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#1531 The Gift Out Of The Darkness - Trevor Hendy · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Trevor Ronald Handy. Welcome to the You Project, Raggie.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks mate, so good to be on with you, bro.
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  Speaker 2: We just had a wonderful podcast together last week, didn't
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  Speaker 2: we where you came on the Future Lab podcast that
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  Speaker 2: we're putting together hasn't launched just yet, but it was
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  Speaker 2: so beautiful. Just to reconnect with you and to cracking
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  Speaker 2: a bit deeper with each other was really cool, mate,
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  Speaker 2: some stoked to be on yours.
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  Speaker 1: Well, mate, it's mutual. I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: I loved you and I met one hundred years ago
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  Speaker 3: for a minute, but we haven't seen each other for
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  Speaker 3: a long time. I feel like in some ways we're
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  Speaker 3: really different. In some ways, we're kind of almost twins.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, the lovely Denise Denise Vaness, who is
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  Speaker 3: your co host on the Future Lab, which is going
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  Speaker 3: to be launched soon, so keep your ears and eyes
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  Speaker 3: out for that everyone.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I really enjoyed you know what.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed sitting down and we spoke for nearly two
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  Speaker 3: hours last week. And you know, time, when you're in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of something really good, time evaporates, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it's such a slippery construct. It's just I
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  Speaker 3: thought we'd been talking for forty minutes, and it was
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  Speaker 3: nearly an hour and fifty.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and absolutely, And I think time evaporates when
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  Speaker 2: you're doing something good and also when there's connection. You know,
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  Speaker 2: So as soon as we connect, I think all of
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  Speaker 2: the good, bad, right, wrong, you know, win, lose, success, failure,
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  Speaker 2: all the bullshit sort of four D sort of stuff
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  Speaker 2: just evaporates. And it's just a journey through exploring you know,
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  Speaker 2: feelings and thoughts and conversations, and you know, it looks
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  Speaker 2: just a little I suppose little bits of intuition and
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  Speaker 2: inspiration that we're popping up in the conversation. And I
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  Speaker 2: get that feeling a lot when I run breath retreats
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  Speaker 2: or I work with people. Time just disappears whenever there's connection.
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  Speaker 2: And I think connection trump's time, you know, it actually
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  Speaker 2: basically makes it. You know, time is the slave of
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  Speaker 2: connection or the other way around, you know. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that's probably one of the mistakes we make. As
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  Speaker 2: soon as we actually have a desire to connect with someone,
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  Speaker 2: everything else disappears, including any feeling shit about ourselves or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: because it's something Connection is a very powerful healer, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we spoke. I mean, among other things, last week
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  Speaker 3: we spoke. We spoke about living consciously and stepping out
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  Speaker 3: of the autopilotness of our existence. Like it's very easy
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four with you know, KPIs and to
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  Speaker 3: do lists and boxes to tick and teas to cross
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  Speaker 3: and eyes to dit and shit to get done and
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  Speaker 3: schedules and accountability and processes and fucking winning and posting,
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  Speaker 3: and it's very easy to look up and you go,
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  Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty six now, and I've basically been in
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  Speaker 3: groundhog Day for the last year or two or three,
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  Speaker 3: and we're always you know, there's things we're always intending
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  Speaker 3: to do, but we don't do those things. How do
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  Speaker 3: we open the door on, you know, being a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more aware and a little bit more conscious day
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  Speaker 3: to day rather than the unconscious kind of autopilot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. Look, I know you do a great
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  Speaker 2: job of helping people with this too. But from my
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  Speaker 2: perspective and what I've learned is well, firstly, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like two main versions of myself. There's
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  Speaker 2: the version of myself that is wrapped up in the
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  Speaker 2: mind and the construct of the world, and the need
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  Speaker 2: to succeed and perform and prove and get ahead and
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  Speaker 2: stay on top and stay in front and stay relevant.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, have something special about me to be needed,
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  Speaker 2: to be required to be, you know, to stand out
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  Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form, you know, And that
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  Speaker 2: version of myself is rooted in fear and insecurity that
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  Speaker 2: if I'm not relevant, you know that the only way
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  Speaker 2: to succeed in this world is to stay in front
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  Speaker 2: of the pack. You know. It's not hard to take
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  Speaker 2: me from there back to racing. When I'm racing in
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  Speaker 2: a pack full of people, that is an iron man
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  Speaker 2: in the ocean, you know, And you've got to stay
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  Speaker 2: in front of the pack. And the one who wins
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  Speaker 2: the race gets the prize money, but he gets the sponsors,
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  Speaker 2: and he gets the girl probably you know, at the party.
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  Speaker 2: He gets the free drink yard and gets the respect
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  Speaker 2: and gets the title next to his name and all
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  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So even though that feels like
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  Speaker 2: a past life, as I've sort of transferred into helping
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  Speaker 2: people more and being more of service, I'm still completing
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  Speaker 2: this process of I suppose breaking down or dissolving the
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  Speaker 2: old or the original ego that needed to be in
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  Speaker 2: front needed to prove, need to perform, need to be
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  Speaker 2: on top of you know. And so I think that
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  Speaker 2: part of me, as I said, fear in insecurity. It
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  Speaker 2: operates on the belief that the universe life itself. If
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  Speaker 2: you're religious, you might say, God, you know whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: that that life itself.
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  Speaker 1: Is not that friendly.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to go out there and get it myself.
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  Speaker 2: And I've got a there's only a fair share, or
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's only a certain amount of resources, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm in a competition for them, whether it's love,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's money, whether it's respect, whether it's speaking jobs,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is, you know. So I think I have
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  Speaker 2: to be for that self to stay alive. Moment to moment.
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  Speaker 2: I have to believe that I'm not enough the way
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  Speaker 2: I am, and I've got to be more than myself,
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  Speaker 2: and that life itself is not enough, that it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have the answers for me. And I know there's an
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  Speaker 2: old Christian saying like asking you shall receive, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not religious, but I'm fascinated by the beautiful
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  Speaker 2: people that have walked before us, whether it's Christ or
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  Speaker 2: or whoever it may be. And they what they said
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  Speaker 2: and certainly how it was misconstrued and wrapped into a
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  Speaker 2: control mechanism. But the beauty of what they said, asking
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  Speaker 2: yourself shall receive has been something I've been really practicing lately,
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  Speaker 2: because when I ask and I say okay, I usually
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  Speaker 2: use the words universal life, I say sometimes I say angels.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll say beautiful many, you know, if I'm really
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  Speaker 2: need of some emotional help, but I'll say, okay, can
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  Speaker 2: you help me? Can you help me make my day
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  Speaker 2: effortless today? Can you help me line everything up so
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  Speaker 2: everybody comes at me right when I'm available? You know?
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  Speaker 2: Can you help me enjoy this and see the fun
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  Speaker 2: and the beauty and the whole thing. It's even as
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  Speaker 2: simple as that, you know. And then it might be
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  Speaker 2: can you help me with the financial resources? Look, I
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  Speaker 2: really want to go on that holiday. Can you help
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  Speaker 2: me free my calendar up. I actually found myself in
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  Speaker 2: the last five or six years, Craig, asking questions like
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  Speaker 2: that more and more often. And I'm fascinated to report
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  Speaker 2: that whenever I ask and I'm open to receiving, it
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  Speaker 2: works out in miraculous ways. So this old self that
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  Speaker 2: existed for a long time exists in the belief that
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  Speaker 2: that's not possible, that's not available. Got to fight for
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  Speaker 2: what you get and someone else is fighting for it too,
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  Speaker 2: and it's you versus then, And so that's the underpinnings
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  Speaker 2: of the belief of this other me. And then the
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  Speaker 2: other part of it is when I'm in that other
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  Speaker 2: me far out mate, I'm exhausted, I'm fried, I'm rattled,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not happy, I'm not myself, I'm not who I
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  Speaker 2: really want to be. I'm not attentive, I'm not caring,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not listening, I'm not functioning at the highest level.
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  Speaker 2: There's certainly no magic around me or it's very limited.
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  Speaker 2: And so not only does it not work for me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, moment to moment, it's like a trap. It's
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  Speaker 2: like a trap the belief that I'm not enough the
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  Speaker 2: way I am, and the world will not give me
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  Speaker 2: whatever I need to help me through this scenario, not
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  Speaker 2: what I want, but what I need. And so as
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  Speaker 2: I've began to shake that, it's like I started, and
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  Speaker 2: for those that are listening not watching, I started with
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  Speaker 2: this much of that self, that fearful, separate itself, separate
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  Speaker 2: from life, that needed to compete to survive and be relevant,
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  Speaker 2: and I had this much as an adult that was
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  Speaker 2: beginning to become aware of this too much, which is
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  Speaker 2: a tiny circle of beingness. And every time I've challenged
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  Speaker 2: the old self and this bigger circle that I'm holding of,
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  Speaker 2: the old self has shrunk down in its capacity to
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  Speaker 2: convince me that I'm smaller and on nothing and I
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  Speaker 2: need to be desperate. Every time it shrinks down, it's
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually taking energy out of that realm or reality
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  Speaker 2: or dimension of this old self, and it's feeding back
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  Speaker 2: into this other smaller circle that's expanding, which is my buingness.
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  Speaker 2: And it turns out my binginess is much bigger, my
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  Speaker 2: simple gentleness is much bigger my timelessness. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: talked about connection Trump's time. You know that that's much
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  Speaker 2: bigger than this little self. But this little self made
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  Speaker 2: itself out to be so big. It's beliefs were so
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  Speaker 2: dramatic and all of the fdence that you've got. But
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  Speaker 2: I've got kids and I'm mortgage in the house, and no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you know, can I stare on this one?
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  Speaker 3: Mate?
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  Speaker 2: You know? You know, no fuck is going to help me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I've got I'm on my own, So
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  Speaker 2: it's big and dramatic, but it's actually just operates in
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  Speaker 2: the belief that I'm not enough the way I am,
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  Speaker 2: and life wouldn't help me with what I really really
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  Speaker 2: want to need. So that the two selves have been
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  Speaker 2: an interesting thing where there's that old saying the white
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  Speaker 2: Wolf and the Black Wolf and they're in a fight
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  Speaker 2: to the death, and well, how do you know which ones? Everyone?
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  Speaker 2: Every man a woman's got the white wolf and the
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  Speaker 2: black wolf inside of them, and how do you know
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  Speaker 2: which is going to win? What's the one you feed?
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  Speaker 2: So the more that I've gone, every time I rush
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  Speaker 2: or I get busy, I get out of the moment
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  Speaker 2: I go. I can feel myself going rattling. I can
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  Speaker 2: feel myself getting agitated. I feel myself needing an answer
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  Speaker 2: from the next person, or needing, you know, whatever it
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  Speaker 2: is I need, and if I don't get it, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And so I'm like far out. It's getting
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  Speaker 2: becoming so obvious that I can't be attached to anything.
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  Speaker 2: I can still want and need things and like them,
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  Speaker 2: but when I'm attached to it like a high need,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gone. I can't expect anybody to operate anything other
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  Speaker 2: than their current level of consciousness. And they might have
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  Speaker 2: been my beautiful best mate yesterday, but they're stressed today.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's not listening to me at all. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, could be my partner, could be myself. You know.
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  Speaker 2: So I can't expect anything because expectation just destroys you.
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  Speaker 2: I can't put significance on things. I've got to have
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  Speaker 2: that open because that's basically significance is basically a limitation
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  Speaker 2: in disguise. So it means I'm carrying the limitation. Then
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  Speaker 2: unless I get that, I'm going to be in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: This is not going to work. And so those a
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  Speaker 2: great teacher I once work with. He put those four
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  Speaker 2: things together, significance, attachment, limitation, expectation, and it spells sale
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  Speaker 2: and you sold. Yeah, puts those four things and he
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  Speaker 2: basically said, they're the most dominant, predominant hooks that hook
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  Speaker 2: us back into out of the now, into the past
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  Speaker 2: and future, good and bad, right and wrong, win and lose,
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  Speaker 2: success and failure. Richard, poor, fat and skinny, dumb and smart,
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  Speaker 2: slow and fast, you know which is ultimately it's good enough,
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  Speaker 2: not good enough, acceptable, unacceptable. And I'm happier on Abby
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's a present or not present, I'm desperate
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  Speaker 2: or not you know, So those four things is you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you ask me, how do we stay present in
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  Speaker 2: this moment? I teach what I most need to learn,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm finding the more I teach it, the more
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  Speaker 2: I do learn it, so it's not all don't teach
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  Speaker 2: it till I've learned it. Fully, the more it's reflected
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  Speaker 2: back to me in different forms, the way other people
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  Speaker 2: are staying in the desperation, the more I get to
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  Speaker 2: see it in myself. And so what I'm discovering Ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: the long answer to this question is the more I'm
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  Speaker 2: in service to the moment, in service to the part
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  Speaker 2: of me that wants to be in service to others,
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  Speaker 2: you know, which is also means in service to the moment.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about building an ego that I help other people,
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  Speaker 2: because that's that's the same bullshit in disguise. It's more about, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we can all win at the same time if somebody
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  Speaker 2: in the conversation is present, you know, so presence being
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  Speaker 2: in the now, research, looking in and going and the
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  Speaker 2: now right now? Am I in the self? Am I
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  Speaker 2: trying to serve myself? Is this something I want, and
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  Speaker 2: if there is, it has to be totally okay for
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  Speaker 2: me to see it. Not, you know, that's wrong. I'm
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  Speaker 2: in service to the self. It's like, oh, what part
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  Speaker 2: of that, what part of me is still believing I
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  Speaker 2: can get something from this person rather than I can
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  Speaker 2: give or share something with this person where there's a
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  Speaker 2: win win, rather than you know, that's going to serve me.
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  Speaker 2: And if you serve me, I'll give you my full attention.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're not serving me, I'll dismiss you. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the person at the bus stop, the person in the shop.
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  Speaker 2: So slightly but surely, I'm moving as the Biggert circle,
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  Speaker 2: the bigger presence circle, and not what is now becoming
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  Speaker 2: the little self which was once the big circle. You know.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm finding That's the way I deal with twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four is I ask myself, do I need to
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  Speaker 2: make myself relevant today? Do I need to post that?
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  Speaker 2: If I post that, will I lose my presence to
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  Speaker 2: gain some future reward? And I'm beginning to go more
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  Speaker 2: and more going I coult screw it. I'm not posting anything.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm going to share. And I've just had
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful session with someone. I'm going to walk downstairs
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  Speaker 2: and be with my family, or I'm going to sit
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  Speaker 2: on the belcon I'm going to walk to the beach,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to stand my true self, not my
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  Speaker 2: little self. And I don't know, I still find it
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  Speaker 2: a challenge. I'm in the midst of it. I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm past the halfway point because it's easier for me
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  Speaker 2: to do now. But I'm grateful to report that. But
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  Speaker 2: I love what happens when I'm not in the me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when I'm in when i'm in the ass,
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  Speaker 2: when i'm when i'm seeing people as we're all, we're
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  Speaker 2: all more connected than we are separate.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's thanks man, that's beautiful. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like one of the challenges.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you you know, asking you to receive your lot.
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  Speaker 1: You quoted.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's in Matthew. I think in one of
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  Speaker 3: the Gospels, but you spoke before about that, and and
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  Speaker 3: there's also in the New Testament talks about this idea
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  Speaker 3: of being in the world but not of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I love that one. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and and and I think that's the you know,
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  Speaker 3: in all those cliches, and you know, I'm a like
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  Speaker 3: having a human, having a spiritual spirit, having a physical experience,
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  Speaker 3: and all of those things. And I get yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: And I think the duality of the duality of the
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  Speaker 3: human experience man is like, Yeah, you've got to you know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to pay the bills, you've got to stop
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  Speaker 3: at the traffic lights. You've got to pay the rent
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  Speaker 3: or pay the mortgage or whatever it is. You got
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  Speaker 3: to talk to people. You've got to talk to fucking
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  Speaker 3: harps on a podcast. You've got to get your shit ready.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to be on time. You've got to think clearly.
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  Speaker 3: Me too, And so there's all the practical requirements of
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  Speaker 3: requirements of being a human. But at the same time, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we want to open the door to the other. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like that the other in, but not of you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's like.
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  Speaker 2: What is this? How do I be?
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  Speaker 3: And we spoke the other day about how sometimes you know,
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  Speaker 3: I show up. I'm sure you do the same. I
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  Speaker 3: show up and I do a talk or a workshop
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  Speaker 3: with a company, and it's all very cerebral and cognitive
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  Speaker 3: and skill and I do a pretty good good job.
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  Speaker 3: But it's all me and then there's times when I
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  Speaker 3: do a different preparation and it's a bit more you know,
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a for want of a better term,
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  Speaker 3: a prayer or a meditation, and it's like something's coming
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  Speaker 3: through me, not from me, and it's like I'm not
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  Speaker 3: the answer at all. I'm just opening the door to
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  Speaker 3: the answer. I'm just a contu to the answer, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And that kind of when you can like truly not
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's all good to get on podcasts and
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  Speaker 3: do stuff where everyone talks deep and philosophically, and it's
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  Speaker 3: almost like I think sometimes a pr exercise, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure I've done that myself, but when you can truly
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  Speaker 3: try to get your head around the idea of being
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  Speaker 3: something really bigger than you. So I'm just a fucking
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  Speaker 3: tiny cog in this great, big, gorgeous machine that's trying
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  Speaker 3: to serve and help, and I don't know for me,
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  Speaker 3: the more I focus on me, the worst things go.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yes, I need to self manage to appoint,
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  Speaker 3: but it's like the more that I think about me
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  Speaker 3: and my body and my brand and this, the more
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  Speaker 3: the like I need to do that to a point,
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  Speaker 3: but I need to know where the cutoff is because
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  Speaker 3: if I start to obsess and hyper focus on that,
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  Speaker 3: now it's all about fucking Craig and Planet Craig, the
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  Speaker 3: Craig Show, then I become a prick, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: one of.
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  Speaker 2: The things that I was thinking about.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, member of the Order of Australia, six
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  Speaker 3: Australian Iron Men Championships, I think, four worlds or something,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: you know, multiple halls of fame, and you know, like
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: you were the best. You were the best for quite
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: a long time in the world at what you did.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: You're not saying that. I'm saying that, and your record
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: says that, which is fucking incredible and a planet of
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: eight billion people, I don't know what it was then,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: probably seven point five. But you are the best in
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: the world at a thing which is fucking incredible. But
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: it's very hard, well, I would imagine it's very hard
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to think about much else, and I would imagine it's
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: hard to not have your entire sense of self and
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: self worth intertwined with that thing that you are the
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: best in the world at.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Tell me about that, Tell.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Me about that, and tell me about overcoming that, because
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: that's not who you are.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That's just what you were fucking great.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: At Yeah, yeah, wow, so many places to go here, Okay.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: And the funny because it just segues right on from
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the last thing that we spoke about as well, like
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the self. You know, I was thinking about it before
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: the podcast is I'm I'm feeling Craig and I are
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: really going to chat about letting go of the self today,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the self, you know, the little me, and we're clearly
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: going to revolve around this one for sure, and I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: think it's a really powerful thing. I think. Firstly, before
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I answer that question, I just want to say that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the one thing I've discovered is that the me, the self,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the I planet, Craig planet, Trevor planet, whoever, it operates
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: under the idea that we're separate, you know. So I
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: love viewing God as source, you know, as doesn't have
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: that connotation of God. I love seeing it as source
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: because it just makes it feel like it's the source
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of everything, you know, source of life. It's the life force,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you know, and I know that we when we're in
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: our clearest moments, we feel like we're sharing the same
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: life force. And you're talking about doing your speeches and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: when you're in that almost prayer, meditation or speaking your
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: truth rather than your skills. You have this thing that
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: happens is almost like that holy spirit or moment. The
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: moment comes through or the spirit or and it's something,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: something is transcended and people go, oh my God, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: you know, and you know, I get it a lot
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: where people go, oh my God. You know, you can
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: look at six hundred people and six hundred people are crying,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you know. And so how did we get to this place?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Not by the story, but by the essence or the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: honesty or the vulnerability or the connectedness that's coming through
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the story. And so something magical happens in that moment,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: you know. And so the I always say that the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: great lie is that we are separate. You could call
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the great lie, the great distortion, the great The truth
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: is we share the same life force. We're much more
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: like than we are different. And we you know, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: love eck Tolls thing that your primary purpose in life
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: is to know yourself as source, you know, and your
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: secondary purpose is to do something with it. As soon
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: as you lose your primary purpose while doing your secondary purpose,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: you've got to return to your primary purpose. So you
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: know yourself a source and then you're going to try
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and help with your people. But then you start taking
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: what you're saying seriously, and you start defending your position,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and you start trying to promote it and sell it,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: put some gloss on it, and you've actually lost the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: primary purpose, which is know yourself as source to deliver
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: this secondary purpose which has help other people with it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So that the great revealer, or the great truth revealer
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: is is that we are all source, or we are
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: all one. So that sounds a bit strange, right for
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of people. A lot of people are like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: oh my god, yes, I'm ready for that. Some people
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: are what the hell are you talking about? But I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: know when I stand up and do a talk, I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: noticed that when I started to tell the story about racing.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: So if I told the story in the old days
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: about the racing and it showed how special I was,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and I utilized it to motivate people, afterwards, I would
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: feel like I'd done a good job, but I'd feel
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a bit icky on the inside, like a bit like oh,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I just kind of like I don't know, you know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: like self flatulation, you know, and but everyone to be
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: cheering you and clipping and saying what a great story.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: He's a great bloke, he's the guy next door. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: so the rules of this current planetary situation would say,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you've done a great job today, you really hit the mark.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You've inspired my crew. And then I'd noticed that the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: CEO would say that's just what they needed to hear,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: you know, like the CEO is the guy that knows
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: everything and that you know, or the leader or whatever.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And then I so so in the world of duality
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: when I started to discover, oh my god, I need
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to not be telling my not needs to be not
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: about my story, but you know, opening about who we
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: really are, or talking about life itself. And it's like
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I've gone from and the eye man to being a
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: sort of a religious figure or a spiritual figure or
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: something else. And it was like that was actually quite
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: a duality. It seemed like an advancement from the eye
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: man up to the spiritual guy, but actually it was
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: just a duality. You know, talking about winning from a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: place of winning, or talking about spirit from a place
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: of winning. But I was still in the place of winning.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So I started to realize that it's not one or
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the other. So I tell my story a lot, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I say to people, Look, don't believe anything I say.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: You have all your own answers. But I don't tell
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a story about me. But what I'm hoping is you'll
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: hear a story about you. The name states and places
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: are different, and the intensities of the different patterns are different.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to boil it down to the bottom line.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Where I felt insecure in myself as a kid. I
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: grew up with great values from a parents that actually
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: really sacrifice a lot to give me some great things.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I took that as a security and a certainty that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I would always have that. Then I felt a sat
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: from that and I had to break out from that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: But then it went out to the rest of the world.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a story that takes an hour
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and a half often, but I'll give it to you
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in two minutes. Minute and a half is that when out
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of the rest of the world, met all these other
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: people who also had the same insecurity. But now it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: seeing the person who had the strongest ego or persona
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: or I had the greatest attributes of a winner seemed
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to control all the insecure people. So he was the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: least insecure on the surface, and we were the most
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: insecure around him. So that's the dog eat dog alpha
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: world of growing up in a surf club or a
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: football club or could be a netball club or you
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: know whatever, it is a friend's circle. And so after
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a while, you know, I kind of got you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: bad rights of passage where I got sort of flushed
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and initiated and taken through the trials and tribulations of
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: being someone in that group you know of dog eat
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: dog males. And then I started to see women as
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: objects that if you can hook up with that woman,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that you are more popular or more secure the next day,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and you know, you've got some credit in the bank
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and that amongst the boys and all this sort of stuff.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So women with one something I feared, but then something
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I had to master so that I could actually get
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: a strength because I needed to be able to be
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: with a woman or whatever it was. So this is
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: some pretty messed up stuff that's starting to go through
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: a young man's mind. And then I look at oh,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the winner of the Australian title, and you know, he
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: gets the girl, He gets the last laughs, he even
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: got my girlfriend while I was had my back turned.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You know, he gets all the control he's big, I'm small.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: He gets the last day, he gets to decide when
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: we go in and out of the surf. He says
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the funniest things. I say the stupidest things. So after
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: a while I'm looking seems to be the winner gets
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: all the credit and all the respect and all the power.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And so I then look at another winner, Dwayne Tires
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: in my life, who id lives, used to write me
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: postcards from overseas and everything. Is five years older than me.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: He was the world iman champion. So there's a young
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: winner that was a year older than me, and I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: wanted to be like him or beat him, to destroy him.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I'll become like him so I can destroy him. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: because he's making me feel this way, this is all
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: obviously unconscious and starting to ruminate away in my mind.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But then Dwayne is my positive example of it over there,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: who I love and he seems to respect me and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: see some beauty him. At this stage, I'm fifteen or sixteen,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: never won a race in my life. And then the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: coach of the world champion comes in, Billie Haylock, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: gives us to set these goals. He does this incredible
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: motivational speech, so I feel like he's talking just to me,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and I put my hand on the pillow like he said,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and I dream up the goals that you know, I
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: would only dream with my head on the pillow, not
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the ones that I think I could achieve. So I
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: write this incredible goals out and they're one year, two year,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: five year, ten year, sporting goals, and they're sporting professional
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: personal goals. Make more friends, get a girlfriend, get married,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: to have a car, house, million dollars, have a house
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: on the water, sports car, win this title when that title,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: win more titles than anybody, you know, be a speaker,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you know, all this sort of stuff I write down
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: as a fifteen sixteen year old has never won anything.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Fifth out of sixth in my own surf club in
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a junior in the Junior Ironman, the kid had got
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: six As my best mate. I talked him into the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: club championships because he couldn't paddle a ski, so I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't finished last, you know. And so the cunning you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the cunningness, and I and then this thing trips in
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: me where I go, no, I want to be the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Australian Ironman Child Champion, because he'll get he doesn't. He
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: won't be treated like this. He won't have trouble getting
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the girl. He won't. He'll get to call the shots.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: And not only that, this this, these people I'm dealing
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: with are so mean and unreasonable. When I become the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Australian Champion, I will change all the rules and I
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: will make it fair for everybody, and I will be
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the guy that looks after everybody. Just just a quick
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you know, the morning I turned turned into the same.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: As you're like the Deli Lama of iron Man. I'm
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: just going to fuck it. I'm going to change the culture.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Jack, the surf club, the culture, all this stuff that's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: going on over there. I'm going to see it over there.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to see it inside of myself. I'm
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: not going to see my desire to win and defeat
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: everybody else, you know. And so I became the world
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: champion in a very short period of time, three years straight,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and I opened champion in two years, you know, amazing
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: experiences and everything else. And I would say that what
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: happened was the spirit of my father taking us around
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Australia for two years when I was three to five
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: years of age in a caravan and growing up playing
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: with indigenous kids, with our First Nations people, and you know,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: learning to swim in the daily river in the Northern
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Territory and finding my way back to the caravan after
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: a forty five minute walk in the bush, and you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: all of the great values that my mother and father
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and my sister die had instilled in me. I went
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: into the surf club under the dog a Dog Doggy
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Dog world, and then I went, I'm going to throw
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: all them away because none of them have made me
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: safe in this environment. In fact, they've probably set me up.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: You know, my gentleness has become the target on my forehead,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you know. And so when I walked into the club
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the first day and realized that they were talking about
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: me up in the bunk room to flush me and
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: initiate me like everybody else had been. But the only
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: words I heard is who does he think he is?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Riding his pink girl's bike around? And I had this
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: tough black Melbourne Star bike and I got in a
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: car crash with the car destrove my bike and I
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: had to ride my sister's bike around, my sister's pink
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: girl's bike. But I was so determined to keep training,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and to get myself to training, I rode the pink
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Girl's bick and then I find out that my friends
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: not so much my friends. I thought it was all
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: of them, but it's clearly one of them. And then
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: he had his own insecurities and own fears and everything else.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And I love and appreciate the role he played in
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: my life of making me go through these experiences. But
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: literally it was an experience of ah, the pink girl's bike.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: So I just thought, anything that looks like a sissy,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: a girl, gentle caring, I've got a tough enough ru this,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you know, pairing love inside of me. So all the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: beautiful values I have with my mum and dad became
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: my enemy, right, But then my connection to my mum
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and dad. So I've got this weird thing I've got
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to do where I've got to be a couple of
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: different people. So with mum and dad, I've got to
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: be the gentle guy and you know, just answered nicely
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and did it there and be the you know, the
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: son that they respected. That he's a nice, gentle guy
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and he doesn't drink or smoke or swear, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: and he's nice. He's nice to women and everything else.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And then when I was in this other world, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: was the player, I was the guy, I was swearing,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I was carrying on. Eventually I was drinking. I never
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: sm never smoked a cigarette in my life, never had
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a path, you know, just for some reason, I wasn't.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I've had half a cup of coffee in my life.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Is just the way life worked out for me. Never
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: a drug person. And but my goodness, when I started
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to go out with these insecurities that I'm not enough,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: even though I'm winning, I've still got the insecurity that
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not enough. And then but now I'm walking in
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: as the champ and I'm getting the drink cards. And
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it's not like somebody who's dealing dealing drugs, maybe they're
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the coke dealer or whatever, and they're surrounded by the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: bevy of beauties, you know, because they're handing out the candy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And I was like that I'd get the free drink
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: card because like Tray, while you're back, you know, the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast boy and growing up in Sevice prols, you
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: just won the world told of the Australian Total. The
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: uncle Toby's Ray said come on, and then we'd be
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: surrounded by people, so, you know, the world of temptation
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and the world if you don't have to feel alone anymore,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you don't have to feel small anymore, you don't have
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to feel like a no one. You're someone now you
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: can actually take all the things that you deserve from
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: all the hard work you've done. And it's just this
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: convincing thing in your mind. So in the end, I
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: became the guy or the guys that I wanted to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: be like to beat them so I didn't have to
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: be like them. But it sounds insane, but I was
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: trying to be like somebody else so I could eventually
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: be myself, And of course that didn't work, so I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: ended up with broken relationships and marriages and a body
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that was reflecting that shoulders tender. Notice the way I
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: carried myself in races was through aggression and defensiveness, and
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I'd look smiling on the surface but scratch below it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, in a win it all cost mentality racing,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I'd only breathe on one side, so I ended up
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: imbalanced and all this of stuff because I'd be like
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I'm going to you know, and I'd default to the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: mail side that has to smash and destroy everybody and
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: put them back in their place. And so you know
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: what's crazy about all that, Craig, is that I basically
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: just described building a house, you know, putting all the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: foundations in place and the structures and the walls and everything.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: And in the end, I've got this room right in
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the middle where no one can get to me. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: then I got to build a big yard around maybe
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a motor a pick at fence, and put some security
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: cameras up. And then I'm going to maybe build some
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: land around a long driveway and you know, slightly but
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: surely to keep for people further and further away from
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: this original little kid that was on the inside. So
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: when I I tend to tell that story in a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: minute half but it went into the longer version.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But when I tell you there's no hurry, mate, no hurry.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Well good, Where did I tell that story to people?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And then I talk about, you know, the infidelities and
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the way I lost myself and the way I was
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: ended up being two different people that who I am
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: wouldn't do that, but what I'd become, no problems, wouldn't
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: think twice. In fact, that was what winning was all
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: about you know, So in that success and failure thing,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the little Gentleman was the failure and the dominance covering
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: over myself. You know, in a lot of work that
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I do, and this is work is borrowed from someone else,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it's the front cover. The front cover is the winner,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the projection to people that I've got it all together.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: The back cover is the insecurity, that the deepest fear
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that people might see that I don't feel worthy, I
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: don't feel enough. So you can build a pretty big,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: strong front cover that in some ways it really pushes
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: further out from you to push people further away. But
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: as it's pushing further out, it pushes closer up against you,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: so there's no room for the real you. In the end,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the bigger it gets, there's less room for the real
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: me to show through. So I wasn't showing through a
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: relationship and family and friendships. Even in my relationship with myself,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: like what I would do to care for myself became
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: completely misgisdrued. Oh that's caring, having a night out, that's caring,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: giving yourself some time off. You know. So the bigger
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the front cover got, the bigger the back cover was
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: as well, because now I had more things to worry
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: about that people might see, Oh you did that, no
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: one knows, and oh look at you. It's like it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: almost like the Devil's going, ah, now I've got you
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: in the track. You can't ever show anybody, but you
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: can still feel good if you went and did it again.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And it's so it's like this fascinating thing where the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: self became bigger and bigger and bigger until something had
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: to give. At first gave in my body, but it
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: gave in before that. It gave him my relationships. But
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: you can actually just say, oh, that person's not the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: right person, or that person, that's not what they're talking about.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: It's not to let a tax in on your own body,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: your own maybe, your own mind, your own mental health.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: You know, because I was in the ocean all the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: time and I was a positive guy. I wasn't attacking
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: my mental health as such to operate day to day,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: but certainly emotionally, I was stuck in this place. But
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it was the body that collapsed first. And I went
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to a chiropractic, amazing man, Keith Maitland, and he said
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to me two things. One is that you appear to
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: be dairy and tolerant, you know. And I'm thinking, don't
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: take chocolate and ice cream often. It's the only thing
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: people alive, you know. And then he said, you also
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: appear to be angry. You know, you've got some anger
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: issues that you suppressed anger. And I'm standing there smiling
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: at him, ver seeing him for the first time, this
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: guy that I've been recommended to go see. My body's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: all in a collapse mode. He told me you won't
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: win another world Your body's telling me you won't win
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: another world title unless you resolve a few things. Looks
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: like some intolerance is perhaps dairy, and looks that you
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: might have some suppressed anger. And I'm standing there smiling
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: looking at him, Craig, and I'm at the same time,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I'm smiling, aren't you. Oh yeah. There's a part of
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: me going in the background, like hacting behind me, going
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy thinking? Is well suppressed anger?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: What I still couldn't get past the fact that he said,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you won't win another world titler. I'm three times world champion.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Like it was the first time I became aware that
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I had an ego, because before that, the ego was
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: in my face, you know. And this saying came up earlier.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It was another I think it's another one from the Bible,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: right is I can see the splinter in your eye,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: but I can't see the log in my own, or
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: something like that. There's something about yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Also in the Gospels it says, don't point out the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: splinter in your brother's eye, you know, basically when you've
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: got a beam in your own yeah. Another words, yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: you've got enough of your own bullshit with us, you know.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yep, And so I had I had the you know.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: The other analogy is the star face. And for those starfish,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: for those that are listening or watching, I've got my
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: hand up against my face in the shape of a starfish.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: It's so pressed against that you can't see it. So
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I couldn't see that. I'd become I'd believe my own press.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I'd become the front cover and the back cover taken over.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: The beingess in me was this tiny little circle that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I related to earlier. And the ego or who I
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: thought I was was this massive big bit. Now was
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the thing. It was the show. I was the show.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I was the guy, you know, brought ratings, brings, sponsors, oh,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: he walks in and he's got an aura. Well, the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: aura was my beingness being utilized by my ego. You know,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: because in my in my binness, I have a gentleness
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and a presence when I'm in it. That I do
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: know that people go, oh my god, I feel so
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: loved by you, are supported by you. But the aura
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: was being utilized by the ego to go look at
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: this being the show. You know. Anyway, I was so
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: angry at old Keaty and I couldn't believe it, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: then I just went I had this moment where I meant,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: mental note to self, too, I do appear to be
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: angry about what he said, you.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Know, no anger issues. I am very fucking angry right now.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: The man with no anger is feeling very violent, like
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I want to puck this guy out.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: You know, the iron Man kills chiropractice kills chiropractice.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So he later told me, he said, you know those pictures,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you know where someone's in a hurricane in Florida or
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: something and they're holding onto a lamppost and their feet
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: are coming off the ground. He said, when I told
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you you had anger issues, he said, it was like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I held onto the pole, and the energy coming out
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of you made my feet come off the ground, he said.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: He looked at me like I think you are. But
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: because that's not functional or social, and I use my
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: intelligence to fool myself. I just smiled and nodded, because
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: what I thought was what I'd do with everybody at
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: that stage, was I'll just get you back later. In fact,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: what I thought was this, how ridiculously stupid the ego is.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: In my own ego, I thought, he said, so if
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: you come back tomorrow, I can do some work with you.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Didn't touch me. I'll just do some work with you,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and we can begin the journey of rectifying this. And
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: my ego said, I'll come back tomorrow, all right, I'll
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: come back tomorrow to prove you wrong. So I was
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: going to go back and see him, to get fixed
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: by him, to prove that I didn't need to be
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: fixed by him, and to go win the world title
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: with his help, to prove that I wouldn't win the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: world title without his help. And so that's how insane
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that is, right, And I looked fine to the story
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: as I drove off down the road and I went
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: up over Burley Hill. He was at Palmi and I
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: went up over Burle Hill and I'm shaking my shoulder
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: and my body. I'm driving the car. I'm thinking, here's
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: this guy I think he is. I'm thinking of my manager,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: trying to work out what my managers it's because my
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: manager is this and he sent me to him. You know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just hating on everybody right and I'm I'm grabbing
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: everything I can. Ego is just trying to put me
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: back in the hole that I was in because Keith
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: had pulled the lid off somehow. I didn't know it yet,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: but I drive over Burlie Hill and I'm like, and
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: he didn't it? And I go and I'm moving my
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: shoulder around like I'm angry. And then I realized I've
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: got no pain in either of my shoulders. I've got
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: no pain in my hip and no pain in my
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: arch because my whole right hand side of my body
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: was out of whack, which I'd later understood that's the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: male side of the body, that's the doing side. It
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: was all out of whack. It was the yang side,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and it was not being nurtured for a long long
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: time because it was in there just smashing, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: smashing everybody to win. So I I went wow, and
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: I'm moving around. I'm like, there was no pain, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no pain. Then I I said to myself,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: but he didn't touch me. But he didn't touch me.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And this voice that used to come in when I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: raced often as like an intuition. It would say, you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: got to go your own way in the singing voice,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: go your own way, that be in my head. You
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: got to go your own way and go out through
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the ocean a different way to everybody else. And that's
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: quite symbolic, isn't it. And he said, and this voice goes,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: he told you the truth, clear as day, told you
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: the truth. I'm like, and I didn't stop and go
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: where's that voice coming from. I just was like, told
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: you the truth? And I went what. And then all
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, the whole coming down Burly Hill under
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the northern side, all the green trees went bright green.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Everything went from a two D flat image to a
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: three D. There was depth and everything. I went from
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: vibration inside of myself to stillness. And I'm driving down
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the hill and I'm observing myself driving, my hands on
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the wheel, and I'm like, what is going on, and
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I felt this beauty and this love and this peace,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm circulem going along driving going what did he
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: do to me? You know, like what happened? I'm like,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: oh my god, I have to go back tomorrow, you know.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I went back from both. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: went back from the Benis from the spirit that was fascinated,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and the ego still went back in the background going.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: At some point in time, I still hope to prove
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: him wrong, you know, I still have to get one
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: back up on him, because it seems like he's won
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the competition. But so I tell parts of that story
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: and whatever part relates, and eventually I tell the story
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: how it led me to the realization that I was
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: so off track that when my son TJ was born,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I wasn't the man that I really wanted to be.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And I won't go into that story today, but it
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: was the wake up call I needed to see his
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: big brown eyes staring back at me. And I just
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: won my fourth World iron Man title, and after Keith
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: had said, you know you are in another I worked
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: with him won the fourth. I won eight out of
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: ten races international races that year, international level races got
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: two seconds and I won that title. And I crossed
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: the line and my goal for my whole Iman career
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: is to perfect the iron Man race. And I crossed
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the line and I went, oh, my god, I just
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: perfected the race. It was the only time I ever
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: felt like I perfected the race. And as I went
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: past the cameras and the people because they'd moved us
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to another beach from Big Surf and we're in like
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a harbor and I run, beach is pretty short and
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I go through the line and there's nothing. It's right
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: on dark because we've been moved, and there's a sheer
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: rock wall in front of me. And I was like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: you've just perfected the race. And then I went, oh, crap,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: what do I do next? And the very next image
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: was a sheer rock face and that sheer rock face
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: was so symby Craig. I cannot explain to you my
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: pregnant wife that I wasn't truthful with and I, you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I was trying to leave and we'd already broken up, basically,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I with our second child, you know, with that's Jackie,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: my first wife, and and were married at nineteen. Because
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you know, I was so insecure, were married, you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. So I was like two
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: people through that relationship. But so I'm not being true
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to her, not being true to myself. The rock war
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: was like all the lies and the deception. It was
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the slippery rock face that I had to confront and
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: deal with. And I'd always had this saying about the
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: conditions are always perfect, you know, it's what are they
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: perfect for? That perfect for me to do my skills
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: today or my heart rate or my fitness or my
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: trust or whatever it is, you know, And it occurred
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to me ultimately the conditions were perfect if I wanted
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: to become the man I needed to be for my
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: son to be born and have a father that could
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: really be like my father, that held values that were strong,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you know. So it took me down a path of
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: four or five years of personal development and looking at
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: the shadow and digging all this stuff out, and I
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: finally had the impetus. It was like it was like
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: no relationship or no no one for whatever reason could
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: get me to change this. And then somehow TJ had
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: this thing that his big brown eyes made me go,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: enough is enough, And I should have been able to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: do that for Christelle, my first daughter, for anybody else.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, I needed just one more piece
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: of information and one more piece of spirit to said, listen, Asho,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: you have lost your way. You've got to find your
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: way home. Like your father taught you, to get back
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to the caravan. You've got to get back to where
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the heart is. And I was presented with opportunities, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: one of which was my son having this amazing day
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: at KINDI that it was Piatet's dat kindy, and I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: tell the story which I won't go into today, but
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I had to go speak to all these men, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: farmers and sons, and ultimately I realized I had to
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: go to Piet's day at Kindy, and I went to
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: that pirate's day. And as I sat there, it was
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: like my son looking at me, TJ going, Dad, you
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: finally chose purpose. You finally chose at the moment you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: find you stopped training. You're not being the guy. You
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: finally chose by choosing me, chose your heart, you know.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And this whole change occurred. And then he told me, Dad,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you've got to go. You've got to get your plane.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, mate, the plane's going to go. Another plane's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: waiting for you, and this whole story about it's this
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: incredible serendipity, this incredible silver lining. It dropped in and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I braced off to the airport after being with him
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: and filling his cup and him filling my cup. Got
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: to the airport and the plane was waiting because it
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: suffered happened, and I got as soon as I got
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: on the plane that were we're ready to go, and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I flew off and I got to do all of
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it and have all of it, which goes back to
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: what we talked about earlier about being able to have
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: it all that the universe is a friendly universe when
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you put the heart first, when you let the heart
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: lead you. The heart has the mat to make all
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the sums add up. The brain doesn't have the math
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: does make all the sums had out that the heart
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: has a circular math. The brain has a linear math
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that straight line maps, and the heart has the feminine
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: mass the circular We're all in this together. And so
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: when I tell that story, Craig, you know, in its entirety,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: which is an hour and a half and all the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: bits and pieces, it's more often than not that everybody's
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: crying in it because they realize that I'm not talking
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: about me. I'm talking about them, talking about how hard
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: we've tried to be the thing we've needed to be,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: but how much we've traded off who we really are,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: who we think we need to be, to get what
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: we think we need to get so we can be ourselves.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: But we never quite get ourselves. We never hear in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the moment where we're ourselves, and how the people to
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: get swept up in and caught up in at most
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: are our children and our loved ones, our partner, the
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: people around us, even our workmates and everything else. And
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: so the stories actually goes from it's a story about
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: me to a story about all of us, which means
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: it's a story about great values leading to exchanging values
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: for crooked values, to lost and failure into winning, into
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: more lost and failure. Because I won from something that
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: wasn't from my higher self through to a resurrection and
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: a phoenix out of the ashes and through to it
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: was always there the whole time. I was just listening
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to the wrong voice, you know. And so I find
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: that now I'm not telling a story about myself and
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: losing everybody, or telling everybody about the spiritual path and
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: losing everybody. I'm telling a story about myself finding that,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: and I end up meeting everybody in that place where
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: we can all relate, you know. And there's a saying
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: that came to me one time. I've utilized a lot
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: in teamwork and everything. I just popped into my head.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it came from, but it is,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: we can travel a lot further over common ground, you know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: and when we realize we've all got the same stuff,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the telling of my story can actually release someone else
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: from theirs, you know, and then they then they're then
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: they feel comfortable to enter into their own story and
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: look at it and perceive it because they go what
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you supposedly the winner. You've got all these titles through
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, blah blah blah. You got
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: is after your name. You know, you're on Baywatch, you
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: hung out with MADONNAE, you met Michael Jackson. You know
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: you did it da Dad? You know you you you
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: were one of those people you and like, hang on, no,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: you're not, You're me, And it just takes the whole
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: thing away. And not only that, by the way that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I'm a man talking about love and talking about forgiveness
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and talking about resurrection and unconditional love, and that there's
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: a gentleness that comes out of me that was there
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: in the start. You know that I just had hidden
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: between the front cover and the back cover. So I'm
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: not even sure if I answered the original question, but
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I certainly I loved it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I mean what it like so many things out of
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: that for me, like a hundred questions and a hundred thoughts,
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: But like the idea that you know, this young, beautiful, loving,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: compassionate where a kid felt the need that he needed
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: to create a persona to be this like personal. Yeah,
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: you were the person and then you had to be
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: come this persona of aggression and high performance and with
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: the doe and the girls and the what you know,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: the power and the coolness and the but that's you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I think that's almost not not that story, of course,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think everyone has to find, you know,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: that space between the person that they are and the
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: persona that they present to the world. And and you
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: know that could be that can be terrifying, and that's
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: a very acute exercise in you know self amnness.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: And you can I add something to that, craigy for
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: sac when I cut down into it, you know, I
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to be like my dad. I get emotional when
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I say this, you know. I wanted to be like
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: my dad. My dad was my god, my hero. My
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: dad's now ninety with dementia in a home, you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: ten years through dementia, and it's into my eyes and
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: he's still communicating through his eyes. You can't speak, you know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And what did I love about what my dad had?
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: He seemed to have respect, He had the love of
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: an amazing woman, my mother. They traveled everywhere together, they
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: made decisions together. They were a team, they were a unit,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you know. And I wanted to be like my dad.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: But the thought inside of me, Craig, was I'm not enough.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not my dad. I can't be I can't be
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: like my dad. A most freakly skinny little kid, freckly
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: you know, like getting right down to the raw. Honestly,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I'm a freakly small dick, skinny little kid, runt of
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a kid that's got nothing going for it, you know
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: like that? You know how mean the voice in your
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: head is, it just picks whatever it can to make
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you into not enough? Not even a man physically, you know, like.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Other than other than that a complete winner.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, other than that, other than being a complete, disastrous
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: loser and really a waste of breath. Yeah, other than that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I suppose I'm okay every now and then,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: you know, so when I'm really honest about it, it's like,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: why did that dysfunction come out? Because it's like that
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: whole attempt was to be loved. I desperately wanted to
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: be something that would be worthy of love, to be loved,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to be enough, to be enough to be loved. So
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the bottom line of the illusion, the distortion and the
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: shadow was it's like a voice in your head going,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: you're a fucking nothing. You're a fucking nobody. You'll never
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: be like your father, You'll never be like these great people.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Who do you think you are? It's like a really
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: quite violence, you know, self talk back there somewhere, and
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that it's self talk. I almost
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: think that it's like it's a thing that comes into
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of young boys and a lot of young men,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: and a lot of young girls and a lot of
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: young women people all around the world says who do
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: you think you are? You're a nothing, you got and
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: it almost goads us into giving up on our intrinsic
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: values and trading them off for something that will make
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that pain go away and you know, make me feel lovable.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So at a deep, vulnerable level, it's about love, but
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: at a psychology level, it's like I'm channeling some other
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: dark force that goes, don't let this guy see that
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: he's lovable the way he is. Don't let this guy
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: see that he's actually been you know, he's inherited some
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: wonderful values and everything else. Don't let From one level,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: there's other energies like do not let him see that
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: his gentleness is the only thing he ever needs that
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: will save the day many many times.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: So there's something about the violence of the self talk
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: that says we are not enough the way we are,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and that I think we've very rarely acknowledged the degree
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: to which it's. Why can we not shake it? Because
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the things just demanding to be to be listened to
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: and obeyed, You are nothing. You need to use me
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: to become something. It's almost like you're trade off with
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: the devil. With it said, i'll give you power, you'll
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: be lovable. You'll be so loved, You'll be loved by everybody.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: It's like it's very much like a seduction, you know,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: because I realized I'm still shaking it off myself. But
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: when I'm not in it, I feel just so loving
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: and connected to everybody and just shut up and I
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: just listen. You know. It's it's just a beautiful place
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: to live. And when I'm when I'm not feeling that gentleness,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: that stillness inside of myself, I go into needing to
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: prove and win and everything we said back at the start.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: So but when I boil it down to it at
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a heart level, I just realized that it was actually
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: about being like my dad. That was where I first
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: felt not good enough, and the illusion that I had
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: to be exactly like him, rather than seeing, you know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: receive his love and allow that to give me strength,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: rather than be like him, receive his unconditional love and
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: allow that strength to stay with me while I went
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: through the journey. I needed to to be my own
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: version of that, and probably ultimately, at some level that's
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: what happened, because he loved me unconditionally right through all
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the obscurity he handled for me and all those races,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: all those years, you know, and when I was hiding
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: things and not being true to myself and a part
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: of a bit of a posse of men having a
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: great time in life, you know, being superstars. He still
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: just backed me and loved me. He didn't encourage me
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to keep doing that. He didn't stop me from doing anything.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: He just quietly went, don't need to know what you're doing.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to love you. And it's like he
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: demonstrated what I ultimately needed was just to stay present
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: until I could go all the way through this journey
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: and come out. And I find that perhaps gentleness is
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: more wise now. You know, if I hadn't kept it
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: from the start, I wouldn't have this experience. If I
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: hadn't trade it away for some temper glory, you know,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have the certainty around who I really am
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: and who we really all are, and how wonderful the
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: journey of losing yourself in the darkness actually is when
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: it helps you find your light and really trust it.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I'm writing that down, losing yourself to the darkness.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like I feel like for you and
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: maybe for a lot of people, Trev we need to,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know, go on a journey that ultimately might
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: be somewhat self destructive to do the full circle like mine.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I told you the other day when we were talking
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: on your show. My part of my story was taken
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: steroids when I was young. I was in my twenties
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: building businesses, building brands, lots of dough. I had five
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: businesses at one stage, bricks and mortar businesses. I had
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: one hundred staff, blah blah blah, all that shit, right,
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: and not that any of that was bad, but none
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: of it was who I was. And one of the
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: you know, there's this there's this divergence or there's this
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: space between the appearance of success, like you appeared really successful,
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: so did I, but the experience, like I had all
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: these people telling me how great I was doing and
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: had you had that times a million, because I'm just
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: fucking shitkicker, but you had that times a million. But
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: in the middle of all of that, look, you're a
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: fucking superstar. You're crushing, killing, hustling, winning. In the middle
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: of all of that, what appears to be the high
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: watermark for success, That isn't your experience like experience for
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: like success for me is an internal state. Am I calm,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: am I joyful? Am I living with purpose?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Am I serving others? And I know people will roll
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: their eyes, but fucking try it.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: It's just it's it's again, nothing wrong with winning races
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: or making lots of dough of themselves.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: They are not They're not bad things, but it's the
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: relationship that you have with that. It's like money is
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: not the root of all evil. The love of money
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: is the root of all evil. Like these things are
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: just tools and resources and they don't mean anything until
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: we put a human in the picture. Yeah, And so
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: it's like in the middle of the chaos and the
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: mayhem and the fucking success and the money and the
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: whatever it is, and the brand and the you know,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: the Hall of Australia, sorry, Hall of Fame, this and that,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: all the shit that you did, which was fucking amazing.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: But if in the.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Middle of that you're a prick, or you're miserable, or
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: you're disconnected, or you're you're fucking emotionally spiritually bankrupt, what's
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: the point.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Or you're hiding something from your wife or your family
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: or yourself. Yes, you know, you start hiding from other
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: people in the end, you hide it from yourself. Yes,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: you know you forget that. Oh shit, actually I forgot that.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not really about that. You know, you said something earlier,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: said you know, you said, I'm just a shit kicker,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: And I know you're partly joking as well, but also
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I know that there's a humility in that. Right. What
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I what I've discovered is that the story is the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: same for all of us. It's just we're learning it
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: in different ways for different reasons, because potentially we have
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: a slightly different purpose. You know, you came through your
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: channel and what you've learned makes you an incredibly stable,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: beautiful man to be around. I said this to you
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: on the podcast last week. I sat there in love
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: with you. I was in love with you, you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I was sitting there in the love going, oh my god,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I can feel this space around you. Man, You've made
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: it so safe for people to walk their journey because
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: of how precarious your own journey's been. So the compassion
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: understanding you've had to have for yourself has created a
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: safety for others. You know, and set you're free. So
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I just think what a gift has come out of
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: the dark. You know that creates more lights, so you know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: is there dark and light well a level, but ultimately
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: it's all serving us to hop into this vortex, to
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: this funnel and actually find our way out of this
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: bullshit where we compete with each other. But I feel,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: you know, often relate to people. I say, my realization
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: was it was switching from win it all costs to
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: win on all levels, you know, And I say, it's
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: a win on all costs mentality to a win on
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: all levels understanding. Yeah, And I can tell when people
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: have got it because they noticed the difference between mentality
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: and understanding, you know, because when they say, ah, I
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: went on all cost mentality to a win on all
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: levels mentality, It's like, no, it's not a mentality, it's
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: an understanding that, oh my god, I am you, you
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: are me. We all got the same shit going on.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Even if you can't see this big amazing thing that
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: the Jogis and Christ and everyone else has spoken about.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: We are all one, you know, the Christ conscious of
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the unity conscious. This is amazing thing that can be
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: tapped into without sitting six months in a ca It's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: actually inside of everybody. But with it, just leave that alone.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: It's like oh, maybe it's the top rung on the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: ladder we need to be climbing. Is the recognition of oneness,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: But don't worry about that. As long as you're on
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: the right ladder. The RUMs work their way down, and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: you know, you work your way and just take care
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: of the rung that you're on. But ultimately, the simplest
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: way of saying it is, if you really stop and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: scratch below the surface, the person walking past you in
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: the street will have a story that will fascinate you,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: and you'll have a story that will fascinate then, and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: they'll have a depth and a root in the story
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: that you'll understand and you'll appreciate because you can relate
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to and so will you for them. So it's not actually,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: the oneness is not the problem. It's the perception of otherness.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: It's the perception that you're a different skin color, a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: different financial status, a different gender, a different you know, religious,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: you know, bent, you've got a different emotion running through
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you at the moment, you look angry and I'm a
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: peaceful person. Bot you we've all got the capability of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: being angry, you know. So the appearance is out on
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: the surface. That's the way that all expresses itself. I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: can't often say. It's like saying that you saw a
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: wave break and you said, I understand the ocean. Now
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you know? You know, No, you saw the wave break,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and you saw the wave break behind the wave break behind.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: You look left and there's more breaking down. Then you
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: look more right and there's more breaking down. Then you
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: look at the point and they're wrapping around the point.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: You look at the reef break and they're surging over.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: You look at the gutter and they're coming through and
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: surging on the shore. You look at the sandbank and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: they're spilling on the back. The waves are breaking many
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: different ways based on the dynamic that they're meeting. You know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: they circumstances of their life. But where has every single
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: one of those waves come from? While it's an energy
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: force that's come from an energy force pressed onto the ocean,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: so oneness is going through an experience. The ocean would
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: be the oneness, and it's going through an experience of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: local conditions and local weather, and it expresses itself in waves.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: It's very much how an individual is. And when the
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: wave breaks, what does the wave do? It doesn't go
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: up the beach, into the car park, wash the shopping center, away,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: keep going up to the mountains. When the wave breaks,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: it expels its force to whatever was given in the
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: first place, and it releases its force up the shore,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: and then it runs back down. It goes under the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: next wave breaking and joins the water that's going back
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: out to sea. And where does that wave? Where does
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: that water go to? It joins the ocean again. It
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: temporarily expresses itself. So to say I saw a wave
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: and I understood the ocean, only if you saw its
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: relationship with the whole ocean. It'd be like saying I've
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: seen that person and I understood if you can see
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: the way that person relates to all of us and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: the ocean they come out of. So ultimately, there's this
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: beauty in seeing who we are. And I recognize that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I'd been on a ladder in my life, and at
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: the top of the ladder was clouds, and I just
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: wanted to get my head above those clouds. I climb
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that ladder like a determined mofo. I used some great
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: characteristic traits and great spiritual determination and great things that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I could later use for other things. No one get
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: in my way pushed people off the ladder. I'm getting
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: to the top because I've got to get my head
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: above those damn clouds, because I'm not going to stay
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: under these clouds one more day. I eventually overtook everybody
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: on the ladder, pass broke all the records, got up
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the top, and then young people started following me up,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: you know, people I was coaching and training with me.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: And I get to the top of the ladder, and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: in the symbolism, it's actually how it appeared to me
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: as as I stuck my head through the clouds and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: grabbed onto the top rung of the ladder. I pulled
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: my head through the clouds, and I could see the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: blue sky above the clouds, the one that's the beauty.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: And I looked up. The first thing I noticed was
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the ladder I was on didn't go any further. It
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: only allowed me to stick my head above the clouds,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: you know. And I actually looked over across the beautiful
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: top of the clouds, rather than violent underneath them. I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: looked across the top and I saw this other ladder
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: that came up through the clouds and kept going all
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: the way. And on that other ladder was all these humble, simple,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: beautiful people climbing up mining their own business, not looking good,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: not looking great, you know, not looking like winners, not
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: in the hall of not cleans honors around there. You know,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: they could have all those things, but the ones on
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: that ladder were the ones that were actually just attending
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: to the the desires of the heart. And I looked
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: over and went, oh fuck, I'm on the wrong ladder,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: you know. And I started trying to climb down the ladder.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: And as I was climbing down, I'm stepping on the
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: heads and the fingers and the shoulders of all the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: people that I said, come with me, We're going to freedom.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Come on, kids, like I was the leader of the pack,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: like the pied piper on the wrong ladder. And then
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: I'm climbing back down and they go, what'd you see
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: what's up there? And I'm going, We're on the wrong ladder,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: and they're going, bollshit, this is the right ladder. And
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: now I'm climbing over them and I'm around them going
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, we're on the wrong ladder, and they're
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: going I've got to see for myself, and I'm like,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: fair enough, I'm just getting off this ladder, and I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: climbed back down over everybody, and one by one all
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: those friends and people around me stuck the head up
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: through the clouds. Well, I well, I proceeded to eat
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: humble Pie to get off the ladder. I was on
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: humble Pie to crawl my way across to the base
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: of the other ladder. Humble Pie did begin to be
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: invited to even climb that ladder, and started working all out,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: just looking at the self, looking at my own bullshit,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: looking at Oh my god, what an illusion like having
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: to be a laugh at myself. And the further I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: got up that other ladder, I started, you know, getting
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: a tap on the feet or like here hey, and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like looking and they're running from the other ladder
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: over to this and going I'm following you, you know.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: And that's the easiest way I relate to win. It
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: all costs to win on all levels. I literally got
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  Speaker 2: that vision in my mind. I went, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the wrong ladder, you know, And no one
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  Speaker 2: would believe me, because you have to see it for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: So what I'd say to people when people told me that,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but but I'm on a
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  Speaker 2: good thing, I'll do it differently. And I had to
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  Speaker 2: see it for myself, and so I think I've learned,
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  Speaker 2: don't interfere with other people's journeys. Tell them that you're
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: changing ladders if you want, or a different ladder, and
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  Speaker 2: if they ask for your help, reflect back what they want.
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  Speaker 2: But otherwise, mind your own bloody business. You know, people
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  Speaker 2: are actually the failure they have today might be the
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  Speaker 2: impetus they have, you know, the egos desire they have
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  Speaker 2: today will be the failure they have to demirow, which
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: is the impetus they have to change the day after,
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  Speaker 2: which is the awakening they have the day after that.
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  Speaker 2: So who am I to tell them they're on the
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  Speaker 2: wrong ladder or the wrong place. It's like, go for
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: a man, have the experience. It's pretty amazing, And I'm
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: with you. Whatever you do is what I've learned, you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: because you know, I think I've had to apply that
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  Speaker 2: to myself and go. Even when I discover that I'm
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: still full of shit, and I'm still at this moment,
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  Speaker 2: i still want to punch someone in the face, and
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  Speaker 2: I still want to fight to defend my my viewpoint.
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  Speaker 2: I have to go back to the base of the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: ladder again. Go are you're still holding on to being
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  Speaker 2: right or winning? You know, you have to crumble it again.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: You have to start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: You're always going to be acutely human, mate, that's the
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  Speaker 1: that's the that's the skinny.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you're always.
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  Speaker 2: That's the gift, isn't it. It's the ground You're.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Always You're always a work in progress.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I always say, if I wait, if I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: wait until I've got all my shit together before I
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: coach or teach or support or encomage your podcast, I'm going.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: To live in a cave till I drop dead.
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  Speaker 3: So so with all of my bullshit strengths, weaknesses, gifts,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: and flaws, I'm going to show up and whatever that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: looks like, try to help people.
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  Speaker 2: Mate.
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  Speaker 1: We need to wind up, but I don't want to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: wind up. I want to do like twenty more podcasts
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: with you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's come back for part two mates soon.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I would love to. I would love to, and I'm sure,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: like I'm going to tell you now, I never say
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  Speaker 3: this like this is probably I don't know what this is.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: One thousand and five hundred and thirty or forty. It's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: maybe my favorite podcast, definitely in my top view ever
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: and I've done six years.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Of them, so oh, thank you Mane.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is, you know, here's the thing that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: you as you were talking then kind of dawned on me. Sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I might open the door and I go,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: let's talk about, you know, the concept of success, Trevor.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about you know, what is personal growth?
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So we talk about these things objectively with our brain
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: and then we analyze it without, you know, and we
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: deconstructed scientific and that's not bad. But sometimes, you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: it's like, even with myself, sometimes I need to get
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: out of the way to get whatever it is that
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: needs to come through me out, you know, I need
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: to get the craigness, you know. And sometimes even on
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: even on my own podcast, Less from Me is More,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: and you talked a lot, but I loved every word,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: and I you know that sometimes I'm probably over talking now.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: But sometimes I finish a podcast and it's like, not often,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: but every now and then I'm like, yeah, I'm not
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: sure that person says all the things and they're super articulate,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know that I don't know
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: that away from the microphone, that's what's really going on.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: But with you, with you, you are just you're fully present,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: you know what's and all good stuff, bad stuff, you know,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: and it's truly a gift. It's truly a gift to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: chat with you, to connect with you, and to bring
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: you to my audience.
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  Speaker 2: So thanks, mate, thank you, and my perspective. Mate. I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: said this on our podcast last week. I love and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: appreciate you. I love being with you. I sat with
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: you last week and I was like, oh, man, I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: love being with you. You know, like I it's such
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. It's like, oh, We've got so much
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: more to explore together. And you know, just even just
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: like as you said, like a brother, like a twin.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: You know, in some ways it's like, my god, our
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: journey is so similar. You know, it's just so obviously
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: so different. But the obvious is out on the external
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: it's like judging it by the waves that are breaking.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: But when you go back to the ocean, it's like,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: my god, we've actually walked the same journey around fears
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: and insecurities and you know, and back on the podcast
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: we spoke about you had some challenges around your weight.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: You were too you, you felt you were too fat.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I felt I was too skinny. Yeah, you know, we've
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: ended up in the middle somewhere with strong male bobbies,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: just to make sure nobody ever criticizes the game, you know.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: So we're coming from different angles. But I love the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: fact that life's made as collide again, mate, and I'm
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I would love to do part two whenever.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Whenever it is if people want to hear that, we
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: can talk about other stuff. And that's about my story
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: and more about has some fun with some other concepts.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: You know, your story is brilliant.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: I'd like tim all right, well for the we'll say
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: goodbye affair, but for the moment before we go, do
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: you want to put do you want to steer anyone
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: towards anything?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: So that what's the show?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: The new show, what's it called. It's called Future Lab.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: It's actually we're exploring human potential through science and soul,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's really fascinating. Daddy, Danny Irbinder, doctor
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Denise Vaness and myself and we get guests them as well,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: like yourself and other incredible people. And doctor Denise is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: she's an epigenesis and she's an incredible, amazing lady, great
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: friend of yours, and she just blows my mind all
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: the time. But yeah, Handy trev on Instagram. I throw
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: things on every now and then. Got a little YouTube
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: channel of my travels, you know, for driving and reflecting
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: in nature. It's which just Travor Handy YouTube. There's a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: website Trevor Handy dot com. I do talk to do
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: one on one sessions with people, you know, all that
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And that's probably enough, mate. It's just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: a great journey. I'm pretty humbled too, I don't know
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: to be able to learn and share on this journey.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: So all right mate, until next time, Thanks buddy, Yeah brother,