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Pere Cheney: NEW documentary reveals the truth behind Michigan’s most famous haunting · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Hidden in North Michigan is a clearing in the
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woods. This field I'm walking through, you wouldn't
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know, used to be a thriving, bustling village.
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There are 22 ghost towns. Pere Cheney is one of
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them. If you're thinking of a haunted cemetery
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in Michigan, this is exactly what you would picture.
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It's dark, it's secluded. Did you just hear that?
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Once that sun goes down, it just becomes a different
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place. This is the story. of Pere Cheney. Oh my
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god! Plague in the Pines. I don't know what's
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happening right now. Okay, so we just finished
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watching a film called Pere Cheney, Plague in the
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Pines. Not a short film. This is a film film.
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Feature -length film. Feature -length film film.
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First ever feature -length film. Film, film.
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Film, film, film, film, film. And this is not
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a dream, dream, dream, dream, dream. This is
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real -life shit. We just finished putting together
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our first ever feature -length film in collaboration
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and association with Nunsaucequatch Production
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and What Goes Bumpin' Late Podcast, also working
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very closely with the Crawford County Historical
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Society. We are talking, of course... That's
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a name suggests about Pere Cheney, very well -known
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haunted Michigan. So I'd say actually Brie, it's
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the most famous like urban legend in Michigan.
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Would you agree? I mean, you're kind of biased
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because you live right by it. I'm biased because
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I've known about it my whole life, but I feel
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like most of like the rankings or things that
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you see online about most haunted places in Michigan,
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Pere Cheney is always on the list. And any paranormal
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investigator you know in Michigan knows about
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Pere Cheney, has been to Pere Cheney, or wants
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to go to Pere Cheney. Because that is, like, the
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ghost town of Michigan. It's so... Of northern
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lower Michigan. Yeah, yeah. I mean, even in,
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like, the UP, it's, like, so classic. ghost story
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like everything falls into place like just perfectly
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to create the perfect ghost story welcome to
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our podcast where we take deep dives looking
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at various topics through a paranormal lens Pere Cheney
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had 1500 people in it it was you know for the
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local county seat at one point bustling boomtown
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Yeah, because the railway came through. That's
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a significant part of the whole story. And they
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had hotels, restaurants. It was a thriving village
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until diphtheria came through. Twice. Twice.
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And wiped out much of the town. And back then,
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they didn't know really what to do. So they just
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stopped the trains from coming in. And everyone
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was just kind of, if you got diphtheria. Sucks
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to suck, man. No one's coming in to help you.
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You're not leaving. You're staying there. You're
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on your own. They were fully cut off from everywhere
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else. It was a death sentence. And unfortunately,
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that led to a decline in the town. I mean, there's
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all these rumors now about it, like a witch that
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cursed a town and caused diphtheria. So even
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in time, the fact that this tragedy, Tragedies
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dropped to such a scale twice, and the town that
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was set to be thriving and booming went from
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1 ,500 people to, I think it was, what, at the
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time when the town eventually got burned down.
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They say that, you know, some local people from
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a couple towns over came and burned the city
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down just because they thought it was cursed.
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At that time, there was only, like, 18 people
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living there. So it went from 1 ,500 to 18. And
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through that fire, everything got destroyed.
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All the buildings, all the records, all the documentations,
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all the photos, everything. Nothing exists. This
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is the most ghost town of ghost towns. Because
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usually with other ghost towns... There's at
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least historical records. You can actually look
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back at the history. Usually, it's not just fully
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burned down. There's still some records somewhere.
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And... For a while, I mean, even today, all that
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remains is the cemetery. So, like, there's this
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abandoned cemetery in the middle of the woods.
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I mean, if you go deep in the woods, there are
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still, like, foundations. Yeah, you can see,
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like, where buildings used to be if you know
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what you're looking for. And, of course, a railroad
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track, which played a big part in this town's
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history, is still there and is still active.
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But there's this cemetery. And that's all that
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remains of this ghost town, literally. For a
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while. Get this. They don't even know who's buried
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in that cemetery because for a while, after all
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the records burned down of, you know, people
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buried, people that live there, they're like,
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well, at least we have the headstones that tell
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us who's buried there. Well, not for long. Yeah.
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Because all those headstones eventually got vandalized,
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broke, stolen. Now there's only like five or
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six headstones you can actually fully make out.
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So there's only five or six actual names that
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remain of the entire town. Unfortunately, Pere Cheney
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was one of those spots that the local high school
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kids would go to party and drink and have bonfires.
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And they would vandalize the cemetery. They'd
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steal headstones. They'd break headstones. Like,
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who's out there to stop them? It's literally...
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In the middle of nowhere. Do you think there's
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someone out there who just has a random headstone
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in their house from pure shame? Either that or
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it's hidden under their porch or something. Because
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they're like, oh shit, I shouldn't have this.
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I don't know what to do with it. Like someone
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local? Yeah, definitely. Have you ever been to
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someone's house and they're just like, look at
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this headstone I stole? Is that normal? No. Is
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that like a Grayling thing? I don't think that's
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legal anyway. Yeah, it's not legal. Most of that
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happened before my era of being in high school.
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What about your era, though? Because you are
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local, to reiterate. Were you ever invited to
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any Pere Cheney parties? I wasn't invited to any
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parties. I wasn't that cool. I don't think any
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of us who's sitting here right now was ever...
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invited to any parties yeah uh no but my sister
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she also went to high school in grayling and
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her friends used to party out there and one of
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the stories that she always told me was And I
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knew this person, too. He was out there one night
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just chilling with his buddies, having a bonfire.
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I don't think it was at the cemetery. It was
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at the clearing that we camped at. Yeah, so if
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you go past the cemetery, there's like a clearing
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in the woods that used to be like a town hub.
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Yeah, it used to be where the town was. There's
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like a bonfire there. People obviously go out.
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But they were having a bonfire, and all of a
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sudden they had a little kid run up on them.
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and at the time they're just like that's super
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weird like oh my god are you okay little kid
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like you're in the middle of the woods in the
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middle of the night and then they were looking
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at him and they're like you aren't You're wearing
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period piece clothes. And they're like, oh, my
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God, like, are you okay? Like, still processing
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this interaction. Because who would think as
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it goes? Exactly. Wait, so was the kid having,
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like, a full -on conversation? No. So they're
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like, oh, are you okay? Like, do you need help?
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Like, trying to see what's up with this little
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kid. And then, poof, gone. He just vanished.
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So no talking from him. No. Like, he ran up on
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them. I never heard this. I have told you guys
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about this multiple times. Okay, this is like
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the whole situation about like you guys telling
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me things and I don't remember. Yeah, we were
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just talking. There's like certain stories we
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tell Bree and then every time we tell her, like
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she acts surprised like, you never told me this.
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This must be the equivalent for us because we
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filmed a whole feature -length film, film, film,
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film, film out there. Oops. Hold on. It's not
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supposed to do that. Now to line up all this
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shit, extra editing. I hate this. This isn't
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supposed to be an edited podcast. What? All right,
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welcome back from that shit. I'm recording to
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the cloud. But somehow my computer said, nope,
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you cannot record to the desktop. And I'm like,
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I'm not recording to the desktop. I don't know
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what you're talking about. And I still had to
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stop the recording. Save the file. Restart recording.
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Let's hope nothing happens again. This isn't
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the first weird technical issue to happen with
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Pere Cheney. The whole hard drive issue that happened
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a couple months ago now. There was one casualty
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and it just so happened to be... some footage
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from Pere Cheney. Um, and I didn't realize that
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until late in the editing. I was like, well,
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I forgot about that. Yeah, it was, we were, uh,
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Tara, we were kind of like split up and, and
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Tara, who's like a witch from Canada that came
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down to film with us. She was doing a little
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ritual and, uh, she was in the woods doing that
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while we were in, uh, the cemetery and other
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parts of the woods, like kind of separated. and
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when she was doing her stuff we had a lot of
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stuff happening uh evp wise we were catching
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evps same moment she heard voices interrupting
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her ritual we heard voices on the other side
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of the woods so it was like really cool things
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lining up but all our footage is gone um doesn't
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affect the film or the narrative at all you know
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you still get out of it that she's out there
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doing her thing and she's sharing her interpretations
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of the events and she's hearing voices doesn't
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necessarily add or detract from the fact that
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we heard voices as well but still we don't have
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that footage yeah uh another thing is and this
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is funny we were editing um i i was lead editor
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but also tommy uh tombstone uh from a non -sasquatch
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production he was the director of the film so
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when we got time we were actually like making
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uh directorial you know story narrative cuts
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for the film you know obviously he's directing
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so uh he's kind of leading um what i'm editing
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so throughout the process i would be kind of
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over zoom uh or or uh stream yard just kind of
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live streaming with each other so uh we're kind
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of remotely virtually editing together on much
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of the project um Been doing it for months now,
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no problems, as soon as the film was done. And
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we go through to do a final pass of the film
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before exporting. He is like, hold on, something's
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happening. And then he gets booted from the stream.
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And he says, this has never happened before.
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My internet is out for some reason. And he couldn't
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access internet on his computer. And he had no
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idea how to fix it. Finally, he fixed it. Hasn't
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had any problems before or since. Then last night,
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we tried watching the film all together for the
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first time. And literally... Same thing happens.
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Literally, with one minute left, the last minute
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of the film, the internet just went out. And
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I was like, deja vu? But then, we were just chit
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-chatting. And five minutes later, the internet
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is back. I didn't even do anything. Yeah. You
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usually have to, like, reset, you know, the modem
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or whatever. This is such, like, a typical pattern
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for us. Yeah. With specifically Pere Cheney. Yeah.
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So. Because we've had in the past, like, because
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you're from the area. We've investigated, the
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two of us, before. you know we started any of
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this to film i mean the film is a couple years
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in the making because we were kicking around
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the idea to do it for like three years and every
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time we would plan to go up and film something
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there would be some like i don't know we're like
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flash flooding warning or like some crazy shit
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um one of the times too it said like it's gonna
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be a terrible you know you know how like april
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sometimes we get like blizzards like like it's
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like okay Fake spring one, okay, fake spring
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two, okay, get a blizzard. One time it said,
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like, there's going to be a blizzard, and we're
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like, we can't film. Yeah. Some people were driving,
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you know, several hours, like I said. Canceled
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the shoot, never ended up snowing at all. Yeah.
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So it was just, like, weird shit that even, like,
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up until trying to get out of there. But we've
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investigated in the past, and we've had, like,
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voice recorders stop working and stuff. Yeah.
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Yeah. Voice recorders, cameras, definitely. A
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bunch of camera issues, my gosh. Always camera
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issues. I don't think I know of a different place
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that we've had that many camera issues before.
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On occasion, we'll have camera issues, but not
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as often as Pere Cheney. You are guaranteed to
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have a camera malfunction when you're at Pere Cheney.
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My phone malfunctioned when I was trying to take
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photos. All my photos disappeared randomly. half
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of them pop back up only like only some of them
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not all of them and another time i think it would
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be fun because okay so the film is an hour and
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20 something minutes it's like a feature film
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film film film film and even then it it could
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have been a four or five hour film with all the
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stuff all the stuff that happened so much stuff
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that was not included exactly so let's start
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usually when we do these like recaps of like
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a new project that's out it's all just like so
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here's the place now go watch the film we don't
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want to spoil anything let's spend the rest of
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this episode just talking about all the shit
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that didn't make the cut and then everyone's
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gonna be listening like wait wait that didn't
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make the cut what did make the cut because in
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other instance that was all on camera angela
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was you know the photographer of the film She
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was taking photos. Half her photos disappeared.
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And then afterwards, some of them reappeared.
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But still, she has missing files, malfunctions.
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Remember we were filming back in the foundations?
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Where the old buildings were? Yeah. A light tipped
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over. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that, actually.
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And then one turned back on. And then my lens
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on my camera, which you have to hold down a button,
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twist, and pull off. The lens fell off. And I
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had to catch it. You're so pissed for me. That
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felt like I was mad. Ghosts, you're not allowed
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to do that. You can't take an expensive lens
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off my camera and throw it at a concrete foundation.
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press and twist yeah it's not possible that whole
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experience in that foundation that we had that
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isn't in the film was just so charged like there
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were so many things that happened and it like
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thinking about it it really wasn't a lot but
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just it felt so energetic like there were Because
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we had the light tip over and then we had the
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camera lens fall off. And I think we had some
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creepy voices that were coming through the spirit
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box, too, that didn't want us there. But, yeah,
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it's just a weird circumstance. It's weird, but
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if you're making a film, which this is a film,
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film, film, film, film. Film, film, film. It's
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an aesthetic film, too. The whole thing is black
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and white except for the fire. which anything
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that's like five years orange so we're like editing
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and we've been editing for a while and we have
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a deadline at this point because we're so close
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to having it finished that now we're in talks
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with like distribution and stuff which is you
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know by the time you're hearing this it's streaming
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currently on paraflix so we're already in talks
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with paraflix already like we have a date set
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and we're just like doing like fine tuning stuff
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like just like fixing like the audio levels and
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stuff and then tommy's like what if we just swap
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in a black and white and then make the fire just
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like no one thing on color is that doable and
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i'm like you mean by tomorrow then he's like
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yeah i i don't know can you do that and i'm like
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editing to like two in the morning get it done
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So I'm like, yeah, I can do that. So that was
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like an aesthetic decision in the last minute.
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But anyways, this is like an aesthetic film.
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So if you are thinking about us out there, the
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light, our only light source is on the ground
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and won't turn on. So it's like dark as can be.
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You can't film that in general easily. And then
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the lens is off the camera. You can't film at
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all. there's no nothing to film yeah so that's
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hard to put in a film especially if it's just
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like you're trying to build a narrative like
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where does it even fit in which is just so crazy
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because it's like i don't know i feel like we're
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the same way it's like if if we're making a project
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like this we're prioritizing the things that
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benefit the story yes so if we get five evps
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and one has to do like really like fits right
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in with like the puzzle pieces fits in with the
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interviews it helps propel the story forward
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yes and the other evps are like because we we
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got a crystal clear evp too that's not in the
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film got a lot yeah a lot but one in particular
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so clear says i don't like you what if that doesn't
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if i did we do If it's between that and something
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that's... Because if you have to pick and choose,
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that doesn't contribute to the story at all.
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Yeah. Not that we're saying that that stuff isn't
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important and great to catch, but for reasons
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for filming and creating a production, there's
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just some things that don't make the cut. And
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I'm sorry, but every time... Because I'm coming
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at it from a film perspective. Every time...
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quote unquote evidence is always going to be
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the first to go if i have to make cuts because
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it really at the end of the day think back to
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any episode of any ghost show you've watched
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right do you remember how many evps episode uh
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107 of ghost ventures caught if i told you they
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caught four evps would that impress you any less
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than if i told you they caught five evps yeah
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no But if I told you that was, I'm just making
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sure, if I told you that was like Alcatraz, would
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you be like, oh yeah, Alcatraz, I know that place.
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And you know the story behind the location. The
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story always is going to... And that's the important
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thing with this documentary is it isn't like
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the... doing the ghost hunting and the investigation
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is just a bonus to what we were trying to do
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which was trying to do that deep dive into Pere Cheney
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that hasn't been done before to fit together
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those puzzle pieces and find those like the history
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that hasn't really been talked about because
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like you like we said in the film like there
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isn't a lot of information out there so that
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is that was the goal of the of the film was to
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get this information out and the ghost hunting
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part the ghost was a bonus yeah it compliments
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yes well and another thing too we were doing
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like i said the the main legend if you go online
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is this the witch what what the hell fucking
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kidding me as soon as i say the witch the witch
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okay let us try take three third times the charm
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also It's funny because the film itself, I had
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to submit to Paraflex three different times because
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there's weird export glitches and errors. And
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like, I would fix one thing like we watched it
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five million times and I exported. I'm like,
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OK, it's final. And I'm like, that shot. literally
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the first shot it's not supposed to lag like
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that what what the heck so i re -exported after
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already submitting it and then there was a weird
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audio glitch that was obnoxious i'm like where
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did that come from and i'm like all right paraflex
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third time's the charm so maybe uh we'll continue
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that trend here but do you think people are gonna
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watch it it's gonna have any issues hope not
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hope not um it'd be so interesting but yeah the
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same issue happened again um where What happened
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was the first time, which we've done in -person
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recordings all the time, and I record on this
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computer all the time for various stuff, freelance
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stuff. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. I recorded
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to the cloud so there wouldn't be any issues.
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Then I said, your computer, like your desktop,
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you can't record to the desktop. I'm like, I'm
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not. And then I tried again because I was like,
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okay, I'll put in the external drive, record
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to the drive, just so there's no issues. And
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then I said, yeah you can't you can't record
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to to the drive i'm like what so i can't record
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at all so like my computer won't let me record
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so now i'm in zoom doing a zoom meeting with
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myself uh just to record via a different different
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like route to kind of cheat the system um of
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course right when i mentioned the witch yeah
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um which my whole witch my whole point was that
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in the film I made it. It was a fun challenge
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for me. I had fun. I was like, how long can I
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go without mentioning the witch at all? Oh, yeah.
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And it took 20 minutes. I was like, I can't go
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longer than 20 minutes. But that's such a good
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idea to do, though. Because that's not the whole
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story. It's not even like. That's like a legend.
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Yeah. It's not even fast. It's folklore. Yeah.
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It's not. That's not proven to be real. It is,
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yeah. It's not important to, like, the town,
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really. Yeah. It's an interesting side note.
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Yeah. But nothing about it can be proven. And
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then the whole thing, too, there's allegedly
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a witch's tree where the witch was allegedly...
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And you will see that everywhere. When you look
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up this town online, the tree will come up. But
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there's different reports of what the tree is.
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Currently, there's a stump that used to be a
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tree that people leave offerings. A lot of people
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will tell you that that used to be the tree,
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the hanging tree. And there's also reports that
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there was a headstone that the witch was actually
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buried there. And then the local sheriff in town
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stole the skull. from this grave and i didn't
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put that because i didn't want you know the sheriff
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to that's still alive to arrest us for incriminating
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him well that's not in there i don't think it
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was the current sheriff but that's fair that's
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fair yeah i think it was to be clear that's speculation
24:36
yeah that's speculation none of this is factual
24:40
yeah but there's always crazy light and then
24:42
you heard from as a local person and we also
24:46
talked to other locals remember when we investigated
24:49
many years ago this like local emt came out with
24:52
us too everyone has a different idea of which
24:55
tree was the hanging tree because he like they
24:58
told like i remember it as being the one of the
25:02
oak trees that's all the way in the back and
25:04
then there's some people who think it's that
25:05
big one that's right there in the center and
25:08
it's like what is it yeah and a lot of people
25:11
say the historical society told us it was that
25:13
stump with people leave offerings at the front
25:16
yeah so we didn't even mention the hanging tree
25:20
or the stump or any of that in the film just
25:23
because it's like this clear pattern of folklore
25:26
where you have one seed of a story and different
25:30
versions of it yeah um but right when we arrived
25:34
at the stump we did investigate this stump because
25:38
you have to people you have to right when we
25:40
showed up to the stump start recording because
25:43
we've been in the cemetery the whole time already
25:45
but we haven't looked at the stump so we came
25:48
up to the stump to like get some footage start
25:51
like do a session or whatever it starts raining
25:55
yeah and this is full downpour but it's weird
25:59
though because it wasn't it didn't have like
26:02
rain clouds in the sky it was like this it was
26:04
funny it was and but when it started raining
26:07
it was like this one little cloud right above
26:10
us that that was what was downpouring on us but
26:14
it was still sunny like everything around us
26:17
was like the sunshine was still showing and stuff
26:21
yeah so we yeah because like we're like oh my
26:24
god it's downpouring let's go sit in the cars
26:26
for a second by the time we got to the cars it
26:29
was done raining yeah like it was like as soon
26:33
as we got to the stump it started raining yeah
26:36
walked away walked back to the stump and it it
26:39
wasn't a downpour but it was started it was sprinkling
26:41
just a little bit yeah it was it happened twice
26:44
it was like what so we just we just didn't really
26:48
do it we didn't get anything investigating there
26:51
but it was still a very odd odd coincidence but
26:56
like it was just coincidental very was it just
27:02
like when i said I said witch and then the computer
27:05
died. Should we try? Witch! Oh my god. No. 1,
27:11
2, 3, witch. 1, 2, 3, witch! You have to do it.
27:16
Kill my computer with the power of the witch.
27:19
Are we accusing the computer of being a witch?
27:23
Witch! Witch crap! Oh my god, it did it again!
27:28
No, I'm kidding. I sentence your computer to
27:32
death for witchcraft. No, don't do that. No.
27:38
I think we just wrote out that the witch is in
27:42
my computer. It's a plague in the pines, not
27:46
a plague in the... Plague in a ghost in the ghost
27:50
machine. Would that be the virus? Oh, is this
27:54
a modern day diphtheria? We did have two rounds
27:58
of it. Yeah. Yeah, we did. Yeah. What else happened?
28:03
So we split up. Yeah. A couple times. A couple
28:08
times. That was kind of, we realized that there's
28:11
so much ground to cover. And everyone that goes
28:14
out there only focuses on the cemetery. And that's
28:17
a mistake. Because that's the only thing that's
28:19
left. People don't really know about the foundations
28:21
or anything. Yeah. They're hard to find. You
28:24
don't really know about them unless you know
28:26
somebody who knows somebody. Or, you know, a
28:29
local, which even I as a local didn't know where
28:32
like the old foundations or the town used to
28:35
be. Well, something I found most shocking in
28:39
the film when we were talking with the Historical
28:42
Society, what you can see as a cemetery now,
28:46
which Riley Clark, he got some incredible drone
28:50
video and you can see from. aerial view like
28:53
there's clearly it's a big cemetery it was four
28:57
times bigger yeah there's four times as many
29:00
graves that are even visible in the woods into
29:03
the woods like the full -grown woods like that's
29:08
part of the cemetery and there's a mass grave
29:10
out there there's a mass grave somewhere in the
29:12
woods yeah but nobody knows where so but what
29:17
was your guys's favorite that didn't make it
29:22
into the film. I got it. What is it? The monster
29:26
on the railroad track. Oh, yeah. We were... There's
29:30
a creepy moment that happened that made it in
29:34
the film. This was coming back from the cemetery.
29:37
Yes. That was in the film. I wasn't with them
29:39
at this point. We had split up. This was when
29:40
we split up. I was with... You were in the clearing.
29:43
Yeah, I was in the clearing at the bonfire. And
29:46
then, yeah, there at the bonfire, we're... Apparently
29:49
a little kid ran up on your sister's friend.
29:52
Oh yeah. Which I didn't know until now. And we
29:56
were in the cemetery and we were coming back.
29:58
So we were crossing the railroad tracks to meet
30:00
back up with them. And Trevor from what was bump
30:03
in the night saw an end of the railroad tracks.
30:07
And what he described as like, and again, I'm
30:09
totally butchering and this is his story, but
30:12
he saw like a giant shadow mass. He described
30:16
as like, It was underneath one of the lights.
30:21
Yeah, there's like streetlights. Yeah. And it
30:24
was giant. He looked like a monster. Just like
30:28
a giant thing. And he was like really shaken
30:30
up. But it was too far to be able to get on camera.
30:35
You couldn't see. But you could see with your
30:36
eyes. You saw it too? I did see something go
30:40
across the railroad track. What did you see?
30:43
To the extent that you saw. So there's something.
30:47
I didn't know you saw something. Because I was
30:48
focused. Because I was doing like double duty.
30:50
I was doing thermal and all this stuff. So I
30:52
missed it. Because I didn't have anything in
30:55
my hand. So I was just like looking down there
30:57
like he was. I wasn't filming or anything. But
31:01
you saw it. You definitely acknowledged there
31:03
was something at the end of the railroad tracks.
31:04
Oh, 100%. It really scared me too. Was it bigger
31:09
than like if a person was just down there? Oh,
31:11
100%. Hmm. I don't know. Interesting. I don't
31:16
know. I don't know what it was, but it was weird.
31:20
He definitely saw something, because I kind of
31:22
saw something, too. I don't think I saw it to
31:24
the extent he saw it, but... Because he was staring
31:27
at it. You must have saw it right when it, like,
31:29
moved away or something. Something like that,
31:31
yeah. Were there any other moments? I mean, we
31:34
were talking about, like, a giant monster or
31:36
something on the end of the railroad tracks,
31:39
potentially. Were there any moments that surprised
31:41
you in the moment? But then when it came to actually
31:46
putting the film together, you're like, yeah,
31:50
in the grand scheme of things, that didn't really
31:53
make the cut. Like, I can kind of see why. Because
31:57
so much happened. Like I was saying, we got so
31:59
much EVPs. So, so many like small experiences
32:03
that in the moment we were just like engaged.
32:06
We did like multiple investigations. We're engaged
32:08
the whole time. Yeah. Oh, we should. We mentioned
32:13
this on the podcast. We had a series of EVPs.
32:17
Oh, yeah. In the film, we have a really clear
32:21
EVP saying witness when we were asking about
32:25
the fires. We said, did you witness the fire?
32:28
Then this really clear voice says witness. It
32:30
was like a little girl or something. And after
32:33
that, we had a whole series of responses that
32:37
were like responding to our questions. And the
32:40
most memorable one to me was like, oh, do you
32:42
like playing any games? And it had said ring
32:45
around the Rosie. Yes. And of course, we didn't
32:50
hear it at the time. So we're like, oh, do you
32:51
like playing tag? And then right after that,
32:55
just a little girl's voice said tag. And then
32:58
we never heard anything again. That was the most
33:01
memorable and awesome EVP. It was like it said
33:04
tag and then ran away. Waiting for us to catch
33:08
her or something. But you were saying that when
33:12
you guys went in to look at this or listen to
33:16
these EVPs to potentially put them in the film.
33:20
They didn't come across like that. No, they were
33:22
not there. It did not sound like it. No. But
33:24
in the moment when we were there in the cemetery,
33:27
listened to the recordings, we listened to them
33:29
multiple times, and there was how many of us
33:31
there who heard this voice? All of us heard it.
33:36
It was so clear. And for it to just not sound
33:40
clear at all makes no sense to me. No. We talked
33:44
about it on this podcast. We did. Yeah. Yeah.
33:47
and that's the thing it's like in the moment
33:49
we're like this is this is like that's like peak
33:52
evidence like we we can end the film on this
33:54
this is like we're talking to someone they're
33:57
giving us real indication on who they are you
34:00
know this ties in with so much of the the story
34:04
and where it's building and bubbling up to at
34:05
this point this could be like the the finale
34:07
this could we could end on this yeah and then
34:10
you go back and you're like We got 10 EVPs and
34:13
you can only hear the first one. But you can
34:15
hear the first one so clear. Yeah, you can hear
34:17
the first one. That's just mind -blowing. That
34:20
was like a moment where it's like... They were
34:22
going to end with it. That's how clear and profound
34:26
it was. And then the fact that you couldn't even
34:30
add it. We don't like spoiling things. And we
34:33
even spoiled that on this. But we were like,
34:35
we have to talk about this. Because it was so
34:38
cool. I have never... had that because it was
34:42
like back -to -back responses to our questions
34:45
and then it's just you can't hear them do you
34:50
think it's because we talked about on the podcast
34:52
like we jinxed it probably If you want to understand
35:07
why we're laughing, you should watch the film.
35:13
We're not going to spoil anything. What we're
35:17
talking about all episode is the stuff that didn't
35:19
make the cut. So this is not spoilers. So none
35:22
of what we're talking about is a spoiler. But
35:25
if you want some peak Shining Sisters bullshit
35:29
that these two do. They... Mm -hmm. It's gonna
35:36
haunt your nightmares after watching Pere Cheney
35:40
Plague in the Pines. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Mm -hmm.
35:45
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. It's gonna be super interesting,
35:49
like, once this premieres and potentially, like,
35:56
releases in Grayling at the Rialto. to see what
36:01
the local population has to say about it, their
36:05
comments on it. I'm sure they're going to probably
36:09
be like, oh, I want to share my story. So it
36:11
would be really cool to be able to have a way
36:14
to have people submit their experiences and potentially
36:19
do a follow -up later interviews. Maybe someone
36:25
will return a headstone. Yeah. No, we were talking
36:29
like it's an hour 22 or something, hour 23. We
36:33
can easily, in six months from now, you know,
36:36
do a couple interviews at a, you know, in -town
36:40
premiere. Yeah. Have some of this unseen footage
36:44
that we'll probably be posting on social media,
36:46
but incorporate some of that. Easily get up to
36:49
an hour 30 for an extended cut just to kind of
36:52
keep the momentum going down the road. Might
36:56
even get up to two hours. Who knows? We might
36:59
have outtakes from the outtakes. We definitely
37:01
have enough stuff, yeah. And then also, Pere Cheney
37:07
is one of 22 ghost towns in Crawford County.
37:12
So, we have 21 sequels to make, too. I feel like
37:18
a lot of them are not as well preserved as...
37:22
Well, I mean... Pere Cheney really isn't preserved
37:24
either. All that remains is the cemetery. I mean,
37:27
the only other one that I have kind of been to
37:33
is Duard. And all that's left of that is like
37:38
the old stone pillars of a sawmill. That you
37:46
know of. That I know of. I mean, that's the thing
37:49
with Pere Cheney. I mean, we'll just end on this.
37:52
The biggest find was not paranormal. Anyone that
37:55
thinks that nothing remains of Pere Cheney Ghost
37:58
Town is actually incorrect. There's lots of bodies
38:01
that remain. And there's a place you can go that's
38:07
original to the Pere Cheney Ghost Town and you
38:09
can actually go inside. It's a structure. But
38:12
you gotta watch to know more. Because we went
38:15
inside and it's potentially... just as if not
38:19
more haunted too in the cemetery similar connections
38:23
you know to that type of activity experience
38:25
as well yeah um so if you're curious about a
38:31
major historical discovery and that's another
38:34
thing too it's like maybe when this gets out
38:37
we can get money to preserve it better and yeah
38:40
who knows who knows make sure that It gets its
38:44
proper due and people know this place exists
38:46
and it gets preserved for history. All right.
38:50
Well, I'm glad the witch let us finish this episode
38:53
in peace. Took three times to export the movie,
38:56
three times to record this podcast. Now Ben has
39:01
to do editing that he didn't want to do. No,
39:03
I usually don't edit this podcast. Let's just
39:08
end on another one, two, three witch. Send people
39:11
home with. With a little bit of mystery and intrigue,
39:14
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