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Troubles at Everton, Arsenal Champions and West Ham Down | Outside the Box Ep 8 · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

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Did you have fun in the sun guys?
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Fun in the sun?
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When's this?
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Usually hate the sun to be fair don't you?
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It's been all weekend doesn't it the sun?
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No I don't the sun?
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No.
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When you were a player you were?
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Oh no I hated it when I was a player yeah.
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I didn't enjoy playing in the sun but I want to a different stage in my career now and
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I love the sun.
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Every time I'm with them we do love the sun.
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No but we are not golf chips we are golf asking in the sun, glass of wine in the sun
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would it be it?
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Any golf this weekend?
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No it's not you're not a gym if you're not we didn't mention it why did you bring
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a drink up?
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Because the sun's out?
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Yeah but it doesn't matter.
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It's fair the sun's out.
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When we're together they're wrong about it and we're playing golf.
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All is interested is good food and golf when I'm just in drinking and stuff like that.
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He's definitely interested in good food I'll tell you that.
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You didn't get this big eating salad mate let me tell you.
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Definitely interested in good food.
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So yeah.
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So what did you get up to then?
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This weekend it was two of my kids' birthdays oh nice where he wore an 18 so big weekend
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in our house so obviously I had a warm up at it played golf.
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Let me do all the prep for it quite often we have it in our house so when that's the
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case I just shout out me a lot I need to help round the house with garden or the mop
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or whatever it might be I need to help with because we had it somewhere else actually just
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well done.
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Yeah it was good actually this time I was nice and relaxed just enjoyed the build up
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enjoyed the kids' actual birthdays big birthdays now like I hadn't been able to be an
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old.
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I haven't seen anyone yet of course Jesus feel old I'll put that kind of money in their
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exact same boat as him and I would have been there enjoying myself with them and him but
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here unfortunately I had to go to the Pyramids of Giza didn't I so I had to go to the
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seventh one of the seventh one of the world I'm wearing a box of mine so that was fantastic
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yeah.
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What did you make of that?
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He's not on hard to say.
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Go to his oven podcast to find out.
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Did you like the Pyramids?
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One thing I can't say is it is on my own when did you see the Pyramids?
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Yes I left for Egypt at 12 o'clock midday on the train from Bunkorn to Houston at midday
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I went from Houston to Tottenham Court Road.
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I went from Tottenham Court Road to Paddington on the Heathrow Express.
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I arrived after leaving the house at half 11 and getting to Runkorn on the 12 o'clock
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train.
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I was in.
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I was in.
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I was in.
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I was in.
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I was now in Heathrow.
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I was now in Heathrow.
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I was now in Heathrow.
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Getting all light in here.
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And basically I left me out to midday I got to Cairo, I got to me hotel and got a half
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four in the morning.
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I got up for work, I had a production meeting, I got back to the airport after work in the
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event, a half four in the morning because it was like a half seven.
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In them twenty four hours I went to the Pyramids, I went to the museum, I don't meet job
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and then I came home and then I had done the four hour stints all the way back home.
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So I was back home to meet door and back to the Pyramids in a space of forty eight hours
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worked, not stop and that was the job was a good one.
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So you got paid to be there, you got to visit the, we went to a museum and you got to
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see the better by themselves.
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I don't know what, yeah, I don't do it for the morning, I do it for the love.
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Sounds like a good trip and the as impressive as the, I'm never been to Egypt, these impressive
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people say.
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They are, it is impressive considering our long ago, do you just think they were big
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triangles?
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No, but they, I'm not going to lie, I was slightly a bit, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, it sounds
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a little bit, I expected even bigger, do you know the way they made out to be, yeah,
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I expected them to be bigger, I'm not going to lie.
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And then when you get to the, the, the, what's a call to the long thing that looks like
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a dog, the Sphinx, the Sphinx, I was a bit disappointed in that, but it's been, it's
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supposed to be smaller, quite smaller, it's, it's corroded over the years, it's a bit
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affected, but it's history, isn't it?
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And as we don't, one of the seven under the world, but I'm not going to lie, I was a little
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bit, I was just expecting this huge, huge, huge period, and, and this, it's big, it, it's
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not, it's not, but I was just, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
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super cool, just always one bigger, always one bigger and better, you know, I'm not quite
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on that level of a, I'm not even going to say it, just keep your mouth shut, stop it, stop
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I don't want to say they've got the stiff left flops on the door on say I could I ate it when people say that but I just felt we didn't take our chances again
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And as you thought there was no I was no emplodduck
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There's no way to create any chances did we?
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Maybe it was a 98 minute
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We wanted to hear nobody's worst games
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Holding the ball up was none of this
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Yeah it just didn't happen
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Yeah and we were and you know what you put it
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You say a strong team out because he didn't make many changes
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I thought if he I thought to be rotated their boys and made loads of changes and gave other people a chance
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I thought he might get criticized by the league
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Just like my get criticized by the I know it's his prerogative to do it
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But I thought he'd get criticized for not taking that game serious because it was West Am versus Tottenham
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Whoever goes you know whoever loses or doesn't get the result goes down
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So I expected him to put a relatively strong team out he did but few of them were just
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Yeah a few of them just played like it was the last like there was last game to see
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And you know also as well with the difference between this time and last year
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Quite a few of them not enough of them but quite a few of them have got the World Cup on the horizon
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So we're in that moment where they don't want to pick up in a stupid injury and a nonsense injury
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Yeah, mentally whether you mean to or not in that moment you do start
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Shaking out of challenges and not quite running that extra five years
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You know what a massive miss has been the last few games that Jessica got
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He just sat the standard in the middle and he's got he's all over the pitch
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Even as his age not he's still everywhere and I just feel
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If he's not around next season how are we going to cope without him?
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Because he gets everywhere else he's done legs and he allows can and just be able to do the job that he wants to do with attacking
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He allows him to get on the ball more but look to go forward instead of look to defend
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He just allows everyone he frees people up and I worry without him
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Yeah but he is getting old and I've actually been frustrated with him once or twice this season
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I think he gives the ball away a little bit or bit more than this
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We need we need a little bit a little bit more but yeah this has been opportunity
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I don't meddle in roles although he's played on the right I thought he's coming in and don't know okay
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He's got energy and legs I don't think he's ready for a central midfield player
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I don't think he's ready to play centrally
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So yeah just a common experience being a will mail and roll because as you've been a player would
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I would say give him a goal because he has legs and he's everywhere
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But does that come with experience he needs a couple more years out on the right way that's less important
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Does that make sense?
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Not necessarily less important although I know what you mean by if you make mistakes
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You can make mistakes out on the wide areas
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I played in the wide areas until I heard me place in the middle
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I just think at the minute he's not played every single week as he made
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He's not like he's played 38 games he's played probably
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28 of the last 12 games maybe
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So he's not had all season and I still think that although he's justifiably forced his way into the first team over his performances
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I don't think he's playing quick enough to play in the middle of the pitch
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I think he still needs a little bit more time
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I think it all happens quicker and faster in the middle of the pitch
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Then it does out wide you get a little bit more thinking time a little bit more time
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To take a touch and have a look around whereas you know already need to have pictures in your mind when you're playing in the middle of the pitch
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I'm not seeing that from him yet
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But that's not to say you can't because I've actually been impressed with his how he's developed this year male and roll
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I think that in the modern world I think we're committed now to 20 million
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I think in the modern world that's not a crazy price for someone
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That you think could still develop I still think he's got
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I think he's got more potential than we've shown
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I think he could be a really good player
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David might see something because he wouldn't play him if he didn't see something muddy
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I think you have to justify your spot to David boys
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I think you have to show you can do
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I've talked about this before
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You have to show you can do certain roles within the team that won't let the team down
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The team comes before the individual all the time
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And if you can do the team stuff and then do your individual stuff on top of that
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You'll start to get a game in the team
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A male and roll started to do all the team stuff
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And I just started to see it a little bit especially in the city game
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A bit of that where he's really showing his pace
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And he's getting at people and he's showing his desire and his quit
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It's brilliant, it's brilliant, it's brilliant, it's brilliant, it's brilliant
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I do think he's one of the players that has come out this last probably eight games
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Where we've actually had a huge dip at a really bad time
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We got ourselves into a great spot after that Chelsea game
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Where everybody started looking for their passport
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Everybody was in the draw checking dates on it
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Wondering if it's going to be okay
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And I think we probably only needed eight points in the last seven games
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Maybe you think they've slipped so bad
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I probably have a number of things
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Expectation might be the first
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We snuck into that position without any real pressure on the team
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I don't want to be with it, it was there for the team
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You just needed to get all that
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And that's to be honest, there were games where we were in
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The city games are massive kick
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But you're expected because before you got real tight at that point for the whole day
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But then it's the preferred games
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And stuff like you're just like, where's it gone wrong?
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Again, expectations is huge
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Suddenly you've got something to protect rather than playing freely
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And something to go at
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A lot of the fans are saying noise
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Yeah, a lot of the fans will say noise
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How though when he's got when he hasn't really
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Do you class him as ease
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Are you looking at going, are you spent a lot of money here?
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Because I actually don't
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No, we've got the squad that we had
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And I hope we strengthen over the summer
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Don't know how much we generally have
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In the transfer windows
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And I'd not in a rush for David Moise to move on
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Or any stretch because again, I still think we're in a moment of the club's transition
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Where we still need that stability
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We need this, the calm head
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And we need the experience
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We need somebody who understands the football club
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And yes, results might have not gone well at the end of the season to get us over the line
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But at the start of the season, I think we'd have all took 13th
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We've been battling allegations for so long
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That we'd have took 13th and called that a nice step and moved forward
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But because of the hope that we gave ourselves
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Or he gave us to suddenly go and look for our passports
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Now we're all disappointed
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And if we'd have ended up
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Let's just say 17th with eight games to go
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And we'd won all eight
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And very just about missed out on Europe
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We'd now be going, oh, what a great run
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That was because the hope came at the end
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Like we were last season so that's frustrating
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There will be things that David Moise looks back on and goes
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I wish I had done that differently or I could have changed that
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Or in hindsight I would have done that
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The Sunderland game feels like a moment
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But even that, I go back to players again
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The players couldn't pass from A to B in that game
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It was incredible to anyone who was in the stadium
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We'll say it was crazy to all of it
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Oh, good pass to both
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Yeah, they were awful at that
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They were awful against Spares for different reasons
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The real sort of dip came in the derby
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Not getting over the line against City
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Those were two big games that really hurt us
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Because we've always been a team that
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Don't always necessarily win the other games
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But we've been competitive in your Liverpool games
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Your City games and all that
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And quite often one winner of them two games propels us forward
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Gives us real momentum
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And belief to go on and win the games
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And haven't lost, it felt like we lost both
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But haven't lost the derby and drawing against City
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In the manners that we did last minute goals
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I think it's just not the stuffing out of us both
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So, Moeys will get the stick
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And yeah, I could completely understand that
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I just don't think it's a tie to move on from him
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No, that's chance I just feel
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He got us
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There's a lot of noise around it though, you know
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We got a lot of comments off the back of our pod last week
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It's just not right though because listen
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If you decide to start, if you decide to start this season
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Everton are going to be fighting for it
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They're going to be in your European intention everyone will go wow
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As well, we've was in your European intention with four games to go
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We were fighting for the European price and we were well on target as well
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At the end of that City game, it's in Everton's hands to go and get your
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And I'm sorry to tell you
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A season shouldn't be defined and I'm managing it over the four games
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Because the other 34, there's been times where they've been brilliant
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And there's been times where they've been incredible
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But is it acceptable to slip up that much in the last game?
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I get it, it is their last five, six games
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I get it but you can't
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I'll set an early slipped up
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And he's got an incredible squad and depths
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And they've been building towards that
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And he's been building towards after six and a half years
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So for only having 18 months and having had a little bit of influx of players
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But not really having the depth
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It's tough to call it a slip
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But when it wasn't bit of a slip
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It's tough to be overly critical
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Over at the moment
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And for those people, I've asked you questions of those people that talk about
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It's time to get someone new
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So who do you think, who is it that's in your mind?
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Because you're not going to get a pep
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You're not going to get someone of that ilk
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I mean, Erie, all is the only one that I go for
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He'd be
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He could be
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And I'm looking at him and going, he could be
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That's how he was available
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One of my mates said to me, Erie, you've got to take Erie, all the nicer to him
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Well, have you got to take Erie, all the
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I said, Erie, all of one of your European trophies
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When Moeys was at Westam
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And let's be just minutely honest, Westam are a smaller club than Evan
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They always have been, they always will be
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I'm sorry to say, but they are
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Now, what he'd done at Westam, he constantly got them into
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I think he'd been in top eight when he was there
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In a top eight position
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He got to one European final, am I correct?
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And they lost
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Am I right thinking that?
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Moeys?
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Yeah, did they get to the European final?
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They won the conference
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But didn't he get to the European final of the year before?
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He won one, he lost one, didn't he?
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I'm sure he got to
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I can't honestly remember
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They did well in the European league, one of the years they didn't win it
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No, he didn't win it, but I'm sure he got to the final
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Or he might've got to, whatever he's got really far
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So he'd been in two European competitions
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And he's got really deep in want and he's won the other one
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Now, I'm sorry to tell you mate
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What said he all the time?
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He's done it, what he managed, what's he done?
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Well, no, he just hoorted the minute
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I just braked the whole world
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He has no better than he all the time
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He has no more to show
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I'm just asking these Evitanians and saying
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Maybe he did not know in the wisdom
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I'm sick of them
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I'm sick of them
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He's been too unavailable at some point
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And they were interested in saying
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Actually, but even not now
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Just because of the stability we need
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He's done
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I'll keep it in the roller and glasner.
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Okay, well, you've exceeded expectations at a smaller club.
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You come to Evan and regardless of what it looks like.
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It's always a secret.
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It's coming to Evan.
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It's a massive deal.
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It's a massive club and it doesn't matter what everyone wants
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to laugh at us or think about us and start mentioning
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the last time he's won a show.
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What a evidence.
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There's still a huge football club and David Moise
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has managed big football clubs and he's had success now.
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He's proven he can win a trophy by doing what he's done
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at West Ham.
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He's proven he can consolidate a solid place in the league.
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So it might be just back him.
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Just back him because the and then the sword falls on him.
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Yeah.
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You haven't caught it like I'm like I'm not backing up.
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You know, you're always back and I want to but I'm just
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giving the argument, but for those that are just saying
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well, we can go get X person from Spain because he's doing
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well for such a club or X they don't know the Premier League.
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They don't understand the football club.
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Everton are a very unique football club and whereas English football
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as it comes, really, Everton, I'm even a puppet.
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The fans who are going on at me on my social platforms and then
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going, it's got to be a y'all in the go.
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You're just a dead.
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You're okay, are you all right?
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And I'm just like for those that even want him.
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We wouldn't come towards this.
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Yeah, he definitely wouldn't come to us.
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Not that he's not that we want him to.
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But you're just looking at who you could get.
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Who's available?
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In my opinion, we have to get a manager that's already
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managed in the Premier League because because we're as
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Premier League as it comes when it comes to understanding
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the football and the style.
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You can't come in and try and do flimsy kind of football
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with us.
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It doesn't work.
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We're not that kind of club.
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You need to get it.
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You need to have a bit of a Premier League experience.
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You just understand English football.
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And I just don't think there's, I don't think for this
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transitional phase that we're in because again,
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Moot was still just one year into moving to a new stadium.
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One year, just over one year with new ownership.
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We're still in a stability phase.
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We're still in a, yes, we were disappointed,
20:53
by the way, the season finished because of hope.
20:56
But, you know, by this year's unsolved well
20:58
in the first three quarters, by this time next year,
21:00
if we make, we make the exact same progress this year
21:04
that we made last year will be, we'll be, what,
21:07
on the top, seventh or eighth, and suddenly you're flying.
21:09
And there are those that say, I think,
21:12
they were Moes or Everton, I had 48 points last year,
21:15
49 this year, maybe 47 the year before and call it similar.
21:19
But each Premier League is different.
21:22
So points tell you it's going to be great.
21:23
But you, you can win the title on 101 points one year
21:26
and you can win the title on 84, the next.
21:29
Doesn't make a difference.
21:30
The 20th.
21:31
Arsenal wouldn't have been in the,
21:32
there wouldn't have been a title point.
21:33
It's a win city.
21:34
We're getting a hundred and not points.
21:35
No, no, we're getting a double point.
21:36
Sorry, yeah, you're spot on.
21:37
The seasons are different and that's a points do give you
21:40
the basis.
21:41
So across it of how you're averaging on all that,
21:44
but positions in the table do it way better
21:48
because then you can pay on yourself
21:49
because the league might be more competitive,
21:51
more different, or different aspects of looking at it.
21:54
So we've gone from, in fact, where did we actually finish?
21:58
Last year, did we finish 13th and we're 13th?
22:00
They're going to say that and suddenly we're 13th and 13th.
22:03
But I just feel like I feel like we made a bit of progress
22:06
this year, just for where we've been all season in the league.
22:10
Yeah, last season we were 13th.
22:11
I just, I was a set of 48 points.
22:13
At your 30th, 48 points.
22:14
But that was a, that was a five-year-old, five-year-old.
22:17
Five-year-old.
22:18
And had that and had our really good run at the end,
22:21
which I was talking before, had our really good run at the end.
22:23
Everyone's gone great, positive because we finished the game
22:25
with eight to 10, you know, unbeaten in that many.
22:29
And they've always gone at the end, rescuers.
22:31
We had our dip in that time this year, frustrating.
22:34
Definitely frustrating.
22:35
Dips come at the end instead of at the start.
22:38
Where does, you know, I think manages you
22:39
to dip at the start of the season,
22:40
the usually gone by Christmas.
22:42
I do think, yeah, it's probably going to start the season
22:45
positively.
22:46
I was going to say, what is he going to do next season?
22:48
So the same thing's background.
22:50
I just want to see him back first.
22:52
I just want to see our manager back.
22:54
I think if you're back and I just believe,
22:57
if a manager can come out and go listen,
22:59
I've got the people I wanted in.
23:01
I've got the staff I wanted in.
23:03
I've got the players I wanted in.
23:04
It's on me.
23:05
I'm culpable.
23:06
And this is what I don't like about football, no more.
23:09
I just don't see that in managers.
23:11
I'm starting to get quite fed up now.
23:13
I really do, I've renewed our tickets,
23:18
but I'm like, if I don't, I'm starting to get fed up
23:22
of football.
23:23
I'm just having a little bit of me to have to do.
23:25
The end of the season really don't meet at the end of the season.
23:28
I feel like, because I just, I thought,
23:30
we're going to see some other kids going to get away.
23:32
Yeah, and so we're all disappointed,
23:33
but I don't think it's suddenly time to jump ship.
23:36
I think it's time for cool heads, calmness, stability.
23:40
Go again next season.
23:41
And I honestly believe it'll be,
23:44
we'll make further steps.
23:46
Well, you know what?
23:48
It all depends on what squad you've got,
23:49
because we need to keep hold of our best place.
23:51
And there's a lot more noise around the event.
23:53
There's a lot of noise around the early at the minute.
23:54
Yeah, there's a lot of good players we've got to meet.
23:57
To the street, I mean, I think he and Jusby Old, Jimmy Garner,
24:01
the element that they've been revelations this season,
24:03
I go that far, saying that, I think,
24:05
Jimmy Garner has been absolutely fantastic.
24:07
That's the last show we did earlier.
24:09
Getting these big words and, I mean, just give me a,
24:11
give me enough time and I'll let it,
24:13
and I'll get this combined with him as well.
24:15
Oh, I am, I am feeling a bit shaky on the way,
24:18
and I like a food, to be honest.
24:20
But, you know what, these, we've had some really good players
24:23
to shit on, but are we honest as?
24:26
I don't think the worry is losing these players.
24:29
I think, I think there'll be a bit of an accident this season.
24:32
I think there'll be a number of players who are told,
24:34
because when you're dealing with a man,
24:35
it's like David Moise, I think he's pretty honest and straight.
24:38
And I think he's a fellow who's going to go,
24:40
you know what, you're not needed or you're not.
24:41
There's some manager, and I've seen that many come and go.
24:44
Now, some managers will be honest and straight and say,
24:46
you're not for me, you don't fit into me plans.
24:49
Someone, you get some manager who are liars and say that,
24:52
you are me plans, you do this, you get in there.
24:54
I just think with them,
24:55
he's pretty straight down the line, he's a straight shooter.
24:57
And I think you just let's say it in players, no,
24:59
you're not for me, kid, I don't think you're the one.
25:02
And it doesn't mean it's any of it.
25:03
You just, you know, we stand there.
25:04
And I think that's what you'd want to play.
25:06
That's what you'd want.
25:07
Definitely.
25:07
You want to tell anyone you're at?
25:08
Anyone will tell you, yeah, you want to,
25:10
you want to know you've got a fair crack at it,
25:12
and you want to know that you feel like you're part of a team
25:15
when you're working to somebody.
25:16
You don't want to, you know,
25:18
I'm going to say you don't want to work hard
25:20
and then not get, that's not what I'm trying to say,
25:22
but you don't want to be committing everything you are
25:25
to something that you're not actually a part of.
25:28
Yeah.
25:28
And there's no way it doesn't matter what you do,
25:30
you're not going to be a part of or involved in plans.
25:33
So yeah, he has always been like that.
25:35
He'll have the conversations that you need.
25:37
That's right, not everyone else.
25:39
Not everyone across football will give you that.
25:40
Yeah.
25:42
So you think that will heal, tell people that they're gone?
25:46
I'm open, so because I just don't see the,
25:48
you can't carry dead one, the Premier League.
25:50
And you can't carry play, I just don't,
25:53
we're never going to have this big massive squad of stars.
25:57
So I think you're going to have to get it, get it right.
26:01
Oh, that's a good question.
26:03
Put that one on your toes.
26:04
Yeah, you're up, but that's not for me,
26:05
John says that's what I'm trying to do.
26:07
That's what I'm trying to do.
26:09
Oh, I was thinking I'd do a jab at him and he talked the way he
26:12
touched.
26:13
Yeah.
26:14
We dropped it.
26:15
We've all got our opinions on who we like and who we don't like,
26:20
but it's, I'm not the manager.
26:21
And I don't see what he sees day in day out and train.
26:24
You got your opinion, no?
26:25
I've got my opinion.
26:25
And I've got me, I think it's good enough.
26:27
And I think it's not good enough.
26:28
But there's good one there.
26:30
Good one there.
26:31
I'll go after you.
26:32
In recent weeks, a lot of fans are saying the backline
26:34
isn't good enough.
26:35
That's a common trend.
26:38
Well, the biggest sherry, you want me to go first again.
26:40
We've got the biggest sherry.
26:42
We've got it's been injured.
26:45
John got this.
26:45
I felt so sorry for him when he re-enged it in the derby.
26:49
Just because it's trying.
26:50
He knew what he felt and he knew it was bad again.
26:53
And he was going to be out for the rest of the season.
26:55
I don't know how long it's going to be.
26:57
But it's a big thing to have a recurrent hamstring
27:02
go in that way for a young man.
27:05
And he just hoped that he's going to be able to get over it.
27:09
But it might scare the suitors, the big suitors off who
27:14
were interested in it.
27:15
Because he's harder than me.
27:16
He's got a lot of time.
27:17
He might scare them off.
27:20
Jacob Ryan, we definitely need a right back.
27:23
Obviously, Jake made some big mistakes against Sunderland.
27:28
Is that unacceptable?
27:30
It is not a right back.
27:32
It's not acceptable.
27:33
No, no, but it's understandable.
27:34
Yeah.
27:35
I think it's proven that he's not a right back.
27:37
So it's one of them moments that it was inevitable that
27:41
it's going to be in his deck come at some point.
27:44
Jake's going to slot into a half long term.
27:47
He's done well when he's played center after season.
27:49
Yeah, look, and I just think of in a world of, in a world
27:55
lacking in leaders.
27:56
And now we've lost shame as Taki's the big voice on the pitch.
28:01
He's the organizer.
28:02
And he's not been as good this.
28:04
I think he'd admit he's had a decent season,
28:06
but he's not been as good as he was.
28:08
He's been to a lot of other season before.
28:10
He's not getting younger, me.
28:11
No, he's not getting younger.
28:12
No one.
28:13
Things slowed down.
28:14
I've been in that situation where the messages are still
28:18
getting to your legs, but your legs aren't moving as quick.
28:20
The reaction speed.
28:21
Yeah, but he's still in there.
28:23
And he's still off as an awful in the same way that David
28:25
Weir and Stubz, he did because they, they slowed down.
28:30
He played different.
28:30
But their mind and their experience worked.
28:32
And they're talking was huge throughout the pitch.
28:35
And they were playing in teams that had lots of talkers
28:38
in the teams for the minute.
28:39
Taki picks at the back.
28:41
Maybe it's tough for a goalkeeper to be shouting
28:44
all information out.
28:45
Do you either keep it when he shout to us when you're like,
28:47
I try not to listen to the key.
28:48
I know, but you know when you were playing.
28:50
Could you be a T or when you're in your heart?
28:54
Only when you're in your heart.
28:56
When I played in soccer, I was, I was a goalkeeper
28:59
for one of the people that were ignoring you.
29:01
Of course he was.
29:02
But I was screaming and, and, and not for a fact,
29:05
good news with.
29:06
I was like, no, the atmosphere is like,
29:08
it depends if it's just calm down.
29:10
There's loads of, there's loads of mitigating factors.
29:13
I mean, like just think about a manager shouting on
29:15
from the side of the pitch.
29:16
You can't always be here.
29:17
I was, I was, I was, I think you'd hardly ever hear them.
29:21
So that's why that's why I used to know you,
29:22
the life of me when I played on right midfield
29:26
or wherever it all left midfield on the manager's side
29:28
because he just screamed at you all the time
29:30
and told you, come here, come here,
29:32
I said, I said, tell him together.
29:34
And then if the messages didn't go over
29:35
to the right people, I'd get you out of that
29:37
because he told me and I didn't get the messages
29:38
off the right people.
29:39
No, no, no, no, no, just a Y meal.
29:41
Spent the whole game just passing on messages.
29:45
But just talk and talk it in the world of,
29:48
you know, just need leaders.
29:50
That's why he plays.
29:50
If, I think if Jacob Bryant had
29:53
talkies sort of personality, personality,
29:56
talk and shout in ownership, leadership,
29:59
given information, then he'd probably be playing right
30:02
sent off in our best team with Jon.
30:05
Is talking keen together a problem?
30:08
I think they are two outstanding pros.
30:11
I think they are two outstanding people.
30:14
But I think time will, I think evidence has been
30:18
over the last five or six seasons
30:21
that they don't necessarily come to mind.
30:23
I don't mean play them together.
30:25
I'll be honest though, I think Michael Keynes
30:27
being really good this season.
30:28
No, I think he's a good season for one of his best,
30:31
one of his better seasons.
30:32
It's mad that because, as you can see,
30:35
the talkies throwing down.
30:37
It's like Keynes.
30:38
I don't, yeah, it's mad out.
30:40
It's just crazy because two years
30:42
you're a wouldn't have thought this would be saying that.
30:45
But now it looks, I don't know, might be time
30:47
or whatever, I'll be able to talk.
30:49
He might start a bit more than you think.
30:50
I don't know, but there's one thing you'll get out of
30:53
talkies, you're getting under in 10% time,
30:55
every time he steps on a pitch, he's putting his body
30:57
on the line, he's going as much as he can.
30:59
But, as he's writing his plays and he knows
31:03
how they're feeling because he's being there
31:04
and he's done it, you know what I mean?
31:06
And as I said, Jacob Ryan is ready to come in.
31:09
I'm with Jacob Ryan and Jared, the two younger lads,
31:12
but then it's a massive, I'm a big believer
31:15
and you've got to have older kids in a dressing room.
31:17
You can't have kids or own kids.
31:19
You really can't.
31:20
You've got to have seniority in a dressing room.
31:22
It's so important.
31:23
When these were in there, there was seniors and they were leaders,
31:27
and it helped so much with the likes of boss.
31:29
Younger lads in the squad, younger boys coming through.
31:32
It was huge, you know, it really was.
31:34
Yeah, it was.
31:36
And you've got to have that throughout the team.
31:38
And if there's only one, then it's generally playing.
31:42
Then you look at who's playing alongside him
31:44
and the thing with Keynote and Target, the back is,
31:49
again, brilliant pros.
31:51
And you just touched on it yourself there.
31:53
So they've not really got pace.
31:55
So if you played Jared and one of them, or you played Jake
31:59
and one of them, then you might have a talker.
32:02
And no, you've got the balance then.
32:03
And the old, you know, a really aggressive one
32:06
would be Keynote and Target.
32:07
And then the other, the one who reads the game better
32:10
and covers with pace and assesses it and gets in
32:13
would be your Jared and your Jacob Ryan.
32:15
So I think it's all potentially there.
32:18
But I mean, the manager gave a great speech
32:20
at the end of the season due on the stage.
32:24
Because I hosted that due the day.
32:25
And it was, it was, it was brilliant to do.
32:28
Thank you.
32:29
Just chuck that one in and me suit.
32:31
It took a lot of back.
32:32
Jesus, we took barely fit me for a better way.
32:36
It's on since the last war.
32:37
It that was a bad moment.
32:39
Fort me way into it.
32:40
I've got me cufflinks as well.
32:42
I had to get, I had to get one of the ladies who was who.
32:47
I was just like, how would you show your shirt?
32:49
Now I did a dress rehearsal like in the afternoon,
32:53
so I went down there, I said, dress rehearsal.
32:56
I did a rehearsal, went down there,
32:57
and I went to the Titanic to get changed and took me
33:00
to talks and forgot the cufflinks.
33:02
So one of the ladies had to take, you know,
33:03
the, there was a little bit of string
33:05
that tied your badge around your neck.
33:07
She took the string you got.
33:09
I had to use the string on my cufflinks
33:11
because I couldn't say it.
33:13
Because they don't have cufflinks.
33:14
So yeah, that was.
33:15
What the voice.
33:15
Anyway, I took it all around the way.
33:17
I mean, I had the pop of me, didn't mean.
33:19
I mean, it was a bit strange.
33:22
So asked him to talk about James again,
33:24
and he said, yeah, you know, what a, what a guy.
33:27
What a lead.
33:28
And James had touched on it earlier
33:30
and in the night in his speech, he's what he said.
33:32
So Moise touched on as well and said,
33:34
James came from people,
33:36
learnt from people,
33:38
the generations before, might be self like,
33:41
like Stubzzi, like Jags, like Bainzi, like,
33:44
and we learnt from the generation before,
33:46
going all the way back, going all the way back
33:48
to the 80s guys that were in the room.
33:50
And even to the 70s guys, one or two of them were about,
33:54
and he said, they all learnt,
33:55
and then he said, I'm looking at the tables,
33:57
with the first team here now,
33:58
and I'm wondering who's stepping up next,
34:00
who's going to learn, who's going to take on the mantle,
34:03
because someone does need to,
34:05
and I thought, yeah, I love a bit of that.
34:07
I nearly tried to grab an arm band
34:09
from somewhere to show them that I could still.
34:11
Yeah.
34:11
I'll do it.
34:12
He had me, he had me in the soul.
34:14
He had me in the coach, yeah.
34:16
He nearly had me there.
34:17
What do you do, senior?
34:18
What do you do?
34:19
I think we need to sign,
34:21
somewhere that he comes in and brings that.
34:22
Like, when we sign Phil Neville,
34:24
that's where he's definitely brought in a lead,
34:26
that is the someone that we can get to help.
34:29
Different kind of lead, to be fair.
34:30
Yeah, Phil wasn't an inspirational speech guy.
34:34
Yeah.
34:35
No one's an inspirational speech guy.
34:38
But he led by example,
34:40
and he wanted to do things first.
34:41
He wanted to be,
34:45
and he wanted to be at the front of every,
34:47
if every row he wanted to be at the front of every,
34:50
you know, when the manager took us out
34:52
or whatever it might be,
34:53
Phil would be first and laden in that way, yeah.
34:55
But there's so many different types of leaderships
34:58
and actually within a squad,
34:59
you probably need a few of them.
35:01
You know, you need more than one.
35:03
You need more people to step up.
35:05
Like look at it, it dresses, you know, 36, 37.
35:10
If it does stay, you think and come on.
35:12
Let's get about breeze.
35:13
He's more of a quiet guy.
35:15
Really a guy though, he tell this story,
35:18
I'm sure he probably,
35:19
because he does think so discreetly.
35:22
But there was an auction at the,
35:26
at the end of season awards,
35:28
and it was one of the prizes, there was five prizes,
35:31
there was some really good ones,
35:33
all involved with the players.
35:34
One of them was for Ileman and Diane.
35:37
I think it was for Tyler Diblin, as well,
35:38
to go into a school or into a school team
35:41
or any teams,
35:43
under league team or for your own kids
35:45
and doing a couple of hours coaching
35:47
and I was coaching what it was.
35:48
So there was a couple on a table somewhere
35:51
that were bidding and trying to win it for their football team.
35:54
I don't know, they must have run a football team.
35:57
And they were getting bid against by someone else
35:59
and they didn't know who,
36:01
and it got up to 12 grand,
36:04
and then someone realised it was a dresser
36:06
that was bidding against them,
36:09
and then a dresser basically outbid them.
36:11
No, what they were bidding, he was just bidding more.
36:14
And I, a couple of people thought
36:16
because he just wanted,
36:17
is me to Ileman and I to do something,
36:19
and as soon as then we called the auctioneer over and said,
36:22
donate it to them.
36:23
I want them to have that just on me.
36:26
Hope they enjoy it, that kind of thing.
36:27
So, it was a great thing.
36:29
Doing his badges, but top guy,
36:32
these kind of stories go unnoticed within the game,
36:35
mainly only the bad stories,
36:37
the jack realist sort of stuff gets talked about
36:40
from that night, Jack was,
36:42
I think it came out publicly,
36:43
Jack had had a couple of drinks in the afternoon,
36:46
thoroughly enjoyed himself.
36:47
I loved it.
36:48
It's good on him.
36:49
Boats, that story came out,
36:51
but the, just the day gay story didn't come out.
36:53
Yeah, of course it does.
36:54
You know, about the donation and all that,
36:57
he's been in there for the last three months now,
37:00
because our baby's in their train of a night,
37:02
and he's in there watching the sessions,
37:03
doing the sessions,
37:04
he's in there till eight, nine o'clock at night.
37:07
So he's been in there all day, then he's staying back,
37:09
and he's doing the coaching sessions,
37:11
he's learning, he's ready to do that,
37:12
but he's not stepping up and sort of,
37:16
I'm not saying I'm barking now,
37:18
I'm not using that.
37:18
So we need to find it from somewhere.
37:20
Yeah, that's not his person, has it?
37:21
I mean, I'm not,
37:26
I'm trying to think of who do I say in that role, mold.
37:29
I think if Tarky's to do whatever,
37:32
he's going to make any decisions,
37:34
I think it's up to pickers,
37:35
but then what does it,
37:36
is he rather keep it as,
37:37
because he's so far away?
37:38
Not off the pitch, off the pitch, it's fine,
37:40
but on the pitch it is.
37:42
On the pitch it's hard for messages to come out.
37:44
I think you need someone to play on the pitch.
37:47
Yeah, you really do.
37:50
Yeah, you do.
37:51
I'll tell you something else.
37:52
I'm going off ever and slightly,
37:54
but that's the best of both stones.
37:59
Congrats, first of all,
38:00
on a wonderful man city career.
38:02
What are you making of this guard of honor?
38:04
Jordan the game, from both teams to walk people off?
38:08
Oh, did you see that?
38:09
No, I didn't see it.
38:09
I was on the game, I've read a lot of it.
38:11
But now, the silver goes off after, let's say, 60,
38:14
and it'll all apply,
38:15
60 to 65 minutes,
38:16
and he's about to get sucked,
38:18
or he is getting sucked.
38:19
And both teams,
38:20
Aston Villa included a man city,
38:22
he ran to the side of the pitch
38:23
and gave him a guard of honor to go off the pitch
38:25
on like 60 minutes.
38:26
It's a bit strange.
38:27
Then in the club,
38:28
and then the next thing,
38:29
the game carries on,
38:30
and then John Stone's got sucked and he did the exact same thing.
38:32
Oh, I'm going to fight.
38:33
Aston Villa players.
38:33
Why are you living with that?
38:34
I'm fighting for the Champions League place.
38:37
No, they don't eat the other.
38:38
They don't eat the other.
38:39
He's twice over here,
38:40
once through winning the Europa League.
38:43
Wow, that was a string and win that by the way.
38:46
They're a good side, then, mate.
38:47
I mean, if you want to go along with the place
38:49
for topics there,
38:50
if you want to get into a trophy,
38:52
then just,
38:53
just employ you and I, Amry.
38:54
Ooh, because he's going to win you the Europa.
38:57
He just goes on winning the Europa League.
38:58
It's his trophy, isn't it?
38:59
Of course, he just calls the United Emery Europa League.
39:01
Five times, he's winning.
39:02
Just leave it in his living room.
39:03
I mean, that's where it belongs.
39:05
I'll tell you one.
39:06
And we're almost seeing reality in squads and players
39:10
being that's what Chelsea miss.
39:13
Yeah, yeah, sure.
39:14
I fully that and I better see the reality in the team.
39:18
Imagine them with a John Teddy.
39:21
They need, well, to be fair,
39:22
I think someone came out,
39:23
this someone said they're going to be head hunting,
39:28
finished articles.
39:29
Like over the last three seasons,
39:30
they've been buying potential,
39:31
haven't they?
39:32
They go up in price,
39:34
they're going to be buying finished articles.
39:36
I'm big characters.
39:37
So I think they've now realized.
39:39
I don't believe that.
39:40
But I get to do it.
39:40
But, you know, they've got Alonzo coming in,
39:44
should be a decent coach,
39:45
what he did at Leibha Cousin.
39:47
But he's already,
39:48
you've got sort of a bit of a mess out there.
39:50
As he ends up in Andes' come out and said,
39:51
he wants to leave.
39:52
Absolutely.
39:53
Yeah, he's basically, again,
39:54
he's come out over the last day or two,
39:55
saying he wants to.
39:56
Of course you want me to leave.
39:58
Chelsea, if Chelsea said,
39:59
well, you're going to now cost 120 million,
40:01
but they sign it for 100.
40:03
I'm sure he's paying 120 million.
40:04
I mean, I do think he's a top player of us.
40:07
Top, top like.
40:09
I have a hundred and spiny million.
40:10
If you could buy Declan Rice for a hundred,
40:13
I don't know.
40:13
Would you buy Declan?
40:14
Would you buy Andes' for 120?
40:15
I just think the prices are being elevated, obviously.
40:18
But if someone comes with a hundred million,
40:20
they'll let them go.
40:21
They'll go,
40:22
they'll be happy to sign the money back.
40:23
Too right.
40:24
Too right.
40:25
But I do think he's a top player,
40:26
because even in,
40:27
they are on a great team.
40:29
And they've meshed all over the place.
40:31
You've got different managers coming in.
40:33
You've got about five different managers squads in there.
40:37
Five different managers.
40:37
I do put them once again, as I say,
40:39
is it the managers squads
40:41
or is it the director of football squad?
40:43
And this is the big thing I'm getting to.
40:45
You're second managers,
40:47
and you're dealing with players that he has nice for.
40:50
How are you second in manager?
40:51
And this way we're going,
40:53
Pep Guardiola leave him on city.
40:55
It's just now thrown out
40:57
the most powerful manager in well football.
41:00
So ease out.
41:01
There's one manager left who's got full power
41:03
on over the club, but not that's Michaela.
41:05
I don't, unless you're talking
41:07
Yegan Club comes back in place football.
41:08
Do you know how I am not?
41:09
Has he got power?
41:10
Possibly, I've,
41:12
I've really might have everything over it
41:14
or possibly, but I still think,
41:16
everyone's still done like this PSR
41:18
and everyone's still restricted at the,
41:20
I still think he made the clubs
41:21
are the top clubs,
41:22
I can obviously spend a lot of time.
41:24
Michaela, I'm setting out answers to nobody.
41:26
I think you know how anybody
41:27
still might even answer to a couple of people.
41:30
But I don't think Michaela
41:31
has answers to anybody.
41:32
But I don't think Michaela does because
41:34
he's sacked Edou,
41:35
he's sacked the director of football
41:36
so you know you're empowered.
41:37
But they packed him and even when they had wobbly times
41:41
and even then I spoke to so many artists
41:43
or fans when I was working in London
41:44
that were like,
41:45
time to get out of it at the door.
41:46
He could, they'd had a stumble.
41:48
Time to get him out.
41:48
He just can't get it done.
41:49
We're going to get knocked out of Europe.
41:51
We won't win the Premier League
41:51
and it's time to get him out and I'm thinking,
41:53
not saying that.
41:54
Just be patient with it, Jesus.
41:55
And now, yeah, just seasons a long time.
41:58
Season's a long time.
42:00
You've got to give people a chance
42:01
but you also,
42:02
and the ownership of you talking to them,
42:04
yes, did back him and they spent.
42:07
So they'd already bought Declan Rice
42:10
somewhere before.
42:10
They'd already bought someone,
42:12
a lot of people in habits and people,
42:14
this summer they spent six to 18,
42:17
probably 200,000,000,000,000,000.
42:20
This summer because they bought,
42:22
might work as a jokeresh and someone else
42:26
has a top that all of them
42:28
was between 50 and 60 million.
42:30
So they basically backed him
42:32
and committed to winning it all this year
42:34
and coming full circle back to Chelsea.
42:37
I don't know if Javier Lanzo has gone in there
42:40
without having some sort of assurances.
42:44
Can you go to assurances in the Premier League these days?
42:47
Yeah, I think he wants some sort of power.
42:48
Some sort of, come on,
42:50
I'm going to be able to have.
42:52
Javier Lanzo is not having power to Chelsea.
42:55
I don't have any goals there if he doesn't have it.
42:56
Well, Declan, he's getting it to go in
42:58
and get a job on,
43:00
but I'm telling you now,
43:01
Javier Lanzo's not calling the shots of the Chelsea.
43:04
No chance.
43:05
He ain't getting exactly who he wants.
43:06
You'll soon see,
43:08
because they want a head coach.
43:09
The amount of money still shouting down
43:11
from the talent he made.
43:12
I'm telling you, man.
43:13
Put it back, man.
43:14
No, no, right, man.
43:15
And so he's playing.
43:16
Yeah, what he says he's playing.
43:18
But I mean,
43:19
I just don't believe,
43:21
I just don't believe any manager now
43:23
who's coming into job.
43:24
I'll tell you now,
43:25
Meresca's going to City,
43:26
and Meresca will have very little power.
43:28
And if I was Meresca,
43:30
you better put your arm down,
43:31
feel folding,
43:32
and just a nursing lab,
43:33
because you need them to shine for you.
43:36
Do you think City will...
43:39
I mean, I think they got closer to the title this year
43:41
than I thought in a transition year,
43:44
two years without winning it for them now.
43:46
Do you think Meresca can bring them back?
43:50
I'm not sure.
43:51
I don't think...
43:52
I'm not sure.
43:53
I think it's going to take a year.
43:55
But I'm really not sure.
43:56
It all depends on if he can get an arm.
43:58
I just think, feel folding is the key.
44:00
I think, I think, feel folding is the that good of a footballer.
44:03
If you can put an arm down,
44:04
they can get him on side.
44:05
You've got a chance of the league.
44:06
I think he's that important.
44:07
He can be...
44:08
He's at a down...
44:09
Yeah.
44:10
He's at a down,
44:12
a bit of a down spell with regards to four.
44:13
How he, I know I was,
44:15
but how he's not in that England squad is beyond me.
44:18
It is...
44:19
I mean, please, someone...
44:21
Am I wrongly?
44:23
Now, I'm obviously the punchy boxer.
44:25
So that's just be totally, brutally honest.
44:27
Mad way, K, and Jordan Henderson.
44:30
And you've got Cole Palmer.
44:33
You've got Phil Folding, and you've got Adam Warton.
44:36
What is...
44:37
What's going on, mate?
44:39
What's going on?
44:41
This fella's 10 and up in his room
44:42
if they ain't made this stage.
44:44
Jordan Anderson's not going to play me.
44:46
At this, he's had an amazing career.
44:48
I'm not knocking him a water career.
44:49
He's won the law, fair play to him, but mate.
44:53
And I know, five years ago, Roy Keen made this comment.
44:56
Or does he do card six?
44:57
Yeah.
44:58
Does he do a single item?
44:59
I understand players need...
45:01
And people will say,
45:02
well, you talk almost to him in his squad.
45:04
I will say two things.
45:06
Firstly, I don't necessarily agree
45:09
with everything that Thomas Tuchel's done.
45:12
But secondly, that's the podcast
45:15
that we're going to do next.
45:17
So that's not trying to take up all of our...
45:19
OK, yeah, OK, let's forget the wipe that out.
45:21
We're going to talk about that next round.
45:23
I'm fucking furious.
45:24
Let's go back to the managers.
45:25
Yeah, Michael, that's the E1 Premier League manager of the year.
45:29
He didn't win the CLX FAQs in the ward,
45:31
which is the overarching manager
45:32
for cross-all leagues.
45:33
Lampard, wouldn't he?
45:34
Do you think that's fair?
45:36
That's all that's been robbed?
45:37
I don't, I wouldn't say robbed.
45:39
Because Frank's done a great job there.
45:41
Do you know if Glasgow's no one's a Glasgow sugar?
45:44
There's been a couple of contenders.
45:45
I go back to who I am.
45:47
Who I am, right?
45:48
He was nominated.
45:50
He was up for...
45:51
In nearly...
45:52
He's sorry, he got them in a fight for the championship,
45:55
although they didn't actually stay in it all season long.
45:58
They obviously qualified for the Champions League twice over.
46:02
I win in the Europa League as well.
46:05
Irayola, getting Bournemouth into Europe
46:07
and going 18 games on beating for Bournemouth
46:10
from where they are, Outstanding.
46:15
It doesn't sit well, me, the Bournemouth one.
46:17
There's just over a cheve, and that's it, by the way.
46:20
That's the point, yeah, that's where she gets it.
46:22
I know, yeah, but you know, Glasgow's not the best chapter in nearly all that.
46:25
Well, if you're talking...
46:26
She wants something, if you're doing it last year,
46:28
potentially winning this year, because it's tonight.
46:31
And that's what I'll be honest with,
46:33
he is losing his best players and all the footballs.
46:35
He's also leaving himself.
46:36
I know, yeah, but he's losing his best players
46:38
hand every time he loses his best players.
46:40
He's lost the best centre-off in the country.
46:42
He's lost the best winners in the country.
46:44
They lost three or the back four, maybe even both four,
46:46
the back four over the summer, and still managed to improve.
46:49
So it's not about...
46:51
It fundamentally is about overachieving.
46:55
That's what gets you a shot.
46:57
That's what gets you a shot.
46:58
These managers guarantee these jobs, and this one annoys me again,
47:00
is because it's like, well, the job potted on a brighten.
47:03
It was really good.
47:04
Then you step to a plate where, you know what?
47:07
You know, we're expected to win every week now.
47:09
We can win or we can't win each week.
47:10
When you're expecting it, the pressure is different.
47:13
And then also, you're walking to a dressing room full of egos.
47:16
And this is the part that annoys me,
47:18
because a manager is no longer a manager,
47:19
no more on a head coach, though, it is no longer a head coach.
47:22
He's a psychiatrist.
47:24
He's basically an egos, my sus.
47:27
He's like, let's get on with it.
47:28
Come on, get a grip yourself.
47:30
Sort yourselves out, and it's just a...
47:33
It's supposed to just go on down the bend.
47:36
It's doing me a cap in.
47:37
I've had enough.
47:38
I have, I mean...
47:39
Obviously, and actually, he's lost six games at these last six games.
47:43
It's whatever number to me.
47:45
But, come on, I'll say.
47:46
I understand that.
47:47
Michael manages to do that.
47:50
I...
47:52
It's hard to argue that Frank Lampard's not been brilliant this season.
47:56
No, he's definitely been really good at that.
47:57
But then, you look at the winners of each league.
48:00
Each division could be in for a show.
48:03
Those that got promoted by the playoffs, you know.
48:07
Bolton just got promoted.
48:08
Spidey.
48:09
Yeah, you know, the whole getting up with it, you know,
48:12
you could pick, you could pick anyone.
48:15
Who would you pick?
48:16
I, I personally would have picked Bickel.
48:18
Yeah.
48:19
I just, to be in the Champions League final,
48:21
to have won the Premier League for the first time after the job he's done
48:25
from, I know, it's a six-year project,
48:27
but the job he's done and finally got over the line.
48:30
He's been being doubted along the way.
48:32
Yeah, I would have gone with him this year.
48:35
He's the greatest manager of our area now, generation.
48:37
He's beaten.
48:38
So did slot last year though, and that's not, that's not age well.
48:41
I mean, yeah, you're right there.
48:44
When it comes to you.
48:46
So no, you had to get there.
48:47
Yeah, yeah, that's you done well.
48:49
Well, good job.
48:50
But ultimately, I can't believe that the decisions being made on a show
48:56
if you like that before the Champions League final,
48:59
because everyone would give it to Michael after the Champions League final.
49:02
If he wins that.
49:03
It's not even a debate, is it?
49:04
You've made the decision.
49:06
How stupid are the people who've made that decision luck?
49:08
Is it done over all of it?
49:10
Everything in the season, or has it done on just league for him?
49:12
I think the other my awards is based on.
49:14
I've got a chance.
49:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
49:16
Is it based on everything?
49:17
Yeah, well, they probably should wait a little bit longer.
49:19
Like player of the year, Bruno Fernandez is one player of the year,
49:23
any twice over the football writers and the other player of the year.
49:28
Because definitely, I should be the two.
49:29
Well, I would, I think Declan and I seven driven
49:33
Arsenal to where they are being a huge part of it.
49:35
But most of us, the people who tell you that would right,
49:38
it's been as if not more influential for their team.
49:42
We tend to look over goalkeepers, don't we?
49:44
We're not giving them the another golden glove for them.
49:47
Three seasons on the run.
49:50
He's got a nice one.
49:52
He's the third goalkeeper to do it.
49:54
Edison, did it?
49:56
Did Banda sah do it?
49:58
There's been a couple of keepers, but not many.
50:01
Pepe Rainer, did it?
50:02
Yeah, there's been a few keepers, but not many keeper.
50:05
Three on the run.
50:06
No, he actually did get 21 assists
50:12
coming the end of the season, which is the all-time record.
50:15
So he's definitely in the conversation.
50:18
Too much stat driven now.
50:21
When you were playing, did you even talk
50:22
or did you even hear the way the system?
50:25
Ouch, Tony.
50:27
It's not on me.
50:28
It's not on me.
50:29
You've got to load them.
50:32
You know, when you were playing, I don't remember people going like,
50:34
what have you got to assist today?
50:36
Or like, what anyone?
50:37
No, yeah, it wasn't a big thing.
50:39
So speak to Steve McMahon about this as well.
50:44
E-8s it, because he's like, they didn't
50:47
use to proper do assists back in the day.
50:49
So they might have given, I don't know,
50:52
50 for tapping to give them a tap in if they look back now,
50:55
but I'm just saying there would have been loads more
50:58
when I'm involved in the game.
51:00
It was to give Robbie Fowler at least.
51:02
And if you're doing all the stats,
51:05
I think I'd have probably got a lot more.
51:06
So it is staturated, but we as the public love it.
51:12
Yeah, we do.
51:13
We as the public buy into it and love it.
51:14
And that's why it's, that's why it is.
51:16
You fantasy football and you've got your this
51:18
and you've got to generate in the stats.
51:21
And you've got, yeah, how am I betting?
51:22
You've got was getting excited.
51:24
And then we got to talk and point a Bruno Fernandez,
51:26
21 assists, but only eight of them
51:29
or nine of them are from open play.
51:31
You're the best.
51:32
How bad is that?
51:33
No, it's eight of them.
51:34
Takes their pieces, don't he?
51:35
Roya the rovers.
51:36
Eight of them from an open play.
51:37
Roya the rovers, he takes everything.
51:39
Just take the award, but.
51:40
Do you do?
51:41
Does that take a bit off in us?
51:43
No, but no, because obviously ten of them
51:47
are just crosses into the box.
51:48
And don't tell me, I don't care what you say.
51:50
No one's good enough.
51:51
You've got a group in the box.
51:53
You're not saying I'm putting it on Harry McGuire's head.
51:55
He's right.
51:56
And then the pieces play, take his will,
51:58
end up with more assists.
52:02
Bains he had loads of assists because, yes, he had unbelievable.
52:05
Crosses.
52:06
But he took his stuff.
52:07
But he took his stuff.
52:08
He took his stuff.
52:09
Sorry, Basie, and all of it.
52:12
Well, look, I was laughing at people
52:15
who talk about set pieces that aren't important.
52:17
Or crosses aren't important.
52:19
Bany and I had, and I know this was one game.
52:22
But as I could be the most important game in United
52:24
History, they came from one hill behind
52:27
in the 90th minute against Bayern Munich
52:29
with two set pieces, two corner kicks that won them the game.
52:33
It's always, but now it's not greater
52:35
when it wins stuff on corners.
52:36
And yes, it's over the whole season with Arsenal,
52:39
and it can be a bit...
52:41
Wait, if ever...
52:42
You're not buying some corners.
52:43
FD goals from a set piece.
52:44
It's a set piece.
52:45
Yeah, very special.
52:46
It's a set piece on a lap.
52:47
It's a set piece on a lap.
52:48
So, of course, they're all huge buyers.
52:50
I love it.
52:51
If ever.
52:52
I mean it.
52:53
You can get your next season every goal set piece.
52:55
I'll take it now.
52:56
Thank you very much.
52:57
And that is why I think Arsenal can win the Champions League.
53:02
It's going to be my final question.
53:03
That's a hard one.
53:04
That's why I think they can win the Champions League Final.
53:06
I would say they will.
53:07
PSG are outstanding.
53:10
They've got the best front three in the world football.
53:13
Heavy favorites.
53:14
Heavy favorites.
53:15
They can...
53:16
But Arsenal are arguably one of the best defences.
53:19
I think they are possibly the only team.
53:21
I think they are possibly...
53:22
They've got a great defense in the Champions League.
53:25
So, they are the anti-PSG.
53:27
If they hang in there.
53:28
And they defend and they frustrate.
53:30
And they win a couple of court.
53:31
I don't know.
53:32
I think about the size of PSG, by the way.
53:34
But you know what?
53:35
You've got some very diminutive players.
53:36
The midfielders are tiny.
53:38
Carach Kelly is not going to head loads.
53:40
Dembele is not a bigger head.
53:41
You don't also forget.
53:42
If he's even fit.
53:43
When they won if they can defend or so privately.
53:45
Because they showed that up behind.
53:47
And so, they've got two ways to the game.
53:49
I'm not sure Arsenal are anywhere near.
53:52
They may be able to defend a little bit better than PSG.
53:55
But they're not even in the system.
53:56
I'm not saying that.
53:57
I'm not saying that.
53:58
But I've seen games won a lost by the team.
54:01
They're all as good as the other team.
54:03
Because they're stubborn.
54:04
They defend.
54:05
They get a little bit of luck.
54:06
They get a little bit of luck.
54:07
They get a little bit of luck.
54:08
They get a little bit of luck.
54:09
If they get an Arsenal.
54:11
Come on then, yeah.
54:12
All of us.
54:13
All of us.
54:14
In the same way you took PSG last time.
54:17
I did, yeah.
54:18
I did take PSG.
54:19
I actually won Arsenal.
54:20
I won Arsenal.
54:21
I actually won.
54:22
But you think PSG.
54:23
I think PSG.
54:24
I'll pull out.
54:25
I think PSG.
54:26
I think PSG.
54:27
But I'll take it.
54:28
I'll take it.
54:29
You're pulling me into it.
54:30
I'll take it.
54:31
And I'll take it.
54:32
I'll take it.
54:33
I'll take it.
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Because I think.
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I don't know how PSG stop Arsenal on set pieces.
54:38
So let's just say I'll still get five corners.
54:40
I think I'll have to look at that.
54:41
They could score two goals and five corners.
54:44
Because their delivery is outstanding.
54:46
They've got people that had the ball brilliantly.
54:48
And I look at PSG and wonder about their size.
54:51
If it's a game without set pieces.
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PSG probably win.
54:55
I think right now.
54:56
But it's not a game without set pieces.
54:57
I think it's right now as we speak.
54:59
He's the best act of management in the world.
55:01
Luis Enrique.
55:02
And he's shown.
55:03
Is that because Pep's just out of a job?
55:05
Or is that he's just showing our versus it?
55:07
I'm not going to lie.
55:08
I want to impress me the most.
55:09
Who's going to be able to do what he's done.
55:11
He just shut up shop.
55:12
And that showed me this fellow can do it all.
55:15
Because when you can shut up shop in a game so important.
55:17
With the same personnel.
55:19
Exactly.
55:20
That was key.
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That's down to the manager.
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I'm sorry.
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Because he showed he can just go for it at home.
55:25
And I can shut up shop way.
55:26
And like I said, when it's the same personnel.
55:29
That's a manager's tactics mate.
55:31
That's not like a player's playing.
55:33
It's down to the manager.
55:34
He's drilled into them.
55:35
And they're all fighting for them.
55:36
They're all playing for them.
55:37
What a manager.
55:38
What a team.
55:39
So what's the score going to be?
55:41
3-1.
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PSG.
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Yeah.
55:44
I do hope I'm wrong.
55:45
I hope it's 1-0 or 2-0.
55:47
To the last snowboard.
55:48
Because I've met Tecran.
55:49
No, the good lead.
55:50
And I've known the girl.
55:52
I don't know many, way near like a house.
55:53
But being around in many years.
55:55
Go away.
55:56
And just stop it.
55:57
And I'd be made up for lucky.
55:59
So lucky.
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Yeah.
56:01
Maybe nobody did.
56:02
Of the party videos.
56:03
I've been since off.
56:04
And I've been since off.
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And the party videos he sent me.
56:08
In my sons together in June.
56:10
So I'd love for them to get the job done.
56:12
It'd be brilliant for them.
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really important. I think Arsenal in extra time. I'm going to I'm going to even say
56:19
2-2 and then Arsenal with another set piece in extra time. I want you to really believe
56:25
know because you've just said you're three in LPR state.