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Set 2: The Nicest Way to Lose (w/ Mike Golic) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Mike Golick Sr. is with us. Golick and Golick, 10
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  Speaker 1: to noon Eastern, every day on ESPN Radio. I was
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: just listening because I love listening to the show. What's
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  Speaker 1: the matter, Mikey? Why are you shaking your head? That's
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  Speaker 1: not the name.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's the name of the show.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: The Goliks. The Goliks. I'm sorry. 10 to noon Eastern.
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  Speaker 1: I keep calling it Golik and Golik, and we just
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: had Gojo on the other day, and I got it right. Yes. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying last name, so I'm just kind of letting
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  Speaker 2: it slide.
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  Speaker 1: I know you are. I was just listening to my
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  Speaker 1: favorite radio show, Golik and Golik, 10 to noon Eastern
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: on ESPN radio, and Mike Golik Sr. said something that
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: made me laugh out loud. He does not fully believe
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: in the concept of delivery food companies yet. What are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: No, no.
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  Speaker 2: It's lazy. If you want something, go get it. Spending
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  Speaker 2: extra money. You're already buying something. Spending extra money to
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  Speaker 2: have it delivered. I know the whole convenience thing. I
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  Speaker 2: get it in certain situations.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I always go back to my daughter. One year
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  Speaker 2: in college, she had A Sprite delivered. I mean, odd drink. Now,
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  Speaker 2: it was probably alcohol related.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I would imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But still, I mean, yes, I have not bought into
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  Speaker 2: food delivery service at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. But when you need something to kind of mix
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  Speaker 1: up with your vodka, then you need something, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Gotta have that watch.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, Mikey, so how do you feel about his stance
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  Speaker 1: on this? If you want something, go pick it up.
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  Speaker 4: I play this game almost nightly when we're going to
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  Speaker 4: order out where I go. I could spend $ 100 and
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  Speaker 4: it gets delivered, or I could spend $ 75 and go
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  Speaker 4: get it. And there are days, Mike, I'm very happy
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  Speaker 4: to pay the extra $ 25 to not.
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  Speaker 1: Have to leave. No, listen, I get it.
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  Speaker 2: I have just never put myself in that situation. I've
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  Speaker 2: just always been in the yoke. I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: pick it up. Because we'll order something here as a family,
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  Speaker 2: and the kids will go, like Sidney will go pick
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  Speaker 2: up our derby. I'm like, hell no, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: pick it up. No, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor, I see you shaking your head there. What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: I'm on the side of always getting in the car
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  Speaker 3: and picking it up because it gives me more time
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  Speaker 3: to listen to the Gullicks.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, jeez.
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  Speaker 4: 10 to noon Eastern on ESPN Radio.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Or available podcast, wherever you get your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you, there is something to this. I
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  Speaker 1: do like picking up my own food. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: my food sitting in a stranger's car. That much, I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you on that, Mike. I just don't know
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  Speaker 1: these people. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, could the person be picking out fries as
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  Speaker 2: he's driving to your house?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yes. I mean, who knows? You don't know? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because I know I am.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: When I pick it up, I am.
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  Speaker 2: I would be fired on my first day of delivery
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  Speaker 2: because they'd get half their food.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Mike, we'll get to the NFL here in just
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  Speaker 1: a second. And I know we're all moving forward here.
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  Speaker 1: It's Wednesday. It's time to look ahead to the next week.
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  Speaker 1: I want to look back for a second. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you don't. but put us there at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the BYU-Notre Dame game. You were on the call. I
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  Speaker 1: asked the guys to try to find the call, and
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't find it, so I'm interested. Take us through
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  Speaker 1: the emotions. Take us through your call as Notre Dame
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  Speaker 1: was robbed at BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, listen, BYU played a better game. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they did. And then Notre Dame found themselves up 24-21.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, Notre Dame left a lot on the field,
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  Speaker 2: both offensively and defensively, especially offensively, having BYU turnovers turn
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  Speaker 2: into no points or just field goals. And nobody knows
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  Speaker 2: that more than Notre Dame themselves because they have a
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  Speaker 2: bye this week, which is the worst thing you can
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  Speaker 2: have after a game like that. You got to sit
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  Speaker 2: there and eat it all week and look at the
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  Speaker 2: mistakes and defensively. Listen, they couldn't contain Bear Bachmeier, the
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  Speaker 2: all-everything quarterback for BYU. All that being said, they found
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  Speaker 2: themselves with a three-point lead and needed to stop BYU.
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  Speaker 2: And they couldn't stop them. BYU takes the lead, but
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  Speaker 2: then Notre Dame goes down the field, as we know,
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  Speaker 2: and they have a play from the eight-yard line with
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  Speaker 2: four seconds to go. Now, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people that are talking about defensive pass interference. As a
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  Speaker 2: former defensive player, I'm Normally OK with keeping the flag
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  Speaker 2: in your pocket. And if you look, the defender had
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  Speaker 2: his hand on the offensive receiver, Jaden Greathouse. But Greathouse
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  Speaker 2: also had his hand. He was holding the left wrist
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  Speaker 2: of the defender.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like they're kind of holding each other. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not I'm not going to throw the flag. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: and Notre Dame people may dislike me for that. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to. And, you know, always saying it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't come down to one play. It doesn't, especially in
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  Speaker 2: a judgment call. If you're trying to put the game
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  Speaker 2: on a judgment call, that's your bad. Now, the fact
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  Speaker 2: that factually there was a second left on the clock,
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  Speaker 2: and God knows we've dealt with a second getting put
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  Speaker 2: back on the clock in other games, IEC Michigan and
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  Speaker 2: Western Michigan. And the Big 12 came out with a
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  Speaker 2: statement saying they blew it. that there should have been
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  Speaker 2: one more play. Notre Dame should have had one more
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  Speaker 2: play on the eight-yard line, and who knows what would
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  Speaker 2: have happened. But that, to me, was the more egregious
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  Speaker 2: thing than a judgment defensive pass interference. There was clearly
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  Speaker 2: one second on the clock when the ball hit the ground.
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  Speaker 4: Mike, how important is that game, November 7th, hosting Miami
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  Speaker 4: going to be now, considering Notre Dame has two games
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  Speaker 4: on its schedule that are considered tough games?
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  Speaker 1: And they've already lost one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of like last year, losing to
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  Speaker 2: Texas A & M and Miami right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 2: Had two losses and then got left out of the
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  Speaker 2: tournament at the end. They're still ranked fourth AP wise.
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  Speaker 2: And I know AP doesn't determine the playoffs. It's the,
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  Speaker 2: it's the committee that does it. I thought they might
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  Speaker 2: drop far further.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't.
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  Speaker 2: But again, it's up to the committee. I would say, listen, it,
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  Speaker 2: They put it so, and their motto has been leave
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  Speaker 2: no doubt because of last year.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now if they beat Miami, there's no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be in without question. Yeah. Beating a number one
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  Speaker 2: team and then losing to the number two team. If
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  Speaker 2: they were to lose to Miami in a close game,
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  Speaker 2: it will kind of be like last year. It'll come
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  Speaker 2: down to what the committee thinks of other teams. Because
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  Speaker 2: what did we just see? Five of the top eight
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  Speaker 2: teams in the country lost last week. Yep. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's figure out who the top team is. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's tough to do. So I think if Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: were to lose to Miami in a close game, it
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  Speaker 2: would come down to what the other teams are doing
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  Speaker 2: as well. Win and they're going to be in for sure,
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  Speaker 2: as long as they get by their last games as well.
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  Speaker 2: But lose and they're going to be in the same
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  Speaker 2: situation they were in last year, kind of holding their
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  Speaker 2: breath on the final day.
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  Speaker 1: We have breaking news. Very exciting. We've never had breaking
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  Speaker 1: news while speaking to Mike Golick. Senior Taylor, take it away.
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  Speaker 1: Give Mike Golick, Senior, the breaking news and let's get
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  Speaker 1: his reaction.
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  Speaker 3: So, Mike, this is according to Jeremy Fowler from ESPN.
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  Speaker 3: The New York Giants plan to start quarterback J.J. McCarthy
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  Speaker 3: this Sunday versus the Texans. Your thoughts?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think that's the right move. JJ,
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  Speaker 2: and I have no idea if it's going to help.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the right move because, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 2: they found their quarterback in JJ McCarthy. Let's all know
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  Speaker 2: the history of JJ McCarthy. It's not a long history
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL, and it's not a great history in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL by any stretch. But we know, I think
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  Speaker 2: this is more about we know what Jameis Winston brings. A,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't bring a ton of mobility, and B, he
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  Speaker 2: turns the ball over. and the quarterbacks have been sacked
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  Speaker 2: 18 times by the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: J.J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy has a little more escapability to move around that,
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  Speaker 2: and you kind of cross your fingers on the play.
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  Speaker 2: I know we threw for 200-plus yards in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let that fool you. I mean, he has had
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  Speaker 2: some down moments in the NFL, some up moments when
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  Speaker 2: he was the NFC player of the week one week
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  Speaker 2: when everybody thought, oh, my God, what a pick, but
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  Speaker 2: now he's on a different team, so... Let's relax and
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  Speaker 2: hold our breath. The one thing you can do when
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  Speaker 2: you're basically talking about two backups, you can switch back
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  Speaker 2: and forth if you need to.
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  Speaker 1: If J.J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy struggles, put Jameis back in. If Jameis struggles, put J.J.
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  Speaker 1: Back in.
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  Speaker 2: You're not worried about anybody's mental state at this point.
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  Speaker 2: in being pulled. So I do think this is the
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  Speaker 2: right move for the, by the way, division-leading New York Giants.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. Mike, how quickly the conversation has shifted
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  Speaker 1: from the Rams. Will they go undefeated this year? Will
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  Speaker 1: they go 17-0? Now we're talking about will the Rams
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs? Should they be concerned, Mike? Because that
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  Speaker 1: NFC is loaded, and if they're going to get in,
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  Speaker 1: it's not winning that division. It will be through a
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  Speaker 1: wild-card spot. Boy, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, Matthew Stafford coming off an MVP year. You look
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  Speaker 2: at their offense. Kyron Williams you know, kind of complained
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  Speaker 2: a little bit when asked what could help. And he said,
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  Speaker 2: me being on the field more, basically splitting some time
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  Speaker 2: with Blake Corum. Understand the Rams use 12 and 13 personnel,
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  Speaker 2: which is two and three tight ends, a lot. Devontae
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  Speaker 2: Adams now has a hamstring injury issue. Puka Nakua, while
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  Speaker 2: a great receiver, he is not this speedy, deep threat.
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  Speaker 2: They don't really have a speedy, deep threat to take
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  Speaker 2: the top off of a defense. They have two and
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  Speaker 2: three tight ends out there at a time, and Puka Nakua,
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  Speaker 2: who gets 1,000 targets. So it kind of lacks the
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  Speaker 2: big playability there.
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  Speaker 1: Of an offense.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said, there are other teams in the
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  Speaker 2: NFC that are playing extremely well. So, and defensively, we
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  Speaker 2: still haven't had miles Garrett and Aaron Donald playing a
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  Speaker 2: game together. Who knows when they will, they just lost
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  Speaker 2: two more D linemen. So they're, they're hurting. They're getting
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  Speaker 2: hit by the injury bug, but nobody can complain about
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  Speaker 2: the injury bug because nobody's hurt more than San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: and they're undefeated. Right. So that, that kills anybody saying
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  Speaker 2: anything about, Oh, we have injuries unless obviously it's a quarterback. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I still think they're good enough to make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: But anybody and I was not one of them who
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  Speaker 2: was saying, oh, my God, 17 and 0. Boy, oh, boy,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of looks foolish right now.
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  Speaker 4: Mike, the Kyron Williams thing to me is kind of
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  Speaker 4: getting a little bit glossed over. Here you have a
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  Speaker 4: running back who's complaining about his timeshare. What do you
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: do if you're Sean McVay? Because if you give him
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  Speaker 4: more carries, then that's telling everybody, hey, if you complain
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  Speaker 4: to the media, I'm going to give in. And if
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  Speaker 4: you don't, then maybe you're going to make one of
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  Speaker 4: your better players disgruntled.
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  Speaker 2: This is when you have to have a conversation with him, right? Now,
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  Speaker 2: he catches the ball way more than Blake Horne does.
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  Speaker 2: He's a better receiver. And he has more runs than
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  Speaker 2: him during the season. This is when you have a
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  Speaker 2: coach-player relationship to try and explain what the situation is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's up to both of those, player and coach,
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  Speaker 2: to work it out and have an understanding because you
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  Speaker 2: don't want anybody disgruntled. You saw what happened in New York.
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  Speaker 2: Najee Harris complained a little bit and got cut.
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  Speaker 1: Bye. Yep. I mean, unbelievable. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how I'm supposed to get momentum. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 2: now how are you going to get momentum sitting.
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  Speaker 1: On the couch? Right?
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  Speaker 2: So there's a time and a place to speak up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Mike, we have such a good Thursday night game tomorrow
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  Speaker 3: between the Patriots and the Bears, Caleb Williams, Drake May.
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  Speaker 3: Would you say the winner of tomorrow night's Bears-Patriots game
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  Speaker 3: becomes the consensus number one overall pick in a 2024
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  Speaker 3: NFL draft redraft?
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  Speaker 1: I hate you.
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  Speaker 2: What were they, one and three?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels in between them.
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  Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels sandwiched in between them. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, one and three. How are you going to pick
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  Speaker 2: between one and three?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, listen.
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  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams with Ben Johnson, if he stays healthy, Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Williams will be the first Bears quarterback to throw for
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  Speaker 2: over 4,000 yards. Not this year because he missed three games,
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  Speaker 2: so it's not going to happen this year. But he's
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  Speaker 2: going to. He's already– lived up to one of Ben
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  Speaker 2: Johnson's predictions of completing more than 70%. He's still got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of season to go. And Drake May we
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  Speaker 2: know was inconsistent at the beginning of the year. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: for both teams, they both end up being great quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: But Caleb Williams certainly has the bigger wow factor at
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  Speaker 2: this point.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, are you as confused about the Jalen Hurts situation
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  Speaker 1: as everyone else is?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are times you can play doctor on
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  Speaker 2: radio or TV, play internet doctor.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't one of them.
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  Speaker 2: For an NFL player, you know if you've got a wrist,
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  Speaker 2: a shoulder, an elbow, a knee, you know the rehab
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  Speaker 2: and you know the time you're going to be out. Man,
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  Speaker 2: a blood clot, especially a superficial blood clot, which isn't
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  Speaker 2: a deep vein thrombosis blood clot like Wemby had. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know there was a difference in blood clots. And
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  Speaker 2: now I'm reading, okay, should you travel? Should you take
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  Speaker 2: long flights? Should you rest? Should you sleep? Should you move? Man,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And the NFL has already said there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be no investigation. We're pretty cool with what
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  Speaker 2: Philly did. The NFLPA is doing exactly what the NFLPA
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  Speaker 2: is doing and saying, we need to look at this.
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  Speaker 2: Because if nothing else, you put a guy on a
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  Speaker 2: plane for a long frickin' plane flight with a blood
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  Speaker 2: clot when all of a sudden he landed and it
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  Speaker 2: was in his lungs. So what the hell are we
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  Speaker 2: doing here?
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  Speaker 1: And you told him to play. You told him not
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  Speaker 1: to sleep and play football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was an independent doctor who ESPN interviewed
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  Speaker 2: who has nothing to do with this case, just talking
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  Speaker 2: about the situation. And he was saying with a superficial
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  Speaker 2: blood clot, Movement is okay. But is movement walking down
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  Speaker 2: your driveway or playing in an NFL football game? There's
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  Speaker 2: a big difference of movement. And I don't know the
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  Speaker 2: answer to that. This isn't one where we can play
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  Speaker 2: internet doctor and say, oh, yeah, this should have been done.
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  Speaker 2: But it should be investigated for all the steps that
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  Speaker 2: were taken.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's such a great point by you. It's movement just, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired. I want to get up and take a
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  Speaker 1: little stroll around the block. Right. A light stroll. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or I want to be chased down by big linemen
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  Speaker 2: for 60 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. But listen, we love doctors. We shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: play doctors on the radio. We have no idea. I'm
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: just telling you, Chris Bosh had blood clots. And he
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: told me movement bad, flying terrible. Like, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: We know flying is terrible for it, for sure. So
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  Speaker 2: this should be looked at, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Mike, I'm wondering here, a second Buffalo Bill player has
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: been suspended here for spitting. And I am wondering, when
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  Speaker 1: you were playing, it was a different time. Did anyone
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  Speaker 1: ever spit in your face?
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  Speaker 2: No, nobody spit in my face. I don't recall any
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: spitting cases.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, incidents.
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  Speaker 2: We just, we just cheap shot it.
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  Speaker 1: But like, that's like, that's the most insulting for like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to spit on someone, expect what's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen to you on the back end of it. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I can't even fathom doing that or watching a teammate
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  Speaker 2: or opposing team player do that. And just be disgusted
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  Speaker 2: with that display. It's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: It is embarrassing to do that. And then to get tossed,
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  Speaker 2: you know, flagged from it, tossed from a game, whatever
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  Speaker 2: comes from it. You deserve anything you get from it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: It is, I mean, you have to think about doing that.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: You think about actually spitting on someone. And yeah, it
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't hurt the person, I get that. But it is
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest cop-out, cowardly things you can do.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Mike, the Texans got off to an 0-4 start. They
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: have won two straight. We know the defense is good.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: The question was C.J. Stroud. He's been great. Can you
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: see the Texans still, even at 2-4, making it to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, making a deep run in the playoffs? Because
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I can. The Texans are good, Mike.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Texans are good.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: How they were 0-2, 0-3 the last couple of years,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and they still make the playoffs. I know they were 0-4,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: but that division outside of Jacksonville isn't the most stacked
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: division in the world. So the question will be, Will
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you get two teams out of that division, right?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: You'll probably get two out of the east. Will you
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: get two out of the north where every team has
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a winning record? Will you get two out of the south?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And how many will you get out of the west
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: with Kansas City being undefeated and Denver having two losses?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: So that's what it's going to come down to. But
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: do they have the ability to?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: As a former defensive player, you have a great defense.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I think you're always going to be in it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And C.J.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Stroud is playing pretty well right now.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Mike, Ryan Day was asked about Julian Sane's injury, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: he said Ohio State is planning to be without the
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: quarterback throughout the postseason. Is that a final nail in
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the coffin for this Ohio State season, or do you
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: think they still couldn't reach national title goals without Sane?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it'll be tough. I mean, you have
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: great talent around you, but Sane did have 17 touchdowns
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and two interceptions. Now, when you have Jeremiah Smith, that
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: certainly helps, right? So Luke Fahey goes in, the true freshman.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: A lot wasn't asked of him. And he's 5'11, 206.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: You have Tavian St. Clair, 6'4, 235. Two completely different quarterbacks. They,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to look at the glass
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: half full instead of cracked and leaking with your starting
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: quarterback out, and you've got to play the next game,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: so you have to look at the glass half full.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: They have a bye this week. And a bye normally
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: means you self-scout. So they have actually a week, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Ryan Day said they're going to both get first-team reps,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: and they actually are going to have a decent amount,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a whole week of not having to game plan for
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: USC in two weeks until next week. So by then,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: they can decide who a starting quarterback is. If this
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: was a normal week, they'd have to start game planning
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and have to make a quicker decision. They have a
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: whole week now to self-scout, give both these guys some
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: equal reps, and see who they want to go it
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean they won't be interchangeable but they found themselves
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: it for the bad situation that they're in losing julian
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: sand a pretty good situation to figure out who the
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: next quarterback is going to be.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: All right we'll get you out of here uh in
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: just a second uh i am wondering mike if you
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: agree with this i was ripping indiana fans they have
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: no right to look that distraught after losing a close
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: game at home against ohio state You won a national
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: championship a year ago. You're the defending national champs. This
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is not like a football program that has a storied
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: history that plays meaningful games every year. They were the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: worst college football program in the history of the sport
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: before they won a national championship game, before they won
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a national championship. And I think Indiana fans, even while losing,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: should have a smile on their face. Do you agree?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do agree. I mean, but but, you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: they were the national champs. So the expectations are certainly
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: up there. And I mean, poor Nick Marsh, I mean,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: catches what would have been the winning touchdown pass. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: he's got half of his foot out of bounds. That
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: was just brutal. Yes. I'm okay with them being upset
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: because expectations are high in Indiana, and that's fine. And
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: that was a hell of a game. Do you know
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: right now there are two undefeated teams in the Big Ten?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, which is not a shock, and UCLA. UCLA
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: only has one ranked team on their schedule the rest
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of the way, and that's the last game against USC.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: They could easily be your rep in the Big Ten
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: championship game.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. You agree with Mike Norvell? He has a right
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to be upset about that call or no? About the...
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Two final plays against Miami this past weekend. Did you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: see them? The Hail Marys? Oh, you know what?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't see him.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I was getting ready.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. You were watching Notre Dame lose to BYU.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You had to say it like that?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You had to say it like that? Are we done
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: with this segment?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I said I defended him. I said Notre Dame was robbed.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: He went to Notre Dame. He didn't say it. I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: said it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Do you think that was pass interference?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I found it odd that the referees get together, discuss
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the call, and one of the options is not, hey,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: maybe the FSU receiver caught it. It wasn't even discussed
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: in the replay booth. Gino Toretta, I'll tell you, played
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: at UM, as you know, won a Heisman Trophy and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: two national championships. He thought that Florida State caught the ball.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: He did. Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, not disgust. It was kind of like the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame game with a second left on the clock.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Not even disgust.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Not even not even brought up. So, yeah, it's tough,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: especially for a Florida State team who, you know, a
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago got screwed out of the playoffs
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because their quarterback was hurt.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And again, I mean, if you're the refs and the
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: players are already the fans already on the field, you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Kind of like, ah, let's just let me tell you,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you know, to your point. If they would have determined
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: there was a second left on the clock, it would
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: have been at least a half hour before they ran
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that play.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Because those fans at BYU were not going to stop
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: running on the field at all. That would have been bedlam.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. Mikey, were you pointing out, was that the Ohio
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: State game where the Canes were celebrating like they won
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: a national championship, and then the refs did throw a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: flag five seconds after the celebration and said you didn't
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: win it, Ohio State won. Yes.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I just picture the refs being like, hey guys, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: think there was a second. And they look around and
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: they're kind of like, We could just leave.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We could just get out.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Of here.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: What gets us home the quickest? Go ahead, Taylor, on
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the way out here.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: When Notre Dame loses to BYU, does it make it
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: worse that the BYU fan base seems so nice? It's
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: almost like you'd rather somebody insult you to your face
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: than smile at you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I take the team bus over, so
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I'm walking in with the team, and The fans that
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you're walking through and the workers are so nice.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: They're like fist bumping, and I almost squared up thinking
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: they were being sarcastic, and I was ready to fight.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, wait a minute, they're being sincere.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: They're like sincerely one of the nicest groups I've ever
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: seen in my life.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: It was amazing. Bastards. Yeah. They were overselling it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: They showed some BYU students like actually– congratulating Notre Dame
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: players on the field. Like, Hey, good game. Instead of
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: like giving them the finger and just being in their face.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, my God.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Right. It's the one most beautiful settings with the mountains
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: in the background.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Gorgeous.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And the people are unbelievably nice.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yes. I'd prefer. I don't like it. I'm with Taylor
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: on this. Spit in my face.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: You prefer what happened with Texas and Florida.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. All right. Check them out. The goal, extend
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to noon Eastern on ESPN Radio. We got it right. Mike,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: thanks for doing this. We're coming up for Notre Dame Miami.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: You said no. Theismann said no. And now I'm on
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the Brady quid. We'll see you there.