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Ben Greenfield Exposes the 49ers Substation Conspiracy + The TRUTH About Peptides | Bussin' · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: We're good. Bussing with the boys Hanging with.
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  Speaker 2: The fellas Betting on a game.
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  Speaker 3: No woman's gonna tell us What to do And I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Be over here Just drinking beer and making that noise. Baby,
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  Speaker 1: I'm hanging with the.
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  Speaker 4: Fellas. Bussing with the boys. Bro.
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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Bussing with
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  Speaker 1: the Boys. Episode 401. That is a big deal. We're
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  Speaker 1: slash bustin and make the most of it. This is
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  Speaker 1: your most rewarding season ever. Sorry. I had to switch
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  Speaker 1: from that TV to this TV and my brain was like,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do this. And I'm like having an inner
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  Speaker 1: dialogue with myself how I can. But anyway, got it done. Buddy,
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  Speaker 1: we got, we had Ben Greenfield on the podcast. It just,
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  Speaker 1: there was a moment where he's sitting there and he's
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  Speaker 1: saying all those big words and I'm understanding about every
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  Speaker 1: third one of them. But he's like talking about the
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  Speaker 1: things that you and I and our friendship, like the
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  Speaker 1: foundation of it really came to. And that's where I'm
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  Speaker 1: just like, dude, it's crazy. 401 episodes in. We get
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  Speaker 1: a guy that essentially had a small piece in starting
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  Speaker 1: what this has become.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was some inspo back in the day. Because
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure people, I'm sure we'll get comments like, who's
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  Speaker 5: this guy? Why'd you guys have him on? You guys,
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  Speaker 5: you don't get it. You don't even fucking know. You
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  Speaker 5: don't get it. Ben Greenfield was the guy. He was
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  Speaker 5: some of the glue for the Accountability Buddy stuff back
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  Speaker 5: in the day. We were just young whippersnappers in the league.
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  Speaker 5: Just trying to get 1% better. Chasing that 1% year
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  Speaker 5: in and year out.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because all the BPC stuff that you put me on
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  Speaker 1: came from Ben Greenfield. The sauna, cold tub, HGH boost
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  Speaker 1: therapy that we would try to do. Yeah. It all
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  Speaker 1: came from Ben. Yeah. And seeing him on Rogan's podcast
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  Speaker 1: and seeing his podcast and the books. It's... It was
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  Speaker 1: a big piece of nostalgia for both of us today.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if he enjoyed it as much as we
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed him. I don't know. I couldn't get a vibe.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he felt like it was awesome. He was
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  Speaker 1: having some fun towards the end where you're like, all right.
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  Speaker 1: All right, my boy's kind of, he's starting to find himself.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about your cheat meals, man. Sounds like the
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  Speaker 1: boy don't really got cheat meals like that. Sounds like
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  Speaker 1: he just keeps operating no matter what.
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  Speaker 5: Because I was like, when he came in, I was
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  Speaker 5: like excited. I'm like, hey, are you aware? Are you
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  Speaker 5: aware of some of our connective tissue?
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, he wasn't. He did it in the
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  Speaker 1: most polite way possible.
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  Speaker 4: Like, ah.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, we DM'd before about BPC 157. Wanting you to
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  Speaker 1: know how much we appreciate you. Yeah. Yeah, he's a man.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was a virtual assistant responding to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was the virtual assistant. He's talking about like breaking down.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, what a way to go about it.
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  Speaker 1: What was that? Craigslist? Yeah, the four-hour body just unlocking
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  Speaker 1: his potential. Just crazy. Shout out to him personally. And
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  Speaker 1: him just gently sprinkling how his marriage was on the
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  Speaker 1: rocks and he had to make some shifts.
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  Speaker 4: And all that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, yo, dude, you've really lived a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different lives. Yeah, I got to check out his little
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  Speaker 1: TV show he's got on Apple. Yeah, it came out
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  Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago. What's it called? It's
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  Speaker 1: a documentary.
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  Speaker 6: Boundless.
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  Speaker 1: Boundless. Produced by Zac Efron, of all people. Yeah. What
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful time. Dude, amazing show on Friday. Had a
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  Speaker 1: great time at Virginia Tech. Blacksburg, Virginia. Yes. Was unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: The crowd. I will say Knoxville, probably more people. Overall,
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  Speaker 1: more heads to count, but Blacksburg, Virginia, they give a
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  Speaker 1: shit about their football now. Yeah, as far as embracing
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  Speaker 1: us coming to town, like one of the better performances
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  Speaker 1: throughout the week that I've seen so far. Virginia Tech
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  Speaker 1: making posts saying that we're coming out. Yeah, they're like,
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  Speaker 1: the thing I loved the most about Virginia Tech fans
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  Speaker 1: is we brought up, like Big Ten schools, SEC schools,
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  Speaker 1: Big 12 schools, schools that are not in their comforts
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  Speaker 1: at all. And they would just boo the shit out
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  Speaker 1: of them. They're like, hey, no, no, no, fuck that.
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  Speaker 1: The only time they would ever cheer was when Metallica
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  Speaker 1: was playing, James Franklin came on, or we happened to
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  Speaker 1: mention one of their players. Luke Reynolds.
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  Speaker 4: Luke.
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  Speaker 1: Every time a player was mentioned, they would lose their mind.
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  Speaker 1: But dude, incredible atmosphere. The day of a game. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't work out their way. I was sad for him.
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  Speaker 1: I was sad for him. We talked about that in college.
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  Speaker 1: Turkey legs were good.
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  Speaker 6: First time y'all got food on set.
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  Speaker 1: They were solid. First time we had food on set,
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  Speaker 1: I actually said goodbye, too, as we were in the
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  Speaker 1: commercial break. I was like, we'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 1: And the next time will be five minutes from now
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  Speaker 1: when we come back. Interesting move, I thought. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of sprinkled over with Franklin is your mascot is a hokey,
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  Speaker 1: which is essentially a turkey. Learned that the bird's name
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  Speaker 1: is Turkey Bird. And your gift to us is a
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  Speaker 1: turkey leg. Yeah. Doesn't really, I feel like it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: You want us to eat the Hokies. Yeah. If anything,
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  Speaker 1: we should be like, you should give us turkey, baby
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  Speaker 1: turkeys as like a gift, like take care of these guys, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like raise these turkeys and keep them forever. But Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Baggs brought us some swag at the commercial break. I
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  Speaker 1: put the Va Tech hat on, dude. Started supporting. Guy
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  Speaker 1: had incredible energy. Yeah, he did. Incredible energy out of
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  Speaker 1: Franklin too. He was awesome, man. The vibes were immaculate
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  Speaker 1: the entire time.
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  Speaker 4: Had a great time.
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  Speaker 1: Lincoln this weekend. How do we feel about that, dude?
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  Speaker 1: You know how I feel. I know. We did a
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  Speaker 1: whole college football breakdown. But hey, I'll tell you what, Nebraska,
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  Speaker 1: it's time to go. It's time to go. It's a
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  Speaker 1: big moment. Can't have 10 penalties in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: Can't do it. Can't do it. Got to play clean football,
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  Speaker 1: but also that backyard football that Calandria has been playing.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of love that as well. I need the
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  Speaker 1: sprinkled backyard play. Him, do you see the hurdle he had?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: He had a hurdle? Oh, yeah. Jumped over a terp.
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  Speaker 1: Can I be real with you? I saw it. That
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  Speaker 1: boy's got bunnies. That boy can move around a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Need Jamal Rule playing this week? No. He was hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Limited snaps or did not play? Did not play. Did
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  Speaker 1: not play. DNP. Now, Mekhi Nelson is a dog. No question.
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  Speaker 1: He's a dude. But it's going to take everybody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to take everybody. It's going to take everybody
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  Speaker 1: as we go to Lincoln-Brown Stadium. We're going to need
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  Speaker 1: them all. We're going to need them all. Busting and
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  Speaker 1: paying on campus, sitting there. Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Sold out. I'm expecting to do this show from 2
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  Speaker 1: to 3 Eastern Time, and it's going to be me
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  Speaker 1: and Josh Pate. Because once we land, once tires hit
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  Speaker 1: the surface of Lincoln, Nebraska, Will's all Nebraska. And he's
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  Speaker 1: going to have his moment, I'm sure, to juice up
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  Speaker 1: the fans. They're going to love him because everybody loves
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  Speaker 1: Will Compton. But don't even worry about talking about any
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  Speaker 1: other games, any other ballplayers, buddy. You just sit back.
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  Speaker 1: There's some good games on this weekend. I'm fired up
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  Speaker 1: for this. There's some great games on this weekend.
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  Speaker 6: Video.
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  Speaker 1: Big screen video. Oh, for the pregame. The Jumbotron. The
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  Speaker 1: Jumbotron we'll call. I don't know if I can. I
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  Speaker 1: haven't done one this year. You have to do it live.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't done one yet this year.
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  Speaker 6: Can't lose the voice that early, though.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You can't lose the voice that early. We'll be
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  Speaker 1: there for the entire game. Because we're going to need
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  Speaker 1: it all four quarters. Yeah, a lot of.
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  Speaker 5: Respect for Kurt Cignetti and the Indiana Hoosiers. Welcome to Lincoln, Nebraska.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 7: Will, did you see that Matt Ruhle had one of
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  Speaker 7: the most wild cameos on planet Earth last night?
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  Speaker 1: I saw somebody tag me in one, but I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen the scene.
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  Speaker 7: It's the Green Lantern show on HBO Max called Lanterns.
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  Speaker 4: It's really good.
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  Speaker 7: And it was a serious finale. And part of the
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  Speaker 7: plot line is one of the kids is deciding where
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  Speaker 7: he's going to go to college. And Matt Ruhle is
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  Speaker 7: in the stands. And then you go, oh, wow, that's cool.
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  Speaker 7: Matt Ruhle's in there. One of the final scenes is
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  Speaker 7: Matt Ruhle giving the kid a hat and being like,
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  Speaker 7: this looks good on you, son. I was watching.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: Can you tell me Matt Ruhle's doing cameos?
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  Speaker 7: On a superhero TV show.
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  Speaker 1: Off-season work. That was off-season work. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Awesome TV show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look at him. He's locked in on the Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Hoosiers right there. He always thinking about the Hoosiers right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows we win the off-season. Can you go to
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  Speaker 1: my Instagram and pull up the story? I saw a
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  Speaker 1: AI video of Matt Rule being Michael Jackson from the
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  Speaker 1: movie Thriller. And I just thought, I got to put
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  Speaker 1: this on my story, man. Because it's all eyes on
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  Speaker 1: the Oscars this weekend.
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  Speaker 6: While he's bringing it up, where is the live show
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  Speaker 6: in Lincoln?
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  Speaker 5: South stadium south stadium right next to the uh osborne
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  Speaker 5: legacy complex.
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  Speaker 8: Do what is that where we've done the live show before.
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  Speaker 5: No this is like at uh the it's like uh
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  Speaker 5: seen as like the main entrance of the south side
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  Speaker 5: usually we'd come in from like the hawk side that's
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  Speaker 5: where like when i was in college like that was
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  Speaker 5: like the main side for us but south side it's
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  Speaker 5: i mean it's gonna be It's going to be a
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  Speaker 5: sea of red.
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  Speaker 1: That'll get you juiced up, dude. Oh, yeah. Of course.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually really fucking good. Look at it.
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  Speaker 2: AI's getting too good.
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  Speaker 1: AI's getting way too strong. Actually, this might not be AI.
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  Speaker 1: This might just be... Look at the rule. It's off-season.
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  Speaker 1: It's off-season rule right there. It's off-season work. I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what, dude. I'm juiced up. I hope he comes
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  Speaker 1: on the show on Friday. I hope he hangs out
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  Speaker 1: with the boys. He's for the boys. He's for the boys.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to have Calandria on, but I've already
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: run that past Willie Boyd. He's like, you got to
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  Speaker 1: focus on Indiana. I can't be having shows on Fridays.
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  Speaker 6: That's right, Cole.
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  Speaker 1: Emmitt Johnson, I'm hearing, is going to be in town. Really?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: After their big win yesterday over the Raiders. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: was so close, bro. You really were. They they should
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  Speaker 1: have won that that was a weird two minute drill
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  Speaker 1: for the raiders and the chiefs yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I was fired up i'm like damn the raiders are
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  Speaker 5: playing some ball they.
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  Speaker 1: Operate they operate like all the knock on like like
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  Speaker 1: turnover differential and special teams play everyone's like yeah it's
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  Speaker 1: really like a pig with lipstick like they went toe-to-toe
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  Speaker 1: with a Super Bowl contending team that seems like they're
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  Speaker 1: back more than ever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it took them down to the wire.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where they, you know, it got weird. There was a couple,
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  Speaker 1: I can't, my brain's not really firing on the idea
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  Speaker 1: of what happened in it, but there was a couple
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  Speaker 1: of plays during that last two-minute drill that just didn't
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  Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense to me. There was
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  Speaker 1: a couple wide receivers wide open, then Thuggins hit right
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  Speaker 1: in the chest and it just dropped. It was like
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  Speaker 1: a penalty that wasn't a penalty, but it kind of
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  Speaker 1: became a penalty.
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  Speaker 2: That Taekwon injury was.
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  Speaker 4: Taekwon Thornton... Oh, bro.
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  Speaker 1: And then he tries to get up and celebrate for
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  Speaker 1: a second and realize, Oh fuck, I'm fucked up.
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  Speaker 4: It came out.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't actually break his ankle. It just dislocated, which
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  Speaker 8: I could be worse.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, no better.
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  Speaker 8: I just don't know how it works with like all
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  Speaker 8: the ligaments and shit in there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Ligament tears. They kind of goes into like, they, they
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  Speaker 1: say sometimes like ankle breaks are, are better than like
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  Speaker 1: a high ankle sprain because sometimes it's just the bone
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  Speaker 1: you crack. It gets fixed six to eight weeks, but
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  Speaker 1: like a high ankle sprain because of the ligament damage
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  Speaker 1: that takes place. could take longer to recover but dislocated
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  Speaker 1: ankle if you reset that thing and the tip fibs
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  Speaker 1: okay where it all kind of connects i'm not a
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  Speaker 1: doctor i think it's not too bad seems like you
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  Speaker 1: put some stress on them tendons and leg put some
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  Speaker 1: stress you definitely stretch some.
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  Speaker 8: Things out if he's obviously going to be out for
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  Speaker 8: a couple weeks but that's like a big loss for
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  Speaker 8: the chiefs because he's been really hard rishi came up
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  Speaker 8: lame with a hamstring injury xavier worthy finally.
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  Speaker 1: Over 30 yards fantasy doing that bullshit.
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  Speaker 8: So like taekwon being out he's been like the one
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  Speaker 8: bright spot at wide receiver for us which kind of
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  Speaker 8: sucks yeah you know one fucking kenneth walker dude you.
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  Speaker 1: Know one i'm bummed i didn't just for fun pull
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  Speaker 1: the trigger on what the patriots i know everything was
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  Speaker 1: pointing towards this is when the patriots put it together
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  Speaker 1: bills are playing way too well drake with the yips
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  Speaker 1: is the only thing that held it was holding me
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  Speaker 1: back but that was one where it's like i believe
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  Speaker 1: zero that the patriots are gonna win but would be
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  Speaker 1: fun just to say this is going to be an upset.
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  Speaker 1: This is why the NFL is the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you think a team is dead and gone,
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  Speaker 1: unless they're the Chargers or the Texans, it's like, no.
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  Speaker 1: They're just going to win this week just because.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Vrabel got an unsportsmanlike too. Do what?
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  Speaker 8: Vrabel got an unsportsmanlike.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that. That was kind of bullshit.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He yelled at the ref.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's what you.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, it's a bad fucking call. Bad fucking call.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Just Braves getting the boys' juice. Like, hey, listen,
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  Speaker 8: I'm riding for you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Braves is doing a good job being player-coach guy.
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  Speaker 1: I heard there was like, I don't know, I heard
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  Speaker 1: something about in his post-game press conference where he was like,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: they're talking about derogatory things being said. And he's like, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I just said there was a bullshit call. That's all
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  Speaker 1: it was. And Stretch called me down. I trust Stretch
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  Speaker 1: with my life, so I got in the guy's face
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  Speaker 1: about it. And so that was it. But yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: can't have that. You can't have the refs You gotta
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  Speaker 1: take a tongue lashing every once in a while. I'm
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  Speaker 1: on team Braves on this.
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  Speaker 5: Did I see, and again, I know this is a
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  Speaker 5: World of AI, so I have no fucking clue, but
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  Speaker 5: did I see a clip where Trey McBride was getting
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  Speaker 5: cussed out by one of the referees?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the referee shut the fuck up. The referee was like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you.
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  Speaker 6: The NFL's investigating it right now.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 1: So that was real?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was real.
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  Speaker 1: And it just shows Trey kind of looked back and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and Trey sees the camera catch him and he looks,
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  Speaker 6: he's like, oh, you're fucked.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, that clearly just caught your ass. Because that
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  Speaker 1: dude is legit telling Trey McBride to go fuck himself.
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  Speaker 1: That is the craziest thing ever. These refs, man. These refs,
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  Speaker 1: I think they just have crowns on top of their head. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: you're just a zebra. You know who almost did it, bro? Who?
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles. The Eagles were up on the Rams. We
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: were getting into that fourth quarter. I was like, man,
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: the Eagles might pull this one out.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: They didn't deserve to do it.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Jeremy Clubb gave me the stats of Jalen Hurts' second half,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: and I don't remember all of it.
• 13:59
  Speaker 6: You need to read them.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: I have it right here. Perfect. Read them.
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts' second half stats the last two weeks. 8
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: of 21, 52 passing yards, 0 TDs. Also, the Cowboys
• 14:08
  Speaker 6: had 28 second-half points against the Texans in Week 4.
• 14:10
  Speaker 6: The Eagles had 20 second-half points through four games this season.
• 14:14
  Speaker 6: The Eagles have been outgained by 422 yards in the
• 14:17
  Speaker 6: second half this season. They're a minus 32.51 offensive EPA
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: in the second half, which is the worst in the NFL.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: So for the Eagles fans that are listening to Jack,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: just speed up.
• 14:27
  Speaker 6: I'm not trying to, yeah.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Do you have more?
• 14:30
  Speaker 6: What's funny is Klump sent me all these stats and
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: wants us to post them. So I'm like, he's living
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: in his own hell as well. So I respect him.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: He's a-miling himself right now.
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, info forward. There was a lot more stats soon.
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: Over 12 on third down.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. And if you are an Eagles fan, like
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Jack saying that information, he's not hating. That's Jeremy Klump.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Like we don't hate the Eagles, but Jeremy Klump's fandom
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: of the Eagles has made us essentially hate the Eagles.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Can't have it.
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: The Eagles are also averaging five points in the second
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: half this year.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: The Eagles are averaging five points in the second half
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: this year.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: God.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: That's more points than the Michigan Wolverines.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Am I overreacting when I see 0 for 12 on
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: third down, but they scored 20 points?
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: That almost just doesn't even seem possible.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Chunk plays in first and second, brother. Yeah. Something's got
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: to give. That's crazy. It's an interesting deal. It's a
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: weird year in the NFL. Lions defense is horrendous. Panthers
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: are beating them. Jared Goff almost comes back, but doesn't
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: come back. Is Dan Campbell, is he starting to feel
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: that seat get a little bit warmer? Because he seems
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: distraught on the field. Some of the dumb penalties that
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: are happening. Some of the dumb plays that are taking place.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: The fact that their defense can't get shit done. I
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: love Dan Campbell. I love him. I want him to stay.
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: But like.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: No doubt. Is there a world where he actually is
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: on a hot seat to get fired? I think Mitch
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: said it perfectly. If you're a Lions fan, you've been
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: a longtime Lions fan, you need to realize where you
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: were before Dan Campbell showed up. Because the Lions were
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: teams went to die. Your career went to die. And now,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you're at least competitive each and every week. Your defense
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: is horrendous. Your offense seems incredible. But you can't have...
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: You just, it's the league, dude. It's what have you
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: done for me lately? Can't have it, dude. You can't
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: be around it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: Like maybe he continues to have a year like this.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: He's obviously on the hot seat going into next year,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: but I don't see a world where he's getting where
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: people are talking about hot seat talk this year.
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: It's crazy that, you know, if you asked three years ago,
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: if Bryce Young and Trevor Lawrence would be two of
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: the best quarterbacks in the league, I don't think anyone
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: would ever like pick that up like that.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence been dealing, man. Bryce Young too.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah both the boys you see you see that uh
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: that jp alluded to it on the college reaction show
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: but uh travis hunter oh my snatch the life out
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: of it was higgins right yeah.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: He's like i did that and he looked back at
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: him it's just nuts oh god what oh you.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: Gotta pull it up bro it was.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: That happened to me bro uh hey i'll be getting
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the card That happens to you. You got to pull
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and call it a day.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: That happened to me.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I'm falling down. You got to scream on the ground
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and grab an anchor, brother. Give me the car. That
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: was insane to see. Hit him with that. Going backwards.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Look at this pick. Second pick. Catches it. And the
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: other angle, too, when Travis Hunter looks back at him
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: is just crazy. He's in his post here. People forget
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I play receiver, too. I got moves when I get
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the ball. I'm trying to do something with it. It's like, bro,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you really did something with it. That is wild to see. See,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not following Travis as much as I probably should,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: but it seems like he's having himself a good little
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: year right now. Really dialing it in.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Good sophomore year.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Good sophomore season. Good sophomore season on the boy. But
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: the Jags in the South, like what the hell's going
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: on with Houston?
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: We got the battle of Houston and the Titans this week.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: 0-4, 0-4. Somebody gets to win one. Somebody. Could you imagine?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Hands in a tie?
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the most ideal situation.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Just tie it up. It is wild that Houston, we
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: talked about Titans. It's like, yeah, you can see them
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: being fourth in the division. You don't know how competitive
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to be this year. But Houston, dude, with
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: that defense. Giving up that many points every game, too,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: is what's surprising.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: CD having 17 catches, I feel like once he gets
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: to like eight or nine, it's like, hey, we need
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: to guard this cat.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they just didn't do anything. Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: And then the last touchdown was insane. I don't know
• 18:42
  Speaker 8: if you saw the coverage on it. I think it
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: was Jalen Petrie. He was playing outside leverage with zero
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: help inside. So all CD did was run like a
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: seven-step quick little slant, and Dak just hit him right
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: on the break. It was like the easiest touchdown of
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: all time.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it ain't good out in Houston right now. I
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: can't imagine being one of them corners on an island
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: with a CD or George Pickens or Jamar Chase and
• 19:05
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• 19:07
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• 19:12
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  Speaker 4: McDaniel may get fired.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. McDaniel. Oh, like right. You're saying like mid-year.
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. They look so out of sorts.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: It's terrible.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I want to say even the players are talking about
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: how they're kind of out of sorts.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Like post-game. I saw some too. Again, it's that X app.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I truly sometimes have no clue.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: You're afraid to comment on videos you see because you're like, man,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I might just get got. Yeah. This is definitely a
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: move for Harbaugh in the very near future if it
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: continues the way it has been. We've got to move
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: on from this OC. McDaniels, his time. Where does he
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: go next? What's his next move? The beach, man. The beach.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: He's out, man. Social media. Yeah. Yeah. The Broncos next,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: then the Chiefs. Who would have thought the Raiders would
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: be competing like this? You love it. They were good.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised, too. I'm like, hell yeah, boys. Like, let's go.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: And I love, like, I know they ended up losing,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: so I'm sure Chiefs fans are having fun with that,
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: like I would be. But Kubiak at halftime just saying, like,
• 21:40
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• 21:43
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• 21:45
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• 21:53
  Speaker 1: We can compete and we can beat anybody.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: I think the Raiders, what they're missing is a wide receiver. Yes,
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: they have the tight ends, but I'm saying, I think
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: Kirk had around 25 completions. Only five or six were
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: two wide receivers. The rest were to Michael Mayer, Brock Bowers.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tight end, yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: They don't have... like a wide receiver threat that you're
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: kind of scared of.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It was like Tucker. He's a trade Tucker dude. Like
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: there was, there was a couple, a couple of drops
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: out there a couple of times that Kirk did go
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to him towards the end of the game and either
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: drops or a very acrobatic catches that ended up just
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: tipping the ground for a second. But yeah, did you
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: get yourself a star studded wide receiver out there? That's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: where you're like, if you're the Raiders and you're in
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a position where, Hey, we actually are competitive this year.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's worth before the trade deadline going to grabbing somebody.
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Someone that can give you a little boost on the outside. Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're 3-1. Like, they are. They are up
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: there at the top, bro. Because who's undefeated? Who else
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: is undefeated in the AFC?
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Chiefs.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: Not the Bills anymore.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: No, not the Bills anymore. Seattle.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: No, they lost to the Commanders.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: No, that's it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Chiefs.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chiefs, bro. The only undefeated team in the AFC.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Niners look good, bro. As long as that substation don't
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: take them down. Really, all that matters is the substation.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Can they stay healthy?
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: You see George run.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: George and Gallup, no.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: I didn't realize he was that fast. He was pulling
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: away from safeties.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: He can scoot now. He can scoot. He got some
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of that sneaky athleticism in that body. That Achilles was
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: moving around just fine, dude. He's talking about an absolute comeback, dude.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And then the Giants just sitting at the top of
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the NFC East right now. Just the ugliest leading team
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: because they are a slop fest. What did Jameis have?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Like three touchdowns, two interceptions? Yeah. Like a true Jameis
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Winston type of game?
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: That's why they call it the NFC least.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: They used to, for sure. Cowboys back in it. Cowboys. Yeah,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Cowboys back in it. Cowboys back in it. What else
• 23:47
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  Speaker 1: Question for you guys in the back. Have you guys
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: noticed that the shop looks a little bit different?
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: A little bit. Do you have any idea who did this?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: No.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: The shop looks great.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I thought we were getting fumigated.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah fermentation don't come in yeah don't can't do
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: it until 7 30 all of a sudden we get
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: in here it seems like a haunted house is taking
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: place like who could have how could this have happened
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: but some of the boys embracing spooked over it just
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: seems like there's a contract here for one guy and
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: he didn't do it the first couple of days guys
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: were shitting on them and then all this happens it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: just kind of wild right it's.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Weird kind of crazy to see What's the angle? Are we.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: The angle is I'm trying to figure out who did this. Oh, yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? I have no clue.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: This is kind of crazy. Bustin' with the Boys and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Bracing Spooktober. It's what Bustin' with the Boys does. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: guess so, man. It's just great to see this shop.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: But who did it? That's what I'm wondering, Sherm. Do
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you not want us to be like, you did it? Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And then you go... Listen, I'm trying to find out
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: who did it. Like, Sherm and I, we talked at, what,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: 7.30 this morning? Like, yo, did you do it? No,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: did you do this? It's like... Who did this at
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: the shop?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it blew my mind, honestly, when I pulled up.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Sounds like we got to find out. Maybe it was Klump.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: Now it's a mystery.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: We got to find out who saved Spooktober. We got
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to find out who saved Spooktober. Here we are, man.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Got some callbacks here. That's like a weird spin. Bro, this- Dude,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure it out. This callback is-
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe the best callback we've ever had. We got to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: take this as if this is the actual guy, too. Yes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Go Vols 18149 on YouTube. Grumpy cop here. If you
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: guys listened to the episode last week, you're a tailor.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Break down the entire story of Friday Night Lights with
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Shane Gillis. We get, you know, cops pull up on us.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: We're in a parking lot having some fun, having some
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: good combos. But we alluded to a grumpy cop. This
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is grumpy cop writing in. You guys actually made my night.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I had just responded to an incident with my son
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: being attacked at another area football game, so I wasn't
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: in the best of moods. However, after the fact, this
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: improved my mood, especially since I looked Shane in the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: face and said, you look just like that comedian, not
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: realizing until after you left that it was actually him.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Either way, I appreciated your guys' cooperation. Sorry to bust
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: up the party. Laugh out loud.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: That is.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: If that is him, which I have no reason to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: believe it's not. When we were in the pre-pro, I
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: believed it was him. When you read that just now,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, ain't no fucking way that's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the grumpy cop. You don't think so? That's a username.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: What's making your senses go off?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Grumpy cop here is the first start. The second start
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is I was responding to another call where my son
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: was being attacked. That's what makes me believe that it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: could be real.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: It's so insane.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: Why is he making that part up?
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: Not only that, the ultimate username for a cop in Alcoa,
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: Tennessee is GoVols18174.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It all lines up.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm with it. And he also edited that comment
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw that. That kind of raised my suspicion.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: A little bit. I'm going to just choose to believe
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that this was the Grumpy Cop. Cause that's awesome. I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: absolutely love that. Did I fall for an internet thing? No, no, no, no.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I think just like my sleeves, I think just like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the shop wondering who did spook to ever, we had
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to wonder who really wrote that comment. Not the same person,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: not the same person.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: I don't think you remember if someone said, To Shane, like,
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: are you that comedian?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I do not remember that taking place. I did not
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: see that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: I think in the comedy he's saying, or I guess
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: he had said something. I don't know, because two of
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: the cops asked for photos.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I want to say when we were standing in like
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a line when he was going through all of our IDs,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but then he would have saw the name.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: That could be the bit of information that confirms it,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: is if y'all ask Shane, hey, did the cop say
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you look like that comedian guy?
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if the grumpy cop took all of our IDs,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: he had Shane's ID. So he would have looked at
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  Speaker 1: it and would have said Shane Gillis.
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  Speaker 10: Perfect.
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  Speaker 7: Does Shane have a different legal name? Is Shane's legal
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  Speaker 7: name Shane Gillis, I'm guessing?
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  Speaker 1: Right? There's no way he made that up.
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  Speaker 5: Grumpy Cop, if you're listening right now, leave a comment
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: and give us your height and your hair color.
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  Speaker 1: Not all of it. Also something that we did not
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  Speaker 1: say on the story that we would know that it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: actually you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe what cars were being driven in our group.
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  Speaker 6: Because there's two distinct things you would know. that I
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  Speaker 6: don't think were discussed last week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Shape, size, make, model, whatever you can give information-wise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe that can help.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why we're investigating.
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  Speaker 1: We're investigating our comment. He's going to respond like, I
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• 29:13
  Speaker 1: really listened to a sit down interview with darius this
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: guy is just a guy's guy definitely one of the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: boys what a phenomenal pull boys well done 400 episodes
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  Speaker 1: and getting better and better been here since day one
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  Speaker 2: You think that was really him.
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  Speaker 1: Though Who knows? at this point? I mean, Darius was
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  Speaker 1: Especially just starting with, holy fuck. He's so surprised he's
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  Speaker 2: He must have had another comment, but maybe he was
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• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the brain.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, also, holy fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. Did Grumpy Club? This has to do with
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Grumpy Club.
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  Speaker 4: He switched users?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: He switched users?
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  Speaker 4: Edited?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Could have been.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Sorry to bust at the party. Also, holy fuck, there
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• 30:11
  Speaker 5: We got one here from RossB400. I first got introduced
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• 31:00
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• 31:54
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the one. That's the first one. That's
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• 32:19
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What would your song be at your funeral? I'd probably go, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin's Natural Foods clean take. Spooktober is the best holiday
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  Speaker 1: Clean take. Clean take right there. Well, before we get
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  Speaker 1: into the interview with Ben Greenfield, we have a shout out.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: we have a shout out, no free shout out coming
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  Speaker 1: from our boy, Mitch, the big man foundation. Mitch, you
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about it? Think of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: coach campaign. Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: So the big man foundation show tomorrow, actually. So today, Tuesday,
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: October 6th is national coaches day. So one of my
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: strength coach from college, he's like the head chairman of
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: the big man foundation. And what this does is it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: a foundation to help coaches who have been affected by tragedy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: So like, I don't know if like cancer or like
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: it's freak accident kind of thing. This foundation will go
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: in and like, say like handicap a house to help
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: with whatever situation it may be. Coach Eckler is involved.
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: Lanning is, has, is about it. Ben Newman, Ben Newman is,
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: is in it. And also stretch is like good buddies
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: with the CEO of the foundation.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Shut up stretch.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: So I think, something that would be super quick and
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: easy for us to do. Just kind of like shout
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: out a coach. Well, we all can just super quick
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  Speaker 8: of like that has affected you in a positive way.
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: And like, kind of thank you.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Well, since X part of it, shout out to coach Eckler.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Coach X always made a big, big impact in my life.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: He was when, when I went through my first surgery
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: with my labrum and was out for like, what, six months, whatever,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: like not having family up in Nebraska, like allowed me
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: to like stay at his house. And him and his wife, Barbie,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: shout out Barbie, they helped take care of the boy.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Another one, Coach Bisaccio. When my mother passed away, Coach
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Bisaccio was there that night, giving me a shoulder to
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: lean on, telling me, hey, go home, stay with your family,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: be with your family. So those are two coaches I
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: would give massive shout outs to.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Two for me, I would go, obviously, Charlie Riggle, Chaparral
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: head coach in 2008 and 2009 when I was there. Uh,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: without him, I would not have made it to the NFL.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I would not have got a scholarship offer. I was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: playing a D tackle. And so he, uh, definitely helped
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: pub me out there. And it was, it was a
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: massive help without him. I would not have made it
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: to the, to college or anything. And then another one,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Russ Grimm, uh, hall of fame inductee. He was my
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: old line coach, uh, with Mike Malarkey, the, I think
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: my third, fourth, third and fourth year. One of the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: best coaches I've ever had. Simplified the game for me. Really,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I took massive steps in my career with him because
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: he just made it all like, don't overthink it. This
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: is what you got to do. Just go out and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: do it. He was very like, kiss method with him
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to where you look at this big screen of like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you have to understand safeties and all these linebacker things.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: And I didn't know all of that. I would overanalyze
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and have like paralysis by analysis. But once he like
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: simplified the game for me, the speed and everything was
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: just way better. So shout out Russ Grimm.
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  Speaker 5: Shout out Russ Grimm. Shout out the Big Man Foundation.
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  Speaker 5: There are multiple ways to take part. Players, parents, and fans.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Think a coach by name. You can post a photo
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: or a message about a coach who made a big
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: difference in your life. Use the hashtag National Coaches Day
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: and hashtag Think a Coach. Be sure to tag both
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: the coach and Big Man Foundation. You can also, they're
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: a leader in your sport. Thank your coaches on camera.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Athletic directors, head coaches, executives. And anyone in a leadership
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: role can record a short video thanking their coaches posted
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: on October 6th with hashtag National Coaches Day. You can
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: also tag Big Man Foundation. They will share it and
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: amplify it against across the coaching community. You can share
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: a coach's story. You can simply go to the big
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: man foundation.org. Selected stories will be featured on their channels
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: the week after national coaches day. And you can also
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: use the free toolkit online, ready to post graphics, sample captions,
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: and a simple how to guide. They're all available right
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: now on the big man foundation, national coaches day page.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: We'll put all this stuff in the description for like,
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: donations and stuff and all that stuff but i think
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: it's a pretty cool pretty cool cause and we've all
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: been affected by coaches all playing sports and stuff growing
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: up so.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely and if nothing else go thank one of your
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: coaches today hey.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you man can i give a quick i actually
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: met a coach high school football coach this weekend first
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: time ever in nashville randomly downtown before i was going
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: to a concert from four miles florida his name's coach
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: baz But we start talking about life, and he's asking
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: me what I do. I explain, you know, busting with
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: the boys. He's like, dude, ROC loves you guys. He
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: starts freaking out. We all become best buddies. I told
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: him we should send him some merch and stuff, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: I actually just got a text from him yesterday morning.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: kind of reminded me of it but shout out coach
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: baz and the green waves they're three and three right
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: now got a gritty game coming up this weekend so
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: hopefully the boys are dialed in but shout out coach
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: baz i wish i knew the oc's name but i
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: assume he's listening so shout out the green.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Wave shout out the green wave just.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: For frequently asked questions it doesn't have to be a
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: football coach i'm assuming.
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: It can be any like any coach that you've any
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: coach that has affected or influenced your life so i
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: would like i would thank one of my baseball coaches
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: coach kennedy he was just always the boy and like
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: the other coach in college who I've had some recent
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: beef with.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not going.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: To say his name. But I want to thank you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I did have some recent beef with his ass.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: He's the one that kind of believed me in college
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: and I can't thank him enough.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I love him, man. Should we dive into Ben Greenfield?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Let's get into Ben Greenfield. Big hugs. Big kisses. All right,
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  Speaker 1: C without Ben Greenfield. You were, I was heavy on
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you in like 2014, 15. I started listening to you.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Like I heard you on Rogan. You're talking about all
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: this stuff you did for testosterone. I know that was
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: kind of a viral moment for you. Cause that was
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: like in men's health magazine, all the different things you did. Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: It was like testosterone, male sex help.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Like dick pills at a gas station, injecting stem cell
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in you.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Wacky stuff.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. red light therapy, but you brought up BPC 157, bro. Yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Which wasn't on it. I'm listening to you.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Way back in the day. Way back in the day.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I remember writing an article called the Wolverine stack before
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: anybody would- TB500 and BPC.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: And now it's definitely a thing.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: Because when anybody hits me up about, hey, BPC 157,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: or whether it's TB500, I have that article bookmarked and
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: I just send it to them because I'm like, I
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: can't just read this article.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: And then you'll know.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: But I had a- It's probably a pretty outdated article.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: I think it's literally like 16 years old. That's the
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: thing about.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: Science though is it never keeps evolving. So that's good
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: to have 10 years later. But I'm listening to you
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: and I'm just taking you kind of for your word.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Like I researched a couple of things, but you're like BPC,
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: it's not on the USADA list yet, all these things.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: And so I'm going to, I'll just say my circle.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: And I'm getting BPC to where I would have like
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: a grade one hamstring or any soft tissue injury that
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I would have. And I would just basically do your method.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, anywhere I went, like.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Whether I was at a PA event in Vegas and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: somebody's talking about injury stuff, I'm like, hey, let me
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: talk to you about BPC-157, because now it is on
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the USADA list. But dude, I was heavy. I want
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to say we might have even spoke back then in
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: 2015 or 16.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: We might have. That TB500, GHK copper peptide, there's like
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: the trilogy now for injuries. And then they work pretty well.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, often in like, so probably in that article,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: I said something like 200 to 300 micrograms. I've talked
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: to some athletes now who are using up to 20
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: mgs of BPC. If you listen to your podcast, you
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: would talk about- Yeah, for an acute injury. Really?
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Because you'd go twice a day. Again, I would listen
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: to your pod and you'd talk about how often you
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: can actually do it. I would do- Whatever you were saying,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: whether it's the sauna, cold tub, Taylor and I would
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have our accountability Friday. Once a week, we would have
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: accountability sessions where we would do your HGH unlock, where
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: you do 30 minutes of the sauna, air dry, 30
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: minutes back in the sauna, finish with a cold shower
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: or cold tub. And that's where we had our accountability situation. Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that's Sunday recovery day in our house. Yeah, so we go...
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: obviously the season is an animal and you get to
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: these points where like you should recover, but you kind
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: of just want to sleep and put your legs up
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and we would like, one of us would be faltering.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And then they would be like, we got to get
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it done. Let's just go do it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: And we get it done at the facility together. That's
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: like the whole thing with bio, so, so, you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: biohacking I think has kind of a bad rap because
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: it's a little, it's a little weird. Like it's a
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: little wacky people, you know, putting collagen in your lasagna
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: and butter in your coffee and doing, you know, coffee
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: enemas and laser lights up your nose and you're going
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: to go break Olympic records. And, that's kind of like
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: the dark side that I think is legitimate to laugh at.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: But then I think the strongest things you can draw
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: out of the biohacking industry are amplifying recovery, speeding up recovery,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: whether it's like PMF or red light or oxygen or
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: peptides or anything else, they do help the body bounce
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: back faster. They're not going to appreciably increase VO2 max.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: And you see other things in the biohacking industry, like
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: this is a machine and you're going to get a,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: two hour workout and, you know, four minutes by strapping
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: all this stuff to yourself. Um, at the end of
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: the day, you gotta, you gotta kind of put in
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: the work, you know, blood, sweat and tears, but then
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: like the recovery stuff, a lot of the things that
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: come out of the biohacking industry, that's where they really
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: move the dial.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: How, uh, when did you realize like, this is the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: path you want to go down in life? Cause as
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I just read off the one sheet that we were given,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: like you were accepted to go to medical schools and,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: There's been obviously a lot of books and literature that's
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: come out now about how North American medicine works and
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: how they just try to fix acute issues as opposed
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: to focusing the entire body. And it seems like guys
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: like yourself, Gary Brekka, I forget the lady who wrote Limitless,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: what her name is, but she was a Stanford grad.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: I think Jim Quick has a book called Limitless.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not Limitless. But there was a lady that
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: was like top of her class. She was a graduate
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: student who was going to be a surgeon. And she
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: decided to get out the last minute because she realized like, oh,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the medical system is not where it needs to be.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: But all that being super long-winded. It's all reactive and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: sort of like the, yeah, preventative. Where did you, when
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: did you realize like this is your passion, this is
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the path you want to go down? Because this is
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: not like a path that you can like kind of
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: dip in and dip out of. Like people are going
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: to judge you for the way you look, with the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: research you put out there, like how like, it's kind
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: of like Goggins in the way that, Like, God, did
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you want to be the baddest man on earth? Like,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: you can't like take.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: A day off.
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: It's such a hard job being an influencer online. It's
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: so hard. Shirts on right, hair slicked back. So I
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: had no interest in any of this stuff growing up.
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: So I was homeschooled.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I was a nerd. I was like, played violin, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: played a ton of chess, you know, read a lot
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: of fantasy fiction. I played tennis. That was my main
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: sport in high school. And then I walked onto the
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: college tennis team and that kind of, got me into
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: the world of exercise science just basically studying up on
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: kinesiology and biomechanics and you know all the things that
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of the student athletes were studying that i
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: just chose that major just because i was immersed in
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: in athletics by that point and the medicine piece was
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: interesting to me because i've always been like a tinkerer
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: like figuring out you know how deep of a dive
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: can you take into certain aspects including physiology, biomechanics, biology.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I thought that going into a career in orthopod or
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: sports medicine would be pretty cool. Along the way, I
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: got a gig after I graduated with my master's degree
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: in hip and knee surgical sales And it was like
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: nine months in that where I kind of became a
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: little bit disillusioned because up until that point through college,
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I had been working as a strength conditioning intern, had
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: my strength conditioning certification. I was a personal trainer working
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: at a couple of different facilities, managing the wellness facility
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: at Idaho, doing nutrition coaching. And I was like happy
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: as a clam doing all that stuff. But like in
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: the personal training industry, it's considered kind of a transient career, right?
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Like it's something that at least back at that time,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: you kind of do it as a stepping stone until
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: you get a real job. So I thought the medicine
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: would be a good thing to go into. And kind
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: of like you were just alluding to, I became kind
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: of disillusioned with the whole just like modern allopathic medicine insurance,
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: kind of like broken aspects of the preventive therapy part.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: And within nine months, I quit that job and got
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: right back into training. But into training, like using a
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: lot more of these cutting edge scientific principles that I
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: picked up along the way, you know, doing pre-med you're
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: an O chem and biochem and microbiology and anatomy and physiology.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: And then I already had my studies in biomechanics. So
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I opened up a sports performance center and we were
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of stuff like early on before people
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: were doing it. Like we had one of the first
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: PRP machines where we were excited. I had a physician
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: on staff. So we were spinning blood, concentrating the platelet
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: rich plasma, and then injecting that back in for conditions
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: like tennis elbow, for example. We had an indirect calorimeter.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: You guys probably worn these before. It's like a mask
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: and you can do graded exercise tests on it for
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: VO2 calculations. Figure out how much oxygen you're consuming, how
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: much carbon dioxide are you producing, and then that lets
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: you calculate how many carbs, how much fat that you're
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: actually burning. So you can not only get like some
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: idea of nutrition replenishment, but also your VO2 max. Is
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: it the one.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Where like your heart rate and your air will tell
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: the machine like, When you've gone from like you're burning
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: carbs to now you're burning fat.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you cross two thresholds.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: The VO2 test that we do. Hey, 145 to 155
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: is like your zone two cardio where you're burning more
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: fat than carbs.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: People talk about the fat burning zone. And so typically
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: if you're doing that test, it's a graded exercise protocol
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: and you reach two peaks. You reach one peak where
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: you're at maximum fat burning. And that's just based on
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: the total amount of calories you're burning, what percentage is
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: coming from fat. And then you reach a certain point
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: where you get to your anaerobic threshold, where you're producing
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: more lactic acid than you can actually buffer. And then
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: you reach that final point where you're almost falling off
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: the back of the treadmill or your legs are just
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: turning to jelly on the bike. And that's where oxygen
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: consumption peaks out. And that's your VO2 max. You can
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: get a lot of interesting value from those tests, especially
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: like for me after tennis, I got into Ironman triathlon
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: and endurance racing and obstacle course racing. So a lot
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: of this stuff, for a sport that has a lot
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: of attrition in terms of like, if you don't manage
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: your heart rate properly, you're going to be dropping out
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: pretty soon. Um, that stuff came in really handy for that.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: And then we were doing like high-speed video camera analysis
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: of gate. We had underwater cameras for swimming. So I
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: spent five years running that facility and that's what kind
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: of got me into like the whole realm of, you know,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: what are the cool tools that you can use to
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: get more out of the body? And, and, you know,
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: that's when I got interested in things like, you know, PMF,
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: red light and hyperbaric and, you know, a lot of
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: the things that persist to this day.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I remember when I was at a candlewood, it's like
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: in my room, I'd have red light everywhere for training camp.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I had like that, whatever mattress you, uh, would advertise
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: for with like pumping the cold water in there. I
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: had the key on coffee.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, the, uh, the hot, what were those boots called?
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: The hot, cold boots.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, No, not the boots, like a mattress. These
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: are the sheets, right?
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like you can put it on. They'll get your
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: body temp down because your body has like R3 degrees.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: You mean like the sleep toppers, like the sleep coolers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: like the eight sleep types.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I had one of those too. I thought it was
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: a bunch of bullshit. Unplugging all the electricity around so.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: You can sleep better. There's been levels. Like the original version,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: like the one I had, it was literally like an
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: AC unit hooked up to a giant tube that you.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: You kind of like- Yes, I might have the same one.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Her side of the bed and just like pump the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: air in. And it's like so loud when it's funneling in.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I guess I'm- The weighted blanket. Dude,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I still mess with the weighted blanket to this day.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: And then eventually they switched to water. So you can
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: do cold water. And now I use one called the
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Orion and like they're super.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Tricked out now.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: They got like my side and her side and it
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: tracks your sleep during the night and actually adjust the
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: temperature based on which sleep cycles you're in and warm
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: as you weigh. I think eight sleep does a lot
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: of the same things. Uh, but yeah, they've come a
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: long ways and they work. It kind of sucks when
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: you travel and you, and you don't have it. And
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: if I was really on top, I don't like to
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: check bags when I travel, but yeah, I mean, it's
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: a game changer for sleep.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: The, uh, you, you brought up like getting interested in
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: all like, like what's real, what's not like, what was
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: the first thing you kind of dove into and how,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: how long did it take you to be like, Oh,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: this is a, this is a bunch of bullshit. Cause
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of, snake oils and witchcraft that takes
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: place in this like expertise.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: stuff that's overpriced. There's a lot of stuff that had
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: like pretty decent results in rodent models at massive doses
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: that don't even translate to humans at all. So yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: there's a lot, a lot of headlines that don't have
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of, a lot of firepower behind them. But
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: I would say probably one of the first things that
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: was kind of like weird that I got into was
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: red light. Just like what's this, what's this actually doing
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: when you take the specific concentrations of light that you
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: get from sunlight, which is great for you. uh, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: then concentrate a lot more of it than you'd normally
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: get from the sun. Like, like enough to where you'd
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: have to stay out in the sun to burn, to
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: get that much infrared or near or far or mid
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: infrared or red light. And so I think my first
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: one was a panel and I'd just stand in front
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: of it. Yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: And, and there, there was a little bit on PubMed
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: on this so-called like photo bio modulation science and what
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: to do to collect the collagen and elastin and like,
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: joking aside, even like stimulating areas of mitochondria that you
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: shine it on. Like the, the latex cells and the
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: testes was one that I talked about.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I still, I really did that last specific way.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Tuck it, tuck it down there. Um, and then, uh, the,
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: the number of different red light therapy devices that started
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: popping up at that point was crazy. There's like the
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: helmets to stimulate the mitochondria in the scalp and for
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: blood flow and for hair. And then all the way
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: down now to the full body beds. I mean, I
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: have a bed at home that's like 10 different wavelengths
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: and it's got PMF underneath it and you breathe hydrogen
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: while you're in there. And there's more and more research
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: coming out on like what it actually does. And specifically,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: like people talk about beauty and collagen and elastin and hair.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: But the main thing, especially from like a performance or
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: recovery standpoint, is it's actually hitting a certain protein. Like
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: those photon packets of light are hitting a certain protein
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: that in your electron transport chain, which is responsible for
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: making your ATP and basically speeding up the motor of
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: that protein. And then a couple of months ago, a
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: new study came out that showed that it's not just
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: speeding up, but different wavelengths of light. Cause it's like
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: in the 600 ish nanometer, that's the unit that it's
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: measured in nanometers up to about like 810 to 850
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: ish nanometers, like different wavelengths along those spectrum, both slow
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: it down and speed it up. So it's almost like
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: kind of like modulating how much energy your mitochondria are
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: putting out And so if you're using something that's got
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of those different wavelengths in it, it's kind
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: of like you're, you're tweaking the mitochondria as you stand
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: in front of it to speed up or slow down.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: And then you get into like the super weird stuff
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: where you can actually like eat stuff, like take supplements
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: that help the body to absorb even more photons. So
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: that's where you see things like, uh, methylene blue or
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Sheila G or like blue, green algae, or all these
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: things that are, that are pigmented. Cause if you have
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: pigmented compounds in your bloodstream, basically you're able to absorb
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: the light. Those help to split the light and produce
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: more electrons to go into electron transport chain. So it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: super funky. It's kind of like nature built this big
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: light in the sky that does a lot of cool shit.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: And then you can take that into your, your training
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: facility or your recovery room or wherever else and concentrate
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: that for the specific wavelengths that actually work. You know,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: and now there's tons of devices out of China and
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: they all have varying power. And really the difference between
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: all of them is like, How powerful is it dictates
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: how long you actually got to stand in front of
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: it or put it somewhere to get the benefits.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Something tells me you were a damn good chess player.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: I don't even remember. Probably not that great. He breaks
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: this stuff down. I'm like, oh, I bet this dude
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: was operating on the chess board. I think that chess
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: does burn a lot of brain glucose. Like there was
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: actually a study where they showed like people can actually
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: lower their blood glucose playing chess.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Like- with this red light and all the things you
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: just said, like you said, all these new products are
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: coming out. Like how does an individual, if I'm sitting
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: here and I'm listening to this podcast, I'm like, okay,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get into red light. How does like
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: someone who knows nothing about biohacking look into what's real
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and what is not real? Like how do you differentiate
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: the two? Cause there are so many different brands now
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: that are out there doing it. And there are all
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: these crazy beds. Like Brecca's got that $ 150, 000 like, bed
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: you lay on it and it's red light but it
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: also grounds for p uh pimp and all that stuff
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and then some you can look into it because it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: good for your eyes the other ones you have to
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: put the glasses on like what how do you differentiate
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: what's real and.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: What's not yeah um i think i think the best
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: thing to do is go to the instagram page of
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: whatever influencer that you're following for advice and just kind
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: of like size up how they look and it's that's
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: that's the pretty pretty scientifically proven way to figure out
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: if something's right or wrong.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: So look at someone's physique and you're like, hell yeah,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: I want it like that.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Might be juicy.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to look like a beast right now.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: You know, if you look at any of the, let's
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: say like the technologies or even the peptides that that
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: you'll find increasingly recommended now, um, you can usually go
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: to PubMed for example, and, and look at the actual
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: mechanism of action, what's been studied, what it's been indicated for.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: And now with LLMs, you can feed those same studies
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: into clot or GPT and say like, Hey, I'm interested
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: in this. What do these studies actually say as far
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: as the actual dosage, the actual model that it was
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: used on, like human, fruit, fly, yeast, fungus, rat, whatever.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: For example, yesterday, I was looking at this compound that
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: I heard another strength conditioning coach say was great for
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: VO2 max. It's called myoinositol tripyrophosphate. It's like this This
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: compound that's supposed to allow oxygen to basically more readily
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: dissociate from hemoglobin. So you get more oxygen to red
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: blood cells. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So I found
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: a few websites that sell it. It's one of those
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: like sold for human research only type of compounds. And
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: then I did what I usually do with a lot
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: of this stuff. I pulled up the actual research to see, okay,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: so what's the actual mostly rodent research that's been done
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: on this stuff translate when it comes to human dosages?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: And it was like four to five grams. And if
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: you look at most of the capsules being sold on
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: these websites, they're like 50 to 100 milligrams, right? So
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: you could buy like a $ 80 bottle of 100 milligram
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: capsules and go through the entire thing like a week
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: and a half or two to get the supposed benefits
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: of this supplement and you see that a lot like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: in terms of the actual dosage sounding like it might
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: work and then once you do the translation to humans
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: it's just completely beyond what you'd ever even be able
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: to to digest or purchase and when it comes to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: like the technologies like um Beyond red light, you could
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: look at, for example, PEMF, pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, which
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: is kind of like an upgraded version of earthing or
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: grounding where you're actually laying on a mat. You guys
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: use these before?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Like coils, mats. There's even whole beds made out of it.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: And it causes a contraction, like a magnetic frequency that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: actually opens up cell membranes and these ion channels actually
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: get more nutrients and minerals delivered into the cell when
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: you're laying on the mat and you see increased blood flow.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: If you go and look at PMF on something like PubMed,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: you see some things. It's getting a little creepy in here.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: We got the fog machine going. Sorry, that's why I laughed.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: It's a haunted house in this.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Cue the piano.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, I heard something going, then Sherm got out. This
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: is clearly our fog machine. I'm just waiting for the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: actors to come back. Is that scaring us? I was
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: looking at Will's camera. We have like this whole shop
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: is now a house. We had to be right.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Before you got here. Trust me. I noticed.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, good. I'm glad you observed that.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: So PMF, if you go look at it on PubMed,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: you can actually find studies where, you know, human tissue
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: exposed for like 20 to 40 minutes on PMF. You
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: see things like increase in stem cell mobilization, increase in
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: blood flow, decrease in what's called red blood cell clumping.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: And like subjectively, when I use it, it's fantastic for soreness,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: for if you throw out your low back, for recovering
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: more quickly. I have one that's like underneath the massage table.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: So I get a massage while I'm laying on top
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: of it. But I'm usually going to PubMed looking at
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: what's actually going on mechanistically. And then there's like another
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: kind of little nuance to this. Like let's take peptides,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: for example. You know, there's been a bunch of meetings
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: in Washington, D.C. now about which peptides are going to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: be allowed to be on the bulk list. They could
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: be compounded by a pharmacy and legally sold or prescribed
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: by a physician or even used by a pharmaceutical company.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: And there was a ton of data presented at those
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: meetings in D.C., And there wasn't a lot of data
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: that would say something like, oh, BPC-157 helps a knee
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: injury heal faster, or TB-500 is going to fix up
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: Achilles tendonitis four weeks faster than you might get from
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: normal PT protocol. But there were literally hundreds of thousands
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: of case studies of peptide use that were presented based
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: on data that physicians have from having administered peptides with
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: a shockingly low number of adverse events. So with something
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: like peptides, we know, okay, so here's how it should work, right?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: With stuff like PPC-157, more blood flow to tissue. And
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: we know that there's a significant lack of adverse events.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Like people don't seem to be getting hurt by it,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: but there's not really any studies that actually, you know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: take a group that's whatever, got like an ACL injury
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: and put them on a 12-week PPC protocol and another
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: on a compare protocol and another control group and actually
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: shown that it actually works. Mm-hmm. So it just takes
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: a lot of digging and then just putting on your
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: propeller hat and seeing, okay, so what's the science actually
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: say about this? And again, like LLMs can speed that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: up a little bit. Like you can feed stuff into
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: a language model now and figure out, okay, so is
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: there actual science behind this? What's the headline say? I mean,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: you could apply it to anything.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: Because it usually takes like what, like 20 years for
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: the science to catch up to something that could be.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: It takes a while. It takes a while. Yeah. And
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: especially in nutrition, like there's a ton of nuance because
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: there's like, the carnivore diet, right? And then there's the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: whole like red meat causes cancer side of things. And
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: so then people extrapolate that to say, so if you're
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: on the carnivore diet, you might get more protein and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: quell autoimmune issues, but then you're going to increase your
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: risk of colon cancer because you're eating a higher intake
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: of processed red meat. And then you look at the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: red meat studies and they really don't break out some
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: of the foofy stuff, right? Like was it grass fed
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: versus grass finished beef versus like ultra processed beef sticks
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: from 7-Eleven? You know, were these people who were eating
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: a high amount of meat kind of fitting into the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: category of the type of person who normally eats a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: lot of meat, which is just like not eating a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: lot of vegetables, you know, drinking a lot of beer,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: staying out late, whatever, just because there's like this, this
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: general idea that people who are like more vegan or
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit more hippie or shopping at whole foods
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: or whatever are taking better care of their bodies. Whereas
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: the people are eating all the meat maybe aren't doing
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: so much of that.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: And so there's just like all these nuances that you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: have to look at. What is your stance on the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: carnivore diet? Um, Well, I tried it. Uh, I had
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: that guy, you've seen Paul Saladino. He's like one of
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the dudes who really made it popular early in the day.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: He's a doctor. I think he lives in Costa Rica now.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: So he came out to my house, like, like what he,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: I think he'd done like one podcast before. I think
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: he did Mark Bell's podcast. And then he came up
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: to my house and he stayed there for a few
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: days and he would only eat meat. And he was
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: very specific. Like I would get ready to make steak
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: and he would be like over my shoulder. He's like,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: don't put anything on my steak. Like salt, salt was allowed.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: He had me like boil the steak. Cause he didn't
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: even want it like on the stovetop because of the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: carcinogens from the charring of the meat or whatever. And
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: so it like, it was extreme, his version of it.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: But then I interviewed him for like two and a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: half hours. And by the end of the interview, he
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: had me convinced that It was worth trying just to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: like see what happens. So I spent 12 weeks on
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: a strict carnivore diet. Like a strict, like meticulous like his. Meat, salt.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: I had some spices. I think I had a little
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: bit of like hot sauce that I was using just
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: because I had to dress it up a little bit.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: But beyond that, I not only did it, but I
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: did it the right way, meaning like nose to tail.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: So I wasn't just eating massive amounts of muscle meat,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: which can be an issue because that's super high in
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: an amino acid called methionine and very low in an
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: amino acid called glycine. And if your methionine to glycine
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: ratio is really high, that can have impacts for lifespan.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: You're basically in a constant state of anabolism. So that's
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: why a properly comprised carnivore diet, you would be eating liver, heart, kidney,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: maybe some of the thymus and the sweet breads, bone marrow,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: bone broth, and then the muscle meat and the fat.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: That's how you would do it. And that's how I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: did it. And I felt great on the diet. There's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: a few initial days where... your microbiome is reinventing itself
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: because you're not getting the same type of fiber or
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: the same type of polyphenols and the type of things
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: that would feed your gut that you're getting from plants.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: A lot of people will get diarrhea, just weird bowel
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: movements and feel off for a few days. Then once
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: you stabilize, it's some pretty clean energy. You recover faster.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: It's obviously pretty anabolic just based on the amount of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: muscle that you're eating. For people who have a reaction
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: to the natural plant defense mechanisms that are in plants,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good option as like a short-term
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: healing diet for the gut. Because if you look at plants,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: they don't have teeth and claws and hooves and nails
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: and antlers and all these things to protect themselves. So
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: they produce compounds like gluten and other forms of like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: lectins and phytic acid inhibitors and all these things that
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: in people who have a sensitive gut can kind of
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: do a number on the gut. And there's two ways
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: around that. One is you soak and you sprout and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: you ferment and you slow prepare all the plants so
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: that you're actually nuking a lot of these digestive issues.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: Or you just say, screw it, I'm just going to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: just eat meat. And then when you shift to just
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: eating meat, you're basically giving your gut a break from
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: all of those mild stressors, even just something like roughage
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: and fiber that might be causing issues in somebody who
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: has a compromised gut. But then long-term, like after you've
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: done that for like, let's say typically it'd be like 12,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: 16 weeks around in there for the gut to actually
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: heal itself, not eating plants, seeds, nuts, like anything that's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: not technically allowed on a carnivore diet, even like honey, berries,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: whatever for the rest of your life is super hard
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: to do. Like can never go out to an Italian restaurant.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: You're like the asshole at the party who's eating all
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: the meat, you know, that nobody else gets. And, uh,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: I feel like they're just like, we love to eat
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: at our house. My wife's a great cook. My son's cook.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: I like to cook. There's such like a cornucopia of
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: food that you could make and enjoy on planet earth.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: But then if you just let you limit yourself to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: only meat, you're just kind of missing out on. So
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: there's some people like the, you know, the Jordan Peterson
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: family who I guess have like severe autoimmune issues. And,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: and like, from what I understand, like that family mostly
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: just eats meat because They have such a strong reaction
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: to plants. But it's pretty rare that somebody just like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: can't eat any plants at all. Gun to my head
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: if I had to follow like a carnivore diet though
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: and it was like a properly comprised like nose to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: tail carnivore diet, you could do it for the rest
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: of your life without any significant issues. Yeah, because I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: mean like salt maybe. You need some electrolytes. You need water. Um, the,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: the gut can get by on less fiber than you'd think.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: And you are getting some elements of fiber here and
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: there in the meat, just not as much as you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: normally get the microbiome. If you're already doing things like
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: going outside and living an active lifestyle, you're going to
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: get exposed to some things beyond just like you get from,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: from probiotics and plants. So you could do it. Um,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: it's just hard.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: What is your process in identifying what to try and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: what not to try? Because there are so many things
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: out there. So what has to happen in your mind
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: for you to be like, okay, I'm going to give
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: this 12 weeks? You obviously have the guy coming to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the podcast. He talks to you in it for two hours.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: But I'm sure you can go on your algorithm, my algorithm,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: any of ours, and be like, this is the new hip,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: cool thing to do. Clearly, you're not going to be
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: able to do all those things. So what things have
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: to check the box for you to be like, okay,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I'll go in and give this a try and see
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: for myself?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, the first thing authentically is I just have
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: to be interested in it. I don't know about you guys,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: but just being in the podcaster, influencer-ish type of industry,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: you get sent so many things to try. I'll get
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: home from this trip and just have boxes and boxes
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: outside my front door, and I'm not going to try
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: it all. I'm not going to test it all. But
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: if there's something I'm really interested in, I– I will
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: legitimately give it a try after I've looked into the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: research behind it to see if it's safe. And that's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: not just like whatever, some red light helmet that might
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: arrive at the house to see if it does anything
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: for hair growth, for example. That's everything down to just
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: the crazy shit, gene therapy and human plasma replacement, blood filtration.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've done a lot of this stuff. And
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: beyond whether or not I'm interested in it and whether
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: or not it actually seems to have some amount of
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: science behind it, like is it actually hurting anybody? Because
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: there's weird myths that get around, especially in the whole
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: one dark corner of the whole biohacking industry is the longevity, anti-aging,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: transhumanism type of sector. And in that, people think that
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: folks are using blood boys, harvesting plasma from little kids
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: and just doing all this crazy stuff. I don't think
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff happens behind the scenes. I've
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: never come across it. But I will look at something
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: and make sure that– like I did human plasma replacement
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: a couple times where I'm literally getting like 10 IV
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: bags of 18 to 24-year-old healthy human donor plasma infused
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: into my body as kind of like an oil change.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: You know, beforehand I looked into where this, where's this
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: stuff coming from? I mean, you know, are there like
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: caves where people are.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Chained to the wall?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: They're just like harvesting this. And you know, it turns
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: out these are mostly just like medical students and stuff
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: who are getting paid to donate their plasma. So yeah. Yeah.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: But I mean, if it's, or I mean like even,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: I know this is controversial, but you know, like stem cells, right?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: When I first got into stem cells, I was like,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know where these come from. Like, is this
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: like aborted babies or something like that? So, You know,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: I would ask myself those questions and look into it and, um,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: you know, just basically ask is somebody else getting hurt,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: you know, by me doing this, but beyond that, if it's,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: if it's safe, if I'm interested in it, if it
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: seems to have some efficacy, as far as like the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: mechanism of action behind it, um, I.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Like to try all of this stuff.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: Like, like that, that's kind of how I got into
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: this was racing triathlon all over the world. You know,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: I was doing iron man for years. And I was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: just basically an immersive journalist, mostly just like trying out, Oh,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: this mix of maltodextrin and fructose as an energy dial
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: during the workout, or, you know, as part of the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: ketone study where they had a certain number of athletes
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: follow a high fat ketotic based diet for 12 months
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: to see if the body can become a fat burning machine. Um,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: and you know, a lot of this stuff, I was
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: just trying out along the way while I was racing
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: and I was writing about it. Like I was a
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: blogger and I would get paid to write articles and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: write for magazines and a big part of like what
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: I was known for was I would just like try
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: a bunch of shit. Like, uh, there was one race.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: I think this was half Ironman world championships in Vegas where, uh,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: I don't even know if the magazine is publishing more
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: of this magazine called lava magazine. They wanted to know, like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: could you actually see performance improvements by using all the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: different body cooling mechanisms that are out there? So kind
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: of similar ideas as the cooling mattress that you could
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: sleep on, but there's like xylitol infused arm sleeves and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: hats that have different cooling fabrics in them. and super
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: lightweight ice vests that you can use, and versions of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: the palm cooling device that was developed at Stanford to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: cool what are called the anastomosis in the feet, or
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: in the hands, and sometimes the feet, to cool the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: body as it goes into the palm, and then you
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: got cold blood coming back into your body. And I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: tested all this stuff during the race just to see
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: how low you could keep the core temperature during an
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: event that at that point was in 115 degrees Fahrenheit. And,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: and it actually worked pretty well. Like my body temperature
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: stayed super low throughout an entire race where you're redlining
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: in the heat, but I would do a lot of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: stuff like that where I just like try shit out,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: write about it, you know? And, um, so yeah, I've
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: always kind of been into, into, into testing stuff.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: What's one thing that, or what's something that you've been
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: super interested in and you were putting your stock in
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: it that then you felt like was a waste of
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: time when you got done? I get that question a lot.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: Like, like what was the one that like super messed
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: you up or ate a hole in your skin or whatever?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: There hasn't been a whole lot of failures that come
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: to mind. I mean, I wish I had a sexy
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: story about something that was just like a total waste
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: of time or didn't go right. There's been things where
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: I started to do them and then step back. I'm like,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: why the hell am I even doing this? Like, like
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: the devices that infuse water with the special frequencies of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: certain molecules. So there, you know, it's this whole field
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: called infopathy with the idea that like, water can carry information.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: And so if you subject water to like certain frequencies
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: or sound waves or light waves, and those frequencies mimic
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: the same pattern as a certain compound, like caffeine or
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: melatonin or Viagra or whatever, you can infuse the water
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: with that and then like drink the water instead of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: taking the compound. And so I had these devices I
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: was messing around with for a while and you'd like,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: you like pull up the molecular frequency on the database
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: of the computer. And then there's like a cable coming
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: out of the computer and the water sitting on the,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I infuse the water and you drink the water. And
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: I got like a month through that. I'm like, why
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: the hell am I not just like having a cup
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: of coffee? Why am I like infusing the water with
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: the frequency of caffeine, which is kind of like weaker
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: anyways than drinking the actual coffee. So stuff like that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, so this, this is cool if
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: it works. Uh, but then at the same time, like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: it's so much easier to.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, You're like, okay, I might be a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: little too far gone.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I don't even want to infuse this
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: water with the frequency of steak. Like I want to
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: have a steak.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Your kid comes in and says something, they walk
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: off and you're like, yeah, I am kind of out
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: there right now.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: What you doing dad? Just making water.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Just making my meal water right now. Like what the
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: fuck am I doing?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: Making Thanksgiving dinner with this water.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: This jug. it is so interesting like all the biohacking
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: stuff because there's like so many layers like at some
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: point in high school you realize like oh fast food's
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: not good for you so I'll have chicken but like
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: then it's like any kind of chicken then it's like Oh,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: fried chicken's not good for you? Okay, I'll just put
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: some sauces on. Then you realize, and then it's like level, level, level.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Then you're making your own sourdough bread at home for
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: the bun and getting your organic heirloom lettuce from the windowsill.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: My wife's got a starter.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: She feeds it every other night.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, sourdough's damn good. But you gotta
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: feed this thing? It's just wild. There are like, who's
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the guy that spends like millions of dollars a year
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: on his longevity and he's like, at the body.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: Of like a 25 year old. You mean Brian Johnson?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What like, I guess without going at Brian Johnson,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: like what, like how far is too far? Cause like,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: what is the goal of what your mission is? Is
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: your mission to give people like, here are some things
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you can use. Because there is a point where it's like,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I do the PMF. I do red light every single day.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I try to do the cold talk. Six hour elaborate
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: morning routine. Yeah, it's like you have it. It's like,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: at what point are we, like, you got to live. Otherwise,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: it's like, what's the point of having a pulse? But
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: also like, here's some, here's some things. And when he does,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: it's like, I love that there is an individual out
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: there in the world that has made the decision. I'm
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: going to see how far I can take this. Cause
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: then I can watch and just be like, yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: Like a pioneer. And I think a lot of that stuff,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's all like N equals one anecdotal.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: How much of it is going to apply to like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: all the other males out there with different genetics. But
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: for the most part, like the information is good. And
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: so is just the general, um, putting the general idea
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: out there of like trying things like, well, there's no
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: actual science that shows that sauna can remove microplastics from
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: the body, but I'm going to do it anyways and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: do like a pre and post blood or urine test
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: for microplastics. And I think he showed that it moved
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: the dial, which is surprising because technically a plastics like
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: too big to pass through a sweat gland, but for
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: some reason it actually worked. Um, when, when I look
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: at it, it's like, yeah, there's, there's a paradox of
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: spending a lot of time trying to live a long time.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: And then all the extra hours that you get trying
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: to live a long time are spent trying to live
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: a long time. And you're just like spending your life
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: cold and hungry inside some cryotherapy chamber somewhere. And then
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: there's also the idea that like, you need a good
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: balance of health span and lifespan, like, like in order
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: to be as impactful as you can, and to be
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: able to play the sports that you want, climb the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: mountains that you want to climb and do the things
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: that you want to do up to a reasonable age.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: But then you can get to a point where you're
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: spending all of your time. doing that stuff. Like you
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: can get to the point where you're just in full
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: on monk mode with your life. And the only thing
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: that you're preparing for is to prepare. Like when you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: get up in the morning, all you're trying to do
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: is just like live as long as possible without actually
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: going out and using the body and the brain that
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: you're working on to truly live. Um, I mean, I,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: I just got out of the mountains three days ago
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: and I was chasing elk up and down hills for
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: 12 hours a day. Like me and my son were
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: rucking probably 50 miles. We're sleeping four hours a night.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: Like we were out and it was hard shit. And
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: the workouts that I was doing for the past two
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: months leading up to that was like, you know, 60
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: to 80 pound rucks up the mountain behind our house.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: And a lot of like lateral work for the glute meds,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: because I know my back hurts with the backpack if
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: I don't train that. And, um, you know, a lot,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: a lot of like grip strength work for carrying and
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: a lot of shooting the bow. And so, um, that's
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: an example of training with intentions that you can actually
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: go out and live life. And then there's like biohacking
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: with the intention to just be around, right. For 150
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: or 180 or 200 years is like connected to tubes
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: or whatever that looks like. And you know, I joke
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: sometimes about, uh, I got this from my, my pastor
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: who was talking about longevity and transhumanism. He's like, yeah,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Gollum lived a long time, you know, from Lord of
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: the Rings, but it's like, that's not necessarily what you
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: want to be. Just like some little gobble and just
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: like living under a rock and, you know, just like, yo,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: I'm out here longer than you guys. Um, so yeah, like,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: like I personally just want to be able to like
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: hang out with my grandkids and, and do things like,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: you know, hunt with my sons up to an older
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: age and be able to, you know, play sports and
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 4: just enjoy life and have a body that feels good
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: doing it. And like I was saying earlier, a lot
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: of the biohacking stuff, like for me, it just helps
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: me recover faster and heal up injuries faster and just
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: feel better on a day to day.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: Did you ever catch yourself like at a year or
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: a couple of years span, like along the way of
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: like having like a conversation with yourself on being so
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: into the longevity health 3.0 stuff that you almost, you're
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: almost like robbing your own life. of like being in
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: the moment of like, yeah, well I am putting so
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: much into work and so much in the stuff that
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not enjoying.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Everything that I have worked for. Yeah. I, I actually, uh,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: you just threw me a softball. I just came up
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: with a whole film about this. Like, like, uh, there's,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: there's a film that, that hit, uh, Apple and Amazon
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: TV a couple of weeks ago called boundless, the man
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: who became human. And it's the story of me taking
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: all of this stuff, like all of the Ironman triathlons
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: and building my business and doing all like the magazines
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: and the speeches and, the biohacking and the longevity and
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: climbing the completely wrong ass mountain and feeling as though
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: the fulfillment that I was searching was going to come
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: with the power and the glory and the fame and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: the longevity and the money and everything that comes from
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: climbing that mountain and realizing after hitting rock bottom and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: also getting, you know, almost getting divorced from my wife
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: that like, that's not where true happiness lies. Like a
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: lot of that stuff, that's like the icing on the cake, right?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: Like that can make you feel good. But if that's
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: where your identity is, right? Like if that's, where your
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: fulfillment is coming from, like how elaborate is your morning
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: routine and how good is your aging score and how
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: slow rate are your telomeres shortening? Then, you know, at
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: the end of the day, like you are going to die, like, like,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: and you'll just be like pouring that stuff in trying
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: desperately to grasp at the straws of life. And then
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: realize at the end of the day, like, what was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: I doing the whole time versus being with my family,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: being with my community, like having kids is like, the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: way I think about it is like, there's like this
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: seeming and growing obsession beyond just looks maxing with the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: idea of like self-preservation, right? Self-preservation, like how can I
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: just like take care of myself so I can be
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: around as long as possible and look as young as
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: possible for as long as possible. And that kind of
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: flies in the face of how human beings have thought
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: for a long time before we were able to do
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: all this stuff. And that's generational preservation, right? Like how
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: can I create cool shit and have kids and teach
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: them stories and teach them lessons. And they're going to
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: carry on my legacy after me and, you know, write
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: memoirs and autobiographies and like take my life and leave
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: my stamp on the world rather than just trying to do,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: you know, what a lot of Silicon Valley billionaires and like,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: and tech heads are doing now. Cause they feel like
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: they're able to like, instead of self-preservation or instead of
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: generational preservation, why not just preserve myself and just like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: stick around as long as possible. And I think it's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: a little empty at the end.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: Of the day.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you got a film out on the– you
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: said on Apple?
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, shit. When did this come out? It just
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: came out two weeks ago.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: It's a natural promo. There we go.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: So Zac Efron is actually super into this whole biohacking world.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: He came on as the executive producer. Those are my
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: sons right there.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Nice. So you're rocking with old Zac Efron.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. yeah yeah there.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: It is stuff like that yeah what is uh when
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: did you when you met your wife were you already
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: into this biohacking world or was this before then.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: Uh i was already into it in respect that i
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: was bodybuilding when I met her. So when she married me,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: I was literally like posing on stage in front of
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: the mirror, 20 minutes a night, you know, working on
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: my dance songs, like our honeymoon, we went to Italy,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: like we were riding bikes and I had like a
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: whole backpack full of elastic bands and I would be
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: doing all my curls and extensions and everything in front
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: of the mirror.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: So she had some sort of idea of what she
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: was getting herself into.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: So she has never not known me not trying to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: optimize some aspect of like biology or physiology or whatever.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of refreshing because she's– so she ran
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: track and field during the 1800 and 1500 Idaho. And
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: she's a pretty good athlete, but she's never really been
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: that into all the crazy, you know, like I'll get
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: her a supplement or whatever and it will sit on
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: the counter unused for years.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: You see her potential and you're like, man, you could
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: have been great.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: And then there's– yeah, babe. You could be at 130.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: You don't get this. But she's like very much like
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: she's Montana rancher girl, just like very– Um, not rough
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: around the edges, but very simple in terms of just like, um,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: you know, her, her protocol, if you want to call
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: it that. And there's, there's certain things though, that she
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: likes certain things that have stuck. Like I had a
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: laser at one point for, it's like a laser that
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: you use on the skin for like tightening the skin
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: and permeating the face. And she stole that thing within
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: like two days and just. sits there every morning on
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: the couch, like reading her Bible, like holding up the
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: laser to her face. That's like her morning routine. So
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: I'm surprised, like a few things sometimes stick, but for
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: the most part, it's kind of refreshing. Cause I don't
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: have to take my work home. Like same thing with
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: my sons, they lift, they play rugby and lacrosse. They,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: you know, they do a lot of hunting, a lot
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: of hiking and they like, they'll use stuff around the house.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: Cause we like, you name it, we have it at
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: the house, like all the fancy red light beds and
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: hyperbaric chamber and, you know, PMF stuff. Like, any biohack
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: that exists, we have it. And, you know, along with
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: the whole supplement full of, or the pantry full of supplements.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: And they'll occasionally like use some stuff, like if they
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: get injured, mostly like, like one of my sons had
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: tennis elbow the other day and he actually wanted to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: like throw the PMF coil on there and get some
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: BPC 157 and TB 500 into the injury and use
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: this special deep tissue device that I have. And, you know,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: do these special stretches with the band. But usually for
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: my sons too, it's just like, if they get injured,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: they know this stuff can help them heal up faster.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: but they're not like doing their daily hyperbaric or red light.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Chamber or whatever. Buying into it. Was that a disappointment
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: for you for a little bit? How old are your sons?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, like I like that they're like, they understand.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: And again, like this is my complaint about the whole
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: biohacking industry. Like it's a lot, there's a lot of
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: like shortcuts and like pale kids in their mom's basement,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: like taking supplements or whatever. And like they're outside, like
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: lifting heavy shit and working on the farm and doing stuff.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: And that's, that's where the foundation lies. Like for, for resilience,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: for being harder to kill, for living a long time, like,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: there is nothing that replaces like sunlight fresh air lifting
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: heavy things walking up the side of mountains like that
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: that's where the foundation is.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Is it is even worth doing any of this biohacking
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: stuff if you're not going to put in the weight
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: lifting and going up the mountains and stuff.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: Like that depends i mean like like you know it's
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: it's kind of a kind of a broad question because
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: there's probably certain things that would come in handy whether
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: or not you were exercising like I don't know, like
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: my mom was complaining about neuropathy the other day and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: there's a peptide called ARA290 that I was thinking about
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: getting and having her try just because it can help
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: with nerve support and it has some indication for neuropathy
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: and she doesn't care at all about exercising, but she
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: would certainly use that type of peptide if it helps
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: her to feel better at night. And she's, you know,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: I got her an exercise bike and it's like a
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: clothes hanger, right? So she's not going to do that
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: type of stuff, but there's certain things that I think
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: can move the dial whether or not you're exercising, but
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: I think more people need to just, I mean, even
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: like the whole like Maha thing, I don't know how
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: closely you guys have followed that, but like remove food
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: dyes and, you know, red food coloring from cereal and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: use more natural ingredients and don't use as many preservatives. And,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot of, um, what I might even
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: label as kind of like this, like orthorexia around food
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: going on as far as everything having to be hyper
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: clean and, you know, inspect the labels and, and, I
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: think that people would benefit a lot more from the
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: prevailing message being get out, move your bodies, lift heavy
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: stuff and eat as close to nature as possible. But,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: but the, the, the lion's share of the push needs
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: to be towards that because I mean, even, and maybe
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: I'm biased as a, you know, exercise physiologist and, you know,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: having a background in sports, but like, I think exercise
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: trumps a lot like exercise can trump a pretty crappy diet.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: Exercise can trump a poor night of sleep. Like, and
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: literally like there's studies that show that like doing brief
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: bursts of like 10 to 20 seconds of hard exercise
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: or like an aerobic exercise session in the morning can
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: actually help your body repair faster from a lost night
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: of sleep. You know, NAD can help with that. Creatine
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: can help with that. But exercise is another one that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: really fits into the picture. So I think, um, exercise, lifting,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: training VO2 max, all of that.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It has to be the foundation. And then the biohacking
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: is like, It's the icing on the cake. And from,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, the world that you guys have lived in
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: from like a professional sports standpoint, like that's a lot
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: of the stuff that can extend careers and that can
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: allow you to recover just like an extra day faster,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: which often makes a pretty big difference.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: So that's where I think the value really lies and
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: the people who are already training but need to recover
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: faster or get back into the game more quickly.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: With the peptides, like I'm a pro peptide type of
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: guy myself. when it comes to BPC or TB500 or HCG,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: like some of the things that I have taken in
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the past. But now I'm seeing like peptides where like, oh,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: there's a peptide that changes your pigment so you're more tan.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: There's kind of these crazy peptides. There's some crazy ones
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: out there. What are we out here? There's a world
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: where it becomes too much. If the goal is to
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: be healthier, it doesn't matter how tan you are. Does
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: tan help with being more healthy? Does having more hair
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: help with being healthy? There's obviously a cosmetic idea. Everyone
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: wants to look good. But peptide should be.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: There is that argument that some people make like in
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: the looks maxing community is like, well, if it increases confidence,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: it's going to improve your ability to do a job interview.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: You get a better paycheck and then you'll be able
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: to take better care of yourself and live a longer
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: time and have a better family and take over the world.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: And so peptides, they're basically signaling agents, meaning that they're
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: just tiny chains of amino acids that are going to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: target a certain receptor on the body to cause that.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: that cascade to occur that your body would normally be
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: doing itself, but it will amplify that cascade. So if
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: you'll get like a growth hormone secretagogue, like some Orlin,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: for example, which is actually one of the ones that
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: you can like legally get right now from a compounding pharmacist.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: If you have a, a telemedicine console with a doctor
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: and you take it and it interacts with the pituitary
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: glands to upregulate growth hormone during sleep, it doesn't work.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: If you have high insulin levels, you'd have to do
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: it like on a, you know, in a facet state
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: before you go to bed. Um, or what some people
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: will do, they'll keep the insulin syringe next to their nightstand.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: And if they wake up at night to pee, like
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: inject it and then go back to bed. So you
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: get like that little growth hormone surge a little bit
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: into the night when for sure your insulin levels are
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: going to be lower. And it's, but it's not growth hormone, right?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: It's just like a signal for your body to make
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: more of its own, its own growth hormone during sleep
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: or like PPC 157 isn't like, it's not like a
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: bandaid and a patch and going in there. and actually
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: patching stuff up, all it's doing is causing your body to,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: in the case of, let's say an injury, upregulate VEGF,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: vascular endothelial growth factor, which is like an angiogenic agent,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: which helps to feed more blood to muscle, which could
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: allow it to repair, recover faster. It does a similar
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: thing in the gut. So if you look at all these,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: like they're basically just like signaling the body to do
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: something that it would normally do anyway. And then if
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: you look at melanotan, you have these receptors are called
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: melanocortin receptors all over your body. And different peptides interact
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: with different receptors. I think there's like five different melanocortin receptors.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: And melanotan acts on the one that causes both expression
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: of melanin on the skin. So you get the tanning effect.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: And that's why a lot of people do this like
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: pre-beach vacation. It's big in the bodybuilding industry, right? So
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: they don't have to do spray tans. They can just
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 4: do melanotan. Uh, it's big in the sex and the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: porn industry because one of the side effects of it
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: is a priapism, which is basically an erection that will
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: last like six to eight hours. And in some cases,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: like that's, that's an actual medical condition. You know, a
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: lot of guys are like, Oh, that would be great.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, and it's not at all because it's actually
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: kind of a bad thing. It's like, that's a medical condition.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: And so melanotan base, and it's a, it's a certain
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: percentage of guys that are more genetically susceptible to get
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: that side effect. But basically, it's causing the tanning. It's
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: causing the priapism in some people, but then the side
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: effect is melanoma or skin cancer, right? And so just
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: because something is amplifying the body's own signaling mechanisms doesn't
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: mean that it's safe. And there's so many different peptides
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: out there, but they're all doing that. They're just like
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: taking something that your body would normally do and upregulating
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: its ability to do that itself.
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  Speaker 5: How has it been navigating the responsibility of fatherhood with
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  Speaker 5: all the like highs you've had, lows you seem to
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: have like experienced along the way, like knowing you were
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: homeschooled until about 15. That's when you got into college.
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  Speaker 5: Like that's, I mean, you're way ahead of the curve.
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  Speaker 5: Like knowing that and to like being successful, the confidence,
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  Speaker 5: I'm more just like out of curiosity being somebody successful
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  Speaker 5: and raising kids myself. Like having them climbing mountains and
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  Speaker 5: like doing hard shit or not taking all these shortcuts
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  Speaker 5: that are now out there. How's it been for you?
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  Speaker 5: Like navigating that side of parenthood?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like a constant angst. I think at the
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  Speaker 4: back of any father or mother's mind, like how far
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  Speaker 4: am I going in terms of whether or not I'm
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: living vicariously or attempting to live vicariously through my offspring?
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  Speaker 4: Like what didn't I accomplish, whether athletically or academically, scholastically
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 4: in life at some point that I'm now projecting onto
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: my child and trying to, to, to push them to do. And, um,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: I've always kind of like had that awareness at the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: back of my mind that, that I don't want to
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: project myself onto my sons. I don't want, I want
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: to let them be their own individual beings. I think
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: some parents can take that too far. Like, like the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: UBU can result in your kid being some like purple
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: haired freak furry, you know, and just, just like going
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: off the deep end. So you have to pair that
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: with the installation of some type of a moral foundation
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: or understanding of like what is right, what is wrong,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: or even like, What do you stand for? Like the
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: way that we did it in our house, a couple
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: of things that we did. First of all, we, from
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: an early age for them, we developed an actual like
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: family brand, meaning like we developed our set of family values.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: Like what is it that we hold dear? Like some
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: that are on there are love, gratitude, contentedness, radical honesty.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like a word cloud of about 10
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: different values. And then we formed those into a mission
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 4: statement that hangs on the wall. Like, Here is what
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: we stand for. My sons are complaining because we're in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: the airport for 25 hours because two flights got delayed
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: or whatever. It's like, no, we are content no matter
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: our circumstances. We're going to figure out a way to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: make this fun and slap a smile on our face
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: and have a good time because we are Greenfield. That's
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: what we do. It's part of our mission statement. It's
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: how we live. And then that mission statement became like
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: a family logo, a family crest. We have this whole
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: family playbook. Here's what we do on Christmas. Here's what
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: we do on Easter. Here's what we do on Thanksgiving.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Here's like all my sons have done a rite of passage.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: So here's when they do the rite of passage from
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: childhood into adolescence, which for them was like a three-day
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: wilderness excursion. And then at 16 years old, they have
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: like a gap trip where they had to leave the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: house for three months without money from mom and dad
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: and just leave and go on a trip. And they
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: got a used car and just like drove down the coast,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: visited all these national parks. They left in August, came
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: back in November, and they were just a little bit
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: more mature and having done that, like on their own dime,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: by themselves, without mom and dad. And then 17 to
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: 18 was like a 10-day vision quest in the wilderness.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: And the book goes on and on, just like has
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: all of these different things that we stand for and
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: what it means to be a Greenfield. But none of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: it is like so old school, like we are blacksmiths,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: like we shoe horses, we're football player, whatever. Like there's
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of leniency in there in terms of like
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: what you choose to do as a career, but the foundation,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: like the moral foundation is, And even just like the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: traditions that we implement as a family, they're in there.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: And so I think that's one thing to where my
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: sons have a strong sense of identity, but it isn't
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: wrapped up in, you know, am I doing triathlons like
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: dad did or, you know, or playing tennis or whatever.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: And then the other thing is that we have always
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: had this kind of philosophy that is called love and logic.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: That's not a term that I came up with. It's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: like an actual parenting approach where you basically take the
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: time to educate your child about any decision that they
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: might make and the consequences of that decision. So it
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: would mean like very, very simple stuff like– um, we
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: don't eat gluten. No, you can't have that. That's not
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: food that we eat, which is like lazy parenting. Cause
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: it's just a no to literally just like educating your
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: kids about like how food works and how like, yeah,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: like fermented sourdough bread is different than wonder bread. Cause
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: it predigests the gluten, or this is something that's fine
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: to eat to a certain amount, but then it's like
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: sticky glue in your gut and it can cause some,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: some neural issues and digestive issues down the road. If
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: you're doing too much of it. Here's all the information.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: Now you go out and make the decision. If you
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: decide you're just going to like mow through a dozen
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: cupcakes or whatever at a birthday party, like that's, that's fine.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: Like you deal with the distress from that, but at
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: least we educated you about the consequences to the more
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: serious stuff. Like, like porn, like I've gone through like
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: four different books on porn with my sons and taught
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: them about dopaminergic, you know, uh, sensitization or desensitization and
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: objectification of the opposite sex and The sex slave industry
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: and what that does to your brain, not to mention
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: the waste of time, just like all of the different
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: aspects of pornography that are way different than the way
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: that I was raised when it comes to stuff like porn,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: which is just like, no, we don't talk about that.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: We don't look at that. So most young men are
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: now finding on the internet or back in the day,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: just like finding magazines under the bed or whatever. But
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: for my sons, it was just like, no, this is
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: what this is. We talk about this openly. Now, if
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: I give you all this information and you decide you
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 4: want to go on whatever website and do your thing,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: that's fine. But here's what it's doing to your body
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: and here's what it'd do to society in general if
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: everybody was doing what you're doing all the time. So
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: those are some of the ways that we educate. And
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: then as far as like whether or not I push
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: on them to do the type of stuff that I do, again,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: it's just like back to the basics. Like, yeah, we
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: strength train. Um, and if you don't, it's just like
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: weird around our house. Like if you haven't been to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: the gym, it's just like weird. It's like, well, what
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: were you doing? Um, or, you know, if, if you're
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: just like, like not there at family dinner, like something
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: seriously wrong, like that's just like what we do. Like
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: you're there at 7 PM at 7 AM. Like you're
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: just in the living room and that's when our family
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: huddle is. And that's just like the expectation that you're
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: actually there. So there's certain things that I run a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: tight ship on. And then other things when it comes
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: to like what sport you choose to play, like we
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: just threw a bunch of noodles at the wall to
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: see what sticks. Um, And yeah, they play a little
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: bit of tennis. Like we play family tennis a couple
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: of times a week, but one chose lacrosse and one
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: chose rugby. And one likes to hunt with the bow
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: and one's leaning more towards the rifle. And so you
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: kind of let them go out and do their own
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: things as long as you have like that base moral foundation.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: I think that's what's most important.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: How did you and your wife come to the conclusion
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: to like make these kind of decisions like family crest,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: having an ethos, the whole thing? Like was that a–
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: post having the first kid, Hey, we should have come
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: up with a plan. Was it before that? Have you
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: always been a strategic individual like that?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: Weird thing we do in Idaho.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: You're your cousin. You create a family constitution. There's definitely
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: something to be.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Said about living in a, like the Northwest or like
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: in an area where there's a lot more space.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. As opposed to living in like the stereotype. Yeah.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: We do live in kind of like a conservative. I mean,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: we have two kids, which is a very small family
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: in North Idaho. Um, You know, I, I would say
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: that as dumb as this might sound, um, I give
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: most of the credit to everything I've learned about parenting
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: and education to my podcast. Cause I started to branch off.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: I got like, so I've been podcasting for 20 and
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: a half years, right? So twice a week for a
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: long time through a lot of guests and early on,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: like it was all like fitness and physiology and training. And,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: and then eventually like I kind of like went the
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: lifestyle route. Like I was watching guys like, Tim Ferriss.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, he's interviewing business owners and parents
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: and education experts. And I actually like some of that stuff.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: My degree technically is physical education. So I've always had
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: a passion for education and teaching. And I've probably interviewed
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: a dozen different podcast guests who are experts in things
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: like rites of passage and vision quests and raising a young,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: resilient human being. And it was mostly through some of
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: those folks that I picked up things like, oh, there's
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: such a thing as a wilderness school, right? So I
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: started sending my sons to wilderness school in the summer.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: And so they went to this place called Twin Eagles
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: Wilderness School in Sandpoint. And they'd learn like, you know,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: bird watching and tracking and shelter building and fire making
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: and water filtration. And the guy who ran their school
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: came on my podcast and taught me about like the
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: old school Native American idea of a vision quest. Another
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: guy that I interviewed was like a financial expert, but
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: then he introduced me to a guy who used to
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: be a business brander named Rich Christensen, and he got
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: into family branding. Like, here's how you build a family
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: logo and a family crest. This kind of flies under
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: the radar, but I got to a point where actually
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: I wrote a book called Boundless Parenting, and it's like
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: the tools of titans. I went back and I interviewed
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: all these people again and asked them all the same
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: 30 questions about parenting. Like, how'd you discipline? How'd you educate? Uh,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: how'd you choose, you know, what sports they were going
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: to play? How'd you deal with like disagreements that you
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: have with your partner about, you know, certain aspects of
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: raising your children and then just like put it together
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: in like this anthology of parenting. Cause I got so
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: into it at one point that I was just feeding
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: through the fire hose of like, what do you do
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: to actually like keep a family together? But then back
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: to the idea of generational versus self-preservation, like build wealth,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: pass on wealth, pass on wisdom, pass on traditions. And, um,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's a really, really cool way to like
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: operate a family because you're thinking far into the future.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: Like even from a financial standpoint, it's like, well, yeah,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: I could have enough at a certain point, but I
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: put extra money into a trust that will eventually go
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: into a charity that will eventually be something that my
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: kids can draw on for business or for a home.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: And so it's kind of cool to really start thinking
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: generationally like that.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tools of Titans. What a book. I read it
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: as a banger back in the day.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: All just the interview questions from Tim Ferriss. But yet
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: he had Tim Ferriss.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Another goat.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Mount Rushmore. Yeah. Mount Rushmore. Tim Ferriss. Oh yeah.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, he's so, so he, I remember actually
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: I was, I was competing in the, uh, the short
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: course world championships up in Vancouver, Canada. So I was
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: driving there from Spokane, Washington, where I was living at
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: the time. And I listened to the audio book of
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: four hour work week all the way up to Canada
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: and And all the way back. And at the time
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: I was running two different gyms. So I had a
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: gym in Spokane, Washington and a gym in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: And I was already kind of like seeing the writing
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: on the wall that if I wanted to like have
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: a family, cause I didn't have kids yet at that
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: point that I was not going to be getting up
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: at 4am and I was still training for Ironman. So
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: I'd like ride my bike 10 miles to the gym
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: in Spokane, train there all day, go for a lunchtime run.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: ride back home, hop in the car, drive to Coeur d'Alene,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: train there, come home, get home at 9 PM, go
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: to bed, get up at 3 45, get up again, rinse,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: wash and repeat like six days a week. So I
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: was just like training my ass off. That was my life. And, um,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: so I listened to this book on the way up
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: to this race and it was all about like outsourcing
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: and delegating and like having like a virtual assistant to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: do certain tasks for you. Like even before AI and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: energetic AI, like here's people who you can hire, like
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: as almost like task rabbits. And so, I implemented that book.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: When I got home, I opened up a Craigslist ad
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: in Manila, Philippines. I hired my first VA who worked
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: for me for like 20 years. And just like, it's
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: like she would put together spreadsheets of different like triathlon
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: clubs and coaches in the U S I could reach
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: out to when I was marketing a product to like
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: shopping for groceries for me or finding deals or whatever.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, like, like I had like
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: 10 extra hours a week. And then I found a
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: guy to like mow my lawn and do my yard
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: and plow the snow and just like started outsourcing.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like a key
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: to success. Yeah.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Delegate to elevate. I don't know what it's called, but,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: but it worked. And I mean that, and that got
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: me to the point where like I started just like
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: riding more. And so I went from training like clients
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: all day long to, I created my first online training program,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: which was a training program for Ironman triathlon. And then
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: I went down and raced Ironman world championships that year.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: And during that entire week, I sold the online program
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: that I'd written. I had a company in Texas called
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: disc.com that would like drop ship it for me for $ 197.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: It was like a nutrition guide and a training guide,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: recovery guide, supplement guide, everything. And then I had digital
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: version for 97 and I made about 50,000 bucks in
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: a week, like selling this online training program. And it
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: was actually at that point where I was like, Oh wait,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: I could do some other stuff besides just like grind
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: at the gym all day long. And that led to
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: me getting into writing, like writing my first New York
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: times bestseller. Uh, I just started the podcast, but started
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: putting more energy into the podcast and the newsletter. So
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: I like went from two gyms to working from my
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: underwear at home within a year, just, and a big
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: part of it was, was listening to that book about
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: delegation and outsourcing. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: He's one of the goats, bro.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: I forget which book he added in, but he had
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: this one protocol where it was like testosterone based with
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: like taking vitamin D and eating Brazil nuts.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm like doing that before bed or maybe butter
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 5: too or grass-fed butter or something.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: He had a lot. And he was big on the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: bulletproof coffee.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Like I know that's bulletproof. Yeah, that's the MCT oil
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: and the butter and the coffee and all that.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. The coffee that gives you the shit.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: But he was on like, if you look even like
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: testosterone replacement therapy is a big thing now, especially with
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: Pete Hesgath and the new like, you know, support our
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: warriors program, whatever it's called, where they're actually wanting to
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: put a lot of the military uh, men who are
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: hypogonadal on testosterone replacement therapy, which based on their lifestyle
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: and their diet and what they get put through could
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: actually be an advantage for, for a lot of males
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: if they do it right. You know, things like HCG
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: to maintain fertility, et cetera. But like back to that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: Tim Ferriss piece, I mean, A lot of the stuff
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 4: that he was talking about, like the basic– again, back
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: to the foundation, like basic building blocks for testosterone, boron,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, omega-3 fatty acids, creatine, and a
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: good amount of minerals. Like that's everything that your leading
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: cells actually need to make testosterone. And then if you
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: pair that with heavy weight lifting with the legs where
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: the majority of androgen receptors reside, good sleep, low stress,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: plenty of sunlight– there's a lot of guys who are
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: like turning to gels and creams and injections and pills
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: and pellets or whatever, who, if they just did that
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: stuff would see an appreciable rise in testosterone. And that's
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: one thing that kind of annoys me in the industry
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: is like, yeah, let's just like slap this cream on.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: It's like, well, once you do that, like it's a
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: decision often for life. I mean, there are certain things
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: like HCG or on clomiphene, or there's a, there's a
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: peptide called kiss pepton that you could take to kind
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: of bring yourself back and get yourself to start producing
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: testosterone again, after, not producing it because you're exogenously administering it,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: but it's hard to get off that stuff once you
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: get on it. I just, I wish more guys would
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: like do, do the building block stuff first before they
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: just like take the easy way out, especially with testosterone.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest thing that I've noticed is
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: like everyone is like now that health and wellness is like,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: it's taking a change from like, Partying and having a
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: good time. Now everyone's like really focused, especially like at
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: our age of like, how can I get as healthy
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: as possible and be there for my kids and go
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: as long as possible or be around cognitively. And I
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: just see so many people like trying to do the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: easiest possible things, whether it's standing in front of the
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: red light or doing the pimp mat, the things that
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: don't take like the mental fortitude of, Hey, just sometimes
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: you dude, you got to pick up a weight. even
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: if you have just 20 minutes like those are the
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: things you.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: Have to get as a balance because like i mean
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: i don't remember what you guys mentioned david goggins and
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: like he's inspirational and stuff but i mean dude's got
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 4: no knees got a hole in his heart and he's
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: just like pounding the pavement like i think that's that's
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: in excess right like like you can certainly do the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: all sleep when i'm dead navy seal david goggins whatever
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: um and so yeah i i think Like that seesaw
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: balance between work and recovery is important. But I do
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: agree with you that especially in like the looks maxing,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: biohacking world, like the part about putting the actual work in.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: Putting some sort of thing on your stomach and it
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: does 20,000 sit-ups in 30 minutes.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's like the old school back of the magazines
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: that used to be on airplanes.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: Just like these devices.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: Skyball.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: So because I would probably get called out on this anyway.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: So I'll just come right out and say it. I
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: do have. this one device. It's called a VASPR. Have
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: you seen this?
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, the VASPR system. Yeah, I used to have one.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: And it looks like one of those as seen on TV.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: This is going to give you a six pack abs
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: with no time flat and super easy things. But A,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: it's extremely difficult. So it's blood flow restriction, right? So
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: you're occluding blood flow. And that means that the blood's
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: getting trapped in the extremities and both your legs and
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: your arms are occluded while you're on this thing. That's
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: what it looks like.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: And so then it's circulating icy cold water from a
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: tank that's in the back there because your limbs are
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: burning so much that the cold water is reducing your
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: rating of perceived exertion. So you're actually able to get
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: through the workout. The reason you're barefoot is, and this
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: is a little woo, but it's like copper plate. So
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: you're kind of like doing grounding and earthing while you're
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: on it as well. And then it's a 21 minute
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: workout where it's like, a video screen in front of
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: you and it'll be everything from like eight, 30 seconds
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: prints with 60 seconds recovery to where there's one, there's
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: one that just crushes it. It's, it's two Tabata sets each.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: So there's like a warmup and then one Tabata set,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: which is just 20 seconds balls to the wall, 10
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: seconds easy. And then you get like a six minute
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: break and then you do another one and you're just
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: destroyed by the time you finish that thing. It's super hard. Your,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: your arms and your legs feel like they're going to
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: fall off when you get out of it. But It
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: makes you feel as though you've run like three hours
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: in the mountains when you get off that thing. And
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: when I'm at home, it is one of the main
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: things that I do for cardio. But looking at it,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: it looks like one of those silly contraptions where it's like, oh,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: you're just going to burn the fat off your body
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: and put it in the electros or whatever. But in
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: my defense, if you get on it, you are actually working.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: It's not easy.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: I remember being at Exos when I saw this for
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: the first time in Phoenix or in Scottsdale, Arizona, and
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: they had this. And I was like, all right. Whatever, man.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: But then you do it and you legitimately.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: Was that Verstegen's facility down there? Yeah. Mark Verstegen?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the man, by the way. Yeah,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: he's cool. But it tricks your pituitary gland into thinking
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: you did like a three, four hour long workout, right?
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: So when you sleep, it's supposed to like release all
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: the testosterone.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like a hormone release and then you get
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: this rush, like anything blood flow restriction, you get a
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: rush afterwards. So you trap lactic acid in the tissue,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: comes rushing out. Some of the lactic acid gets converted.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: There's a cycle in your body called the Corey cycle, right?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: And people think lactic acid's bad, it causes soreness. It doesn't.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: Typically the calcium release that occurs from muscle tearing that
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: causes soreness but lactic acid gets converted into glucose. And
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: some of the glucose is used for fuel to keep
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: going or do another workout. But then some of the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: lactic acid can cause a release of vascular endothelial growth factor,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: the same stuff that BPC-157 causes and hypoxia inducible factor.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: And both of those increase like neurogenesis in the brain.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: So you actually get like this brain effect and you
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: feel more alert afterwards also. Like you hear about people
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: eating like lion's mane, Mushroom.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of funny because if you see it
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: growing in nature, it looks like a brain. It looks
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: like a cluster of like axons and dendrites and synapses.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: And when you eat it, it actually causes a little
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: bit of a release of BDNF. And this is similar.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: Like it has like a brain effect and a body effect.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: Well, if you were sitting there and you were talking
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: to an individual that doesn't do a whole lot of exercise,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: they want to get their body right, they're overweight, like
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: what would you suggest from like a morning routine standpoint?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: Like this is the best way to start your day.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: Um, I think some of the main things to think about. So,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: so there's, there's this term, uh, it's one of the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: only German words I know. It's called Zeitgeber, Zeitgeber, Zeitgeber.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: All right. Uh, and it means timekeeper. And basically timekeeper
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: refers to the fact that there's certain things that you
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: can do to jumpstart your circadian rhythm or to increase
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: or decrease sleep drive. Um, if you look at this
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: from like, like a, like a fitness or a health standpoint,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: that's important because, um, How you start your day can
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: dictate the amount of energy that you have going into
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: the rest of the day. So some of the things
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: that that would include would mean restricting dopamine release for
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: an hour or so after you get up, meaning not
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: turning on your phone, not checking text messages, not doing
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: anything that would result in you getting like those constant
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: short dopamine hits as soon as you get up. So
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: that'd be the first thing, like leave the phone in
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: airplane mode. The second would be something that Dr. Andrew
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: Huberman has made pretty popular, the idea of like this
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: cortisol awakening response. Like when you wake up, your body
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: naturally makes cortisol and it's ample amounts of cortisol. And
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: that makes sense because when you increase cortisol, you're basically
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: beginning sleep that night. That's like what's jumpstarting the sleep
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: drive that goes throughout the rest of the day. You
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: have this molecule called adenosine that builds up, that gradually
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: makes you sleepier and sleepier as the day goes on.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: And cortisol is kind of like combating the effects of adenosine.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: So you're getting less and less adenosine released, and then
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: the adenosine is going to sort of build up as
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: the day goes on. So some of the things that
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: would help with that morning cortisol, one would be ample
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: amounts of light. And you could use this to basically
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: shift your sleep clock forwards or backwards, meaning I'm in
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Nashville right now. I live on the Pacific time zone.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: So When I get home, if I want to wake
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: up at 5 a.m. and I've been waking up at
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: 5 a.m. here in Nashville, my body might actually wake
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: up at 3 a.m. because 3 a.m. on the Pacific
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: time zone is 5 a.m. in Nashville. Well, if I
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: delay getting exposed to blue light until it's 5 a.m.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: back home. then I'm going to be able to shift
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: my clock a lot better. So what that means is
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: when I'd wake up, I'd actually wear the type of
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: blue light blocking glasses that you would normally wear at night, right. To,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: to keep blue light sleep from disrupting sleep or keep
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: blue light from disrupting sleep at night. You'd put those
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: on in the morning. Uh, or I'd keep my phone dimmed,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: keep my computer dimmed. Uh, I have like a red
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: light headlamp that I use to get around for this,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: like in the morning. So I'm, so I'm not flipping
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: on like bright overhead, led fluorescent lights. You're basically like
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: living in sunrise or in red light until the time
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: comes when you actually want to send your body the
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: message that it's wakey wakey time and you need a
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: big release of cortisol. And that's when you flip on
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: all the lights and you amplify the blue light exposure.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: Light is just like one timekeeper. The other timekeepers are
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: movement and temperature and food. So Basically working out within
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 4: a couple hours after you've gotten up That's one really
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 4: really good way to like get your body into the
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: groove and the increase in body temperature that occurs when
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: you do that Is one way to realign the circadian
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: rhythm and all this stuff works for jet lag still
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: Getting into a sauna would also do yeah So if
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: you didn't want to exercise in the morning or you
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: weren't able to or you wanted to double up You
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: could do sauna first like do your morning routine, you know,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: whatever that is like read your Bible pray Those are
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: the type of things I'm doing in the morning as
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: I'm getting the body heated up. And then a little
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: bit later on, I'm doing a workout.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: So you can do, it doesn't have to be weightlifting.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: You can do a zone two cardio, just walking there,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: treadmill you can do. Yep.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be a full workout, but just
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: some kind of movement within the first couple hours after waking.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: So for me, it's kind of twice. Like I get
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: about 15, 20 minutes of stretching. A lot of times
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: it's in the sauna. Like when I first get up,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: we're talking like 5 30 AM ish. And then I'm
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: in the gym around eight or so. So then, uh,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: food typically it's something that is protein rich within a
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: couple hours after waking. And then you kind of got
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: to pair that with the whole like intermittent fasting thing,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: which does have some benefits, but like if I'm traveling,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 4: especially if I'm overseas, I try to get 30 to
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: 40 grams of protein. Within a couple hours of waking,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: even if that breaks the intermittent fasting window, because it
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: helps you align to the new time zone much more quickly.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: And then all the opposite stuff would apply at night, right?
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: So at night you're trying to get cold. You're trying
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: to avoid eating a lot of food, especially like a
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: protein rich or a heavy meal. You're trying to limit
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: your access to blue light. Um, and you're not doing
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: like a, like a workout within a couple hours before bedtime.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: So the reason I'm saying all this in response to
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: your question about like, what was a good place for
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: a person to start when it comes to health is like,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: just think about like your body rhythms and then some
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: forms of medicine, like Ayurvedic medicine or Chinese traditional medicine
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: gets super into this concept, like certain things that you
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: do at certain times during the day. The other reason
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: it's important is like anybody who competes, any athletes, any teams,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: like they should understand the idea of like getting onto
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: the time zone more readily. using food, movement, light, and temperature.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: So that's kind of like all the stuff that gets
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: dumped into an ideal morning routine to specifically reply to
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: your question is like, get up, figure out a way
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: to heat the body within a couple hours, get a
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: protein rich meal, get a movement session in, in the AM,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: preferably if you can, versus the PM, even though the
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: best time of day to work out is whenever you're
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 4: going to work out. If you can do it in
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: the AM, that's better. Um, and then do something like
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 4: heats the body in the morning and cools it off
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: at night. All the other stuff, like the red light, PMF, oxygen, whatever. Again,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: that stuff's all just kind of like the icing on
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: the cake. But that's where I'd start. Just think, okay,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 4: so what am I doing with my sleep drive and
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: my circadian rhythm when I get up? And then rinse, wash,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 4: and repeat in the evening.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: You said the best time to work out is anytime
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: you can possibly work out. So if you don't get
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: any movement in the morning, nighttime's still okay, in your opinion.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: You'd rather have nothing at all?
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's some nuances to it.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 6: So....
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: A couple of things to think about. Your body temp
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: and your hormone synthesis is going to peak between about
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: 4 and 6 p.m. in the afternoon. So if you
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: had the luxury of time of being able to choose
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: your most demanding high intensity interval training or strength training
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: to occur in like the later afternoon to early evening.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: that is the sweet spot to do it from a
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: physiological standpoint, from a mental like decision-making fatigue, willpower standpoint
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: for people who actually, and a lot of people would
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: fit this bill, like live a stressful day. By the
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: time you get to like four or five or six,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: you don't want to go crush it at the gym. Right.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: So for a lot of people, what the body's doing
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: later on doesn't necessarily dictate that's going to be the
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: best for you in the morning. But the harder thing,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: if you were able to, and you can would be
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 4: between four and 6 PM. And then the morning would be,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 4: like walk the dog, zone two aerobics, sauna, cold plunge,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: the type of stuff that allows you to a little
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: bit more easily ease into the day because your body
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: is already, remember, releasing cortisol. So you don't necessarily have
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: to do that highly cortisol hyperdrive hardest workout in the day.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 4: So if you have the advantage, or early in the day,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: so if you have the advantage of doing two a day,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: you do like the easier thing in the morning and
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: the harder thing in the later afternoon to the early evening.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 4: But I think for a lot of people, like you
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 4: were just nodding your head with the decision-making fatigue thing
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: for a lot of people, just like eating the frog
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: in the morning is, is the best way to do it.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: If you're going to get done. Cause there's always a
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: level of excuse that takes place where like, for me,
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: it's always like stretching is the hardest thing where I'm
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, I know I got to, but I'll get,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: I'll get laid. I'll lay in bed at night. I'll
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: be like tomorrow morning. First thing I'm doing is 15
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: minutes of stretching. And then I'll get in the morning
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: and be like, tonight we're stretching. And then I'll be
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: back in the bed and be like, tomorrow it starts.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: I stretch and foam roll every morning, every morning, 15 minutes.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: For me, like being, like since I was like 15, right?
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, I worked out and it was a
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: year long thing. So it's like been such a habit
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: of mine to where it's like, yeah, I have no
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: problem going and lifting weights and doing that. The stretching part,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: now that I'm done playing sports, I'm like, pocket, man.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Who cares?
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: You don't think it feels good?
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: It feels good after, but it's just that. It's like
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: the time of 15 to 20 minutes.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: I have a whole lounge though. It's tricked out with like,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: you know, like the, the, the vibrating peanut rollers and
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: the foam rollers and the ridges and like the guns.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you have an amusement park. If I
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: had that, that'd be awesome. Yeah.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, you put on a good podcast or audio book.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: A lot of times, like I'll listen to the Bible
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: in the morning and just like go to town for 15,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: 20 minutes. But then the other thing, Back to the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: timing piece, and this is interesting. I did that full on.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 4: I wrote a book, Low Carb Training for Athletes, and
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: did a ton of the keto stuff. Even when I
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: was racing Ironman, my last couple of years of Ironman,
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: I was doing a quarter of the amount of carbs
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: that you'd see recommended by, say, the Gatorade Sports Science Institute.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 4: I was just doing ketones, high fat, low carb. there
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: are some downsides to that approach like you don't get
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 4: enough glucose in if you're active for like the proteoglycan
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: formation and joints so you get some joint pain uh
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: testosterone suffers thyroid suffers because your body kind of down
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: regulates the metabolism if it thinks you're in a time
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 4: of starvation or famine or whatever so along the years
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: I eventually realized that you can you can kind of
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 4: like have your cake and eat it too you can
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: replace your carbohydrates by eating the lion's share or the
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: majority of your carbohydrates in the evening. You're basically doing
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 4: like carb refeeding in the evening, which is cool because
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: that's a precursor to serotonin, which is a precursor to melatonin,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: which helps you sleep better at night and then socks
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: off your liver and your muscle glycogen source. So you
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: have a better workout the next morning. So you have
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: energy the next morning and you also kind of like
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 4: reset the thyroid, reset the testosterone. So it's kind of
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: like cyclic low carbs. So I'll have almost no carbohydrates
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: the entire day Like this morning, for example, I had
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: Brazil nuts, macadamia nuts at a protein bar and a
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: little bit of Greek yogurt. And so that's basically just
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: like all protein with a little bit of fat. And
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: then lunch, I'll have like some salad with a salmon.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: But then at night, like sweet potato, yam, blueberry, honey,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: you know, purple potato, you know, bread, whatever. And so
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: that cyclic carbohydrate thing works pretty well. But then the
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: thing that you got to understand is because of that
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: cortisol release that happens in the mornings, You're more insulin
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: sensitive in the morning. And so a lot of people like, well,
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 4: that'd be the time that you want to have your carbs,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: like your fruit smoothie or whatever is in the morning
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: because you're more insulin sensitive in the morning. But you
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: can induce like this temporary state of insulin sensitivity in
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: the evening because there's certain things that you can do
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: that make your muscles suck up the sugar that you'd
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: have with dinner. And so then you're able to sleep
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: better and also not get the negative effects of like
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: a blood sugar spike in the evening. So back to
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 4: the timing of the workout, like if you were to
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 4: do some kind of a workout between like 4 and
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: 6 p.m. in the afternoon or early evening or anything
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: else that would stabilize blood glucose, it could be like
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: cold thermogenesis is pretty good at this, like brisk walk,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 4: anything like that. You're basically getting your body ready for
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: an evening carb refeed. So that all being said, if
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: you put all this together, if you're going to have
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: like the perfect ideal day and you were able to
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: choose how it was going to go, you'd be doing
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: like zone two aerobic, thermal stress, hot, cold, stuff like
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 4: that in the morning, going through your day, not eating
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of carbs, doing mostly healthy fats, vegetables, and proteins.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: Then towards the end of the day, you do some
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: kind of like a two a day where you're doing
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 4: like your weightlifting, your high intensity interval training, maybe a
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: little bit of extra cold thermogenesis. Then you're having as
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 4: many carbs as you want with dinner. And so it's
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: a good cycle from both the circadian rhythmicity and a
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: performance standpoint to kind of like marry the carb intake
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: and the timing of the activity like that.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: Did you ever get into, you probably saw it from
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: a mile away, but the carb backloading.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, what I just described, like carb refeeding, it
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: kind of is like, do we keep going? But I'm saying,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: what was his name? John somebody. And he was kind
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 4: of like, it was a little bit of like an
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: IIFYM approach where- It was just like, whatever. John Kiefer. Yeah,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: John Kiefer. And he was really onto something. He would
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: be like, just have cherry turnovers or donuts or whatever.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: But I would plan my day around Dairy Queen and
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: shit at night because it's like 50 carbs or less
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: throughout the day.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: I'm looking up nutrition facts. Like, dude, the most food.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: For me, it didn't even need to be like Dairy
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 4: Queen and junk food. It's just like my wife makes
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: cannonball-sized sourdough loaves of bread. And there's like dark chocolate
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: and like ice cream, but like good ice cream. And like,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: you can actually get the right.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: That's like the right way. I just like, like to
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: eat more of the good shit.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 5: I'm talking, this would be, he, he had a phrase
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 5: cause I love reading his writing too. Like in the car, backloading, like,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: They just talk about donuts. And I'm like, hey, buddy,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: we could be honest.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 4: And I'm not going to lie.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: I would wake up.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: I would feel tighter with what he was talking about.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you're painting the back of the toilet seat for
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: a half hour. I mean, you got to be careful
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: with what you're putting in your body in the evening.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: But yeah, the idea conceptually actually works pretty well. Right.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: Like doing it with the right stuff. Like you were
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: talking about the sourdough and everything else. I ran, I
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 5: ran with it for probably a month in the summertime.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: Maybe this was 2017, 18. Um, and it was one
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: of the better summers of my life, like planning some
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 5: of this, some of my feedings at nighttime.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: Carrot cake. Carrot cake is what I'll do. I will
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: eat an entire carrot cake.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: Like I listen to Greenfield all the time. I get
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 5: stuff from Ferris. I get stuff from Poliquin.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: Kiefer.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: Who else? Who else was I big? Because if I
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: was still playing now, like Huberman would be a big one.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: But a lot of those guys, like getting anything to
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: get that 1% or chase something that could be a
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: little different.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: I was all in on it.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is cool. I mean, it's
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: interesting because like, I think is getting better, but there
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: is a little bit of this rift between the world
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: that you just described, like whatever, who, who are men, Ferris, me, Brecco,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: what are like all these people who are kind of
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: putting out this stuff that, you know, usually the way
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: it happens is like when it first gets put out,
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: it's considered to be like super silly and BS and
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 4: pretty woo. And, and, And then eventually it's adopted, but
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 4: there's this rift between that and kind of like the
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: good old boys approach to training, which is just like,
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 4: you know, again, very, very similar to the, you know,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: just work hard, you know, eat whatever you want to eat,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: you know, and training trumps everything. And then the recoveries,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: you know, in many cases like ice bath, maybe some
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: foam rolling, maybe some deep tissue work, but not a
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: whole lot in terms of like whatever, hyperbaric or intermittent
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: hypoxic training or PMF or any of this stuff. But,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 4: you know, and then you walk into like the average
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: locker room, it's just like all endocrine disruptors, right? It's
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: just like microplastics, endocrine disruptors, things that would actually lower testosterone,
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 4: you know, fragrances. And I feel like, you know, if
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 4: the world of like performance and biohacking could merge, like
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: there could be some real breakthroughs as far as like
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: performance and recovery.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 5: Dude, I agree because it's like– You can come up
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 5: through like Nebraska or Westside Barbell Med, like all these things.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 5: And then I'm coming across the names I was just
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 5: mentioning with yourself, Polo Quinn, Ferris. You'd get stuff whenever
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 5: Rogan would have somebody on, no matter who it was.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 5: It's like taking some of those things you'd hear, like
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 5: we were explaining when we started bonding at the beginning
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: to where you notice the things around your environment. You're like, hey,
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 5: I kind of heard. I kind of saw this. This
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 5: is like the research he's saying is on top of it.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 5: Like I'm going to implement like these smaller things to
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 5: where then you go in the athletic training room or
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 5: the professionals that are in that world to where they
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 5: kind of scoff at those things.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: You're hearing about. So you just be like, yeah.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: And then, yeah.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 5: I remember like, don't listen like just do the rice
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 5: method and yada yada yada black.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: Pepper in my turmeric because i heard that activates and
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: gets it all done and i remember putting in there
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: and like the trainers would be.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: Like yeah makes it more absorbable i mean it depends
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: like well if you if you want the turmeric to
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 4: act systemically and you want more of it to be
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: absorbed past the gut then you mix with black pepper
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: and if you're taking turmeric as an anti-inflammatory in the
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 4: gut you wouldn't want with black pepper because you want
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: to stay in the gut like you know there's there's
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: some nuances on it, but the, um, I, I feel
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 4: like maybe some of this stuff, as far as like
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: hyperbaric PMF, red light therapy, et cetera, is starting to
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 4: catch on. But like, I, I kind of alluded to
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: like that environmental piece, like, like fragrances, for example, like,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 4: I think then the next level beyond that is like
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 4: the whole air, light, water, electricity piece. Like I just
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: kind of kicked the light piece to death talking about
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: circadian rhythm, but more people should know just like, how
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: do you light your environment in the morning? And how
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: do you light your environment in the evening for optimal
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: circadian rhythm? And even like, how do you light, let's
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: say like a training facility to reduce retinal irritation during
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: the day and allow for better performance and better eye tracking? Well, you,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: you would do it with like incandescent or biological led
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: versus overhead fluorescent lighting, where you look at this, this
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: series of studies that are called the cog FX studies.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 4: And it was like, three different studies that occurred over
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 4: the teens, like 2015, 2017, 2019. And it looked at
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 4: the effects of indoor air quality on performance, on reaction time,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 4: on cognition. And it turns out there's actually something to like,
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: HEPA air filtration and the absence of volatile organic compounds
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 4: in the air actually improving cognition during the day. It's
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 4: almost like dirty air kind of like makes you stupid,
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: makes you slow, but you still don't see a lot
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: of people who are in high performance environments focusing on really,
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 4: really good HEPA air filtration or the air quality in general. Water,
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 4: you could say the same thing for electricity. I know
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: that 49ers, that's a whole.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: Controversial thing there. How do you feel about EMF and
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: 5G and all that stuff?
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: So I'll come around and say I kind of get
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 4: it about peptides where it's like you can't find a
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 4: lot of actual good human studies, but you can show
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 4: lack of adverse events and you can explain what could
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: be going on mechanistically. Very similar with radio frequencies and
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: a lot of the work that WHO has done highlighted,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 4: you can't find a lot. on let's say like cell
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: phone in the pocket and rate of injury or radio
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: frequencies from a Wi-Fi router and things people talk about
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: like brain cancer or whatever. But then if you look
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: at it or think about it mechanistically, if you look
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: at like an animal and it's in rigor mortis, the
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: reason like an animal being rigor mortis is because of
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 4: a calcium influx and a constant state of depolarization in
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: the muscles that occurs from that calcium influx. Very similar
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: to how I was saying like one of the reasons
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: you're sore after a workout is a calcium influx, not
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: lactic acid. Well, if you just like flood the muscles
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: with calcium, they're like just in that state and not
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: any of it gets removed in the case of rigor
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: mortis just because an animal or a human is dead
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 4: at that point. Now, if you look at the, they're
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: called voltage gated ion channels that would allow for ions
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 4: to move in and out of cells and One of
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: the ways that those get open up and triggered to
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: cause a massive influx of calcium is when they are
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: exposed to radio frequency, very similar to what you get
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: from like a wifi router or a cell phone. So
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: we do know that there's a calcium influx into the cell.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 4: We do know that that depolarizes the cell. And if
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: that cell is in tissue, it would cause like a
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: tightening of the cell, almost like, not like you can
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: actually feel the muscles contracting, but you're in just like
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: a mild state of tightness throughout the day. if you're
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: constantly surrounded by high power radio frequencies, such as you
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: would find like cell phones, cell phone towers, Wi-Fi routers,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: et cetera. So mechanistically, am I right next to the
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: Wi-Fi router?
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. I was just pointing, that's the cell
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: phone tower next to the 49ers.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 4: So mechanistically, if this were true, what would be going
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 4: on is that if you are performing and the muscle
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: is tighter when you're performing, you're going to have, and
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 4: this is just, you know, physical training one-on-one, you're going
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 4: to have a higher rate strain or a sprain or
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: a soft tissue injury because of that mild state of
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 4: rigor mortis in the muscle. And then if you look
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: at my routine when I'm on an airplane, for example,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: what's something that can offset the influx of calcium into
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: a cell is magnesium. So I'll take magnesium before and
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: after a flight just to kind of help out with
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: some of the radiation that I'm exposed to on the flight.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 4: But you can't find a single study that would actually say, yeah,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: like there's a link between radio frequency exposure, wifi exposure,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 4: cell phone tower exposure and injury. But that's like, if
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: it were going to happen, that's like how it would
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: happen would be, would be that low level of depolarization,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 4: the cell causing slight constant tightness. And you could probably
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 4: rig up some kind of a super sensitive force meter
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: that could look at the amount of force that a
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 4: muscle is producing and and see if there's just like
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 4: a slight uptick, like a slight peak when you have
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 4: a control group next to a bunch of towers versus
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 4: a control group in a place separate from the towers
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: and just see if there's like a mild peak of
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 4: depolarization when you're next to the towers. That would like
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 4: be your first clue, but I don't think anybody's actually.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 5: Buddy, you need to get your journalistic hat on and
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 5: get out to that substation and start walking around.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: Nick Bosa coming, he's got a cash drain a couple
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: weeks ago and I'm like, there it is again. Yeah,
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: I think somebody else had like a, was it Evans
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: had a hammy? You're like, these guys, man, I'm telling you.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: Every day there's something.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: Else going on out there. Yeah, I mean, there's a
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: few ways. I mean, you could look at it that way.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 4: You could try just some– again, it's so difficult because
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 4: these aren't like controlled clinical studies. But you could try
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 4: something like a magnesium or a transdermal magnesium protocol on
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 4: the players and see if there was a reduced rate
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 4: of injuries or any reports of just like just feeling
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: better or sleeping better in general. Yeah.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: It's a tricky one.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: The billionaires and their scientists can put it to bed
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: on you. How much of your influence is there like
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: some sort of liability that people try to pin on you?
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: Because you have this wealth of knowledge. You are an
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: influencer in some sense from a biohacking standpoint.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like going out and saying, Hey, this is bad. Can,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: do you think there's like, have people told you, Hey,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: there's liability if you go out and try to give.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: There's not.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 4: So, so, so for me, because I'm not a licensed
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 4: medical professional, I actually have a lot, a lot more
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 4: lenience in terms of what I can say. Cause I'm
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 4: a prescribing medical advice. I'll tell people, Hey, this might
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 4: be good for you. I'd try this if I were you,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 4: but I don't do that. And then also, um, scope
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: of practice, right? So for example, I'm a nutritionist, not
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 4: a dietitian. I can't put people on a certain diet
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: to manage some type of like illness or condition, but
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 4: I can make general like macronutrient recommendations for technically I'm
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: a sports nutritionist. I can make macronutrient recommendations for athletes,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 4: for example. Um, and then I was just in Washington,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: DC at this event called pet med. And the panel
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 4: that I was on was about, you know, how you
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 4: balance like influencer marketing and public perception of what is
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 4: or is not good for them based on what that
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 4: influencer is saying, especially because of the fact that many
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: influencers are like in somebody's pocket now. And that comes
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: down to just like transparency. Like I'm technically supposed to say,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 4: and you'll notice, like, if you like look at my
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: Instagram or whatever, If it's an ad or if I'm
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: even just talking about something that I have an affiliate
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: link for, for example, meaning if someone clicks on that
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 4: link or uses my code, I get kickback. I actually
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 4: say that. There's transparency in terms of disclosure. And that's
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: been a law. I forget if it was an FDA
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: or FTC law since 2023. You have to actually have
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 4: transparency in terms of disclosure of any affiliate relationships. And
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: not a lot of people even pay attention to that rule.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: But Yeah, if I were not to disclose affiliate relationships
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: and then make prescriptive medical advice, I could get in trouble.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's been some point in the past 20
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: years where I've done that. Absolutely. But I'm pretty careful.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 6: You did.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: I did see you come to my album. I was
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: talking to Jared about it, our producer back there, a chair. Yeah,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: promoting the chair.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, the Anthros?
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: Is that all what it's cracked up to be? Because
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: I clicked the link when I saw, you know, I
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, this chair. Is this a banger chair?
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: Ben's like, I've always been a guy that wants to
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: talk about, you should be walking, you should take very
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: little time sitting down during the day because it is
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: the thing that hurts us the most. But until I
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: found this chair. Until? This chair.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 4: One day.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 6: One day.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: It's a cool chair. Because I clicked this link and
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 4: Like, bro, $ 2, 200 for a chair?
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 4: Um, it's got all sorts of adjustable. It's the one
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: building a new podcast studio right now. Those are my
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: chairs in the studio. Um, it's, it's got like back support,
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: lumbar support, height adjustment, wobble adjustment, and then armrest adjustments.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: So you can just like dial in your ergonomics as
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: precisely as possible. And I don't even really like to
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 4: sit in a chair that much. Like I have the
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 4: walking treadmill and a standing desk and that's like 80%
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 4: of the time for me. But the rest of the time,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 4: like that is the actual chair.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 1: But if you were going to sit, this is actually
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: the chair.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's the chair. I think they originally built it
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: for gamers. It's a good chair though.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: And the minute I saw your ad for that, it's
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: like been all over my shit. Every single time there's
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: an ad that pops up, it's somebody else talking about
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: this damn chair. Does it hit you with the PMF stuff? Oh,
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: that'd be sick. Just get one of them.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: If it grabs you. You probably could. You probably could.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: You were a guy that, I talked to you about
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: the PMF because I got the mat last year for Christmas.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: And you're like, yeah, it wasn't really for me. I
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: have one. Like, I mean, I'm sure you feel this way.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: You probably felt this way too.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 5: Like all the things you do training wise and recovery wise.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 5: it's hard for me to say what works for me
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 5: and what doesn't.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: Because you would talk about the mat and the mat
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, we talk about like waking up
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: and doing the stretching and everything else. Like it's so
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: much like time optimization to where, okay, am I going
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: to choose to go 15 minutes and lay on this mat?
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 5: Or am I going to use that for in the morning?
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 5: If I only give myself an hour and 15 minutes
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 5: in the morning before the kids wake up, where am
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 5: I going to put my time towards? To me, the
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 5: mat would just fall off on the back end to
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  Speaker 5: where I can't say it did enough for me to
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 5: where I'm going to buy in and say people need
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 5: to be landed.
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  Speaker 4: That's where stacking comes in for me. Because you're right.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 4: You can't really do, if you have a real life,
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 4: a proper washout study where you're like, I'm going to
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: start taking krill oil instead of fish oil. You stop
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 4: everything else and you do like a two-week washout of
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 4: the fish oil. Yeah. do the krill oil for four weeks. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Even I don't, I don't do that. I just don't
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  Speaker 4: have the time. And there's so many things that I
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 4: like to do to feel good that I'm not going
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: to do a washout every single time I want to
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 4: introduce something, but I stack a ton. I mean, like
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  Speaker 4: I've got a PMF red light mat and hypervolt gun
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  Speaker 4: in front of the TV, up in the TV room
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  Speaker 4: and at my desk where I have lunch at in
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 4: the studio, inside the main house. I have like a
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 4: mitochondrial helmet. I got PMF lined up the back of
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 4: the chair. I got this little like knee traction device
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: and I've got like a little ball for on my foot.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: And then my office is super tricked out. There's like
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 4: three red light panels, two different helmets, carbon dioxide inhalation therapy,
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 4: which is basically for like expanding the arteries, like a
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: seasonal affective disorder box, PMF mat. And so the whole
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: day that I'm working, I can be stuck in my
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  Speaker 4: office for eight hours. It's very, very seldom. That I'm
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 4: just like laying on some mat looking up into the sky,
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 4: you know, doing the therapy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta have like three, four things at one
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  Speaker 1: time for it to make sense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, even like when I travel. Like this morning, I
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 4: was walking around my hotel room. I've got like a
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 4: belt on that's doing vibration and red light and spinal traction.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 4: I was wearing a red light cap. And then I've
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 4: got like this little travel like slap on PMF device.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm also just like doing my morning stretching, listening
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  Speaker 4: to some stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm very productive when I'm hacking.
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  Speaker 1: Are you stretching every day?
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How many minutes a day are we stretching?
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  Speaker 4: 15 to 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It's a long-ass time, dude.
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  Speaker 7: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's a long-ass time to stretch.
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  Speaker 4: It is not just stretching. Goggins is two hours. Yeah,
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 4: Goggins is a long time. Hey, there's doctors, there's lawyers.
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  Speaker 4: So when I say stretching, that includes, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Percussive gun, foam roller, like the little vibrating balls, any
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 4: stretching strap devices, PVC pipe. So I've got like seven
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 4: or eight different tools. I mean, all the way down
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 4: to where I just put out a mobility video on
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 4: YouTube where I'm showing like how you stack a lot
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 4: of this stuff for stretching. But I have like a
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 4: foam device that like rolls over the back and there's
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 4: an acupressure mat on top of that and a PMF
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: mat on top of that. And then a whole PVC
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 4: pipe and kind of like ease myself over it. And
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 4: combine like four different modalities at once. When you have
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: enough toys to kind of, it's kind of like if
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 4: you walk into a stack gym, you could easily get
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 4: like a 90 minute workout in and feel like it's
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: a lot shorter than if you're in just like crappy
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 4: little hotel gym with an Olympic trainer and a few dumbbells.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of it for me is
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 4: just like variety and a lot of cool tools that
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 4: you can use on different areas of the body. And
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 4: then just knowing how to use them. You know, there
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: was a time when I probably read cover to cover.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 4: Kelly Starrett's Becoming a Supple Leopard, like three times and
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 4: just learn every single move you could do and every
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 4: single deep tissue area you could target. And the fact
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: that a lot of times when you have tennis elbow,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 4: it's like an adhesion in the triceps. If you work
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 4: that area, then all of a sudden the medial epicondylitis
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 4: feels better or, you know, similar for like the Terry's minor,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: in fact, the armpit all of a sudden like rotates
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: to the brachialis. And then you just start to figure
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: out all these points you can hit on your body. Um,
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: so yeah, I, I literally just like a lot myself
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 4: 15 to 20 minutes every morning, whether I'm traveling or
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: at home and it's foam rolling and stretching. So by
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: the time the week's over, you know, I have a
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 4: mass like 140 minutes of just like taking care of
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 4: the body.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed that when you, the more you
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: learn about like how the body works, the more it
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: seems like things hurt. Do you ever get that feeling?
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: Like having a, like when you're, when you're younger, like
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: you roll, you like roll your ankle and like, ah,
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: my ankle hurts. But then you learn that like, oh,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: maybe your hip was tight. So that's why. And then
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: your knee doesn't have as much flexion. So that's why
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: your ankle hurts. And then it becomes like so many
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: steps and so many things. Like if you're playing a sport,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: you're like, I have to unlock and activate all these
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: things before. And like a year ago, before you learned
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  Speaker 1: any of this shit, you're like, I'm just going to
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: go out, hit the cold tub for three minutes, stretch
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  Speaker 1: real fast, get out. That'd be like the separation that
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: you were talking about.
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  Speaker 4: It's a curse of information.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: It's like once you like, because for me it was,
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not superstitious, I'm somewhat stitious in the sense that like,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: If I knew something worked for me, great. But then
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 1: somebody would give me information like, oh, if you like
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: chop the insides of the thigh, it activates this and
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 1: you have to, you have the rubbing in the back.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: You're activating your CNS the whole time. And you're like,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: all right. So you would activate those things, then do
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: the core. Then you'd roll out and hit here and
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: you do the thumb thing back. You'd like it. stretch
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: a certain way, but it couldn't be static stretching. It
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: had to be some sort of mobility stretching because you're
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: about to do athletic movement. And then it's like, I'm
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: starting to realize I'm spending two hours before this game
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: doing so much shit. You walk into the training room
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: and they're like, you're not doing the stuff. And he's like, yeah,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: because I'm on a different wavelength than you right now.
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  Speaker 4: You don't even fucking know where I'm at, bro.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: You just want me to put ice and do contrasts
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: and everything else. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So the way I think about this, I get exactly
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: what you're saying. And you've got like the GOAT method
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 4: and you have like Ben Patrick, you know, knees over toes,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 4: athletic training group. You're doing like two. So that's good shit.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 4: And you got like Starrett. And so you could have
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 4: all these different areas that you just need to target 24-7.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 4: The way I look at it is I always, I
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: don't know about you guys, I always have an area
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 4: that needs more TLC than like right now after a
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 4: week in the mountains hunting, it's basically... Traps, my big toe,
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 4: my left knee, like, like those three areas are just
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 4: basically beat up right now. So I will have like
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 4: a phase where like most of my morning stretching protocol
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 4: is going to be focused on like plantar flexion and
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 4: mobility in the big toe, deep tissue work and PMF
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 4: on the left knee and a bunch of trap work.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: And probably there's like a little bit of hip stuff
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 4: because of the strap on the pack. And then, you know,
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 4: months from now, it might be a little bit of
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 4: brachialis because I'll be getting back into tennis. Right. And
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 4: so a lot of it will be shoulder work and
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 4: rotator cuff work. So I think knowing all the recipes
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 4: and gradually learning them as you live through your athletic
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 4: and post-athletic life is a good idea. But then you
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 4: have to have that understanding of just not being stupid
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 4: and thinking, oh, so I need to do all this
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 4: stuff all the time. Like you don't wake up in
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 4: the morning, eat every single food and condiment in your
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 4: refrigerator and take every supplement in your pantry every day
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 4: just because it's there. So like you choose different foods,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 4: different macros, different ingredients, different recipes for different times. And
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 4: so the way I look at it is like, okay,
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 4: so if the body is whatever, just like, a piece
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: of meat, like what am I doing with it today
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 4: based on the actual recipe that I want to create
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 4: and what the meat sack actually needs at this time?
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: What does the meat sack need? See, I'll be breathing
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: in the bad air.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 5: And I was just like, let me just pop an anti-inflammatory.
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: I'll take care of some of these injuries I got
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: going on. We'll just go.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 4: Work through it.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: See, I'm like the opposite. I'm like, okay, no anti-inflammatory
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: for me. I'm not going to take Advil or Tylenol,
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: none of that stuff. But then I feel like shit sometimes.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 11: In my face.
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to go out natural with this red
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: light device.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I'm a red light crotch guy. Morning, morning, night.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: I'll pop that thing right there.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: I actually am kind of surprised that nobody has yet
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 4: developed like, like some kind of an ancillary device, like,
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: like a thigh attachment for all the people who are doing.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: It's like, it's like agnostic to the red light device,
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 4: but it's just like the, It's like the Thyser Sizer,
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 4: except it's there just to hold your red light panel
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: in place.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: You could be that guy. You could make that attachment,
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: no problem. Yeah, it's called integrated marketing. Integrated marketing.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 4: I'll send you the check.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, please do. You got to have your boys build that.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: What else we got, boys? Any questions in the back
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: taking place? I'm just thinking of all the things out
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: there that you can do.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, Sherman. All the things.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: I have just a short science question that I wanted
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 2: to pick your brain on. Taylor had been talking about
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: red light therapy maybe a month ago. I had gone
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: to a vertical farm back in Texas where they were
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: using the lights to basically signal in the plants, hey,
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: we're harvesting, or hey, you need to produce more, or hey,
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: we're about to water you, and these plants are reacting
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: to different uh temperature of light different colors of light
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: do you is it the same with the human body
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: that like i heard you hear or i heard you
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: say blue and red light yeah other lights yeah yeah.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like kind of similar when they play
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 4: the play the plants mozart to use sound to shift
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 4: them into a certain state which is actually interesting like
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 4: there's this whole we didn't talk about this whole field
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: of like light sound therapy uh Another term for now
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 4: is called cyberdelic therapy, where you can use different lights
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 4: and sounds to shift the body into a psychedelic state,
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: very similar to what you'd get from like magic mushrooms
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 4: or LSD. And so there's this device, these devices, like
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 4: there's one called a neurovisor, there's one called Roxiva, and
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 4: you lay underneath these lights and they use flashes to
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 4: actually shift the brainwave into a certain state. Typically it's
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 4: tied to like a vibration mat underneath the body. And
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: sound that you're listening to. And you can get into
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 4: a deeper psychedelic state with these technologies than you can
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 4: in many cases with drugs. Just using electricity to shift
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 4: the body. That's not what they're doing to the plants though.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: Technical magic mushroom trip. So kind of like I was
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 4: saying earlier how if you look at some of this
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: newer research on red light and there's like certain... from the,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 4: from the 620 to the 850 nanometer range, we used
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 4: to think it all just like stimulates the mitochondria and
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: speeds up the production of ATP, but it's actually certain
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 4: forms that are like slowing it down and certain forms
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 4: that are speeding it up. And then if you look
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 4: at that whole spectrum of light, you've got like the
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 4: blue light spectrum, right? Which is, is basically the super
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 4: short wavelengths that are the wakey wakey wavelengths that can
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 4: know keep melatonin from attaching to a receptor reduce grogginess
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 4: in the morning keeps you up at night if you
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 4: were to look at them at night to uh green
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 4: wavelengths which are now being looked at for things like
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 4: migraines and headaches and like on my red light bed
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 4: at home i can like i have a few buttons
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 4: i can push where i can take all the red
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 4: all the blue all the other colors out of the
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 4: bed except green and you can lay in there if
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 4: you have a headache and do just green light therapy
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 4: which is also supposed to be a little bit better
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 4: for the retina for the eyes Um, and then you've
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 4: got your entire red light spectrum, right? Like, so you
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 4: have your infrared, uh, you're near your mid and your far,
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 4: and then your actual visible red light spectrum. And all
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 4: of them are doing different things. Like even if you,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 4: if you buy these new, like red light face masks
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 4: that are for the skin, like some penetrate more deeply,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 4: some are designed just to stimulate collagen and elastin. Some
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 4: are designed to reduce inflammation, some to increase blood flow,
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 4: but that's just based on what all the different spectrums
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 4: of light. can do for you, which is interesting because
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: there's this new book and I think it's really good.
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 4: It's written by Rowan Jacobson. It's called In Defense of Sunlight.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 4: And it goes way beyond just lights. Like here's all
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 4: the things that sun can do for the body, even
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 4: down to the point of like activating bacteria on your
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 4: skin in certain ways that not only increase your vitamin
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 4: D production, but help with sleep parameters and help with
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: neurotransmitter synthesis. And so if you think that there's this
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 4: giant light in the sky, putting out dozens and dozens
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 4: of different wavelength spectrums and that we, depending on your belief,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 4: were created or evolved on this earth to interact with
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 4: that light in the sky, it makes pretty good sense
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 4: that all these wavelengths not only interact with plants in
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 4: cool ways, but interact with us.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: In certain ways. That answer your question, Sherm? There you go, Sherm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that book. It's a good book.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: Fascinating answer.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: What, like, obviously you've traveled around to a bunch of
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: different places and I know Japan, they were recently going
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 3: viral because they have the most people over 100 years
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: old and so like their longevity to me it's like
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: you look at japan and it's like they got the
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: the formula for it but what's a place that you've
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 3: traveled to you saw how they lived and you're like
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 3: man this is this is what people in america are missing.
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 4: Chopsticks natto kimono it's keys keys to longevity chopstick chops
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 4: uh uh a play a place that actually seems to
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 4: have things pretty dialed in when it Um, you know,
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 4: a lot of people say like, you know, the Mediterranean
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 4: diet and the Italian people and Sardinia, I spent some
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 4: time in Sardinia and it was all just, it seemed
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 4: like Disneyland. It was almost like Olive Garden, you know,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 4: with unlimited breadsticks and, you know, iceberg lettuce drenched in
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 4: seed oil. And then if you go out into the
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 4: actual mountains where there's like old people who are actually
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 4: getting up in the morning and doing yard work and
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 4: hiking Nigerian dwarf goats up the side of a mountain
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 4: to get milk and coming back and they're like drinking
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 4: wine at night and with a bunch of people and
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 4: have these like very like, like, um, extroverted social lifestyles,
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 4: but also like not a lot of, of, um, not
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 4: a lot of a focus on, on like retirement on
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of the things that we're like pushing for
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 4: in Western society. But instead they're just like getting up,
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 4: living life, being physically active, being outdoors, being with people.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 4: not asking themselves, you know, how many glasses of wine
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 4: do I need to drink before my telomeres begin to
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 4: like shorten excessively, but just like, you know, drinking with
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 4: people and having a couple of glasses and just like
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 4: having fun and having a high amount of love and
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 4: relationships in their life. I mean, you know, that's an
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 4: example of a culture that, that seems to have a
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 4: pretty dialed in. Um, I would say most of the
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 4: cultures I've been in where people seem to have a
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 4: good mix of happiness and longevity and absence of severe disease, um,
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 4: There's a big social component. I mean, that's like Harvard's
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 4: longest running study on longevity. It was like 80 years long.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 4: They found that when you isolate for all confounding variables,
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 4: it's like the amount of love and relationships in your
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 4: life and even alcohol. I know it's kind of like
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 4: a hot topic now, but like for people who say
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 4: that alcohol is a poison or alcohol is a toxin,
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 4: like they're right. It is. I mean, so, so is,
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 4: sourdough bread. So are most plants that you consume based
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 4: on what I was talking about earlier with the carnivore
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 4: diet and plants not having their own defense mechanisms. So
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 4: they have to like attack you from the inside out
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 4: after you eat them.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: But way back in the day.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 4: I interviewed this author, Joe Robinson wrote this book called
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 4: eat on the wild side. And she even described how kale,
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 4: when you rip it up before you eat it, if
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 4: you let it sit for a little while, the antioxidants
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 4: become more concentrated because the kale thinks it's being eaten
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 4: by a wild animal. And it's releasing more of these
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 4: plant defense mechanisms. And the idea is that in moderation,
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 4: like subjecting yourself to these mild amounts of stress throughout
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 4: the day, like whether it be like kale or bread
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 4: or alcohol or whatever, like you're causing your body to
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: create more of its own endogenous antioxidants. Like you're training
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 4: cellular resilience. So when you get in the sauna, yeah,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 4: you'd be dead if you stayed in there for two
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 4: and a half hours, or at least you'd be severely
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 4: electrolyte depleted. But by giving yourself a brief bout of stress,
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 4: during which if you measure it, like your blood glucose spikes,
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 4: your heart rate variability drops, like a bunch of stuff
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 4: that looks kind of shitty happens in the sauna. But
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: then the long-term effects of that is increased heat and
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 4: increased stress resilience, rinse, wash, repeat for the cold, for
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 4: lifting heavy stuff, for breathing hard, for eating plants that
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 4: have the toxins in them. So even alcohol, when you
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 4: have a glass of wine, like your body makes things
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 4: like glutathione peroxidase and superoxide dismutase and all these endogenous
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 4: antioxidants that actually help you to quell free radicals and
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 4: help you to fight inflammation better. But then if you
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 4: look at somebody who says that alcohol is bad for you,
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 4: they're not differentiating between seven drinks a week being like
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 4: a bender on a Saturday night with seven servings of
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 4: alcohol versus like a glass of organic biodynamic wine each
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 4: night with your family at the dinner table. So back
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 4: to like the blue zones, the centenarians, you know, I
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 4: know there's a lot of controversy around like, was the
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 4: birth record data falsified? And I know there's a little
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 4: bit of like a vegan bent by the author, you know,
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 4: selectively choosing like plant-based communities primarily for that. You do
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 4: see a high amount of mild exposure to natural hormetic
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 4: stressors spread throughout the day, combined with being around people
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 4: and love and relationships to a great extent. So I
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 4: think like if you're going to nail the health game,
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 4: those are the main things to do. Like Don't just lift.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 4: Don't just do sauna. Don't just do cold. Don't just
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 4: eat plants. Just like spread out hormetic stress throughout the
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 4: day and then be with people as much as you
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 4: possibly can when it comes to having things like dinner
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 4: parties or social events or times when you're not just
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 4: like in monk mode taking care of yourself.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: I like that. Social and alcohol, man. That's how you
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: fix it all. JP, what was the question you had
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: last week when we were talking about creatine? Oh, yeah.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 3: Just how I feel like when creatine first came on
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: the scene, you know, it was Right around, Will and
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 3: I are talking like the time that we're like learning
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 3: how to weight lift and everyone's like, oh, we're doing creatine.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: You kind of just get jacked and buff and that's
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 3: all we knew about it.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 4: Our parents thought it was a steroid.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 3: And now you fast forward and it's like all these things,
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: how beneficial it is for your brain and the mind.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Speak to that at all. Yeah.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It is kind of cool because creatine, you know, CP,
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 4: creatine phosphate, you know, I've talked about ATP a few
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 4: times today. And when you break down ATP and you
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 4: have ADP left over, you got to like re-phosphorylate ADP
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 4: and creatine phosphate, like donates the phosphate group for that
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 4: to happen, right? So you're replenishing your ATP levels more quickly.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 4: But if you look at replenishment of ATP levels, or
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 4: in some cases, like a brief sprint, like 10 seconds
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: or less, you're not even like producing or reproducing more ATP.
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 4: You're just like burning that creatine phosphate right off the bat.
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: Like You go through levels when you're exercising where you're
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 4: just burning creatine phosphate. Then you move on to ATP
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: and glucose and glycolysis and eventually fats. But for the
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 4: longest time, it was like the strength power molecule specifically
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 4: for activities where you just got to churn out an
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 4: extra rep or do a very quick sprint of 10
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 4: seconds or less. And then based on the mechanism of
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 4: action of it being able to replenish ATP and that's
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 4: when it started getting looked into as a potential aid
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 4: for combating the effects of sleep deprivation, which is where
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 4: a lot of the cognitive benefits have been shown to
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 4: take place. It's not in the average person on the
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 4: average day, well slept, taking 10 to 20 grams, slightly
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 4: higher amount of creatine than the normally recommended five grams
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 4: would benefit from, but the person who's actually sleep deprived,
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 4: the person who's actually beat up. And then, you know,
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 4: now it's being looked at for everything from like, hair health, cognition,
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 4: sleep deprivation piece, still the strength and power piece, injuries.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 4: Considering how cheap and safe and widely available it is
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 4: and how maybe if you're kidney compromised, it'd be one
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 4: to rethink just because of how it gets broken down
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 4: into creatinine. It's got a lot going for it and
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 4: it's not expensive. The only thing you have to worry about,
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, are the recent consumer reports that creatine
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 4: itself isn't a problem. But, you know, kind of like nicotine,
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 4: like what it's in might be the problem. Like if
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 4: it's got metals or if it wasn't stored properly in
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 4: a facility or has extra things added to it, et cetera.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 4: But for the most part, yeah, I've been a five
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 4: gram a day or for a long time. And on
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 4: days where I need a little bit more of a
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 4: mental push, 10 to 20. And just basic, like there's
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 4: like creatine HCL and blah, like just pure plain Jane
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 4: creatine monohydrate. Like if you can get the crea pure,
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: crea pure is like they're, um, CreaPure is, is basically
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 4: a version of creatine that sold the supplement manufacturers who
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 4: then make their supplement. Like Thorne uses CreaPure, uh, you know, or, um,
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 4: or like for curcumin used Mariva. That's just a form
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 4: of curcumin. KSM 66 is a form of ashwagandha. So
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 4: if you look at your supplement label and you see
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 4: like all those weird names, those are just people who
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 4: have like patented or own the rights to that form
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 4: of the molecule, then selling it to the supplement company
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 4: who puts it in the supplement. And if they're paying
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 4: for it, they're going to put it on the label
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 4: because that's considered to be like a superior form. And
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 4: for creatine, it's CreaPure. That's the one that's kind of
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 4: like known to be the more pure version.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: The number one version. I love it, man. You want
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 1: to hit with the BLQ?
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 6: Can I ask one question real quick?
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jack.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 6: I've been type 1 diabetic for 13 years and curious
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 6: if you've done or seen any of the research and
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 6: the studies coming out with the islet cell transplants that
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 6: are going on that are making people insulin independent now.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting that the islet cells, you know, basically,
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 4: if you look at the pancreatic beta cells and degradation
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 4: of those, either from an autoimmune disorder or because of
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 4: like a genetic type one diabetic issue, if those cells
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 4: aren't working properly, it's not that you aren't sensitive to
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 4: insulin because you've been eating sugar your whole life. It's
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 4: like your body's just not producing the actual insulin. So
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 4: if you can get some kind of like an islet
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 4: cell regeneration... It would fix that issue. Now, there's an
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 4: interesting company called Virta Health, and they've actually done some
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 4: studies on like very, very low carb ketogenic diets, which
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 4: for the reasons I was describing earlier, you do have
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 4: to be careful with. But for medical management, there appears
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 4: to be something to it because they see pancreatic beta
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 4: cell regeneration in people who just like avoid glucose for
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 4: a long enough period of time. So I think there's
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 4: something to it. I mean, as far as like, transplantation
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 4: or other methods to, to regenerate. Um, you know, I, I,
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 4: I would imagine there's probably something also to the whole
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 4: like stem cell field and using stem cells directly targeted
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 4: at organs is something that's being done a lot more now,
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 4: but I definitely think there's something to it.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 6: I've just, I've seen, it seems really difficult right now.
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 6: I've looked into a bunch of studies to get on
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 6: a list to see if it's even a potential for myself,
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 6: but I've seen, I follow this woman on Instagram who's
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 6: now like 110 days plus insulin free. Which is incredible.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 4: It's pretty impressive. Yeah.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 6: I never thought that there would be a cure in
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 6: my lifetime. And especially if you want to go down
• 2:42:49
  Speaker 6: the conspiracy rabbit hole with the FDA and how much
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 6: money is charted through so much of this stuff, if
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 6: they even want to find the cure, obviously I'm not
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 6: going to go down that, but yeah, I just, it
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 6: seems like the accessibility is not there either for especially
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 6: a lot of Americans who don't have the financial means
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 6: to pay for this. Cause it's not, they're going through
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 6: clinical trials, I believe, but. yeah, I just don't know
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 6: if it's like a waste of time.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's a waste of time. I think
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 4: in the, in the, in the absence of being able
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 4: to get access to it affordably or accessibly, like looking
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 4: at some of the protocols that Virta health is doing
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 4: as far as like carb restriction and even the use
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 4: of exogenous ketones, which are pretty powerful for that. That's
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 4: one thing to look into. And then, um, yeah, it
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 4: is kind of interesting though. Like, like the, uh, the
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 4: alternative narrative or conspiracy theory piece of it. It's like,
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 4: A lot of people talk about peptides now. I mean, what,
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 4: what has probably been one of the most profitable peptides
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 4: of all time, you know, besides GLP-1 is insulin, right? Yeah.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 4: So that's, you know, peptides aren't anything new. It's just like,
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 4: we've got a whole bunch of new urges. Right.
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. It's a private, they own the, the formula for insulin.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah, it's pretty crazy.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 5: We have a Bud Light question for you. Cause you
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 5: know how people would do anything. for an ice cold
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 5: Bud Light.
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 4: You know me.
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: What would Ben Greenfield do anything for? So we've had
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 1: people say go to space.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 4: Wait, what would I do anything for for a cold
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 4: Bud Light?
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 1: No, what would you do just anything for for that thing?
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 1: Because we already know blanket statement. People would do anything for.
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 4: A Bud Light.
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 1: So that's off the table. Can't say family. We've had
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 1: people say they'd love a nice steak dinner. We've had
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: people say they'd love to go back in time and
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 1: see the dinosaurs. Devante Adams said go to space, correct?
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 5: Steve Rinella said he'd do anything like before he's done,
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 5: he's going to do anything to create this documentary.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: On a hunt that he had. That he would not
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 1: speak on it, but told us about after. Yeah. Pretty awesome.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 4: Yep. Yep. Man. All right. So I'm going to sound
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 4: pretty cheap and shallow here, but on Father's Day and
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 4: on my birthday- I get what's basically just like my
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 4: last meal. It'll be like my death row meal for sure.
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 4: God forbid that ever happens. And it's two things. Number one,
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 4: it's this massive bone-in French cut ribeye, grass-fed grass finish,
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 4: of course, from a farm in Missouri, U.S. Wellness Meats.
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 4: Shut up, Missouri. My wife does reverse sear on it.
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 4: It's probably about a, I would say probably about a 24-ouncer.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 4: And it's just melt in your mouth. Incredible. And then
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 4: her and my sons roll up their sleeves and they
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 4: make me this amazing, like walnut carrot, like colostrum cream cheese, frosting, uh,
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 4: carrot cake. That's also just like to die for. And
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 4: that's the one that I just like cancer. If it's
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 4: in the fridge, that's just what I'm eating for breakfast,
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 4: lunch and dinner. So I w I would say that, uh,
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 4: that steak and carrot cake dinner, Just like right there,
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 4: fresh made, on the table right in front of me.
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people standing between me and that
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 4: carrot cake that would have to be very careful with
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 4: their lives.
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 1: Hell yes. It's a big group. You get it twice
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 1: a year?
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 4: I get that meal twice a year.
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 1: When's your birthday?
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, December 20th.
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a good space.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 4: It's coming up.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. What's a go-to fast food meal? What's a
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 1: go-to fast food spot you hit?
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 4: Man, you know, I don't do a whole lot of
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 4: fast food.
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 9: It's not because I haven't identified fast food that is...
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 9: It's not that I've not identified healthy fast food because
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 9: I know there's healthy fast food out there like, you.
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 4: Know, whatever, like Qdoba or what's the other chicken one? Chipotle? Yeah, Chipotle.
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 4: It's just very, very rare that I go out to
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 4: eat anymore because I'm out in the sticks in the
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 4: middle of nowhere. I live in a little town of
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 4: 125 people out in Idaho. There's no gas station. There's
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 4: no grocery store. And there's a few little restaurants in
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 4: a nearby town in Moscow, Idaho. But I don't even
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 4: get out to restaurants that much. And then when I travel,
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 4: I have a rotisserie chicken and some yogurt and some
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 4: dark chocolate and blueberries back in my mini cooler in
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 4: the hotel room. And I'm not even stopping much to
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 4: eat fast food. I'm trying to think of the last
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 4: time that I even went to a restaurant. that would
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 4: be considered fast food. Because whatever, last night when I
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 4: got in, I Uber-ed some true food kitchen to my
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 4: hotel room, but that doesn't really count as fast food.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, truth, but I'll tell you what,
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 1: they got the Cisco cars outside.
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 4: You're talking like traditional McDonald's, BK, Taco.
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 1: Bell- Is there one that you was on heavy back
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 1: in the day that you're like.
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 4: I gotta get this one, I gotta let this go?
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 4: Every single day, like on the way to tennis practice,
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 4: I would get a Big Mac, Super Size, Dr. Pepper, fries.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 4: That was pretty much the go-to, like probably like five
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 4: or six days a week. And then Butterfinger, Dairy Queen, Blizzard.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Blizzard.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: Don't mess around.
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but not a whole lot of that these days.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 1: Have you had Panda Express?
• 2:48:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have had Panda Express. That shit hits, right?
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 4: It's been a little while. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 1: I see you. Sure, we get that every once in
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: a while. So you don't ever scratch that itch when
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 1: you're out traveling?
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not that I don't scratch that itch.
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 4: It's that that itch just like isn't there.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: Kind of faded.
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 4: It's like- Yeah.
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 1: What is your vice?
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 4: I get access to such good food. My vice, I
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 4: would say- I would say lately, my wife and I
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 4: have gotten sucked down the nostalgic watching Office reruns on
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 4: YouTube rabbit hole, and I've probably wasted... In the past month,
• 2:48:40
  Speaker 4: somewhere in the range of like six to seven hours
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  Speaker 4: laying in bed with my wife, past our bedtime, watching
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  Speaker 4: The Office.
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  Speaker 1: Just blue light beaming you in the face.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Just like blue light. Actually, the phone's dimmed and we're
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  Speaker 4: still doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's like, I got the red light helmet out.
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  Speaker 1: We're just watching it.
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  Speaker 4: Sleep like a baby. Michael Scott. You know, when you
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 4: said superstitious, I almost said little stitious.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good pull. That's a good pull right there. Devices, man.
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  Speaker 5: What about your boys? I mean, I guess you're not
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  Speaker 5: really around fast food.
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  Speaker 4: You know what? They do. So the agreement with them,
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  Speaker 4: the agreement with them, because I mean, they get all
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 4: sorts of stuff, just like being out and about in
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 4: the town. And I've certainly found their car just full
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 4: of stuff before. But if they decide that they're going
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  Speaker 4: to begin bringing junk food in vast quantities into the house,
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  Speaker 4: and I did find it at one point. I'd been
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  Speaker 4: gone for a while. I walked into my son's room,
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  Speaker 4: and it was just Doritos and Pringles. Not in this
• 2:49:39
  Speaker 4: fucking house. At least 12 different quickly packaged. And I
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 4: walked in, and he was sitting there on the bed.
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 4: And sometimes you say things as a dad that you
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  Speaker 4: think are really smart, and you just wonder afterwards if
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  Speaker 4: you just effed your son up or not. Yes. I
• 2:49:55
  Speaker 4: walked in and I looked at just like his entire
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 4: workspace just covered in junk food. And I looked at
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 4: him just like laying on his bed, dinking around his phone.
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 4: They're 18 years old. And I said, son, I'm fine
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  Speaker 4: if you want to eat all that food and have
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 4: that stuff around here. But the main thing that I'm
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 4: going to need you to do is I'll send you
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 4: the email with our health insurance premiums. And you're paying
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 4: your own health insurance starting next month if your room
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 4: is going to look like this going forward. So I'm
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 4: fine with you eating that, but you're paying for your
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 4: health insurance, not me. And he just said, okay. And
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 4: he cleaned it all up. And I didn't really notice
• 2:50:38
  Speaker 4: it much after that. So I just decided I would
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 4: have him put his money where his mouth is. And
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 4: I have no clue if that was good parenting or not.
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 4: That was the only thing I could think of. No, no,
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  Speaker 4: he's not taking over paying his health insurance premium. So
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 4: he didn't, he.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't clean up. He's being a good 18 year old
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  Speaker 1: and hiding the Snickers.
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  Speaker 4: And they got enough really good food around the house anyways.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we, we got, we got good food. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, between, between like our hunting, what we get
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 4: from farms, we get like a, We're on like a
• 2:51:01
  Speaker 4: fish quarterly and olive oil quarterly and wine quarterly. And
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 4: we get all sorts of.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes you see the bag of Doritos, man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 4: Even Doritos. Like I got those masa chips and the
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 4: Vandy chips. You guys seen these things?
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  Speaker 6: Dude, masa chips fuck.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 4: Like beef tallow fried.
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  Speaker 1: They're unreal.
• 2:51:14
  Speaker 4: They are so good. And then if you put them
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 4: in the oven, like I'll do that sometimes with lunch.
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 4: Just put. just a handful of them for about 15
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 4: minutes in the oven, around 300 degrees, reheat them.
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  Speaker 1: They're incredible. But sometimes you just need to walk in
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 1: the gas station and be like, I'm going to up
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 1: aisle two. Hey, you are 100% right. Because there's like, hey,
• 2:51:31
  Speaker 1: we go hunting and we have all this best food
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 1: and look at this, how good the steak is. And
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 1: it's like, that's awesome. And I'm sure people that have
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: fast food all the time go get that and they're like, oh,
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 1: this is incredible. But if you're so used to that,
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: there's something about a sloppy drive-thru spot that's greasy and disgusting.
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 1: Forget the Mayasaka chips, dude.
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 4: Mayasaka. I probably had four Diet Cokes on the way
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 4: here yesterday. There we go. There it is. All right. Okay. Now,
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 4: if you look at the sweetener, and I'm going to
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 4: blank now. It's the A1s. Acetyl sulfamipotassium or spartamine. One
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 4: of the two. But anyways, so Diet Coke got shoved
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 4: under the bus for being carcinogenic based on the artificial sweetener.
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 6: Hell yeah.
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 4: But this is back to the study thing. If you
• 2:52:07
  Speaker 4: actually look at the studies on Diet Coke, you have
• 2:52:10
  Speaker 4: to have about 77 servings worth per day to actually
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 4: induce that carcinogenic risk.
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Sevens.
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 4: And there's one other study that showed that the type
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 4: of sweetener that they use in it seemed to induce
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 4: anxiety in the offspring of mice who were fed that
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 4: sweetener to the human equivalent of about three Diet Cokes
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 4: a day. There was like some kind of like a
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 4: weird epigenetic triggering of anxiety in the offspring, which to
• 2:52:35
  Speaker 4: me is a little more concerning because that's a lot fewer,
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 4: but still. Like it's rare that I would be having
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 4: three Diet Cokes a day regularly, day after day. But
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 4: for some reason when I travel, something about the taste
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 4: and the carbonation, the flavor of Diet Coke.
• 2:52:46
  Speaker 1: Also, what's a mouse look like with anxiety? You know?
• 2:52:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. How can you look at a mouse
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 1: and go, yeah, he's dealing with something.
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 4: Quivering whiskers. It's climbing up the side of the cage.
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 1: Heart rate spikes or something like that. Diet Coke, man.
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 1: He's going to get back and be like, Dad, you've
• 2:53:03
  Speaker 1: been pounding some Diet Coke. Yeah. He'll walk in and
• 2:53:06
  Speaker 1: be like, looks like you're paying the premium for these
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 1: Diet Cokes. He's going to be like, I already do. Yeah, man. Ben,
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 1: this has been awesome, man. Yeah, we really do appreciate
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 1: you coming on.
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man.
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 4: This is great. Yeah.
• 2:53:17
  Speaker 1: Fired up for it.
• 2:53:18
  Speaker 4: I'm happy we connected. Hey, look at that.
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 1: There's your mouse.
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 4: The little anxious mouse.
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 1: Poor little guy can't even sleep at night. Oh, boys,
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