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- 0:00Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I'm expecting gold to perform very
- 0:03Speaker 1: well for the next few years. You know, we're on
- 0:06Speaker 1: pace to I did the calculation a few days ago,
- 0:09Speaker 1: but I over thirty percent. Get over a thirty percent
- 0:11Speaker 1: return this year, and gold might be thirty five percent,
- 0:14Speaker 1: which is basically going to be its best annual return
- 0:17Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy nine.
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- 0:56Speaker 3: Alan Hibbertgoldsilver dot com. Allen, great to have you back
- 1:00Speaker 3: on the shows. So when does the fun? Is the
- 1:04Speaker 3: fun going to get pick up even more?
- 1:06Speaker 4: We're going to see.
- 1:07Speaker 3: Higher highs or are we going to get to a
- 1:09Speaker 3: point where we're going to have a pullback?
- 1:11Speaker 1: And if so, when you think that's going to be Yeah, hey, Kerry, well,
- 1:14Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Yeah, we are having fun already.
- 1:18Speaker 1: I think there's more fun in store, certainly for anyone
- 1:21Speaker 1: holding gold and silver. You know another question, that's that's
- 1:25Speaker 1: probably going to pick up soon. It's very hard to
- 1:28Speaker 1: put a timeline on that, but yeah, I mean, I'm
- 1:30Speaker 1: expecting gold to perform very well for the next few years.
- 1:34Speaker 1: You know, we're on pace to I did the calculation
- 1:37Speaker 1: a few days ago, but I over thirty percent, get
- 1:40Speaker 1: over a thirty percent return this year, and gold might
- 1:42Speaker 1: be thirty five percent, which is basically going to be
- 1:45Speaker 1: its best annual return since nineteen seventy nine, and in
- 1:48Speaker 1: that year it more than doubled. It had over a
- 1:50Speaker 1: one hundred percent return in nineteen seventy nine. So gold
- 1:53Speaker 1: is performing very well and it doesn't look like we're
- 1:56Speaker 1: at the end of the bold market yet. And of course,
- 1:59Speaker 1: this is all coming from tremendous global uncertainty. Like you
- 2:02Speaker 1: can name just about any country on the planet and
- 2:05Speaker 1: it has some form of crisis or more than one.
- 2:08Speaker 5: So I think it's going to continue.
- 2:10Speaker 1: Very hard to put a price on the stopping point,
- 2:13Speaker 1: or a date for that matter, but I think we've
- 2:15Speaker 1: got a few more years and a lot, a lot
- 2:17Speaker 1: of percentages to go.
- 2:19Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about silver. The party is
- 2:24Speaker 3: just getting started for silver. We broke thirty two bucks.
- 2:28Speaker 3: Thirty five seems to be the psychological number that we've
- 2:32Speaker 3: got to hit, and we got to stay above it
- 2:34Speaker 3: monthly close over thirty looks like it's baked into the
- 2:38Speaker 3: cake for September.
- 2:41Speaker 1: When is the party getting started for silver? Yeah, that's
- 2:44Speaker 1: everybody's question. People haven't want to drink that for years. Unfortunately,
- 2:48Speaker 1: it's been it's been a tough stretch for silver holders.
- 2:51Speaker 1: And remember, I'm sure anyone holding silver knows this, but
- 2:54Speaker 1: you know, the all time high for silver is you know,
- 2:56Speaker 1: around fifty dollars, which has happened twice, you know, in
- 2:59Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and then again in twenty eleven. So, I mean,
- 3:02Speaker 1: there's this tremendous energy built up in silver that this
- 3:06Speaker 1: forty four year cup and handle pattern, and investors have
- 3:10Speaker 1: been waiting like when am I going to see you know,
- 3:13Speaker 1: nominal gains for that matter, for anyone who bought at
- 3:15Speaker 1: the top, but certainly the inflation adjusted real gains. I mean,
- 3:19Speaker 1: there's just been so much pressure built up in the
- 3:21Speaker 1: silver market, and I think it's coming very soon. For
- 3:25Speaker 1: the last three and a half almost four years now,
- 3:28Speaker 1: we've had a structural deficit in the silver market. So
- 3:31Speaker 1: the demand for silver for industrial uses and monetary uses
- 3:36Speaker 1: has exceeded the available supply, So we're consuming more of
- 3:40Speaker 1: the silver than we're digging up out of the ground. So,
- 3:43Speaker 1: since it's obviously a physical metal, you know, eventually you
- 3:47Speaker 1: run out of it, and as you get closer to
- 3:49Speaker 1: running out of it, supply demand forces takeover and you've
- 3:53Speaker 1: got to pay more for the silver that's left.
- 3:56Speaker 5: So we're seeing that happening now.
- 3:58Speaker 1: It is playing out, and of course the percentage games
- 4:00Speaker 1: on silver are pretty impressive this year, around the same
- 4:03Speaker 1: as gold actually so, so it is already taking off
- 4:06Speaker 1: a little bit. It's just so far suppressed from its
- 4:09Speaker 1: all time highs that not many people are paying attention
- 4:11Speaker 1: to it. But when it takes off like a rocket,
- 4:13Speaker 1: people will, and that's coming soon. So what's what's your
- 4:17Speaker 1: target number for silver? I try not to do target numbers,
- 4:22Speaker 1: but they also have to be they also have to
- 4:24Speaker 1: be accompanied by a timeline, right, otherwise they're kind of meaningless.
- 4:27Speaker 1: So I mean, I could say, you know, silver's going
- 4:28Speaker 1: to one hundred bucks, but the question is when. And
- 4:31Speaker 1: you know, I do think it will hit one hundred
- 4:33Speaker 1: dollars eventually, but you know, in order to triple from
- 4:35Speaker 1: where we're at, boy, how long does that take?
- 4:37Speaker 5: A few years?
- 4:39Speaker 3: Eric Sproat says three hundred dollars silver, and I learned
- 4:44Speaker 3: never bet against Eric Sprott potentially the next Elon Musk.
- 4:48Speaker 3: But in terms of total financial wealth, when all of
- 4:52Speaker 3: these bets that he's made over the past several decades
- 4:56Speaker 3: start to pay.
- 4:56Speaker 4: Off, which I believe they will.
- 4:58Speaker 3: But you know, they always say, if you want to
- 5:01Speaker 3: be a successful forecaster, you could predict what's going to happen,
- 5:06Speaker 3: or you could predict when it's going to happen, but
- 5:09Speaker 3: never do both of them together because then you're going
- 5:11Speaker 3: to be wrong.
- 5:12Speaker 1: Right it wall exactly, Yeah's exactly it. And keep in
- 5:16Speaker 1: mind that when we forecast these prices, I mean, we're
- 5:19Speaker 1: making forecasts just as much about silver or gold as
- 5:22Speaker 1: we are about the dollar itself. So it's it's just
- 5:26Speaker 1: it's as much a question as you know, how many
- 5:28Speaker 1: dollars are they going to print? Are there are those
- 5:30Speaker 1: dollars going to flood back into the financial markets or
- 5:32Speaker 1: are they going to sit on balance sheets? So yeah,
- 5:36Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's a multifaceted question. And you know,
- 5:40Speaker 1: if you're going to ask like should I own dollars
- 5:43Speaker 1: or you treasuries or silver or gold? I mean I would,
- 5:47Speaker 1: you know, as I do. I own gold and silver
- 5:49Speaker 1: and not so much of the other stuff. So that's
- 5:52Speaker 1: sort of an easier decision.
- 5:53Speaker 3: And that's just wait, wait, wait, waiting, you know, like
- 5:58Speaker 3: the song goes Tom pet The waiting is the hardest part, right,
- 6:02Speaker 3: that's right? And how long do you wait? And when
- 6:05Speaker 3: do you sell? Because all markets, I don't care what
- 6:08Speaker 3: they are, eventually they go right. When they go parabolic,
- 6:15Speaker 3: then eventually they're going to go down, right, yeah, exactly.
- 6:19Speaker 1: So what's nice about gold in particular is it forms
- 6:22Speaker 1: this really nice rounded bottom and that it goes up
- 6:25Speaker 1: like a rocket. And that's sort of the pattern that repeats,
- 6:27Speaker 1: and those those rounded bottoms can take, you know, twenty
- 6:30Speaker 1: years of playout like it did from nineteen eighty to
- 6:32Speaker 1: two thousand, but there is that sort of like nice
- 6:35Speaker 1: predictable pattern to it. And when it does take up
- 6:37Speaker 1: like a rocket, okay, that's the time you sell. I
- 6:39Speaker 1: don't think we're quite there yet. I think we have
- 6:41Speaker 1: a few more years. But the question is, you know,
- 6:44Speaker 1: when you sell, where do you put your capital?
- 6:46Speaker 5: It's got to go somewhere.
- 6:47Speaker 1: And so to answer that question, I like to look
- 6:50Speaker 1: at the Dow goold ratio or similar ratios like that,
- 6:53Speaker 1: and when the dowgold ratio is really high, that means
- 6:56Speaker 1: the Dow has overperformed. So that's the time to sort
- 6:59Speaker 1: of get out of a Dow or get out of
- 7:01Speaker 1: stocks in general, and get into gold. And then when
- 7:03Speaker 1: that ratiow comes back down, that's gold outperforming the Dow
- 7:07Speaker 1: or outperforming stocks in general. And when that ratio sort
- 7:11Speaker 1: of bottoms or gets close, that's when you sell your
- 7:15Speaker 1: gold and get back into stocks. So that's sort of
- 7:18Speaker 1: the move I'm going to make. It takes, you know,
- 7:19Speaker 1: a decade or more for the ratio to move a
- 7:22Speaker 1: single direction, and then a decade or more for it
- 7:25Speaker 1: to move back, so you might be able to play
- 7:27Speaker 1: it two or three times throughout your investing career. So
- 7:31Speaker 1: that's my plan at least right now. Maybe something will change,
- 7:35Speaker 1: but you know, that's when I sell, is when that
- 7:37Speaker 1: ratio gets out of whack. And then sort of convert
- 7:40Speaker 1: my capital from one to the other.
- 7:42Speaker 3: Okay, I'll buy it, I'll buy it, all right. I
- 7:45Speaker 3: remember guest on the show Beiederman. I can't remember his
- 7:49Speaker 3: first name, might have been Charles Biederman, and he said
- 7:52Speaker 3: that at the time, right now, silver is the worst
- 7:57Speaker 3: investment in the world, but one day you're going to
- 7:59Speaker 3: wait up and silver will be the best investment in
- 8:03Speaker 3: the world. What do you think about that statement?
- 8:06Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's definitely how silver moves. It's extremely volatile.
- 8:10Speaker 1: So if you held if you held silver in the
- 8:12Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, that was the best performing asset, better than gold,
- 8:15Speaker 1: no question, and golded twenty five acts. So silver was
- 8:18Speaker 1: something like forty x. I think it moved from a
- 8:20Speaker 1: dollar twenty nine to over fifty dollars, like fifty two fifty,
- 8:24Speaker 1: so whatever that is. So it was the clear winner
- 8:26Speaker 1: for ten years. But then if you held it for
- 8:28Speaker 1: the next forty four years, you're still down. You're still
- 8:32Speaker 1: down for forty four years, so you'd be kicking yourself.
- 8:34Speaker 1: And you know, I'd love to meet the people who
- 8:37Speaker 1: have been holding for forty four years. What is their mindset?
- 8:41Speaker 1: You know, how do they still love it? Or are
- 8:43Speaker 1: they just you know, psychologically destroyed.
- 8:46Speaker 3: I think those people who've been holding for forty four
- 8:49Speaker 3: years probably they got buried with their silver exeterally.
- 8:55Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's possible. So I think that statement
- 8:58Speaker 1: is pretty good. I mean, and it does sort of
- 9:01Speaker 1: capture the essence of silver that it has these absolute
- 9:04Speaker 1: moonshot periods and then you just want to get out
- 9:07Speaker 1: and stay away from it. So I do expect something
- 9:11Speaker 1: like that to happen soon. It's looking like a coiled
- 9:13Speaker 1: spring right now. It's building a forty four year cup
- 9:15Speaker 1: in handle. I think it's going to take off like
- 9:17Speaker 1: a rocket and then I'm going to sell and who knows,
- 9:20Speaker 1: maybe never buy silver again the rest of my life
- 9:22Speaker 1: after that, and we'll go.
- 9:23Speaker 3: You'd be able to live off of your silver earnings, right,
- 9:27Speaker 3: that's right?
- 9:27Speaker 4: Hopefully? Yes? All right? So what about platinum.
- 9:33Speaker 3: I don't know how much you follow platinum, but if
- 9:35Speaker 3: you're like me, you follow it at least a little bit.
- 9:37Speaker 3: You got any thoughts about it? It is technically a
- 9:41Speaker 3: precious metal. In fact, they call it one of the
- 9:45Speaker 3: noble metals, like along with palladium, et cetera. So what's
- 9:49Speaker 3: your thoughts?
- 9:51Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't follow it too much. I definitely stick
- 9:54Speaker 1: to golden silver more so than anything else. So I
- 9:57Speaker 1: don't know if I could really offer up a great.
- 9:59Speaker 5: Comment on on that.
- 10:00Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe maybe I should just not say anything
- 10:04Speaker 1: so as not to steer anyone in the wrong direction.
- 10:06Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well, hey, I should just elucidate of
- 10:10Speaker 3: the noble metals. There's a bunch you never heard of,
- 10:13Speaker 3: like resthenium, roodium, we all know rhodium in that one.
- 10:17Speaker 4: Was like really high up there and then it crashed.
- 10:20Speaker 3: Silver is technically a noble metal, Palladium is platinum. They
- 10:25Speaker 3: even called gold a noble metal, but it's not really.
- 10:29Speaker 3: These are like noble white metals, as memium, as meium.
- 10:35Speaker 3: I don't even know what that is, aridium. I mean,
- 10:37Speaker 3: it's like crazy stuff here, but something to keep track of.
- 10:41Speaker 3: I just I'm going to buy one ounce of platinum
- 10:44Speaker 3: for the hell of it. But otherwise you're looking at
- 10:48Speaker 3: anything else to copper, nickel.
- 10:53Speaker 4: I know you're into precious metals, but I'm just curious
- 10:56Speaker 4: where your interests lead you.
- 10:59Speaker 1: Yeah, mostly into the precious metal, So I don't spend
- 11:01Speaker 1: a lot of time looking at the base metals or
- 11:03Speaker 1: anything like that only from only from a macro perspective,
- 11:06Speaker 1: not so much from an investment perspective, And it's sort
- 11:09Speaker 1: of how I look at a lot of other markets,
- 11:12Speaker 1: and a lot of my attention right now is focused
- 11:15Speaker 1: on the monetary system and what central banks are doing,
- 11:20Speaker 1: interest rates, a lot of fiscal moves by different governments.
- 11:24Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sort of looking at the global macro
- 11:26Speaker 1: picture making sure that my overall investment thesis isn't out
- 11:30Speaker 1: of whack. And yeah, it just seems like there's a
- 11:33Speaker 1: lot of tension building up in the markets. A lot
- 11:36Speaker 1: of governments are just going to inflate their currencies to zero,
- 11:39Speaker 1: try to spend their way out of their problems, even
- 11:41Speaker 1: though most of their problems are caused by spending.
- 11:44Speaker 3: So yeah, just sort of just what's that. Well, you
- 11:47Speaker 3: know what we call that, the cure is the disease. Yeah, yes, exactly.
- 11:52Speaker 3: So I don't think it's going to work.
- 11:54Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just sort of you know, waiting waiting
- 11:57Speaker 1: for the election, waiting for you know, tensions in Europe
- 12:00Speaker 1: in the Middle East to resolve some way hopefully, Yeah exactly.
- 12:06Speaker 1: So that's the thing is, I don't know what's going
- 12:08Speaker 1: to happen, and I'm just sort of waiting until there's
- 12:10Speaker 1: some kind of stability and some attractive place to put
- 12:14Speaker 1: my capital, you know, besides gold, silver and bitcoin, which
- 12:16Speaker 1: is really all I have right now.
- 12:18Speaker 3: He just remember, every cruise missile that gets fired is
- 12:21Speaker 3: five hundred ounce as a silver or five hundred grams
- 12:24Speaker 3: rather maybe five hundred grams bny ounces. So good for
- 12:29Speaker 3: precious metals, ballistic precious metals, giving new meaning to that term, right.
- 12:34Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, yeah, I mean you don't want to root
- 12:36Speaker 1: for that, Like, that's the tough spot to be in,
- 12:38Speaker 1: is Like, you know, as much as I as much
- 12:40Speaker 1: as I want the value of my portfolio to go up,
- 12:42Speaker 1: I don't want it to come at the cost of
- 12:44Speaker 1: you know, human suffering.
- 12:45Speaker 5: And you know I have no interest in being king
- 12:47Speaker 5: of the Ashes as it were.
- 12:48Speaker 1: So yeah, i'd gladly trade trade my fortune for for peace,
- 12:53Speaker 1: and you know, that's the world I want to live in.
- 12:55Speaker 1: But so, you know, in many ways, it's just a
- 12:57Speaker 1: hedge against what could happen, and I don't really know
- 13:00Speaker 1: what that is.
- 13:01Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, if all of us knew that, you know, well,
- 13:05Speaker 3: we'd probably be building bunkers now as we speak.
- 13:09Speaker 4: But you know some people are yeh.
- 13:13Speaker 3: Never underestimate the stupidity of mankind to do exactly the
- 13:19Speaker 3: wrong thing at the wrong time, but never underestimate the
- 13:23Speaker 3: ability of mankind to rescue itself at the last possible moment.
- 13:27Speaker 3: So let's hope for the best here. Hey, just tell
- 13:30Speaker 3: us again. Find you at goldsilver dot com. What else, Yeah,
- 13:35Speaker 3: it's you for us. Yeah, Goldsilver dot com and our
- 13:37Speaker 3: Goldsilver YouTube channel.
- 13:39Speaker 5: You can find everything there, all right.
- 13:41Speaker 4: Hey, it's always great having you on. Alan be well.
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- 14:09Speaker 5: Alan appreciate it. We'll talk to you and so Hey, thanks, Cary,
- 14:12Speaker 5: talk to you soon.
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