments because big plays are
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: waiting to happen. But that just doesn't happen. And then also,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not this guy I say this, but we did
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: get hold on that third down. Like on that third
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: down seven was ended up being four thirty and sixty,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: we still converted. I think, no, we didn't convert that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: we I think we're not punting the ball.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: No yeah, the ball yeah yeah, yeah.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: The ball was tipped. It wasn't intentional and grounding. I mean,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that's my last time I'm hard on it, because that's
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: not the only play we lose on. So but as
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: far as that, Joey Bosa was trying to guard the
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: screen like you were being completely honest, like he like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: why am I this open? Like I feel like it?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Why did I feel?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Why did? You could definitely tell like he was like
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: like why did nobody? Travis Kelsey was behind him, so
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: he was like, yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: He got over the screen, but it did look fishy hindsight,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: it did look.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: From the angle. From the angle, but if you I mean,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: if you know Ball, like you know he's.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah you yeah, he'd be like wait, wait, what's.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Because he was so confident running and he just suddenly
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: went oh.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Crap, and then yeah yeah, and.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Then he realized like damn, like I'm no one's coming,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: there's no screen.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no for real. But man, I would just
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: say as far as like just with Kansas City, let
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: me let me look at their schedule. I know you
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: probably know their schedule right now, but I mean it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a little tough.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: We got Denver coming up, then we got Indianapolis, and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: then I believe we played Tennessee and then we played Indianapolis.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Then we play Cowboys at least in the stretch, which
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not too worried about right now. If I'm in
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: completely yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not looking forward to that game
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: right there. I'm not. I'm not looking forward to that one. No.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But okay, I'll say this, as far as just standing wise,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and as far as for the Chiefs, I feel like y'all,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: y'all have to If y'all lose one game to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Broncos and one more after that, I think it'll be
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: raps for the division and in all honestly, because I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: don't think we.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Can't, especially when the Chargers and the Broncos both like
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: continue to stay ahead. Like Okay, So my thing this
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: week that I've been thinking, no one capitalized when the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Chiefs were losing, but now the Chiefs are not capitalizing
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: on everyone else, Yeah next to them, they.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Could with the Colts. With the Colts losing a crazy game.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: We look at Jags and the Bills game. Phil's whooped
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: our ass. The Jags game is gonna haunt the Chiefs
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: for this whole season.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Like you could say, the phil the Philly one, I mean.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The Philly one. I think it's it sucks. But like
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I said, like it falls on top really on top
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of one player while we lose that football game, Like
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I hardly think that. Like I was calling for his
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: head on the pod, like and I've never done that
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: with Ja because he's my Catholic brethren, but dude, he
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: was causing me to be angry. And but as far
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: as like this these two games, the Bills, you needed
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to not need to win this game, but if you
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: needed to win that Jaguars game, especially the way that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you did lose, like you had to pull that game out.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Right now, it doesn't look as ugly being six and
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: three compared to five and four. And that's just a
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: whole hard truth because now you're like stuck with no
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: margin of error, Like there's no really real margin of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: error for the Kansay Chiefs this year because honestly, you're
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: out of the playoffs right now. And this is why
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about a minute. I can't say Mahomes
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: is the MVP right now. I can't even put them
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in the top three right now because they're not in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. And I have to be realistic when it
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: comes to that. If we were in the playoffs, I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: do making the argument, but right now, we're out of this,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: We're out of the sweepstakes, and we have to really
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: work as a whole out of this bye week, which
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs are one of the best teams out of
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the bye in the history of football. They better, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: especially after by what the Chiefs are able to do.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm looking forward to it because
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I do think the Devin Broncos are a terrible football team,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: and I do think the teas are a lot better.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna get going. And after I mean,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the culture, I'm not I don't know, we're gona talking
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: about it, but the culture, for me, I'm not too
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: worried about them because six turnovers only lose by one touchdown.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not too worried about them. If I'm being honest,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Like they were still able to hold their own just
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: rough day, Daniel Jones went back to default. Needs to
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: really get some of you.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went back to the pumpkins Halloween. He wanted
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to be a pumpkin.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Need to reconfigure the settings.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: So and then well, okay, well okay, we'll do this.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Instead of like covering every single game, we'll cover the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: standings from both sides and kind of like pick pick
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: apart from there if if that makes sense that that'll
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: be a little bit easier to do. Okay, so we'll
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: just stick with the AFC right here. As of right now,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the playoff picture, you have three teams who are seven
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and two Colts who are the one. New England they're
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the two seed, Denver is a three seed, Pittsburgh is
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: five and three, the wild card Buffalo six and two.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Charges are six and three. Jacksonville is five and three,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and we kind of like pick apart the games as
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: we go here. So New England they took care of
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: business with that lineup pretty convincingly. But okay, if you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: had to rank these AFC teams right now, like no
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: real like critical like breaking down, how would you them
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: as far as like overall team better team? Because I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: think as.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: If I'm rutting a power rankings, if I'm doing a
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: power rankings, or if I'm doing.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Like a yeah, like a power rankings, number.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: One for me is gonna have to definitely be the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: New England Patriots. Like I think the Patriots right now,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: like their defense is completely stout, like I do think
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: they had a rough one versus I mean Michael Pinnix
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and Drake Lindon in this one, so they were really
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: able to do a lot of things. But I mean,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the run defense is amazing for the New York Patriots.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: They've been shutting down absolutely everybody and they lose kishan
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: body on the other side. But I don't think that's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a really big thing that matters, like for me, like
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: for some reason, I'm predicting a Jacoby Myers reunion in
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: New England.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: There's some reason a wide receiver. So now, like, especially
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: with with them like being this good, I think you
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: have to capitalize on Drake May being on a rookie contract.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And I do think you saw some good things from
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Trevion Henderson this weekend. Like it wasn't like what a wholeheart,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: but eighteen touches for him and him look quite some
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: explosives within some of his movements. And I know Tyrol
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Jennings had a good day as well. But as far
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: as that, like, you have playmakers along this team, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Drake May is playing, like right now the best quarterback
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in the NFL I think this season, so especially what
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: he's given, Like I feel like if I mean, we
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: can argue Matthew Stafford. We can argue Sam Garner, we
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: can argue Josh Allen, we can argue Patrick Mahomes. But
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: when you look at the weapons that he has at
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: his disposal compared to the others, I take a lot
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: of the other guys over, even even Daniel Jones weapons
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: compared to what is dealing with. So I feel like
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Drake May is showing why he's one of the why
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: he's the was the best choice for Nengland Patriots when
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: they drafted him, and he's able to do what he's
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: able to do, and especially behind Mike Grabel, like Rabel's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: playing very hard. And if I'm going at another team,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I think I'm not too sold on the Bills just yet.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Like I I do think they're gonna be there. They're
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: gonna be there. They're gonna be there, trust like they're
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: gonna be in the playoffs. But they played out of
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: their mind versus the Canty chief That wasn't like a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: normal Bills week in and week out type of thing.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: That was like Bills playing their Super Bowl. Where's the
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Canty Chiefs? Ever? Being completely honest, But the thing is,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Josh Towns is not gonna get trade to the Annapolis
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Colts out of the Inneapolis Colts, especially especially right now
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: AFC North Steelers.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, AFC North, I want to talk about it, Lamar Jackson.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Now being back, I need they need to win the games, though,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say nothing until they go five hundred.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so let me let me just listen.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: I know their schedule.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Let me just list to their schedule. Okay. This next
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: one just gonna determine if they.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: The Panthers were going to be easy game also, so.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that we get to the NFC.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So okay, I'll say this, this first game is tough
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: right here. The Minnesota Vikings, who had a solid day
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: against the Lions, the guy you loved to ag Agan McCarthy.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Then it's Brown's Jets Bengals, and then you have Pittsburgh twice,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: which I think they could win those. Then you have Bengals.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Then the real test is Week sixteen and Week seventeen
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: with the Patriots and the Packers. So I'm just saying
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the Ravens, I'm not expecting them to jump all the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: way to the top three seed, but with Pittsburgh struggling, really,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I know they beat the Colts, but Baltimore really they
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: control their own destiny at this point, Like if they
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: take care of Pittsburgh. So are you lots hype?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not until he gets a five hundred,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: until they gets a five hundred, I'm not. Like I
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: just can't do it. Like three and five is hard, bro,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Like three and five is like not a good place
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: to be like, and and then the rest of that division,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Like I know you look at the Bengals as a win,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but the Bengals to drop forty two in a loss
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and the week before they drop thirty eighth lost, like
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: they're like you have to really like you have to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: be on your a game even when you play the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Bengals because like, yeah, even though you you you score
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a lot, they're gonna score more than you probably, so
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be Yeah. And Joe Black was playing out
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: of his mind, like shout out Joe Flacco, but.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: He is like it's like the Bengals, they're a type
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of team where it's like it's like, you know you
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: could beat them, but it's like it's gonna be a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: tough one. Very text well, especially with c J. Stroud
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: that that was a dirty play. I don't know which
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Denver defender did it. It was a dirty play there.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It's crazy how eleven their defense is so damn good,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: but their offense is just so bad. I think statistically
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: all metrics Houston to be the offensive line. It is
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the offensive line line.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I mean there there's no shortage of wide receiver options
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and there. I mean, I think Woody marsh is serviceable. Like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I think he's a good rookie running back. If he
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: had a good offensive line, he may be making some
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: explosive place.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: AFC West is just a blood bath right now. Broncos,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Chargers Chiefs.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me say this with the Chargers, Joe All
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: being out, I dropped the Chargers down a lot because
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: we saw how they're also so much.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: My thing is the Chiefs. I think can beat the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Broncos twice this year, Like I do you think so?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: You don't think, y'all split?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think the Broncos are a good football team. Bro.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: So they're frauds. Seven and two frauds mmm.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I mean it's not the first time frauds have been
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: seven and two. Oh man, It's just like, I mean,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we were basically eighteen and two last year, frauds and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: then we got destroyed it by the Philadelphia Eagles and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl frauds.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Y'all made the Super Bowl.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: That's no, we were frauds, bro, we were frauds. Mantuni
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: was starting at left tackle.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Man, I'm just hearing the greed super Bowl, make it
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and frauds. That. Man, you're that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: just lucky right there. But okay, I'll say this. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: agree that the Chiefs are better than the Broncos, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I think that the Broncos, if they face any other team,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they will put up a great, great fight. I think
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: y'all split versus Denver versus the Chiefs like they always do.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Chargers beat us a game.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, especially with Joe alt I'm telling you,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Joe All being out, that's we saw. What was it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Like, the Chiefs have a tough schedule in the season,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: so it's like they better just they better buckle up.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Long right Yeah. Like there's bald there's Baltimore. Jacksonville's in
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the picture right now. We don't know how long they
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: stay in there. I don't think that. If I had
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: to predict, like a team that jumps into the playoffs
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and teams that move out, I think Pittsburgh and Chargers
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: move out, and I think Kansas City and Baltimore moves in.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That's what I'll say if I had to switch any
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: from how it is right now, I still think Indie,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: New England, Denver, Buffalo. I think I think they still Jacksonville.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Jacksonville might be get in
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: by default. There are two games ahead of everybody else
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: in all honesty, So so is is there anything else
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in the AFC you want to really? Oh?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Then they might just lose BTJ for a couple of weeks. Bro.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Apparently he he might play next week. I did see
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: something on that, but look, let me go to it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: That's great for me, but he also still sucks. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's great for me.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And it says he it says he's questionable to return.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You know, before the season, I wasn't stressing on the
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: BTJ stuff, But I have him now apparently for some reason,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: in four league through trade, and like now I'm like
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: pissed like everybody else.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yo, Yeah, welcome to the piss BTJ club, Welcome, welcome
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: to it, and okay, this is random. Okay. As far
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: as Ashton Genty from that game, Ashton Genty finally, other
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: than the Kansas City game, he's been he's been statistically
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: been putting up those stats fantasy managers wanted. I'm not
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: saying he was a first round pick. No, I'm not
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: gonna take BTJ from you. Ryan. No, me and my
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: counsel aka the guy to the left of me, we
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: discussed this already. But no, so it says BTJ he
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: should be back. But as far as Ashton Genty, he's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: finally proven. Maybe not a first round pick in fantasy football,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: but he's proven his competence. Maybe like a second or
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: third round pick.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's working very hard to get what he gain though.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: He's working for every single yard. Yeah. No, I'll I'll
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: say that. I don't I don't think there's I don't
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: think there's anything else from this AFC josh nah. But
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: all right, let's move to this NFC side right here,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: where there's a bunch of This is very crowded right here,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just list Okay, I'm gonna list the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: playoff teams and go from there. So Philly one seed,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: six and two, Tampa Bay six and two, Seattle six
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and two, Green Bay is five and two, the Rams
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: are six and two, the Niners are six and three,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and the last wild card spot is a Detroit Lions
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: who are five and three, but in the Hunt Bears
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: are five and three. Carolina's five and four, in Minnesota
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: is four and four. So very very crowded right here,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So you kind of go any point, I'll just follow
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: your lead from this.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, for me, honestly, the two most important
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: teams in this entire conference right now. I mean, okay,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: scratch that. Philadelphiagles just made some big moves, like they
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: just made some really big splash jaire Michael Carter and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Jalen Fields all through trading, and for some reason, I
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: feel like they're not done. Like I don't know, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: feel like the Phildelphigles.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Have one more movement. I don't think so either.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Hey you're taking my motto, well I got one more
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: move in me. I got one more move in me.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh in dynasty.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean for them, they U can't up.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: And I think that last game what they were able
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: to do through the run. Was Saquon Barkley very scary
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the NFL because I if that
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator is able to figure it out that you
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: have to give the ball to Saquon to be successful
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: weekend and week out consistently, and they might just keep
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: giving it to Saquon Barkley. And if that's the case,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: then he might go new Clear the second half of
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the season. So They're always a team to monitor. But
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I really want to look at this NFC West, like
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I want to look at the Seattle Saw. I want
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to look at the Los Angeles Rams. And I know
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: we have a guy that was usually on this podcast
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that argued his heart out for Matthew Stafford. But I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: think equally an argument can be made for a guy
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: that wears that wears that green and that green, blue
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: and white and gray whatever last year too, and that's
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Sam Donald. I think Sam Donald's career resurgence needs to
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: be studied. It's at a higher level than Geno Smith was.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: He's actually going absolutely insane, especially with the guy like Jasn.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, JSN is going absolutely nuclear. Nine one hundred
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and sixty eight yards through eight games on pace for
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: two thousand yards and I think he might do it
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: so that that year three jump was insane. So yeah, right,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: your three or your two? No, your three, this is
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: your three?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah the year three.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So and dude, he is looking amazing. But they
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: have they have a defense. They have they they're one
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: of the best run stoppers in the NFL, run run
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: defense in the NFL, and their secondaries holding a lot
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of people down. And as far as the Los Angeles Rams,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I mean their offense is too high powered. They have
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: a really good defense. I mean Jared Verus, Byron Young,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: a couple of the guys that are there. But if
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: we look at facts, Rome's gonna do it next year.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: We look at the Rams their offense, especially with Pukua,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: there's there's not any or if not any, that are
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: better than them when they're at full health right now
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: this year, because they're able just to put up points
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: after points after points, and they were already putting up
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: points without Puku Nakua with only Devontae Adams. So I
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: think those two teams right now, for me, the head
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to head matchup is going to be amazing when they
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: do play eventually, I don't know how soon they are
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: going to play against each other. Let me, I do
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: think those are for me the two favorites. I can't
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: say that because the Packers are. They're still there, but
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: they lost to the Panthers and then they're still to me.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Outside the Eagles, the favorites there were Seahawks and the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Rams to to get out of this conference and maybe
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: make the Super Bowl.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So, okay, Seattle reinforcements come November sixteenth, they they do.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But okay, I'll say this about Sam fran If they
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: had either Fred Warner or Nick Bosa, I would say
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that will give him that edge. But I think just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Seattle in LA, they have so many superstars that at
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: this point, like you have so many good players, you
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: need your superstars to be better than the other superstars.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And okay, if I had a pick between Seattle and
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the Rams, they're so evenly matched. Even though Sam Donald's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: playing so good. This is where I give the edge
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: as far as playoff experience and winning the Super Bowl
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: compared to where Mike McDonald. Yes, great head coach, Sam
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Donald playing his ass off the past two years, But
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay and Matt Stafford are proven and they have
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl together, so that's where I'll lean
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: towards them. But it's like very close. It's a fifty
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to fifty in my opinion with Philly. Okay, Philly, I honestly,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because are they going
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to give the ball to Saquon Barkley. They had one
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: good week last week in my opinion, but I don't know.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like they really don't have no identity and so.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Respect.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the respect, the respect is there, it's just I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, there's no real consistency. It's up and down offensively.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I would say if out of those four teams,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: out of the Rams, Seahawks, Eagles, and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I would put them last just because although the heisman
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is the Heisman, it's just I don't see them putting
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: up a fight against those top three teams, like like
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: as far as like it'll be a close game score wise,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: but just over the edge, especially with Mike Evans being now,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: who knows if Bucky Irving returns for the year at all.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So I think if they had those firepower guys, again,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I think NFC is all gonna be about firepower, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: AFC is just going to be who's gonna face Mahomes
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: in all honesty and okay, I want to kind of
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: touch a little bit on.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl from the wildcard two times he's the goat.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I mean he's already to go. But I mean, I mean,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: at this point, you mean.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I would say this. You know what's gonna
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: suck for Mahomes.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: You know what? You know what I hate? Know what
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I hate people are saying Mahomes, Mahomes overrated, Mahomes can't
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be the goat because he lost to Brady, didn't win Yeah, blah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Brady didn't win for ten straight years. I don't know
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: if people forgot about that, like he did not win
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: a Super or go back to the Super Bowl. I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: mean he lost to the Giants twice, but yeah, he
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: did not win a super Bowl for ten straight seasons,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like just saying like he did not win it. So
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: does Mahomes get the same treatment? You know? And plus
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: he's been to more Super Bowls than Tom Brady did
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: in his first start of his career.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: So but I think it's gonna be since like we're
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: in the Mahomes era right now, they're not He's not
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: gonna get that same luxury till after the fact, same
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: way Tom Brady didn't get the luxury while he was
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: in his in his time, And like, what's gonna suck
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: for Mahomes is that it's always gonna be over his head,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: a goat to goat matchup. Brady beat him. I know
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: it's not that simple, but as far as casuals, they
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: debate that, they they debate that head tohead matchup, And honestly,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I think Mahomes he's the greatest person ever throw the football.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the offense with Mike Evans, Antonio Brown, Robert Gronkowski,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Leonard four, defense with Nadonna comes too. In his prime,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Devin White, Richard Sherman, bro come on, yeah, come on,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, freaking Mike and Tom Winfield.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, but okay, let.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Me ask you had a chance.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: No, he really didn't with a bunch of backup linemen
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and and okay, I want to ask you about this.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers they lost to the Carolina Panthers.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: It seems like every time Bryce Young plays bad, it
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: equals Panthers winning football games. I know, Brecken would be
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a static talking about Bryce Young right now. But how
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: do you feel about the Packers in all honesty, because
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: there's so much up and down by them, the Browns game,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys game, the Panthers game. It's just how do
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you feel about the Packers with them after that Micah
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Parsons trade being one of the NFC favors now, Honestly,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I don't even view them in the top three contenders
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: in my opinion in the NFC.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I think they've become too reliant upon Micah Parsons, Like
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I think they become too reliant in the sense that
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: they expect him to close out the game every single
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: time rather than make it make plays. You can definitely
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: tell us they have athletes over the field, but the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: secondary does struggle, Like I do think they do struggle
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: versus some really good offenses that have really good catch
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: receiving weapons. I mean, we saw it wholeheartedly versus the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys and what they were able to do to them,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: especially with the pass, and they can't be had. And
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I do think a conference with a bunch of high
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: powered offenses, it's not a good place for the Packers
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: to be, right now and they have to really capitalize
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: on these wins. They can't on these losses on these games,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: because you can't lose games to the Calorina Panthers and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: expect to still be a favorite or still be a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: team that people view as one of these top tier
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: teams in the in the National Football Conference, along with
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: teams like the Seahawks and the Rams, who where the
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Rams are always consistently within that that plethora of playoff teams.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks are making a name for themselves right now,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: and the Packers are still there too. The Detroit Lions,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: for me, also have been not the same Detroit Lions
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: that we once have saw them before. Yeah, Like they
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: are giving up games that they should necessarily be winning
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: out right that they weren't doing before. They're kind of,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I think in the same boat as the kN City
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Chiefe right now. Like I think they're in the same boat.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Like you know that in any given moment, they can
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: do whatever they want, but right now they just seem
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to come up short, like sometimes when they really need
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: to win the game.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll I'll say, as far as I get
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: into that Detroit point, I think it wasn't necessarily Detroit.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Detroit losing like it was their fault. I think Minnesota
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they finally some players finally got healthy. JJ McCarthy looked
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: really good after a rest, and I guess he kind
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of cleaned up something. Kevin O'Connell's one of the smartest
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, so I think it was more
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: of that fact for them. And I really can't take
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: away from the Lions. I think that's more credit to Minnesota.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: But like you're saying with the Packers, it's just like
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I do agree to that, and I've said this before.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I said even last year, there is a double agent
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: on their team and it's quarterback for them. Number ten.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I think Jordan Love. It sums up his play perfectly
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: in that game where he scrolled all the way right,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: scrolled all the way left. I know is fourth down
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you had to make a play, but there was nobody there.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: There was nobody there. He threw a right to the defender.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And I think what's gonna hold them back, especially with
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, with Baker Mayfield, even with Sam Darnold right now,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: how good he's playing, Jordan Love has to play up
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to their level or just not be reckless and their
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: talent could carry them there. In my opinion, that's all
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: he needs to do. And you have teams on the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: outside like the Chicago Bears, Panthers, and Vikings, who could
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: really make a strike for any of those Like they're
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: just a game behind. So if you had to pick
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: any three of those teams right there, who do you
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: think would be the threat to make the playoffs? Out
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of those three? The Bears, Panthers, are Vikings. It's tough.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, I don't know. Maybe weeks ago, I.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Probably would have said that the Chicago Bears. But the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: thing is that defense is not there, Like that defense
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: is absolutely atrocious. Like I think we've seen a couple
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: of games where the Bears have gone nuclear on offense
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: versus multiple teams. I do think call Williams is still
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit raw, Like I do think he's still
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: learning a lot of things, like you don't have to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: force the ball so hard every single time, Like you
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: don't have to turn into big play. He's not there
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: quite there yet where Mahomes had to learn how to
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: take the check down, how to learn how to do
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: all these things, Like he isn't quite there yet he
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: still has to be able to develop those type of things.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And as far as j McCarthy, I mean, I know
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not one of the biggest McCarthy.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: You have to give him as flowers this week.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I have to give he had really good respect because
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: he did show up in this one. Yea. And with
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the Panthers, it comes down the quarterback. It's defense is okay,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: defense is good. Rico Dalla's bawling. They have good receiving
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: options quarterback quarterbacks the way that they fail and for me,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that's why they're at the bottom of the three. I
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: think it goes Bears, Vikings and Panthers for me on
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: who I think will absolutely finish at the top of this. Yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: at the top of those three at least.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird, Like I don't know how. I
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: think it's more of a testament to how good the
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Panthers are because Bryce Young is barely thrown for one
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: hundred yards and they're winning these football games. So I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: don't know how this is happening. Like this doesn't equal
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: football math like in any ways in history past. But
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: it's just they're able to run the football so well.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Dave Canalis we saw that with him in Tampa, so
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I just don't know. But yeah, no, I agree with
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you on the Caleb Williams sentiment, like he's still okay,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: he could go throw for throw with anybody, but he
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't know, like as far as quarterbacking, if that makes sense,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Like he has the best potential, but he's still learning
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: how to be a quarterback. Also shout out to you,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, like I said, for beating Marcos, Damien your next,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: your next, Damien. I'm looking at you right now, right here, Damian,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You're next in Dynasty. I'm just saying, I'm just saying
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I'm coming back. But all right, let's go in and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: get into what we're talking about. As far as the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: mid season awards, were officially at the mid season point
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: right now, and I know you wanted to touch up
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit on MVP, So is there any changes
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: from this week to who's MVP?
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Now? For me, it's still gonna stay Drake Man. But
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I already kind of addressed my sentiment. I think Mahomes
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: for me is falling. It fell out of the top five,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Like I think, I don't I can't put him in there,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: and it's gonna sound crazy for me, especially me, but
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I can't do it if we're out of the playoffs.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Like I I don't agree with that. So for me,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I think it goes Drake May. They're gonna hate it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen is number two, Josh Allen is the second MVP.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: It's and it's I mean it's not me, it's the odds.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: The odds is super and Josh Allen's favorite to be
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: MVP right now. He's leading by nearly three hundred, so
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: he's plus one fifty right now. So Josh Allen for
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: me is number two. Number three will be Matthew Stafford.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: In number four will be Sam Donald Stafford. Number three
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: we gained Sam Darnold. And then I think I'll slide
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: back Mahomes in that fit spot. So I think right there,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I think that's the list. I think that's the order
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: for me as of right now. For MVP and Drake May,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I already harped on him earlier. What he's doing this
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: season can't go unnoticed.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Okay, So if I had
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: to give it, like just not based on odds, like
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: just quarterbacking just because again quarterback who we're not going
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: to go into that Drake May, Matt Stafford, Josh Allen,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: then Sam Donod Mahome, so the same pretty much the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: same as yours. I would just move Matt Stafford ahead
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of Josh Allen. I'm just saying statistically, he's just dominating.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, Bracken already talked about it last week. So
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: but I don't think there's it's the same top five.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe Baker could get back into that top five in
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: my opinion, but I think he will have to go on. Yeah,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I mean we're just halfway into the season. But okay,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: so nothing really changed from MVP Offensive Player of the Year.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is where it gets really interesting.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: At first, it was a Pooka runaway, but now since
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: he got hurt, it opens up things. There's really three guys,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: three guys that are really in the running. Who's yours on?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Y'all good?
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I think for me it's gonna be the very biased
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: pick of it all being because he's my dynasty receiver
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: in both my dynasty leagues, and that's gonna be Jayson, Jackson,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Smith and Jake. But like, I just feel like what
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: he's doing this season, no one expected to be nine
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight yards through eight games on pace
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: for over two thousand. Dude a monster right now. He's
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: able to do whatever he wants on the football field,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and he just looks so poetic doing it. So I
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: think for me, Jason is gonna be my offensive play
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: of the Year. But if I rank them in order,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be Jayson, Jonathan Taylor, Pooka, and then CMC.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, you would have pook over CMC.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think Puka in his own right, I mean,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: dude came back in absolutely bald. So I just feel
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: like he's matchup proof, defense proof, Like he's just you proof,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: like Rawallan says. So I don't know what if he played,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: if he didn't miss any of those games, I do
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: think he'd be easily number one right now. Yeah, easily,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: because I do think that these guys have all cases,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: like Jonathan Taylor. If you were to pick Johnathon Taylor
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: right now, I'd be like, yeah, whatever, Like I can
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: live with that. Yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I think that's where I'm leaning towards right now because
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I think what's gonna kind of hurt Jaya Sin is
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: because Sam Darnold kind of has an MVP case compared
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to Daniel Jones, he really doesn't have an MVP case
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and in her ninety five yards twelve touchdowns rushing, and
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: then he also has two touchdowns in the receiving, so
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: fourteen total touchdowns. This dude is just like, like you're saying,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: it's just there. They all equally have their own. But
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: one guy that's kind of creeping up is Jamar Chase.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: With how with how high scoring these games are, I
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if Jamar Chase kind of sneaks back
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: into it the last like five or six games or
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: these next five or six games. I think he could
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: really sneak into it. But but yeah, I know I
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: would put CMC three right now. I just say Puka
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: is kind of playing catch up at this point right now.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But okay, dpoy personally me, I feel like this is
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: between three separate guys right here. Who are you taking?
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah? For me is just one guy, and I think
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that's Michael Parsons. I think Michael Parsons. I mean, he's
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: been the closer that they needed. He's been everything and
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: more that they traded for. He's been he really the
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: defense is him, Like he closes the games, he wreaks
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: havoc on the run game. I feel like his run
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: defense has gotten a lot better on the Green Bay
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Packers for some reason. I do feel like that he's
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: able to get there and rushing the past that we
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: know he can do, and he's leading the charge for
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: that Green Bay Packers team. So for me, it's gonna
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: be Michael Parsons for Defensive Player of the Year.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna just say something real quick as far
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: as with Mike. I know Cowboys fans they still like,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: quote unquote hate Micah. Michael was never a bad run
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: defense hate him. It's just that run defense. Yeah, I know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it makes no sense to me. His run defense was
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: never bad, as just everybody else around him was that
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: terrible and made it look that bad. But now he
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: has the actual run defense around him that could actually stop,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: so they see how good he really is. But okay,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick. I would say Michael Parsons, but just
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit different here, I'm gonna say
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett right here because he has ten sacks and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: with that Browns defense, and I just want to give
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: an honorable mention before I move on to the next one.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: If the Giants were actually good, Brian Burns would have
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: a real case right now. Brian Burns eleven sacks. So
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I just had to mention that. But all right, as
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: far as the Rookie of the years, we could say
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: both of them right now. So who would you pick
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the two from this class? Offensive rookie and defensive Rookie
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: of the year.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: The defense, For me, I think it's between two people.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I think in between Abdul Carter and Will Johnson. Like
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: I think Adul Carter's been cracking off havoc along that
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: defensive line, and it's been quite easy when you have
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: the guys next to you. But I do think he's
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: made some big play He's really put his name out
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: there this season and in some pretty big games. And
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: as far as Will Johnson, he's been absolutely shut down
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: as far as the rookie cornerback can be. And I
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: do think that's something to look at, especially in your
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: first season as a NFL cornerback and you're not struggling.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I think that that's pretty dope to see it. And
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: for me, it's between those two for defensive and for offensive.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: For me, I think I'm gonna lean towards the Mega
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Buka I think, I think he's gonna get back on
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: track after dealing with that that hamstring injury and then
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: having some time off. I think for the second half
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: of the season that he's gonna have a major role
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: for the Ten Bay Buccaneers. And I mean he was,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: he did in those first couple of games, but now
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Mike Evans is truly hurt and the rest of the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: team is also very young. So on that in that
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: receiving core range, I mean, Sterling Shipper takes them up
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: to about like thirty eight and a half years age,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: but as far as everyone else, like, they're still pretty
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: down there. So yeah, Mikebuka for me, is gonna be
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the offensive rio of the year.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'll start with defense rookie of the year
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: as of right now, Okay, I'll say this, there hasn't
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: really been a guy who's like popped like crazy for
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: defensive Rookie of the Year. So, like you're saying, Will
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Johnson are dual Carter, I'll have to pick a dual
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Carter from there. He's had so much impact just it's
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: opening up for Brian Burns to have all these sacks.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like the stats really don't
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: tell his side of the story. But as far as
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year, where it gets really tricky again,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it leans more towards the quarterback. So I'll have to
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: lean towards Jackson Dart because his stats are really gonna
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: start going up from there. So that's where I would
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: have to lead to. But as far as for these
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: last two awards right here, we could just say these
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: very quickly, Coach of the Year and Comeback Player of
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the Year. For these two, who would you pay.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: That Coach of the Year for me, is gonna be
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: migreeable the way you've been able to turn around the
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: New England Patriots, especially with a young quarterback okay receiving
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: corps okay, offensive line built up pretty much, that defense
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: back to what they are, showing what they are. And
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: as far as comeback Player of the Year for me,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: really to just two guys, it's gonna be Hi Rice.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Like I think Rahi Rice came back pretty hard. I
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: mean I'm looking at you know, he's he's sixth in
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: odds right now.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Really, he's six in odds. I thought he would be
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: hot for a thousand. Really, Oh, well, okay, like with
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Dak's CMC. Okay, that kind of makes sense.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with Dak, I feel like Dak, but they're losing,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: so I don't know if they used to. I feel
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: like it's gonna be Christian McCaffrey. Yeah for sure. I
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: mean Gardner out of rough year last year with the injuries,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: this year's going absolutely banana.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay, I'm gonna say Dak. I'm gonna
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: just lean towards my goat, of course, because why not.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: This is a Bias podcast only award that it looks
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: like Dak's gonna be able to get, even though he's
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: having an MVP year. But as far as Coach of
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the Year, again, I agree with Mike Vaiel. But just
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: to show something different, I'll i say Shane Steichen because
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: at least with the Patriots you kind of expected an improvement.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: With the Colts, you did not expect nothing with Daniel
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Jones as quarterback. So I'll say that. But all right,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: last things before we get out of here. We set
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: our awards are so called MVP of the week. One
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: guy that stood out throughout the week right here, Josh,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: who is yours?
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You know what for me. It has really nothing to
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: do with real life football, but everything to do with
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: fantasy football. I'm gonna have to go with Brock Bowers.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I think Brock Barwers something points. Yeah, his first game
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: back and I have him in Hector's pookies. What a dog, dude, like,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I'm you believe I tried trading you before you came
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: back for value, but he had absolutely been nanas.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brock Bawers, just we see what he's at when
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: he's finally healthy, and I just don't know why they
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: didn't do that from the very beginning. So I'm glad
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: he had a day. But my so called MVP, I
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: want to go with my gold Caleb Williams, but I'm
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: not going to. I'm gonna go with the running back here,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Kyle Mnungai twenty six carries one hundred and seventy six
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: yards and do look like a monster. I know it
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: was a Cincinnati Bengals defense, but first real start and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: he proved exactly why. And also just honorable mention Rico Dawdle,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: who I said was gonna start getting more of the burn.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: But all right, Josh, we actually finished underneath the hours.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: So that's that's a good thing right there. But any
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: last words before we get out of here.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Good night boys, Yes.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Good night. We'll see you guys Wednesday night for our predictions,
• 59:32
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• 59:38
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• 59:41
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• 59:43
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