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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Two Shot
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Tuesday. We are extremely lucky and
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honored to have once again the movie guy, Rob Peetz in studio
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to discuss Tron Aries, a movie Rob, you and I saw at the time
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of this recording not long ago, and we both have ideas and
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opinions on this thing. Jay, this is 1 you didn't see,
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but I expect that you'll be chiming in with some other
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knowledge, maybe from the comic world.
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We don't know. I don't want to spoil anything.
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Let's have our first shot and then let's get into Tron Aries
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in theaters as we speak. Mike, how would you like me to
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kick this off? I'm doing a non alcoholic show
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tonight. So in spirit of Tron though,
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I've got some kool-aid squeezy in one of these containers here.
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So kool-aid squeezy for me. Over to you, Barry.
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OK, well I'm definitely enjoying a little bit of alcohol tonight.
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It is the 12 year Bushmills. It's a favorite.
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And Robert, what have you got? What concoction?
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I think I'm having the same thing I had last time, which is
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the ginger ale flavored water. Nice Which?
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Is OK, quite tasty. So I got.
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To try it. All right, yeah, it's good I'm
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the only one boozing. Cheers.
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Tension. OK, before we get started, can I
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just say this because I think it's well worth mentioning.
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You know, you were on two weeks ago, Rob hour to talk about 1
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battle after another, our most viewed episode in history.
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I'm just going to say already. So people are excited to hear
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you and Barry talk about movies on the YouTube channel and and
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in our regular podcasting platform.
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So we rushed you back here is basically what's happening.
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So before your rates started going up?
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Right. Yeah.
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I don't have a lot of experience with Tron.
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I saw the original Tron, I have no memory of it.
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I saw the second Tron, I have very little memory of it.
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It's not. It's this movie that doesn't
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stick with me, so I'm, well, I don't.
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Let let me just pop right in straight away and say I think
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that's the case for most people. Tron Tron in general, is, is a,
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an interesting concept. And I'm talking about the
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original movie, The the follow up movie from 2010 or whatever
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it was. It's an interesting concept, but
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it's never quite been executed all that well.
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The the story itself has always been a little wishy washy,
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convoluted, not that great. So let's just say that this
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movie continues that that sort of exercise in somewhat dull
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storytelling. But all the movies have in
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common. The the one thing they have in
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common is that they all look great.
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They all have a pretty interesting soundtrack and
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that's where this movie kind of is equal to the other movies,
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so. And they all are Jeff Bridges in
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one form or another. Yeah, yeah, now.
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Ham fist, ham fisted in this case, but yeah.
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Yeah, our the the first red flag might be our lead is what's his
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name? Jared Leto.
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Jared Leto I got to think and this occurred to me and you can
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tell me what you thought, but when you get down on the list to
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go, the lead of our movie is going to be.
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Jared Leto, that's. Usually the first sign of
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trouble. Not that he's a terrible actor,
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but just that his movies tend to go nowhere.
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I'm thinking of Morbius. I'm thinking of just about every
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Jared. He wasn't the the well received
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Joker in the Suicide Squad. Like he sort of peeked at Fight
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Club. Well, on on the way to the
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theater, I mentioned that that was, you know, the the thing I
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was looking least forward to was seeing Jared Leto in any movie
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at all. Not a fan.
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I don't really care either way. I think he's had a couple of
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good movies where he's just his, his blank expression has suited
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the part. So it worked.
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But I don't, I don't know that Barry really understood that and
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I sort of tried to explain it to him, but it doesn't really
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matter. The fact of the the fact of the
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matter is with this particular movie is that this is a passion
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project. It turns out I had no idea going
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into this. I had to read about it
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afterwards. This is a Jared Leto.
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I noticed that he had a credit as producer on the movie when
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the movie started. So I went and looked into this.
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This is a Jared Leto passion project there.
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There was a whole other movie that was supposed to be made
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instead about about 10 years ago that never took off.
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I think Tomorrow World or Tomorrowland or whatever.
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That movie with George Clooney, George Clooney, that that kind
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of failed and it scared Disney. So they pulled back on the next
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legacy, Tron legacy sort of continuation with Olivia Wilde
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and whoever, Sam Wise or Sam Sam Wise, Genji.
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Yes. Oh yeah, sounds right.
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It's best when there's a Hobbit in it.
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The guy's name was Sam. I don't I don't know whatever
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that guy. And I guess somewhere down the
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line, Jared Leto tried to get this thing made and he ended up,
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you know, I think that he was directly involved in getting 9
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Inch Nails to score the thing because he's a bit of a
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musician, quote UN quote himself.
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And that 30 seconds from. Mars is that that's Jared Leto's
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band, right? Yeah, yeah.
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Sure, let's not promote it. OK, Liam.
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Wow, say OK, well I'm going to jump in here because both of you
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guys are are clearly drinking the haterade when it comes to
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Jared Leto and that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion.
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I am a defender of Mr. Leto. I don't have a problem with him.
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I think he's fine. Requiem for a Dream, amazing.
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Blade Runner 2049, he was great in that too.
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You guys mentioned the ones that were.
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He was awful. I never saw Morbius thankfully,
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but I've heard that that's terrible.
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I mean, how do you phrase when you say I don't don't have a
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problem with him, he's. Fine, he's fine.
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And also like he's a handsome guy versus, you know, and
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that's, you know, you, you want someone who's half decent
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looking, you know, in a movie, presumably.
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But Rob, you had a different take on it.
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You felt his eyes were too close together.
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What? Do you?
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I feel like what do you. Go into that a little bit
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further. Unpack that a bit.
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I just think he's got bizarre eyes and I think that he's a
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strange looking cat. I know that he's probably
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considered somewhat attractive in in modeling circles, but.
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I think a lot of, I think a. Lot of models look weird
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sometimes, you know, and I think he's one of them.
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I've always said that he reminds me of of the what if Macaulay
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Culkin grew up as that as that kid and and still look the same.
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That's how Jared Leto looks. He looks like a grown up kid
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version, like, whereas whereas Macaulay Culkin doesn't look the
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same anymore. He looks kind of bizarre.
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He's, you know, he's, he's older.
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Jared Leno has retained that that visual.
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OK, OK, This is this is the positivity podcast is something
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not a. Fan, I don't care either way to
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be honest with you. I just don't go see his movies
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generally. So I'm being kind of ham again,
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ham fisted into watching him in this movie.
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Now, let's let's just say straight up, he wasn't terrible
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in this movie because the movie is about he's playing on a a
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program and a program is generally a fairly wooden thing.
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So he matched fairly well. I would say that that overall he
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was OK as as this particular character.
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Nice. Well you know what?
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This is what happens. I have to say that Tron, as I
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was saying, I don't know it very well.
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I don't have any experience with it.
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How well do you need to have known the 1st 2 movies to make?
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Sense of this one. I don't think you really do.
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I mean, honestly, the the there's a there's a big
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exposition dump at the very beginning of this movie that
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sort of very quickly explains a bunch of the things that have
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happened in the last two movies. But I will say that it kind of
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ignores the second movie, although it does does kind of
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touch on it, but it overall kind of ignore ignores the second
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movie, which is weird because the second movie actually was a
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continuation of the first story. This is kind of like a semi
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reboot continuation. It's it's odd.
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I don't really understand it why they didn't just continue the
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second movie. There was a good plot line set
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up. So basically they remade the
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second movie. Now, now, Barry, who's been with
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us the whole time except that we're a video podcast and people
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may have noticed you sidle away, Barry.
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So let's pause before we go into our second shot and why don't
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you let all of our audience know exactly what's been happening?
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Were you going to sign up for the Jared Leto Fan Club while we
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were gone? I think that's got to be.
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I did that, but I also at the same time it took out some
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delicious jerk chicken from the oven that is dinner.
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Tonight. You can't let that stuff sitting
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around or, you know, be in the oven too long.
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It's going to dry out, Jay. Yeah, it's a podcast that you
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can enjoy on your break, but not the podcast you can make your
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chicken too, because. That is a good point.
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All right, sailing. Points.
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Let's move to shot #2 then we're going to move away from some of
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the Jared Leto hating, and we're going to move into some of the
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other aspects of the Tron franchise as a whole.
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So Barry, why don't you kick us off and shot him?
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OK, And there's no hating on Mr. Leto for myself, Just he's fine.
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I want to make as you say. I want to make.
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That clear? I'm just a different he's.
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I don't care either way. Anyway, yeah, there is some
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things I want to talk about in this movie.
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But first, a shot of 12 year Bushmills.
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Man oh man, it's delicious. Roberts, what about yourself?
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Same old, same old fake ginger ale.
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And Jay, you're keeping it clean.
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Over there fruit punch. OK, cheers.
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Cheers. Chin, chin.
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Now, Rob, you mentioned the soundtrack, and this is very
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much worth pointing out. Nine Inch Nails did an original
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soundtrack for Tron Aries. It was so good.
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The soundtrack, it's almost like a character in the movie, like
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truly it helps to drive the action forward, even when
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there's long like longish sequences of just kind of racing
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through the grid. This music is building.
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It's it's helping moving the story along.
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I thought it was fantastic. That was definitely a highlight
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for me. I don't know how you felt, Rob.
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Yeah, same. Because it it kept the movie
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consistently upbeat and had some really cool sort of interesting
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sound effects. So it's 9 Inch Nails with
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Atticus Ross, I believe. So they've done a bunch of
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soundtracks together over the years and David Fincher's stuff
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and things like that. So it was.
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Yeah, it was an interesting mix of, you know, electronica.
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It's mostly always all electronica, but it does call
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back to the old days as well. The the original soundtrack was
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done by Wendy Carlos who was responsible for the a couple of
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Kubrick soundtracks which were the Clockwork Orange soundtrack
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and the Shining soundtrack. But she was a pioneer in
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electronics back in the late 60s into the 70s and 80s.
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Now is this like? Is this like, you know, Queen
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doing Flash Gordon? Is it like that pervasive?
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Not at all like that. There's not, it's not, it's not
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song after song, OK? It's an actual sound after.
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Song, but it is a is a full instrumental soundtrack.
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The last movie Legacy was done by by Daft Punk and and they
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that was a great soundtrack. So the whole movie kind of took
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on that vibe as well. Yeah, and I guess that's one
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thing we could say about the trilogy, is that the sound.
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So I mean, for Better, for worse is, you know, a very key
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component. It helps to move the story along
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when the story, as you pointed out earlier, Rob, is not the
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most exciting and it's not the most groundbreaking.
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We've seen this kind of before. But having that, you know,
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robust soundtrack certainly does help.
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Let's just say, let's just say the story is like a combination
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of Jurassic Park 2, the one where all the dinosaurs go into
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the into the city meets like a Kaiju movie meets Terminator 2
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or Terminator 3. You combine those two movies,
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you got this movie, you know, So it's, it's, it's pretty basic,
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pretty basic stuff. But it looks at fantastic in
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IMAX too. We should say to our audience,
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if anyone is considering going to see it in the theater, see it
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in IMAX because it is the. Sequences were great, amazing.
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It was a beautifully, beautifully put together film.
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At times there were some really cool action set pieces.
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There was a great I think my favorite part was kind of the
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middle section of the movie. The first section kind of was a
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little, I wouldn't say slow, but it was a little there.
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There's really not much character development in this
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movie either. So you're kind of just, it's the
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way modern movies are made. They throw you in, they they
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show you who these people are. They give them, I don't know,
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like a like a minute long scene where they kind of establish
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their their their reasoning for being who they are and what they
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want to be. And then they kind of move
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forward and you just that just happens, right?
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So in this case, Jared Leto is is this kind of antagonist
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initially that sort of very quickly turns into a protagonist
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and kind of heart of Gold becomes, yeah, right away.
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I could tell right away that this was, he was not going to
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remain gold. Yeah, kind of a bad guy.
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Yeah, how could he? He is the Terminator in this
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movie for the most part, right? The good Terminator.
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The good Terminator, and he has a bit of a sense of humor in
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this movie as well. So for somebody like me who has
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now forgotten the first Tron, take us through Tron.
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Is there kind of an overarching thing you can say about Tron?
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Like, well, there is what? Does I?
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Yeah, I saw. I rewatched the original Tron
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just a couple of days ago. I didn't get very far.
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I was sharing this with Rob via text earlier.
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I got about 25 minutes in and fell asleep.
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Now, that's not really a knock on the movie.
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It's also, it was Thanksgiving and I had pigged out, so you
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know. That doesn't help, but it
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doesn't help. What I learned is from watching
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the first movie is the the company Ncon, which is like
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this, you know, might as well be Google.
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Like they're the ones who are responsible for creating the
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video game where this grid exists.
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Jeff Bridges character is. Jeff Bridges character was.
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The original leader of of he. Was but he wasn't the CEO.
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There was a there was a guy above him who's like the owner
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of the company. So when Tron legacy was like.
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VP of HR, Was that what he was? What was?
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I don't know. He was the guy that created.
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He was the guy that created the the the program the original
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game, correct? He worked on a.
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Developer. Yeah, but the the guy at the
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head of the table of of Encom, as we learn now in in Tron
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Aries, it's his grandson who's now it's the same family.
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That's about the only through line that I could pick up from
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the original you guys. It's the same family.
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Yeah, it's not right, but it's OK.
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It doesn't matter. But it is right.
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It's there. There's a different grandfather.
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Different. Yeah, but it's a different
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company. There was.
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The same company? Encon.
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Encon. No, I know, I know ENCOM is the
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company that Jeff Bridges founded with the video game, but
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there was a there was AI, can't remember the name of the company
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DuPont or I don't remember the name.
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I think it's DuPont. It's not DuPont it.
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Was Anheuser Busch. No, it's not that.
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Basically, Dillinger Dillinger Industries industries were the.
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The competitors when the 1st. Competition to the competition
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and they've always been trying to get one up.
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That's true. Is sort of the antagonist in
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this movie is the Dillinger family not not the income family
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I. Invite you to rewatch the 1st 20
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minutes of Tron. It'll it'll.
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Before you fall asleep. I just saw it like, you know, 48
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hours ago, so fresh on his mind. It's, it's the same family that
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that grandfather of Encon passed the torch to the grandson.
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And he's the guy. He's that little, that nerd guy.
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He's not. Yeah.
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He's, he's like the tattooed, sort of skinnier guy who wants
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to be like a, you know, the younger CEO he took over from
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from his mother to Gillian Anderson, so.
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No, there's. A picture.
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There's a picture of the guy, the grandfather.
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It's the same actor. Very.
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You guys were in the same movie, right?
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You guys are in the same movie. Just confusion.
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Her but I. It's Dillinger.
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It's it's Dillinger. It's.
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Forgettable is what I'm hearing. It's the other.
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It's the other company. Some family feud pulling people
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together. Only through line through.
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Tron I don't know but. In Tron Legacy, Killian Murphy
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plays the relative of the Dillinger Company, so he becomes
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the leader of Dillinger in the second movie and the third
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movie. I forgot he was in that.
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He's gone or whatever and watch 20 Minutes, this other guy, this
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younger guy, all right with Gillian Anderson.
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It's that time of the show where we talk about star ratings and,
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and anything else you might want our audience to know about Tron
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if you're trying to sell it to them or you don't have to.
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Barry, we're going to start with you because you did watch 20
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minutes of the original and then went into Tron or you watched
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the original after Tron. I I don't know what order you
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watched them in, but. Well, because I hadn't really
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seen the original in its entirety.
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When I mentioned this on my walk home with Rob, he's like, you
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haven't seen the first Tron. I go, no, not, you know, in a
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complete piece. And that still hasn't happened
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because like I said, OK, I only got 20 minutes in.
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How's Aries? I'll get there.
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I enjoyed Aries as a visual feast.
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I thought the music was great. It was a fun time at the movies.
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It didn't overstay its welcome. But like Rob alluded to, it's
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not going to grab you too much in in terms of story.
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And they did. I was happy to see Jeff Bridges,
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but like also Rob mentioned, they kind of shoehorn him in
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there. It doesn't make sense that he
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would be aging. If it's like his image on the
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grid, why wouldn't they just have him look like he did in the
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80s? But they don't do that.
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So the I don't know. It was nice to see you back.
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He felt like he he was doing some of the hey man and all this
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sort of like dude isms. Yeah, that was cool.
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Definitely injected dude isms into it.
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Yeah, he did. And also they they kind of did
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explain his aging in the second movie.
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So they did OK. But they didn't really explain
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why he was where he was in the third movie.
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Yeah, I did like the fact there's one spoiler.
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I think we can share one spoiler, Rob.
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Jared Leto's character does go to the original grid, so you get
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to see that in, which I thought was kind of cool.
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Nice. It was interesting.
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OK, what's your rating? Let's get a rating.
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I'm going to go ahead and give it a a solid 3 out of five, A
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3.5 for the soundtrack, though, because 9 inch nails.
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They really, you know, delivered with this one.
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So I'm going to say 3.5 because it gets an extra bump for the
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for the music. Music was fantastic.
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We'll give it to you. OK, Rob, how about you?
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You know, oddly, I'm going to agree there's about a three 3.5
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somewhere in there. It's not a it's not an offensive
17:47
movie by any means. It was fun to watch, some great
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action sequences. The music was great overall, and
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Jared Leto didn't really let me down or anything.
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He was fine. Once you got past the eyes being
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too close together, you're able to.
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Yeah, fine, fine, fine radiates through from both of you
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gentlemen for Jared go. So let's let's leave it at that.
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The whole thing was passable. Yeah, Jared gets the win.
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Jared gets the win on that one. Great.
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So 3.5, guys, this is our penultimate episode of our fifth
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season, our second to last episode, Barry.
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And I'll be back next week with a review of the Global Whiskey
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global show that we're attending.
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And I know we're going to have you back shortly into Season 6
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for whatever movie antics you 2 have got cooked up.
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We can't wait to hear that. Maybe for the bride there.
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There's a movie called Bride coming up that looks pretty cool
18:37
with the bride. It's about the Bride of
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Frankenstein, but it's an update.
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And there's Frankenstein. Are they?
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Coming around sometime, Frankenstein's on Netflix I
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believe. That's maybe next month.
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OK, All right. I thought it was.
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A and Christian Bale. Christian Bale's in Bride.
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Yeah, he he's he plays Frankenstein.
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In bride but not. In Monster, yeah.
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It's kind of like a it looks like a Bonnie and Clyde version
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of Frankenstein with the bride Nice and Frankenstein.
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We'll see how close together his eyes are.
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Rob, thank you for joining us on this episode, Barry, always good
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to see you. And to our listeners and
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viewers, we will see you next week on another exciting episode
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of Two Shot Tuesday at the Movies.
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