Latest / Becker’s Payer Issues Podcast / Melanie Fernando on Expanding Women’s Health Access at Aetna Better Health of Illinois
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- 0:33Hi, everyone. This is Elizabeth Cassello with the
- 0:36Becker's Payer Issues podcast.
- 0:38I'm so thrilled today to be joined by
- 0:40Melanie Fernando, CEO of Aetna Better Health of
- 0:43Illinois.
- 0:44Melanie, thanks so much for joining us today.
- 0:46Hi. Thank you for having me. Excited to
- 0:48be here.
- 0:49Of course.
- 0:50So before we jump in and chat a
- 0:52bit more about your collaboration with Electra Health,
- 0:54can you tell us a bit more about
- 0:56yourself
- 0:57and your health care career background and what
- 0:58you currently do, in your role now?
- 1:02Sure. So I have been the CEO of
- 1:04Aetna Better Health of Illinois
- 1:06since October. So I'm nearly stepping into the
- 1:09role, and it's truly an honor and privilege
- 1:11to lead our Aetna plan in Medicaid.
- 1:13I've been with Aetna Medicaid
- 1:15since 2020, and prior to that was with
- 1:17another Illinois Medicaid managed care organization. And really
- 1:21my health
- 1:22career has been focused on Medicaid. So
- 1:25before joining industry, I was in government sponsored
- 1:28program consulting,
- 1:30working with both health care providers and payers
- 1:33really to optimize
- 1:35programs for the Medicaid population, whether that be
- 1:38healthcare transformation,
- 1:40cost optimization,
- 1:42optimizing revenue, process improvement, etcetera. And really,
- 1:46I wanted to focus my career on government
- 1:48sponsored programs and particularly Medicaid
- 1:51because growing up, I was a first generation
- 1:55daughter of of immigrant parents and all of
- 1:57our family, except for my immediate,
- 2:00are still in a developing nation. So experience
- 2:02a lot of
- 2:04just material
- 2:06challenges with access to care,
- 2:08subsequent health care issues because of that, and
- 2:11it really took a toll on just, you
- 2:13know, the overall family and their ability to
- 2:16to live healthy and fulfilling lives. So seeing
- 2:18that growing up, but then also seeing that
- 2:20happening, you know, in our own backyard in
- 2:22the most developed nation
- 2:24in the world, it it was shocking. So
- 2:27that really was a call to action to
- 2:28me. And, also, you know, my father and
- 2:31my brother all work in the health care
- 2:32industry as well. So I think we all
- 2:34just felt called to
- 2:36work in a an industry that could make
- 2:38a difference
- 2:39for those who need it most.
- 2:41Thank you for giving us some background there.
- 2:44So just for our listeners, today, we're gonna
- 2:46be chatting a little bit more about your
- 2:48organization's work with Electra Health, which is a
- 2:50virtual menopause and midlife care provider.
- 2:53So, Melanie, can you walk us through how
- 2:55this collaboration came to be, who initiated it,
- 2:58and what stakeholder needs it's meant to address?
- 3:01Sure. So as a part of our normal
- 3:04course of business process, we're always looking at
- 3:06analyzing our data and trying to understand
- 3:09our members and our populations better. So we
- 3:12were taking a look at
- 3:13what
- 3:14areas or demographics
- 3:16in our membership are largely unaddressed. Where are
- 3:18we seeing health care needs popping up that
- 3:21don't have a solution? And so through that
- 3:23data analysis, we did identify that particularly in
- 3:27women's health, there was an opportunity to build
- 3:29out more robust programming.
- 3:31And that's where a focus on the,
- 3:34perimenopausal,
- 3:34but then menopausal
- 3:36kind of age range of women came up
- 3:38as not having
- 3:40a very robust pro programmatic solution. And about,
- 3:44fifty one percent of the Illinois population is
- 3:47women, and every at every stage of life.
- 3:50And we found that only about eight percent
- 3:53of women
- 3:54in the,
- 3:55menopausal
- 3:56age range
- 3:57seek any sort of treatment or seek to
- 4:00understand their symptoms, which is just a a
- 4:02very low percentage,
- 4:04given that every woman, you know, eventually reaches
- 4:07that age range. And menopause
- 4:09and perimosal
- 4:10perimenopausal
- 4:11symptoms aren't widely talked about,
- 4:15just in the
- 4:17health care education space either. So it's kind
- 4:20of like a silent suffering and and no
- 4:22one talks about it. And that also was
- 4:24a part of the conversation we had with
- 4:26our our doctors was what opportunities can we
- 4:29have to just create public awareness about a
- 4:31condition, again, that every woman faces, but,
- 4:35and oftentimes have very little support. So that's
- 4:37when we started looking out into the the
- 4:39landscape to see, what types of solutions are
- 4:42available. We found Elektra,
- 4:44talked to Janine, and there was a a
- 4:46fantastic
- 4:47solution that was available that kind of checked
- 4:49all the boxes of what we're looking for,
- 4:51something that,
- 4:52offered clinician support.
- 4:54So, you know, evidence based medicine,
- 4:56we could actually have electronic office visits. So
- 4:59accessible. There are, multiple languages offered, and there's
- 5:03a lot of, high touch support. So coaching
- 5:05that was available as well as education, which,
- 5:08again, I think is important because,
- 5:10just from our, surveys with members,
- 5:14there's definitely an opportunity,
- 5:15especially in the Medicaid population, for understanding
- 5:19the symptoms and what they mean about women's
- 5:21bodies.
- 5:22Yeah. And I wanna ask about some of
- 5:24those, gaps with women's health you see in
- 5:26the Medicaid population in a minute. But since
- 5:28talking to Elektra CEO, Janine, who you mentioned
- 5:31earlier, what was the timeline for rolling out
- 5:33this initiative?
- 5:35Sure. So, typically, what we do is
- 5:38a
- 5:39one month or so assessment process to just
- 5:42really understand the vendors. That's kind of like
- 5:44a meet and greet, getting to know the
- 5:45solution. And then the the contracting process usually
- 5:48takes anywhere from three to four months because
- 5:50we really wanna do our due diligence on
- 5:52identifying the right control population,
- 5:55creating a program that's meaningful in terms of
- 5:59guaranteeing
- 6:00outcomes and
- 6:02ensuring the proper coverage of services for our
- 6:04members and ease of utilization.
- 6:06So that part is probably the most time
- 6:08intensive.
- 6:09And then we actually get into implementation, which
- 6:12might be anywhere from, you know,
- 6:14sixty to ninety days depending on how much
- 6:16technology has to be set up, data sharing,
- 6:19and then ultimately,
- 6:20setting up outreach modalities as well. So all
- 6:23in all, I would say around a year
- 6:25to go through the end to end process,
- 6:27and then we launch the program.
- 6:30So what early usage data and trends have
- 6:32you been seeing with member engagement in terms
- 6:35of adding these resources?
- 6:38So far, our leading indicators have been just
- 6:41click throughs into the ads. So we do
- 6:44a a broader marketing campaign.
- 6:46And so it's it's still a little early
- 6:48because we just launched,
- 6:50about a a month or two ago.
- 6:54But we are looking at digital engagement. So
- 6:56we are starting to see a ramp up
- 6:58in the number of users who are opening
- 7:00up on the text messages that are going
- 7:02out, the emails that are going out, etcetera.
- 7:04And my hope is we we typically
- 7:07like to see
- 7:08above a 30% engagement rate in a Medicaid
- 7:11population.
- 7:12Medicaid is, historically
- 7:14and currently
- 7:15the hardest
- 7:16population to reach because of, you know, evolving,
- 7:20contact information.
- 7:21And some people are transient and they,
- 7:24lose
- 7:26phones, things like that. Their addresses change because
- 7:28they're changing to live with family members.
- 7:31So
- 7:3230%
- 7:33floor, I would say. But if we exceed
- 7:36that, then it's a home run.
- 7:39So how do you plan to address those
- 7:41technological and logistical barriers? Also, just thinking about
- 7:44the age range of people who may be
- 7:46using these services,
- 7:47and what are some long term indicators you're
- 7:50going to look to as this program progresses?
- 7:53So we always think an omnichannel approach to
- 7:56any kind of communication
- 7:57modality of a new solution. So to your
- 7:59point about the age range,
- 8:02anywhere from 40 to 64 is typically,
- 8:05that perimenopausal
- 8:07or menopausal age group. So we expect some
- 8:10technological adoption. And so email,
- 8:13tends to be the highest,
- 8:15rate modality followed closely by text message.
- 8:18And so we're constantly using skip tracing vendors,
- 8:22data scrub and data integrity vendors to try
- 8:24to get the latest contact information.
- 8:27We're also just building in checkpoints
- 8:29in every,
- 8:31channel in which a member can interact with
- 8:33us. So it could include whenever a member
- 8:35calls in, we ask them for updated contact
- 8:38information. Whenever they log in to the member
- 8:40portal, there's a prompt that asks them for
- 8:43updated information, so on and so forth. So
- 8:46always trying to just have a pulse on
- 8:47that directly with our members. But then, also,
- 8:50again, trying to do different
- 8:53outreaches is key. So in addition to digital,
- 8:56we do have a lot of community events
- 8:58and some that are
- 9:00more geared towards women. We have, things like
- 9:02baby showers where
- 9:05whole families come and, typically, again, it's large
- 9:08groups of women. So we add, our women's
- 9:11health programs to those types of events as
- 9:13well. So then we get that in person
- 9:15component in the community. We have community based
- 9:18partners where we can drop off flyers,
- 9:20QR codes, things like that.
- 9:23And then also we have our care management
- 9:25staff. So our care managers are actually staff
- 9:27that,
- 9:29work closely with our higher acuity membership. And
- 9:33so they have a higher touch program and
- 9:35are able to,
- 9:37actually interface with members on a more frequent
- 9:39basis. So they too can share information,
- 9:43more regularly because they're in more regular contact
- 9:45with, our our members, and they're able to
- 9:48tell them about new programs because that's another
- 9:51thing. There are different programs for different types
- 9:53of people. We don't wanna overwhelm our members.
- 9:56We wanna make sure that they get the
- 9:57right
- 9:58fit for their condition in life. And so
- 10:01that's why as a part of our,
- 10:03communication strategy, we're also just always looking at
- 10:05better understanding how we can make those communications
- 10:09more tailored to the individual. And I think
- 10:11that's just a movement
- 10:12overall, right, in terms of,
- 10:15communications and, all industries is how do we
- 10:19use our data? How do we even look
- 10:20at AI
- 10:21to, tailor that messaging to make sure we're
- 10:24fulfilling member interests and member needs?
- 10:27How do you plan to translate those findings
- 10:29with the marketing efforts, the early marketing efforts
- 10:32you have going, and also eventually your care
- 10:34insights
- 10:35into broader quality improvement or care coordination programs
- 10:39that y'all host?
- 10:41So we are able to take,
- 10:43care insights. Meaning, we can, from the coaching
- 10:46sessions that Elektra has,
- 10:49take, and process,
- 10:50qualitative and quantitative information
- 10:53to be able to then,
- 10:55create a a more or less a profile
- 10:57for the member. So we already have a
- 10:59profile based on just their health care,
- 11:02setting utilization data. And so then we can
- 11:04build upon it whether they cite that maybe
- 11:06they have a health related social need. Maybe
- 11:08they have,
- 11:10symptoms,
- 11:11outside of the realm of menopause that need
- 11:14to be unaddressed that haven't been historically. Maybe
- 11:17they have, an ask for a multilingual,
- 11:21care manager, or they want to engage in
- 11:23care management and don't know how. So it
- 11:25depends on the type of feedback, but, really,
- 11:28this is the, the benefit of having different
- 11:30types of partners that are connecting with our
- 11:33different member demographics is they can take different
- 11:36approaches and their own unique engagement strategies
- 11:40to obtain information that can just, again, better
- 11:42help us tailor our programming for membership. So,
- 11:46when it comes to, for instance, trying to,
- 11:49close HEDIS care gaps, which ultimately translate into
- 11:53improved quality scores and health plan ratings,
- 11:55again, another a key barrier to being able
- 11:58to do that is effectively communicating with our
- 12:01members, help them appreciate the importance
- 12:04of, you know, going to get certain screenings
- 12:06or going to certain health care visits. So
- 12:08when we have partners who are able to
- 12:10build trust through care navigation,
- 12:13through coaching,
- 12:14It just improves the overall member experience and
- 12:17engagement in all of our programs.
- 12:20And how are you expecting to see ROI
- 12:23on this initiative?
- 12:25Some of through which I I already mentioned,
- 12:27just the improved member engagement. Improved member engagement
- 12:30leads to,
- 12:32health plan, member retention.
- 12:34It leads to, again, higher engagement in all
- 12:37required activities, whether that be contractual with the
- 12:40state or,
- 12:42quality improvement initiatives. It improves likelihood
- 12:45of our members going to PCP visits.
- 12:48There's a very clear link between,
- 12:50our members going to their PCP and and
- 12:53regular scheduled health appointments and their ultimate health
- 12:55outcomes,
- 12:57just regular
- 12:58engagement in programming, whether it be virtual visits,
- 13:02virtual coaching, or even digesting and reading through
- 13:06and engaging in kind of gamified
- 13:09health education
- 13:10is all linked back to better engagement
- 13:13in the health care system and better understanding
- 13:15of how to manage health. And so
- 13:18we see and track ROI
- 13:20on just the for the members that are
- 13:22actually using the platform and, you know, engaging
- 13:26with Electra,
- 13:27what how do we see,
- 13:29their usage of the health care system change?
- 13:31Do we find that previously,
- 13:34they were not seeking care at all or
- 13:37only seeking care once a year in the
- 13:38emergency room for non acute conditions. And now
- 13:41they're actually feeling empowered through Electra and through
- 13:45being able to trust the clinician
- 13:47to start to see others
- 13:48and, go to their PCP visit, for instance.
- 13:50So we do have some criteria, you know,
- 13:53in our contracts that speak to what we
- 13:55would expect to see for,
- 13:57members who engage in the platform.
- 14:00Absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. So
- 14:03what other opportunities are you seeing in women's
- 14:05health for Medicaid right now,
- 14:07but also other life stage conditions?
- 14:10And where else are you looking to next?
- 14:13That is a great question.
- 14:14The sky is the limit in terms of
- 14:16of opportunity.
- 14:18I think, one thing that we're continuing to
- 14:20dive in and focus on
- 14:22is not to
- 14:24reiterate or reemphasize the same thing over and
- 14:26over again, but just that unable to reach
- 14:29population. That has always been kind of the
- 14:31Achilles' heel
- 14:33of, Medicaid payer organizations
- 14:35and that they tend to have
- 14:38the,
- 14:40lowest performing health outcomes. But because of life
- 14:44condition and circumstances,
- 14:46they're the harder or hardest to reach and
- 14:49hardest to engage. So,
- 14:51that continues to be a focus where, you
- 14:54know,
- 14:55they might only be receiving care in inpatient
- 14:58or emergency room and have never seen a
- 15:01primary care physician or a specialist.
- 15:04So we're continuing to explore and test and
- 15:06experiment different, again, modalities
- 15:08of how to,
- 15:10reach and engage,
- 15:12this type of person.
- 15:13Additionally, we're in terms of women's health,
- 15:17Chicago is one of the most disproportionately
- 15:20impacted areas in terms of,
- 15:22maternal child, and infant morbidity morbidity and mortality.
- 15:27And so women's health in terms of the
- 15:29maternal population
- 15:31continues to be a focus.
- 15:33The TANF or, in Illinois, it's called NDCA
- 15:36population, which is moms and babies, tends to
- 15:39make up a significant portion of Medicaid
- 15:41in any state.
- 15:43And so it's a continued focus in an
- 15:45area where, again, we're continuing to try to
- 15:47learn and test different types of solutions. And
- 15:49Illinois has been extremely progressive in expanding access
- 15:52to care for moms. So they've, recently covered
- 15:56doulas under Medicaid, lactation consultants, midwives,
- 16:00which is fantastic, and we're really excited about
- 16:02that. So we've been looking at solutions that
- 16:04can you continue to expand,
- 16:07those types of nontraditional
- 16:08services
- 16:09and really see if that helps build trust
- 16:11and engagement.
- 16:13Outside of that, we're just continuing to look
- 16:15at where are there, again, gaps
- 16:18in, health care
- 16:20engagement and or
- 16:22outcomes performance. So if we're seeing that, you
- 16:24know, a certain age group, for instance, children
- 16:27ages
- 16:2818 to 30 aren't going to their well
- 16:31child visits and we're seeing that, again, more
- 16:34care is being sought in acute settings.
- 16:36That's an area where we're looking to fill
- 16:38the gap and and create a program. So,
- 16:41I'd say, again, it's really based on what
- 16:44we're seeing in the current state and our
- 16:46populations are continuing to change. Right? We we
- 16:49just went through
- 16:50the post, public health emergency redetermination
- 16:53where,
- 16:54a lot of people lost coverage and,
- 16:57we're seeing the membership
- 16:59and the, health care trends shift a little.
- 17:01And, I anticipate that's gonna continue as we
- 17:04see some of the other changes that have
- 17:05come through federal policy as well. So just
- 17:08keeping a pulse on that.
- 17:11But really our intent and objective is to
- 17:13have true population health programming
- 17:16for every age and every stage. I actually,
- 17:19one of my
- 17:20friends from, a health care
- 17:23provider said from
- 17:25twinkle to wrinkle, which I absolutely loved. I
- 17:27hadn't heard that that terminology before. But, surely,
- 17:31every age in life, every,
- 17:33acuity stage across the continuum,
- 17:36whether you're walking well or whether you have
- 17:39a chronic condition,
- 17:40we're looking to have a tailored solution for
- 17:43every kind of subgroup that we can identify.
- 17:46So
- 17:47that's the aim. That's what we're continuing to
- 17:48focus on and, of course, all tied
- 17:51to value and tied to improving health outcomes.
- 17:54I've also never heard that terminology
- 17:56either, but, that's a really interesting way to
- 17:59put it.
- 18:00I would love to hear if you have
- 18:02any final thoughts,
- 18:03or advice for other industry leaders, you know,
- 18:06in Medicaid or even beyond as they navigate
- 18:08these types of solutions.
- 18:11Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, I would say
- 18:13and I think many of us or most
- 18:14of us know this. There really is no
- 18:16one size fits all. Medicaid is such a
- 18:18unique population, and there are so many exacerbated
- 18:21social needs layered throughout that,
- 18:24many approaches that work for other lines of
- 18:27business and insurance don't work for the Medicaid
- 18:29population. And so we all just need to
- 18:31be cognizant of that and continue to tailor
- 18:33our solutions to include
- 18:35cultural competence, building trust,
- 18:38meeting members where they are in the modalities
- 18:40that they prefer, and not assuming that we
- 18:43know them, but truly having,
- 18:46responsive bidirectional feedback channels that allow us to
- 18:50understand
- 18:51the current state of our members and how
- 18:53they wanna engage. And then offering
- 18:55nimble platforms that are self-service,
- 18:58but also high touch where needed. So again,
- 19:01it's really all all centered on simplifying the
- 19:04member experience,
- 19:05enabling our members to feel empowered and taking
- 19:08control of their health care.
- 19:10And that really just leads to success all
- 19:13around.
- 19:14So that would be
- 19:15my
- 19:16advice for industry leaders is,
- 19:19even if something has existed for thirty years,
- 19:23if it hasn't worked the way you wanted
- 19:25it to, sometimes you just have to dismantle
- 19:27it and rebuild it.
- 19:29Well, thank you so much, Melanie, for joining
- 19:31us today. This was such a great conversation.
- 19:33Thank you for having me. It was fun
- 19:36to participate,
- 19:37and I hope everyone derives some value from
- 19:40from a part of it.
- 19:42Oh, absolutely.
- 19:43And to our listeners, if you'd like to
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