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Street Farbrengen Episode 103 - Hey Teves - not who won? but Who flourishes? · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: One of the events around Hatavis was the celebration that the Bahram were involved in and the Rebbe getting extremely upset at the celebration and came out and said that the Didan Natsah is about learning.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm wondering, since that's part of the story, how that applies to you and me today.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_05: So how it applies to us is are we are we are we reading the books or are we just um focusing on the importance of reading the books but not actually doing it?
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_05: That makes any sense.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so then explain why.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because the entire picture was that there was dancing and singing and drinking.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: And that was the celebration.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: They were celebrating.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: Now the official celebration, I would imagine you could argue, is the Simcha for the Rebbe.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Would you agree with that?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, no, for sure.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_05: I mean I wasn't there, but I can imagine.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, there was the Simcha for the Rebbe that he got the books back, and anyone who was in the know and close to the uh, you know, the inner circle knew exactly what was at stake and what had happened, and the Rebbe said also in public that this was a a um uh it was a does it was uh a fight about who's on the bankle, who's on the chair, and the Rebbe himself.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so the Hasidim celebrated the it's kind of like what we spoke in uh recently.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: Is the Rebbe the mission or is the Rebbe the strategy?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_05: Also are we just cheerleading?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: So the the Rebbe comes out and screams at the Bachram for drinking, not per se drinking, but celebrating.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: And what does he say?
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: The whole idea was the mahus of the Frida Karebbe.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: The essence of the Frida Karebbe is in those books, right?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he said.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that the they were stealing the Frida Kareba in essence.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: And is so when you think about it, going back to that cheerleading concept that we spoke about, and we have to get past is how much of what I do and we speak about this all the time, but this is what a February's about.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_02: How much of what I do really comes from me?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: The the thing itself.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: I saw an interesting voort.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um I call it a voort because it's not a Jewish source.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: I saw an interesting idea that a person could decide, for example, they want to lose weight.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Beautiful.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure there's a lot of people joining us who fit into that category.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: And it it brings up what's the difference saying I want to lose weight versus I want to be in a place of health.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_05: Well losing weight is about the outcome of is is focusing on an outcome of an obviously external appearance, whereas health has to do with a lifestyle and general um general viewpoint of what your focus is and and in everything you're saying, but you're not touching the core.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: The core is I want to be health versus I want to lose weight.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you want to lose weight?
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this could be a number of reasons.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_02: Or let's say, for example, another example that's brought up is do you wanna everyone wants freedom.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do I want freedom because that's who I am?
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: Or do I want freedom because I don't want to be enslaved?
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: I so I'm running away from enslavement, thinking that therefore I'm gonna be free.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm running away from it.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: You're it's not necessarily that's who I am.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's not my state, it's not my identity myself.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: So going back to Hey Tevis, the Rebbe has this the the next year, the Sikha of the books speak for themselves.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: And he goes into the difference between Torah Shabaksav and Taurashabalpah and the Sefra Torah and the Sforum that speak about the Seifra Torah, about yeah, about the Sefraturah and explain it.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: And what does he mean by it speaks for themselves?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: That the whole essence of the Sefraturah is to expand into Torah Shabbal Peh.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: So what that tells you is that the essence of the learning process inside of you is something from very deep comes out.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: Tireshabaksab is very cryptic and so forth.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: And Ter Shabbat is not only an expansion on Tereshabab Khsav on the Sefraturah, but it's not as important as the Rebbe, the letters and the words that you you use for Terra Shabbat, as opposed to the Sefraturah.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_02: The words are very specific in how they're written, etc.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: So Terra Shabbal Peh is a lot of your own personal individual exploration and discovery.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: So the the Rebbe is saying that Ter Shabak is a set thing.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, we know it says called Tamil Vasik Asilakadesh, every student comes and then brings out something new.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's a very individual personal expression, not because you agree or disagree with the information, but you're bringing out from a very deep place into your consciousness, and you're the one to do it.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, talk about I mean, this is what you're describing, but this is this is Das.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_05: That when you're when you're talking about, you know, something that is an interpretation, it has to actually be a part of you.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_05: It has to, meaning like you you come to own it.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not talking about the end result.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: You're talking about the end result.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the process of getting out the idea.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: In other words, most people are very passive when it comes to learning.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Lay it on me.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Give me a dvar terra.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: Why isn't this turning me on?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Learning a mimor, especially from the Rebbe, the Rebbe's mimers are so crucial today for being an enlivened chasid.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of dead chasid them.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: But to be an enlivened chasid, why is that?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: Because the Rebbe forces you to travel with, I've said this to you before, to travel with him and come up with the empty spaces in between this the segues between one idea and the next.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: You have to come up with it.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: You have to break your head.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: You have to.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just as this as someone just told me today, I want to learn because I can get more information.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's passive.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I saw a word from um Nachman of Braslav.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, what's I don't tell anyone, I look into that.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's epicorsis in some of the, you know, some of the hallways and the boardrooms of Hasidim of Chabad.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: But in any case, so he says he gives an explanation that the heart, which of course the Al-Tanabhist says in Tanya, the heart is the center of heat in the body.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason for that essentially is because it's beating, it moves.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: All movement creates heat.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: And he gives then this example that when you get up off your chair, you cause movement, so it causes heat.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: When you sit down and you're placid, there's no heat.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: But he then goes and says in of Gavalde Kazah, he says, the truth is that when you get up off the chair, it was the thought and the rutzing of wanting to get up, which is really where the heat is.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's the movement.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then moves to the idea of you have to travel in your mind with Torah.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: And when you travel with your mind in Torah, and you go from one idea to the other idea, and you break it apart and you and you move with it, and you travel with in that infinite space that you're carving, that little space you're carving out in that infinite space, that creates heat.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: The heat of the mind.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're looking for data, then you don't have that really.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's not coming from you.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: You're just a you're just a dead receiver.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: When you're prying open what does this mean, and how does it talk to me?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I have to explore it till a point where I discover something new, that's energetic, that's energy, that's heat.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the difference between what the Rebbe's saying, Svorum are, that they're talking.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: The way the Fridaika Rebbe says, listen to the candles of Khanukkah, the Rebbe is saying, listen to the Svorum talking.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: And when you think about it, think about the scenario of the Hashkha Pratess of when the perpetrator took the sforum, right?
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: The little that he took for whatever his kavana was, his negative intentions.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was the thinking?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was in 770 for three years.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know those books existed in 770, right?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: And they were like they were in a room in a lock closet, which probably had, excuse the dramatic express uh description, but probably had the pipes from the bathrooms of on the second floor dripping into the bottom floor.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_02: That was kind of like where they were kept.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: I may be wrong, but it's a good dramatic scene.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he said they're not being used.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: They're not anybody's, they're mine.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_02: And he was able to walk in and take them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they had no covet, absolutely no covet, no, they didn't even have a position in the psyche of the very Gudis Chasid Chabad people that now have their name on the front of 770 that came in after that whole story of Hey Tavis.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: The books weren't talking.
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  SPEAKER_02: The books weren't saying, expand your mind.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: We own it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe some people knew about it and it was tucked away.
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  SPEAKER_02: After they come back, it's the same idea.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's like every year they sell all these sforum for heytavas at a cheap price.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe said your books should be learned to the point where they're falling apart.
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  SPEAKER_02: That takes a deep place to be in.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: So in a sense, are we drunk when we're not there?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_05: We're we're I don't know if drunk would be the I I get what you're saying, but what is it?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: What what does it mean to to do this more?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_05: I want you to describe it like what I was describing, and you kind of said, no, no, that's the that's the result, is the idea of DAS is making it your own and thinking about how it applies and making again making the questions questions that bother you and answers that satisfy you.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_05: That's not you know, that's not just getting information, that's trying to live with it, that's trying to see it as a living, breathing.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: What's the difference between a person I said before the example of a person who wants to be who wants to lose weight versus I am in a state of health?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's my goal, state of health.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: So therefore they're gonna lose weight, right?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Let's come use that formula with learning.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: What's the state of the person who's not?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they want more data.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: They want more information.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe they want to plug in and say I'm Yoitsi learning.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is that losing weight, or is that I'm in a state of health?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: That's I'm losing weight.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: So what is the equivalent I'm learning in the I in the equivalent of I'm in a state of health.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um I mean I thought I'd kind of said it, but I get where the the questions bother you.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: You you No, you The questions bother you is the equal to I want to lose weight.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: The questions are like fat.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_05: No, but I'm I'm a person who I want to tap into reality, and the only way to do that is to learn those farm because I don't see reality in uh on on that level.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you want to change your reality?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_05: Because I well, I'm just a person who wants to live more in reality.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_05: I want to be more connected.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_05: Because that's where people don't need to do that.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_05: That's where Hashem is.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_05: Hashem is is is exposing reality for uh on that deeper level, and there's infinite levels of that, just just like we're gonna be growing for forever.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the consciousness of Hashem in the world is only revealed and exposed with the understanding through the Sfarm.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you're waxing back now into philosophy.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know about you.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: No, that that is what it is.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_05: I when you learn Hasidis properly, you could see Hashem in the Sfarum, in your life, in the world, on a deeper level every time.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_05: Agreed.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not arguing with that.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_05: So then what so that's what it is.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's what what is?
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_05: That's the state of health.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_05: I want to get into a deeper state that's it's that's keeping a diet.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so what do you have in that?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know how you're gonna do it.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_05: What do you have in mind then, Ruby?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_05: I want to I don't have anything in a mind.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'm telling you that's what I think it is, but you're saying.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so what's yours then?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um do you think that's the way the Rebbe learns the Tara?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_04: What does it mean the Swarum are talking to me?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: And the Reb is explaining to mean you have to expand Ter Shbalpa.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's what they're there for.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: That implies, as you being the learner, that you're the expander.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's logical.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Not that you're the person creating reality or changing your reality.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: As you said.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's like saying, I'm saying, that's like saying going on a diet.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: I want more biceps.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: I want bigger biceps, I'm gonna learn more Tayrus Chasidis.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe is saying the Swarum are talking to me for you to open them up.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: So who are you in that scenario?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: You're the opener.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: I understand.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: But how do you think that's what you're doing?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: What is that what's it?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so what is that?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_05: What is that?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_05: What is that saying?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm listening.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: What is it saying that I'm the one, so to speak, I'll put it in these terms, doing a favor for the Svorim by opening them up.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're talking to me.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Terzhabak Sav is set, terzibal peh is dynamic, terse balpeh is waiting to.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Be discovered.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: And you're the one to be the one to discover and to dig and to find.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's not the objective of new reality.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: That will happen.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: There's no question about it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: But that's not the object.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the who am I.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_05: So what is it?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, but think about it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, listen.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it has to sink into the site.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't think you know the answer.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: This is a Fabrangan.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna have to wait till I have the download from Shemayam to give me the answer, okay?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my lordy.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's the difference between being a reactor to being a creator.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: That I'm reacting to things is not what we're talking about here.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: You're saying learning's farm, the way I was describing, is reacting to them?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's reacting to the reality that you're in and saying I want a different reality.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: I want a real reality.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's all good, it's all true.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: But you're not the you're not the developer and the creator there.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: You are a cre you know, there's a lot of memorium on this in Simple Stara in general, um, or more in specific, but Teret Siva Lanum Moisha, Marasha Kilas Yakov, and the Rebbe asks all these different questions about my Yerusha and so forth.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: But what does it mean that I have the capability, not only no, not the capability, the role to what did the Rebbe say?
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe said the books came out of bondage and they're waiting and talking to you to free them up by learning them.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: You're freeing the books.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_04: They're not freeing you.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so what what's the answer?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: What to what?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_05: So what I'm saying that take on that how does that feel?
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: Put that cap on your head.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: That I'm the one that is freeing the books by learning them.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: Not by learning them, by expanding on Torah through learning them.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: The books are the books already.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna imbibe them and expand on them more.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_05: So has so so when you put on that cap, yeah, then your objective is what?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not talking about objective.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about who you are.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_05: And you are okay, so who you are is I am not doing this like I said before to expand my consciousness of God and the world and into my life, etc.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_05: etc.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_05: is even though that all takes place.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_05: Even though that all takes place.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: If you live in a state of wanting to be health, you will do all those things that need to be done.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Got it.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: But you are an expander of those Swarim.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_05: As bequeathed to you by obviously Ashem.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_05: But you gotta give me more.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_05: Bring it down more of what that identity what that identity feels like.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_05: How does that feel, Ruven?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: How does it feel?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I you're not gonna like my answer.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: What's new?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Just kidding.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I know I understand who I am.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: You don't you don't you don't surprise me.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because I know who I am.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, no problem.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I can't use the four-letter words about myself on public podcasting.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: So how does it feel?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: You feel yourself.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: You feel yeshis?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're not ego, not easy.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: So what do you say?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: Is that expensive?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's so interesting.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: The Hasidim don't get what it means to feel one's own self.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: They always think of it as ego.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's right.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Therefore, the guys, the guys who are the biggest egos control the guys who are thinking they should be thinking of themselves as little egos.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Gosh.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you a question.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: When the altar rabbit speaks about Messirus Nefesh, of a yid who won't bow down to an idol, he speaks about in 18 and 19 in Tanya, right?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Chapter 18 and 19.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: Does the person experience himself or that he doesn't exist?
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: He experiences himself.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is that ego?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Ego is the interpretation of the experience.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, good.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Keep on going.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Learning in order to acquire more information is ego.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Learning because I have to, in essence, is gonna be ego.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now the Reb is saying the Swarum are asking you to open them up.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, it's an interesting idea because what you're doing is you're saying, I'm gonna serve somebody else by applying my intelligence.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Service.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: You're opening up the swaram.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: So that's already on a different level.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: When you think about it, I just saw that there's this great new product um, I don't know if it's new, but there's this great publication that came out called Tanya Hashlamis.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um and there's a lot of notes in there about Tanya and so forth.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things they bring out is that we know that Tanya's Taroshabik Sav, right?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: So what was Tar Shabak Sav?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: When you think about it, is it a Eureda from where it came from?
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or not?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: How do you say it's not when now it's in Oylama Zahagashmi?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, that's the kidish of what it is.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: Explain.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_05: That Hashem was able to do that is the kidish that it he was able.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, we know he's able, but that was the accomplishment, is that now we have something down here below that is connected and not mitsumsum and not uh diminished and not in any way altered from where it's coming from.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what Tanya is.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: He explains.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: And you're the one to open it up.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: So and it's waiting for you to open it up.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it does two things.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, it's saying something about me.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna open up that.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: We say, Torah Louis Bishamayam here, right?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: The famous story in the Gomorrah.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: So Torah's not in heaven.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: What is that saying?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Who you are, and what your role is as who you are.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I think when the Rebbe comes out, this is the way I see it.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm being a little poetic.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite and only poet that I listen I read.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: I don't read, but I sing too, is Leonard Cohen.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm being a little Leonard Cohen, like just uh I love a shalom.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like yeah, just to make me feel good.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe comes out to a scene of kosher debauchery, debauchery, kosher debauchery, and they're celebrating the sforum.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: They're celebrating an event, they're celebrating an outcome the way they understand it.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: And the Rebbe comes out and says, essentially, and you know, obviously I'm cutting time in this, comes out and says, What are the sforum telling you?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: What are they saying to you?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: They want to be expanded upon.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: You're celebrating an event and reacting to an event, and I'm coming out and telling you you got it all wrong.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: You missed it all.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Now, intertwined with this whole story, by the way, is the Rebbe's statement that all of this was about um challenging his leadership.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: So it put the two together, man.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_02: And let's go further.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um we are living in a period of time post-Gimel Thomas, and I don't care what you believe, it ain't the same as before Gimel Thomas.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: But all of this still applies.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: And all of about Mashiach even applies more.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because the ch I'm gonna say to you let's equate the the opposition to the Rebbe, as he said it in the Sikha, who's sitting on the bench.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Let's equate that statement with the Sporum are asking to be learned.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: So let's put you follow what I'm saying.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm getting the Nikoda, yeah.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it is sh I'm not sure I am.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_05: You're you're saying the again, a little poetic, maybe not exactly what you meant, but the the idea of who is on the bench is up to your, like we were talking about last time, your agency and your ownership over you being the one to open up those farm.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_05: So the same way back then the Rebbe was saying you guys are missing the point.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_05: Now, going back to the original idea of cheerleading, the point here is not to cheerlead.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_05: The point here is not to convince people that Hasidis is better than everything else.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_05: The point is for you to live in a state of expansion, okay, learning, being.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and I'm gonna say to you to draw the lines, tell me what you think about this.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: The Rebbe says the Sforum are talking to you, they want to be learned.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's the same thing that the Rebbe said, the same thing when the Rebbe says, Meshiks here, only open up your eyes, the same thing of the Gullah of He Tevis that the Rebbes in a sense they're asking you to open him up.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's a big job.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, that is and and that's what I think.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: But that's the that's the switch.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's a big switch from the past.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_05: Not only is it a switch, I mean so why?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, you say why and then I'll tell you.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because before it was the Rebbe's gonna be Meshpi on me.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's you're gonna be Meshpi on the Rebbe, and that almost sounds like epicursis.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: But after Gimel Thomas, now it's very clear.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's very clear, right.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: What's the Pshat?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_02: I mean the Rebbe was saying who's sitting on the seat?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Now let me ask you a question.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: From your point of view today, what's the seat?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: What's the key say?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll leave that up for dramatic um pause.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um and people are still I go back to what I see in in the where I dub in.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: Does a chaban chassid go to the oil?
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Let me let's forget about a chabar chasid.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Does the reb go to the oil, to the Friday Rebbe, in the same way, let's say, that somebody goes to the Oihil of the Ribnitzer or the Yeshaya or Rebnachman?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know how they go to They go there for a bracha.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, they go there for yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_05: I mean we've They go there for salvation.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_05: So different Hasidim, obviously, depending on where they're holding, you're gonna go.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Depending on where they go to, but it's the same to Tanua.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: And now even the Litfox have it.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Give them$280 or something like that, and they'll devin you for 40 days, and you'll for sure have a shiddoch.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a similar tenue.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: But the Rebbe comes along and flips it.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: You have to expand on this forum.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: You have to bring out after Gimel Thomas, and the Rebbe set it up in advance, I can show you where, in my estimation.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: You have to bring the Rebbe out.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_05: You have to bring Mashiach out.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: Now, Lukhora, what I'm saying is you bring Mashhiah Panay Mashmiya.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: That's which we I don't we I mean that doesn't work, does it?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_05: I could come up with a nice spara for it, but fine.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_05: Whatever, I don't know.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_05: You can say that you can say that I don't need to to I don't need to make up a idea of how to connect it there, but I I think you can.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: I think you can.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: So Bamela, what's the Bahrain of all of this?
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: All of this pontification.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_05: It's not pontification.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_05: It's okay.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_05: So I am I am going to feel myself the next time I open up a safer.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: And no, because you feel who you are, you're gonna open up a safer.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: Not that the safer's gonna make you feel who you are.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I got that.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I'm saying.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: And what's the shot?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: What are you gonna do to feel that way?
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_05: I'm gonna listen to Street Verbringen again.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: Make sure I remember the point.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Then you've you're in bad shape.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's it's have you ever given thought to the fact that there's like no leaders?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_05: No, seriously.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: I I've given it a lot of thought.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm laughing because it's sad, but there's no absol there's no one who really galvanizes a leadership.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe there's from what I see, there's the yanuka.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know the yanuka in Israel?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: They call him the yanuka.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he's like an amazing, you know, embodied, yeah.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: A miracle worker, an AI kind of intelligence that knows everything, um, which is amazing.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if he's galvanizing Jewelry like the way the Rebbe did.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: Well, uh before you continue, be because you were saying it before that by most Hasidim, they think that their job is to be the PR of the Rebbe and the Rebbe's teachings.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_05: And here you're saying very much galvanizing is an interesting term to describe what what it means, but like what does that really look like?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_05: What what does a leader need to do now to be a leader in Chabad?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um again, now you're I I don't know how I deal with the word leader, but you just said we're we're lacking leadership.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we are.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_05: So, okay.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_05: Well nobody's pretending to be the Rebbe, so we're not screwing that up, at least in Chabad.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_05: Well, in other places, maybe, but yeah.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: So what does it mean?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: What's the job now?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's what I'm saying to you.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, do you okay?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: So we're saying, do you feel you're the individual to open up this forum to expand Tershabiksa?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna say, Who am I?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm not a Tamil Khacham, a bab, ababa, ab, but this is your this is your your character in the script of learning Torah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: And we're saying the same thing by the Rebbe and Gul and Mashiach.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: That that's where we want to get there, that we're the ones, it's changing the word macable, Panay Meshias Met, but we're the ones to open up the ones sitting on the bench.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: Now, I'm not gonna suggest that that means you wear a Yeki Yamaka, that's not where I'm going.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_04: So um, I'm not sure.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_05: So let's think about it and come back next week.