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Talks to Martin Parsons about his choice of Delta and the Bannermen (2/3) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker.
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  Quicker. Welcome back to Hamster with a
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  Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who Commentary Podcast.
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  I'm Martin Parsons, a wobbly alien who's been turned into a
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  humanoid for the length of this call.
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  And with me is Mr. Joe Ford, everybody's favorite camp
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  director. Joe, how are you?
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  Well, not entirely transformed into a human being when I'll
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  say, I can still say a little bit of a sort of wobbly around
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  your head. Yeah, sort of aupertune coming
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  out of your head. I did my best.
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  The booth's just behind you there, if you.
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  Want to just go for it one more time?
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  Oh, there we go. How beautiful you look.
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  Now you know, where did you find this body print?
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  Martin Parsons Just. Like a random bald man and this
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  came out. Oh, really?
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  Happy with it. I thought, you know, it was like
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  a a Zygon body print. You know that they had going
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  spare. You've got a job, lot.
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  Took one of those leftover porn stars from the BBV films.
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  Oh no, there's only one. And there's Joe Castleton every
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  time. I'd love to be able to turn into
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  Joe Castleton. That would be.
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  Brilliant. I've seen more of her tits and
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  Fanny than any woman I know. Do you know?
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  Because I don't watch porn so the only porn I've ever seen is
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  Zygon. It's really difficult to watch
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  the autumn films again when you're like, Oh yeah, there you
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  are. I've seen a lot of you and And
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  the same for the Is it Devil of Winter?
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  But what's got the guy who's in Zygon?
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  Oh yeah, he's. To see him and you're like, Oh
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  yeah, seen all of. You well bollock as well with
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  that too, you know. Well, we went and saw Joe
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  Carlson in a fabulous play. She was in a play with John
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  Dorney. It was a French farce.
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  When they were coming in and out of doors, she was playing their
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  old maid, and she was wonderful in it that.
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  Sounds incredible. Yeah.
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  What was it called? It was like it.
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  He was basically like a guy who had all of these different
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  girlfriends and they all turned up at his house at once and they
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  were coming in and out of doors and the maid was basically the
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  one that was trying to hide them all.
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  It was very funny. But oh, Boeing, Boeing, I think
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  that's what it was called. Oh, no, Boeing, Boeing.
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  That's it. That was the joke.
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  Sorry, but Joe Castle was in the bar afterwards and me and Mark
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  were like, Oh my God, there's Joe Castle.
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  I can't go up to her. I've seen her Fanny.
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  I can't go up to her and say Oh my God your tits look even more
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  amazing in real life. There's those interviews they do
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  in the making of where she's like, yeah, I really hope this
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  film wouldn't get released. And here we are.
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  It's it's out. Hey Martin, what all this has to
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  do with Delta and the bannermen, I've no idea.
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  No. Oh, although I do have to say
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  there has been an update. The moon of Delta Magna.
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  Now, in a moment of spectacular lunacy, the Time Lords decided
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  to play pool with planets, and Delta Magna has been renamed.
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  Ravalox, the doctor, the doctors doctor and Perry are walking all
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  over. Her all over Delta?
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  Yeah, exactly. Gosh.
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  She's got Tom Chapman inside her.
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  Oh. No, she's got Glenn Murphy on
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  top of her. Oh boy, Lucky Mayor.
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  She's got to put up with Tony Selby as well.
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  But there we go. And Joan Sims is going to weigh
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  her down a little bit. Tony Selby's trying to sneak in
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  and steal their treasures. Oh God.
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  Can we drag every Doctor Who story into this great narrative?
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  Honestly, this is just getting better and better.
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  Just this is this. Is wonderful, yeah.
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  And of course it all comes back to Mel again, doesn't it?
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  When she realises in the courtroom, you know, oh, how
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  utterly evil. Playing pool with planets, My
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  God. And then typical Steven Moffitt
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  fashion, it's very time behind me because she hasn't even met
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  Delta yet. No, that.
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  And that honestly does. If that were a Stephen Moffatt
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  story, just like, oh, that person we met who's the planet
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  we were on. Surprise you?
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  Oh, yeah, Probably. Yeah.
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  Has there been a line in this where she went?
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  You remind me of this moon I saw once, you know?
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  I mean, I wouldn't take that as a compliment, would you?
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  Have you, have you ever, did you, have you watched Twin
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  Peaks? You know, I do have a bit of
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  trouble with Twin Peaks. I think it's all right for the
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  first season and six episodes. They tie up the mystery.
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  I'm a bit balls. Then this isn't so much for you,
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  but it's just the bit. You get a character that ends up
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  turning into a doorknob, and later on, and later on someone's
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  just like, oh, that doorknob looks like Josie.
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  It's like this. It would be a line, just our
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  Twin Peaks line would be. Oh my God.
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  Yeah. Moon, you know.
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  Well, let's see where we end in Part 3 with this great
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  narrative. All right, the adventures of
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  Delta, the moon in the Time Lord plot.
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  To be continued, of course. No, I was like, yeah, I was
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  like, who's doing? Who's doing what?
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  No, I think I had to pause for a second because I was something
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  like, oh God, fly me to the moon.
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  That's where we end up. Yes, Delta ends up in the
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  Comedia Theatre in Brighton with Sylvester McCoy playing the sex
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  therapist. She's.
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  Like, don't I know you? With my wife and girl, we're so
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  obscure now, people haven't got a fucking clue what we're
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  talking about. Did you used to be a planet?
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  I say what a delicious moon. Oh God, You know the thing I
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  like about Delton the Bannerman is, is Keith Mcculloch's score.
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  It's a, it's a, it's a great score.
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  I mean, the use of the music in general is, and again, it's like
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  we haven't had this sort of, well, we'll get that right at
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  the end with the sort of original song, but even with the
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  use of the 50s songs and stuff, it's great.
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  Just hearing Mr. Sandman in in the store, it's, it's wonderful.
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  But we haven't had that sort of music underscoring since
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  Gunfighters. I was trying to think if we've
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  had it at all. Have we had music particularly?
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  There was a song in Oh no Remembrance is still to come.
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  Remember, it's still to come in the.
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  Cafe There is a song in there, isn't there?
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  I'm like, don't I think you're right.
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  Yeah, I think you could be right.
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  I think there's a song. There's a song in the Cafe and
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  Evil of the Daleks, but it's not really to do with the story, is
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  it? Depending on where the copyright
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  is. Depending on what I'm saying
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  with the remembrance of the Taleks.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  But oh, I mean, all of that Dick Parton stuff doing la, la, la.
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  It's great. It's.
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  Great. It's and again, it just adds to
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  that. You don't have to know that it's
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  the Dick, but like, you know, you're sort of, it doesn't
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  really matter. It's just if you don't, if you
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  know, it's sort of a funny little wink.
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  If you don't, it's a it's an energetic bit of music and I
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  think it just works for everybody.
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  And you've also got, hang on, it's a lollipop in there as
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  well. Lollipop I.
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  Think it is. I think it's all the cordette
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  stuff is in there. Yeah, yeah.
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  Sublime. Well, look, should we go and
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  enjoy this musical? And see?
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  I mean, we've managed to talk 10 minutes about BBV and all other
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  things, but I suppose we should eventually watch Delta and
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  Development at some point. Yeah, well, you know, why defer
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  your pleasures? Let's dive in head first before
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  Delta becomes a bloody moon. Right.
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  Are you going to? Oh, it's me, isn't it?
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  Yeah, sorry. Yes.
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  How would you like me to count this in?
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  Oh God. Character.
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  Any character. I was going to say, Ray, is that
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  is that inappropriate? Oh no.
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  In 321 Iron Eyes, stars explode. They explained so beautifully,
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  don't they? No.
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  These lovely power graphics. Look at them.
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  Well, this is something, I mean, the graphics, I mean, I know
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  that they're obviously dated and whatever, but I've never quite
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  understood why we had like, you know, model shot of the TARDIS.
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  Why can't we use this computer rendering of the TARDIS?
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  Because that doesn't look any worse than.
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  I mean, you know, it's better than Babylon 5 graphics like.
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  I well indeed. But I would have that between
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  every scene, I'd have that CGI TARDIS flying across because it
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  looks kind of cool. I just it feels weird that they
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  have all these elements, they don't use them.
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  They use it in time of the role and you don't know at the start
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  it's sort. Of In the Rainbow, Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, that's yeah. But that is that the only time
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  they use the CGI TARDIS? Well, I think.
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  What are those rocks that are sort of flying about the place
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  in the title sequence? Oh, my God.
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  It's Delta's moon. She's exploded and she's all
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  over the title sequence. Oh, man.
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  No, no, don't you worry. There'll be more.
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  OK. But yeah.
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  She can't end like that. No, the last of the shimmering
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  has exploded. What the explosion is.
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  Oh God. Now, do you know in Malcolm
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  Cole's novelisation, there was a misspelling and instead of the
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  doctor peering over that shelf, he ended up peeing over that
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  shelf? Did you know that?
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  No, I have. I remember having heard that as
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  a misspelling. I didn't realise it was from
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  there, so that's probably. Something I'd recommend you know
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  when someone's trying to murder you round.
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  A But when the guy explodes, that's how he has to put the
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  fire out. It's like, daughter, what are
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  you doing? You're pissing all over his blue
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  suede shoes, you know. I'm having a piss 3.
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  Hold, hold. The thought of the rest of McCoy
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  grabbing, grabbing his little 7th Doctor.
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  There's not enough puppets in Doctor Who, is there?
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  No, I like a good puppet, although it's actually Dragon
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  Fire's got puppets too, hasn't it in the in the cantina?
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  Oh, of course it does. It goes first.
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  McCoy does. Now, did you see the state of
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  that shimmer and puppet when it was auctioned off about 10 years
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  ago? Oh.
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  No it didn't. It had decayed if it looks like
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  a green bogey now, and now it looks like a mouldy green bogey.
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  So when people buy these things because they sort of rot, don't
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  they, because they're just rubber, it's like.
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  The brain as well. Someone bought the brain and it
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  was literally like it was sort of poo brown.
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  It was horrible. Now what would you do if you
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  sort of going on a date like that, taking your flowers in?
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  She was cradling what beautiful baby.
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  Oh, I'm all right. Thanks.
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  I'm going to go get the. I'm going to go and see if
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  Rachel's somewhere out there. You didn't put with child on
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  your profile. With really manky child, he's
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  like, would you like some roses? Would you like to eat them?
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  I don't know. The fades of the morning,
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  though, again, it's just something we don't do.
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  Doctor Who? You know.
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  And it's so it's, it's, it's they're thinking of new ways of
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  telling stories. Yeah, and I think the the McCoy
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  era, they do that thing, don't they?
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  Just like people go into bed and ace getting up and being like in
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  a pyjamas and stuff like that. That's really nice.
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  Yeah, in the novelisation of Remembrance of the Dalek, she
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  makes sure that her covers are down a little bit so we can have
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  a good look what kids were reading in the 80s.
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  I haven't read. I was thinking, I've not read
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  the novelization of this. I don't think I've read the
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  novelization of Remembrance. Actually, that's a banger.
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  This one is more sort of script page, but the script is such a
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  delight, why wouldn't you want to read it on the page?
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  No, we've not talked about Malcolm Colt.
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  So he, I, I've only seen one other thing he's done, which is
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  a African horror film called The Bone Snatcher, and he produced
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  and wrote it. Bone Snatcher.
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  It's not great. It's basically the plot is like,
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  there are these scientists out in the desert in Namibia, I
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  think, and they basically are getting attacked by something.
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  And the thing they're getting attacked by is like a colony of
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  ants that kill you to take your bones and kind of like create
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  themselves a sort of skeleton to move around.
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  And I think that sounds scary. Yeah, it's, it's sort of OK.
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  It's like the kind of thing you'd watch like, you know,
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  beyond at like midnight on Channel 5 and you'd be like,
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  yeah, it's all right. It's.
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  Not in Africa, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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  Filmed in Africa. And filmed in Africa.
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  Yeah, Wow. Is there an eccentric Welsh
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  beekeeper that turns up? Thank them all.
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  Unfortunately not. That's kind of that's kind of
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  exact. It's exactly what you need.
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  But there is that thing. But there is a queen sort of
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  amped thing at the end that kind of gets away and.
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  Say Queen of the bees, queen of the ants.
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  Queen of the Bees. But I get the impression that
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  he's like more into producing and I think he was trying to
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  kind of build up sort of South African film board and stuff.
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  And so maybe that just took him away because I kind of feel like
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  this shows so much invention. Why did we not get more from
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  him? Why have we not had a big finish
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  from him? I mean, I could literally, I
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  think anyone could write an entire story for each one of
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  these guest characters. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah, We haven't really talked about Gurunwi.
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  I love, I love Gurunwi. He's my honey honey bee.
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  He's such a sweet guy, just hanging around with his bees.
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  Oh, no, he's just going to warn them and then they are off on
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  their bike. Good God, Ray, wake up, will
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  you? Come on now.
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  Oh. My head you will say your name
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  she's she's. What's happened to Doctor Hula?
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  He's waking up with a woman in all the washing.
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  You know Kate Allman, right? When I interviewed her, she said
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  to her, but she fancied Sylvester McCoy.
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  I mean, somebody had to, I guess, other than his wife.
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  Because. Because Kate Orman said that she
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  didn't. When we did our image of the
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  Fender, she was like, oh, I'd never considered that there was
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  any hanky panky at Fetch Priory. And I was like, Kate, come on.
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  Yeah, Come on, Kate, what were you watching?
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  You wrote the New Adventures, all right.
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  You consider the hanky panky a lot.
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  I think she did to Sylvester McCoy in those books.
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  She must be a pseudo masochist if that's what she does to
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  people. She says, oh, this man's very
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  charming, isn't he? Oh, is that the announcements?
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  Yeah, this is great. But this is a song.
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  Great. But even this, it's like, OK, so
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  but we're paying a character to come in and just do like this
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  one. So paying an actor's coming to
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  do this one scene. Like who's who's budgeting this?
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  Is it the same fellow who's like obsessed with Mr. Burton, like,
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  And he goes, oh, I'm going to stay.
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  Is it him? Oh, he's like, I don't want to
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  go off to Andre Dodd Wells. Yeah, I think that might be.
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  Thank you, Vinny, but you will all have to go.
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  Burton is so. Great.
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  Burton's wonderful. You haven't talked about Burton
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  really did. You ever see the Foot in the
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  Grave episode that that actor was in?
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  I must have. Seen it.
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  It's the one where Margaret and Victor decide to go to the pub
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  and they have to pretend that they don't know each other due
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  to various misunderstandings. So Margaret knows the wife and
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  he knows the husband, but they don't know the other two are
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  married and him. Burton, the actor, is going, oh,
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  apparently her wife is absolutely ghastly.
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  Oh, it's so funny. And then they have to drive
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  Victor home and Margaret doesn't get out because they're
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  pretending that they don't know each other.
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  Oh, it's blissful. I'm going to go watch this now.
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  I think it's season 3 episode 1. What's OK, What's a bit sad of
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  this is that they've got these lovely bikes, but they all look
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  a bit well, they cut it quite well for this one.
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  But with Ray they all look a bit uncomfortable riding the bikes
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  and they're supposed to be all like proper like petrol heads.
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  It's like, oh, it's not really, not really buying.
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  Petrol heads, is that what you were getting?
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  Well, later on she's bouncing up and down.
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  But but Ray and Billy are supposed to be Oh.
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  I see what you mean, Kings and Queens of speed.
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  That's what they are. Now let me get this straight.
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  Are you're telling me I love I love a character like Burton who
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  just literally doesn't accept the it's been like the Brigadier
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  don't accept it, and then he does accept it and then he'll
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  just do anything for the. Doctor Yeah, but all of his
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  lines are saying yes. It's not the Happy Hearts
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  Holiday Club from Bolton. That's just a brilliant line.
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  Where's that been in the last few years in Doctor Who?
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  It's man awaiting an invasion for some other spacemen.
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  I don't know what action I'm doing now.
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  I love it when it goes. What is it?
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  Although there's sort of tea on Mars.
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  But also Mel in her denim is brilliant.
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  She just looks great. This is like what we need her to
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  be. She should have kept this on for
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  dragon fire. Look at that fabulous
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  neckerchief she's got on as well.
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  It's great, yeah. But also this, this is the sort
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  of thing that would be annoying in the Davison era, where it's
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  like, just bring random people into the TARDIS.
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  But Burton's just like, oh, can we go for a spin?
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  This is great. You don't realise this of
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  course, but the there have been 8 entire box sets of Big Finish
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  adventures with the Doctor, Ray and Burton when they just went
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  into the TARDIS there. Yeah.
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  But yeah, it's called. Space bonds and T part 4I.
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  Was going to say, but he had. He got his mind wiped at the
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  last second, didn't he? When he came back it was all
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  very sad. River Song.
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  River Song did it. Sylvester McCoy looked very
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  knowing there. Can't we have a spin?
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  He goes. Oh, maybe later.
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  You know. That's the end of the series.
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  Why haven't they done Delta? I still don't understand.
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  She's an exploded moon now anyway.
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  That's the thing, yeah. We'll catch up.
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  At some point. Don't you love how much he cares
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  about his staff? But it's really, really,
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  genuinely quite sweet and just calling everyone in like they're
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  sending them off. Yeah, it's like you'll all spend
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  the night in tandem. North Wales.
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  I don't really know Wales that well.
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  Is that a nice place? It is a.
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  Lovely place. It's in Paris, it's what I've
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  got friends that live near there.
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  It's it's a really, really pretty part of the world.
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  You know all the best places, you Wales.
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  Cruelly. Oh, my God.
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  The tour of the universe that you've done.
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  Honestly, Delta has got nothing on you.
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  That's it. You're going for one night.
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  They're all looking at each other, right?
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  Who am I going to hook up with tonight?
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  Right? Yeah.
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  I'm not sure I like the yellow. No, but I'd probably I'd also
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  probably just be really invested in like a spin off about these
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  characters as well. What happened once they once
• 19:27
  they got there? Yeah, what happened to the
• 19:30
  Skegness Glee Club that came along at the end, You know,
• 19:34
  because didn't you know, that was another bunch of time
• 19:36
  travelling aliens? I was about to say, definitely
• 19:39
  aliens. Yeah.
• 19:42
  No, Vinny, that's an order. Couldn't they have got out and
• 19:45
  gone? Oh fucking hell this ain't
• 19:47
  Disneyland. Like look at these locations
• 19:52
  though. Oh, picnic by the river.
• 19:55
  It's but that's the I think also because they went on location, I
• 19:59
  feel like the location's almost a little bit underused They
• 20:04
  because you don't really get the sense that it's that it's Barry
• 20:07
  Island. You occasionally see the
• 20:09
  distant, like there. You kind of get a bit of a sense
• 20:11
  of the scale of it. I think the only time I really
• 20:14
  could tell is Barry Island. It's the bit where the doctor
• 20:18
  comes in on the bike after the bus exploded and you can see the
• 20:22
  sea You. Can see the sea.
• 20:23
  Yeah, that's exactly. It's a beautiful shot.
• 20:26
  It's lovely, but that's kind of the only time you're like, oh,
• 20:28
  OK. Man, I would not get on that
• 20:31
  bike going down the hill like Jesus Christ.
• 20:36
  I say, everyone in the bus, come on.
• 20:40
  Oh, he's a good man, Mr. Burton. He really?
• 20:43
  Is crystal was big enough now? Just about.
• 20:47
  Yeah, that's almost cooked. Is this the bit where they all
• 20:51
  die? Where they all care?
• 20:53
  Massacre tonally. That's very odd, isn't it?
• 20:56
  Yeah. And I think the problem that is
• 20:58
  where the budget lets them down in the, it's such a sort of
• 21:03
  quick. Martin, you've been watching too
• 21:07
  much propaganda from the A-Team. You know, not everything goes up
• 21:10
  in a great load of petrol. Sometimes it's just a fucking
• 21:14
  spark. But I want to see their
• 21:16
  screaming burning faces. I was raised on the hinge Cliff
• 21:19
  years. It's all done through Bonnie.
• 21:21
  You know where she goes? Yes, they're dead.
• 21:25
  You know, to be fair, but also I do really like that line when
• 21:28
  he's like just like a captain Mr. Burton and he's like Major,
• 21:30
  actually. That's a really good line just
• 21:33
  for the character building that gives you.
• 21:35
  Look at Don Henderson, underlit like that.
• 21:38
  God he's scarier than any Dalek. And I also I like the their
• 21:42
  spaceship design, their massive screen in the moment ship and
• 21:46
  it's like the Dalek set you get in remembrance later on.
• 21:49
  Nothing subtle about it, is it? No, not at all.
• 21:52
  It looks a bit like a killing on battle cruiser when it comes
• 21:54
  down. You know, they haven't quite got
• 21:58
  the special effects to a point where they can land a spaceship.
• 22:01
  No, but they're trying and that I sort of appreciate that
• 22:04
  they're that they're giving it a go.
• 22:06
  Yeah, it's that. Well, it's better than when they
• 22:08
  tried in Silver Nemesis. That is just ghastly, I say,
• 22:13
  Well, do you know what we're doing now?
• 22:14
  We're just going around all the beauty spots.
• 22:16
  Yeah, just popping around, catching up with some good
• 22:18
  Kelly, catching up with the guest cars.
• 22:21
  I'd love to do a sort of tour of the locations of Della and the
• 22:24
  Bannermen, you know? That would be really nice.
• 22:26
  Yeah, absolutely. On a summer's day, I'd dress up
• 22:29
  like male get a neckerchief. But all of the places from the
• 22:34
  McCoy era are just sort of lovely.
• 22:36
  Go up and. Yeah, they do.
• 22:38
  There's a lot of, well, there's a lot of sun in the McCoy era as
• 22:41
  well, isn't? There lot of sun.
• 22:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Battlefield Silver.
• 22:44
  Nemesis Survival. Survival.
• 22:47
  I mean, look, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great, Great show.
• 22:49
  The Galaxy you get. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:52
  They had some good, good summers.
• 22:54
  Yeah, but really. Really.
• 22:55
  Actually. Although, you know, you only
• 22:57
  have to compare the summer there to the summer on film in Android
• 23:01
  Sutara. And you're like, everything
• 23:04
  looks so much more rich on film, doesn't it?
• 23:06
  On. Yeah, on film.
• 23:07
  Yeah, On film, that's true. Yeah.
• 23:10
  Oh, she's sucking down on that honey there look.
• 23:15
  But I think Sylvester McCoy is having a great time as we see
• 23:18
  that messy around with that gait and stuff.
• 23:19
  He's just enjoying himself immensely.
• 23:22
  Was that the bit where Kev Mcculloch's doing the riff on
• 23:25
  the Doctor Who fame chips so great But.
• 23:31
  I love how Billy is just like he just does not give a shit.
• 23:35
  He's just like, oh, we're having a nice day out.
• 23:37
  And she's like, oh, he's like, why is everyone in such a lava?
• 23:41
  Why is everyone in such a lava? Come on.
• 23:46
  Oh, he was ionized. Oh God.
• 23:49
  They'd have to tone her down a bit.
• 23:51
  Can't imagine her in survival. Can you have a nut lesbian
• 23:53
  relationship with a cat? Can you?
• 23:58
  Just smoking around the house in Ghost Light, just fighting with
• 24:02
  Gwendolyn. Oh my God, stitch this Dracula.
• 24:09
  Oh, you're a lovely big pussy, aren't you?
• 24:14
  I don't know, it would have worked, or at least the stories
• 24:17
  would have been much different. They could just run forever.
• 24:22
  You know it's true. You're sitting there having a
• 24:24
  lovely picnic bar stream and a Bannerman war ship comes flying
• 24:28
  down and ruins your good time. Now you know you said about the
• 24:32
  explosion. In a minute.
• 24:33
  Watch their basket go up. Now that's a Big Bang in a
• 24:36
  minute. Yeah, but they can do
• 24:38
  pyrotechnics. I think that's why it annoys me
• 24:40
  a bit that you don't get the bus.
• 24:41
  I want it, I want, I want the explosion like you get in
• 24:43
  remembrance. But this is nicely done with the
• 24:46
  spaceship, the scales, nicely done.
• 24:47
  They're try. They're trying, really.
• 24:49
  Hard. We'll always admire ambition
• 24:52
  especially. Yeah, absolutely.
• 24:53
  But if it's not quite still better than Babylon five?
• 24:56
  Yes, far. Better than Babylon 5.
• 24:59
  Finally, this this pair have reached the plot look.
• 25:03
  But this little horn is amazing. It's a bugle.
• 25:06
  This is great. What is it goes Where is he,
• 25:10
  your Uncle Sam? Where is he, your Uncle Sam?
• 25:15
  Oh no, it's the tent that goes up in a big flame, isn't it?
• 25:18
  Oh yeah, Your Uncle Sam, he's great.
• 25:21
  But it's actually jokes that are actually funny.
• 25:23
  Like when he's like, this is Jerome P Wise mother calling
• 25:26
  from Wales in England. That's great.
• 25:29
  England like it's somewhere really exotic.
• 25:34
  But I. I don't wonder why he doesn't
• 25:36
  kill them. No, because it's very on form
• 25:39
  for him to kill them. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:41
  I think that does that. That is the slight problem that
• 25:44
  he's so nasty, but then he sort of just locks these people up.
• 25:46
  You're like, why would you do that?
• 25:48
  I think it was Don Henderson, he said.
• 25:49
  I'm sorry. I cannot kill Stubby K, I'm
• 25:52
  really sorry. But we haven't really talked
• 25:55
  about it yet. But I also really like the the
• 25:57
  Batterman design with their sort of like funky sunglasses that
• 26:01
  they've got. I think they look great.
• 26:03
  I think they're really convincing as a military force.
• 26:06
  I mean, maybe being taken down by all that honey and bees in
• 26:08
  episode 3 less so, but so yeah, you're right, the look is great.
• 26:13
  Yeah, and it's the sort of look they could do in the new series
• 26:15
  and it wouldn't be embarrassing. It would be kind of cool
• 26:18
  actually, I think, if they did it.
• 26:19
  And this is affecting. I know the explosion is
• 26:22
  terrible, but it's affecting because Mel's had a relationship
• 26:24
  with these people. She's been partying with them
• 26:26
  the night before and now they're all dead.
• 26:29
  I think it's just that it's like that one shot from the gun and
• 26:32
  then it's like, oh, OK, but then she sells it like really well.
• 26:35
  That's and she doesn't often get moments when she gets to under
• 26:38
  play like this. No.
• 26:40
  And it's and Devrock's so horrible that she gets to really
• 26:43
  react to it, which is great. I like that he kicks her down
• 26:46
  and steps on her. Yeah.
• 26:49
  He's a bro, isn't he? But then the music's like and
• 26:54
  they're coming. I'm going to see if I can see
• 26:59
  the sea. It's this bit, isn't it?
• 27:01
  Yeah, so kick. Kick, kick, Bonnie, go on.
• 27:07
  Oh, look at their tongues. Brilliant.
• 27:10
  Yeah, there, that's. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 27:14
  But like, why would you only have that one shot?
• 27:17
  They're always shooting in the other direction, aren't they?
• 27:19
  Yeah. Oh, there's a little bit more
• 27:21
  there. A little bit, but with those
• 27:22
  fences in the way. But this is great.
• 27:24
  He's so horrible to melt. And then Burton coming in.
• 27:27
  Brilliant. And you know what?
• 27:29
  Much like Toby, I love somebody that comes in and, you know, he
• 27:33
  says, oh, kill me instead, you know, yeah, I'd like to be that
• 27:36
  person, but I know I wouldn't be.
• 27:38
  Take Martin instead. Fine, That's fine.
• 27:41
  Slowly pushed me to the front. Actually, no.
• 27:45
  Good grief. Yeah, you'd be right at the back
• 27:47
  of the pack. There's a few more I get in
• 27:49
  front of you, you know, Dylan Reece, you know.
• 27:53
  Dylan to the front. That's right.
• 27:55
  Yeah, James. Yeah.
• 27:56
  There you go. Oh, Sun Dapple trees.
• 27:59
  Beautiful. Beautiful.
• 28:01
  Really, really lovely. I mean, this could be anywhere,
• 28:04
  right? You could play Doctor Who?
• 28:06
  Yeah, in your local woods. Absolutely.
• 28:08
  And then you can get, you know, Silver Nemesis, much like we
• 28:10
  take the piss out of it. But the whole thing splashing
• 28:12
  around in the river, that's there's a lot of fun to be out
• 28:14
  there. Oh.
• 28:15
  Man, Belinda, you really are terrible.
• 28:18
  She's due to change. Singing time is near.
• 28:21
  She's really wooden, isn't she? But I feel like she's so I
• 28:25
  there's something about her, I feel like she's really
• 28:27
  committed. Like she's sort of like.
• 28:30
  You could say that about a lot of performance, right?
• 28:34
  Well, you said that about Mart Tyler.
• 28:37
  Oh God, yeah, don't be true. Hungry for my soul.
• 28:41
  She was very committed. Oh, did you hear?
• 28:45
  Oh, there she went. It's his bees that are calling
• 28:48
  us. She.
• 28:49
  Oh, bless her. Oh, now, now this is how you do
• 28:53
  it. Look, he underplays everything.
• 28:54
  It's so cash. Yeah.
• 28:56
  Have a bit of honey. There you go.
• 28:59
  But I know there's because have you seen there's that trailer
• 29:01
  that we sort of like narrate always.
• 29:04
  He's like, I've seen strange lights in the sky, but nothing
• 29:08
  like and it's that it's really it's really sweet and he is, he
• 29:11
  is. It's always where you know, it's
• 29:13
  like, are they a Time Lord? He 100%.
• 29:16
  He is one of the timeless doctors, I'm telling you.
• 29:18
  Yeah. He's a timeless Dr., isn't?
• 29:21
  He, Joe Martin, went, oh God, I'm changing.
• 29:23
  Oh, hello, Hello. They call me the beekeeper.
• 29:29
  Oh, I can't be bothered with this division business or no,
• 29:33
  no, no, there's like we're in Grubbler, he's eating that.
• 29:37
  That's that's amazing. What a great idea.
• 29:39
  I think it's salmon, isn't it? They said.
• 29:42
  Salmon, it's inside the pork. It's.
• 29:44
  In pork, yeah, but that but how brilliant.
• 29:48
  Just I just want to say McCoy aces this and I don't think he
• 29:54
  very often aces when he gets a lot of dialogue.
• 29:57
  But all of that sort of, you may think that might is right, but I
• 30:00
  can assure you, you won't get away with it.
• 30:01
  He's really good in this. And I think it works quite well
• 30:04
  because Gavrock so hissibly evil.
• 30:08
  He's just there, like jumping on his meat, his horrible hands, a
• 30:13
  spit on your justice. He's got little pig hands,
• 30:15
  doesn't he? They're horrible.
• 30:16
  Oh God, on my match if you went on a date and he took his gloves
• 30:20
  off. I'm right?
• 30:23
  Thanks. I've been sure heavy finger in.
• 30:26
  No you ain't, man. You are not.
• 30:28
  Oh God. Let me touch you.
• 30:32
  It'll be more like fisting with an hand like that, wouldn't it?
• 30:35
  Oh God, almost. So I'm so sorry.
• 30:37
  Club. I mean, this is the sort of
• 30:40
  scene that Colin Baker could do in his sleep.
• 30:43
  Oh God, yeah, You know. Yeah, you will go to trial for
• 30:46
  the genocide of the Shamrons life.
• 30:50
  You know about life, Gavron. Yeah.
• 30:51
  It's a it's really nicely sort of thought through.
• 30:55
  Lies, treachery and murder are your currency.
• 30:59
  Yeah, it's fabulous. And actually, I love the
• 31:02
  cliffhanger. The Zinger.
• 31:04
  It's great. It's great.
• 31:05
  Actually, I think I went a bit too far.
• 31:07
  Yeah, it's that that, and then you get in remembrance with the
• 31:11
  I think I might have miscalculated, which are both
• 31:13
  lovely little cliffhangers. Again, it's another sort of way
• 31:17
  of and it, it works far better than stuff like Davidson going,
• 31:20
  oh, not again when he's about to be beheaded again for the second
• 31:24
  time that season. I mean, doesn't it end on Bonnie
• 31:27
  sort of looking at the camera going?
• 31:29
  That's going to happen now, yeah.
• 31:31
  I think I may have got a little too, but I just think he looks
• 31:36
  great. But he says yes.
• 31:37
  Well. You know, I think he has very
• 31:41
  powerful eyes. Sylvester McCoy, he.
• 31:43
  Has he's got a brilliantly expressive face as well and he
• 31:47
  can sometimes go over, he can easily go over the top with a
• 31:51
  face like that, but sometimes when he controls it, he's he's
• 31:54
  really, really brilliant. He's got a deranged, eccentric
• 31:57
  mouth, unfortunately, and sometimes dialogue comes out in
• 32:00
  a very unusual way. But yeah, I mean, he could cut
• 32:04
  you down with a look. But even just in, you know, the
• 32:07
  TV movie where he's not speaking, which many would say
• 32:10
  is his finest performance, but you know.
• 32:13
  But I didn't say that in that recent commentary.
• 32:15
  Yes, timely malfunction the Master, but he's out there.
• 32:20
  Him just walking around is so doctor ish, like it's so great.
• 32:25
  Him just sat reading a book is brilliant.
• 32:27
  Like I just love that. What?
• 32:28
  Don't you remember that bit where he realizes a sort of
• 32:31
  cummy master has broken out of his prison in Natalia and the
• 32:34
  camera just zooms in on his face looking horrified?
• 32:38
  Yeah, do it with a look, McCoy, don't you?
• 32:41
  Don't you say words. Oh, it'd be a bit tricky on Big
• 32:44
  Finish. You know, I recently did Live
• 32:47
  34, you know, which was an absolute zinger.
• 32:50
  But Sylvester McCoy was only in one episode's worth of
• 32:52
  materials. That could be why I've got to
• 32:55
  say, right? I mean, the plot is just mad,
• 32:58
  right? There is really no plot despite
• 33:00
  we're just running around the countryside.
• 33:02
  Who gives a? Fuck yeah.
• 33:03
  You don't care at all. You're not.
• 33:05
  It's not like one of those kind of new series stories where it
• 33:10
  drags and you're like, what we actually doing?
• 33:12
  What's this about? Because you're having so much
• 33:14
  fun, it doesn't matter at all. But it's also is what it's not
• 33:18
  like something like Oh dear. And I don't mind this story, but
• 33:22
  it's miserable, like Attack of the Side Men where you're sort
• 33:26
  of, you're hanging out with a load of boring heavies and this
• 33:29
  who are really aggressive with and they're just sort of walking
• 33:31
  over a Gray miserable quarry. Here we're hanging out with the
• 33:35
  funniest group of characters you can possibly think of.
• 33:38
  Yeah. Beautiful setting whilst great
• 33:40
  musics playing. And they're all in it from I'm
• 33:44
  puffing Goron we, but they're all in it basically from the
• 33:46
  beginning. So it's not like in SAC and
• 33:48
  Cybermen where every 10 minutes you get a new group of
• 33:50
  characters that you also don't particularly care about.
• 33:53
  But then it's like, oh, and then the Kryons are here.
• 33:55
  OK, great. But like in this, you're like,
• 33:57
  no, we've kind of met everyone. We know everyone's relationships
• 34:02
  in and relationships, the kind of relationships we haven't seen
• 34:05
  necessarily much or at all in Doctor Who.
• 34:08
  And we know what everyone's about.
• 34:10
  We know who the villains are and we're just watching them
• 34:13
  interact and that's really, really pleasant to watch.
• 34:17
  Well, and what's also pleasant is I think Andrew Cartmer
• 34:20
  realises that our Eric often forgot is that people are really
• 34:26
  lovely to hang about with when they are lovely people, right.
• 34:30
  So with that, just charming, funny people are really nice.
• 34:34
  You know, I mean, you could probably name a handful of
• 34:36
  people in those five years that Eric Script edited, but there's
• 34:40
  not many. No.
• 34:41
  And often, often when you would want to hang out with them, it's
• 34:44
  because they're such an asshole or, you know, like.
• 34:47
  Like Joe Bell, do you remember? Joe Bell.
• 34:49
  Yeah. I was gonna say, but or like
• 34:50
  Rula Lenska, you know, because she's such a kind of bitch that
• 34:53
  you sort of hang out. She's not.
• 34:55
  She's not really like a nice person, but she's just going to
• 34:58
  be really withering about everyone.
• 34:59
  You're like, yeah, I can. I like hanging out with shock
• 35:01
  eye. Do you serve humans here?
• 35:05
  You know, like, yeah, usually they're just very arch and
• 35:08
  that's why they're fun to hang around.
• 35:10
  With it's true actually that the McCoy era a time of the Rani
• 35:15
  yeah, I kind of like wonder and whatever like that that that
• 35:19
  supporting cast but. After that before she turns into
• 35:22
  a skellington. But yeah, it's on for a bit.
• 35:26
  But it is quite nice that you do have these supporting casts
• 35:30
  where you are invested. You, I think it's pretty much
• 35:35
  every McCoy story, you have at least one or two of the support.
• 35:38
  You're sort of really invested. You care about them.
• 35:41
  You don't want bad things to happen to them.
• 35:44
  I'd forgotten how in Happiness Patrol you sort of.
• 35:48
  Leslie Dunlop. Leslie Dunlop You really do care
• 35:51
  for those characters and it that's that's kind of that's
• 35:55
  really sweet and it and it does make you engage with the story
• 36:00
  in a different way that you're like, I actually really hope
• 36:02
  these people survive. And a lot of the time, they do.
• 36:06
  It's it's tricky to get that so instantly right.
• 36:08
  Actually, Leslie Dummell's character that just that line of
• 36:11
  I woke up 1 morning. Oh, there was a million Blues
• 36:13
  songs and start like that. No, but I did wake up 1 morning.
• 36:16
  And then she can give her back story as to why she's unhappy.
• 36:20
  Yeah, Happiness Patrol. And you instantly like her,
• 36:22
  right? And Ace instantly lives her and
• 36:24
  their friends straight away. And she's always got a mate,
• 36:26
  hasn't she? Ling Tai in Battlefield.
• 36:29
  Oh fuck me. When she gets out of the car and
• 36:31
  goes, I just love her. Who else is Who else is she
• 36:36
  hanging around with in? Well, survival, she gets a whole
• 36:40
  bunch, doesn't she? All Mags from Great show.
• 36:43
  Oh, Mags. Yeah, yeah, I swell.
• 36:45
  Yeah. Often Lady Painful in Nemesis.
• 36:49
  All. Things shall soon be mine.
• 36:54
  Oh, no, of course. The most likeable character?
• 36:56
  Mrs. Remington, Of course. Obviously, yeah, actually that's
• 36:59
  true. That's possibly though that is
• 37:01
  maybe one of the problems in Silver Nemesis is that you don't
• 37:07
  really have a gang of people for them to hang out with.
• 37:11
  They're just kind of running the doctrine ace.
• 37:12
  They're kind of running around and it's like Richard is sort of
• 37:16
  likeable. I suppose that's by the end by
• 37:19
  the end. After she, yeah, I'll see what
• 37:21
  it's like here. They're just sort of gathering
• 37:23
  people by the scene. Yeah, yeah, they've got a big
• 37:26
  bunch of mates. And even in like Cursor Fenrick,
• 37:29
  I mean, she doesn't sort of stay friends with Gene and Phyllis,
• 37:31
  but she tries to be friends with Gene and Phyllis.
• 37:33
  Like, you know, she gives a go and then you've got grandma and
• 37:37
  Kathleen and stuff. And that's that's, that's really
• 37:39
  nice those those relationships and and Wainwright and there's
• 37:42
  people that you actually really get upset when they get killed
• 37:45
  off and ghost lights full of interesting and kooky characters
• 37:49
  and things like that. That's what you really want, I
• 37:52
  think. And I think Carmel understand,
• 37:55
  like you said, exactly. He understands that you need to
• 37:57
  have people that you're gonna root for outside of just the
• 38:00
  doctor and his friend. Whereas the Saywood stuff was
• 38:03
  like, you know, the only ones that are coming out of this
• 38:05
  alive and the doctor and his friends.
• 38:07
  And even then, not always. Most of them when.
• 38:11
  You know, so eventually goes and the first script we get is
• 38:14
  terror of the Vervoids, you know, and I just love everybody
• 38:16
  in that. Oh yeah.
• 38:18
  Mostly because they're all terrible hands.
• 38:21
  Yeah, but that is something actually talking about Chris
• 38:23
  Clough. I think Chris Clough has a
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  really good sense of a really good way of expressing the scale
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  of things. So in Terror of the Vervoids,
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  you get those brilliant scenes where you have the guy fighting
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  the Ver void into the Pulveriser and then getting killed.
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  But it's like there is sort of like a battle going on outside
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  of the scenes that we're seeing and that in the lounge when
• 38:45
  they're trying to fight them off that.
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  I think that's a really neat way of showing the scale of events
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  without having to, you know, use any particular budget to do it.
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  The the my only issue with Chris Cloth is that he checked out
• 39:01
  come Silford Nemesis. Oh, yeah.
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  He barely bothers to point a camera in that It's Yeah, like,
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  I think it's fun and delirious and actually there is a sense of
• 39:10
  space to it. There's lots of location work
• 39:13
  and yeah, fast locations. Yeah, the hanger stuff is good.
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  But man, oh man, you know you betrayed me.
• 39:19
  Have I taught you nothing? Oh, throw the dust at the side.
• 39:22
  I mean, it's just so lame the. Director that that is very true
• 39:26
  actually. Maybe that's why they didn't
• 39:28
  think of the new series. I wonder if this is his finest
• 39:32
  achievement actually down in the Bannerman in terms of a tone and
• 39:36
  acing it. I think it's I I do really like
• 39:40
  Terror of the Vervoids as well, but I think it probably is this.
• 39:45
  I think it probably, although I mean that I know, I don't know
• 39:47
  how much they consulted him, but that re rejigged version of
• 39:50
  terror of the Vervoids I thought was so much fun.
• 39:53
  Take, you know, the bit without the trial scenes and like, oh,
• 39:56
  that was that was an absolute riot.
• 39:59
  Wow, Martin Brown's study. I think it's the vocabulary of
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  all humans. So antediluvian.
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  I suppose we should go and have some fun and watch episode 3
• 40:13
  where things just get even more delightful.
• 40:16
  Yes, let's do it.