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Where is Zac? · River City Mystery - Investigating mysteries in southern Indiana, southern Illinois, and western Kentucky

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  Speaker: He was the type of sibling, I guess, where I could go, you
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  Speaker: know, a couple a week or so without talking to him, and then
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  Speaker: he would just show up at my house and he'd be like, I just
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  Speaker: wanted to come check on you.
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  Speaker: And so all the time, I just feel like, you know, maybe I'm just
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  Speaker: going to come home one day and then he'll, he'll just be here
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  Speaker: to check on me.
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  Speaker: Law office worker by day.
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  Speaker: Insomniac.
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  Speaker: Researcher of the unknown.
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  Speaker: By night.
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  Speaker: Matt.
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  Speaker: Deig.
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  Speaker: He lost his job in January.
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  Speaker: And then I think he just didn't have purpose.
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  Speaker: That's what he did.
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  Speaker: He got up, he went to work.
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  Speaker: He worked all day.
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  Speaker: He rode his moped back to wherever he was going and was
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  Speaker: usually Chris's garage.
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  Speaker: Or he would come here, he might go to his sister's.
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  Speaker: I mean, I'd wake up and he was asleep on the floor next to me.
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  Speaker: Zachary stopped taking his meds
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  Speaker: or he wasn't getting a regular
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  Speaker: one because I was starting to
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  Speaker: notice.
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  Speaker: If you know somebody that's schizophrenic and they're on
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  Speaker: medication, you know, if they're not on medication or something's
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  Speaker: not right with them.
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  Speaker: He's a grown man.
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  Speaker: You know, it's really hard to
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  Speaker: take Mama telling you what to do
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  Speaker: at that age, you know what I
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  Speaker: mean?
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  Speaker: So it was just I was watching.
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  Speaker: I talked to him one day and he
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  Speaker: said, I just don't have any
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  Speaker: reason to have a schedule right
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  Speaker: now.
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  Speaker: I said, yeah, you do.
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  Speaker: You can come out here and you can do work out here that me and
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  Speaker: grandma need that.
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  Speaker: And then he, him and Eric, uh,
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  Speaker: got a job for about a week or
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  Speaker: two in Mount Vernon, and they
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  Speaker: were riding their mount, uh,
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  Speaker: mopeds down there and helping
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  Speaker: this lady whose apartment had
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  Speaker: caught fire.
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  Speaker: And they were getting it,
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  Speaker: cleaning it up after the
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  Speaker: incident for the insurance
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  Speaker: company.
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  Speaker: They made him a couple hundred dollars a piece, you know.
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  Speaker: Um, Memorial weekend, I was it was like Thursday night.
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  Speaker: He was headed home from here.
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  Speaker: And it was after dark.
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  Speaker: And, uh, they pulled him over and his plates had expired.
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  Speaker: It's not like we had any big Memorial Day plans or anything.
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  Speaker: I'd come get him if he wanted to come out.
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  Speaker: Whatever.
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  Speaker: Well, he would text me.
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  Speaker: Hey, you need to watch this show on this channel or, uh.
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  Speaker: have you seen this one?
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  Speaker: You know, and then I would do the same to him.
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  Speaker: So it was kind of like that kind of chit chat a lot of time, you
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  Speaker: know, for most of the weekend.
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  Speaker: It's not a big talker anyways.
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  Speaker: Then he said something about he could pay for it online.
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  Speaker: Yes.
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  Speaker: I was questioning him.
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  Speaker: Uh, how much it was going to
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  Speaker: cost, blah, blah, blah, you
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  Speaker: know?
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  Speaker: So then he said he could do it online.
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  Speaker: So my mom was going to be in town that day.
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  Speaker: I don't know what she was doing.
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  Speaker: And she took eighty dollars back to him.
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  Speaker: And that was like late Sunday afternoon.
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  Speaker: He told her, he said, grandma,
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  Speaker: I'll see you Tuesday or
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  Speaker: Wednesday.
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  Speaker: He'd work it off.
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  Speaker: You know, he he wasn't he didn't like to be.
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  Speaker: He he didn't want any money from us, you know.
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  Speaker: And she said, well, I needed you need you to do something
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  Speaker: upstairs because he's the only one that could get upstairs.
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  Speaker: I have trouble getting upstairs and that kind of thing.
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  Speaker: So something she wanted him to do and he says, think, grandma,
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  Speaker: that's what we'll do.
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  Speaker: I can't believe he didn't call her and say, I can't come or
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  Speaker: yeah, you know, I just yeah, he told her, he told, uh, Rachel
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  Speaker: that he was going to check in on Cecilia because Rachel was going
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  Speaker: on a retreat in Kentucky and he didn't do it.
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  Speaker: That was a clip from my conversation with Gina, the
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  Speaker: mother of thirty eight year old Zachary Carey, who's been
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  Speaker: missing since May thirtieth, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker: Zachary was last seen when his best friend Chris, dropped him
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  Speaker: off at the Lynnville Indiana welcome sign, and his family has
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  Speaker: not heard from him since then.
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  Speaker: His mom went on to tell me that
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  Speaker: it wasn't unusual for Zachary to
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  Speaker: go off into the woods and
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  Speaker: disappear for several days and
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  Speaker: to to make his way back home or
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  Speaker: wherever he was living at that
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  Speaker: time.
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  Speaker: He loved being out in nature,
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  Speaker: but it is highly unusual for him
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  Speaker: to disappear for this long for
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  Speaker: this number of months by this
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  Speaker: point.
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  Speaker: So the family is very concerned about Zachary's well-being and
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  Speaker: want to make the public aware that Zachary may be out there.
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  Speaker: And for people to keep an eye out.
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  Speaker: I also had the opportunity to
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  Speaker: speak with Cecilia, who is
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  Speaker: Zach's sister, and Cecilia
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  Speaker: filled me in a little more on
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  Speaker: Zachary's background and some of
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  Speaker: the circumstances surrounding
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  Speaker: his disappearance.
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  Speaker: Um, well, my brother, he's he's my older brother.
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  Speaker: He's fifteen years older than me.
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  Speaker: And I know when I was a baby, he
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  Speaker: had gone to prison and he was
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  Speaker: there.
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  Speaker: I want to say like eight years.
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  Speaker: I don't know for sure, but my mom probably would.
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  Speaker: And, um, when he got out, he, you know, moved back home with
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  Speaker: me and my mom, you know, got his life back together.
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  Speaker: Um, and he's always been the type of person who's very quiet.
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  Speaker: He's not, um, not a very big people person.
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  Speaker: Um, he just likes to keep to himself.
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  Speaker: Um, but he is, he is nice.
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  Speaker: You know, he's he's not mean.
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  Speaker: He looks mean, but he's not.
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  Speaker: And, and um, he, he went back to college and he became a welder.
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  Speaker: He went to Nashville like something tech in Nashville.
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  Speaker: And he got, he became older.
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  Speaker: So he did get his life back on track.
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  Speaker: And, um, and then he was doing really good.
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  Speaker: He was staying with his friend Chris.
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  Speaker: And, um, he had like a nice job
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  Speaker: as a welder and, you know, he
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  Speaker: was just doing really good for
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  Speaker: himself.
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  Speaker: And then I guess at some point, I don't know if, um, because he
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  Speaker: also has, um, schizophrenia, like he also has like mental,
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  Speaker: um, issues, I guess I'm not sure how to word that.
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  Speaker: Um, and I don't know if at some
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  Speaker: point he quit taking his
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  Speaker: medicine or what happened, but
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  Speaker: we do know that he kind of had a
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  Speaker: little bit of like a mental
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  Speaker: break.
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  Speaker: Um, and he, I think it stemmed from losing his job.
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  Speaker: He ended up losing his job as a welder.
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  Speaker: Um, he just he is still a welder.
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  Speaker: He just lost the job that he was at.
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  Speaker: Um, and then it kind of spiraled
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  Speaker: from there, like about a month
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  Speaker: after, um, he lost his job, our
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  Speaker: niece overdosed and she passed
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  Speaker: away.
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  Speaker: She was nineteen.
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  Speaker: Oh, and I know that that kind of affected him too.
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  Speaker: And I think it was just the timing was bad.
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  Speaker: He was already kind of in like a hole.
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  Speaker: Um, and so shortly after our
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  Speaker: niece passed away, he came to my
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  Speaker: house and spoke to my older
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  Speaker: sister.
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  Speaker: She was living with me at the time.
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  Speaker: Um, and him and her are closer in age and they've always been,
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  Speaker: you know, really close.
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  Speaker: And um, he told her that he, you
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  Speaker: know, was feeling kind of
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  Speaker: suicidal.
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  Speaker: Um, he kind of felt like he didn't have much to live for.
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  Speaker: He was, you know, a grown man.
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  Speaker: He was not married.
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  Speaker: He doesn't have kids.
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  Speaker: Um, and he was just kind of in a, not in a good place mentally.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: Um, and I didn't know what my sister talked to him and, um,
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  Speaker: and, you know, at the end of the conversation, he felt much
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  Speaker: better and he was like, okay, I'm going to gonna go.
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  Speaker: Um, he did say something along the lines of like, um, because
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  Speaker: he's always, since he is so much older than me, um, he's always
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  Speaker: seen himself as kind of like a father figure to me.
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  Speaker: More of like my older brother.
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  Speaker: He's always kind of been that, that role.
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  Speaker: And so he was like, you know,
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  Speaker: he's grown up now, you know, she
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  Speaker: doesn't need me to take care of
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  Speaker: her anymore.
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  Speaker: And he was just, you know, talking like that.
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  Speaker: And then that was the last time that we saw him.
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  Speaker: Um, he after that, he was like,
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  Speaker: I'm just, I'm just going to go
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  Speaker: home.
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  Speaker: Um, and I do know my brother, we're, we're native American.
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  Speaker: And so we're, you know, it's, it's in our tribe and our
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  Speaker: culture, you know, we're taught to be so close to the earth.
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  Speaker: And, um, when he is stressed out or, you know, feeling certain,
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  Speaker: you know, that way mentally, one of the things he does is he does
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  Speaker: love to go in and immerse himself in nature.
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  Speaker: Like he loves to go camping and
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  Speaker: he loves to just walk around in
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  Speaker: the woods and, you know, fishing
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  Speaker: and stuff.
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  Speaker: Like he's very outdoorsy and,
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  Speaker: um, and it is normal for him if
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  Speaker: he's feeling, you know, some
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  Speaker: type of way or even if he's
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  Speaker: happy, he just loves to be
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  Speaker: outside.
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  Speaker: Um, and so he is kind of like, um, what's it called?
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  Speaker: Um, like a survivalist.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: Survivalist.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: Because he, he really likes that
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  Speaker: he can go outside and like be in
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  Speaker: the woods for like a week with
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  Speaker: like nothing.
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  Speaker: He loves living off the land.
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  Speaker: Mhm.
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  Speaker: Um, and it's also normal for him
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  Speaker: to go and do that for like long
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  Speaker: periods.
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  Speaker: So when we didn't hear from him
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  Speaker: for a week after knowing he was
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  Speaker: upset, we all kind of just
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  Speaker: assumed that that's what he was
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  Speaker: doing.
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  Speaker: But it was weird to us because he never told us.
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  Speaker: And especially being gone for so long, he if he doesn't tell us
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  Speaker: where he's at, he tells us how long he's going to be away or
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  Speaker: he'll tell us where he's coming back or he'll check in, you
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  Speaker: know, so not so like a week went by and, you know, my sister was
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  Speaker: like, I'm starting to get worried because last time I
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  Speaker: talked, he was upset.
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  Speaker: And now he hasn't answered any of us in a week.
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  Speaker: Um, he didn't tell us where he
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  Speaker: was going, and then we, um, we
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  Speaker: all made the decision that we
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  Speaker: should call the police because,
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  Speaker: you know, like it was it just
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  Speaker: didn't, it didn't seem like him
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  Speaker: to not tell us what was going
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  Speaker: on.
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  Speaker: And then that's when we found out that, um, his friend had
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  Speaker: actually, I guess, I guess after leaving my house and talking to
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  Speaker: my sister, he had gone home and spoke to his friend.
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  Speaker: And from what I've gathered, because I know I told you that
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  Speaker: his friend wasn't very cooperative, so I didn't.
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  Speaker: We don't have the his friends full side of the story, but from
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  Speaker: what we've gathered, he told his friend the same thing that he
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  Speaker: was feeling suicidal and that he kind of wanted to go to the
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  Speaker: woods to be by himself, but potentially because that's where
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  Speaker: he wanted to end his life out.
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  Speaker: And personally, I feel like if you're someone's friend and they
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  Speaker: tell you that you shouldn't take them to the woods to do what
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  Speaker: they want to do.
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  Speaker: But from what I've gathered, that's what the friend did.
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  Speaker: He said, if this is what you
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  Speaker: want, I'll take you to the
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  Speaker: woods.
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  Speaker: He supposedly my brother,
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  Speaker: supposedly with his friend, left
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  Speaker: his friend, his wallet, his his
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  Speaker: cell phone, um, like just his
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  Speaker: personal belongings he
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  Speaker: supposedly left in it with his
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  Speaker: friend.
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  Speaker: Uh, but I know once we called the police and once the police
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  Speaker: talked to the friend and they found out that the friend had
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  Speaker: dropped him off in lynnville, they had done searching and they
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  Speaker: had found my brother's cell phone by the welcome to
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  Speaker: Lynnville sign like off the highway in Lynnville.
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  Speaker: Um, and I don't know if it
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  Speaker: because at this point it was out
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  Speaker: there for days, so I don't know
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  Speaker: if it worked or if they found
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  Speaker: anything.
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  Speaker: We don't know about that.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And how many days after the after he was dropped off at the
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  Speaker: sign was the phone found?
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  Speaker: Um, I have I want to say I want to say Heber missing.
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  Speaker: He was gone for like, I think it
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  Speaker: was four or five days before we
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  Speaker: were like, this doesn't feel
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  Speaker: right.
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  Speaker: And then I want to say it was
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  Speaker: like the day after they found
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  Speaker: the phone.
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  Speaker: So maybe like, okay, six days
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  Speaker: after he had been dropped off
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  Speaker: because apparently.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker: No, I was just wondering if if
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  Speaker: there was any tracking devices
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  Speaker: on the phone or anything that
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  Speaker: anyone was able to find out if
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  Speaker: like, where was that phone for
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  Speaker: that period of time or, you
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  Speaker: know, dropped off there the day
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  Speaker: before or, you know, that kind
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  Speaker: of thing?
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  Speaker: No, they think that it was dropped off.
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  Speaker: Like when he was dropped off in Munnsville where thinking he was
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  Speaker: dropped off around that sign and either he just dropped his phone
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  Speaker: or he just purposely placed his phone there because it wasn't,
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  Speaker: it was just sitting by the sign.
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  Speaker: Like it was kind of just sitting
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  Speaker: like someone had just put it
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  Speaker: there.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: So not like somebody flung it
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  Speaker: out of a window or something
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  Speaker: like that.
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  Speaker: It was like placed there.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: It was like placed there.
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: So we're thinking that when he went, we're thinking that he was
• 12:38
  Speaker: dropped off at Lynnville.
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  Speaker: He went into the woods.
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  Speaker: Um, and then he probably just got his phone right there before
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  Speaker: going into the woods.
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  Speaker: Um, okay.
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  Speaker: And then so it was probably out
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  Speaker: there for probably five or six
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  Speaker: days before, before anyone got
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  Speaker: to it.
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  Speaker: And I don't, I don't know if it
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  Speaker: worked or not or if the police
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  Speaker: were able to find like tracking
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  Speaker: on it.
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  Speaker: Um, I asked my mom if she knows
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  Speaker: that, but I haven't been asked
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  Speaker: that.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: Okay.
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  Speaker: And it's not on like unusual for him just to kind of go off and
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  Speaker: be in the woods by himself and yeah, be a survival.
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  Speaker: But after a period of days and weeks, it comes like, okay, how
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  Speaker: can someone support themselves for that long?
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  Speaker: And, you know, for and yeah, why
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  Speaker: would they not reach back out to
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  Speaker: you guys?
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  Speaker: Yeah.
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  Speaker: And he always like, he, he was always very good.
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  Speaker: He would tell us where he's going and like, like how long he
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  Speaker: planned to be gone, you know, like he'd be like, oh, like I'm
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  Speaker: going, you know, to the state park for, for a week.
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  Speaker: You know, I'll be back, you know, this day.
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  Speaker: Right.
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  Speaker: And, and we might not hear from him during that week, but he
• 13:41
  Speaker: told us when he should be back.
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  Speaker: Um, and or he would go ahead and go, but then call us and be
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  Speaker: like, oh, hey, I'm here.
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  Speaker: Um, not, you know, this is how long I might stay.
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  Speaker: If I stay longer, I'll give you guys a call.
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  Speaker: So it was always something along those lines.
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  Speaker: Um, and this time he, it was
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  Speaker: very worrisome because he didn't
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  Speaker: tell us.
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  Speaker: And also the last time anyone
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  Speaker: had talked to him, he was
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  Speaker: feeling suicidal.
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  Speaker: And so to not to not know where
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  Speaker: he went and, and then to later
• 14:08
  Speaker: find out his plans, it was just
• 14:09
  Speaker: very scary.
• 14:11
  Speaker: So if you guys talk had many conversations with the his
• 14:14
  Speaker: friend who dropped him off at the sign about this.
• 14:17
  Speaker: So his friend, um, he it's,
• 14:20
  Speaker: it's, that's like a whole nother
• 14:21
  Speaker: can of worms because his friend,
• 14:23
  Speaker: it was like their childhood,
• 14:25
  Speaker: they've been friends since they
• 14:26
  Speaker: were kids.
• 14:27
  Speaker: And so Chris is actually like a close family friend.
• 14:30
  Speaker: So when we found out that Chris was kind of involved and was
• 14:33
  Speaker: kind of the person who dropped him off, it was kind of like,
• 14:37
  Speaker: like a stab in the in the, in the back sort of way.
• 14:40
  Speaker: Because you, you know, we kind of I kind of saw him as like my
• 14:43
  Speaker: brother too, like I've known him my whole life type of deal.
• 14:46
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 14:46
  Speaker: And if that's your best friend, you know, why would you enable
• 14:50
  Speaker: him to commit suicide or to do something like that?
• 14:53
  Speaker: Um, and then when the police got involved, I know before, like in
• 14:58
  Speaker: the very, very beginning, my mom had tried to call Chris and
• 15:02
  Speaker: like, ask like, hey, have you heard from Zach?
• 15:04
  Speaker: And he would tell her like, no,
• 15:06
  Speaker: I haven't seen him in a couple
• 15:07
  Speaker: of days.
• 15:07
  Speaker: You know, I kind of just think
• 15:08
  Speaker: he's probably out in the woods
• 15:09
  Speaker: or something.
• 15:10
  Speaker: And then when the police got
• 15:11
  Speaker: involved, he became very
• 15:13
  Speaker: uncooperative.
• 15:13
  Speaker: And the police even stated that,
• 15:15
  Speaker: like they're having a very hard
• 15:16
  Speaker: time getting any information out
• 15:17
  Speaker: of him.
• 15:18
  Speaker: And then at some point when the search and rescue happened, they
• 15:21
  Speaker: needed, um, like Zach's clothes for like the scent dogs.
• 15:26
  Speaker: And I know that my sisters and I have gone to Chris's house to
• 15:29
  Speaker: ask because he lived with Chris.
• 15:31
  Speaker: So we had to, you know, ask him if we could, you know, get some
• 15:33
  Speaker: of his clothes.
• 15:34
  Speaker: And he told us no. He was like, I'm not letting you in.
• 15:37
  Speaker: You cannot have any of his belongings.
• 15:40
  Speaker: Um, and the cops had actually
• 15:41
  Speaker: gotten called because he was
• 15:43
  Speaker: just outside of us, you know,
• 15:47
  Speaker: feeling how we feel betrayed and
• 15:49
  Speaker: angry.
• 15:49
  Speaker: And, you know, if this is your friend, why aren't you helping
• 15:52
  Speaker: find him in any way you can?
• 15:54
  Speaker: Right.
• 15:54
  Speaker: Um, he did also call the police because technically, since Zach
• 15:59
  Speaker: lived with him and his things were left in Chris's care.
• 16:02
  Speaker: Chris did not have to give us anything for the scent dogs.
• 16:06
  Speaker: Um, and he actually didn't.
• 16:07
  Speaker: He did not give the police any
• 16:09
  Speaker: of Zach's clothes for the search
• 16:10
  Speaker: and rescue.
• 16:11
  Speaker: So the only thing that they
• 16:12
  Speaker: could use was Zachary's wallet
• 16:15
  Speaker: that they had confiscated from
• 16:16
  Speaker: Chris.
• 16:17
  Speaker: And at that point, once the police got it, it had been in
• 16:20
  Speaker: Chris's care for like a week and who knows who touched it.
• 16:25
  Speaker: So the police were even like, we
• 16:26
  Speaker: don't think this is going to
• 16:27
  Speaker: have a strong enough sense for
• 16:29
  Speaker: the dogs.
• 16:30
  Speaker: So yeah, so as far as Chris
• 16:31
  Speaker: goes, he's he's pretty
• 16:33
  Speaker: uncooperative.
• 16:34
  Speaker: I do know that they, um, had got warrants for him and his wife's
• 16:38
  Speaker: phone because they, um, we don't know what the texts say because
• 16:43
  Speaker: the police, you know, can't tell us some of those things.
• 16:46
  Speaker: Sure.
• 16:46
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker: But the police did tell my mom that they did find some pretty
• 16:51
  Speaker: suspicious text messages on Chris Chris's phone.
• 16:54
  Speaker: Um, they did not tell her what
• 16:55
  Speaker: they said or who they were to or
• 16:57
  Speaker: who they were from, but they did
• 16:58
  Speaker: say that, and they said it was
• 17:00
  Speaker: enough that they got another
• 17:01
  Speaker: warrant to search his wife's
• 17:02
  Speaker: phone.
• 17:03
  Speaker: Okay.
• 17:05
  Speaker: Your brother was Zach renting
• 17:07
  Speaker: from because you said they were
• 17:08
  Speaker: living together.
• 17:09
  Speaker: Was he, like, living there?
• 17:11
  Speaker: Uh, there was some sort of agreement to rent or something.
• 17:14
  Speaker: I think so.
• 17:15
  Speaker: Um, I think Zachary was paying rent because it was like Chris
• 17:19
  Speaker: and his family lived in the house, and then they had, like,
• 17:22
  Speaker: a garage in the back that Zach had turned into, like, his home.
• 17:26
  Speaker: So kind of like a little studio situation going on back there.
• 17:29
  Speaker: And so I think I think he was paying rent to Chris.
• 17:32
  Speaker: Did Zach have any pets?
• 17:35
  Speaker: Yes he did.
• 17:36
  Speaker: He had a dog and his dog's name was cutter.
• 17:39
  Speaker: And he was.
• 17:40
  Speaker: He was a pit bull mix, I think.
• 17:43
  Speaker: Just like your average.
• 17:44
  Speaker: Average.
• 17:45
  Speaker: Like mixed breed dog.
• 17:47
  Speaker: Um, I know after he went
• 17:49
  Speaker: missing, that was our big
• 17:50
  Speaker: concern.
• 17:50
  Speaker: We were like, who's taking care of Zach's dog?
• 17:53
  Speaker: Um, and Chris, my mom had
• 17:56
  Speaker: reached out to Chris and was
• 17:57
  Speaker: like, hey, you know, we can take
• 17:59
  Speaker: him.
• 17:59
  Speaker: We, you know, cc Rachel me like
• 18:02
  Speaker: someone can take care of the dog
• 18:04
  Speaker: until we find him until he comes
• 18:05
  Speaker: home.
• 18:06
  Speaker: Um, and Chris would not give us the dog.
• 18:08
  Speaker: And, um, he actually gave the
• 18:10
  Speaker: dog to the humane society and we
• 18:13
  Speaker: tried to get him out, but when,
• 18:15
  Speaker: when the dog went into the main
• 18:17
  Speaker: society, you know, he was
• 18:18
  Speaker: scared, he didn't know what was
• 18:20
  Speaker: going on.
• 18:21
  Speaker: And um, and he, I guess he ended
• 18:22
  Speaker: up biting one of the like
• 18:23
  Speaker: handlers there.
• 18:25
  Speaker: And so they put him on the, the, the, the list to be put down.
• 18:29
  Speaker: Um, and I'm, I know we tried to
• 18:32
  Speaker: adopt him, but then when we
• 18:35
  Speaker: tried, they told us that there
• 18:36
  Speaker: was a very good chance they
• 18:37
  Speaker: weren't even going to let him be
• 18:38
  Speaker: adopted because he had bitten
• 18:39
  Speaker: someone.
• 18:40
  Speaker: And what I'm kind of thinking is
• 18:41
  Speaker: that if, if he was wanting to go
• 18:43
  Speaker: kind of just go live his own
• 18:45
  Speaker: survivalist lifestyle in the
• 18:47
  Speaker: woods, if he had planned that
• 18:48
  Speaker: out, would would he have taken
• 18:50
  Speaker: cutter with him, or would he or
• 18:52
  Speaker: would he have left the dog
• 18:54
  Speaker: behind for someone else to take
• 18:55
  Speaker: care of so he could go live
• 18:56
  Speaker: alone?
• 18:57
  Speaker: Like what would be, would that
• 18:58
  Speaker: would that be something he would
• 19:00
  Speaker: do?
• 19:00
  Speaker: Yeah, I know, I know, especially
• 19:02
  Speaker: in the summertime, they would
• 19:04
  Speaker: usually the dog would go with
• 19:06
  Speaker: him.
• 19:06
  Speaker: Um, I know this happened around the summertime and I think it
• 19:10
  Speaker: also depends on how long he planned to be gone, you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker: because I think if he planned to be gone for a while, he probably
• 19:15
  Speaker: wouldn't have taken the dog.
• 19:17
  Speaker: But I know that there were times
• 19:18
  Speaker: where he would take cutter with
• 19:19
  Speaker: him.
• 19:20
  Speaker: MM. And have there.
• 19:21
  Speaker: That's a good point.
• 19:22
  Speaker: Do you have not thought about that?
• 19:24
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker: I mean if if they were really
• 19:26
  Speaker: close you know and you know
• 19:28
  Speaker: you're going to take a long trip
• 19:29
  Speaker: somewhere, you might bring your
• 19:30
  Speaker: dog.
• 19:30
  Speaker: But then, like you said, if if it's too long, then you have to
• 19:33
  Speaker: take care of two.
• 19:33
  Speaker: I don't know.
• 19:34
  Speaker: I was just thinking, plan something out and you were close
• 19:36
  Speaker: to your pet.
• 19:37
  Speaker: It seems like you'd have some kind of game plan for that.
• 19:40
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker: And he really.
• 19:42
  Speaker: He really did love his dog, also his companion.
• 19:46
  Speaker: And so that was another thing for us was we were like, he
• 19:49
  Speaker: wouldn't just leave it behind.
• 19:51
  Speaker: Right.
• 19:51
  Speaker: And he especially wouldn't want to wouldn't have wanted Chris to
• 19:54
  Speaker: give him to the Humane Society.
• 19:57
  Speaker: Right.
• 19:57
  Speaker: And have there been like sightings of Zac anywhere since
• 20:02
  Speaker: since anyone's heard from him?
• 20:04
  Speaker: Yes and no. We've had a lot of people, like random people will
• 20:09
  Speaker: just text us and say like, hey, I think I saw your brother.
• 20:12
  Speaker: I think he's here.
• 20:13
  Speaker: And we always look into it and
• 20:15
  Speaker: it's either him or it's just
• 20:18
  Speaker: there's, it just is not a good
• 20:21
  Speaker: lead, I guess, because a lot of
• 20:23
  Speaker: random people do text us and
• 20:24
  Speaker: say, you know, oh, I think I saw
• 20:26
  Speaker: him at Walmart or I think I saw
• 20:27
  Speaker: him here.
• 20:27
  Speaker: And but it's never, it's never true.
• 20:30
  Speaker: And, or it's, you know, someone
• 20:31
  Speaker: who could just look like him or
• 20:34
  Speaker: it's just random people texting
• 20:35
  Speaker: us.
• 20:36
  Speaker: Um, there was one, I guess, kind
• 20:38
  Speaker: of recently, one of Zachary's
• 20:40
  Speaker: old co-workers from his welding
• 20:42
  Speaker: job was driving by the Marina,
• 20:44
  Speaker: and they said that he thought he
• 20:47
  Speaker: saw Zachary walking, like from
• 20:49
  Speaker: the Marina.
• 20:50
  Speaker: And so he called my older sister, and my older sister
• 20:53
  Speaker: said, well, if you because, you know, since it was his coworker,
• 20:56
  Speaker: we were like, well, he would he obviously knows Zach.
• 20:58
  Speaker: So he would recognize Zach on the street.
• 21:00
  Speaker: So my sister said, you need to call the Warrick County Police.
• 21:03
  Speaker: And if you think you saw him, you need to tell them that.
• 21:06
  Speaker: And I I'm assuming he did call them because I know that they
• 21:10
  Speaker: had talked to my mom about going to the Marina and reviewing
• 21:14
  Speaker: cameras, but we never really heard back from them.
• 21:17
  Speaker: They said that they were treating it as a real sighting,
• 21:20
  Speaker: but in the camera footage, I guess you couldn't see his face.
• 21:23
  Speaker: That's about the only sighting.
• 21:26
  Speaker: Maybe it's kind of a maybe because it's like the coworker
• 21:29
  Speaker: says, it's him.
• 21:30
  Speaker: The police said that they're treating it as a real sighting,
• 21:32
  Speaker: but also they couldn't verify that it was him.
• 21:36
  Speaker: Um, a couple weeks ago, actually, someone again had had
• 21:39
  Speaker: called my mom or my sister and said, hey, I think I see Zach.
• 21:42
  Speaker: I think he is in Kentucky.
• 21:45
  Speaker: And so we all drove to because
• 21:46
  Speaker: they gave us like an exact
• 21:47
  Speaker: place.
• 21:48
  Speaker: They were like, he's living at.
• 21:50
  Speaker: Like, there was like a kind of like one of those tent cities
• 21:53
  Speaker: for the homeless, right?
• 21:55
  Speaker: Um, they were like, he's staying in a tent behind this hotel and
• 21:58
  Speaker: it's by the smoke shop and he frequents the smoke shop.
• 22:01
  Speaker: So we all drove down there.
• 22:03
  Speaker: We went to this place where
• 22:05
  Speaker: people were camping in their
• 22:07
  Speaker: tents.
• 22:08
  Speaker: We didn't see him.
• 22:09
  Speaker: We asked around.
• 22:10
  Speaker: Most people said that they did not see him.
• 22:13
  Speaker: We were showing his pictures.
• 22:14
  Speaker: There was one man, the the guy
• 22:16
  Speaker: who was a cashier at the smoke
• 22:17
  Speaker: shop.
• 22:18
  Speaker: He said that that that the man in the picture looks familiar,
• 22:21
  Speaker: that he feels like he has seen that man before, but he didn't
• 22:23
  Speaker: give us a specific.
• 22:25
  Speaker: Yes, I see this man.
• 22:26
  Speaker: He comes in every day.
• 22:27
  Speaker: Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker: Or, you know, um, so that was a that was as far as we got there.
• 22:31
  Speaker: And again, it was kind of just one of those empty leads.
• 22:35
  Speaker: Like we don't know if it's true,
• 22:36
  Speaker: but again, that was very
• 22:37
  Speaker: specific.
• 22:37
  Speaker: And at this point, so many people text us and say, oh, we
• 22:41
  Speaker: think we saw him.
• 22:42
  Speaker: You know, it's like, we can't call the police every single
• 22:44
  Speaker: time because then the police are just going to think we're crazy
• 22:46
  Speaker: because we're calling them so much with all these people who
• 22:49
  Speaker: say they see him.
• 22:50
  Speaker: And so that's kind of why we
• 22:51
  Speaker: chose to go and check it out
• 22:52
  Speaker: ourselves before, because that's
• 22:54
  Speaker: also in Kentucky, we'd have to
• 22:55
  Speaker: get the Kentucky police
• 22:56
  Speaker: involved.
• 22:57
  Speaker: You don't know what rabbit holes to jump down because it's like,
• 23:00
  Speaker: is this a missing person?
• 23:01
  Speaker: Is he wanting to not be found?
• 23:03
  Speaker: And he's like actively trying to avoid being caught, which makes
• 23:07
  Speaker: it even more difficult.
• 23:08
  Speaker: Or did he choose to end things himself?
• 23:12
  Speaker: Or is there something like, did he have any enemies?
• 23:14
  Speaker: Um, like, would somebody have,
• 23:16
  Speaker: you know, that he got into it
• 23:16
  Speaker: with somebody?
• 23:17
  Speaker: But I mean, everything is on the table.
• 23:19
  Speaker: I guess it is.
• 23:21
  Speaker: And I know, um, when, when he first went missing, They the
• 23:25
  Speaker: police kind of told us like, you know, like he's a grown man.
• 23:27
  Speaker: He has a past.
• 23:29
  Speaker: Um, he he was an addict in his past.
• 23:32
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 23:32
  Speaker: Um, and so they were like, you
• 23:34
  Speaker: know, there's a very good chance
• 23:35
  Speaker: maybe he's just using again and
• 23:36
  Speaker: maybe he's just strung out
• 23:38
  Speaker: somewhere.
• 23:39
  Speaker: Right.
• 23:40
  Speaker: Um, and, and a lot of the people
• 23:41
  Speaker: who say that they see him, it
• 23:43
  Speaker: kind of follows that in the
• 23:45
  Speaker: sense that he might just be
• 23:47
  Speaker: strung out in, in a homeless
• 23:48
  Speaker: camp.
• 23:49
  Speaker: Uh, I really hope that's, that's not it.
• 23:51
  Speaker: But also that sounds better than
• 23:53
  Speaker: my brother killing himself in
• 23:54
  Speaker: the woods.
• 23:55
  Speaker: And then the only reason that we
• 23:58
  Speaker: were worried that he may have
• 23:59
  Speaker: committed suicide is because of
• 24:01
  Speaker: the way that he was talking, and
• 24:02
  Speaker: because of the fact that he did
• 24:04
  Speaker: not tell us he was going
• 24:05
  Speaker: anywhere.
• 24:06
  Speaker: And then his friend ended up being a very sketchy character
• 24:10
  Speaker: in his disappearance.
• 24:11
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 24:12
  Speaker: Um, I personally think that
• 24:14
  Speaker: Chris knows a lot more than what
• 24:16
  Speaker: he's telling us, and so I don't
• 24:18
  Speaker: know.
• 24:18
  Speaker: Um, I really, I, I pray and I pray every night that he is
• 24:22
  Speaker: alive And again, I don't I don't wish that he's strung out in a
• 24:26
  Speaker: homeless camp, but that's better than the alternative.
• 24:29
  Speaker: If he were to have taken off somewhere and to be, would you.
• 24:32
  Speaker: Do you guys have an idea where he may go to?
• 24:34
  Speaker: Like, where would be his place that he would escape to and kind
• 24:37
  Speaker: of blend in with society?
• 24:39
  Speaker: Would you just kind of is he
• 24:40
  Speaker: comfortable with that society of
• 24:43
  Speaker: like the homeless camps and
• 24:46
  Speaker: homeless shelters, like where
• 24:47
  Speaker: you could literally live off the
• 24:48
  Speaker: grid?
• 24:48
  Speaker: Because, I mean, he has no phone.
• 24:50
  Speaker: He doesn't have money wallet.
• 24:52
  Speaker: Um, so he's literally you said he's a survivalist or could live
• 24:57
  Speaker: out in the woods by himself.
• 24:59
  Speaker: So would he just are there, is
• 25:01
  Speaker: there like a woods or something
• 25:03
  Speaker: that he would gravitate to that
• 25:04
  Speaker: he would feel most comfortable
• 25:06
  Speaker: in?
• 25:06
  Speaker: Yes.
• 25:07
  Speaker: And it was the woods.
• 25:09
  Speaker: Um, I know dropped off.
• 25:10
  Speaker: Okay.
• 25:11
  Speaker: I was dropped off.
• 25:11
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker: When my brother was a kid, he, I think he lived with, I think
• 25:17
  Speaker: they were cousins.
• 25:18
  Speaker: I don't know if this was before I was born.
• 25:20
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 25:21
  Speaker: But, um, but when he was a kid,
• 25:22
  Speaker: he lived in Lynnville with our
• 25:24
  Speaker: cousins and he kind of grew up
• 25:25
  Speaker: there.
• 25:26
  Speaker: So he grew up very familiar with those woods with that area.
• 25:29
  Speaker: And that is one of the main
• 25:30
  Speaker: places where if he wanted to go,
• 25:33
  Speaker: you know, go camp, go on a hike,
• 25:34
  Speaker: whatever.
• 25:35
  Speaker: It was usually like around the Lynnville State Park area or
• 25:38
  Speaker: just the woods around the Elberfeld Lynnville area.
• 25:41
  Speaker: Right.
• 25:41
  Speaker: There's there's quite a few in that area.
• 25:43
  Speaker: I mean, somebody yeah, there's,
• 25:45
  Speaker: you know, if somebody were going
• 25:47
  Speaker: to go try to disappear, I guess
• 25:48
  Speaker: it's possible you could just,
• 25:50
  Speaker: you know.
• 25:50
  Speaker: Yeah, you could do that.
• 25:51
  Speaker: I know when when the search team, when we.
• 25:54
  Speaker: Because when the Warren County police, they, they did a search
• 25:58
  Speaker: and they there were divers in the lake at the state park.
• 26:01
  Speaker: Mhm.
• 26:01
  Speaker: And then there was like firefighters and the police and
• 26:04
  Speaker: like a special rescue team.
• 26:06
  Speaker: And it took them.
• 26:08
  Speaker: I want to say more.
• 26:09
  Speaker: It was like a couple days for
• 26:10
  Speaker: them to like completely comb
• 26:11
  Speaker: through all those woods because
• 26:12
  Speaker: there's, it's such a dense,
• 26:14
  Speaker: thick woods and there's so much
• 26:16
  Speaker: of it.
• 26:16
  Speaker: I know they were looking for
• 26:17
  Speaker: another missing person, Andy
• 26:19
  Speaker: Wagner.
• 26:19
  Speaker: I did an episode on her, but they were looking up in some
• 26:22
  Speaker: stripper pits in that area.
• 26:23
  Speaker: I think Peabody Coal had given
• 26:24
  Speaker: them permission to do some, um,
• 26:26
  Speaker: searching.
• 26:27
  Speaker: So, you know, I guess they would have also found something.
• 26:29
  Speaker: I think they were looking, you know, it's hard to find a person
• 26:32
  Speaker: in, in that kind of thing, but there were people out there
• 26:34
  Speaker: looking for her so inadvertently they'd be looking for him too.
• 26:39
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker: Um, we, I remember when we were, we had gone up there for the
• 26:44
  Speaker: search party and then because we thought, you know, the search
• 26:46
  Speaker: party, we thought we were also going to be out in the woods
• 26:49
  Speaker: helping look for him.
• 26:50
  Speaker: But the police were like, no,
• 26:51
  Speaker: because it's, you know, he's
• 26:54
  Speaker: been gone for so long that at
• 26:56
  Speaker: that point, they told us that
• 26:57
  Speaker: they were more than likely
• 26:58
  Speaker: searching for a body and not a
• 27:00
  Speaker: person.
• 27:00
  Speaker: And they said that that is not something they would want us to
• 27:03
  Speaker: be in the woods looking for.
• 27:04
  Speaker: Um, and also just because it is such a thick forest, we could
• 27:08
  Speaker: easily get lost and turned around because we are not, we
• 27:11
  Speaker: are not familiar with that the way my brother is.
• 27:13
  Speaker: Um, so they were really nice.
• 27:14
  Speaker: They gave us a shelter to stay in.
• 27:17
  Speaker: Um, and they brought us water and people from the community
• 27:19
  Speaker: brought us food like they.
• 27:21
  Speaker: The whole community was really nice to us.
• 27:23
  Speaker: Oh that's nice.
• 27:23
  Speaker: And we were walking around the state park.
• 27:25
  Speaker: We were like passing out flyers and hanging them up.
• 27:28
  Speaker: And we actually met someone who
• 27:30
  Speaker: was friends with Andy, with
• 27:32
  Speaker: Andy's mom.
• 27:33
  Speaker: Oh, yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker: And she like, she, like, prayed with us.
• 27:35
  Speaker: She was like, I know what it feels like.
• 27:37
  Speaker: And, you know, I really hope that you guys can find him.
• 27:39
  Speaker: So yeah, that is crazy that you said that, but yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker: But yeah, we did meet her.
• 27:43
  Speaker: I think it was like her aunt or someone.
• 27:45
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker: Her aunt has been and her mother
• 27:46
  Speaker: actually passed away a couple
• 27:49
  Speaker: months ago.
• 27:50
  Speaker: She, I think is what happened.
• 27:52
  Speaker: So I think just the stress of not being able to find Andy just
• 27:56
  Speaker: I think it was too much for her.
• 27:57
  Speaker: So I mean, it's just it's rough on the whole family.
• 28:00
  Speaker: And you know, what you guys are going through is just it's a lot
• 28:04
  Speaker: of just the not knowing.
• 28:05
  Speaker: It's one thing to know that something happened, but it's
• 28:07
  Speaker: another thing to like, okay, is he in an encampment?
• 28:09
  Speaker: Is he hurt somewhere?
• 28:11
  Speaker: Is he just wanting to not be found?
• 28:14
  Speaker: It's got to drive you guys crazy.
• 28:16
  Speaker: And it does.
• 28:17
  Speaker: It does.
• 28:18
  Speaker: And there's so many people who will tell me like, oh, I think
• 28:21
  Speaker: he's just strung out or, oh, you know, he probably is dead.
• 28:25
  Speaker: And, and I'm like, I don't, I don't want, I don't want to
• 28:27
  Speaker: think about it.
• 28:28
  Speaker: But unfortunately, it's like, you can't not think about it.
• 28:31
  Speaker: It almost doesn't feel real because there are so many times
• 28:35
  Speaker: when I just think I'm like, oh, like, because also Zach, he, he
• 28:40
  Speaker: was, he was around.
• 28:42
  Speaker: He wasn't, you know, not around or in the family, but he just,
• 28:45
  Speaker: he was the type of sibling, I guess, where I could go, you
• 28:50
  Speaker: know, a couple a week or so without talking to him.
• 28:53
  Speaker: And then he would just show up
• 28:54
  Speaker: in my house and he'd be like, I
• 28:56
  Speaker: just wanted to come check on
• 28:57
  Speaker: you.
• 28:57
  Speaker: And so all the time, I just feel like, you know, maybe I'm just
• 29:00
  Speaker: going to come home one day and then he'll, he'll just be here
• 29:02
  Speaker: to check on me.
• 29:03
  Speaker: I feel like that a lot.
• 29:05
  Speaker: Hopefully you guys are able to find him and he's you know this
• 29:09
  Speaker: has a happy ending.
• 29:10
  Speaker: That's that's what I hope.
• 29:13
  Speaker: And I actually reached out to uh, his friend Chris, but I
• 29:17
  Speaker: haven't heard back from him, so I guess that's not surprising.
• 29:19
  Speaker: He probably doesn't sound like he would want to talk, but I
• 29:23
  Speaker: thought I'd give him the opportunity, you know?
• 29:25
  Speaker: Yes.
• 29:26
  Speaker: And if if he does talk to you, I. We're all we would all love
• 29:30
  Speaker: to hear what he has to say.
• 29:31
  Speaker: Yeah, I think even the police.
• 29:33
  Speaker: But but you never know.
• 29:34
  Speaker: Maybe he's like, hey, I just want to clear the air.
• 29:35
  Speaker: And this is what happened.
• 29:37
  Speaker: And so is there anything else you'd like to that you want to
• 29:40
  Speaker: share or that you think people need to know?
• 29:43
  Speaker: I think, um, I know when we were first posting, you know, like on
• 29:47
  Speaker: social media about his disappearance, um, the police
• 29:50
  Speaker: had asked us to put in our post, like when we made like the
• 29:53
  Speaker: missing person thing to put on it that, that he, I mean, it's
• 29:59
  Speaker: been so all these months and to our knowledge, he has not had
• 30:02
  Speaker: his medicine, uh, which means that he mentally could be in a
• 30:07
  Speaker: very different state right now.
• 30:09
  Speaker: And it's not that my brother, my brother is not a threat.
• 30:12
  Speaker: Like, he is not a mean person, but we don't know what type of
• 30:16
  Speaker: state he is in mentally.
• 30:18
  Speaker: And so the police stress to us
• 30:20
  Speaker: that, you know, if someone
• 30:21
  Speaker: thinks that they see him, like
• 30:23
  Speaker: don't approach him because we
• 30:25
  Speaker: don't know how he's going to
• 30:26
  Speaker: react and to just call the
• 30:27
  Speaker: police first.
• 30:29
  Speaker: Um, and that's, I guess that
• 30:30
  Speaker: would be the only thing that I
• 30:30
  Speaker: want to mention because a lot of
• 30:32
  Speaker: people kind of read that and
• 30:33
  Speaker: they kind of took it as, oh,
• 30:35
  Speaker: like, he's dangerous and he's,
• 30:37
  Speaker: he's not mentally there enough
• 30:39
  Speaker: to, you know, refrain himself
• 30:41
  Speaker: from becoming aggressive or
• 30:42
  Speaker: whatever.
• 30:43
  Speaker: Um, and I would like to think that that's not my brother, that
• 30:47
  Speaker: he wouldn't react that way.
• 30:49
  Speaker: But I also don't know where he is mentally.
• 30:51
  Speaker: And I know that it has been so long without his medicine.
• 30:54
  Speaker: Um, and that would be the one thing I just want to stress to
• 30:57
  Speaker: people that he is a good person.
• 31:00
  Speaker: Um, but definitely probably
• 31:02
  Speaker: don't approach him if you think
• 31:03
  Speaker: you see him and please call the
• 31:05
  Speaker: Warren County Sheriff's
• 31:06
  Speaker: Department if you have any
• 31:08
  Speaker: information or if you think you
• 31:09
  Speaker: might have saw him like anything
• 31:11
  Speaker: and the number to contact the
• 31:13
  Speaker: Warrick County Sheriff's
• 31:14
  Speaker: Department is eight one two
• 31:16
  Speaker: eight nine seven six one eight
• 31:18
  Speaker: zero, and you can find that
• 31:20
  Speaker: number down in the show notes at
• 31:22
  Speaker: River City Mystery dot com slash
• 31:24
  Speaker: fifteen.
• 31:25
  Speaker: I'll also have photos of Zachary that you can reference to see
• 31:29
  Speaker: you know who you're looking for.
• 31:31
  Speaker: Keep in mind it has been a
• 31:32
  Speaker: number of months though, so he
• 31:34
  Speaker: may have.
• 31:34
  Speaker: His appearance may have changed.
• 31:36
  Speaker: He may have lost weight.
• 31:37
  Speaker: He may have more facial hair.
• 31:38
  Speaker: So keep that in mind.
• 31:40
  Speaker: I want to thank Gina and Cecilia for sharing their stories today.
• 31:44
  Speaker: Hopefully it brings the family
• 31:45
  Speaker: one step closer to bringing
• 31:47
  Speaker: Zachary home.
• 31:49
  Speaker: Thank you for listening.
• 31:50
  Speaker: Until next time, take care.