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Say Who, Say Pod, Ep. 165 · Say Who, Say Pod

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SPEAKER_01: Pod.
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SPEAKER_01: Pod.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to another episode of Say Who, Say Pod.
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SPEAKER_01: He's Danny O'Neill in a sports coat and a sweatshirt.
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SPEAKER_01: Rocking the Mike McDonald look today.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a fashion hoodie.
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SPEAKER_02: Fashion hoodie, Christian, and it's purple.
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SPEAKER_01: Or eggplant.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Christian Capel.
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SPEAKER_01: The Washington Huskies are 4-1.
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SPEAKER_01: Woo-hoo!
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SPEAKER_01: Standard issue, regular old 24-20 win at Maryland.
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SPEAKER_01: Hit the window, by the way.
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SPEAKER_01: Hit the narrow window of a Washington win and a Maryland cover.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it came down to 4.5 or 5.5 by kickoff, so...
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SPEAKER_01: Not easy to do.
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I'm going to be very interested to hear about Danny's watching
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experience because
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SPEAKER_01: it was one that I think is extremely difficult to pull off in 2025.
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SPEAKER_01: And you'll know.
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SPEAKER_02: It's less hard when you live on the East Coast.
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SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
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SPEAKER_02: Less difficult when you live on the East Coast.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Danny did not watch the game live on television.
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SPEAKER_01: Danny recorded the game, time-capsuled it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm curious how you went about this.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you go on Do Not Disturb?
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SPEAKER_01: Did you tell people not to approach you?
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SPEAKER_01: How'd you do it?
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SPEAKER_02: No, I will not tell anyone.
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SPEAKER_02: Given my friends,
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SPEAKER_02: and I will say I 100% deserve this,
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SPEAKER_02: if I told most of my really good friends what I was doing,
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SPEAKER_02: they would make efforts to ruin it for me,
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SPEAKER_02: which,
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SPEAKER_02: totally fair.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh,
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SPEAKER_02: our first New York friends are leaving the city,
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SPEAKER_02: which is if it's something of a rite of passage in New York,
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SPEAKER_02: once you've been here for a certain amount of time,
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SPEAKER_02: because people do just leave the city.
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SPEAKER_02: They kind of decide I've had enough and there's like, I'm getting out.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and two of our friends had their going away party.
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SPEAKER_02: So we trundled over to Brooklyn and I got back and
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oh it was it was probably about 6 30 6 30 or 7 when i got back
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and plopped my butt
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so that is over yes i think so but it was it was going to be a
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touch and go uh
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scenario of whether it was over or not and then watched it on i
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don't even know
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what they call it now i have youtube tv so i don't think it's
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dvr but i had
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SPEAKER_02: recorded it on it was in my library
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SPEAKER_01: The unlimited cloud, the limitless cloud of YouTube TV.
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SPEAKER_01: At any point, did you want to quit or fast forward?
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no one of the one of the real benefits of doing the time
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capsule is that you can
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skip through the commercials which i've when you're watching a
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stinker of a
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performance the commercials are the most excruciating because
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then you have to make
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yourself switch back and no i was i was committed to the long
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haul of it i never
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interrupted it the only change we did have is once the mariners
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game started
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I had a separate TV that because you can't do picture in
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picture with a recorded
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SPEAKER_02: event and a live event.
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SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So I had a I had a separate TV that I brought out a separate screen,
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SPEAKER_02: not a full TV,
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SPEAKER_02: but a separate screen,
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my backup computer monitor that I brought out so I could have
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that set up to the
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SPEAKER_02: live feed.
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SPEAKER_02: Watch the Mariners live as I was finishing the UW game recorded.
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SPEAKER_01: You can at least like pick your picture-in-picture programs now, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It used to be like a preset thing.
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Like,
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oh,
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you can watch these four games at a time or these four games or
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these two games.
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But if you want to watch this one and this one,
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you can't like customize it.
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SPEAKER_01: You can at least customize it now.
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SPEAKER_01: But they got to make the recording an option too.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't mix live.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like the two streams in Ghostbusters that can't cross.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't do live and record it at the same time.
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SPEAKER_02: Otherwise, I think things will start smoking.
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At what point did you believe there was even the slightest
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chance that they might actually win?
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't feel terrible about the game at halftime.
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't think they were going to win, but I felt like they had a shot.
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SPEAKER_02: If you would ask me to give their chances,
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I would have given them a 25% to 30% chance of winning that
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game at halftime.
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SPEAKER_02: Really?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_02: because...
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And the two factors that I would have pointed to of as much as
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Maryland is
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SPEAKER_02: dominated...
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SPEAKER_02: it's not that big of a lead.
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SPEAKER_02: And they've also, they've been unsustainably good on third down.
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SPEAKER_02: A lot of those are makeable third downs,
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SPEAKER_02: and I don't want that to come across as they got lucky,
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SPEAKER_02: but you're not going to consistently string together that many third down
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SPEAKER_02: conversions.
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SPEAKER_02: So I felt like things could change.
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SPEAKER_02: Now,
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SPEAKER_02: I didn't see how they would end up changing,
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which I don't think it had as much to do with Washington's
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third down defense as it
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SPEAKER_02: did to Maryland's edge pass rushers,
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SPEAKER_02: just weren't the same.
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SPEAKER_02: One of them was ejected,
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SPEAKER_02: and the other one was not the same player in the second half,
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SPEAKER_02: probably because he twisted his ankle.
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But when they went down 20,
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I was like,
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yeah,
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okay,
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that's probably not going to happen.
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SPEAKER_02: I still thought they'd come back and make it interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: But it was, I never fully gave up hope.
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SPEAKER_02: I was mad,
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SPEAKER_02: but I never fully got the,
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SPEAKER_02: there's no chance they're coming back and winning this game.
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SPEAKER_01: So at halftime,
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SPEAKER_01: I was thinking it was kind of reminding me,
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SPEAKER_01: and if Washington were going to come back and win or make it a game,
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SPEAKER_01: it was going to need to play out this way,
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of the 2006 game against UCLA where Dan Howell had to pick six
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at Husky Stadium.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: UCLA got up 16 to nothing in that game in the first half.
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SPEAKER_01: They were completely dominating, but that 16 is a seven and three threes.
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So they're moving the ball like crazy and they're getting into
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scoring position,
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SPEAKER_01: so to speak,
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SPEAKER_01: but they're settling for field goals most of the time.
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And you think,
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you know,
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there's no reason to think Washington is going to win this
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game.
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SPEAKER_01: UCLA is completely outplaying them, but.
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SPEAKER_01: One touchdown is all they're going to need to get back in it.
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SPEAKER_01: And UCLA is going to pay for having settled for so many field goals.
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SPEAKER_01: And they score a touchdown right before halftime at 16-7 at halftime.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I don't think Howell's pick six was the...
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SPEAKER_01: I think the pick six either gave them the lead or expanded the lead.
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SPEAKER_01: They won 29-19.
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SPEAKER_01: And, you know, things just completely changed after halftime.
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SPEAKER_01: The parallel here...
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And one thing I think I kind of overlooked in my coverage was
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how huge it was for
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SPEAKER_01: them to hold Maryland to a field goal after DeMond Williams Jr.'
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SPEAKER_01: 's interception in the first quarter.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, they started that possession.
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SPEAKER_01: They got a penalty at the tail end of the return.
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SPEAKER_01: Started that possession at the 14-yard line, right?
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So other than forcing a turnover or missing the kick,
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that's as good as you can do.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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And Mikel Esteen goes up and intercepts a pass that Malik
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Washington probably
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SPEAKER_01: shouldn't have thrown late in the first half.
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SPEAKER_01: They don't get points off that, but it gave him a chance.
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SPEAKER_01: I think the defense,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: I get that it's frustrating in the first half watching Maryland play.
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SPEAKER_01: not really be all that efficient or explosive at all,
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SPEAKER_01: but just converting third downs,
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SPEAKER_01: getting four yards,
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SPEAKER_01: getting four yards,
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SPEAKER_01: getting four yards.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I say, averaging four yards per play is not good at all.
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SPEAKER_01: But if you get exactly four yards on every play, then you'll never punt.
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SPEAKER_01: So like, I think it kind of,
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SPEAKER_01: The fact that they were able to convert so many third downs,
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SPEAKER_01: score that touchdown in the first half,
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SPEAKER_01: and move the ball,
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SPEAKER_01: sustain some drives a little bit,
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SPEAKER_01: belied just how kind of inefficient they were.
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And I think on the whole,
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how tight and pretty decent Washington's defense was playing.
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SPEAKER_01: And the final numbers bore that out.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Maryland averaged...
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SPEAKER_01: 3.6 yards per play in the first half.
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SPEAKER_01: And what was it, 4.2 for the game or maybe four flat?
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SPEAKER_01: You'll take that on the road against anybody, anytime.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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And as someone who has covered a Pete Carroll defense for a
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long time,
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I have seen that...
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sort of approach which is don't get beat don't give up big
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place the way you get
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beat the quickest way to get beat is to give up big place and
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you make them make
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that play time after time after time the check down the short
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pass and eventually
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SPEAKER_02: your offense if you have an explosive offense
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will be able to catch up,
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will put some pressure on them,
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and pressure changes it.
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SPEAKER_02: It becomes harder to execute under pressure.
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Like you,
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by making them accept,
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and look,
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they had two 16 play drives in the first half.
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SPEAKER_02: One resulted in a touchdown, the other one led to a field goal.
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But these are the reasons why when people cite the number of
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plays and time of
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SPEAKER_02: possession,
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SPEAKER_02: the single most important metric
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SPEAKER_02: or measurement of an offense is efficiency.
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SPEAKER_02: How efficient are you with your opportunities?
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And that goes for length of play and putting yourself in
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position to score.
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SPEAKER_02: Expected points added.
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SPEAKER_02: EPA is the best measurement.
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SPEAKER_02: How efficient are you?
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SPEAKER_02: Maryland was great at controlling the ball.
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SPEAKER_02: Not really that efficient and not that dangerous.
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SPEAKER_01: You mentioned EPA.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, success rate.
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SPEAKER_01: And our guy, Stats of War, Parker Fleming on Twitter,
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Did we really get beat that bad chart every week that measures
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the net success rate
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SPEAKER_01: margins for each game?
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Some metrics base success rate on a certain percentage of yards
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gained on first,
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SPEAKER_01: second,
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SPEAKER_01: third,
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SPEAKER_01: or fourth down.
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SPEAKER_01: His is based on
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SPEAKER_01: whether you had positive or negative EPA on any given play.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's a little bit different.
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SPEAKER_01: But Washington,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: wasn't like an overwhelming margin,
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but it was a comfortable enough one that if they'd lost the
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game with that margin,
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SPEAKER_01: you'd go,
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SPEAKER_01: whoa,
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SPEAKER_01: that's a pretty backwards result for a losing team.
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SPEAKER_01: Washington's EPA per play in this game,
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SPEAKER_01: this is per gameonpaper.com,
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SPEAKER_01: which is a resource I cite a lot if you read my site at onmontlake.com,
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SPEAKER_01: finished in the 75th percentile in this game in EPA per play.
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SPEAKER_01: Maryland finished 33rd.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's not a game Washington should lose.
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SPEAKER_01: And,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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part of why they were able to create that margin is because of
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the way that they
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played on their final four possessions and the way that
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Maryland played on its
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SPEAKER_01: final four possessions.
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SPEAKER_01: And that was the ballgame.
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SPEAKER_01: But,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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this was a team that it was the kind of game that if you're if
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you're not going to
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SPEAKER_01: beat Maryland in the Big Ten,
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SPEAKER_01: who are you going to beat?
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's on the road.
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SPEAKER_01: East Coast, Maryland's coming off a bye.
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And I think there's reason to believe this Maryland team is a
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lot better than they
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SPEAKER_01: were a year ago.
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SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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SPEAKER_01: They lost all that they lost in the transfer portal.
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SPEAKER_01: We talked last week about Malik Washington.
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You saw some of his skills,
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but at the same time,
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I thought they schemed him pretty good.
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SPEAKER_01: Didn't really hurt them a ton.
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That drop pass on third and eight in the fourth quarter could
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have changed things a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01: You could tell he really wanted that one.
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SPEAKER_01: Put it right where it needed to be, too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just perfect throw.
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SPEAKER_01: Perfect throw.
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SPEAKER_01: At the same time, you could tell he's very poised.
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SPEAKER_01: I think already he does a really good job playing within that system.
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SPEAKER_01: As he progresses,
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SPEAKER_01: I think you're going to see them put more and more and more on him,
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SPEAKER_01: and he's really got a chance to
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to be a star um those edge rushers are dudes too zaheer mathis
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is like yeah if they
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can hold on to this freshman class they've got um they got a
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chance to like take a
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step back to being like a seven eight win program which they
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had been for several
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SPEAKER_01: seasons before they went four and eight last year so
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SPEAKER_01: that's a big athletic defense they have.
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I'm going to be very interested to see how they fare through
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the rest of Big Ten
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play because I'm not surprised that they gave Washington some
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problems up front.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, Zaheer Mathis, I'm going to be watching him going forward.
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He absolutely had his way on the edge against Washington's
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backup left tackle.
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SPEAKER_02: That's just how it was.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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It's possible that a bigger,
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better left tackle,
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not bigger because McCree's huge,
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but...
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might be able to use size to slow him down more than more than
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mccrea was able to
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um but his mobility and and the and the length he has like he
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he looks like a
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pretty devastating player i i was i was really impressed with
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him and and i want to
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give him credit because he stayed in the game after he he got
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rolled up on by one
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SPEAKER_02: of his teammates it was on a tackle of jonah coleman
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SPEAKER_02: He stayed in the game,
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but I just think it was pretty clear he wasn't as devastating
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coming off the edge
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SPEAKER_02: after that as he had been the first two,
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SPEAKER_02: two and a half quarters.
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Five pressures,
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three hurries,
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a sack,
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and a quarterback hit for Zaheer Mathis per PFF.
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SPEAKER_02: What did you think was going on with DeMont?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, he just seemed a little off.
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SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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He talked and Jed Fish talked about some of the coverage stuff
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that Maryland was doing.
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SPEAKER_01: Similar to Ohio State, Jed Fish said anyway, in that they were...
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SPEAKER_01: they were not going to let Denzel Boston beat them deep.
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I don't think they were giving Washington a ton of one-on-one
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looks with him
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SPEAKER_01: outside,
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SPEAKER_01: or maybe they're trying to disguise to show man coverage before the snap,
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but then rolling a safety over and effectively getting a double
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team on him.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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The reason I would put it more on like it was just kind of an
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off half by Daman Williams Jr.
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is how badly he missed that throw to Denzel Boston up the seam
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to the point where
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SPEAKER_01: like I figured,
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SPEAKER_01: oh,
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SPEAKER_01: he must have been expecting him to break differently.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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And Jed Fish said it was not a miscommunication that he just
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threw it behind him.
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SPEAKER_01: It just maybe it slipped a little bit or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: But like, that's not a that's not a throw he misses.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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I have a couple working theories and I'd be interested to hear
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your appraisal of my
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SPEAKER_02: sort of from the couch theories.
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SPEAKER_02: The first one is that that interception really rattled him.
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SPEAKER_02: And he's he's very conscientious about taking care of the ball.
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SPEAKER_02: He's not someone that he's super accurate passer.
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SPEAKER_02: We know this about he does not.
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He's not reckless when even when he's running around and he is
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someone who is very
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SPEAKER_02: conscientious about protecting the ball.
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And that the interception rattles him and caused him to hold on
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to the ball a
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SPEAKER_02: little bit more and maybe doubt himself a little bit.
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SPEAKER_02: Like,
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SPEAKER_02: I don't know,
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SPEAKER_02: which is a hard thing for any quarterback,
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but we're still talking about a quarterback in his first full
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year as a starter,
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starting on the road against a team that has some momentum and
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believes in itself
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and sees this as a chance to have a sort of plant your flag
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game and who has a
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SPEAKER_02: couple of freaking demons coming off the edge against him.
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SPEAKER_02: That he was just, he was rattled.
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SPEAKER_02: That rattled him for the first half.
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The other question I had is that I think you've seen him have
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less room when he scrambles.
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SPEAKER_02: These past two games and clearly Ohio State,
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some of that just comes down to the to the speed that that they
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have and the
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linebacker was spying on him who shouldn't be allowed to play
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linebacker given how
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SPEAKER_02: fast he is.
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I think there should be just an exception like he's too fast to
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play linebacker.
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SPEAKER_02: He has to play further back from the line of scrimmage.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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And that that caused him a little bit of indecision,
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like he didn't want to run.
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Then when he did run,
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there wasn't as much space to run,
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and it all kind of caved in on him.
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SPEAKER_02: What do you think of my two theories?
16:40
SPEAKER_02: The one being he was rattled,
16:41
the second one being the lack of room to run kind of made him
16:45
feel a little more
16:46
SPEAKER_02: compressed or caged in.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think you're spot on with him being rattled.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: I think you could see him holding the ball a little bit.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: It was a little more hesitant to let it rip.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: He's,
16:56
SPEAKER_01: you know,
16:57
SPEAKER_01: like Jed Fish pointed out,
16:58
SPEAKER_01: he made that same throw three times against Ohio State.
17:01
But it's a little different when you're a sophomore with only a
17:05
handful of starts
17:06
SPEAKER_01: under your belt.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: I guess seven now.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: But then,
17:09
SPEAKER_01: you know,
17:09
SPEAKER_01: maybe when you're a senior and you miss a throw like that,
17:11
SPEAKER_01: you're like,
17:12
SPEAKER_01: oh,
17:12
SPEAKER_01: I made that throw a hundred times in games.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: It's nothing.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: Just shake it off, move on to the next play.
17:16
But when you're still relatively earlier in your career and
17:19
you're on the road and
17:20
SPEAKER_01: nothing else is going right,
17:23
SPEAKER_01: I could see,
17:23
SPEAKER_01: you know,
17:24
SPEAKER_01: OK,
17:24
SPEAKER_01: now I really got to prioritize the ball.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: We really got to value possessions.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: I cannot throw another pick.
17:31
Maybe some of the lack of room scrambling against Ohio State,
17:36
too,
17:36
influences those decisions.
17:38
SPEAKER_01: Because I don't know if he was as squeezed in this game.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: It seemed like there were opportunities in the first half to take off.
17:45
And it seemed like he took those opportunities in the second
17:48
half and got...
17:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
17:50
SPEAKER_01: they had two runs in this game longer than 10 yards.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: And they're both his.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: And one was the 20-yard scramble.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: That was a huge play to turn...
18:02
SPEAKER_01: what could have been an incompletion into a big game, moving the chains.
18:06
And then the other was the 10-yard design run on their final
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possession that
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SPEAKER_01: allowed them to ice the clock.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: They didn't have to run the ball, by the way, on the next two plays.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many people noticed or cared because nobody fumbled,
18:20
but could have easily just snapped it and rolled out and slid
18:23
or taken a couple
18:24
steps backward on the kneel down and not put the ball in harm's
18:28
way in any way on
18:29
SPEAKER_01: those plays.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:31
SPEAKER_02: I loved the design keeper.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: I thought that was a great play.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: I thought it was a pretty badass.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not as big a fan of the speed option into the boundary,
18:42
SPEAKER_02: but when you've got some ganas,
18:45
SPEAKER_02: when you've got some guts as a play caller like Jed Fish has,
18:48
SPEAKER_02: that's the benefit you get.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: That's a pretty gutsy call.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: And I loved it.
18:51
SPEAKER_02: And it worked great.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: They finally got Deckard to Graff involved.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: I think people had kind of been waiting on that.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: And
18:59
SPEAKER_01: Really, I think, is the get into the teeth of Big Ten play here.
19:03
You're going to see more and more teams roll coverage to take
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Denzel Boston away.
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SPEAKER_01: If I'm scheming against Washington,
19:09
SPEAKER_01: you know,
19:10
SPEAKER_01: those of us out here,
19:11
SPEAKER_01: like,
19:11
SPEAKER_01: I think we've seen enough of Desmond Roebuck so far to know that,
19:14
SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: he's going to be a pretty good player.
19:17
SPEAKER_02: Throw Vines Bright in there, too.
19:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Both of those true freshmen are players right now.
19:24
SPEAKER_01: But if I'm scheming against Washington,
19:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm not looking at that receiver core and seeing a,
19:31
SPEAKER_01: you know,
19:31
SPEAKER_01: a Romo Dunze,
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Jalen McMillan,
19:34
SPEAKER_01: Jalen Polk,
19:35
SPEAKER_01: number two and three,
19:37
SPEAKER_01: right?
19:37
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
19:38
SPEAKER_02: There's one dude above and beyond.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: There's one dude you can say, we don't want this guy to beat us.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: And I think if,
19:44
SPEAKER_01: you know,
19:46
if concern over Denzel Boston takes attention off of Desmond
19:52
Roebuck or Raiden
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SPEAKER_01: Vinesbright,
19:54
I think Jed Fish could be just okay with that because I think
19:59
they really believe
19:59
SPEAKER_01: in those guys.
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And you saw Desmond Roebuck get a one-on-one opportunity in the
20:04
fourth quarter and
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SPEAKER_01: DeMond Williams Jr.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: made a perfect throw.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: By the way,
20:09
There's an end zone view of that play where you can see Roebuck
20:13
running the route,
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SPEAKER_01: and as he starts to track the ball,
20:16
he speeds up and gets himself in the most efficient way
20:20
possible to exactly where
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SPEAKER_01: he needed to be to catch that ball in stride with a foot in bounds.
20:25
That ball tracking ability and that just kind of natural feel
20:29
for where exactly on
20:31
SPEAKER_01: the field do I need to get to to maximize our yardage on this play is
20:38
SPEAKER_01: you either have that or you don't, you know?
20:40
SPEAKER_01: And he's like,
20:41
SPEAKER_01: that's what,
20:42
SPEAKER_01: he's 5'10 and 180 pounds,
20:44
SPEAKER_01: and he doesn't run a 4'4,
20:46
SPEAKER_01: and he's never going to be a sub-11,
20:48
SPEAKER_01: 100-meter guy,
20:49
SPEAKER_01: and all,
20:49
SPEAKER_01: like,
20:50
SPEAKER_01: what separates him?
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Like, that...
20:53
SPEAKER_01: And the fact that he catches everything.
20:54
But that sort of innate ability to track the ball and get to
21:00
exactly where you need
21:01
SPEAKER_01: to get to in fluid motion and make the play,
21:04
SPEAKER_01: I think you're going to see a lot of that from him.
21:06
SPEAKER_02: It was an impressive catch.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: You know what I think of every time he catches the ball, Christian?
21:11
SPEAKER_02: This is credit to you or blame to you, however you want to say it.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: Every time he catches the ball, I'm like, really?
21:16
SPEAKER_02: Arizona didn't want it?
21:18
SPEAKER_02: Really?
21:19
SPEAKER_02: They didn't just trip over themselves?
21:21
How do you let that guy get out of the state without laying
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down in front of the car?
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SPEAKER_02: That dude's a baller.
21:28
SPEAKER_02: He's a baller.
21:29
SPEAKER_02: Vines Bright is a baller.
21:30
The catch that Vines Bright had,
21:33
I thought that might be one of the more pivotal plays.
21:35
The third down catch early in the second half where he makes
21:41
it,
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runs the route perfectly.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: It's an out route over toward the sticks.
21:48
I thought that as much as anything,
21:50
that was a turning point in how their offense executed.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: That on a critical third down play where they're really at a point where
21:57
SPEAKER_02: OK,
21:57
SPEAKER_02: if you don't get something here,
22:00
SPEAKER_02: there's you're not going to have a chance to win this game.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Like you're it has to happen now.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: And maybe that was part of the breakthrough where there's no more.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: OK, we're OK.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: If we just score here, we don't need to press.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: We don't need it's like, OK, dude, it's got it's got it now or never.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: It's got to happen now.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: You've got to cut it loose.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: And that was a great connection those two made.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Fiennes Bryant's big too.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
22:23
SPEAKER_01: for a true freshman playing in the slot in Jed Fish's offense,
22:25
SPEAKER_01: like he definitely presents a little bit of a different target than,
22:28
SPEAKER_01: you know,
22:29
SPEAKER_01: Giles Jackson was good for them last year.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: Had a good year,
22:32
but you could see him maybe getting a little more done after
22:36
the catch as he
22:37
SPEAKER_01: progresses in his career.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: Like I think he's going to be that,
22:40
SPEAKER_01: you know,
22:41
SPEAKER_01: stronger slot guy who's going to have a chance to break tackles and
22:46
Be interested to see how they can maybe scheme up more
22:48
opportunities for him,
22:49
too.
22:51
I'm glad you mentioned the Arizona thing with Roebuck again,
22:54
not to harp on it.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: But we talked about initially,
22:58
SPEAKER_01: like,
22:58
SPEAKER_01: well,
22:59
SPEAKER_01: you know,
23:00
SPEAKER_01: he was he developed such a relationship with Jed Fish and Kevin Cummings.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: And,
23:04
SPEAKER_01: you know,
23:04
SPEAKER_01: when he left for Washington,
23:05
SPEAKER_01: was he just signed,
23:06
SPEAKER_01: sealed,
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SPEAKER_01: delivered to go with that staff no matter what?
23:11
SPEAKER_01: Look,
23:11
SPEAKER_01: I think they really wanted him,
23:13
and I think if they'd really turn the pressure on in a very
23:17
competitive battle with
23:17
SPEAKER_01: multiple other schools,
23:19
SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't bet against Jed Fish to Washington landing Desmond Roebuck.
23:23
But part of recruiting is not just throwing the towel in when
23:29
you have a shot,
23:31
right?
23:32
And so I think as evidence of the fact that it was silly for
23:38
the Arizona staff to
23:39
SPEAKER_01: not pursue him,
23:41
SPEAKER_01: Who was the one other school pushing for him before signing day, Danny?
23:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: It was the Arizona State Sun Devils and Kenny Dillingham.
23:54
So either your head coach is a relentless recruiter and doesn't
24:00
take no for an
24:00
SPEAKER_01: answer and is never say never.
24:03
Kenny Dillingham probably knew he was not going to get Desmond
24:06
Roebuck away from
24:07
SPEAKER_01: Washington,
24:08
but he saw the talent and wanted him and wasn't going to back
24:13
off until there was
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SPEAKER_01: no chance.
24:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: That's recruiting.
24:17
And so if you're the head coach in Tucson and you don't even
24:21
initiate contact with
24:22
SPEAKER_01: Desmond Roebuck after you take the job,
24:24
SPEAKER_01: either outcome is non-optimal.
24:27
If I'm an Arizona fan,
24:28
either you looked at Desmond Roebuck and Roebuck and thought,
24:30
nah,
24:31
SPEAKER_01: We don't want him.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: Or you looked at Desmond Roebuck and thought,
24:34
SPEAKER_01: yeah,
24:35
SPEAKER_01: he's a good player,
24:36
SPEAKER_01: but Jed Fish is all over him.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know.
24:41
SPEAKER_01: It's probably not worth our time.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't like either one of those if I'm an Arizona fan.
24:46
I would definitely say he would have to be the kind of player
24:49
where you're going to
24:50
SPEAKER_02: have to tell me no 500 times.
24:52
And even then,
24:52
I'm still going to ask you because you're the kind of player I
24:55
want.
24:55
SPEAKER_02: I just...
24:56
Those are the kind of football players you want on a college
24:59
football team.
25:00
SPEAKER_02: And that's especially true if you're a team like,
25:04
SPEAKER_02: quite frankly,
25:05
Washington is in the Big Ten and Arizona is where you're not
25:07
going to win.
25:09
SPEAKER_02: You're not going to have the highest rated recruits,
25:12
SPEAKER_02: recruiting classes in your respective conferences.
25:14
It's going to be about getting guys who are have a
25:18
competitiveness and a fire about
25:20
SPEAKER_02: them,
25:20
SPEAKER_02: about the way they play,
25:21
SPEAKER_02: as opposed to just raw stars on your recruiting profile.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: what was the most negative thought you had watching this game?
25:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, how bad did it get for you mentally, and at what point?
25:35
SPEAKER_02: The worst point was,
25:39
SPEAKER_02: oh,
25:41
SPEAKER_02: man,
25:42
I don't know how you come out of that game against Ohio State
25:45
feeling that there's
25:46
SPEAKER_02: progress,
25:47
and look at how they played in the first half here and think
25:50
that it was actually
25:51
SPEAKER_02: progress.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's really what it came, whereas, oh...
25:57
SPEAKER_02: I thought this team was beyond laying a stinker like this.
26:01
Because it felt like Maryland on offense wasn't doing anything
26:05
extraordinary.
26:07
SPEAKER_02: And Washington was just feeble on offense.
26:09
SPEAKER_02: Like their offense, that offense looked bad.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: And...
26:14
It felt like anything that you thought you saw in the Ohio
26:18
State game was a product
26:20
of Ohio State being conservative as opposed to Washington
26:24
having shown progress.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: So I would say that that was one of the worst halves just in terms of
26:31
competitiveness from a Washington team that I'd seen since the
26:34
Ty Willingham era.
26:36
like that where really i just i just felt that they were off
26:40
and just it was feeble
26:42
like they weren't that offense didn't do anything and that that
26:48
that part surprised
26:49
SPEAKER_02: me um
26:51
SPEAKER_02: And to their credit,
26:53
like they came and flipped it around and they deserve a ton of
26:57
credit for that.
26:57
And I think that those sort of moments are really important for
27:01
teams because it
27:04
SPEAKER_02: forces you when things can you can you get out of a slump?
27:08
like the people this was one of the interesting from base uh it
27:11
was the farm
27:12
director for the mariners he talked about everybody goes into
27:15
slumps it's a part of
27:16
baseball you have to do it getting out of a slump like that's a
27:19
skill avoiding a
27:21
slump you can't do that in baseball like you're going to have
27:24
that but getting out
27:25
of a slump that is something you can get better at that is
27:29
something you can learn
27:30
SPEAKER_02: to do and for for washington in this game
27:33
SPEAKER_02: like that goes a long way toward sort of the experience,
27:37
SPEAKER_02: the confidence that comes with,
27:39
SPEAKER_02: Hey,
27:39
SPEAKER_02: we took a game that was headed in one direction.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: We planted our foot, we pushed back and we got it over the hump.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: Like it was really meaningful results in, in that way.
27:49
The positives of the comeback to me clearly outweigh the
27:53
negatives of a two
27:55
SPEAKER_02: quarter,
27:55
SPEAKER_02: no show on the part of the offense.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: I mentioned this in my story, but like,
28:03
I don't know that I've ever seen a comeback like that that was
28:05
not sparked by one
28:08
SPEAKER_01: big,
28:08
SPEAKER_01: like,
28:09
SPEAKER_01: massive EPA play,
28:11
SPEAKER_01: for example.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Like,
28:13
SPEAKER_01: it's 20 to—you kick the field goal,
28:16
SPEAKER_01: it's 20 to 3,
28:17
SPEAKER_01: and then you get a pick 6 on the next play from scrimmage,
28:21
SPEAKER_01: and boom,
28:21
SPEAKER_01: it's 20 to 10.
28:22
And you're right back in it,
28:24
and then immediately your sideline's going nuts,
28:27
and you—
28:28
SPEAKER_01: decidedly have the momentum.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Everyone on Maryland side is thinking, Oh my God, here we go again.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: We're going to collapse.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: We're going to be September, Maryland.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, I, uh,
28:40
SPEAKER_01: For them to fall behind by 20 points and then just go field goal,
28:47
SPEAKER_01: touchdown,
28:47
SPEAKER_01: touchdown,
28:48
SPEAKER_01: touchdown,
28:49
SPEAKER_01: and hold Maryland to punt,
28:50
SPEAKER_01: punt,
28:51
SPEAKER_01: punt,
28:51
SPEAKER_01: turnover on downs.
28:52
Like,
28:53
I don't know how many three-score third-quarter comebacks go
28:57
that way without –
28:59
a punt return for a touchdown or block punt for a touchdown or
29:02
a turnover deep in
29:03
SPEAKER_01: their end or whatever.
29:04
Like I know I've said this before,
29:06
but,
29:06
um,
29:07
to me,
29:07
that's what made it most remarkable.
29:09
And like,
29:09
obviously there were things that broke in Washington's way,
29:13
right?
29:13
SPEAKER_01: You got to catch breaks along the way.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Um,
29:16
so here math is not being a hundred percent throughout the
29:18
fourth quarter,
29:20
Sidney Stewart getting ejected late in the first half to really
29:23
take some heat off
29:24
SPEAKER_01: the pass rush.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: Um,
29:26
SPEAKER_01: You big, big drop on third down there in the fourth quarter by Maryland.
29:31
But also,
29:32
like,
29:34
this is,
29:35
you saw this throughout,
29:36
like,
29:36
the Mike Leach era at Washington State.
29:39
This is the downside to not being able to run the ball is when
29:42
you get up 20 to
29:43
SPEAKER_01: nothing,
29:43
SPEAKER_01: 20 to three,
29:45
SPEAKER_01: and you don't feel like you can lean on your running game at all.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: They ran the ball four times in the second half.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
29:51
They were up 13-0 at halftime and 20-3 the next time they got
29:55
the ball back and
29:57
SPEAKER_01: didn't run the ball.
29:58
And I don't think it's because it just didn't occur to them
30:02
that they should do that.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: I think it's because they're not a good running team.
30:05
They didn't have the confidence that they could lean on that
30:09
aspect of their game.
30:10
And,
30:11
you know,
30:12
Jet Fish would point to that probably,
30:14
like if Washington felt that way.
30:17
Jed Fish would point to that as something they need to clear up
30:19
because you're not
30:19
SPEAKER_01: going to win games in the Big Ten doing that in particular.
30:22
So not having like a really reliable running game,
30:26
I think really hurt Maryland too.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: And,
30:28
SPEAKER_01: you know,
30:29
SPEAKER_01: there was the,
30:29
SPEAKER_01: what did,
30:30
so I wrote that the taunting penalty on Maryland was among the
30:35
worst I'd ever seen.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: But folks pointed out,
30:39
SPEAKER_01: and rightfully so,
30:40
SPEAKER_01: that there'd been,
30:41
SPEAKER_01: I think,
30:41
some warnings issued by the officiating crew to Maryland's
30:45
defense in particular
30:46
SPEAKER_01: about taunting and talking and all those sort of things.
30:50
So it might have been like a lifetime achievement award rather
30:54
than just a one-off,
30:55
SPEAKER_01: like,
30:55
SPEAKER_01: hey,
30:56
SPEAKER_01: this individual thing in a vacuum is not okay.
30:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: What is that celebration?
31:03
SPEAKER_02: I always refer to it as the seatbelt, but I don't think it is.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: Was it like sheathing a sword, like putting the sword back in the hilt?
31:10
SPEAKER_01: It is a seatbelt.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: So I got this wrong.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Devon Banks did it.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: You remember Devon Banks had that huge game against Boise State in 2023,
31:18
SPEAKER_01: had four pass breakups,
31:19
SPEAKER_01: almost had an interception.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: Now plays for Boise State, by the way.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: He did it after a big pass breakup.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: And I did a feature on him that week and I wrote,
31:28
SPEAKER_01: I think I described it as like a sword sheathing maneuver.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: And someone at Washington was a couple of days later was like,
31:35
SPEAKER_01: oh,
31:36
SPEAKER_01: by the way,
31:36
SPEAKER_01: like that celebration is like,
31:37
SPEAKER_01: it's a,
31:38
SPEAKER_01: It's a seatbelt.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm wrapping you up.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, put you in the car seat and put the seatbelt on you.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, you're not going anywhere.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: So,
31:48
SPEAKER_01: you see that,
31:48
SPEAKER_01: like,
31:48
SPEAKER_01: my thing is,
31:49
even if they'd been warned a bunch or they're doing a bunch of
31:51
trash talking,
31:51
SPEAKER_01: whatever,
31:52
SPEAKER_01: like,
31:53
SPEAKER_01: he wasn't standing over him.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: He was yards away from him.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: Every,
31:56
SPEAKER_01: like,
31:57
is there going to be a college football game across the country
31:59
on a given Saturday
31:59
SPEAKER_01: where someone doesn't do that celebration?
32:02
SPEAKER_01: I just thought it was, I thought it was weak.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: I thought it was a very weak call, too.
32:06
SPEAKER_02: It also, was it on second down?
32:11
SPEAKER_02: Was it after a second down play?
32:12
SPEAKER_01: It was on first down.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
32:14
So first and goal from the seven becomes...
32:16
And then it was first and goal from the three.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: Instead of second and goal from the seven.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Like, it wasn't a huge impact penalty.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: I just thought it was lame.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a lame call.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: But beyond that, I mean, mostly it was their offense.
32:30
I think after Washington's comeback started,
32:32
I can't,
32:34
is it like five first downs that they got?
32:36
They had two straight three and outs where they just ran three
32:39
plays and had to punt.
32:40
SPEAKER_02: And then they had two drives were six and seven plays after that.
32:45
SPEAKER_02: They just, they didn't have any offense to go to.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: And some of that is...
32:51
that when when you rely upon consistently stringing together
32:55
third downs,
32:56
that becomes tough.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: And not only that,
32:58
when you apply pressure like that's you make the other team
33:01
come through in those
33:02
SPEAKER_02: moments.
33:03
SPEAKER_02: And that becomes a challenge.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Can you sustain it?
33:08
SPEAKER_02: Are you able to do it?
33:10
Maryland was in position to convert that third down on the pass
33:12
that was lobbed.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: It didn't happen.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: And that's part of the make them execute in big moments.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: So I thought the penalty was lame.
33:23
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure how much that had to do with the outcome.
33:26
SPEAKER_02: I just...
33:27
SPEAKER_02: Maryland,
33:27
SPEAKER_02: if they were going to win that game,
33:29
needed to have built a bigger lead when Washington was busy
33:32
doing nothing.
33:33
SPEAKER_02: And instead, they really couldn't.
33:37
SPEAKER_02: And maybe that's like Washington's defense deserves some credit there by,
33:41
SPEAKER_02: hey,
33:41
SPEAKER_02: we're not going to give up any big plays.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: We're going to make them slowly and incrementally earn it.
33:45
SPEAKER_02: And yeah,
33:46
SPEAKER_02: they're going to have 13 points at halftime,
33:48
SPEAKER_02: and they're going to score a touchdown early in the second half,
33:51
SPEAKER_02: and we're still going to be in it.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: It's going to be a three-score game at that point.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: 21 first downs for Washington in the second half, to your point.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Seven for Maryland.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: Maryland had 18 first downs in this game.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: You know how many first downs rushing they had?
34:08
SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: I can't think of one, so I'll guess one.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: There were two.
34:19
so it's a it's and you know the pep hamilton is their offensive
34:23
coordinator
34:25
obviously very experienced long track record there they throw a
34:28
lot of short passes
34:29
right they throw a lot of quick passes that has long been an
34:33
extension of the
34:33
running game in college football um and i think malik
34:37
washington is he handles that
34:40
SPEAKER_01: well right like he's
34:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's exactly how they want to play or if that's,
34:46
SPEAKER_01: we have a true freshman quarterback.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: And so let's simplify things slash.
34:50
SPEAKER_01: We also can't really run the ball.
34:52
And so this is going to be how we're going to kind of get this
34:54
incremental yardage
34:55
SPEAKER_01: on early downs.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: Um,
34:59
It's just such a wild second-half box score for a game that was
35:06
20 to nothing.
35:06
They outgained them in the second half,
35:10
290 to 127,
35:13
21 first downs to 7 first downs.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: Washington's 4 of 6 on third down.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: Maryland's 2 of 6 and 0 for 1 on fourth down.
35:20
SPEAKER_01: Washington runs 44 plays to Maryland's 28.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: They possess the ball almost twice as long, which is...
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Not always an indicator of success in this game.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: I think it was because when you're up 20-3, possessing the ball is good.
35:36
Even if it doesn't end in points,
35:38
that's sort of a win in itself,
35:39
and Maryland couldn't do that.
35:44
I'm not sure I've ever covered another Washington game where
35:48
you went from
35:49
SPEAKER_01: thinking,
35:50
SPEAKER_01: this is the worst result of this head coach's tenure,
35:55
to this is probably the most encouraging thing this team has
35:59
done since Jed Fish
36:00
SPEAKER_01: got to Washington.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: Am I wrong?
36:03
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a good point.
36:04
SPEAKER_02: I hadn't thought about that because you do,
36:06
SPEAKER_02: because I did come away feeling like,
36:07
SPEAKER_02: okay,
36:08
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
36:08
SPEAKER_02: man,
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Jed's got a backbone and his team's tough.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: No, I think that's accurate.
36:14
SPEAKER_02: The other games that flipped,
36:15
SPEAKER_02: the UCLA game was a good call because I wouldn't have remembered that,
36:19
SPEAKER_02: but that totally.
36:20
I was thinking of the Arizona game,
36:21
the Mason Foster pick return against Arizona.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: It was a night game.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: And that's Sark, right?
36:30
SPEAKER_01: Yes, that was his first year, 2009.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: But Sark's signature moment that year was the USC victory.
36:38
And giving up a Hail Mary to Arizona State where they got a
36:45
receiver completely
36:46
SPEAKER_01: behind their secondary in Tempe.
36:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was...
36:50
SPEAKER_02: Weird things happen in the desert, man.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: No, I would agree with you.
36:54
I think that's a very accurate call of feeling like,
36:57
man,
36:57
he did not have this.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: They're just not ready to go.
37:01
SPEAKER_02: And whatever you thought you saw last week against Ohio State,
37:04
SPEAKER_02: this is a team that's going to scuffle.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: They're probably going to win seven games.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: That was how I felt very much.
37:11
at the end of the first half,
37:13
or at the very least,
37:14
when Maryland scored to go up 20-0.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: That's how I felt.
37:18
It's like,
37:18
this is a team that is going to have to hustle to win seven
37:21
games.
37:22
And instead came away feeling like they should be really proud
37:25
of the way they
37:25
SPEAKER_02: played in that game.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: Like that showed a lot of toughness,
37:29
and that is going to be one for a young team that will be a
37:33
very important game.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Still some injury concerns.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: Carver Willis was wearing a large brace on his right leg at this game.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: He did travel.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he traveled.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: That made me encouraged.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: Am I wrong about that?
37:47
Yeah,
37:47
I don't know,
37:48
because I don't think there was any chance he was going to
37:51
play.
37:52
SPEAKER_01: No, but that's a long flight.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: And maybe this is all I've always been accustomed to.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: If a guy with an injury doesn't need to fly, he shouldn't fly.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: So I kind of took that almost as a positive sign.
38:06
SPEAKER_02: But then I was like, I have no idea what it means.
38:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't really know.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: I asked Jed Fish yesterday about Willis and Durfee in particular.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Are these long-term injuries?
38:18
And he said that they don't have an indication right now that
38:23
they should be too
38:23
SPEAKER_01: long-term,
38:25
SPEAKER_01: which,
38:27
SPEAKER_02: you know.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: I think that means we might see them before the year's over.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: It's very hard to say.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: They have not ruled them out for a potential return in the bowl game.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: I'll say this.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: I, and I think I said as much, the week of the Ohio State game.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: It's not about the words on paper, but about the vibe.
38:48
I did not get the vibe from Jed Fish or Ryan Walters that they
38:52
were expecting
38:53
SPEAKER_01: Takario Davis to play against Ohio State,
38:56
SPEAKER_01: and he didn't.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: Just the way they were talking about it,
38:59
the way they were talking about other guys who were going to
39:02
have to play if he
39:03
SPEAKER_01: didn't play,
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Dylan Robinson in particular,
39:05
SPEAKER_01: was
39:06
SPEAKER_01: I just thought like,
39:06
SPEAKER_01: man,
39:09
typically you'd think he's going to do everything he can to
39:11
play in this game in
39:12
SPEAKER_01: particular,
39:13
SPEAKER_01: but the way these guys are talking about him,
39:15
SPEAKER_01: it's not pointing to him playing to me.
39:19
SPEAKER_01: He made the trip too, worked out before the game.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: They're just trying to...
39:24
Trying to protect that rib,
39:26
that can be a tricky thing,
39:27
and they're all different.
39:29
We don't know if he broke it,
39:31
if he cracked it,
39:33
if it's just a rib or what.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
39:37
SPEAKER_01: But I will say all that to say,
39:42
the way they're talking about him now does seem a little more
39:45
genuinely optimistic.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think they really truly do believe he's close.
39:51
And so this would be the first week where I wouldn't be
39:55
surprised to see him play.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't certain he was out against Ohio State.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't certain he was out against Maryland,
40:03
SPEAKER_01: but I would have been surprised to see him in either of those games.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm not certain one way or the other this week,
40:09
but the way they're talking about him has got me now at a place
40:13
where if he does
40:14
SPEAKER_01: play,
40:15
SPEAKER_01: I won't be surprised.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: So you're welcome for the clarity on that situation.
40:23
What we're going to do is we're going to make a meter and it's
40:25
going to have your
40:26
SPEAKER_02: head,
40:26
SPEAKER_02: Christian,
40:26
SPEAKER_02: and we're going to put it on the,
40:28
SPEAKER_02: it'll be the Christian surprise meter.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to have you take like five or six different pictures.
40:33
There'll be like emoji versions of Christian about how
40:36
surprised he would be if so-and-so plays.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: And this week it would be,
40:40
SPEAKER_02: what I'm getting is like maybe a slightly like,
40:43
SPEAKER_02: hmm,
40:44
SPEAKER_02: yeah,
40:45
SPEAKER_02: I could see that.
40:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:47
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh, all right.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: Whereas if he'd played against Ohio State, it would have been, hmm.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
40:54
SPEAKER_01: it would have been that,
40:55
SPEAKER_01: and it would have been,
40:56
SPEAKER_01: okay,
40:57
they're a little bit more savvy at this gamesmanship thing than
41:01
I thought.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: They're cagey.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: There's some gamesmanship going on.
41:04
uh fish all but conceded on monday that carver willis won't be
41:09
playing this week um
41:11
and it's a short week too so that doesn't help durfee to my
41:14
knowledge did not make
41:15
the trip to maryland it's always hard to say someone wasn't
41:20
there um when there's
41:23
100 plus people in their traveling party and like did you lay
41:26
eyes on every single
41:27
SPEAKER_01: one but
41:28
SPEAKER_01: You know,
41:28
Carver Willis and Takario Davis and Javon Parker were very
41:31
prominently there and
41:33
SPEAKER_01: saw them and,
41:34
SPEAKER_01: you know,
41:34
SPEAKER_01: in the mix and the celebration.
41:36
I got to imagine if Durfee had been there,
41:37
he would have been doing the same.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: So don't know.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: They don't think it's too long term.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: But I will say this on the surprise meter.
41:47
SPEAKER_01: I would be surprised to see him play on Friday against Rutgers.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: But what the hell do I know?
41:53
SPEAKER_01: They do think they're getting Javon Parker back this week.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: we'll see where he fits into the D line rotation.
42:00
SPEAKER_01: I think, um,
42:01
SPEAKER_01: They feel a lot better about the available bodies there,
42:04
SPEAKER_01: and they don't necessarily,
42:05
SPEAKER_01: like,
42:05
I'd be pretty surprised if he goes out and plays 25 snaps in
42:09
his first game back.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: I think they can afford to maybe ease him into things a bit.
42:14
And I think it would also just be meaningful for him to get on
42:18
the field against
42:19
SPEAKER_01: Rutgers in particular because that's who he got hurt against last year.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: And so,
42:24
SPEAKER_01: you know,
42:24
what better way to make your season debut coming back from that
42:27
Achilles injury?
42:28
SPEAKER_01: I guess he had a knee thing, too.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Fish said it wasn't just one thing.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: And,
42:33
SPEAKER_01: you know,
42:33
maybe there's some symbolism there for him to enjoy if he can
42:36
get on the field and
42:36
SPEAKER_01: feel good for at least a few snaps.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: And they also think that Zadrius Rainey-Saleh,
42:41
SPEAKER_01: the star freshman linebacker,
42:43
SPEAKER_01: is going to be available.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
42:46
SPEAKER_02: He was in uniform.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: Has he been in uniform before I saw him?
42:48
SPEAKER_01: He's been in uniform, yeah.
42:49
So him and Manu suited up for like two or three games before
42:53
Manu came back.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: They weren't on the exact same timeline.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: Manu's ACL was like a month before Rainy Saleh's.
43:01
SPEAKER_01: But he's been practicing.
43:03
And I'm very curious to see,
43:07
like,
43:07
if he goes out and plays double-digit snaps at linebacker,
43:12
SPEAKER_01: that will be quite the statement about their belief in his future.
43:17
SPEAKER_01: If as a true freshman coming off an ACL injury in game six,
43:21
SPEAKER_01: they're immediately throwing him into the rotation.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we'll see there.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: I kind of think it's a,
43:28
get your feet wet on special teams a bit and maybe mix him in
43:30
at linebacker,
43:32
SPEAKER_01: give him a look,
43:32
SPEAKER_01: see how he can help you.
43:34
SPEAKER_01: Um,
43:34
SPEAKER_01: but I don't know,
43:35
SPEAKER_01: you know,
43:35
SPEAKER_01: maybe they've seen something in practice and Ryan Walters talked about,
43:38
SPEAKER_01: uh,
43:39
SPEAKER_01: his football IQ,
43:40
SPEAKER_01: how impressive he is.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: And I think kind of like Jacob Manu, he's not, um,
43:46
He's the kind of guy who impresses people just by sort of how
43:50
he carries himself,
43:52
SPEAKER_01: like,
43:52
SPEAKER_01: off the field.
43:53
SPEAKER_01: He's an energy guy.
43:54
SPEAKER_01: I think he's got some, like, natural leadership skills.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Brian Odom,
43:58
SPEAKER_01: their linebackers coach,
43:59
SPEAKER_01: talked about how,
44:01
SPEAKER_01: you know,
44:01
SPEAKER_01: in the spring,
44:02
SPEAKER_01: he's like,
44:02
SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen him do any football stuff yet,
44:05
SPEAKER_01: but...
44:06
SPEAKER_01: boy, you can't miss him when he walks in a room.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: He's the kind of guy who just lights up a room and very self-assured,
44:12
SPEAKER_01: very confident,
44:13
SPEAKER_01: plays like it.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: So I think that their defense could use some of that edge too.
44:19
SPEAKER_01: Again, true freshman coming off an ACL injury in game six of the season.
44:25
I don't know how much you should expect him to play at
44:29
linebacker in particular,
44:30
but
44:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, you could also get him a little bit of action this week.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: Build reps, build reps.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: We'll see what they do with Jacob Manu in the redshirt situation.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: He's played two games now.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: He's got two left.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: If they want to preserve it,
44:45
might just see him let it go and play the whole year and hope
44:48
that he can get an
44:49
extra year back at the end because they changed the eligibility
44:52
thing or whatever.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: But...
44:54
SPEAKER_01: Zadris Rainey-Saleh is,
44:56
SPEAKER_01: if not this year,
44:57
SPEAKER_01: and maybe this year,
44:58
SPEAKER_01: but if not this year,
44:59
I think you're looking for something from him to get folks
45:04
excited about what he
45:04
SPEAKER_01: can be as a sophomore and going forward.
45:07
SPEAKER_02: So this is a question that cannot be asked of anyone that's associated or
45:11
SPEAKER_02: affiliated with the team,
45:12
SPEAKER_02: but it occurred to me,
45:14
SPEAKER_02: watching Manu play,
45:15
SPEAKER_02: clearly snaps somewhat limited still on Saturday,
45:19
SPEAKER_02: though he looked really good,
45:21
SPEAKER_02: and him blowing up that screen was one of the more devastating plays.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: seeing Rainy Saleh in uniform,
45:26
SPEAKER_02: which I had not noticed before,
45:28
SPEAKER_02: and thinking to myself,
45:30
SPEAKER_02: man,
45:31
SPEAKER_02: they're really developing,
45:33
SPEAKER_02: depending on how many guys they keep next year.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: Like, this could be a team that is really ready to pop a year from now.
45:40
Does that ever enter your mind when you look at how the
45:43
roster's made up and where
45:44
SPEAKER_02: guys are and maybe some of the bare spots on the roster?
45:47
SPEAKER_02: Because clearly, especially after the injury to Alupta,
45:54
middle linebacker was a spot that's missing and their little
45:56
light on the defensive
45:57
line though javon parker coming back that you really feel like
46:01
if depending on how
46:03
many guys they retain that this this could be a team that is
46:06
primed to pop a year
46:07
from now yeah i think a lot of stuff has been pointing to year
46:10
three um some folks
46:14
have been pointing to the big 10 schedule in year three since
46:17
it was released
46:18
SPEAKER_01: before last season um and it's i will say like i
46:23
SPEAKER_01: Nebraska and USC are both on it.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: So,
46:25
SPEAKER_01: like,
46:26
those are two programs that could maybe be seen as making a
46:29
move a little bit this
46:31
SPEAKER_01: year,
46:31
SPEAKER_01: and we'll see.
46:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, no one really trusts Lincoln Riley.
46:35
SPEAKER_02: I'll say that on Nebraska.
46:36
Nebraska looks,
46:37
even though they've got the crazy quarterback,
46:39
I don't know about USC.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: They got Michigan this week.
46:43
SPEAKER_01: They've got Penn State coming to Seattle, but...
46:47
SPEAKER_01: They'll be a different team than they are this year.
46:50
SPEAKER_01: And how good are they this year?
46:51
SPEAKER_02: What happens when Penn State comes to the West Coast?
46:54
SPEAKER_01: So they do play at Autzen.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: It's not an easy schedule,
46:58
SPEAKER_01: and it could look,
46:58
SPEAKER_01: I think,
46:59
SPEAKER_01: a lot more difficult by the time it rolls around.
47:01
But point being,
47:02
like,
47:02
yeah,
47:02
year three's kind of been circled a little bit.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: Tamar Williams Jr.
47:05
SPEAKER_01: will be a junior.
47:07
Adam Mohamed is right there to take over for Jonah Coleman at
47:11
running back.
47:12
They really like these young receivers,
47:13
though they'll be replacing Denzel Boston.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: Decker DeGraff will be a junior.
47:17
SPEAKER_01: John Mills will be a sophomore.
47:19
SPEAKER_01: Landon Hatchett will be a senior.
47:20
SPEAKER_01: Drew Azapardi will be a senior.
47:23
I think you're going to expect true freshmen like Derek Coleman
47:26
Brusa to be involved.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: Maybe Cody Green, their five-star offensive tackle commit gets involved.
47:32
SPEAKER_01: Brian Bonner,
47:34
four-star running back recruit who we talked about being one of
47:36
their best running
47:37
SPEAKER_01: back recruits of the internet era.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Maybe he's able to help out right away.
47:41
SPEAKER_01: So,
47:43
You know,
47:44
I think they return some guys on the interior D-line who can
47:47
help them.
47:47
SPEAKER_01: I would imagine that they'll target that position in the portal again.
47:51
That's kind of the one spot where they haven't built the depth
47:55
through the 25 and
47:56
SPEAKER_01: 26 recruiting classes.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: You've got another year of Alex McLaughlin.
48:01
SPEAKER_01: Ryland Dillard Allen will be a sophomore.
48:03
SPEAKER_01: Dylan Robinson will be a sophomore.
48:05
SPEAKER_01: Zadrius Rainey-Saleh will be either a redshirt freshman or a sophomore.
48:08
I imagine they're not going to bother redshirting him even
48:10
halfway through the year.
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SPEAKER_01: He's not a five-year player.
48:14
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot to like.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: It's a young core.
48:17
And I think I've heard some people kind of compare this team to
48:22
Chris Peterson's
48:23
2015 team where Jake Browning and Trey Adams and Myles Gaskin
48:29
are starting at
48:30
SPEAKER_01: critical offensive positions as true freshmen.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:33
SPEAKER_01: Buda Baker and Sidney Jones are sophomores.
48:36
Azeem Victor and Keyshawn Bearia are starting at linebacker for
48:39
the first time.
48:40
You're seeing what you've got in Elijah Qualls and Greg Gaines
48:44
and Vita Vea.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: And,
48:45
SPEAKER_01: you know,
48:46
SPEAKER_01: is this a core that's going to go on to win its league and,
48:50
SPEAKER_01: you know,
48:51
SPEAKER_01: be one of the top four teams in the country next year?
48:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't know about that, but I do think you're kind of seeing –
48:57
you're seeing flashes of young talent that does sort of point
49:00
to next year having
49:01
SPEAKER_01: some real potential.
49:02
And,
49:02
you know,
49:03
the biggest piece of that is having DeMond Williams Jr.,
49:06
right?
49:07
Like having the quarterback figured out and assuming he
49:09
continues to progress and
49:10
SPEAKER_01: impress through the rest of this year.
49:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I, you know,
49:15
SPEAKER_01: The way that people were talking about Illinois coming into this year,
49:19
SPEAKER_01: I think that could be Washington.
49:20
SPEAKER_01: No!
49:21
SPEAKER_02: No!
49:21
SPEAKER_02: Depending on how it plays out.
49:23
SPEAKER_02: We don't want any of the bad juju of the over-hyped... No, no, no.
49:28
SPEAKER_01: We're not talking about results, Danny.
49:29
SPEAKER_01: The over-promise, under-deliver...
49:31
SPEAKER_01: We're not talking about results.
49:32
SPEAKER_01: We're not talking about outcomes.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: We're not talking about reality.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the attention economy.
49:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there we go.
49:38
I do think they will be positioned to be heavily featured in
49:42
the attention economy
49:44
SPEAKER_01: going into next season.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: And however it plays out, it plays out.
49:47
SPEAKER_02: They're going to have a lot of the technical term for that is buzz.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: Buzz.
49:53
SPEAKER_02: They'll have a lot of buzz coming into next year.
49:58
SPEAKER_01: What's all Buzz McFarlane got for us?
50:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, Ian McFarlane.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
50:02
SPEAKER_02: I wonder if his nickname, if he's ever been called Buzz.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: Could you see that?
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Buzz McFarlane?
50:09
SPEAKER_02: Buzz McFarlane.
50:10
SPEAKER_02: Our conversation with IP McFarlane from IPMcFarlane.com.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: That was about how we drew it up, right?
50:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, go on the road, get a 24-20 win against a solid team.
50:25
SPEAKER_00: You know, throw for a couple touchdowns, run for one.
50:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like, this is what we were looking for.
50:32
We don't need to dwell on the fact that I shut off a UW game in
50:38
the second quarter
50:39
for the first time in my life and rejoined my wife on the
50:46
little vacation we were
50:47
SPEAKER_00: on by the pool.
50:51
SPEAKER_00: You know,
50:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
50:53
SPEAKER_00: if we are going to dwell on it,
50:55
SPEAKER_00: the hero of the weekend is Patrick,
51:00
the LSU fan by the pool that started speaking with me and
51:06
called me a word that I
51:07
SPEAKER_00: don't know if we say on Say Who Say Pod for not watching my team.
51:14
SPEAKER_00: So I did get back to the room and see the end of that.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: I...
51:20
SPEAKER_00: At the risk of saying another word,
51:22
SPEAKER_00: I think this word's okay on Say Who Say Pod,
51:26
SPEAKER_00: but at the risk of that,
51:28
SPEAKER_00: my question this week,
51:35
SPEAKER_00: is this team a little light in the ass?
51:39
SPEAKER_00: I love the skill positions.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: I thought the comeback was really exciting, and I think they have it.
51:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they have much chance against Oregon,
51:50
but I think they have a chance against every other team on
51:53
their schedule.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: But as the injuries continue to pile up,
51:59
SPEAKER_00: as the gauntlet of Big Ten bruising schedules continues,
52:07
is the slim nature of the posteriors of UW's big people going
52:17
to be a problem?
52:19
SPEAKER_00: I apologize about the recent sound quality.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: My new mic is on order.
52:23
So you can see this ugly mug with slightly better sound quality
52:29
going forward.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: Be good.
52:32
SPEAKER_00: Go Dawgs.
52:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're a little light.
52:36
SPEAKER_02: and maybe it's not light because it's not weight,
52:39
SPEAKER_02: but I would say that their defensive line,
52:42
their defensive line is not as strong as maybe even your
52:48
average Big Ten defensive
52:49
SPEAKER_02: line.
52:50
SPEAKER_02: That would be my impression.
52:53
SPEAKER_02: But I thought that the issue that you saw
52:56
SPEAKER_02: I thought the issue you saw on Saturday,
52:58
SPEAKER_02: especially in the first half,
52:59
SPEAKER_02: was just coming around the edge.
53:01
SPEAKER_02: And Maryland's got a couple of pretty dynamic edge rushers.
53:04
And on the left side with a backup left tackle,
53:07
Washington was clearly outmatched there.
53:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they've certainly gotten bigger.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: You know,
53:17
it's funny that Jed Fish talks about getting bigger and looking
53:20
at Maryland's
53:21
SPEAKER_01: defense,
53:21
SPEAKER_01: and,
53:21
SPEAKER_01: you know,
53:22
SPEAKER_01: that's what the Big Ten looks like.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: It's, you know, long, strong athletes everywhere.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: I think Washington has that in the secondary.
53:35
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
53:37
SPEAKER_01: Even with Takario Davis out, because Dylan Robinson is huge too.
53:40
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
53:42
SPEAKER_01: Alex McLaughlin's a bit slight, but he's 6'2".
53:44
SPEAKER_02: That dude is a tackler.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: And he hits.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
53:49
SPEAKER_02: I love him.
53:50
SPEAKER_01: Him and him and Rylan Dillard Allen together next year.
53:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
53:55
that's kind of a that's like a potential enforcer back end that
54:00
they they haven't
54:01
SPEAKER_01: had in a while.
54:02
SPEAKER_01: But like a linebacker,
54:04
SPEAKER_01: you know,
54:05
SPEAKER_01: Buddha Alukta,
54:06
SPEAKER_01: Devin Bryant and Jacob Manu are all on the smaller side.
54:11
they're not the big long athletes that you probably would
54:15
target out of high school.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, neither is Desmond Roebuck.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:20
And so like when you see certain traits,
54:22
then,
54:23
then you're okay taking it on.
54:25
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, like they don't have a, they don't have a ton of size upfront.
54:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm,
54:31
SPEAKER_01: It's been,
54:31
SPEAKER_01: you know,
54:31
SPEAKER_01: their two biggest defensive linemen,
54:33
SPEAKER_01: Samote Pepa and Logan Sagapalu,
54:34
SPEAKER_01: who play pretty much exclusively nose tackle in five down fronts,
54:39
SPEAKER_01: have not gotten on the field a ton.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: I think Sagapalu was dealing with an injury.
54:42
SPEAKER_01: He basically isn't part of the rotation.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: And Pepa is playing like seven to ten snaps.
54:50
SPEAKER_01: Maybe he played a little more against Ohio State.
54:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, Bryce Butler's 6'5 and 320.
54:55
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: I think the Parker twins are both pretty good size.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: They don't have,
55:03
SPEAKER_01: you know,
55:04
SPEAKER_01: Ontario Thompson is not the heaviest,
55:07
SPEAKER_01: but,
55:07
SPEAKER_01: like,
55:07
SPEAKER_01: you look at that guy and don't think he's undersized,
55:10
SPEAKER_01: right?
55:12
SPEAKER_01: They don't have the big,
55:13
SPEAKER_01: long,
55:13
SPEAKER_01: like,
55:14
SPEAKER_01: you know,
55:15
SPEAKER_01: 6'4",
55:17
SPEAKER_01: crazy nimble at 330 pounds or whatever,
55:20
SPEAKER_01: you know,
55:21
SPEAKER_01: just these high-level,
55:23
early-round NFL draft prospects like Ohio State and Alabama and
55:28
Georgia seem to
55:28
SPEAKER_01: churn out every year.
55:31
SPEAKER_02: Throw Michigan in there, too.
55:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: And then Oregon's edge rushers are insane.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: Oregon has some incredible talent at edge rush.
55:41
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I think what you said is accurate.
55:44
Washington is not threatening to be among the three most
55:48
dominant defensive lines.
55:50
SPEAKER_02: It's not an inadequate line either, though.
55:54
SPEAKER_02: Their defense is more formidable than it was last year.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
55:59
and I think the biggest upgrade is just not having too
56:05
precipitous of a drop-off
56:06
SPEAKER_01: between number one and number five in the interior D-line rotation.
56:11
It's not that you'd put one through three up against anybody in
56:15
the league,
56:16
but you feel pretty good about rolling your fourth and fifth
56:20
guys through there for
56:21
SPEAKER_01: whatever duty is needed.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: And I think that helps one through three play better.
56:25
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I look...
56:29
SPEAKER_01: Sebastian Valdez is proving to be a pretty good football player, right?
56:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
56:35
SPEAKER_01: And so they put a lot on him last year.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: They didn't have like a ton of talent around him up front.
56:43
SPEAKER_01: And so that changes things.
56:44
SPEAKER_01: But like,
56:45
SPEAKER_01: you know,
56:46
SPEAKER_01: you go from Sebastian Valdez,
56:48
SPEAKER_01: Jacob Bandus,
56:50
SPEAKER_01: and gosh,
56:51
SPEAKER_01: who played the third most snaps for them on the interior last year?
56:53
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't Alineas Davis.
56:57
SPEAKER_01: Someone like Alineas Davis has made a move.
56:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it changed so much because Parker got hurt.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: Well, Parker got hurt at Rutgers.
57:03
SPEAKER_01: Right, like Javon Parker was their best guy, at least for that game.
57:08
He was literally just starting to emerge as maybe their very
57:12
best interior D
57:13
SPEAKER_01: lineman when they lost him.
57:15
But look,
57:16
you went from,
57:16
oh my gosh,
57:18
this team is completely different without Javon Parker.
57:23
SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's a huge loss.
57:26
SPEAKER_01: To opening this season without him.
57:29
And now looking at the rotation,
57:31
and he's not going to step right into the starting lineup.
57:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's going to play snaps over Alineas Davis.
57:41
SPEAKER_01: And so you basically have three starters there,
57:43
SPEAKER_01: Ontario Thompson,
57:44
SPEAKER_01: Taitai Uyunglele,
57:45
SPEAKER_01: and Alineas Davis,
57:46
SPEAKER_01: who played like equal snaps against Maryland,
57:48
SPEAKER_01: even though,
57:49
SPEAKER_01: you know,
57:50
SPEAKER_01: they largely have been in four-man fronts,
57:51
SPEAKER_01: at least in terms of the D-line and edge personnel they put on the field.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of times it's just two of those guys.
58:00
SPEAKER_01: Davis has started here and there.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: Bryce Butler was the first out there for at least one game.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: you know,
58:06
I think it's a good problem to have where you're looking at it
58:09
and thinking,
58:10
SPEAKER_01: where does Javon Parker fit in,
58:12
SPEAKER_01: in the pecking order?
58:13
Because you would have ended last year thinking he's got a
58:16
chance to be number one
58:18
SPEAKER_01: going into 2025.
58:18
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know that he takes snaps away from,
58:24
SPEAKER_01: you know,
58:26
SPEAKER_01: unless you're just trying to lighten the load for everybody,
58:29
SPEAKER_01: away from Uyunglele Thompson or Alineas Davis,
58:33
SPEAKER_01: who I think is playing well.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: So,
58:35
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's one more body.
58:38
You're going to have Javon and Armand playing together for the
58:41
first time.
58:43
Maybe they can actually get those guys on the field together
58:45
for the first time.
58:45
SPEAKER_01: That'd be cool in year four for both of them.
58:48
So this is as healthy and as deep as they've been on the
58:51
interior D-line for quite a while.
58:54
Like,
58:55
you know,
58:55
look at how different they were without Tuli Latuli and Asanoa
58:58
in 2023.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
59:00
They didn't have the depth then either,
59:02
and they played for a national championship.
59:04
SPEAKER_02: He was dealing with that the whole year.
59:05
SPEAKER_02: I would say that.
59:07
SPEAKER_02: Last year,
59:08
the lack of depth along the defensive line made Washington
59:15
uncompetitive in
59:17
SPEAKER_02: multiple games.
59:19
SPEAKER_02: And that's not happening this year.
59:21
SPEAKER_02: And against Maryland, Maryland didn't push them around.
59:26
SPEAKER_02: Maryland basically just chipped away on their defense,
59:30
SPEAKER_02: but it wasn't like they were blowing Washington off the ball.
59:32
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like their offense was able to do whatever it wanted.
59:36
SPEAKER_02: It was sort of a drip,
59:37
SPEAKER_02: drip,
59:37
SPEAKER_02: drip attack that eventually,
59:39
SPEAKER_02: and eventually they shut the faucet off.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: But yeah,
59:43
SPEAKER_02: in general,
59:44
SPEAKER_02: they definitely could get stronger,
59:48
SPEAKER_02: but you've seen market improvement there.
59:52
Yeah,
59:52
I think they are what they are this year,
59:55
and the arrow is pointing up.
59:58
SPEAKER_02: I think that's fair.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: You know,
1:00:01
I think there's some thought that Derek Coleman-Brusa becomes
1:00:03
an interior player
1:00:05
SPEAKER_01: once he gets to Washington.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_01: Really?
1:00:06
SPEAKER_01: They're signing...
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean,
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: I think he's the sort of athlete who can do it all,
1:00:13
but if he can give you those pass rush skills playing in the
1:00:20
middle instead of on
1:00:21
SPEAKER_01: the edge,
1:00:22
and if you feel like you can get enough else from some of the
1:00:25
edge rushers you have
1:00:26
SPEAKER_01: in the program,
1:00:27
SPEAKER_01: then I think that's probably the path,
1:00:29
SPEAKER_01: but...
1:00:30
SPEAKER_01: You know, you never know, right?
1:00:31
SPEAKER_01: Like every,
1:00:32
I feel like it's said about every high level edge prospect at
1:00:35
some point that like,
1:00:36
SPEAKER_01: oh,
1:00:36
SPEAKER_01: well,
1:00:37
SPEAKER_01: but he's got the friend,
1:00:37
SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:00:38
SPEAKER_01: he could,
1:00:38
SPEAKER_01: he could grow into a three tack or whatever.
1:00:41
It's even harder to project at Washington with Ryan Walters
1:00:43
because of the fronts he uses.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you really, you see five-man fronts.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_02: It is hard to project exactly what they're doing.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you do hear it about every elite level pass rusher.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_02: They're like,
1:00:56
he could put on some weight and be inside because every
1:00:58
defensive coordinator is
1:00:59
SPEAKER_02: like,
1:01:00
SPEAKER_02: man,
1:01:00
SPEAKER_02: you can get somebody like Aaron Donald.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_02: You see what that guy does to people?
1:01:05
SPEAKER_02: You don't know how it's going to work out.
1:01:07
In large part because those guys are never going against people
1:01:10
that are stronger
1:01:11
SPEAKER_02: than them when they're in high school.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_01: Fair to assume that Oregon remains number one.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_02: Yes, in our Pac-12 power rankings.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_02: No shakeup at the top.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_02: Although we do have a showdown this week.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_02: It's very interesting, the tiers of the Pac-12.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_02: We have Oregon at the top.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_02: Then we have four teams that are 4-1.
1:01:32
SPEAKER_02: Arizona State, USC, Washington, and Utah.
1:01:35
Some of this will sort itself out this week because Utah and
1:01:38
Arizona State.
1:01:39
SPEAKER_02: How do you rank those four?
1:01:40
SPEAKER_02: ASU, USC, Washington, Utah.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I had...
1:01:47
SPEAKER_02: I had that order last week, I believe.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_02: I did too.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm vaulting Washington ahead of USC.
1:01:54
Partly because of Lincoln Riley's whining and partly because I
1:01:57
want to give
1:01:57
SPEAKER_02: Washington credit for going on the road and beating Maryland.
1:02:00
Washington did do what USC could not do last year,
1:02:02
which is win at Maryland.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to keep the same order, two through five.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_02: Then we've got, well, actually there's five, because five 4-1 teams.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_02: And then there's Arizona.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_02: Arizona is the ranked sixth, I think, very clearly in the conference.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_02: They are not in the conversation with those teams above them.
1:02:22
They just drubbed Oklahoma State,
1:02:24
who is one of the worst programs in the country this year.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, incredible how far they've fallen, but we knew that already.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_01: Cal, next at 4-2 is Cal's seventh.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_01: They just got smacked by Duke at home.
1:02:40
SPEAKER_01: Beat down by Duke.
1:02:42
But,
1:02:45
I mean,
1:02:48
obviously not Oregon State or UCLA,
1:02:51
despite their shocking win over Penn State.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_01: Not Wazoo.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: Colorado's struggling too much.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_01: I go Colorado 2-4.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_02: They lost to TCU, but it was respectable.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, on the road.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_01: Another fourth quarter got away from them.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I'll go Cal 7 and Colorado 8.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_01: Then we've got a choice between Stanford and Wazoo.
1:03:18
SPEAKER_02: Stanford, 2-3.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_02: They just edged out San Jose State, 30-29.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_02: Cougs had a bye.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_02: They are 3-2.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_02: Did I have Wazoo ahead of Colorado last week?
1:03:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't know.
1:03:31
SPEAKER_01: I might have.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm comfortable with Wazoo ahead of Stanford.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_02: I would agree with that.
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SPEAKER_02: And then now we've got the choice between UCLA, Oregon State.
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SPEAKER_02: Does UCLA vault ahead of Stanford?
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SPEAKER_02: I think so.
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SPEAKER_02: I read... I think so.
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I read that this was the first time in like 40 years that a top
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10 team had lost to
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SPEAKER_02: a team that was 0-4 or worse.
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SPEAKER_02: Essentially meaning,
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which isn't a great because it could be 1-7 and that wouldn't
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qualify for that.
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SPEAKER_02: But a winless,
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SPEAKER_02: a team that had played more than four games and gone winless,
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SPEAKER_02: it's the first time a top 10 team had lost to one of those.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't think of a more surprising upset than...
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Cal losing like it did to San Diego State was not shocking for
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the fact that like
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SPEAKER_01: San Diego State beat Cal.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's Cal.
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SPEAKER_01: But the margin was crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I could not possibly have predicted that margin.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: UCLA beating Penn State and scoring 42 points.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, UCLA, I thought UCLA was going to go 0-12.
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And that's the Penn State team that has been building toward a
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national championship.
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SPEAKER_02: They'd just gone to overtime with Oregon.
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SPEAKER_02: Felt like, oh, that's a team you're going to see again.
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SPEAKER_02: And then they go out and lose at UCLA.
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SPEAKER_02: And now people are talking about James Franklin.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, if he loses again, they're probably not getting in the playoff.
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SPEAKER_02: And he might be cooked, even though he's got a $50 million buyout.
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Every national writer together in unison after that game had
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the same take of Penn
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State and James Franklin should work out a mutual separation
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and he should take
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SPEAKER_01: another job somewhere.
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SPEAKER_02: So funny.
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SPEAKER_02: Is that because people just, that James Franklin annoys people?
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SPEAKER_01: Boy, they sure don't like him at Maryland.
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SPEAKER_01: Um...
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SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, well, I think he does a little bit.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think it's just,
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SPEAKER_01: look,
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you already have been dragging around this reputation that you
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can't win the big
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SPEAKER_01: one.
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SPEAKER_01: That's been well earned.
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You're coming off of not winning the big one at home,
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wide out night against a top Big Ten team.
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SPEAKER_01: Another chance for a big win.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't get it.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you go lose at UCLA.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: if they'd won that game 52 to 10,
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SPEAKER_01: people would still be annoyed about the Oregon loss.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So I think it's like, like, it's been a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: You haven't gotten over the hump.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a really good program that wins a ton.
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SPEAKER_01: That is the envy of most of FBS.
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SPEAKER_01: But.
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You know,
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you just can't get over that,
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can't get past that,
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like,
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can't beat good teams thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And even last year,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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going to the playoff and they didn't really have to beat
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anybody to get where they
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SPEAKER_01: got last year.
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SPEAKER_01: So I could see it just.
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SPEAKER_01: I could see how people there can get to a point where I just,
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SPEAKER_01: let's see what someone else can do.
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SPEAKER_01: We know what the ceiling is with James Franklin and it's not good enough.
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And I could see whoever they hired to replace him not coming
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anywhere near winning
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SPEAKER_01: as many games as he has there.
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SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Oregon State.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe next week.
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SPEAKER_02: Lose to Appalachian State.
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SPEAKER_02: That one was tough.
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SPEAKER_02: Did you see, last thing from me, did you see Sark's quote?
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't, no.
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stark was being grilled about it he asked he asked what there's
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136 uh teams in the
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country you see how many of them would fare if they go up on
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the road to play at
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ohio state and then play at florida it's like totally
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unreasonable to expect a team
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that was ranked number one in the preseason to go play and win
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at one in three
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SPEAKER_02: florida
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That's not what folks want to hear from the head coach at the
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University of Texas.
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SPEAKER_02: Joel Anderson, who he played at TCU.
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SPEAKER_02: He was a running back at TCU.
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SPEAKER_02: I believe was once the fastest 10-year-old in the country.
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SPEAKER_02: Maybe it was 12 years old.
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SPEAKER_02: At some point, he was a grade school.
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SPEAKER_02: He now works at the Ringer.
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He has a thing he uses called LOL Longhorns when Texas does
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something that he deems
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SPEAKER_02: embarrassing,
1:07:48
SPEAKER_02: and that was an LOL Longhorns.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to dive a little bit deeper into Rutgers later this week,
1:07:56
SPEAKER_01: Thursday,
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SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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SPEAKER_01: short week.
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But this is a top 30 passing offense in college football this
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year in both yards
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SPEAKER_01: per attempt and efficiency.
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SPEAKER_01: Ethan Kaliak-Manus putting up a lot better numbers than he did last year.
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SPEAKER_01: They are on a two-game losing streak,
1:08:13
SPEAKER_01: having lost to Iowa and Minnesota,
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SPEAKER_01: and they were off last week,
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the third of three consecutive opponents Washington's facing
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with that team coming
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SPEAKER_01: off of a bye.
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SPEAKER_01: Before we get going, silver lining to Washington's 9 a.m.
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SPEAKER_01: Pacific time kickoff at Michigan on October 18th.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_01: Michigan plays at USC at 4.30 Pacific time this coming Saturday.
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SPEAKER_01: So Washington will finish its game against Rutgers at about 9 p.m.
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SPEAKER_01: Friday, give or take, at home.
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Penn State,
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or excuse me,
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Michigan will arrive back in Ann Arbor,
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I figure at like 7 a.m.
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SPEAKER_01: Sunday or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: After a, what is a 7.30 p.m.
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SPEAKER_01: Eastern time kick in Los Angeles.
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SPEAKER_01: So...
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You get not just an extra day of prep going to play at
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Michigan,
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though it is a 9 a.m.
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SPEAKER_01: kick.
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You get some additional hours because of the long trip back
1:09:17
home after what is an
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SPEAKER_01: East Coast night game on the West Coast for Michigan.
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So if you're looking for little advantages or disadvantages,
1:09:25
just pointing that out.
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SPEAKER_02: Feel good about it.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm excited.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to the Friday game.
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SPEAKER_02: Looking forward to seeing how they fare at Michigan.
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Last week I said I thought the Michigan game might be the most
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important of the
1:09:39
SPEAKER_02: season,
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SPEAKER_02: and I really hope that is true.
1:09:41
SPEAKER_02: I hope that it is the most important game for them.
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I think they're about nine and a half point favorites against
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Rutgers this week.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is maybe even more so than Maryland.
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This is where like the extra week for Rutgers to prepare could
1:09:58
show up because
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SPEAKER_01: Washington's coming back from the East Coast on a short week.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_01: Granted,
1:10:02
SPEAKER_01: it was,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
1:10:03
SPEAKER_01: they get time back coming home and it was a 1230 Pacific time kickoff.
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SPEAKER_01: But they're beat up.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_01: It took a lot,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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maybe maybe had a large emotional expenditure to to win that
1:10:18
Maryland game.
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SPEAKER_01: And now you got to turn around and play on a Friday are playing at home.
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SPEAKER_01: But I do.
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I think this will be another challenge to to get them up and
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get them ready to play.
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SPEAKER_02: It's so much easier when you have the second half they had though.
1:10:31
SPEAKER_02: It's so much like if compared to reversing it,
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SPEAKER_02: what it would feel like this,
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SPEAKER_02: it's so much easier to feel that all of those things are not eliminated,
1:10:43
SPEAKER_02: but you do get the benefit of feeling like,
1:10:46
SPEAKER_02: man,
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we figured it out mid game and we've got this thing turned in
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the right direction
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SPEAKER_02: right now.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm, I'm, I'm, I am, I am optimistic about this game.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel good about where they're headed.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks to everybody listening everywhere.