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Revenant | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 58 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teva K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas. And we're here for the final
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  spooky season episode of 2023. And we're here with a ghost
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  story. It's finally happening.
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  We're on brand for the final episode.
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  A my guest is dancing. My guest today is Lola from Lola
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  pops off about K dramas. How are you, Lola?
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  Hello. I'm doing well and super excited
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  to be on this episode talking about spooky things.
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  Yeah. So what happened was, I asked
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  you if you had seen Revenant, because I saw that you had
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  covered it on one of your episodes where it was like a
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  bunch of different shows. I don't know how you do this,
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  'cause you, you cover so many shows.
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  And I had seen, like, Revenant pop up, and I was like, oh, did
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  she ever finish that show? So I asked you and you were
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  like, yeah, I actually did. And I was like, perfect.
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  Are you willing to come on to do this episode sort of last
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  minute, last minute for me, 'cause I usually plan things
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  out. Yeah.
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  No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that so much.
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  And so we're here. We're going to talk about this
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  ghost story on the pod. Let's do it.
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  But Lolo, we're going to have to figure out another way to do
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  this because we're getting too many patrons.
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  This is a marathon for me to say.
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  Curtis, Bale, Cindy, CD, Alana, Grace #1, Lorna Lee, Sammy,
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  Caitlin, Michelle, Tanmi, Adya, Aram, Aaron, and Grace #2.
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  You guys are wonderful. I love chatting with you guys
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  It's a nice little community over there, but man, it is
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  getting to be a mouthful to say all these names in the podcast.
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  All right. So Lola, Are you ready to talk
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  about this ghost story? Yes.
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  I am ready. All right, so give us the Drama
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  Bean synopsis. I went with the Drama Bean
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  synopsis because the MDL synopsis and the Asian Wiki
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  synopsis did not make sense. It was incoherent.
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  Oh yes, Oh yes. The Asian wiki one was horrible.
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  And I used that one when I in my episode and I had to clean it
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  up. I had to clean it up myself
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  because, like, it just didn't make OK precise the point.
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  Here's the synopsis. Here we go.
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  A literature professor whose mother was once killed by a
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  demon recognizes the same demon in a young woman.
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  As she slowly realizes that she's being possessed and
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  horrible things start to happen around her, they team up with a
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  police investigator to free the woman from demonic control.
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  If you just switch demonic to straight up ghost.
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  Ghost. That's it.
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  That's the Yeah. I don't know why they're used.
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  Demons. Yeah.
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  No ghosts. It's Ghost and it's very clear
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  Ghost, clear delineation in the show that it's Ghost.
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  So yes, this aired just this year from June to July 23.
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  I think it was a little early for this too.
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  Early. Yeah.
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  Way too early, yeah. It all should have been in the
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  fall, not in the summer, but whatever.
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  Well, I wonder if it has to do with in South Korea they would
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  leave like in. The dead of summer, like the
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  hottest time of the year. You're supposed to watch scary
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  things or like do scary things to like relieve yourself of the
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  heat. I feel like I've heard that
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  somewhere and all my watching of K drama stuff or like just
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  Korean that television, I'd be the case.
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  I think. I heard that.
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  I think because I realized that I think maybe running man, they
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  would always do like their scariest.
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  Like haunted house episodes in the summer, and I think that's
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  where it comes from. I don't know.
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  I'm just saying that. But it seems early for us, for
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  sure. Yeah, well, it's only 12
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  episodes long and it was directed by Yi Jung Lim, who has
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  directed VIP from 2019 and nothing else.
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  Literally not a single other thing this person has done.
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  That's incredible. I I think that's incredible.
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  But the writer, the writer's famous Keelan, he wrote it and
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  she's written things like all seasons of Kingdom on Netflix
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  which is a zombie K drama. Saguk K drama.
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  It's amazing. Highly recommend it.
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  She's written sign Phantom 3 Days Signal one of the best K
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  dramas of all time GD Sign recently, which I heard mixed
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  things about. But this is a big name for for
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  the right? Name.
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  Yeah, huge signal was enough. Like it.
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  You didn't have to get to anything else.
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  And you're like, you're right, Signal.
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  Got it. You know what else is stacked?
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  This small cast that we have is also pretty well regarded,
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  right? You have Kim Terry as Sanyong,
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  the main lead, and she's been in seven movies, including The
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  Handmaiden. I always love bringing up the
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  Handmaiden. No, of course.
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  As you should. As you should want to.
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  Oh, my goodness, the glorious the handmaiden.
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  Oh yes. Oh my God.
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  We we actually reviewed the Handmaiden on the Patreon feed.
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  Me and Miguel, who's been on the podcast before we watched it.
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  We just laughed our way through that review because I don't
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  know, like if sometimes you talk about a a show or a movie and
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  you, you feel sort of embarrassed and giddy as if you
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  watched it with a. Parent.
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  Yes, yes. Embarrassed.
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  You're like, Oh my gosh, I'm like, blushing.
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  I'm blushing talking about this, but I am an adult.
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  I could talk about this without blushing, but no, you can't.
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  That's exactly how that episode went for the Patreon feed with
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  the Handmaiden. So yeah, another reason to jump
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  on the Patreon feed. But anyway, she's done a bunch
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  of movies. Not that many like just a few.
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  And then not that many like TV shows either, really.
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  She did Mr. Sunshine, which was a big one.
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  Huge. I I say big.
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  It's huge. Which we've covered on the
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  podcast. And 2521 from 2022?
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  Well, yes. We're both like, dancing.
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  Great. I don't be great 2521.
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  Yeah, what a great drama, bro. So both of those have episodes
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  on the feed. You could say that this is a
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  Quintiri podcast a little bit. I love that, yeah.
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  Now she stars opposite Au Chung. Say, who plays Yom Heisang, who
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  is the folklore professor? Not I think the synopsis said he
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  was a literature professor. He's a folklore professor.
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  Folklore. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, he's amazing. He's been in a ton of things, 55
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  movies, 30 plus shows. You might have seen him in the
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  call on Netflix, which is a movie also very on brand for
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  spooky season. I if you like Signal, you will
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  like the call, I guess because it's a very spooky serial killer
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  version. Well, not that Signal doesn't
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  have serial killers. But yes, watch the call.
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  And then his his shows, like you've seen him in so many
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  things. But here are some of the movie,
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  the shows that I have here in my notes I have I Miss you, which
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  was traumatizing. Marry him if you dare.
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  One of the most terrible K dramas I've ever seen.
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  Missing 9. I don't know if you've watched
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  this, this one from 2017. No, I didn't.
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  OK, so I skipped it. I remember watching it as it was
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  airing. And the problem was it was like
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  a lost scenario. They were trapped on an island
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  after a plane crash and I was like, oh, this is going to be
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  really good. They had like a bunch of
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  intrigue and then just like the show lost, it just crashed and
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  burned like it was like. Bad.
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  It was like the actual plane. It was just a bad show.
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  And then. But he rebounded, right?
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  Like he's had really good projects in recent years.
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  When the Camellia blooms from 2019, which I really appreciate
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  that show, we covered it on the podcast Hot Stove League, which
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  I've heard endless good things about that show.
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  It's OK to not be OK, which he was tremendous in that show.
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  Doesn't matter like how you necessarily feel about the show.
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  He was amazing in that show. And then Little women from last
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  year, Sweet Home is coming up, Sweet Home two and three.
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  He's in the second and third season, So Sweet Home on
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  Netflix, which we've covered season one of Sweet Home just a
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  few episodes back if you want to listen to it.
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  So how do you feel about these two people?
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  And then Jung say and Kitty. I'm a huge key.
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  Kim, Teddy, Stan. I like to say I'm a Stan.
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  I write for her. I I think when I originally
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  talked about this drama The Revenant, I said the only reason
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  only one who could get me to watch a horror drama would be
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  Kim Teddy. So I adore her.
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  She is enough to convince me to watch a horror K drama.
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  And then Jung Say absolutely love him.
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  And I thought it was interesting that you brought up.
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  I miss you. When you said traumatizing, it
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  is the best way to describe that.
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  The best way to describe that drama was absolutely
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  traumatizing. But yes, I've loved him since
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  I've seen him and things. He's a scene stealer to me.
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  Like in some of the things he's been in, he can come out of the
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  the woodwork and you're like, Oh my goodness, he's totally
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  stealing the show for me right now.
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  So I absolutely adore him as well, for sure.
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  Love it. I think this is a newcomer Hong
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  Kong plays Hong. Say this is the cop character.
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  I had never seen him before. This was my first time.
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  Well, not my first time because I've seen him in bit parts and
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  other shows, right? So Rain.
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  He was in Rain or Shine, AKA just Between Lovers.
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  I don't remember that man at all.
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  He's in Life on Mars, which Curtis from Infatuation podcast
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  shout out to him because he loves that show and recommends
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  that every time I talk to him about Cage dramas, he's like,
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  Have you seen Life on Mars yet? I have not.
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  Also, I have not either. OK, so we're both in the same
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  boat. We're both in the same boat.
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  So we also have Liv from 2018, which came up recently for me
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  because I was on the Infatuation Pod K Drama draft episode and
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  someone recommended, oh chose it for their, their pick, one of
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  their draft picks. And I was like, oh cool, never
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  heard of it. Got to put that on the list.
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  That's three years long. He was also Hong Kong was also
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  in DP, which we covered a couple of episodes ago for a spooky
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  season. Lovers of the Red Sky and Week
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  Hero Class One, Had you seen this dude before?
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  So yes. Like you, I've seen him kind of
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  like, I don't remember him in live.
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  Like I remember that I watched that drama, but I don't remember
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  him in that, right? I I watched him in DI, watched
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  DP, didn't remember him in DP. I started Lovers of the Red Sky
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  and then dropped it kind of remembered him in the In Lovers
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  of the Red Sky kind of, but not much.
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  And then Week here Class one was one of my top K drums of last
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  year and he was one of the reasons I absolutely loved week
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  here. Class One highly recommend it if
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  you can stomach bullying and violence, but he in there the
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  entire cast was amazing. And so I pinned him as someone
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  to keep an eye out for because like, obviously I wasn't paying
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  attention to him before. But that was another motivator
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  for me to watch. The Revenant was him because I
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  had told myself I want to keep an eye on him and check out any
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  new things that he would be in. And so when I saw him in here
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  with Kim Teddy, I was like, OK, I can see him and something
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  else. And he's not playing a high
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  school student. So it was really exciting to
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  jump in to see him in this. That's so great to hear.
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  I think we have a couple other veterans that I'll just shout
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  out real fast. We have Kim.
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  Hey, Sook, who plays Bianki. She is the grandmother of, I was
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  gonna say Sancte, but that's not his name here.
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  That's his character. And it's OK to not be OK?
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  No, She plays his song's mother. Grandmother.
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  Yes. And then yeah, Grandma, it's
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  Grandma. Grandma, Grandmother and then
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  Paktuyung plays Kyung Moon, Who is Kim Teddy's mom in the show?
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  And then Kim Wun Hey the Great Kim Wun hey plays Montoon, Who
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  is the other cop in the show? So what did you think of this
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  show? I don't think I know how you
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  feel about rubbing it at all. I have no inkling.
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  You have no idea. OK.
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  So I did go ahead briefly mention that I.
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  Don't watch horror. That's not my Forte.
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  I don't like it. I'm not a big fan of it and I
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  haven't watched a horror K drama in years, I'm going to be honest
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  with you. So this was a really big feat
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  for me. I was very, very impressed with
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  myself that I even started the drama, let alone finish it.
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  And like I said, I had two reasons to start it, which was
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  Kim, Teddy and Honky Young. Since I've.
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  He's a a developing crush, I must say, and I was terrified.
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  The opening alone of the drama was was too much for me, So I
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  had to like Fast forward it. Not because I was trying to
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  hurry to the episode, but because I was just too afraid to
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  sit through the actual opening of this drama.
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  So that's how I felt. I was terrified.
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  The opening episodes, I was so scared.
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  But then there was a moment and the drama where.
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  It wasn't that scary anymore. And we'll talk.
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  We'll talk about why I felt like it wasn't that scary after a
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  certain point. And I but I want to say I
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  actually liked it. By the end of it, I have to say
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  I actually liked it. And as someone who's not a big
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  horror fan, I think I may have been coming at it.
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  And being a little bit more gentle with it than maybe
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  someone else who's used to horror things and really enjoys
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  horror. So I think I'm, you know, I was
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  being really soft on it and be like, oh, I actually like this.
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  But there were some some glaring kind of, like issues that I had
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  with it. And it had a lot to do with like
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  that middle of the drama. So it was like the beginning I
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  really enjoy. Then there was something that
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  kind of went awry in the middle for me.
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  And then right at the end I was like, OK, and then I summed it
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  up as me being. Like, oh, I think I liked it.
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  You know, I think that's how I came away with my feelings for
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  the revenues. Like, I think I liked it.
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  I was able to sit through it. It was a horror drama.
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  So I thought that was really, you know, enough for me to say I
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  liked it, but I made it to the end.
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  Wow. I kind of feel the same way as
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  you. It's not that I I'm watching
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  horror all the time, but I think that I'm more comfortable with
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  thrillers and I don't like, will never watch possession stories.
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  I know that is my line that I don't cross.
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  I know. It's like I said that in my
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  episode. I talked about this in my
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  initial like, thoughts, wanted, I said.
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  Miss me with anything about demons and ghosts.
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  Possessing people like that is my Forte.
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  Like that's not my Forte. That's where I also I'm like, I
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  steer far away from that. And so again it was Kim Terry.
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  Like she's the only reason I watched this trauma.
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  She was the only reason, Yeah, I agree with you that the
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  beginning and the end of the show are the best, the middle
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  episodes. It's not that they're saggy,
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  it's that they're it's almost like they try to do a little
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  like ghost story of the week. They had to solve a little
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  something, something so that they can get to the next stage
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  of their own, like ghosts that they're dealing with.
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  And I don't think it necessarily worked for me because I just
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  ended up getting confused. I was like, how does this relate
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  back to the original Ghost and how is this going to resolve
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  itself? Why are they feels like they're
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  wasting time or? I don't know, it just didn't.
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  There was something about it and I still don't know what it is
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  that I was like checked out a little bit about it.
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  OK, cool, but the. Show.
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  Yeah, we're on the same page, but I think that the show does a
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  really good job building a steady, stylish sense of dread
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  throughout that will keep you sort of on edge and coming back
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  even though you're not. This is not a typical horror
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  show, which I've watched. Horror shows, right?
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  I literally was watching. What's it called?
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  Oh my God, I forgot the name of the show.
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  But it's the one on Netflix. Haunted Haunting of Hill House.
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  You know that one? Oh, gosh, no, thank you.
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  OK, so because my sister is, I know of it.
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  Yes, I know of it. Evidently I'm living with a
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  horror fan because she's watching everything that the
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  director slash writer of Haunting of Hill House has put
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  out currently. And so I'm like re watching it
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  with her. And I was like, this is totally
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  different than how Revenant is, right?
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  How this one was put together in in the West.
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  We rely so much on ambiance and jump scares, right?
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  This is not that show at all. Yes, it has that dark
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  cinematography, but you know, I can watch this during the day
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  like this is like and still be able to see the screen.
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  During the day, I watched it early in the morning so I didn't
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  have any issues when I went to bed at night.
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  Oh no, I just mean, well that too, but I just mean that you
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  it's not so dark like when you watch it.
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  Cinematography wise it's not so dark that you have to watch it
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  at night. Otherwise you just the glare
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  from the sun is too much and you're not going to be able to
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  see anything on the screen. So that I appreciate that they
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  didn't. What's another example of them
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  doing that in the West? Oh, like any battle in Game of
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  Thrones that happened at night, I feel like, well, I guess I
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  have to watch this at night in a pitch dark room, because
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  otherwise I'm not going to be able to see anything on the
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  screen. So things like that.
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  That's so true. Yeah, yeah, unless you see it,
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  then you're like, oh, I can't see anything.
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  I guess I need to create a condition to watch this show.
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  It's not like that for Revenant. The cinematography is not that
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  rude, but it does present this sort of mystical world that is
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  very threatening at night. Like because of the the way it's
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  set up, the lore and everything. The night time is going to be
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  where shit goes down, basically. But.
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  I I appreciated it. I appreciated it that it was
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  also shrouded in a lot of ambiguity.
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  I think I'd learned to appreciate it.
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  I don't think it was necessarily my favorite thing.
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  That so much was like, oh, we thought it was this and said
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  it's that. And what's the significance of
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  this? Well, in this book that my dad
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  wrote, it's about this. And this means that.
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  And what do these numbers mean? Oh, like, you know what I'm
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  saying? Like, it was very like clues and
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  mystery. And if you're not into that
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  that's, that's not your bag, then I'm sorry.
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  Like Revenant is not for you because it was very much a
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  mystery thriller. It was.
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  I completely agree. I think for me, a lot of the
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  horror did come in the early episodes and the end correct
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  middle part was really like you just said.
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  It was kind of like it was just like a thriller mystery.
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  When are we gonna find out the next clue?
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  I mean we literally in this drama are looking for items
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  objects like you know so it's it's scavenger not so I I
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  completely agree that there was a big chunk of the drama that
• 21:10
  felt like it wasn't that scary it wasn't as horror founded or
• 21:14
  based. And I think another thing that I
• 21:18
  liked about this drama which I don't know it, I think it may be
• 21:22
  something that's kind of like signature to the director.
• 21:25
  I mean sorry the writer where she, I feel like she has this
• 21:30
  this way of making sure that things are really grounded in
• 21:33
  history. You know obviously Kingdom is a
• 21:35
  say good but like she that's one of her forte's.
• 21:38
  So I feel like the one of the highlights of this drama is the
• 21:42
  way that they kind of go back in time a little bit and they pull
• 21:45
  out these rituals and you know these ideas like exorcisms and
• 21:50
  and and how that and how that ties to folklore and kind of
• 21:54
  Korean folklore. And so I ended up really
• 21:56
  enjoying that element. And I think again, to me that
• 22:01
  was more, I mean that's throughout the whole drama cause
• 22:04
  like even like I said, the ghost of the day, that was a part of
• 22:07
  it. Like some of the ghosts were
• 22:09
  these ghost types that you would find in these lores in the lore.
• 22:14
  So I thought that was kind of interesting.
• 22:16
  But again, did it go on too long?
• 22:19
  Did we have too much of that? Yeah, I think we did.
• 22:23
  And The thing is, the show is tight at 12 episodes, but maybe
• 22:27
  it's tight 10. I agree.
• 22:31
  I agree. I was.
• 22:32
  I was thinking, I think when you told me that we were going to
• 22:35
  talk about this, we were like, you asked me to talk about this
• 22:37
  drama. I, for some reason in my head
• 22:39
  thought it ended at 8 episodes. Like I was like, oh, I just have
• 22:42
  to go over 8 episodes and it was like, no, actually there's 12.
• 22:46
  So I think I myself, my mind chalked out a lot of this drama
• 22:50
  when I was going back over it. And again, I think they're a big
• 22:54
  chunk of it. It's half the drama.
• 22:56
  So, right, right. Yeah, we're gonna have to talk
• 23:00
  about some of these details. Maybe that I don't.
• 23:01
  Part that you're gonna have to help me on it cuz I try and
• 23:04
  block some of that stuff out. Like as soon as I watch it, I'm
• 23:08
  like, that's too much to remember.
• 23:10
  I am going to just chalk it up to the like I summarize in my
• 23:14
  head and then that's all I remember.
• 23:15
  Yeah, I I like I said I thought it was 8 episodes.
• 23:18
  I completely deleted episodes from my mind.
• 23:21
  So I think. What kept me going as well was
• 23:26
  the performances from Kim, Teri and Ochung say.
• 23:29
  I thought they were tremendous. I thought they were amazingly
• 23:33
  talented in this show. And Kim Teddy playing dual parts
• 23:36
  basically with her and her other version I guess you could say
• 23:44
  really unique how she juxtaposed them and how she created 2
• 23:48
  wildly different characters and you just knew from her posture,
• 23:53
  her body language, from which hand she was using that it's a
• 23:58
  different person. It's not sign Young the the main
• 24:01
  lead at this juncture. And then all I can say is, well,
• 24:07
  an entire, like crises he goes through in the show.
• 24:11
  And I appreciate. I appreciate him.
• 24:14
  Like, I just think he's one of the best actors of his
• 24:16
  generation. I love him.
• 24:19
  Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, I can see that.
• 24:21
  Yeah, absolutely. I actually thought it was unique
• 24:24
  for, well, not even unique. One of the other draws from me
• 24:28
  for starting this drama was actually the poster for the
• 24:31
  release. The poster they released for
• 24:33
  this? Let's talk.
• 24:34
  About it. It was Kim Terry and her kind of
• 24:37
  dual characters that she's kind of presenting in this drama and
• 24:40
  like you said amazing performance.
• 24:43
  But in the poster are still image alone.
• 24:47
  You're able to see the way she's able to clearly show the
• 24:52
  difference like her as this young girl struggling to survive
• 24:56
  and, you know, her day-to-day life, and then this girl
• 24:59
  possessed in one still image. And so if you see that in just
• 25:03
  that poster, I was like, my goodness, I can only imagine how
• 25:07
  her performance is gonna be in this drama.
• 25:09
  So I was super, super impressed by her performance.
• 25:13
  I completely agree with you. Hands down she and there were
• 25:18
  even points where like the the characters themselves they would
• 25:21
  have problems or trouble distinguishing between who she
• 25:25
  was in the moment and I was like, I'm with you.
• 25:27
  I don't know who she is either and so again just just so stand
• 25:31
  out and I love that they even used her performance and how
• 25:35
  amazing it was for the characters themselves to call
• 25:38
  attention to it in a way. And so I thought that was really
• 25:41
  unique and cool and like I said, junk say amazing.
• 25:43
  And I weirdly, I associate him a lot with comedic performances.
• 25:48
  So yeah, I don't know why I think those are the performance.
• 25:52
  I remember most of his or that maybe I enjoyed the most, I
• 25:55
  don't know. But so seeing him in this role.
• 25:59
  I was so serious, so serious, so and like and quieter than I'm
• 26:05
  used to. I felt he was.
• 26:06
  He was so much quieter than I'm used to and I and subtle.
• 26:10
  There was something very subtle about his performance and I was
• 26:12
  super impressed by it. I was like, Oh my goodness, Oh
• 26:16
  my goodness. I think I needed to see him like
• 26:18
  this to kind of like remind me of the kind of actor that he
• 26:22
  actually is and his range. Not that I'd forgotten
• 26:25
  necessarily, but I just, it wasn't a nice refresher to be
• 26:28
  like, Oh yeah, this is what he does on screen.
• 26:31
  This is it, He has range. And so I really.
• 26:33
  Also, this might be just me, but like, he was very attractive.
• 26:38
  He was so good. Yeah, I'm not used to calling a
• 26:41
  protector, to be honest. But yes, I completely agree with
• 26:45
  you. And that's why I said something
• 26:46
  very like muted and and subtle about him.
• 26:49
  And it it kind of, it was very sexy.
• 26:52
  I have to say. I have to.
• 26:53
  Say, I know it was the black turtleneck.
• 26:56
  Yeah, I think I have a thing for professors.
• 26:59
  So I think I also was a little bit.
• 27:03
  So the professor, the folklore professor with the turtleneck
• 27:06
  and the little blazer jacket and you know, it.
• 27:08
  Yeah, it was nice. He was, he was actually, you
• 27:11
  know, showing up today. I know.
• 27:15
  Like every time he took out the blazer and he was just there in
• 27:17
  his turtleneck, I was like, hold on, hold on, the turtle.
• 27:21
  We have the turtleneck of the blazer off.
• 27:24
  Yes, I agree. I'm not one to usually call him
• 27:27
  out for being sexy on screen, but I had to give it to.
• 27:32
  Had to give it to. I was simply for Autumn stay
• 27:35
  versus Hong Kong. I I think he's so adorable.
• 27:40
  Like I loved him and mind you the two performances that I've
• 27:44
  seen other things. But the two, yeah, the two
• 27:48
  performance that I really paid attention to him and and we
• 27:51
  class hero and this he's not playing adorable at all.
• 27:55
  So that's what's so funny to me. I think he's adorable and yet he
• 27:59
  does not come off on screen at all as adorable.
• 28:02
  And I don't know where I'm getting that from, but I just
• 28:04
  love his face on screen and I love his performances.
• 28:08
  I think I feel like he did amazing in this drama.
• 28:11
  Yeah, he did so well. And I mean, I don't know if he
• 28:15
  beat his weak class hero performance, but I definitely
• 28:18
  think he's amazing. I think he's an amazing.
• 28:20
  I will say that had it been to other weaker actors in Kim
• 28:25
  Teddy's position in Orcheng Say's position, Hong Kong shine.
• 28:29
  Yes, I completely agree, completely agree.
• 28:33
  You had Kim Tater, you were growing up against junk, say,
• 28:35
  yeah, I mean, you were gonna fall in the back.
• 28:39
  You were gonna fall to the back a little bit, but he did hold
• 28:43
  his own. He did.
• 28:44
  He really did. Going back to Kim, Teri and
• 28:47
  Otung say, did I make up that they had chemistry?
• 28:50
  I OK, I I I didn't even really put like thoughts to this.
• 28:56
  But now that I like went back over it.
• 28:59
  Yes, yes, yes, I think I was. Like sensing something and I was
• 29:05
  like, am I just? Not getting enough sleep lately
• 29:10
  or? Are they?
• 29:11
  There's something between them? I don't know what it was that.
• 29:15
  Maybe it was because you know what I think it is?
• 29:17
  I think it's because I was viewing him in this very kind of
• 29:20
  like sexy professor turtle deck role.
• 29:23
  So I think I always was trying to push him in this kind of
• 29:25
  romantic space or spear what it it wasn't supposed to be and so
• 29:31
  I completely. Agree.
• 29:32
  He was supposed to be like, 10 years older than Yes, Yes, he
• 29:35
  was. Definitely.
• 29:36
  I mean, wasn't even everyone. He was.
• 29:38
  He was younger than her father, obviously.
• 29:41
  Yeah, exactly. But he was.
• 29:42
  Like, he's in a manageable enough, Yeah, in a good age
• 29:46
  range, Yeah. Like technically in the age
• 29:48
  range. Maybe she was like maybe like
• 29:50
  mid 20s or late 20s. Mid 20s, yeah.
• 29:54
  And he would probably be mid 30s pushing maybe.
• 29:57
  Pushing 40, 40, Pushing 40, Yeah.
• 29:59
  Pushing. Man, I don't know.
• 30:01
  So I was like, I can't tell. I can't tell because at some
• 30:05
  point when she visited him and like at the school that one time
• 30:09
  I was like, she's giving off, could be one of his students.
• 30:11
  So I was, I was taken aback. So I don't know.
• 30:14
  I don't, I don't know. But then at the end, the final
• 30:17
  scene, I was like, I can see it though, I can see.
• 30:20
  It Uh, huh. Uh, huh.
• 30:21
  That's the thing. Sorry.
• 30:29
  You want to come in? All right, we're on the other
• 30:31
  side of spoilers. So, Lola, where do you want to
• 30:34
  start first? I think you had some qualms with
• 30:37
  the middle bit of the show, yes. But maybe we should start from
• 30:42
  the beginning so that we can separate like what?
• 30:46
  It's OK. OK.
• 30:50
  So you. Get I feel like I think I just
• 30:53
  got confused because there were so many different parts of lore
• 30:58
  that we were exploring with the other ghost stories.
• 31:01
  Like we found out about juvenile ghosts and then we find out
• 31:04
  about Jung songs ghosts. We found out about the hungry
• 31:10
  ones. Hungry.
• 31:11
  Ghosts we find out about, which is also AKA the the begging
• 31:16
  ghost. We find out about the shamanic
• 31:19
  rituals which Oh my God, what are those ghosts?
• 31:23
  Wandering Ghosts. The wandering had to do with
• 31:26
  that one cause the lady, that old lady freaking brought the
• 31:29
  wrath of all these wandering ghosts to her entire village.
• 31:33
  Yeah, the entire village. Traumatized.
• 31:35
  Selfish I think. OK, so here's the thing.
• 31:38
  I like the themes behind the ghost stories, not the not
• 31:43
  necessarily them. Like going back and forth and
• 31:46
  figuring this out and oh, this rock over here was touched by
• 31:50
  whatever. And this tree over here
• 31:52
  represents this, all of these suicide ghosts and the children.
• 31:56
  And I'm like, it was too much, I think, for my little brain.
• 32:00
  To comprehend all of Korean folklore in the span of several
• 32:04
  episodes. So this crash course was maybe
• 32:07
  not for me, but I like that the ghosts and the people that they
• 32:13
  haunted and killed, a call came from like a very real place,
• 32:17
  right? It came from like that old lady,
• 32:19
  for instance. Hers was out of the want.
• 32:22
  The need to see her daughter, her dead daughter again, who
• 32:25
  committed suicide. So yeah, it was actually really
• 32:27
  sad. Yeah, I felt really bad for her.
• 32:29
  I understood why she went her daughter back, Yeah.
• 32:32
  Exactly. You feel terrible for her.
• 32:34
  And what was cool was you had that scene of what's his face
• 32:40
  going to see, going to check on all of the old people in the
• 32:43
  town and hissong sees the ghost there.
• 32:47
  And he's like, you know, whatever, Elder, what does she
• 32:50
  mean? Like don't move.
• 32:52
  And she's like, I see her and then you're like, Oh my God.
• 32:56
  She could see the goods. And then you're like, Oh my God,
• 33:00
  it's her daughter. And then what she's seeing is
• 33:03
  wildly different than what Hissang is seeing.
• 33:06
  She's seeing. A whole, you know, not spooky
• 33:11
  daughter smiling and sitting in front of her at the tenor table.
• 33:14
  And I'm like that's very touching but but exactly.
• 33:21
  But but that daughter is dead and gone and she does not look
• 33:27
  like that. Really.
• 33:29
  She's not looking like she was in life.
• 33:32
  So things like that were very emotional.
• 33:36
  But then seeing like how how she summoned all of the ghosts and
• 33:40
  turned north to South or something using those waypoints.
• 33:44
  I was like, that's a lot like she was like cutting herself and
• 33:47
  putting blood on the pole and like the blood, yes.
• 33:50
  I was like, oh. Oh oh she is messing with some
• 33:53
  dark sided stuff to do that and he had to come undo it.
• 33:57
  Hey song had to come and undo all of that.
• 33:59
  So he had to cut himself and then do it the other way it.
• 34:02
  Was just like then she assaulted him like she she hit him, bashed
• 34:06
  him in the head, Yeah, head, yeah.
• 34:08
  I was like she is. Somebody get this lady out of
• 34:11
  here like she is not doing well. Not doing well.
• 34:15
  So This is why I said earlier that it was very selfish of her.
• 34:20
  Because not only is it out of grief that she's doing this, but
• 34:24
  it's out of selfishness because she would rather damn the whole
• 34:27
  town and see her daughter like everyone she ever knew, Like she
• 34:33
  grew up in that town. That the how like was there her
• 34:36
  whole life and thought, I don't care about my friends here, I
• 34:41
  care about the daughter that's already gone.
• 34:44
  More than the living people, the people who are here with me.
• 34:47
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 34:48
  So she was very selfish. And that's the thing about a lot
• 34:52
  of these ghost stories, the ones where the ghosts were praying on
• 34:56
  the living people, was that they all had some kind of weakness,
• 35:00
  some sort of real thing that they were dealing with in their
• 35:02
  lives. And the ghosts would manipulate
• 35:05
  it and weasel their way in and kill them over different things.
• 35:11
  Yep. So, I don't know, Maybe it was
• 35:12
  also the fact that it was too much suicide.
• 35:16
  That's what I was going to touch.
• 35:17
  That's OK. Really.
• 35:19
  What? I was OK.
• 35:19
  You take over. You take over.
• 35:21
  No. I was just going to say one of
• 35:23
  my big qualms with the middle of the drama was that it was just
• 35:27
  repetition at the very beginning, The early opening
• 35:31
  episodes when we get kind of introduced to the ghost, the,
• 35:36
  you know, the wild haired ghost, we see that the way that she
• 35:42
  possesses, she actually possesses people and then forces
• 35:46
  them to kill themselves and that's how she gets her revenge
• 35:51
  or whatever. And I I was like, traumatized by
• 35:55
  that. I was like, that is horrifying.
• 35:56
  And the thing of the people who get possessed by her are kind of
• 35:59
  like, almost, you know, aware of the fact that they're being
• 36:02
  possessed and in the process of killing themselves.
• 36:05
  So, so, so sad and scary. And so I was like, this is
• 36:09
  horrible. And this was in the beginning of
• 36:11
  the drama And then after seeing that already one once, you know
• 36:16
  seeing that multiple other times throughout this drama, I was
• 36:20
  like, OK, at some point we gotta let we gotta move on.
• 36:24
  We gotta move on. I was, I was getting really
• 36:27
  tired of seeing this repetition of the the killings of the
• 36:30
  suicidal possession killings. I thought that heavy for way too
• 36:34
  long. Very heavy for it to be go on
• 36:36
  that many different people like she kills so many people like
• 36:40
  that And I'm. Like many people, but but while
• 36:43
  also we're watching the other ghost story.
• 36:46
  So that's Yes, yes. I didn't like that was.
• 36:49
  Almost suicides, double suicide like too much, too much, too
• 36:54
  much and it was on repeat. So by by a certain point I
• 36:57
  wasn't as fearful of it. I was not scared of it.
• 37:00
  I was just annoyed. At a certain point, I was like,
• 37:02
  okay, another, another ghost taking over somebody body and
• 37:08
  killing and killing them. OK, here's another one.
• 37:10
  Here's another one. And to me, that was the chunk of
• 37:13
  the middle that I believe really, I don't like you say it
• 37:17
  wasn't draggy because all of those kind of, you know, ghosts
• 37:20
  of the day, those things, you know, they move and you want to
• 37:23
  see the ending of that and the resolution of those, but
• 37:26
  connected to this greater story, which is finding out who is the
• 37:30
  ghost that has actually possessed our main character.
• 37:34
  That's what I was really wanting.
• 37:37
  I think a little bit more of or more of the focus of throughout
• 37:40
  that middle of the drama, 'cause I feel like the beginning.
• 37:42
  We started that search, that journey of like, who is this
• 37:45
  ghost that has attached herself to our our, our main character.
• 37:49
  And then we get the the reveal at the very, very end.
• 37:53
  So that was the the kind of combination of like, OK, that
• 37:57
  was the story that I really wanted to know, but I only got
• 37:59
  that in the middle, I mean in the beginning really.
• 38:01
  And then at the end and the middle was a whole bunch of
• 38:04
  other things that kind of started to feel repetitive.
• 38:07
  So I yeah, I had a lot of trouble with that.
• 38:10
  I did. And then I think I got confused
• 38:15
  with who the ghost. I know who the ghost is.
• 38:18
  Like who created the ghost? Was it the grandmother?
• 38:22
  AM I? Yeah.
• 38:23
  So yes, you're right. The grandmother created the
• 38:27
  ghost, but it was like her family created.
• 38:31
  It was her and her husband created the ghost because they
• 38:35
  were falling on hard times and so they needed, they wanted to
• 38:40
  keep the money, their wealth. So it was greed.
• 38:43
  It was greed and like you said, it was what they believed they
• 38:47
  needed so that they can continue to keep their growing their
• 38:50
  wealth and that. Was so that was but then it
• 38:56
  would it would curse their family right?
• 38:58
  Like they knew going into it the shaman was like this is going to
• 39:01
  curse your family for generations.
• 39:02
  Like you can't get out from underneath this curse.
• 39:05
  And they were like. Yeah, we're still going to do
• 39:08
  it. Oh well, we're still going to do
• 39:10
  it. And we want money more than
• 39:11
  anything. But it was the grandmother, like
• 39:14
  you said, who really was the the driving force behind it.
• 39:17
  Because even when like her, her husband was trying to pull out
• 39:21
  of it and he was like, I can't do this anymore than her son.
• 39:26
  I can't, I can't do this anymore.
• 39:27
  She did not care. She was like, I don't care.
• 39:30
  You better keep this ghost in this family so help you.
• 39:33
  So yes, she was definitely the the real villain in this story,
• 39:38
  if you think. About it and it possessed the
• 39:39
  ghost possessed everyone but her am I right?
• 39:42
  Everybody but her. It possessed the I think it was
• 39:44
  following like the men of the in the family like it was on.
• 39:47
  I think it was her husband 1st and then it was her son and I
• 39:51
  think it was supposed to eventually be her grandson and
• 39:55
  his mother. Hey song and so it was his
• 39:58
  mother who ends up dying. Remember when she tries to like
• 40:01
  steal the ghost and everything and and goes on the run with her
• 40:05
  son? That was her trying to prevent
• 40:08
  that from happening. And so she did, though, because
• 40:11
  his song was spared. And then the grandmother held it
• 40:13
  against him that he didn't get possessed and die for the fam.
• 40:17
  Exactly. So just the grandmother was the
• 40:21
  evil, the most, the most selfish of them all.
• 40:24
  There was no redeeming qualities about her, even to the very end.
• 40:27
  And I I mean, I almost, I was going to say I was like, OK, She
• 40:30
  felt. I was like, oh wait, did she
• 40:32
  feel too like one note, you know, of a of a character.
• 40:36
  She knows her building self all the way through.
• 40:39
  But I did kind of like that at the very end there.
• 40:43
  She did have this moment where she kind of gives them the final
• 40:46
  clue of like, how. She gives them the real gras.
• 40:50
  Yes, Yes, exactly. She does.
• 40:52
  I was like fingers even though. Yeah, the finger, It's just the
• 40:55
  finger. It was the finger on our side.
• 40:58
  So all she needed to do the whole time was chop off her
• 41:01
  finger and give it to her grandson so that he could just
• 41:06
  light it on fire. Oh yeah, that was it was so
• 41:10
  simple. I guess.
• 41:11
  So simple. So that's what's funny too.
• 41:13
  But I think what was so like, to me, the best part of this drama,
• 41:18
  besides the performances, was the back story of the ghost of
• 41:22
  like how she actually became I. It was so listen to it, listen
• 41:26
  to it. So it was so quick.
• 41:28
  It happened. Like I said, they revealed it
• 41:29
  right at the very end. But it's after we get the twist,
• 41:33
  the reveal that in the beginning of the drama, then they start to
• 41:37
  investigate who this ghost is that has attached itself to our
• 41:42
  sung young character. We are believing we're following
• 41:46
  this little girl from back in the 1950s, I believe 1958, this
• 41:50
  little girl and his family, and we think she's the ghost.
• 41:53
  And we're like, OK, she has every right to be the ghost,
• 41:56
  'cause she gets rudely sacrificed and a ritual, A sham,
• 41:59
  you know, shaman ritual. And so obviously she's this
• 42:04
  ghost who has, you know, this possessed sonyoung.
• 42:08
  However, at some point we get A twist where it's not actually
• 42:11
  this little girl the entire time that we thought it was.
• 42:14
  It's actually her sister and her sister and it's something like
• 42:18
  Second Borns and and her sisters.
• 42:21
  It was this whole thing about second borns born sacrificial
• 42:24
  and she ended up lying about being the the second born in a
• 42:29
  way by sending her sister to this ritual.
• 42:32
  And really she was supposed to be the one to go to this ritual
• 42:35
  and the whole reason they were doing this ritual was for money.
• 42:39
  They were from a very poor fisherman kind of family
• 42:41
  background. And she was, you know, because
• 42:45
  she was poor And she was, I remember was she in school I
• 42:48
  believe and she had a crush on her teacher, her art teacher.
• 42:50
  She was really good at art, but she she felt like she didn't
• 42:54
  have and she didn't even have enough money to buy the art
• 42:56
  supply. So we just get this back story
• 42:58
  of this really sad poor girl who ends up being doing something
• 43:04
  really selfish, which is because she wanted money, she wanted her
• 43:08
  family to have money. She sends her sister off to be
• 43:11
  sacrificed in this ritual and the minute she realizes that
• 43:14
  this is what she has done, she tries to pull out of it.
• 43:18
  She tries to return the money and and say hey, no.
• 43:21
  It's not even that she felt bad about her sister dying.
• 43:23
  It was like the whole family, family, everybody started dying.
• 43:27
  Her mother committed suicide. Yeah, everybody started dying.
• 43:30
  I mean, it was so traumatic for her.
• 43:32
  So she's like, oh, I got to undo this whole thing, take the money
• 43:35
  back. But what ends up happening is
• 43:37
  she gets caught by the shaman and it turns into she gets her
• 43:41
  sister gets killed anyway, but so does she.
• 43:44
  And her seeing her sister die, her family die, All of this in
• 43:49
  the way that she dies, it turns her into this vengeful spirit
• 43:53
  which is what they needed in the 1st place.
• 43:55
  They the whole. It was like almost like a trick
• 43:58
  from the shaman perspective of like we don't really need your,
• 44:01
  you know, little kind of your little sister who's just like
• 44:03
  why did he die? You know, going into this, this,
• 44:06
  this ritual getting sacrifice, we need someone to have this
• 44:09
  vengeful spirit about them. And she and all that she ended
• 44:12
  up doing, I was the one who actually turned into the
• 44:15
  vengeful spirit. And so watching that whole story
• 44:19
  play out to me was so interesting.
• 44:21
  I mean, I was so intrigued by it.
• 44:24
  I was horrified by it. But I also really felt for her,
• 44:27
  because it wasn't that she was evil by nature, obviously, but
• 44:33
  it did show her as kind of immature and selfish and silly
• 44:38
  and dumb in a way that she thought very naive, not very
• 44:41
  naive. And so I just, I like that we
• 44:44
  got to see that character. But then we also get to see her
• 44:48
  when she is the ghost that's possessing son young.
• 44:53
  And we get to see this immaturity, this youthfulness,
• 44:55
  this kind of like girl who just wants to be liked by a guy.
• 44:59
  You know, when she has an interracial action with Hongsei
• 45:02
  and he notices that it's not a little girl.
• 45:05
  She she's, she's older than a little girl.
• 45:07
  You know, he's like this isn't a little girl.
• 45:08
  She's giving, you know, teenager vibes.
• 45:10
  And so I really loved all of that reveal.
• 45:13
  And to me that came too late in a way.
• 45:16
  I feel like I wanted to see a little bit more of her story
• 45:21
  fleshed out, and not necessarily that they didn't show
• 45:24
  everything, but taking its time to reveal that a little bit
• 45:27
  more. And that would have taken away
• 45:29
  from all of that repetitive killing of the ghost and the
• 45:32
  ghost of the day. I think that would have been
• 45:34
  nice if we would have pulled that in more to the middle of
• 45:37
  the drama instead of just holding me off to the very, very
• 45:40
  end. Yeah, there was a big emphasis
• 45:43
  on finding out who the ghost was and knowing her name.
• 45:46
  Oh yes, Which felt very familiar to me because that's something
• 45:50
  that's part of like usual, like possession movies and stuff,
• 45:55
  especially with, I think it's in Catholicism, which I'm not a
• 45:58
  Catholic, so I feel bad in trying to explain this.
• 46:01
  But they need the name of the, the demon to like, cast it out,
• 46:05
  to be able to cast it out. I mean, this is terrifying.
• 46:08
  Whatever. It is terrifying.
• 46:10
  It's terrifying. So I was like, oh, OK, yeah, I
• 46:14
  get this. They need to find out her name
• 46:16
  in order to, like, cast her out, Get rid of her.
• 46:22
  I don't think that I necessarily ever sympathized with the ghost.
• 46:27
  Oh, I think her name is Hyung Yi.
• 46:29
  Hyung Yi? Yup.
• 46:31
  But. I thought she was really
• 46:34
  interesting. Yes, yes, I really.
• 46:38
  It's a weird thing. Yes.
• 46:41
  Where you're like, I want to know more about this ghost, like
• 46:43
  let me sit down and have a conversation because she is
• 46:47
  giving. I completely agree.
• 46:49
  I think that was like, to me, a highlight of this drama was to
• 46:53
  be this ending, like this reveal of the actual ghost and who she
• 46:56
  was. And even like this, I mean,
• 47:00
  there's a trickster element to the ghost.
• 47:01
  Obviously, a lot of the things that she does is very tricky and
• 47:05
  and she's doing things on purpose so that she can get her
• 47:07
  way. And I I love that.
• 47:10
  I still love that. Even like you said, there's
• 47:12
  nothing that you can say you really liked about her as far as
• 47:14
  like, Oh yeah, I completely sympathize.
• 47:16
  I understand why she's killing so many people, you know, never
• 47:20
  to like, can I say that? But I did feel like she was
• 47:23
  interesting. I did want to know more about
• 47:25
  her, like even when she possessed Sun Young and she
• 47:29
  pretends to be her to her own mother, son, Young's mother.
• 47:33
  And it was her wanting that was cool.
• 47:36
  And it was her wanting a mother, figuring, like wanting to be a
• 47:38
  daughter again, like at. The end of the day, Kelly, like,
• 47:42
  wanted. Yeah, she was selfish.
• 47:45
  She was. But I don't think she was
• 47:46
  necessarily evil. Exactly.
• 47:50
  Exactly she. She had no redeeming qualities,
• 47:53
  just like the grandmother. She was not very redeemable,
• 47:55
  but. She wasn't this heartless part.
• 48:00
  Like she wasn't heartless. You could tell that she wanted
• 48:02
  things. And really, like, her goal in
• 48:05
  possessing all of these people was to stick around and live a
• 48:08
  life. That was it.
• 48:10
  That was it. She died too.
• 48:11
  Love. Yeah, She's like I.
• 48:13
  Died too soon. Yeah.
• 48:15
  And she just thought, oh, if I, if I live such a terrible life,
• 48:20
  I'm going to get one that I want to live for and I'm going to
• 48:23
  steal it from other people. And that's all she was doing.
• 48:26
  That's literally what she was doing the entire time.
• 48:29
  And I and I don't. It's like I said I there's
• 48:31
  something good about that. I wanted her to go by the end of
• 48:33
  the drama. Trust me, I want.
• 48:34
  Her. You're like, oh, wait, she has
• 48:36
  to go get rid of her insecurity. Yes, bring insecurity, please.
• 48:41
  But I I did feel something at some point.
• 48:44
  I think what really got me, I think that my one of the things
• 48:47
  that really stood out to me the most was when our detective, he
• 48:53
  recognizes her, you know, at the carnival, like running around,
• 48:57
  she's like wanting to play and take, you know, win games.
• 49:00
  And it was just and like and she was kind of flirting with him
• 49:03
  and you know, she's like she wanted to flirt with him and all
• 49:05
  of that. And I was just, I was getting, I
• 49:07
  was like, I I was like, oh, she just wants to be, you know, a a
• 49:11
  teenage. Girl, she's very extroverted.
• 49:14
  She's got nothing to lose. So every time she has
• 49:16
  interactions with other people, she's not.
• 49:19
  It's not that she's not reading. The non verbal cues in the room,
• 49:23
  it's that she's blowing past them and blowing past all of the
• 49:26
  social stop signs and throwing wine on people and calling
• 49:30
  people out for their bullshit and aggressively flirting with
• 49:34
  you Like yes, you're like, oh this is a like it's an extrovert
• 49:39
  maybe, but maybe a step beyond that, like it's just a wild
• 49:43
  person. Yes, she was a wild, I mean,
• 49:45
  which makes sense. I mean, to think that she's been
• 49:48
  living a living through these people and and living through
• 49:53
  these people, she's been terrorizing others and killing
• 49:57
  others, you know, it's like, right, You're you're dealing
• 49:59
  with a mad. Woman, they said that the reason
• 50:03
  why she? Gained so much power over these
• 50:05
  people, as well as that she's giving them what they want.
• 50:07
  And so she's like killing off people they don't like and
• 50:10
  giving them money. Give them power, prestige,
• 50:13
  whatever they desire. She's helping them get it.
• 50:16
  But at the same time, when she's just there at the carnival or
• 50:19
  you know, she's, she derives joy from the most tainest things as
• 50:24
  well. So it's like, it's a heart.
• 50:26
  It's a weird contrast to see her, like you said, you know,
• 50:28
  she's the one that's like possessing people and causing
• 50:31
  them to jump off of buildings, but then at the same time see
• 50:33
  her running and playing games at a carnival and winning a teddy
• 50:37
  bear. You're like, so cute.
• 50:41
  The ghost just having a theme park day.
• 50:43
  Yeah, it was weird. Yeah, it was a weird thing.
• 50:46
  But I liked that. I had that feeling of like,
• 50:49
  what? This is a the evil ghost.
• 50:51
  Like, what are you, why am I like, you know, enjoying that
• 50:54
  she's getting a little bit of time to like live out her little
• 50:58
  vicariously through this, you know, this person's body that
• 51:00
  she's possessing. Why am I OK with that?
• 51:02
  She's never been chosen, right. I think that was part of her
• 51:06
  back story was that she was always this second and I think
• 51:11
  that's why. And the one time that she's
• 51:12
  chosen is. To die.
• 51:16
  To die, to die. And I'm going to be honest, I
• 51:19
  I'm not going to say I relate it to her.
• 51:21
  But I did feel some kind of way because as a as a middle child,
• 51:26
  as a second born child, it ran deep.
• 51:32
  It ran deep. I felt her.
• 51:34
  I was like, you know what, send your little sister off to.
• 51:38
  Go ahead. I'm just kidding.
• 51:40
  I would never do that to my little sister.
• 51:42
  But no, I do. I I felt there was this, like I
• 51:45
  said, this second rightness that you felt from her.
• 51:48
  I mean, besides her entire family being just kind of like
• 51:51
  from this poor village being poverty stricken.
• 51:54
  But still she was, she was talented, she was an artist.
• 51:57
  She could draw, you know, she she had these other qualities
• 52:00
  like, OK, you know, if she could just get the chance to have
• 52:04
  those things that others have, she could be a better person
• 52:07
  maybe, you know? Yeah, but you're right, the one
• 52:10
  time she gets chosen, it's to die.
• 52:13
  So why wouldn't she be a vengeful ghost sizing?
• 52:17
  I I mean, I I hate to say I get it, but, like, that's why she's
• 52:21
  out here. Like causing so much harm out of
• 52:24
  spite and bitterness? Exactly.
• 52:26
  And then also, she gets what she wants, right?
• 52:28
  She wants to live vicariously through these people and just
• 52:31
  take over. And get what you couldn't have.
• 52:35
  So I've. Now that you brought that up, I
• 52:37
  let's talk about this part because I think this was
• 52:39
  something that I highlighted when I talked about this drama
• 52:43
  that bothered me a little bit. This notion that, yes, if you
• 52:49
  allow this ghost to possess you or your family, you get the
• 52:53
  opportunity to get what you want, right?
• 52:55
  And the main one is that this family wants wealth.
• 52:59
  So they allow her to possess their family and curse their
• 53:02
  family so that they can always have wealth.
• 53:05
  My problem was that they revealed this.
• 53:09
  It's the same with our son young character and her father.
• 53:13
  And why they allowed the ghost to possess them at some point
• 53:17
  because they have a disease that's causing them to go blind
• 53:22
  slowly. So for son Young's father, who
• 53:26
  is the first person who I mean out of before her is possessed
• 53:30
  by this ghost and killed by him. There we find out throughout the
• 53:34
  drama that he actually at some point allows her to possess him
• 53:38
  and to stay with him on purpose because he finds out that he's
• 53:42
  going blind and she promised him, hey, I'll let you, you know
• 53:46
  not go blind if you keep me around.
• 53:48
  So then and it's a hereditary disease.
• 53:50
  We find out because son Young also has this and discovers
• 53:54
  this. So when the ghost is possessing
• 53:55
  her, she finds this out that her father was allowing the ghost to
• 53:59
  jump went to her basically for the same reason.
• 54:02
  So she had the opportunity to continue to see and not go
• 54:06
  blind. And I did not like that at all.
• 54:10
  And I didn't like it really. I hated it because it to me it
• 54:15
  it cheapened how they it to me it compared the grandmother and
• 54:21
  her family being super evil and villainous and wanting money,
• 54:25
  money, money and wealth, wealth, wealth to someone who's actually
• 54:27
  really scared about going blind. Like that's two separate things
• 54:31
  for me. Like the reason?
• 54:33
  Well, I think that's the evilness of it.
• 54:35
  And and I hated that. I was like, I don't like that
• 54:38
  they made our son, young character and her father turn
• 54:42
  into people that decide to keep this ghost in their life for the
• 54:47
  little period that they do because they don't wanna go
• 54:49
  blind like that. That temptation of not wanting
• 54:52
  to go blind, and I just feel like that was not in the same
• 54:56
  caliber of someone who's doing it because it.
• 54:59
  Wasn't greed. It's a different.
• 55:01
  It's not greed. It's not greed.
• 55:02
  It's like, I'm really scared. I don't wanna go blind.
• 55:05
  So you're telling me that? OK, you won't go blind if you
• 55:08
  can stay here. Maybe.
• 55:10
  Like, I can't be mad at her. Really.
• 55:11
  I can't be mad at her father too much.
• 55:13
  But this evil grandmother who just wants to accumulate all the
• 55:16
  money in the world, that's not the same thing.
• 55:18
  It's not the same thing. Like, I didn't like that they
• 55:21
  compared those two in a way I I don't know.
• 55:24
  I didn't like the blind element. I think it's.
• 55:26
  A part of the psychological obstacles that these characters
• 55:29
  have to overcome, right? That it's a lot about.
• 55:36
  Confronting your demons, inner demons.
• 55:38
  And I don't mean demons literally because we got to
• 55:43
  differentiate. But you know, confronting your
• 55:46
  inner demons and the things that make you afraid and coming to
• 55:52
  terms with them. And I completely agree with
• 55:55
  that. And I but I feel like they what
• 55:59
  I think they wanted to what they should have done and I think
• 56:01
  they were supposed to do or what they were doing.
• 56:03
  But it wasn't as I think clear was like with the son young
• 56:09
  character. When we first meet her, she's
• 56:12
  struggling to make ends meet with her mom.
• 56:14
  She's like going kind of through the motions in her life and
• 56:18
  there's something very pitiful about her character and that she
• 56:21
  just feels like down on down on her look and it's like what's
• 56:24
  the point in a way? And I think they're throughout
• 56:27
  the drama, we start to see her. I not the way, like not want to
• 56:32
  not live anymore. But remember when she like,
• 56:34
  switches places and she gets in the shadow and she's like
• 56:38
  fighting to like come out of that like it.
• 56:41
  To me that was supposed to highlight this this kind of what
• 56:43
  her she really was afraid of what she really was fighting.
• 56:46
  It wasn't that she was like, oh, I'll go blind.
• 56:49
  I think it was about this need to not think that your life
• 56:55
  isn't worth it like you are. Your life is still worth it.
• 56:57
  Even if you're struggling to make ends meet and you're like
• 57:00
  still figuring out what you're going to do in your life and
• 57:02
  you're not the you know and when you go back to your your
• 57:05
  friends, you know the class reunion and everybody else is
• 57:08
  wealthy and off and doing well and you're not, that doesn't
• 57:11
  mean you're less of a person. So I felt like she had a lot of
• 57:14
  other things that she was dealing with that the ghost
• 57:17
  could have exploited and it not her going.
• 57:20
  You see what I mean? I guess that's what it is.
• 57:22
  I totally get it. And that you're right, that when
• 57:25
  she was in that Shadow Place or whatever that was other
• 57:31
  dimension that the Ghost sent her to, while she had full
• 57:35
  possession of her body for those days and she was fighting
• 57:39
  against herself, she kind of had this realization that it wasn't
• 57:45
  so much that she like. Hat was going blind.
• 57:50
  It that wasn't even the case at all.
• 57:52
  That she and those flashback scenes and stuff, she was saying
• 57:56
  that she had never lived for herself.
• 57:59
  She had always been providing for other people on being on
• 58:03
  other people's timetable, surviving like you said.
• 58:07
  And in this fight that she's having with herself, which is
• 58:11
  really the ghost who's fighting with her, but the ghost has her
• 58:15
  face and whatever, so it's like she's fighting herself.
• 58:18
  She realizes that she's been the issue all along and that she
• 58:22
  brought the darkness on herself, like basically gave the ghost an
• 58:26
  opening to through which to torment her like with her own
• 58:31
  insecurities and her own weaknesses.
• 58:34
  And if she decides that those aren't weaknesses and that she
• 58:39
  is going to live differently and that she has a reason to live to
• 58:43
  change her life and you know, live for herself and all that
• 58:46
  shit, that. That's enough to gain control
• 58:50
  over the ghost. Exactly.
• 58:52
  And we get that at the very end, at the very end again.
• 58:56
  So I mean, I I, I don't know. I didn't think they needed the
• 59:01
  blind plot, basically, I don't think.
• 59:03
  The blind plot. Well, if you get some
• 59:04
  interesting scenes where she's trying to like, pass off that
• 59:06
  she's not blind, Yeah, that. I mean.
• 59:11
  So I guess it's more of a shock factor.
• 59:13
  That they wanted. I didn't need it.
• 59:15
  I didn't. And they they needed some
• 59:17
  contrived reason. For her dad.
• 59:19
  For her dad. Right.
• 59:20
  You're right. You're right.
• 59:22
  Ghost was what the Ghost was capable of and how it was
• 59:25
  terrorizing people for him to allow this ghost into his life
• 59:29
  and to his daughter's life. Because again, he touched on the
• 59:32
  fact that he passed this ghost out like it was a fair family
• 59:35
  heirloom. He was like, here's to you, my
• 59:37
  daughter, the possession of this ghost.
• 59:42
  Did they ever say that he did that by mistake or that was No,
• 59:46
  I think it was on purpose. It was a part of big plan.
• 59:50
  Because remember when they're in the village and she sees her
• 59:54
  daddy's ghost for like a very short period and he's
• 59:57
  apologizing to her and I think. That was the revelation was that
• 1:00:02
  we had to find out why he was apologizing to her and then it
• 1:00:06
  comes in through his back story of like how learning that it was
• 1:00:09
  hereditary and things like that. I think it was his plan that in
• 1:00:13
  case my daughter also experiences this, I want to pass
• 1:00:16
  this on to her because specifically his grant her, her
• 1:00:20
  paternal grandmother when she handed her the, you know, the
• 1:00:24
  little cursed object. She's like your father wanted
• 1:00:28
  you to have this, like it was legit.
• 1:00:30
  Like your father wanted you to have this.
• 1:00:32
  And I don't think that was the ghost.
• 1:00:33
  I think that was the grandmother really passing on what the the
• 1:00:37
  father wanted her to pass on. I don't know.
• 1:00:38
  It could have been the deal. I thought it was like he passed
• 1:00:41
  it on. So I I see what you're saying.
• 1:00:45
  I think it was him too, hearing you talk about it.
• 1:00:48
  What the hell is up with the mothers in this show?
• 1:00:51
  Every single mom, there was a problem.
• 1:00:53
  Yeah, OK. Her mom.
• 1:00:54
  There was a problem. One of my biggest issues in the
• 1:00:57
  beginning of this trauma was her mom, because.
• 1:01:00
  Yes, her father dies and she comes to comes to son Young and
• 1:01:05
  says hey your father's dead we need to go to his funeral and
• 1:01:08
  son Young's like my and. She's like, hold on, hold on.
• 1:01:10
  I thought he was already dead. My already dead father is dead.
• 1:01:15
  What do you mean? And then the entire time, she's
• 1:01:18
  not, she's not explaining this. She's not saying why she's lied
• 1:01:22
  to her daughter the entire time about her father being dead that
• 1:01:25
  she she could had a relationship with her father and she's like
• 1:01:27
  why wouldn't you let me know that you know none of that.
• 1:01:29
  And then when her when Sonya walks out of the the funeral,
• 1:01:33
  you know her where her her father's home with this cursed
• 1:01:35
  object and her mother sees her holding it and she like slaps it
• 1:01:39
  out of her hand. Even then she doesn't explain
• 1:01:43
  like she just like slaps over her head.
• 1:01:44
  It's like don't touch anything in here.
• 1:01:48
  Half the shit that happens to her daughter is her.
• 1:01:51
  Thank you for me because. She never explained she had.
• 1:01:55
  She knew what was happening. The entire time her own mother
• 1:02:00
  died because of this. Like, why wouldn't you tell your
• 1:02:03
  daughter her grandmother died because of this, like I.
• 1:02:06
  Just thought I I just, I thought that it was so weak of her to be
• 1:02:11
  this, like, shriveled up nervous wreck of a person that she
• 1:02:15
  couldn't. And she couldn't get get through
• 1:02:19
  her trauma enough to save her daughter's life.
• 1:02:23
  It made no sense, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:24
  It made no sense. Like.
• 1:02:25
  Pull it the fuck together. She's going to like and not
• 1:02:29
  forever. What the hell is that?
• 1:02:31
  I know, I don't understand that. Like you ran from your husband
• 1:02:36
  because of this and made him like killed him off to you and
• 1:02:40
  your daughter because of this. And then when it comes back into
• 1:02:44
  your life, you don't explain it to your daughter.
• 1:02:47
  That logically doesn't make sense.
• 1:02:49
  I mean, she's being tormented, tormented by this ghost, and
• 1:02:53
  you're not letting her in on this at all.
• 1:02:55
  She has to find everything out on her own, even when she, like,
• 1:02:57
  finds out that her mom lived in a town that she didn't even know
• 1:03:00
  she she lived in. The mom's like, are you are you
• 1:03:03
  there right now? Leave, leave.
• 1:03:05
  No explanation. Still, Still Just nothing.
• 1:03:08
  Nothing. So I was really annoyed with her
• 1:03:10
  mom. I completely agree.
• 1:03:11
  The mothers I. Hated.
• 1:03:12
  I hated were interesting. The only time that she redeemed
• 1:03:15
  herself was like at the end, when she immediately knew that
• 1:03:18
  wasn't her daughter. Yes, she knew.
• 1:03:19
  She was like, that's not like. I was like, OK, OK, now you now,
• 1:03:22
  you know. And even when she was like being
• 1:03:24
  a little bit brave to some extent, despite her kind of like
• 1:03:27
  she has like a anxiety disorder, right?
• 1:03:30
  Like again, something else she layered, they had on top of
• 1:03:33
  these characters. So she had anxiety disorder and
• 1:03:37
  she was like, you know, so everybody got multiple issues.
• 1:03:41
  It's like, OK, not only are we like, poor and struggling, I
• 1:03:45
  have an anxiety disorder. I I possess.
• 1:03:48
  I can't go. I can't keep my job.
• 1:03:50
  I possess my ghost like I cannot.
• 1:03:52
  It was too much. It was just too much.
• 1:03:55
  But yeah, I I I did. I did say, like, I like that in
• 1:03:58
  the end there she finally had a little burst of, like, I'm going
• 1:04:01
  to fight this, you know, Like, I'm not going to just allow
• 1:04:04
  myself to be taken down alongside my daughter because
• 1:04:07
  obviously she was going to let her daughter be taken down if
• 1:04:09
  she wasn't going to tell her what's going on.
• 1:04:12
  So yeah, at the very end she had a little bit, you know, off to
• 1:04:15
  her step, but it took her a while.
• 1:04:17
  And then Hissong's grandmother, who is a living terror, she is
• 1:04:21
  an actual demon herself. So there's that.
• 1:04:25
  Called it an actual and actual like ghostly bitch because she
• 1:04:32
  allowed it all to happen. It sanctioned it.
• 1:04:35
  I think she was actually pleased when one of the victims died.
• 1:04:39
  Was was sacrificed. Well, didn't they show her
• 1:04:41
  valley, like, giggling? Yeah.
• 1:04:43
  Like, yeah, absolutely. She was demonic.
• 1:04:46
  Demented. The exact.
• 1:04:47
  And actually, what's even worse? Her son.
• 1:04:51
  Hey, Song's father, I forget She literally let him die.
• 1:04:56
  Like like he was thirsty. Remember.
• 1:04:58
  Like something where he like, was dehydrated.
• 1:05:00
  He. Let him starve to death.
• 1:05:01
  She let her own son starve to death because she wanted this
• 1:05:06
  ghost to stay around. What she had the audacity to
• 1:05:10
  even tell? Like remember when they tricked
• 1:05:12
  her into revealing the name? And she even was like, so she
• 1:05:15
  thinks she's talking to the ghost and she's like, I made a
• 1:05:17
  promise to you so I'll never tell your name.
• 1:05:20
  I'll never say I made a promise. You made a promise to a ghost.
• 1:05:24
  Got your own children, grandchildren, grandson.
• 1:05:27
  A ghost. Like she was.
• 1:05:29
  Like, I've never saw her so, like grandmotherly or motherly,
• 1:05:33
  except for the moment. She's like begging this ghost.
• 1:05:36
  Like I was. I was.
• 1:05:38
  I was. Are you out of your mind?
• 1:05:40
  Out of your mind. She was she like, are you?
• 1:05:42
  Out of your mind. That's like when she was in the
• 1:05:44
  in the hospital room and like locked up and like the ghost
• 1:05:47
  comes to take care of her. I was like, go ahead, take care
• 1:05:50
  of her. Go ahead, take.
• 1:05:52
  Her like send her far away. I mean literally.
• 1:05:56
  Did she like jump out the window?
• 1:05:57
  She like. Like she.
• 1:05:59
  Jumped out the window. Yep, Yep, Yep.
• 1:06:02
  And then she uses the glass from the window as she's laying on
• 1:06:04
  the concrete to chop her own finger on.
• 1:06:07
  Yep, that was the sign. That was the sign signal to help
• 1:06:09
  to find the finger. Because it wasn't her finger.
• 1:06:13
  It was. Uh huh.
• 1:06:15
  Find the other. Yeah, the ghost.
• 1:06:16
  It was Hanyang's finger. Because when they find her body
• 1:06:18
  buried in the grandmother's home, remember she's missing a
• 1:06:22
  finger. The the dead ghost's body is
• 1:06:25
  missing a finger. And they're like, you got to
• 1:06:26
  find that finger. That's it.
• 1:06:28
  The finger. I don't know why that's funny to
• 1:06:32
  me, that figure, but I like no, because I did like the ending.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, it was good. It was good.
• 1:06:39
  Her wailing as well. The screaming from the ghost,
• 1:06:42
  like as she's being forced to set her own finger on fire.
• 1:06:45
  Loved it. Loved it.
• 1:06:47
  So good. But I love.
• 1:06:48
  But I also. Love.
• 1:06:49
  It's so satisfying, the whole thing of like this.
• 1:06:51
  Her becoming, you know, defeating the Ghost while still
• 1:06:55
  being not in. Yeah, still being possessed like
• 1:06:59
  she was still in the Shadow Place, but she was able, like I
• 1:07:02
  don't. Even know what that was, I don't
• 1:07:03
  even know what that was. But she was able to reconcile
• 1:07:06
  that. I have the control of over all
• 1:07:09
  of this. I have the control to take this
• 1:07:11
  ghost down, to not be possessed by this ghost anymore.
• 1:07:14
  And I liked all of that. At the end I thought it was a
• 1:07:17
  great final scene. So not final final scene, but I
• 1:07:20
  final scene for the ghost. I actually like that.
• 1:07:24
  So I think I like just the the whole thing with the ghost.
• 1:07:26
  I like the the ending. I liked all of that.
• 1:07:30
  Yep. My gosh, Speaking of haunting of
• 1:07:35
  Hill House, which I'm sure a lot of people have watched that
• 1:07:37
  show. It's on Netflix.
• 1:07:39
  It's like very well known. But anyway, because I was re
• 1:07:43
  watching it earlier today, I had, they said this this
• 1:07:47
  sentence and I was like, oh, this is so great, they said, one
• 1:07:51
  of the characters said in the final episode.
• 1:07:53
  Of haunting of Hill House. They said ghosts are guilt,
• 1:07:56
  ghosts are secrets, ghosts are regrets and failings.
• 1:07:59
  But most times a ghost is a wish, A wish.
• 1:08:02
  There it is. There it is.
• 1:08:04
  And I was like, oh, that's actually really relevant.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah, to Revenant, Very. And I mean, it's exactly what
• 1:08:12
  Revenant was discussing. Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  The idea of like you holding on to that the hope A wish for
• 1:08:18
  something and you not having that.
• 1:08:20
  Are you allowing that not to or allowing that not having
• 1:08:23
  something to to kind of keep you?
• 1:08:27
  Well, yeah. That's sustaining.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah that is I'd like, I mean I I like what they addressed in In
• 1:08:34
  the Revenant. I like what they were were
• 1:08:37
  discussing. I like what they were really
• 1:08:38
  taking a look at. I appreciated it.
• 1:08:41
  I really did. I just feel like they they could
• 1:08:44
  have done that without the ghost of the week.
• 1:08:48
  I agree. Did you think that Hissong's
• 1:08:52
  little friend was a ghost? I immediately thought that was a
• 1:08:56
  ghost. I.
• 1:08:57
  Like the kid did I yeah, it was weird that he was hanging out
• 1:08:59
  with the kid. I was like, why is he hanging
• 1:09:01
  out with a high school student? I didn't understand that.
• 1:09:03
  So then I was like, oh, he's not real.
• 1:09:05
  He's a ghost. He's seeing a ghost.
• 1:09:07
  So I I didn't. I actually I ended up liking how
• 1:09:12
  they used his character in the in there.
• 1:09:15
  I didn't realize he was so he was going to be not so not evil,
• 1:09:21
  but like he ended up being that like a problem child and why he
• 1:09:25
  became this this ghost. But I thought it was unique that
• 1:09:27
  he stayed in his life and he kind of kept him by his side.
• 1:09:31
  I thought he would have kind of wanted to do away with him, but
• 1:09:34
  I think he felt guilt. Yeah, so that's why he kept him
• 1:09:37
  around. So I I I like the ghost stories
• 1:09:40
  and the visually, but like it has a whole like I I feel like
• 1:09:45
  it's detracted. You're just blinded by a lot of
• 1:09:49
  death and you don't want to necessarily become desensitized.
• 1:09:54
  And you you are by certain point for sure you are.
• 1:09:58
  People jumping out of the window means nothing.
• 1:10:00
  By the time you see you're like, oh, there goes there's a.
• 1:10:03
  Ghost and there he goes. And the same thing with Kimo and
• 1:10:07
  his character. I didn't think that they would
• 1:10:10
  kill him off. That's a very big actor for
• 1:10:14
  them. To Chris Brown, I will say this,
• 1:10:18
  I thought, I thought it was. I'm not gonna say I thought it
• 1:10:21
  was good that they killed him off.
• 1:10:22
  But I actually was like, OK, I appreciate it that they did it
• 1:10:26
  because I felt like it. It lit a fire under our cop,
• 1:10:30
  our, you know, his partner, because I feel like he was still
• 1:10:33
  so because. He was almost like a non yes to
• 1:10:36
  the almost close to the end until that happened, you know he
• 1:10:38
  was fighting against it. So help him you know.
• 1:10:41
  And I think that he needed a white a wake up call and that
• 1:10:44
  was the only thing that he could because he was there when he saw
• 1:10:47
  this happen. So I'm like that was the only
• 1:10:49
  way you can believe something that's horrible is taking place
• 1:10:53
  in your kind of day-to-day human world.
• 1:10:56
  You know he had to see it for himself.
• 1:10:58
  So I I didn't you know like it was huge that that killed him
• 1:11:01
  off. But I didn't mind it.
• 1:11:03
  I actually I thought it they did it.
• 1:11:05
  It was a good choice. I.
• 1:11:07
  Thought it was a good choice. Uh huh.
• 1:11:10
  I just realized that, I said. They Chris browned him.
• 1:11:12
  Do you? Do you know what I mean?
• 1:11:13
  Wait, they Chris browned him. What?
• 1:11:17
  Yeah, 'cause you said they killed him.
• 1:11:19
  Earlier I invoked Chris Brown. And it's because of the movie
• 1:11:24
  Stomp The Oh my I I barely remember I watched that movie
• 1:11:29
  once the the the maybe in the theater when it dropped and then
• 1:11:33
  like never have seen or thought of that movie since.
• 1:11:36
  Are you safe to stop that yours? I actually stop the young.
• 1:11:44
  Oh, I haven't thought about that in years.
• 1:11:48
  Because that movie, first of all, I really like that movie,
• 1:11:51
  The second of all. And that on ironically, I like,
• 1:11:54
  I like stomp the arts. So that movie is so famous.
• 1:11:59
  I remember people going, Oh my God, Chris Brown's.
• 1:12:02
  In the mind you, this was, I was in middle school.
• 1:12:04
  This was so many years ago before Chris Brown got
• 1:12:05
  cancelled. And we're like, I can't wait to
• 1:12:09
  go see Chris Brown in this movie.
• 1:12:11
  Chris Brown Canfield is like the 1st 10 minutes of the movie.
• 1:12:15
  Oh my goodness. I didn't know that.
• 1:12:17
  I I mean, I I I didn't see the movie, but I didn't know people
• 1:12:21
  were like so excited to see him in it and super disappointed.
• 1:12:25
  I mean, I saw the movie. I was a huge Chris Brown fan
• 1:12:28
  even when he first gave out. So.
• 1:12:30
  Because he was in all the marketing and he was, people
• 1:12:34
  were like, you're right, he was. That's so funny.
• 1:12:38
  A dancing movie. And Chris Brown's in it.
• 1:12:40
  People were like, he gets killed off in the beginning, he said.
• 1:12:45
  They Chris Brown, they did not Chris Brown.
• 1:12:47
  Him though, because he was in a big chunk of the drama.
• 1:12:50
  Come on, come on. Right he.
• 1:12:52
  Was he wasn't in he wasn't in the end game episodes he wasn't
• 1:12:57
  he got killed. He didn't get to see the end of
• 1:12:59
  this ghost which he had been chasing for a really long time.
• 1:13:03
  So you're right. That's it's kind of sad that he
• 1:13:05
  didn't get to see the end of this ghost.
• 1:13:09
  No, no. And going back to Sanyong's dad
• 1:13:14
  who was possessed, it looked like he was possessed when she
• 1:13:17
  was a child. Still when yes, yes.
• 1:13:22
  So Kim Teddy's character was still like A5, like 5 years old
• 1:13:25
  and the dad's already possessed and it's because.
• 1:13:28
  So you're saying he was possessed for like 20 years?
• 1:13:32
  That's that's terrifying. But he is.
• 1:13:36
  'Cause he only died recently. Yeah, right.
• 1:13:39
  And The thing is, I think there was.
• 1:13:42
  I guess that's why he hadn't gone blind, you know?
• 1:13:44
  He was like, I'm gonna keep her. I'm just gonna stop.
• 1:13:46
  I'm not going blind. That's why he was still able to
• 1:13:49
  see. But I Yeah, you're absolutely
• 1:13:51
  right. Because wasn't there something
• 1:13:52
  about this being the second born, like the he was a like,
• 1:13:57
  was he afraid of, like them her getting pregnant again?
• 1:14:00
  Or like, I think there was something that was, that's why
• 1:14:04
  his wife, yeah. They didn't.
• 1:14:05
  They didn't like that, right? Because about the other.
• 1:14:08
  Child that was coming, Yeah, that was obviously born.
• 1:14:13
  Yeah, that he's sibling and then the baby died.
• 1:14:17
  That's right. So they didn't go into detail
• 1:14:19
  about that, but I guess we were supposed to just chop that up to
• 1:14:23
  the second born thing again and him being afraid of that because
• 1:14:27
  is that when his wife? When did he kill his wife's
• 1:14:31
  mother? When did he was that?
• 1:14:35
  It was right after, like, she comes back from the hospital
• 1:14:38
  after losing. She's postpartum losing the
• 1:14:40
  baby. Yeah, losing the baby.
• 1:14:42
  And and she finds her mom at the well.
• 1:14:45
  The mom's like stay back, stay back, get get away.
• 1:14:48
  From him, terrifying. And she kills herself, and she
• 1:14:52
  was touched by the evil spirit. So yeah.
• 1:14:56
  And he he had been possessed, yeah.
• 1:14:58
  But it was part of part of, I guess, the ghost wanting to.
• 1:15:03
  Do things for him because he overheard them talking in the
• 1:15:07
  hospital after she lost the baby that oh, you got to get away
• 1:15:11
  from him. She was like advising her
• 1:15:12
  daughter to leave him. Yes.
• 1:15:13
  And so she was like, Oh no, to leave him, you got to get, you
• 1:15:16
  got to go. So the ghost was like, oh
• 1:15:17
  perfect. I can get more more power over
• 1:15:21
  him by killing his mother-in-law and and his wife leaving.
• 1:15:25
  So then all she had to do was stay with him and not having to
• 1:15:28
  worry about his wife. Yeah, she stayed with him for a
• 1:15:32
  long time. Yeah, she did.
• 1:15:34
  Yeah. The ghost was with the dad for
• 1:15:37
  at least 20 years. That's probably the longest.
• 1:15:40
  I mean, I think it makes and, but you know what?
• 1:15:42
  Actually that makes it. Besides the fact that you see
• 1:15:45
  again my other reason why I'm like him going blind, but then.
• 1:15:48
  Why the urgency? But then why the urgency in the
• 1:15:52
  very first episode where you see the dad, like, scrambling to get
• 1:15:54
  in the house? Because he's tried to get rid of
• 1:15:56
  her at one point. Remember?
• 1:15:57
  Like that. Think that was his phase of
• 1:15:59
  trying to get rid of her? Because it was about collecting
• 1:16:01
  those objects and he had gotten close to it.
• 1:16:03
  But then she killed him right at the very end, where he hadn't
• 1:16:06
  finished collecting the objects, so she was always.
• 1:16:09
  I see. So he was provoking her
• 1:16:11
  basically, yes, by trying to hear exactly.
• 1:16:12
  But he had her had her for a long time prior to that, though.
• 1:16:15
  Like, if you think about it, like, well, yeah, so but my
• 1:16:19
  thing is still the whole going blind thing.
• 1:16:23
  It's not necessary still, because I know just you're over
• 1:16:27
  me. And talking about the blindness,
• 1:16:29
  because the whole thing is like, it makes sense that he
• 1:16:33
  specifically wants to keep a ghost around who's from this
• 1:16:36
  specific period because he is a folklore professor himself, this
• 1:16:40
  is of an interest to him. So it's still to him.
• 1:16:42
  He has motivations to kind of be digging deep into this past,
• 1:16:46
  this, this case, and this history of this ghost.
• 1:16:49
  Like all of that is still intriguing to him enough to keep
• 1:16:52
  a ghost around, not him going blind.
• 1:16:54
  So even again, like towards the end, when he's trying to get rid
• 1:16:57
  of her. Why?
• 1:16:59
  I thought you needed her, 'cause you were going blind, you know?
• 1:17:01
  I don't know. I don't get it.
• 1:17:03
  I don't get that. I don't get it.
• 1:17:05
  What was his realization of? Yeah, you.
• 1:17:07
  I can't keep her around anymore. I need to get rid of her.
• 1:17:10
  What was it for him that trigger it?
• 1:17:12
  Uh huh. Because after 20 years, like
• 1:17:14
  what's another 20? Yeah.
• 1:17:15
  What triggered that? Did they show us?
• 1:17:17
  Was it? Yeah.
• 1:17:19
  Him not maybe having a relationship with his family?
• 1:17:22
  Maybe. I don't know.
• 1:17:25
  Weird. They didn't really go through
• 1:17:26
  that. They didn't.
• 1:17:27
  They didn't explain that. Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Or maybe I missed it. I don't know.
• 1:17:30
  I could have missed it. Mm hmm.
• 1:17:33
  Well, I Do you have anything else on your?
• 1:17:36
  I think we hit everything on my nose.
• 1:17:38
  I think we hit more. We talked on my nose more than
• 1:17:41
  my nose, I think. Yeah, I think I'll say my least
• 1:17:47
  favorite ghost of the day story was the apartment building
• 1:17:53
  Ghost. Well, wasn't wasn't haunting the
• 1:17:55
  apartment building. It's just that everyone in the
• 1:17:57
  apartment building was getting fish, yes, that were possessed
• 1:18:01
  and. Then the fish, the fish were
• 1:18:04
  were killing off the owner, the new owners.
• 1:18:07
  It wasn't like students. I was like a like a what.
• 1:18:09
  It was like students, wasn't it? Like in this like apartment.
• 1:18:13
  So it was a loan shark that was targeting these poor college
• 1:18:16
  kids that were living in one of these like shitty ass dorms
• 1:18:20
  which he pausing for them to study.
• 1:18:24
  And he was like making them sign these slave contracts in order
• 1:18:28
  to give them money. And then he owned an aquarium
• 1:18:33
  business. And so every time he signed a
• 1:18:35
  new contract with one of these kids, he would give them a fish.
• 1:18:38
  But the first girl like one of the girls.
• 1:18:41
  Had this possessed photograph. That was crazy.
• 1:18:44
  Of the tree, that was the suicide ghosts.
• 1:18:47
  Yeah, the kids were hanging from.
• 1:18:49
  I mean, that was too much. The kid that was too much.
• 1:18:51
  That was terrifying. But they were like, Oh yeah, the
• 1:18:53
  ghosts of kids. They would hang these.
• 1:18:55
  They wouldn't. Oh, gosh.
• 1:18:56
  OK. OK, I'll get it.
• 1:18:57
  Afraid all over it. They would hang them.
• 1:18:59
  I'm getting scared. They would hang them in these in
• 1:19:02
  these tree. Containers on this tree and I
• 1:19:07
  was like, Oh my God, that is wild.
• 1:19:10
  And then? So this photograph was haunted.
• 1:19:13
  And then she, to get rid of any evidence that she had family,
• 1:19:17
  ripped up the family photograph with the tree in it and fed it
• 1:19:20
  to the fish. The fish got possessed.
• 1:19:22
  Then the fish were given out to the students.
• 1:19:25
  That's why I was like, getting confused.
• 1:19:27
  I was like, this is a lot and that's what you that's why I was
• 1:19:31
  like there was too much ghost of the day.
• 1:19:33
  There was, there was no. I mean, it was too much because
• 1:19:35
  that wasn't intense ghost story for it to be just smacked in the
• 1:19:40
  middle of this story that was already intense.
• 1:19:42
  We already had an intense ghost story to worry about.
• 1:19:45
  I didn't need it. Didn't need it.
• 1:19:47
  Like it didn't need it. Yeah.
• 1:19:48
  So that's why I'm saying, like, there was a lot of stuff that I
• 1:19:52
  just didn't, I didn't jive with. But I do appreciate this quote.
• 1:19:58
  Humans are more terrifying than ghosts.
• 1:20:00
  Yes. And that was, was that son
• 1:20:02
  young? Yes, 'cause she.
• 1:20:06
  I think it, no. I think it was his, his song
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  maybe, 'cause I remember the the song, It's episode two.
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  Yeah, I think it's up to two. And I think it was, I can't
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  Remember Remember when he saw. I mean, yeah, when they were
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  basically with the young boy Ghost and how his own family was
• 1:20:26
  like basically had killed like it was it was horrible and so
• 1:20:29
  when that. Was whole other story see with
• 1:20:32
  the child news and it was locked, the little girl and she
• 1:20:35
  was locked up. It was so, so sad.
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  And so, like, that was a moment, I think, when they were like,
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  this is more horrifying than a ghost.
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  The little boy, I mean, her, her brother was trying to save his
• 1:20:46
  sister. Like he was a ghost trying to
• 1:20:48
  save his sister. Not, you know.
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  He basically killed himself to put, to put, to put the a
• 1:20:53
  spotlight on his family so that they would save the little
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  sister who was being literally kept in like a whole room and
• 1:21:02
  fed scraps and just really maltreated.
• 1:21:06
  And I think that was another was a child's case.
• 1:21:08
  Huge. It was a horrible case, and I
• 1:21:10
  think that was another element to this story of like at the end
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  of the day, the only reason evil ghost can even exist is because
• 1:21:22
  of the evilness of humans. That's the only way that ghost
• 1:21:27
  came to be. And even the girl who herself
• 1:21:30
  becomes a ghost like she would have never been this vengeful
• 1:21:34
  ghost had they not wanted to. As as in the grandmother was not
• 1:21:40
  evil and wanted money and greed and and so she created eventual
• 1:21:45
  ghost like that would have never existed.
• 1:21:47
  So it did kind of circle back on purpose.
• 1:21:50
  It circled back around to like that is who that's that's the
• 1:21:53
  reason this even exists. It's because of evilness in
• 1:21:57
  humans. It's gross.
• 1:22:01
  It's foul. That is actually really cool
• 1:22:03
  that they. I mean it's not cool but I do
• 1:22:05
  like that that is a big element to like ghost, like ghost
• 1:22:08
  stories or like stories about demons.
• 1:22:10
  It's like this only comes to be once something causes this, you
• 1:22:16
  know like this ghost is not like just created out of thin air.
• 1:22:19
  This I like as in this evil ghost or like this demon isn't
• 1:22:22
  just kind of created out of thin air.
• 1:22:24
  There's usually some kind of horrible back story that kind of
• 1:22:28
  triggers the evil to continue. Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  And I think that's always interesting that when a story
• 1:22:35
  kind of analyzes that. So yeah.
• 1:22:38
  Yeah, yeah. So I forgot to ask you what You
• 1:22:43
  rated this show out of five Soldier bottles.
• 1:22:45
  So if you want to do that now, I'll give my I I think I I would
• 1:22:51
  have originally, I think gave it A4 like a like 4 Soldier bottles
• 1:23:01
  because just the performance is just so good and so strong and I
• 1:23:06
  love the beginning and the end so much.
• 1:23:08
  But I will say that it's just too much in the middle there.
• 1:23:13
  That just isn't exactly what I wanted it to be.
• 1:23:18
  So it's like borderline like 3 1/2 Soldier Bottles.
• 1:23:22
  Like, I'm going to be a little rough with it.
• 1:23:23
  I think. Again, I struggle with ratings,
• 1:23:26
  so I this is really kind of arbitrary.
• 1:23:30
  Maybe I give it five, so do bottles.
• 1:23:32
  No, I yeah, I think maybe 3 1/2 I.
• 1:23:36
  I feel you and I'm also going to give it a 3 1/2 Soldier bottles
• 1:23:40
  because it's it, you know, the child abuse case, the tree and
• 1:23:46
  the fish. Like all this stuff is sort of
• 1:23:48
  like there's more where that came from and.
• 1:23:53
  It's it's very convoluted and I don't know maybe if I was Korean
• 1:23:58
  from the homeland, I would, I would understand it better
• 1:24:00
  because that's my culture. I or I understand folklore, this
• 1:24:03
  folklore, but I but I don't. And I've watched a lot of stuff
• 1:24:09
  but this was very different. It was very targeted.
• 1:24:13
  And I'm not going to say it was a bad show.
• 1:24:16
  It's not a bad show. It just was not, yeah,
• 1:24:19
  completely agree. And.
• 1:24:22
  If you're trig, I mean this is really late to be saying this,
• 1:24:24
  but if you're triggered by suicide, child abuse, you know
• 1:24:29
  all these things don't watch. But if you can stomach it, I
• 1:24:35
  would recommend the show. It's it's a decent ghost story.
• 1:24:39
  Multiple ghost stories. There is a mystery that you get
• 1:24:42
  to follow and you at some point you have to see the the you have
• 1:24:46
  to see what how Yeah, you have to the reveal of the mystery.
• 1:24:49
  So I think that is enough to kind of say that it was is a
• 1:24:54
  good watch and then you'll get through it, you will see it to
• 1:24:57
  the end. But there are some points there
• 1:24:59
  that may take you out of it a little bit and feel a little
• 1:25:02
  slow. But yeah, it's worth it.
• 1:25:04
  It is, if you can stomach it. Thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:25:10
  So last minute, Lola, and being really flexible with your time.
• 1:25:14
  Where can people find. So I am on Instagram, Lolo pops
• 1:25:18
  off about K dramas and I have a website blog.
• 1:25:22
  Lolo pops off about kdramas.com and of course you can find my
• 1:25:27
  podcast anywhere that you listen to podcast I I hope to to see
• 1:25:33
  you guys over on that side and over on my side and I am so
• 1:25:38
  grateful as always to be a guest here on day pop.
• 1:25:43
  I am always like the pressure is on, but I felt like it always
• 1:25:49
  feels like pressure because I was like, this is a bit, I'm
• 1:25:51
  like stepping on a big stage here and I just got to make sure
• 1:25:55
  I, you know, don't bomb stage. The spotlight's on.
• 1:25:59
  No, But I love, love being on here with you each time, Jess.
• 1:26:04
  You make it so much fun that we laugh a lot.
• 1:26:06
  It's always a blast. So thank you for having me.
• 1:26:11
  Yes, I'm so glad you feel that way.
• 1:26:13
  This is not just. Like, there's no pressure, I
• 1:26:17
  swear. Like I'm in my.
• 1:26:21
  Yeah, right now, like all your listeners, I just want, you know
• 1:26:24
  that Sage. Yes.
• 1:26:25
  You make it so chill, lay back when we're talking, and then I'm
• 1:26:28
  like, wait a second, other people are gonna hear, this is
• 1:26:31
  not just me and Jess chatting and having a good time.
• 1:26:34
  It's like other people can actually listen to us.
• 1:26:36
  So I remember that, like, right at the end, they're like, gosh,
• 1:26:40
  did I say anything weird or wrong?
• 1:26:43
  Offensive. Let me did I?
• 1:26:46
  But no. Oh my God.
• 1:26:48
  No, no no. You're totally good and I can't
• 1:26:51
  wait to have you back. Lola I and and for me to maybe
• 1:26:54
  go on your own. I I do such a hard time
• 1:26:58
  gathering the courage to ask people to be on my podcast.
• 1:27:01
  But like also the scheduling is just like mayhem.
• 1:27:05
  So I'm always like I don't want to.
• 1:27:08
  You don't. You don't have to tell me how.
• 1:27:11
  Yes, the schedule podcast it is so worse.
• 1:27:14
  Yeah it's a scheduling it's it's like I don't, I don't want to
• 1:27:17
  like jump in when it's like a busy time for people.
• 1:27:19
  And then I'm like if you, I don't want you to feel pressure
• 1:27:21
  to say like say no if you need to.
• 1:27:23
  You know I'm always like, I I'm like it's like jump roping like
• 1:27:27
  double Dutch like I'm like always going to do it and then I
• 1:27:29
  like find some way to not jump in and like so yeah I got to do
• 1:27:33
  I got to do it. I got to do more I got to have
• 1:27:35
  more guests on. I would love.
• 1:27:37
  I would love to have you. The guest In the meantime, go
• 1:27:41
  and follow Lola and listen to her podcast.
• 1:27:43
  She is so great and she watches so many currently airing dramas.
• 1:27:47
  I know you guys want me to watch every currently airing drama.
• 1:27:50
  I sorry that I can't. But Lola does her.
• 1:27:52
  I fast. I do.
• 1:27:54
  Watch everything that comes out. Yeah, you're really good about
• 1:27:58
  that. So she's a great resource and a
• 1:28:01
  great friend to chat dramas with as well.
• 1:28:03
  So I think that's it. That's it for spooky season.
• 1:28:07
  Thank you for being here. And that's been our show.
• 1:28:10
  I'm Jessica and this has been the Tabaki Rambos Podcast.