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Medicinal Mushrooms, Gut Health & Natural Energy | Ben Bressington on Healing Burnout · Willow Healing Matters Podcast

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SPEAKER_02: Hey everyone,
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it's Catherine Crestani with another episode of Willow Healing
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Matters and today I
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SPEAKER_02: am joined by Benjamin Bressington also known as Ben the Mushroom Guy.
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SPEAKER_02: He's the founder of Bear Remedy,
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a holistic health company on a mission to help 1 million people
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a year take back
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SPEAKER_02: control of their health using nature's most powerful remedies
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SPEAKER_02: like the wild mushrooms.
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SPEAKER_02: With a background in law and criminology from Australia,
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Ben spent over a decade advising Fortune 1000 companies on
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behavior design and
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SPEAKER_02: gamified persuasion strategies.
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SPEAKER_02: He later founded AutomateBoring.net, which he helped
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So now as the voice behind Bear Remedies Medicine Man combines
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ancient wisdom with
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SPEAKER_02: cutting edge science,
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SPEAKER_02: offering daily wellness protocols,
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SPEAKER_02: immune boosting supplements and simple guidance.
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SPEAKER_02: for Real Healing.
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SPEAKER_02: He is also the author of several books,
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SPEAKER_02: including People Ignorant,
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SPEAKER_02: Unlocking Success,
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SPEAKER_02: Confidence,
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SPEAKER_02: and Influence.
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SPEAKER_02: When he's not formulating mushroom-based remedies,
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SPEAKER_02: you'll find him cycling or RVing across the US with his psychic,
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SPEAKER_02: Bailey,
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SPEAKER_02: the world's sassiest cocker spaniel.
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SPEAKER_02: So a big welcome to the show, Ben.
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SPEAKER_03: Hey, I'm excited to be here.
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SPEAKER_02: What an amazing biography to read.
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SPEAKER_02: I love how you've just been all these spans of life,
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SPEAKER_02: but how did you land into the wild mushroom world that you're in now?
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SPEAKER_03: It was really by chance.
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So I helped scale a company from about $250,000 to $150 million
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in business done in
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SPEAKER_03: less than nine months.
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SPEAKER_03: I built up the automation solutions.
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SPEAKER_03: I was extremely burnt out.
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SPEAKER_03: And just before my partners were meant to give me a big payday of
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SPEAKER_03: Two days before,
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they decided to fire my ass in a way that they thought they
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wouldn't have to pay me
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SPEAKER_03: my payouts because they're like,
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SPEAKER_03: hey,
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SPEAKER_03: if we just buy him and just run off from the business now,
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SPEAKER_03: we won't have to pay him and we'll just take all this stuff.
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Result and funny this they did it literally as I was just going
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into the mountains
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for a few days off since I hadn't had any days off in like
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eight months so like
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they intentionally did this which resulted in a little bit of
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depression and a
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little bit of an identity crisis of myself going I just
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invested 20 hours a day for
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the last eight months into this I invested everything I had to
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build up the systems
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SPEAKER_03: and the teams and the technology and absolutely everything
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SPEAKER_03: And then you kind of like, you get that email and you're like, what?
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SPEAKER_03: The living, like in the words of the Virgin Mary come again?
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SPEAKER_03: Like what?
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SPEAKER_03: And it's just like, that's in general a little path of depression.
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SPEAKER_03: And funny enough,
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I just had an opportunity appear when I was kind of stumbling
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around going,
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SPEAKER_03: well,
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SPEAKER_03: what do I really want to do?
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SPEAKER_03: And what makes me happy?
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SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of like my probably tense midlife process.
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SPEAKER_03: And it was just like, well, I actually did a landing.
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which resulted in me acquiring a mushroom company as part of a
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lean deal.
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SPEAKER_03: And it got me into the world of mushrooms.
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And I knew nothing about mushrooms,
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wasn't really taking mushrooms,
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enjoyed eating mushrooms.
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SPEAKER_03: I had never done a mushroom trip, like any of that stuff, right?
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SPEAKER_03: So I was like completely virginal to the world of mushrooms.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_03: It's got nothing to do with marketing.
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SPEAKER_03: It's got nothing to do with...
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the companies I was involved with previously or having to
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consult to Fortune 100
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companies around the world where you have meetings about the
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agendas of future
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meetings and like all that BS that I'm like life is too short
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for this shit I'm
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SPEAKER_03: like yeah I'm just gonna sell mushrooms and just
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SPEAKER_03: Be a rolling hippie And then,
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because I remember the days of going through Byron Bay And that
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area there,
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SPEAKER_03: like it's a beautiful part of the country And I'm like,
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SPEAKER_03: man,
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SPEAKER_03: this seems to be something It's way better than practice in law,
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SPEAKER_03: that's for sure So,
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SPEAKER_03: yeah,
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it just got me down in the world of mushrooms And then I was
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just constantly going,
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SPEAKER_03: how do we create a better product?
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SPEAKER_03: How do we create a better product?
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SPEAKER_03: Because I was completely disgusted
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in the mushroom industry and what was going on and how they put
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the true healing of
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it second or third after profits first and I was just like if
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you can create a
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great product like a product that like we're a mushroom company
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that goes try my
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product if you don't feel any benefits within 30 minutes just
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don't even buy our
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SPEAKER_03: stuff only 5% of people buy our product because
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SPEAKER_03: They feel something in as little as five minutes,
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SPEAKER_03: their brain fog disappears,
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SPEAKER_03: all this type of stuff,
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SPEAKER_03: but it requires me to not compromise on the integrity of the product,
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SPEAKER_03: on how the product is produced,
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SPEAKER_03: the extraction methodology,
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SPEAKER_03: all of that type of stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: Doing so is allowing us to build this mushroom movement where we're now,
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SPEAKER_03: we started in the world of tinctures,
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SPEAKER_03: creating super high quality tinctures that really help people,
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SPEAKER_03: brain fog,
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SPEAKER_03: menopause,
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SPEAKER_03: energy,
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SPEAKER_03: relaxation,
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SPEAKER_03: insomnia,
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SPEAKER_03: sleep,
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SPEAKER_03: that type of stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: Now we're moving into mushroom jerky,
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SPEAKER_03: mushroom bacon,
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SPEAKER_03: and a few other mushroom-based meals and just continuing to expand.
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So that's kind of really been the eclectic journey and I didn't
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really even take
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SPEAKER_03: the mushroom business seriously.
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When I was 16,
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I used to go from Rockhampton,
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Queensland,
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Brisbane,
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Queensland.
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It's at the bottom of the Great Barrier Reef for anyone who
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actually knows which
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side of the country that is on and that's not the Perth side
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for anyone in the US.
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SPEAKER_03: They always go, that's close to Perth, right?
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SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh yeah, just a short drive, just down the road.
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SPEAKER_03: I usually tell most Americans I'm from South Boston and they're like,
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SPEAKER_03: oh yeah,
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SPEAKER_03: I hear the accent now.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm like, oh, you've never traveled, right?
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So when I was 16 I used to go to Hong Kong Go to trade shows
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And I would find
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products And then sell those products online Back in 2000 That
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was an e-commerce
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That was a Yahoo e-commerce store And I was a 16 year old Doing
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products So selling
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stuff online Has always been what I've done And I just was like
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My first year in
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SPEAKER_03: business Selling the mushroom supplements Um
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We literally were selling mushroom supplements while I did
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40,000 miles traveling
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SPEAKER_03: around the U.S.
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SPEAKER_03: in my RV And it was at the end of that year,
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SPEAKER_03: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_03: holy shit,
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SPEAKER_03: there may be something more to this Like,
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let's take this a little bit more seriously Now I'm building a
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28-acre mushroom
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farm And we're bringing in a whole bunch of interesting
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mushroom tech to the U.S.
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SPEAKER_03: that has never existed here Because being Australian,
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SPEAKER_03: I bring an international perspective,
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SPEAKER_03: if that makes sense
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, it does.
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SPEAKER_02: But also, you're not bound by the culture that you're living in, I guess.
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SPEAKER_02: God, no.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, knowing exactly where you are.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: You know,
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and it comes to what perspective and then because you've got
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that unique background
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SPEAKER_02: and you've always,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: you know how to market it,
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SPEAKER_02: you know how to sell it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like,
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SPEAKER_02: no,
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SPEAKER_02: now I want to focus on what actually matters to me,
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SPEAKER_02: like you said,
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and coming back to creating a quality product that people
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actually find the benefit
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SPEAKER_02: from so that they can be themselves again,
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SPEAKER_02: right?
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SPEAKER_02: And not get stuck in all the meetings about meetings.
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And I know exactly what you're talking about,
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where it's like,
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this could have been an email.
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SPEAKER_02: No, this didn't have to be a 40-minute meeting of my life.
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SPEAKER_02: This could have been a two-minute email.
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SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_03: And then it comes down like, well, at the end of the day, life is short.
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And the things that have happened over the last few years
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really show you like,
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SPEAKER_03: okay,
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SPEAKER_03: what's really going to matter?
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I'm a big believer that I believe over the next few years
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there's going to be a massive food.
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SPEAKER_03: Impact,
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SPEAKER_03: impact on fresh food,
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SPEAKER_03: impact on quality food,
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SPEAKER_03: impacting on food you want to eat,
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everything from seeds to we're already starting to see a hiccup
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in the packaging
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SPEAKER_03: arena for food or packaging for anything,
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SPEAKER_03: but like packaging for food.
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SPEAKER_03: So like if you can't get the packaging for food,
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manufacturing companies aren't even going to be able to release
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product because
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SPEAKER_03: There's going to be no plastics.
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So there's going to be a whole bunch of interesting things
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happening that I don't
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SPEAKER_03: think most people are prepared for.
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SPEAKER_03: And when you're talking about your health,
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SPEAKER_03: it becomes very,
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SPEAKER_03: very interesting on how do you have some sovereignty with your health and
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SPEAKER_03: understand that,
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SPEAKER_03: hey,
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the systems that we thought we could trust aren't actually
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there to get us healthy.
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SPEAKER_03: They're there to keep us in the systems
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And that's why when you start looking at some of these
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treatments like mushrooms or
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SPEAKER_03: everything,
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SPEAKER_03: it's bad.
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Like I literally had 5,000 clients of a product last year on a
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product that were
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SPEAKER_03: getting off cannabis,
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loving it because the mushroom would actually help with pain
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and inflammation and
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SPEAKER_03: the mushroom would actually help with brain clarity,
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SPEAKER_03: not cause brain fog like CBD or cannabis does,
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SPEAKER_03: right?
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SPEAKER_03: Yet the FDA,
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SPEAKER_03: this magical organization that knows best for everybody's health,
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SPEAKER_03: right,
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SPEAKER_03: ruled that this mushroom is a bad mushroom.
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SPEAKER_03: And I looked at their research and I'm like,
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SPEAKER_03: did you make this shit up off Wikipedia or Reddit post?
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SPEAKER_03: Or like, where the hell is this research coming from?
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SPEAKER_03: Because I've got 3,000 plus case studies.
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that have been documented for in excess of 100 years that show
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none of this bullshit.
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SPEAKER_03: And they literally ban the product.
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SPEAKER_03: And the way they ban the products here in the U.S.
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SPEAKER_03: is they pass a ruling and then they make the banks enforce it.
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SPEAKER_03: And I know in the U.K.
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SPEAKER_03: they've actually already banned two forms of mushrooms,
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SPEAKER_03: coiticeps and reishi,
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SPEAKER_03: which have been clinically,
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SPEAKER_03: yeah,
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SPEAKER_03: in the U.K.
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So I actually had to pull back a whole bunch of inventory
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around the world.
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SPEAKER_03: We were shipping around the world,
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SPEAKER_03: but then all of a sudden it just started becoming problematic.
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SPEAKER_03: We can no longer sell in Sweden or Europe There was issues in our French
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SPEAKER_03: distribution and all this type of stuff And it's just,
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there's this whole turmoil happening with holistic alternatives
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And then so like I
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actually had to recall all of our stock internationally from
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all around the world
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SPEAKER_03: And now we're just focusing on the US,
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SPEAKER_03: getting those systems right,
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getting everything operational here Which is unfortunate
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because we had hundreds of
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people internationally Who are greatly benefiting and we can
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literally no longer
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SPEAKER_03: serve
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which is so fascinating but it's really interesting too because
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it's like in New
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Zealand right vitamin C you have to now get through
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prescription and I'm like but
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it's vitamin C that you can't really overdose on it or anything
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like you can but
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you know you're just going to end up going the toilet a lot and
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maybe throwing up
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SPEAKER_02: but at the same time it's not going to lead to your death
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and it's really interesting when you start to look at the
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studies and the doses of
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things that they give and when you look deeper into the
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evidence and who funds the
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studies and where you start to trace and go deeper and you ask
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better questions.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, that's if people can ask better questions because what's funny is
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Yeah My degrees in Australia taught me one thing was to ask
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quality questions or
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ask logical questions and do your own research where here in
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the US research is a
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TikTok case study and the thing is is like the crap that people
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come to me with is
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ridiculous I'm just like where on God's green earth did you get
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all of this data oh
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SPEAKER_03: I saw all these TikTok videos about it I'm like you'd
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's the caliber of research.
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And there's a massive issue I know of influencers who are
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literally just hyping
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SPEAKER_03: things,
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not understanding the ramifications of what they do to people
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because they're
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SPEAKER_03: influenced.
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And they say stuff that they will never do,
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but they do it for hype and attention.
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So it's a fascinating game when you're looking at holistic
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health and what gets
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SPEAKER_03: hyped isn't actually necessarily what's best.
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Yeah and I find that so I'm very much one that teaches people
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especially my clients
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to use their own discernment and trust what aligns for them we
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have different body
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makeups we have different gut biomes everything like that what
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works for one person
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might not work for another person so it's like if you feel that
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you resonate with
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SPEAKER_02: the type of mushroom over another
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then go with that you know if that works for you then go with
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that if not and then
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don't do that you know trust what how you feel not what
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everyone's telling you you
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know even the biohacking movement at the moment and I'm not
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saying it's a bad thing
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SPEAKER_02: but I'm like how about you just go outside
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: but if I wear this headlight sensor,
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SPEAKER_02: I can sit on the couch while I'm watching TV,
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SPEAKER_02: eating my bag or whatever.
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SPEAKER_02: Here's something that's very, very interesting.
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SPEAKER_03: GLP1, GLP2, huge, right?
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SPEAKER_03: We're actually just about to bring in,
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SPEAKER_03: because we've been making a candy line,
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SPEAKER_03: a hard candy line,
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SPEAKER_03: and because we're doing a jerky,
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SPEAKER_03: I didn't want to use,
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SPEAKER_03: we don't use anything artificial,
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SPEAKER_03: I don't use any artificial colors or flavorings,
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SPEAKER_03: anything like that.
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SPEAKER_03: And with our jerky,
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SPEAKER_03: we're about to bring in a Japanese sugar of all things,
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SPEAKER_03: a Japanese sugar,
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SPEAKER_03: because it's the standard sugar offered in Japan in all of their drinks,
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SPEAKER_03: because a lot of the other sugars are actually banned,
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SPEAKER_03: because
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they know they're not good for them and this one sugar is so
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clean it actually
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comes from dates and prunes and things like that and it
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actually stimulates GLP-1
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and GLP-2 so you can have sugar to actually cause weight loss
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and I had no idea
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about it when I started reading it and reading this research on
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it and what the
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SPEAKER_03: Japanese do with it I was just like
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SPEAKER_03: Oh, this stuff is actually really freaking cool.
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And it doesn't have that shitty aftertaste because it's
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actually a proper cleaner sugar.
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And I love how they make the brown cane sugar,
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but it's literally food coloring on white sugar.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm just laughing because it's like all those fake things, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So it's like that whole...
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like fats are bad for you right like the yes there's good fat
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bad fat but at the
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same time as that whole like fats are bad for you and then oh
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but we're going to
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put sugar in there instead you know because we've taken out all
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the flavor and
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SPEAKER_02: taken out all the fat
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SPEAKER_02: And I remember years and years ago,
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SPEAKER_02: like I said to somebody,
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SPEAKER_02: they're like,
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SPEAKER_02: oh,
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SPEAKER_02: why don't you have low fat milk?
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
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SPEAKER_02: because I can burn off the fat,
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SPEAKER_02: but I can't burn off the sugar or whatever else they're putting in there.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know what those chemicals are.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't know anything else, Ben.
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SPEAKER_02: I just said that, you know, intuitively.
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SPEAKER_02: And they're like, I guess you can burn off the fat.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And then it turns out you actually,
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SPEAKER_02: we should go back to cooking with fats and we should go back to having,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: like avocados,
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SPEAKER_02: which apparently got a bad rap and,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: everything else.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, it's everything in moderation.
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SPEAKER_03: But what you said,
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SPEAKER_03: I think,
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SPEAKER_03: is one of the things you actually said is actually really,
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SPEAKER_03: really smart that most people don't understand with any holistic health,
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SPEAKER_03: and it's dosage and potency.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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SPEAKER_03: Like everyone cites,
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SPEAKER_03: like for example,
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SPEAKER_03: everyone cites the case studies with lion's mane,
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how it can reverse Alzheimer's and dementia and help with brain
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fog and things like
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SPEAKER_03: this.
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SPEAKER_03: But what they don't say is it's 3,000 milligrams.
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SPEAKER_03: And what is that in a dosage?
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So therefore,
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if you're to take that every single day,
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what does that look like?
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SPEAKER_03: And is the product you're taking,
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SPEAKER_03: does it even,
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like a lot of them don't even have 3,000 milligrams in the
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entire offering.
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SPEAKER_03: All right.
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So the thing is,
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is dosage and potency becomes a dirty word in this industry.
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And I tell people,
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look,
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I offer you a clinical dose in every dropper full.
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SPEAKER_03: This is why you feel it in 15 minutes.
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SPEAKER_03: Like it may be strong, right?
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SPEAKER_03: But this is why we're
15:53
So you want me to fill it with the artificial stuff so it's
15:55
easier for you.
15:56
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, it's just
16:09
It's not the worst thing in life,
16:12
but it facilitates you to actually feel better.
16:15
SPEAKER_03: So dosage and potency is very, very important.
16:18
SPEAKER_03: And in this space,
16:19
I've learned that most people really don't understand what
16:22
questions to ask when it
16:23
SPEAKER_03: comes to dosage and potency,
16:24
SPEAKER_03: nor do they understand
16:26
Different extraction types And how they get demystified by
16:30
marketing And I can
16:31
happily explain that to you If it makes any of your clients of
16:35
interest Because if
16:36
you can understand these one things Around dosage and potency
16:40
You'll understand how
16:41
to choose better quality supplements And it's not necessarily
16:45
what you think
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Well,
16:48
I have a really practical example of this and it's not to do
16:50
with mushrooms,
16:51
SPEAKER_02: but when I was pregnant,
16:53
SPEAKER_02: like I was looking for just supplements to take before I felt pregnant.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: So folic acid is a big one, right?
16:58
Everyone talks about folic acid,
16:59
helps,
17:00
you know,
17:00
counteract the spina bifida.
17:02
Anyway,
17:02
but I went in with knowing my dosages of what I was meant to
17:05
have a day,
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right?
17:07
So I went in with that knowledge and I pull up the common
17:11
supplement that all the
17:12
SPEAKER_02: women get told to take
17:13
and it wasn't even a tenth of the folic acid that you needed to
17:18
actually counteract this.
17:19
SPEAKER_02: So I was sitting there going,
17:21
SPEAKER_02: well,
17:21
SPEAKER_02: why would I buy this when it doesn't even,
17:24
SPEAKER_02: like I'd have to have 10 of these tablets in order to get enough.
17:27
SPEAKER_02: That's not going to balance out.
17:29
SPEAKER_02: And I guess that's where exactly like you said,
17:31
SPEAKER_02: knowing that dosage and the potency that you need and also the quality of
17:35
of what it is because you know even if you take fish oil some
17:39
fish oils are not the
17:39
same as other fish oils like they're actually not good for you
17:42
you know vitamin c
17:44
some types of vitamin c aren't good for you whereas the other
17:46
ones are more likely
17:47
to be absorbed in your body so I guess from the mushroom
17:51
perspective do you want to
17:52
SPEAKER_02: share where that kind of comes in
17:54
yeah so most so there's a study out there actually about some
17:58
of the leading
17:59
mushroom capsules because some people are like oh man I don't
18:02
take that mushroom
18:02
coffee stuff because it tastes like crap all right well we will
18:05
side note that and
18:05
we'll talk about that in a minute but I 100% agree that shit
18:09
tastes like crap and
18:10
there's life is too short for shitty wine shitty coffee and
18:12
shitty people so yes
18:16
Most mushroom capsules out there or even a lot of the other
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supplement capsules out
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SPEAKER_03: there,
18:20
SPEAKER_03: I do know it's specifically related to mushrooms,
18:23
SPEAKER_03: are 42% sawdust.
18:26
SPEAKER_03: What?
18:27
SPEAKER_03: 42% filler.
18:28
SPEAKER_03: So just think about that.
18:29
SPEAKER_03: You're taking a big name product.
18:31
SPEAKER_03: This is the big name ones, right?
18:33
SPEAKER_03: The big money ones.
18:35
SPEAKER_03: And it's 42% sawdust.
18:36
SPEAKER_03: Dirt.
18:40
SPEAKER_03: Now you're putting that into your system and you're wondering,
18:42
SPEAKER_03: man,
18:42
SPEAKER_03: why am I just not running smooth?
18:45
Why do I feel foggy when this thing's meant to help me think
18:49
clearly,
18:49
right?
18:50
SPEAKER_03: Why is this thing the size of a horse pill?
18:52
SPEAKER_03: Because if it's not big in the US, nobody takes it seriously.
18:56
SPEAKER_03: An example of that.
18:59
SPEAKER_03: Exactly, like it's supersized me, right?
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SPEAKER_03: Like you come to the US, you put on 20 pounds.
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SPEAKER_03: It's just how it is.
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So the thing is,
19:04
is I released a mushroom gummy last year and we did a lot of
19:07
testing with this.
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SPEAKER_03: And our mushroom gummy, I'm like, I wanted a gummy you can feel, right?
19:11
So we had one gummy in comparison to our competitors where
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you'd have to eat eight
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SPEAKER_03: to 12 of their gummies to even get anywhere close,
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SPEAKER_03: right?
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So,
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but people are like,
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but I take one of your gummies and I don't feel like I've had
19:24
enough.
19:24
SPEAKER_03: I just want more of them.
19:26
So they actually wanted less powerful things that they get to
19:29
eat more frequently
19:30
SPEAKER_03: rather than having just one powerful one to get on with their day,
19:33
SPEAKER_03: which makes it very fascinating.
19:34
It's fascinating understanding what people are actually looking
19:37
for versus what they need.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: But when you're talking about dosage and potency,
19:41
I'll explain the different methods of extraction and in a way
19:45
that every Australian
19:46
SPEAKER_03: can understand because it took me a long time to understand this.
19:48
SPEAKER_03: So I'll distill several years of research and knowledge in this space.
19:52
So when you talk about,
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okay,
19:54
here's a test for you,
19:55
Catherine,
19:55
to see how your skills are.
19:57
SPEAKER_03: How would you describe a water-based extraction?
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SPEAKER_02: Water-based extraction.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_03: so most tinctures,
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SPEAKER_03: extractions of any lotion,
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SPEAKER_03: potion,
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SPEAKER_03: herb,
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SPEAKER_03: whatever,
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SPEAKER_03: they start as a water-based extraction.
20:09
SPEAKER_03: What would be a metaphor?
20:10
SPEAKER_03: What would be an analogy?
20:12
SPEAKER_03: How would you describe it to a layman?
20:14
SPEAKER_03: Look at the brain working here.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look at my brain working.
20:17
SPEAKER_03: I can see the smoke off this one.
20:20
SPEAKER_03: I didn't tell you you're going to need more caffeine for this call.
20:23
I don't drink coffee so that's funny but the image I get is
20:29
that you soak it in
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water and the nutrients goes out into the water and then the
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water captures
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whatever it is that soaks out of the plant or the herb that you
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put in it 100%
20:39
correct so it's no different to boiling pasta in a bowl yeah
20:43
like when you heat
20:44
pasta on the stove to cook your noodles to cook your spaghetti
20:47
bolognese right the
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SPEAKER_03: water you tip down the sink
20:50
that's a water-based extraction and you can go from a
20:53
water-based extraction to a
20:55
bottle on a shelf in less than an hour but what most people
21:00
don't tell you is the
21:02
potency the potency and the bioavailability of that I've had
21:06
people tell me that
21:06
bioavailability doesn't matter I'm like so you'd rather just
21:10
have expensive urine
21:11
SPEAKER_03: like what like if your body can't process what you're putting in
21:17
what do you mean bioavailability doesn't matter I'm like why
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even have it in the
21:20
first place if your body can't process it so a water-based
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extraction is nothing
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any different to extracting so that's five to ten percent
21:29
bioavailability the next
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one is an alcohol-based extraction and I have a lot of people
21:35
go oh my god Ben
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SPEAKER_02: alcohol that's terrible you can't use alcohol-based extractions
21:41
Anyway I'm like yeah but but did you know that specifically
21:45
with mushrooms the
21:46
compounds the terpenes the some of the oils some of the
21:50
beta-glucans you can only
21:53
get the benefit of them through the alcohol-based extraction so
21:58
some of the
21:59
benefits you need actually need to come from an alcohol-based
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extraction and when
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SPEAKER_03: people go is that really I'm like yeah but I eat it fresh okay cool
22:08
SPEAKER_03: That's great, but it's not the most potent way to consume that.
22:13
SPEAKER_03: So the form of extraction we use is spagyric extraction.
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SPEAKER_03: So the bioavailability,
22:18
SPEAKER_03: if you do a water-based extraction,
22:19
SPEAKER_03: then with an alcohol extraction,
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SPEAKER_03: is somewhere between about 20% and 30%.
22:24
SPEAKER_03: which is some companies will do it.
22:26
SPEAKER_03: It costs a little bit more.
22:27
SPEAKER_03: It takes a little bit longer.
22:29
SPEAKER_03: So you've got to have a company who does want quality,
22:31
but then they can compromise it with the glycerins and the
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sugars and everything
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SPEAKER_03: they start to use,
22:36
SPEAKER_03: right?
22:36
SPEAKER_03: Because at the end of the day, it's a money game.
22:39
SPEAKER_03: And then the most potent form of extraction,
22:41
SPEAKER_03: which takes 8 to 12 weeks per product,
22:45
SPEAKER_03: and you can do it for every single one of your ingredients,
22:47
SPEAKER_03: is what they call spudgeric alchemy or spudgeric extraction,
22:51
SPEAKER_03: spudgeric,
22:52
SPEAKER_03: if you've got to put that into Google Translate.
22:56
And what that requires is it requires a water extraction and
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alcohol extraction.
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SPEAKER_03: And then we take the mushrooms and the herbs and everything we use,
23:03
that we run through the water and the alcohol and we turn it
23:06
into white ash.
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SPEAKER_03: We calcify it, like we burn it.
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SPEAKER_03: We light it on fire.
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SPEAKER_03: And why do you do that?
23:12
SPEAKER_03: Because then you're extracting all of the nutrients,
23:15
SPEAKER_03: all of the fats,
23:16
SPEAKER_03: all of the minerals,
23:17
SPEAKER_03: all of the oils.
23:18
SPEAKER_03: And that's why a spagyric extraction will be a little bit cloudier.
23:22
SPEAKER_03: And a lot of people actually say it's what's bringing the,
23:25
SPEAKER_03: they go,
23:26
SPEAKER_03: it feels like these tinctures are alive.
23:29
SPEAKER_03: Because if you go back on the metaphysical side,
23:32
SPEAKER_03: you're literally applying all of the spirit energy of that plan.
23:38
And this is why spagyric alchemy is one of the oldest forms of
23:41
alchemy for any holistic process.
23:44
SPEAKER_03: Because it's what the old alchemists used to make water into wine.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: Like this is how they used to extract living elements.
23:52
SPEAKER_03: And it's funny that ancient alchemy was about living energy,
23:57
SPEAKER_03: yet modern medicine is just about dead synthetics,
24:00
SPEAKER_03: which is like,
24:02
SPEAKER_03: where did we go wrong?
24:04
SPEAKER_02: Like what the hell happened?
24:05
Well,
24:06
I think a lot of us know,
24:07
but we're not going to have that conversation today.
24:11
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
24:12
So there's a quick explainer for people about the different
24:15
types of extraction.
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SPEAKER_03: So if you see something that's a water-only extraction,
24:19
just go pee in a cup and drink that because that's pretty much
24:22
how good it really
24:23
SPEAKER_03: is,
24:23
SPEAKER_03: right?
24:25
If you're looking for a minimum,
24:26
cheaper form of extraction,
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yes,
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water,
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alcohol.
24:29
SPEAKER_03: It's got to be that at a minimum.
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SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, you're kidding yourself, to be honest.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: Go save your money.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: Go buy a lotto ticket or go play bingo with grandma.
24:37
SPEAKER_03: Go do something else, right?
24:39
SPEAKER_03: If you're really looking for something high caliber,
24:43
SPEAKER_03: spagyric extraction is the ultimate way to go.
24:46
SPEAKER_03: And this is where you'll start to notice and feel things.
24:49
You don't have to wait for them to build up in your system over
24:51
three months
24:52
SPEAKER_03: because that's marketing hyperbole for this shit don't work.
24:55
So just buy it longer because you haven't allowed it to build
24:59
up in your system.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: This should be nothing to build up in my system.
25:04
SPEAKER_03: Like this is what's going on.
25:05
SPEAKER_03: Does that make sense?
25:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
25:07
SPEAKER_02: because also from my perspective,
25:09
SPEAKER_02: like if you have to let it build up,
25:10
SPEAKER_02: what else is building up?
25:12
SPEAKER_02: Like if you have to,
25:13
SPEAKER_02: if your body's not taking it and using it straight away,
25:16
SPEAKER_02: where is it being stored to be built up?
25:18
SPEAKER_02: Because for someone that has had to,
25:20
SPEAKER_02: you know,
25:21
learn how to detox my liver and detox my kidneys and pull all
25:24
the toxins and things
25:25
SPEAKER_02: that got stuck in there.
25:27
if they say that it needs to build up where is that being
25:30
stored in your body
25:31
that's a fascinating conversation and question and I love the
25:33
people who are going
25:34
I'm giving up gluten okay how long did you give it up for I
25:37
gave it up for the week
25:38
I'm like good you are aware that gluten stays in your system
25:43
for 21 days so if you
25:45
SPEAKER_03: haven't given up said gluten for at least a month
25:50
SPEAKER_03: You're wasting your time.
25:51
SPEAKER_03: And they look at me like, what?
25:53
SPEAKER_03: That's hard.
25:54
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, yeah, it ain't easy.
25:56
SPEAKER_03: But like... Alcohol is the same too.
25:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:00
SPEAKER_03: This is the debt.
26:01
And this is what,
26:02
like when you really start getting into this industry,
26:04
everything has a debt.
26:06
SPEAKER_03: You're either like an energy drink,
26:08
SPEAKER_03: you're bypassing your energy crash or your fatigue,
26:11
SPEAKER_03: you're like,
26:11
SPEAKER_03: you're debting that on.
26:13
SPEAKER_03: And it comes down to,
26:14
SPEAKER_03: well,
26:14
SPEAKER_03: how much,
26:15
like I get offered a hundred different ways to compromise my
26:18
products every single
26:19
SPEAKER_03: day.
26:20
SPEAKER_03: On the ingredients,
26:20
SPEAKER_03: on the quality,
26:21
on the sourcing To the point that we're now going to be growing
26:25
our own So we can
26:26
guarantee the quality of the product And I'm not putting any
26:29
countries down Because
26:30
SPEAKER_03: actually,
26:31
SPEAKER_03: like some countries What I find fascinating here in the U.S.
26:36
And I'll say that because I'm an immigrant That some of the
26:38
actual research and
26:40
technologies That the Asian countries have with growing some of
26:43
these herbs Is a
26:44
SPEAKER_03: thousand times better than what's here in the U.S.
26:47
because they grow them from a different methodology and they
26:50
grow them more holistically.
26:52
Where here it's like,
26:53
hey,
26:53
we only want to maximize and profitize the cap of the mushroom.
26:56
So we will like exploit it and then we'll add all these
26:59
chemicals to it to boost it.
27:02
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, but why?
27:05
SPEAKER_03: Like, well, this is what the big guy in the industry teaches here.
27:08
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, but why?
27:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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I laugh because when we go shopping,
27:15
we try and buy as much organic as we can.
27:17
SPEAKER_02: And we try and grow what we can.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, there's so many other things that you have to fight with.
27:22
SPEAKER_03: You know what's funny?
27:24
SPEAKER_03: You know what's funny is people go, oh, Ben, are your mushrooms organic?
27:27
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, um...
27:29
SPEAKER_03: They're chemical-free?
27:32
SPEAKER_03: Mushrooms grow on shit.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: How much more organic do you want mushroom-free?
27:37
And mushrooms can actually be planted and they actually take
27:41
the heavy metals out
27:42
SPEAKER_02: of the soil too.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: But that's a different thing.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: That's a different thing, right?
27:46
SPEAKER_03: We'll talk about micro-remediation after this.
27:48
But the thing is,
27:49
if you use any form of chemicals with your mushrooms,
27:52
you'll kill them.
27:54
SPEAKER_03: So people go, oh, I want the organic certification.
27:57
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, it doesn't exist.
28:00
It's impossible to get because we don't have the chemical
28:03
processes to then do the organic part.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: This is wildlife, right?
28:09
SPEAKER_02: Because we have chickens and they eat everything.
28:12
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like,
28:13
I can't guarantee that that worm hasn't been at my neighbor's
28:16
place and somehow
28:17
SPEAKER_02: worn down and she sprays with pesticides.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: So how can I say that they've eaten?
28:21
SPEAKER_03: Well, it's leaching.
28:22
SPEAKER_03: That's the problem of leaching.
28:25
SPEAKER_03: And I have a big deal.
28:26
SPEAKER_03: People go, well, Ben, do you forage mushrooms in the wild?
28:28
SPEAKER_03: I forage mushrooms.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: I'm like...
28:31
no I don't and I don't recommend it because you don't know what
28:35
chemicals have been
28:37
sprayed in any one area or have ran down a hill I'm talking so
28:42
we're actually had
28:43
an opportunity come our way and we're starting up a sister
28:45
brand and the sister
28:46
brand is actually all focused on micro remediation so waste
28:50
remediation plastic
28:51
remediation all using mushrooms and fungi and we're even going
28:55
to be creating
28:55
SPEAKER_03: textiles um
28:57
SPEAKER_03: and all this type of stuff.
28:58
SPEAKER_03: And it's coming out of our lab, which is the same thing.
29:00
SPEAKER_03: We're about to release mushroom bacon.
29:03
So mushroom that looks and tastes like bacon,
29:06
but it's 100% mushroom,
29:07
which is phenomenal.
29:08
SPEAKER_03: And I'm working with award-winning chefs to design these recipes.
29:13
SPEAKER_03: So it's really, really cool.
29:15
But as you said,
29:16
mushrooms can take out PFAs,
29:19
take out toxins,
29:20
take out heavy metals.
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SPEAKER_03: So the mushroom you're picking may be good.
29:25
SPEAKER_03: Right?
29:26
Maybe the good version Not the dark version That makes you see
29:29
the little green men Right?
29:31
Or blue men Or like the Just the Makes you dance in a field
29:34
naked We all know we
29:35
SPEAKER_03: want to go there Right?
29:37
And it's a lot of fun So the thing is Is going in the wild And
29:40
picking mushrooms
29:42
When you don't know What's happened on that land Because I Have
29:46
spoken with Cities
29:49
SPEAKER_03: Cities
29:50
SPEAKER_03: that their philosophy was we've got a waste issue.
29:54
So what we're doing is we're trucking our waste up that
29:57
mountain and we're letting
29:58
SPEAKER_03: it freeze up this mountain.
30:01
SPEAKER_03: And now their issues are is said waste is no longer freezing.
30:06
Said Waste Is Running Down Hills That It Never Ran Down Before
30:09
And Contaminating
30:10
Farms That Never Got Contaminated Before Because These
30:13
Decisions May Have Got Made
30:15
In The 50s 60s 70s 80s And Right So The Thing Is Yes Wild
30:21
Mushroom Foraging Can Be
30:23
SPEAKER_03: Phenomenal Right It Can Be A Lot Of Fun But
30:27
You have to be aware of the stupidity of others and they may
30:30
have done silly things
30:32
or there may be a chicken farm two miles down the road or a cow
30:35
farm or an animal
30:36
SPEAKER_03: farm or damn,
30:38
SPEAKER_03: there just may be a farm down the road.
30:41
SPEAKER_03: Like where is all of those fertilizers flowing?
30:46
SPEAKER_03: Where is that roundup going?
30:49
SPEAKER_03: A deer wouldn't go on the hill down here.
30:52
Well we're having that issue in Australia at the moment in
30:55
South Australia where
30:57
the government organised for these chemicals to run off into
31:00
the ocean and now all
31:01
the animals are showing up dead on the shore and they're trying
31:04
to deny it even
31:04
SPEAKER_02: though their signatures are on everything so it's really
31:07
SPEAKER_02: interesting seeing that or even in Tasmania they decided to put all these
31:12
antibiotics through the salmon farms and it leached out into
31:15
the water and
31:15
everyone's like no we're not touching Tasmanian salmon like
31:18
even people who don't
31:19
care about this knew about it and they're like no we're not
31:22
buying Tasmanian salmon
31:23
SPEAKER_02: so they actually ruined the whole market yeah
31:26
SPEAKER_03: In Florida, they have a red algae problem.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: The red algae came from sewage spills.
31:31
So it keeps cycling around because it's just this big sewage
31:34
swamp that literally
31:35
is floating in the sea that kind of keeps washing on shore
31:38
every few years.
31:39
SPEAKER_03: And as a result, it contaminated.
31:41
SPEAKER_03: And if you don't know
31:56
Prozac Prozac Prozac Prozac Prozac Prozac Prozac Prozac Prozac
31:58
Prozac Prozac
32:19
So now everyone's eating this stuff and it's just becoming this
32:22
circle and it's a
32:22
SPEAKER_03: huge issue because in waste treatment up until today,
32:28
they didn't treat for drug stuff in waste treatment because it
32:34
wasn't really a
32:35
SPEAKER_03: problem.
32:36
And then some cities recycle it and put it through your
32:39
drinking water so then
32:40
SPEAKER_02: you're drinking it.
32:41
So then all of a sudden you have hormone problems when you
32:44
never had hormone
32:44
SPEAKER_02: problems and all you've done is drink water.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: But that's a whole other podcast, right?
32:48
SPEAKER_02: Like it's all over stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: When you start looking at this holistic stuff,
32:53
SPEAKER_03: it gets quite fascinating on like,
32:55
SPEAKER_03: hey,
32:55
there's a whole bunch of stuff and I'm not telling you to run
32:57
out and get this
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SPEAKER_03: water filter or that.
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Like it's just you have to become aware of what is going on in
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the environment and
33:03
SPEAKER_03: there's been decisions made by people
33:05
that aren't in your best interest no matter what they say or
33:09
what they claim or who
33:10
really they are and it's about taking responsibility for
33:13
yourself to go hey like
33:14
let me understand what this is let me just understand how to
33:18
make a better choice
33:19
SPEAKER_03: and buying organic isn't necessarily the best option and uh
33:24
especially when the supermarket chain you're in only has one
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brand of organic and
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it comes from the supermarket chain that you're in so then I'm
33:33
like hmm this is
33:35
confusing but that's again like again but it's just food for
33:38
thought right it's
33:39
like okay organic out of India and organic out of Brazil isn't
33:44
the same as organic
33:45
out of the Sancho Coast like it's totally different from the
33:48
farm right like it's
33:49
SPEAKER_02: just
33:50
SPEAKER_02: You just have to,
33:51
SPEAKER_02: and getting to know where your product comes from,
33:53
SPEAKER_02: I think,
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is the other point we've been highlighting here because knowing
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how it's grown,
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knowing the people who are growing it and knowing that that's
34:01
the best interest.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: This is where,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
34:03
you start to be more curious and you start to ask quality
34:06
questions and not use
34:07
SPEAKER_02: your TikTok research,
34:08
SPEAKER_02: going the full circle where we started,
34:10
SPEAKER_02: right?
34:10
SPEAKER_02: And coming back to,
34:12
SPEAKER_02: okay,
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SPEAKER_02: what's the quality and what's this person who values,
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SPEAKER_02: you know,
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SPEAKER_02: giving me...
34:16
SPEAKER_02: Well,
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SPEAKER_03: who funded the research?
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is a phenomenal question because there's a whole bunch of
34:21
people in the mushroom
34:23
SPEAKER_03: world right now going,
34:25
SPEAKER_03: mycelium is just as good as fruiting body.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: And I may have just said several words that people were like, what?
34:31
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so let me explain it to you in a very, very simple way.
34:35
SPEAKER_03: I explained it in this way and most people are like, oh, I get it now.
34:38
SPEAKER_03: So look,
34:39
SPEAKER_03: I have got a phenomenal banana smoothie,
34:42
SPEAKER_03: but I've got two options on the banana smoothie,
34:44
SPEAKER_03: okay?
34:44
SPEAKER_03: And I'm going to allow you to choose which banana smoothie you want.
34:48
So I've got a banana smoothie made out of fresh bananas where
34:53
we peel them back
34:54
SPEAKER_03: like the skins of virgins.
34:56
SPEAKER_03: It's all really, really good, right?
34:58
SPEAKER_03: Like so we put the fruit of the banana into all of our things, right?
35:03
So you can have that banana smoothie or I got one that's
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significantly cheaper.
35:08
SPEAKER_03: So it's like half the price, right?
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But what we do is we take the tree of the banana and the dirt
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and we pull the
35:16
SPEAKER_03: banana tree out of the dirt.
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SPEAKER_03: We crush it into a fine powder and we put it in your smoothie, right?
35:23
SPEAKER_03: This is like 25 cents on the dollar.
35:26
It still produces banana fruit,
35:29
but it never had any fruit on the tree when we pulverized it.
35:33
It should still taste like banana when we add this artificial
35:35
flavoring to it.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: So are you okay with the cheaper banana smoothie?
35:40
SPEAKER_03: And most people are like, I'd never drink that shit.
35:42
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, yet you are.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Concentrate's my favorite word.
35:49
SPEAKER_02: To a boyd.
35:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so that's the difference between mycelium and fruiting body.
35:55
Mycelium is the roots and the dirt of stuff where fruiting body
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of a mushroom is
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SPEAKER_03: the banana of the mushroom.
36:04
SPEAKER_03: If you understand a button mushroom,
36:06
SPEAKER_03: that white mushroom we all see in the grocery store,
36:08
SPEAKER_03: the thing that actually pops out
36:10
SPEAKER_03: Yes, that's that.
36:11
SPEAKER_03: And that's the fruiting body, right?
36:12
SPEAKER_03: And that's what you want in all of your medications,
36:15
SPEAKER_03: all of your tinctures,
36:16
SPEAKER_03: all of the skin creams you get from a mushroom,
36:18
SPEAKER_03: all should be fruiting body,
36:20
SPEAKER_03: not the mycelium basis.
36:22
SPEAKER_03: Because the mycelium is the cheapest sawdust, the dirt of all mushrooms.
36:29
so that's just a disclaimer to anyone make sure if you're
36:32
getting some mushrooms
36:33
yes you can get them on Amazon yes you can get them at the
36:35
grocery store chains but
36:37
when you get mushrooms for $19 I can pretty much promise you
36:40
that you're getting
36:42
the cheapest form of that product it's interesting from an
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energetic point of view
36:47
because the fruiting body would obviously be where the life
36:50
energy of the mushroom
36:51
is whereas the myosilium is more the networks and everything
36:54
that's connected
36:55
SPEAKER_02: underneath and that's
36:57
SPEAKER_02: It's like you're processing too much and nothing at once.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: It's really weird.
37:01
SPEAKER_03: It's quite fascinating.
37:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
37:02
SPEAKER_03: And the quality of it, you absolutely can notice.
37:06
SPEAKER_03: And yeah,
37:06
SPEAKER_03: so we've learned a lot about dosage and potency and different extraction
37:10
SPEAKER_03: methodologies and what to look for.
37:12
And what I was talking about the coffee is most of these
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mushroom coffees out
37:16
SPEAKER_03: there,
37:17
SPEAKER_03: what I love is they go,
37:18
SPEAKER_03: we have a proprietary blend of mushrooms.
37:21
SPEAKER_03: And the secret here in the US is I didn't even know this.
37:24
SPEAKER_03: The secret here in the US is
37:26
SPEAKER_03: 2% of the ingredient you're claiming is in there when you say proprietary
37:32
ingredient proprietary blend only has to be your raw ingredient
37:36
so if I say it's
37:37
lion's mane but a proprietary blend 2% has to be lion's mane
37:42
98% could be diesel
37:44
SPEAKER_03: gasoline
37:47
So when you talk about a lot of syrups or flavorings or
37:50
whatever they are literally
37:52
no different to diesel fuel products gasoline based products
37:57
because a lot of them
37:58
are gasoline derivatives when I talk to my lab technicians it
38:02
gets really freaking
38:03
scary because I'm like I was eating what for the longest time
38:08
and wondering why I
38:09
SPEAKER_03: had stomach issues like what
38:12
It's like in Australia we have vapor rub and it literally says
38:16
on it petroleum
38:17
jelly or Vaseline petroleum jelly and people are like what do
38:21
you mean it's made
38:22
from petrol I said it literally says petroleum jelly on it like
38:27
it's made from
38:27
petrol no it can't be I'm like it says I'm like it's there but
38:32
people can't believe
38:33
it they can't can't accept that and it's like even when you
38:36
start to go into
38:36
vegetable oils and and all that and why they made it and what
38:40
it does to your body
38:41
SPEAKER_02: anyway but you
38:42
SPEAKER_02: Yes, so mushroom coffee.
38:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like life is too short for shitty coffee, right?
38:47
SPEAKER_03: So the thing is,
38:48
is having a coffee you enjoy and being able to turn that into a
38:52
superfood is way
38:53
SPEAKER_03: better.
38:53
SPEAKER_03: So add a tincture, take a shot of a mushroom tincture.
38:57
SPEAKER_03: One of the best ways to absorb it, absorbing mushrooms through the
39:00
a gummy it's a different absorption methodology and the body
39:04
processes the gummy
39:05
totally different to a raw tincture under your tongue it may
39:08
taste a little worse
39:10
because it doesn't have the sweetness and it's not meant to
39:12
it's not meant to taste
39:13
like candy right so you want to just factor this into the
39:17
choices on how you're
39:19
SPEAKER_03: consuming these products because yeah you can get it in gummy form
39:22
But there's a whole bunch of other sugars and sweeteners and
39:25
flavors and like it
39:27
SPEAKER_03: doesn't exist in a candy form in the tree like it just doesn't exist no
39:34
it doesn't it doesn't and I and I yeah and if anyone studied
39:38
like herb herbalism
39:39
and things they talk about this that your body ingests and
39:41
takes in herbs different
39:42
ways you can smell it you can put it on your skin you can put
39:45
it under you know and
39:46
then you get it through the digestive tract but there is lots
39:49
of different ways you
39:50
can take it in but as we start to finish our time together Ben
39:53
I asked the guests
39:54
that come on the show if you could heal or change something in
39:56
the world what would
39:57
SPEAKER_03: it be I would heal
39:59
SPEAKER_03: People's ability to process foods in a cleaner way.
40:03
SPEAKER_03: So like less ingestinal tummy issues.
40:07
And this was someone who I was I didn't realize I was pretty
40:10
much dairy intolerant all my life.
40:12
SPEAKER_03: I can remember many a time being sick.
40:14
Like I thought eating a meal meant you go to the bathroom
40:18
within five minutes and
40:19
then you continue eating and then you go back to the bathroom
40:22
and then you just
40:23
SPEAKER_03: continue eating.
40:24
SPEAKER_03: And I say,
40:25
SPEAKER_03: when I first got married,
40:26
got the taste from my mouth because it was my ex-wife that
40:30
determined that I was
40:32
SPEAKER_03: lactose intolerant.
40:33
SPEAKER_03: I did not know.
40:35
So I found it really hard giving up the butters and the ice
40:37
cream and the dairy and
40:38
SPEAKER_03: all this type of stuff.
40:40
SPEAKER_03: But the benefit of that is significantly huge.
40:42
SPEAKER_03: And when you talk to people,
40:43
SPEAKER_03: they're just not aware of how upset or how messed up their stomach is.
40:49
SPEAKER_03: And if you can't process
40:51
SPEAKER_03: the nutrients and you can't eat right.
40:53
SPEAKER_03: And if you're not eating quality, it really doesn't matter.
40:55
SPEAKER_03: And I'm not saying you've got to go spend $100 on every single meal.
40:58
SPEAKER_03: That's not what I'm talking about.
40:59
SPEAKER_03: I'm like,
41:00
just your ability to actually be able to process something so
41:05
your body isn't
41:07
SPEAKER_03: dealing with inflammation and turmoil.
41:08
SPEAKER_03: I think...
41:09
SPEAKER_03: Healing that would heal people of so many things downstream.
41:15
SPEAKER_03: So many things we're fighting are inflammation-based.
41:19
SPEAKER_03: And, like, you don't even realize that.
41:21
So we treat so much stuff with that Band-Aid rather than going,
41:25
hold on,
41:25
this is cancerous.
41:26
SPEAKER_03: Like, let's just cut the shit out and then we can heal.
41:30
SPEAKER_03: So, yeah.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:32
SPEAKER_03: How about that?
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I love that too.
41:35
My naturopath explained that to me when I started working with
41:37
him and he's like,
41:38
if we don't fix your gut and your gut's ability to take in
41:41
nutrients properly,
41:42
SPEAKER_02: you might as well just be eating fast food all the time,
41:45
SPEAKER_02: which is the names of brands,
41:46
but you might as well just be eating fast food all the time
41:48
because your body's
41:49
SPEAKER_02: actually not taking any of the goodness out of what you're eating anyway.
41:53
Yeah,
41:53
and I had someone the other day literally go,
41:55
Ben,
41:55
I feel like my gut is on fire.
41:57
SPEAKER_03: My throat just is just like...
41:59
SPEAKER_03: I'm fine.
42:00
SPEAKER_03: I've had all this stuff.
42:01
SPEAKER_03: I've had all of it.
42:02
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, he's like, well, do you have anything that would help?
42:05
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I may have my lion's mane.
42:07
SPEAKER_03: I've had a few people tell me that their reflux has just gone away.
42:10
SPEAKER_03: I said, I can't guarantee it.
42:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm just like, I know that this is what they tell me.
42:14
SPEAKER_03: And I said, look, just try it.
42:16
SPEAKER_03: See literally how you feel in five minutes.
42:18
SPEAKER_03: He took it and then he was like, okay, I'll see how it feels.
42:22
And he literally stood,
42:23
he made 10 paces and he turns around and goes,
42:26
holy shit.
42:27
I feel that soothing me like nothing else has he goes I'll take
42:31
two bottles because
42:32
it's just like he goes it's instantaneous and when the good
42:34
stuff works the good
42:36
stuff works and like but that will make that made a massive
42:39
difference for how he
42:41
SPEAKER_03: was going to process
42:43
like the next 30 days and allowing his gut to heal and as we
42:47
spoke earlier like you
42:49
can't heal your gut in in 24 hours like rebuilding your enzymes
42:55
and that bacteria
42:56
and the flora and fauna and all that type of stuff and dealing
42:58
with the whole
42:59
parasites and all this type of stuff it's a process and I just
43:03
don't think people
43:04
are really committed to that process nor do they understand it
43:08
yeah or it's like
43:09
SPEAKER_02: they just want the biohack or the quick fix right so
43:12
yeah the biohacks is if I take these pills and I wash it down
43:16
with this energy
43:16
SPEAKER_03: drink we're golden
43:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
43:20
And if people want to come and buy your mushroom remedies or
43:24
like bare remedies,
43:25
where's the best place that they can come and connect with you
43:27
or find you?
43:29
SPEAKER_03: Baremedy.net is where we're at, B-A-R-E, remedy.
43:33
SPEAKER_03: If you don't know how to spell remedy,
43:34
SPEAKER_03: I guess just Google it or find a cat video that works for you.
43:37
SPEAKER_03: So baremedy.net and you can check it out.
43:41
SPEAKER_03: If you've got any questions,
43:43
SPEAKER_03: you can call,
43:44
SPEAKER_03: message,
43:44
SPEAKER_03: email,
43:45
send a ferret pigeon to our people and our people will respond
43:48
by a ferret pigeon.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: I'd like to get on the ferret pigeon train.
43:53
SPEAKER_03: Hey, you got to put those pigeons to work.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: They can't just be shitting on stuff for no reason.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: Like put them back into the mail carrier service.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: And I'll make sure to put all these details in the show notes.
44:05
So if you are driving and listening,
44:07
you can come back to this episode later.
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44:15
I reckon this would be amazing for someone to hear.
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44:27
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44:30
easily it can be
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such a beautiful blessing on your life and like we've talked
44:35
about it can really
44:36
help restore your health on so many levels so thank you Ben for
44:39
sharing and
44:40
allowing us some insight into how to be more aware of selecting
44:44
health products
44:45
SPEAKER_02: especially when it comes to mushrooms
44:47
SPEAKER_01: Hey Beautiful Souls,
44:48
it is Catherine Crestani here and I wanted to have a chat with
44:51
you about a really
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44:58
but also just
44:59
because it tastes freaking good so if you're curious and want
45:02
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45:02
drinking something other than coffee or your standard tea why
45:07
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Creation Cacao I love this with a bit of honey and cinnamon
45:12
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45:14
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45:19
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45:42
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45:43
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