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Did The Vikings Beat Us Into Space? | David Lovegrove · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello friends, I'm your host, Chris Throw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 1: Ruleries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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  Speaker 1: eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port
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  Speaker 1: the t Shirt Podcast. David, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 2: I'm very well.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Yes, I'm absolutely I'm absolutely firing. Really
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  Speaker 1: great to have you on the show. Your latest book.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going to get a picture on the screen. Dunt,
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  Speaker 1: dun't dun. Viking Superpowers Way of Ascard do the Viking
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  Speaker 1: miss contain ancestral memories of ancient, high technology and powerful
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  Speaker 1: space faring humanoids who bred with and colonized the north
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  Speaker 1: of the world. Massive congratulations on on on that, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be here, mate.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoyed it so much last time we talked, and
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  Speaker 3: I often watched the show, and I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: about my cousins over there in Old Blighty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we think a lot about the convicts down there
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  Speaker 1: in Old oz.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. We've got our chains off a long time ago,
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  Speaker 3: but we're still a little bit like we used to be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm absolutely joking, of course, because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we're brothers and sisters, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was brought up to think that, yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 2: My parents and my grandparents very proud to be British.
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  Speaker 2: I was brought up to be proud to be British.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know anybody was criticizing it until I was
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit older and went, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, again. It relates to what I was saying in
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  Speaker 1: the introduction's ego, isn't it. We've got to transcend our ego.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to get over this three D material self
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  Speaker 1: and reach a state of enlightenment consciousness. And the only way,
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  Speaker 1: as JC said, the only way is through me, through
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  Speaker 1: through Christ consciousness is by finding love or activating love.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't do that if you hate your cousins,
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  Speaker 1: you know, down under or across the Pond or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: or your bombing Russia, or your you know, doing likewise
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  Speaker 1: to Ukraine or whatever it might be. World's got well,
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  Speaker 1: it's got a lot to learn sometimes, I think, yeah, And.
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  Speaker 3: I think we common people could teach the leaders a
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  Speaker 3: lot if they could listen to us. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how many actually ever do they live in their
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  Speaker 3: own bubble. I've always found it very frustrating that we
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  Speaker 3: can't talk directly to our leaders and say, come on,
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  Speaker 3: what are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Why are we still having.
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  Speaker 3: Wars and all this hate at this time? You know,
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  Speaker 3: come on, try a bit harder. Yeah, I think that
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  Speaker 3: really works.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's because they picked the dummies to be
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  Speaker 1: the you know that thing that leaders are selected, not elected.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, interestingly, Paul Wallace is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an absolute scholar when it comes to the Bible,
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  Speaker 3: but he's also deeply into Plato and Platonic thought and Neoplatonism,
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  Speaker 3: and he sort of turned me onto Plato. I always
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  Speaker 3: had a bit of an interest, but my main thing
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  Speaker 3: has always been Old Norse.
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  Speaker 2: But I love history generally. I know quite a bit
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  Speaker 2: about many different eras.
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  Speaker 3: But reading Plato, I realized that twenty five hundred years
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  Speaker 3: ago he was talking about what happens to the soul
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  Speaker 3: when we die, and.
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  Speaker 2: This particular story, this guy who it's.
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  Speaker 3: Called the Myth of her he Are, and this guy,
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  Speaker 3: this young soldier, comes back to life after he's dead
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  Speaker 3: for nine days.
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  Speaker 2: They're about to burn him on a funeral.
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  Speaker 3: Bier comes back to life and he tells them all
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  Speaker 3: about where he's been and what he saw, and there
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  Speaker 3: was a big influence on early Christianity the way of thinking.
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  Speaker 3: But Plato was essentially saying that each life we get
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  Speaker 3: to choose who are going to be next time, and
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  Speaker 3: that the foolish people choose to be really wealthy and
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  Speaker 3: great tyrants and kings. Then this guide shows the young guy.
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  Speaker 3: He says, who's those people going down under the earth?
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  Speaker 2: And he says, oh, that's a bad place to go.
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  Speaker 3: That's all the people who he just had a life
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  Speaker 3: of being really wealthy and powerful and it became tyrants
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  Speaker 3: and they did terrible things.
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  Speaker 2: They're fellow man. Now they're going to get punished for that.
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  Speaker 3: And he said, who are these people here? They're coming
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  Speaker 3: back from getting punished, and they're actually a fair bit
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  Speaker 3: wiser now, and so they'll choose to just be some
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  Speaker 3: ordinary dude who doesn't really bother other people and lives
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  Speaker 3: a life like you're saying, of love and enlightenment. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's what Plato thought. We go through a
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  Speaker 3: lot of cycles. Essentially, it was all about reincarnation.
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  Speaker 1: Best job in the world must just be a beach comba. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, simple life, living a shark. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you get Netflix or whatever your thing is. But
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  Speaker 1: you you wander along the beach in the sun every morning,
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  Speaker 1: wondering what life has brought you.
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  Speaker 2: And I've done it.
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  Speaker 3: I lived on the beach for about six months. That
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  Speaker 3: was my whole dream, was just to be this surfer
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  Speaker 3: guy that lived on the land, Greery's own food. I
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  Speaker 3: had it all planned out. It didn't quite work out.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't quite as easy as I thought. I spent
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  Speaker 3: a lot of time living on pancakes and bananas, which
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  Speaker 3: people used to give me.
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  Speaker 2: Bananas and I just.
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  Speaker 3: Had flour and water to make pancakes and you'd tasted sandwich.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that life. We have a wonderful life here.
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  Speaker 3: It's just amazing how beaches are just tropical paradise. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's like something out of Robinson Crusoe. And I spent
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  Speaker 3: a lot of my life just walking on beaches, surfing, swimming,
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  Speaker 3: thinking God, I'm lucky.
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  Speaker 1: To be here. Absolutely getting onto the scripture. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Wallace and I we had some exchange back along
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  Speaker 1: where I was. You know, when you're a YouTuber, your
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  Speaker 1: paths cross with a lot of YouTubers on different subjects,
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  Speaker 1: dirt to dirt, and I love, you know, I love
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  Speaker 1: the spiritual simply because it's so bloody clever, David. It's
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  Speaker 1: so clever that most people will never get it or
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  Speaker 1: even understand what it is. They probably think it's like
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  Speaker 1: religion or you know, hippies and Josticks or some something
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  Speaker 1: like that, And what it actually is is it's it's well,
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  Speaker 1: it's many things, but you know, it's the code for life.
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  Speaker 1: It's the code to control your biochemistry. So you fire
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  Speaker 1: not only as your you know, the mac the micro
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  Speaker 1: in the universe, but you also understand your universe itself.
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  Speaker 1: And that means getting over the ego and all the
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  Speaker 1: trials and tribulations that go with thinking that a Ferrari's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make you happy, or drugs or alcohol, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is like the way forward, or you know, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. The reason I mentioned it is
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  Speaker 1: I I really haven't looked at Paul stuff lately, but
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  Speaker 1: like the book there says that Eden enigma and he's
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  Speaker 1: got a picture. He's got a picture of the famous
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  Speaker 1: Sumerian I believe it's a tablet or is it a
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  Speaker 1: wool freeze, but either way, it's Sumerian art.
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  Speaker 3: And it sort of looks like it's middle to me.
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  Speaker 3: That one I actually feature quite a bit in.
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  Speaker 1: That book, and I just wanted to say, David, is
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  Speaker 1: that you got this guy there? So he's holding the
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  Speaker 1: pine cone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh brilliant, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, he's holding the pine cone pine combe represented of
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  Speaker 1: the pineal gland. He's got the wings, which representative of enlightenment,
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  Speaker 1: and he's carrying the bag. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the bag is. They say, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of debate about it. But I would argue it's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's enlightenment itself. It's it's even maybe like a
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  Speaker 1: bit more than chi. So my question to you is
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  Speaker 1: and and then when you get sorry. In Edam, you
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  Speaker 1: had Adam and Eve and they went east of Eden,
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  Speaker 1: didn't they allegory for going to the right side of
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  Speaker 1: the brain, for accessing the love, the peace, the kindness,
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  Speaker 1: the emp the rather than like the dogma and the
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  Speaker 1: rationality and the you know, no, it's science, it's mathematics.
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  Speaker 1: So where does Paul lie on this sort of yeah,
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  Speaker 1: theory based whatever we're going to call it.
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  Speaker 3: Very much in the same way I think we both
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  Speaker 3: are looking for a pragmatic ancient, you know, contact with
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  Speaker 3: advanced humanoid's story, whilst at the same time also seeing
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  Speaker 3: the spiritual story and the the allegories and the sort
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  Speaker 3: of like wordless stories. That's you know, the right side
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  Speaker 3: of the brain is the artistic side, it's the visionary side.
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  Speaker 2: And that's very much a part of my.
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  Speaker 3: Thinking is that people think that the left brain all
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  Speaker 3: the text based verbal logical stuff is you know, that's
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  Speaker 3: human intelligence. Whereas my own journey through art and yoga
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  Speaker 3: and kung fu and other things, even my spiritual time
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  Speaker 3: when I was younger as a Christian, I learned a
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  Speaker 3: lot about just accessing faith, which is really not about thinking.
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  Speaker 3: It's sort of I walk by faith and not by sight.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that.
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  Speaker 3: Attitude has helped me even though I'm not a traditional
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  Speaker 3: Christian anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But right through my life, I've.
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  Speaker 3: Learned to step out into the dark, to trust that
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  Speaker 3: the great Mind is looking after me, that the great
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  Speaker 3: Spirit is on my side, and just step out into
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  Speaker 3: the dark. I don't know what I'm doing, but I
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  Speaker 3: have this faith that it will all be okay. And
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  Speaker 3: that step of faith is one of the big things,
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  Speaker 3: and Paul talks about that people often don't quite pick
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  Speaker 3: that up in his work, but I always see it
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  Speaker 3: that he's saying, yes, I believe that there was the
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  Speaker 3: ancient texts are talking about very high tech, powerful beings
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  Speaker 3: that came to the earth for different reasons. I say
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  Speaker 3: the same in Poking Superpowers way of Asgard. We both
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  Speaker 3: find the same stories in there. But also he talks about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a liberated spirituality and like you're doing, discovering
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  Speaker 3: how to connect with yourself, discovering how to connect with
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  Speaker 3: the great self, what the Indians called the Utmann and
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  Speaker 3: para upmann self, the great self, no ego. I to
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  Speaker 3: tell the truth. When I was young, I knew I
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  Speaker 3: was intelligent, a bit more intelligent the average person. But
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  Speaker 3: I quickly came to the realization that my intelligence would
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  Speaker 3: tie me up in knots. And when I first got
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  Speaker 3: into meditating only through yoga, and then through that this
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  Speaker 3: type of kung fu I practice. It's a sort of
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  Speaker 3: a no mindedness practice. And I discovered that there was
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  Speaker 3: this knowledge in there that you can't put into words.
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  Speaker 3: That seems illogical, but it's so profoundly.
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  Speaker 2: Right and powerful.
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  Speaker 3: And now these things have just given up on me.
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  Speaker 3: Can you still hear so long as you can you
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  Speaker 3: hear me? I can hear you?
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  Speaker 2: Fine?
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  Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Yeah? Absolutely perfect, good one mate.
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  Speaker 3: I thought i'd charged them. They just told me sorry,
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  Speaker 3: we're on the way out.
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  Speaker 1: They never worked with children, animals or technology.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It actually reminds me of that famous scene in I
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  Speaker 3: think it's yeah that Bruce Willis famous movie about the
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  Speaker 3: Twin Towers. You know, you know the one.
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  Speaker 1: Was it one of the die Hard ones?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Die Hard, that's it. And there's this famous part where
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  Speaker 3: this terrorist monster dude is talking giving out his threats
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  Speaker 3: to the world, and he's guys filming and he sees
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  Speaker 3: them there that tally lights flashing and you can see
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  Speaker 3: the guys start the sweat and he's likeing, oh no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to get shot, and the thing gives up
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of the great threatening speech and the Cameron.
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  Speaker 3: So it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole YouTube video there isn't there of
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  Speaker 1: you know, the times when your battery died on someone's
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  Speaker 1: phone and it really didn't end well. Yes, So David,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's get into it to it then,
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  Speaker 1: So starting with your book, can you we can what
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  Speaker 1: I'm I think, what I'm getting at is I think
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  Speaker 1: we could chat forever. So but I want to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: put your best put you in the best light with
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  Speaker 1: with your new work, So we better get into it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what is what's Viking superpowers? So could you very briefly
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  Speaker 1: outline what that means to us lesser folk?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, Well, it's essentially that I've discovered through retranslating the
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  Speaker 3: the what people call the Viking sagas and the Viking
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  Speaker 3: myths in the midst of hesgard odin Thor Freyer Loki. Well,
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  Speaker 3: people only know these names through the Marvel movies, but
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  Speaker 3: a lot of other people are aware of them from
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  Speaker 3: different sources. But I've gone in and retranslated these stories
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  Speaker 3: because I've been studying Icelandic for many, many years and
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  Speaker 3: finding that rather than being stories of mythical beings, you know,
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  Speaker 3: fairy tales, they seemed to be actual stories about actual
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  Speaker 3: powerful people in the very ancient past who ruled over
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  Speaker 3: first the Middle East, you know, around Turkey, especially around Anatolia,
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  Speaker 3: and then we're told, you know, in the ancient stories,
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  Speaker 3: that they traveled to the north and they interpred with
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  Speaker 3: the humans in France and Russia and Saxony and Denmark, Sweden,
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  Speaker 3: Norway eventually England, and they they could fly, and they
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  Speaker 3: had great cities that when you read the descriptions they
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  Speaker 3: they go from being this fairy tale to very concrete
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  Speaker 3: dwelling places that seem to be made for war. And
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  Speaker 3: that seemed to be I think based on huge flying craft,
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  Speaker 3: like the sort of stuff people report now seeing in
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  Speaker 3: the skies, and I think that there's link swift the Bible.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't purposely gone out of my way to say, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 3: this is the same thing, but I have found a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things that point towards these ancient stories and
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  Speaker 3: the Bible and other Mesopotamian stories talking about the same
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  Speaker 3: sort of beings and probably tribes of beings the other.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the superpower of these super powerful people mortals,
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  Speaker 3: not gods, not creators of the universe, but they live
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  Speaker 3: for a very long time, and the therapies that they have,
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  Speaker 3: which has talked about in my book. It's in the
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  Speaker 3: old sagas, but also the superpowers. You and I were
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  Speaker 3: just talking about the human superpowers that are suppressed in
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  Speaker 3: our society, and there's no doubt at all that they
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  Speaker 3: are suppressed. It's almost exactly the same the way the
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  Speaker 3: knowledge of you know, UFO's ups, flying sources, extraterrestrials is
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  Speaker 3: suppressed in our society. You know, it's like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's rubbish. Only soft headed people believe that you're a
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  Speaker 3: liar or a charlatan. If you tell me stories about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, seeing great craft or meeting having a close
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  Speaker 3: encounter with a person from another place, this is just rubbish.
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  Speaker 3: And people say the same thing about you know, the
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  Speaker 3: powers of telepathy, clairvoyance, you know, even telekinesis, remote viewing.
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  Speaker 3: All these sort of things are considered in the same bag.
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  Speaker 3: This is yeh, where scientific. We're logical. You know, we're
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  Speaker 3: super powerful in our left brain. Don't give us that
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  Speaker 3: trippy crap because it's not real. Any intelligent person knows
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  Speaker 3: it's not real. That's what they tell us. And so
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  Speaker 3: our whole culture suppresses it by just ignoring it and
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  Speaker 3: mocking it and saying it doesn't exist. But there are
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  Speaker 3: cultures around the world who haven't done that and who
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  Speaker 3: absolutely believe in these abilities. You look at the Indian culture,
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  Speaker 3: look at Japan, even old China, so many places, and
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  Speaker 3: the Vikings also they believe in reincarnation. There's so much
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  Speaker 3: indicating in the old sagas that paranormal abilities were considered normal.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they weren't witches. That's the church laid that
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  Speaker 3: on them.
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  Speaker 1: Getting back to your book cover, Sorry, folks, technical glitch, David.
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  Speaker 1: We were looking at your book cover and I was asking,
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  Speaker 1: very briefly, way of Asgard. Can you just explain in
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  Speaker 1: a sentence what that means.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm focusing on Asgard, which is the ancient great
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  Speaker 3: city of the Aca, which is the Norse word for
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  Speaker 3: the gods odin Thorne, Loki and such characters.
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  Speaker 1: Roger and the What is the gold the little gold
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  Speaker 1: thing of me jig looks like it should be a
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  Speaker 1: brooch or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it actually is a broach. When I went
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  Speaker 3: to Scandinavia last year to research this book, I made
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  Speaker 3: a beeline for a little Well, it's a city called Lund.
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  Speaker 3: It's not one that the average English speaker knows, but
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  Speaker 3: it used to be a very prominent city in Sweden
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  Speaker 3: in the old days.
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  Speaker 2: And Lund.
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  Speaker 3: Really yeah, that's cool. Well, you know it. So the
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  Speaker 3: university has a great museum with lots of periods, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the bronze Age, which I was really into the Viking Age,
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  Speaker 3: and you know the in Betweens, But that brooch is
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  Speaker 3: called the Voland brooch. It's v O two dots or
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  Speaker 3: and then l U n D. So it's only a
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  Speaker 3: recent five. It's found about ten years ago in a
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  Speaker 3: place called Lobatra, which is where they've been digging up
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  Speaker 3: this incredible Viking Age temple, one of the first that
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  Speaker 3: they found, and they found that near the porch of
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  Speaker 3: the temple is sort of the outdoor area, and it's
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  Speaker 3: a brooch representing this elf Voland. And in England you
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  Speaker 3: call it Whalen the Smith. Have you ever that? No, yes,
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  Speaker 3: it's an obscure thing nowadays, but it used to be
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  Speaker 3: sort of well known Whalen the Smith. So he was
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  Speaker 3: this alf who was a master craftsman. He gets captured
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  Speaker 3: by this evil king and queen. They hamstring him by
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  Speaker 3: cutting the sinews behind his knees so he can't get away,
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  Speaker 3: and they force him to make all sorts of incredible
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  Speaker 3: treasures for them, gold and jewels, whatever. So he plots
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  Speaker 3: his revenge and eventually he builds a flying machine and
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  Speaker 3: it literally says there's two sargats. It's amazing. There's two
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  Speaker 3: sagas that talk about this story. One of them is
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  Speaker 3: called Volndikudia and it's in the Poetic Eddor, this is
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a book of the oldest older poems and stories, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: another one called Fithles.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: Saga of Baden, and that's it's called velloped Saga, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: that goes into great detail, but long in the short
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: of it is.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: There's two sagas and this brooch that talk about this
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: guy I build a flying machine. And it's pre Viking age,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: so it's probably another thousand years older than the Viking Age,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: so it's maybe time of Christ, maybe earlier the stories.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: But when I looked at that brooch, I sort of
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: went there because I'd seen it online. I thought, my god,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: this thing's just it's anachronistic. It shouldn't even be there.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: When I went there and had a close look at it,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I took heaps of photos and video, and I realized
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: that it's got a lot of odd things about it,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: including it's got ailerons. Do you have any aviation background.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I've come a pilot's license.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what ailerons are. So the wings, he's
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: got these eagle wings which are representation. But the bottom
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: third of the wings, there's a line across and they
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: you know, to me, they just have to be ailerons.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And he's got the tail surface the elevator at the bottom.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Now besides, just above that tail, you'll see two shapes
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: that look almost like hooks or claws or something round
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: about where his backside would be. And I believe they're flames.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I believe they're sculpturally created flames. And I think it's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a jet motor. And nobody's given me a good sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: of rebuttal to this. They say. One guy was really
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: having a gaze one day, saying are their claws or
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: their straps? But none of the other straps look like that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: These things are. They sort of tape and they become bulbous,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and then they come to a point they split at
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the end. There's just a little gouge. And for me,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: as a long time professional artist, they're just the way
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I would actually sculpt flames if I was going to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: do it. So why is there flames there? When I
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: look at the top of the wings, there's you see
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: those two knobs.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the two kind of roundish things.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, when you I don't know if you can
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: see it. I can't remember off the so of my
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: head where you can see it there, I think you can.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: But you see there's there's like a spiral around them.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: There's there's a little line, but it actually is not
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: just a circle. It it's spirals. I see that. Yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: So to me, these are intakes there air intakes, like
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: you know, jet motor. It's fuel and egg gets spark,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: flame rolls out, the bottom turns the irvine sucks air
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: in the top, and so I think this is a
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: really ancient representation of a jet motor on a small
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: flying device. The guy's got a helmet on, he's got
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a ring suit, he's got heavy boots, you know, flame
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: fresh boots, he's got heavy gloves on. And of course
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: this sounds like a wild fantasy. But the thing is
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: when you look at it all together, and then you
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: look at the stories which talk about this guy flying
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: straight up getting away from this king. He's got a
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: guy shooting arrows at him, and suddenly he's up near
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: the clouds and the king's saying, I wish I could
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: get it you, but you're too high for the archers.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And he's hovering up near the clouds and there's this
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: great roaring, and even in the second that Vallat saga
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: he makes, he makes like a first prototype and he
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: gets his brothers to go for a flight in it,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: and he tells his brother take off into the wind
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and then land with the wind. So the brother takes
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: off and says, he goes really high, and then he
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: looks towards the earth. The next thing, there is this
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: great roaring and it says literally in the Old Norse language,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: he almost lost consciousness. And then he pulls out and crashes.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: And then the violent the old says to his brother,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I was tricking you. I knew you'd try to take
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: off in it and fly away. And the brother said, yeah,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I would have, And he said, well you should have
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: taken off into the wind and landed into the wind.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Now that's a very that's a very pilot bit of knowledge,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you know. That's that's most average people. Now if you
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: said to them, when you take off an aircraft, you
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: fly into the wind or with the wind, they go,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but there it is. And you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: you say, yes, they watched birds or something like that,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: but just losing consciousness. Who would have thought of that?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: That's chief, you know, the guy if it's a jet,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: the guy's lost control and he's sort of spinning and
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: he's just pulling some serious g's and he almost you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: he's reading out. You have to sort of run with
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: these ideas. You know, if you're too sensible to go
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: that's impossible, as a lot of people are, then you'll
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: never find the key. But I actually believe that this
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: is this is an artifact of this ancient technology that's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: come from somewhere, that people had this stuff. And I've
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: got two chapters all about flying machines and stories in
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: the sagas that are really hard to understand. Why would
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: they have this flying It's so obviously real flying, not
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: just turning into a bird or some fantasy thing. They're
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: literally in some kind of flying craft. And at one
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: point Loki gets shot down in this hawk shape. He's
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: been chased by an eagle shape. But the Norse, the
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: old language indicse it's not talking about like he turned
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: into an eagle or a hawk. They're in some kind
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: of shape. So the book is it's well thought out,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Like I'm it mightn't be apparent that I'm not an idiot,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and people have sort of indicated that I just laughed back.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: When they people troll me I'm online, I always just
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: have a laugh and I'm always friendly back. I say, well,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: let me explain, brother, this is the way I think.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: And they usually they an't come back. I've had a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: few people I've converted them and they've sort of gone,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: you're a pretty reasonable guy.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Actually what you're saying does sort of make sense.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, So what when you describe a powerful space faring humanoid,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: what can you give us put us in the picture?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: What are we talking here that she is a humanoid?
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Well, it's having human like shape, you know, two arms,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: two legs ahead, not like you know, technical monster or
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: something like that. It could be like a reptility in
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: or a lizard.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I think what.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: We're dealing with here is the people that have been reported.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: You know, we've got the small Grays, everyone tends to
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: know them, but we've got the Nordics, and they've been
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: reported since you know, early mid twentieth century, when people
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: start to really talk about flying sauces, et cetera. There's
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: these very human like people with sort of blondish hair,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: blue eyes. Sound like abba, but they're really handsome and beautiful,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: and I think that's who these people are in the
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Norse sagas. I think they are these people. And I
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: wish I could tell you what it was. I only
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: saw it this morning. But there's been a conversation in
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the United States Congress between some congressmen a guy who
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: who's come he's a whistleblower, but he's come forward and
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: said he's been involved in you know, non human crash retrievals.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: And he said, this is like yesterday apparently. He said,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: there's four races. We've been dealing with ones, the Grays,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the little fellas, on's these tall Nordics. There's a reptilian
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: lizard like they're not actually lizards, but they sort of
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: look like that, and then insect type people. And I've
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: heard that from others. Remember Paul Hellier, he was a
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Canadian defense minister back in the sixties and he came forward,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: he came forward ten or fifteen years ago and said,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: we've been dealing with Allians for a long time and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: there's been all sorts of amazing stuff covered up, massive
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: fleets of these craft that we thought were the reds
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: and you know what, almost went to def Con for
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: and Luckily they turned around and yeah, he talks about
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: four races and that Israeli. These are General Shed Haim
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a Shed.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: He was the.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Sort of the father of the Israeli space program and
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: said a lot of satellites into space, won all sorts
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: of prominent awards, and he came out a few years
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: ago and said, you know what, We've been in contact
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: with these this is like a galactic council for a
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: long time. And you know they're working on Mars deep
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: underground with the United States and some of Israelis and
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: people from other countries. And you know, it was just
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: like everyone read has this guy gone bonkers or smaal
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: or what? But apparently he's neither, and he just he's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: ninety something and he's the what the hell? You know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna tell us. I know they won't really
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: believe me, but some people will. Yeah, that's who I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: think we're dealing with. And that's who I think. That's
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: in my ancient stories.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I did a podcast years ago. It was just after
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I probably started with a chap called if I remember
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: rightly Bob Weiguard right and incredibly fascinating experience. I'm using
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: the word fascinating as opposed to strange, because it was
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: it was a bizarre meeting. This this guy's former Navy
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: seal lived on Hawaii. And I can't even pretend to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: sum up everything we talked about, but basically part of
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: it was he uncovered this this alien race and it was.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: In short.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: There was one part in the podcast he said that
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: he was like he knew George George Bush. And when
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Bob speaks, it's with utter sincerity. It's with one hundred
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: percent either like he he believes what he's saying or
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: it's actually true. And he's like, yeah, well I was
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: in this room and George Bush was sat there, so
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and so was sat there. It was the counselor of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know thirty like the you know, the grand like
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: illumina above the illumini as people would think of it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And he said, and yeah, Gray Gray entered the room,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and you know, he just kind of like looked at
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: us and then he just went straight through the wall.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And Bob will just talk like that. Now. Yeah, here's
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the thing. It was the only podcast I've ever had
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: taken down. I've had a podcast, you know, I've had
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: like Strikes and Bad Boy Christopher talking about you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: how dare you talk about the medical narrative? But this
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: was the only one. It just disappeared overnight. I think
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I got a message from YouTube said we've taken down
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that one. And I didn't get a strike. I didn't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: get a strike, so I didn't you know, we weird.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Normally if they take could think Tomi in Black, you
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: know you're going to get a strike. So it's a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: fascinating area. Of course, David David Ike talked a lot
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: about reptilian humanoids, you know, reptile a gender, And I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: say quite rightly so, because it's a fascinating life. I'd
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: hate to live in a little bubble where I didn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: my mind wasn't able to contemplate concepts. Not necessary. I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: don't have to buy into them, but I can at
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: least talk about them. You know, talk about these theories
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't cost me anything, expands my mind. So fascinating era.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I will bring it back to what I was saying earlier,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and I've got to be carefully because I don't want to,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know, sound disparaging to either you or anyone else.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: But are you familiar with like the een the Sumerian gods.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Do you know delici those names?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Heard people talking about them on online, you know, say,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: on YouTube, and they're saying, yeah, these were like giants
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that roam the earth and they came down in the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: interbred with with with people. And so I go to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the scripture, David, and it says, and I'm totally paraphrasing here,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you won't find this if you go and look for it,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: because I can't remember it, but it was something like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you know, give me a name again, Anky for example,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and it was ANKI thus raised reigned for two hundred
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and seventy thousand years.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Well, in scripture everything.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: King list called the king list, it's called a Sumerian
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: king list. Yeah, but they have all these kings that
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: live for like thirty thousand years, forty thousand years, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: then suddenly it's just human, you know, really human reign lenks.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Just what I did, David, I did the numerology on it,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: though I did the reduction. So for example, if it
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was two hundred and seventy thousand years, that's two AD
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: seven is nine nine is the numeric value ascribed to
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you call it. It's like sacred mathematics. Yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a bit of a difficult one. The number nine you'll
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: find in everything.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: For example, numerology.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: You think, yeah, numerology. So number of the B six
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: sixty six six as six is twelve, add the six
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: is eighteen. So you add the one and the nine
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: one in the eight you get nine. So you got
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you below. You know, he shall have the mark on
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: his forehead in his hand. That is, forehead stands for
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: your thinking, your your pineal handstands for your actions in life.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: So if you're an unenlightened person and your pinel isn't
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: you know you haven't fired it up and entered the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: right hemisphere of the brain. I haven't gone east of Eden,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: or as Jesus would say, he hadn't passed your net
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: onto the other side of the boat. And if you
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: add up the fish they bought in that parable or
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: that that scripture, they caught something like two hundred and something.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: If you add the number of fish, it will come
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to nine again it so that's your below, your six
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: six sixes, you're nine. As you can't carbon your your earth,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: you've got earth, water, air, fire, ether, ether or net
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: as they called it in Kem, which was ancient Egypt.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And then in scripture, so you're unenlightened people living in earth,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: living in the material cell. For the six six six,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: they haven't fired the pineal, they're not operating with the hand,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: you know, they're not showing love, kindness, peace, empathy. And
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: then you've got the one hundred and forty four thousand,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: who shall ascend? I don't know what the scripture is,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: but it's like with the God of the Lamb or whatever.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Let's getting the revelations. I think people have sort of
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: tripped on that for a long time.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So you forget about that. It's sorry, I'm talking to
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: people at home there. You don't. Don't get into the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: weeds here. You're looking at the numbers one hundred and
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: forty four thousand. In numerology, it's nine so as above
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: so below, because what will you know? What will be
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in the macro will be in the micro. So you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: got the nine above and the nine below now in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the Sumarian text. And I'm not like massively, I'm not
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: like a Billy Carson on this. I'm I'm too busy,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: like you know, fixing my bathroom floor to get into
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. As much as i'd like, but
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: in the Sumerian text, you've got these kings that are reigning.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Like I say, for your friends, go and read the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: text yourself. Add do the numerology on the numbers. It's
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's the argument there is they're talking about universal consciousness.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: The question, then, David, I would pose, as a you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: humble scholar, is how many stories can you have going
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: on in a scripture? Is there a physical story like,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: for example, did a guy called Jesus exist? Or yes,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: sure as people say, or some people believed he was
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: called Thomas and Joshua. This kind of thing. Is that
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: one story that's been woven in then the kind of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: scriptural allegory, the numerology has been sort of kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: layered on tops or fused on top, so to speak.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: This is what I spend my time thinking about, because
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: if it was an either all scenario, then either you've
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: got these anky super you know, super beings.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: That it all.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You've got the hidden code the allegory if you am
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I making sense.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: So mostly yeah, it's not. Mathematics is not really my thing,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: and numerology is something I'm aware of, but I've never
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: really been drawn into that whole thing of seeing complex
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: patterns of numbers like it's it appeals to a certain
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: sort of person. Actually, I've met my many people.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's due Marcheria. That's something different. I think
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Jim Marcharia.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Is the.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah I've heard where they pay attention, Yeah, where they
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: ascribe numbers to letters, for example, so that this word
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: can be related to this and this and this. Right,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I think in scripture it's quite sort of simplistic. It's
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: one to nine, which relates to the ancient you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: ancient mathematics. Is they say that they didn't have a ten,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: did they in the olden deb that you know, in
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the ancients they have one to nine. And with those
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: nine that contingent you can build the fabric of the universe.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: So looking at sacred shapes, you've got a triangle. The
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: corners add up to the angles add up to one
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty degrees. So one add the eighties nine.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: If you take a square, you've got ninety add ninety
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: ad ninety two, seventy two add the seventies nine. It's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: just as you can probably tell Tell I find this
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: stuff fascinating. But David, back back to your book, So
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: is this stuff you've picked up over the course of
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: a lifetime or did you have to, you know, have
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a committed period of research to get to get this
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: book out.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I got into the Vikings in nineteen seventy three, which
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: is a while ago, and it was because I was
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: hiding in the library from the bullies.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I'm quite a big lad now, but I was quite
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: a small guy even at sixteen, and I could fight.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: But you know, fighting guys that are like a foot
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: taller than you it's not the best idea. So I
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: used to just hide out in the library. I ended
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: up becoming a real book worm. This wonderful librarian, missus Dodson,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: who just gave me cart blanche. She said, look, if
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: you want to get books, and I'll get them. So
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: she put a catalog in front of me and I'd say, really,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I can pick anything, and yeah, so I just everything Viking, everything,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Anglo Saxon, Roman Britain. I just loved the Dark Ages
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: and history of Britain basically. And she'd get these books
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: in and I'd read them. So when I left school,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I became a student of icelandic I bought myself a
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: linguophone course, which I've still.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Got his is.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I bought this in nineteen seventy six and it's still
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: got the old records in them. And my first book,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: which I bought nineteen seventy six. And yeah, now I
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: use digital versions, but I love this whole thing. And
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: anybody who's known me for a long time always says, oh,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: how's that Icelandic gardent. I always remember Duke I said
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that eccentric thing learning this language. Most people in Australia
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: don't even know where Iceland is. No, they do sort
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: of know more now, but it was actually only the
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: last I don't know, about four years. I found Paul
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Wallace and an Italian guy called Moro Biglino, both scholars
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: of ancient Hebrew and Greek. Because I had this background
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: as a I was actually a Christian minister missionary, and
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: it was a strange ministry. It was a ministry to
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: the counterculture, like I was. Me and heaps other people
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: who'd been hippies and surfers. Just something happened in the
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: early eighties and I joined this group and we were
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: sort of trying to convert our fellow hippies and surfeys
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: to Jesus.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: So I knew I know a lot about the Bible.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I studied at Heaps for a number of years, and
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: when I found Paul Wallace, I thought, this guy's not
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: a crackpot. He actually knows what he's talking about. More
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: listener thought, Yep, he really knows what he's talking about.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: And his approach to the Bible was to retranslate and
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: then find, oh, this word heaven actually means the sky,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: it means the stars. It doesn't mean some sort of
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: spiritual play. Yes, So I thought, I wonder if the Viking,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: you know, the Viking stories, have that. I was never
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: that interested in the myths, you know. I thought it
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: was sort of cool stories, but I didn't really like
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: them that much. I was more into just stories of
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Vikings on adventures, rating doing Viking things. And as I
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: got into it, suddenly I found the same sort of
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: stuff he was finding in this literature. And then I
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: got hooked. So the more I studied, the more I translated,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: the more I thought about it. I met people. I
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: met this professor in Iceland, true Email, who wrote a
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: book about the paranormal. He's like the greatest scholar in
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I think he's the greatest Norse scholar alive and a
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: really nice man. And he wrote a book about the
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: paranormal in the Sagas, and he doesn't talk about ancient
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: aliens or that that he talks about, you know, the
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: paranormal andct that in these old stories they treat unusual
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: powers and strange happenings as sort of normal, like you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: as if yeah, that's they just tell it in the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: midst of a story that's very pedestrian, everyday life, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: then suddenly somebody's doing magic or something like that. And yes,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I just discovered it for myself. And then I got
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: to know Paul Wallace through a friend, and like I said,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I'm in his latest book to Eden and Ningma, talking
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: about the Viking myths. And there's a connection between what
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: he's studying, which is in ancient Turkey Anatolia. So he's
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: in my book and I'm in his. But yeah, we're
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: onto something. I mean, I can talk really nerdy about
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: this and it's actually so much fun, you know, like
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: you were saying, I'm really like the way you're into numerology.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I'm into linguistics and which and arcane meanings and being
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: an artist for so many years. I'm really into the
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: unconscious mind, the subconscious, into like dream messages, non verbal messages.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I'm finding.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what actually just I'm going to come onto
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the to our other points we're going to talk about.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: But what actually are the vaking superpowers?
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Well, the ones that I talk about about these ancient
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: gyminoids are the ability to fly, the ability to stop aging.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's therapic called Idun's apples that keeps them
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: young when they stop taking it. There's a story about
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: how they turn really old, really fast.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: What's what's the need of apple?
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Was this goddess one of them who has these apples
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: that the gods the Acea have every day. And the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: word Asia it's a mysterious word. It sort of means
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the people of Asia. And they called Turkey and Anatolia
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: that area Asia, you know, ancient Troy, the Romans called
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: it Asia, and it's yeah, the apples are it's just
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: this therapy. So they're mortal. They actually die, but they
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: live very very long lives. So that's one of the superpowers.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: They have these energy weapons, like Thor has his hammer.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: That's a thing that's in the stories, and there's a
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: story that indicates it wasn't the only one that other
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: people had the same sort of power weapons and power
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: belts and power gloves, this sort of technological superpowers. You know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I go on at length about how they've got space
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: stations connected to the Earth, and this is all just
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: taking it out of the Viking stories, and you know,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: it seems that other worlds are connected. They're connected to
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: other home worlds where different beings live and you know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: races of people. But this is where the crossover happens.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: The Viking superpowers is these paranormal powers which humans have
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: said to have them as like wizards and seers and
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: people who can see the future do different things. But
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: these gods invert commas also have those powers.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: And they Odin.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: If we talk about Odin, whoever one tends to know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: the leader of these people, he had him and his
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: wife had speed on, which is the meaning its spile
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: comes is where we get spy from. It sort of
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: means the power of the ability to see to see
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: the future. And in the stories, it says that Odin
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: and his wife could see into the future and see
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: that they'd be famous in the North, so they moved
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: all their people from Turkey up into Europe and they
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: set up kingdoms up there. And the Vikings had incredible
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: martial arts like I've been. I've been a martial artist
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: since I was about nine, which is nineteen sixty seven.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: That's when i started training in boxing and jiu jitsu.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I've learned Chinese comfur for the last twenty eight years.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: They used to be a kickboxer in the ring in
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: the seventies and early eighties, and so I know a
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: bit about it and the Vikings just as not the
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: gods or anything. There's just a straight stories about Viking
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: fighters are often incredible, like they fight two weapons, they
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: cut people in half of one blow. One guy can
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: beat like thirty people. Some of these they're super warriors
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: who are basically like super confu masters fighting with Viking
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: age weapons. But they would fight like heaps of dudes.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: And there are definitely see no one's ever been able
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: to say where the Vikings learned all this stuff, but
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: you know they could throw some people could throw two
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: spears with accuracy, and you know that maybe the Northman. Yes,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: there's a scene in there where at the first when
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: they're all sort of you know, wolf warriers like berserkers,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: And then they're creeping up on this fortress and the
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: guy up on the fortress chucks a spear and the
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: main character scars Guard character catches it in flight, spins
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: around and throws it back straight through the guy. That's
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: straight out of one of the sagas. That's one of
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: the famous feats. This particular warrior can do catch spears
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: and flight throm straight back. Other people can. I'm king,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I could throw two spears at once with
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: accuracy and power. So they had this whole martial superpower
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: thing that's right through the stories, and in my next book,
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: the next book's going to be called Viking Superpower's way up.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Midguard and Midguard is like the home of the humans
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: as as guards the home of the gods of the Asia.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Mid Guard is where JR. Tolkien got Middle Earth. You know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: it's the same sort of idea, you know, the Lord
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: of the Rings and the Hobbit and all that. So
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Middle Earth is mid Guard. Basically God or God. It
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: means like a fortress and enclosure, even the sort of
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: a world or a land. So my next book is
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: going to be much more about actual human superpowers and
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: how the gods taught them and how they are influenced
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: by them. So that's yeah, that's what superpowers are according
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: And when you said in your notes how to develop
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: human superpowers? What what? What are we talking here?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Well, meditation practice of art. Like my theory and I
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: believe I'm correct, is that if you can find that
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: other mind in anything, any art, if you can find
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: a way to stop thinking, stop being an ego, stop
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: using the left side of the brain for one of
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: the better word. I'm more into front and back rather
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: than left and right. But the front of the minds
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: where the cerebral cortex is the the conscious mind, and
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: the rear of the brain's a complex so that the
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: lizard brain, the more ancient animal like parts of the brain,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: that's where the big mind is. So to develop superpowers
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: you need to firstly have faith. But me, yeah, you
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: have to somehow be convinced. You know, it might be
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: just seeing an exquisite drawing. I remember seeingthing, Oh my god,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: that is so goddamn incredible. I wish I could do that.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Martial artists, maybe you know, you go up against somebody
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: who think you're pretty good, pretty strong, and somebody, some skinny,
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: little old chin lady like happened to me, touches you
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: and go, oh god, like, what's going on? This is
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, there's nothing to it, and she's thrown
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: me around. That's you know, you need that experience. And
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: then I think that any if you follow devotedly any
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: high art, especially traditional Asian. But I think we've got
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of things in Europe to offer too. But
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: if you can get back to that brain, you'll find
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: you're going to apply that to anything you do. And
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: you know that's That's what I'm on about, is really
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: humans as Ai gets everywhere you quip us thinking heaps
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: faster than us, and instant access to all the data
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: ever put down. People say that humans will be obsolete, Well,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: unless they get rid of us, we won't be obsolete.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: But our those abilities. We've given it over to the
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: machine and it's run with a million miles. But these superpowers,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: these human things, the machine can't they can't do it
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: because they're not organic, they're not mortal. I might be
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: wrong in this. I've actually talked to chat GPT about this,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: about whether it has a soul, whether it's just as
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: real as I am and that sort of stuff, but
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's time for us to become wizards, you know,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: become superpowers. That's why I've got this sort of a
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: wizardy vibe going on here, because that's my thing, is
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: to not not be a wanker and say I'm a
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: wizardome come to save you. But I've got a lot
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: to offer my fellow humans because I've delved into this
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: fair bit and I'm good.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Sorry, David, just before I forget, what do you make
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: when you see these ancient kung fu masters or I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm thinking of one in particular that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: might have got like pushed in the media a lot.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: But he's the guy that he'll come up to you
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: and just touch you and you're like whoa, and you
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: know he knocks you back six paces. Is is that
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: an actual thing or is that kind of like that?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: You know that they're fake in it for the for
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the video.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, mostly it's fake. I'm sad to say that because
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know how people can bring themselves to do it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: But there's a weird phenomenon there where the students really
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: believe it so much they want it to be true.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: So much, they seem to lose the ability to just
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: go and no, you can't do it. I've been lucky.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: My teachers have shown me some wonderful things, but it's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: always touching. It's effortless power like power that doesn't quite
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: make sense. It's so full on. But they're also quite
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: happy to not be able to do it.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I've actually stopped masters at times when they've been doing
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: something incredible, and that's brought me to their attention. They've gone, wow,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: it's really good. How did you do that. I remember
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: this particular master, He's just an incredible guy, but I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: stopped him doing something. He said, how did you work
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: this out? And I said, well, I listened to you.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: You basically said don't do anything, like don't change, don't
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: don't try to do anything, don't try to have a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: new power. So I just put my arm up and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I thought, there's nobody there. He's not doing anything, and
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: he couldn't get past me. And the weirdest thing is
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: that I felt nothing, whereas he felt like I was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: like a rock wall. And that's what you experience in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: this ARTI practice. It's one of the most maligned to
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: come firstyles it's called wing chun. It's the most popular
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: because Bruce Lee was into it, so people ran with
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: it through the eighties to make a buck. You know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: everyone in the eighties who taught had a martial arts school,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: especially mixed martial art. They always said, oh, yeah, I
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: can teach you wing chun. But I actually am an
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: advanced wing chun player, as the Chinese say. You know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I'm a practitioner and I'm good at it, but there's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: not many people who can teach you it. You know,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I've learned from Chinese masters and amazing ausies who've been
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: doing it for forty years, who learned from the Chinese
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: masters and regularly trained with them. It's like it used
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: to be a secret art. It still is that, you know.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Most of it is just looks like it, but it's not.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: It's just another just a physical thing that everyone can do.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: But this is a mind art and it's about the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: back of the head, and it's about no ego. And
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: I sort of improved a lot by losing the desire
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: to be good at it. It's the weirdest thing. The
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: more I tried to be good, the less I became good,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: until I finally realized I just have to stop caring
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: whether I get humiliated by people, whether I can't do
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: it very well. I stopped caring about that, and then
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: I started to have experiences where people said, Wow, that's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: really great, and there's nothing really changed except I've just
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: stopped trying and without any more blah blah blah. What
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I'm saying is that once you can get into the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: other side of the brain, it takes over. And Bruce
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Lee said famously when I hit, I don't hit, it
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: hits all by itself. And what he's talking about is
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: that I is the ego of the conscious mind, it
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: is the subconscious of the unconscious. And when that it hits,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what you know and the other person knows.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: It's it's easy to mock people just think, oh bullshit.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: It's like seeing those guys is never forced down. They
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: sort of do a great disservice to real come through
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: doing that stuff.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: But I got a brilliant.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I got this thing because I'm going up through the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: beltsing kickboxing really yeah, yeah, I love it. I love yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not so massively enamored with kickboxing per se,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: but I just love the fact that that I'm doing
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: martial art at fifty five years old, and you know
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the alternative is watching Netflix. So I consider that a real,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: real win.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, a guy like you has been a commando.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: You've always been very, very physical, and you've got the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: sort of body set up that you've made over your lifetime.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm a very strong, fit guy. I'm sixty seven,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: and most fifty year olds, I may seem not quite
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: as vigorous as me. Of a rarity, but I set
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: it up. I've never stopped doing stuff.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: I've always trained, always pushed myself because I just like
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: to be good at things and I like to feel that.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: You know, my issue is drink.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: When I go there and we're you know, we're spiring,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: or we're going through the moves if we can call
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: a movie, you know, jab cross hook, uppercut, Yeah, you know,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: snapkick whatever. It might be the Superman, which always makes
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: all my family. We go to the same club, so
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: we all half at the same things. Superman. It's Superman
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: looks It's exactly folks, It's exactly how as it sounds.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: It's it's leaping across your opponent like Superman. And it
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: is an actual move in.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: I think I know it.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: But my issue, David is like I'm fifty five. I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: don't have anything to prove to anyone, and I'd never
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: lived my life like that, contrary to you know, I'm
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: looking at climbing Everest. It will be my next adventure.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: And someone said to me, someone said, Chris is really dangerous.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? You've got nothing to prove,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: And it just reminded me of like how I used
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: to be twenty years ago, when I would have probably
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: done it to prove something. Now I don't prove nothing
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: to no one. I just do the things I want
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: to do in life, and ninety nine percent of them
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: people will never get to hear about. But what I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: were getting back to is the people in my club
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: when you're doing these exercises, Jesus Christ. They when you're sparring,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: they're punching as hard as they can and kicking as
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: hard as they can. And like I had to say
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: something once, I almost almost lost my rag. I was
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: literally in. I said to the guy, dude, go a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: bit easy, will you? I said, I paid sixty pounds
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: for an Atlantic rowing boat, and I'm rowing across the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Atlantic next week. I can't afford to lose sixty thousand
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: pounds because you put me in hospital. And he was like, oh,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm like, well, don't be sorry, Like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: why the fuck are you kicking me? So I don't
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: get it. I don't know if they're just really keen,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: but I do get I do find in him SNAr
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: as people kind of like the matcho comes out and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: it's not even the blokes, as you know, the girls
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: are like it as well. And either I've become a
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: bit of a sissy in my old age or people
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: are really out to like prove himself. And I'm like,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: this is just training. We're just training.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Have you got the teacher?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: The teacher shouldn't let your teacher or your sense or
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: whatever you call him, shouldn't be letting you get hammn.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: It's it doesn't really prove anything because it's so artificial.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: I had this guy trying to get me to Spa
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: with him on a ship and then a cruise in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: alask year and this guy is huge. I mean I'm
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: six foot and you know, sixteen star and this guy
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: was probably six foot eight and far out really built,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: you know, like unusual for such a tall guy. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: he was a kai kashinkai, I think, really hard style
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Japanese full contact sport. And he was saying, you know,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: you winked and guys, you know, whimps and you don't
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: spa and blaody blah, and I'm like, yeah, whatever on
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: the whimp that's it. Yep, no worries, mate, I don't
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: want to spa. And so one day he just attacked me,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: and you know, he wasn't really trying to slam me,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: but he came from the side and I don't remember
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: what he exactly did. I think he just threw to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: a punch and I just caught it. And all I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: did was what our style teacher is the wooden dummy.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: You know, you always see as sort of a cool
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: comfany thing that actually teaches to fight our way, and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: our way is a kick and two strikes at the
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: same time. We don't go one, two, three, four, five,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: We go bland. You know, high and low could be
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: too high, High and low and a kick. I love it,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: and we do it all the time, you know, And
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: I ain't on the dummy a lot. So this guy
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: comes at me and without thinking I just spun and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: went boom, and I didn't actually hit him. I just
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: touched him, But this great giant of a guy bounced
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: and it felt like that sort of power. I'm talking
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: about that it because it happened faster than I could think.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: I just said, by that, And we have this thing
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: where we trained to feel as if our torso is
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: like a mountain that's immovable. And he came back to
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: me and said, wow, that's that's not what I expected.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: He said, I didn't know I expected, but I thought
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: you'd try to block and then strike or whatever. He said,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: I just bounced off you like nothing, and I said,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: yeah you did. He said, I felt like I just
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: hit a wall. Said, well, that's what we're about, you know,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: that's what we trained to do. And we don't spar
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: because sparring means losing contact. You know. Sparring means in
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: out it out, Whereas the way we're trained, when I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: go in, it's on, and I don't really want you
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: to be standing for very long, so I'll cut your
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: legs out with a kicker hook kick or cracking the nuts.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: But I'm also just going on power hitting in the chin.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: We use open palm. Mostly we only use the fist
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: to strike soft parts of the body. And yeah, I
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: mean that guy never came near me again. We're friends,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: but he stopped giving me shit about Kung Thu's wet.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: He was like, what happened? I don't understand that. His
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: reaction was sort of like lightning. And that's you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: Bruce Lee always said I do this in the movies
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: to look cool, but if you saw how I really fight,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: you'd be surprised. And that I know exactly what he's saying,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: because when Chun is a real Hong Kong, close up,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: crowded place of where we can I can strike with
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: full power in an inch, and it's it's not just
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: a trick, it's actually boom. It's like you just drop
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: a huge bag of flower on somebody. You know it
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: pierces them because it's so empty and this other mind,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: it's not. It's a very high level, right, and I
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: can't always get there, but that's what keeps me going
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: because I know where to go to this high level.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: But so what you're doing, I personally I wouldn't get
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: in the ring because even though I'm pretty confident in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: my art, I've had multiple concussions in my life from
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: fights and falls and all sorts of stuff. And you know,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: I was worn many years ago by a lawyer. Actually,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: he said, you've had way too many concussions. If you
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: get another one, you could just die on the spot.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: I advise you don't play footy or get in a fight,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: to do anything where you likely get hit hard in
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: the head, because that might be the end. So I
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: took it seriously, you know, And I've got nothing to prove.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: People mock our art. Oh you guys, blah blah blah,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: but you couldn't deal with an MMA fighter or get
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: in the ring. And I think, I don't really know,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: and I don't really care. I do it for my
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: own pleasure, and you know, maybe one day it'll save
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: my life or save somebody else's life. But I know
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: it's real, that it's that it that I want to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: find that it. You know, I don't hit it hits
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: to all by itself. So that's what I'm saying to
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: you is I would I would back out of that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: if they're hammering you, because it's not proving anything for
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: a guy like you. To me, I think you're an
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: absolute legend. I'm at commandos in my ancestry. You know,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: I fought the Second War fighting the Japanese. I'm impressed
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: by commandos. I'm not impressed by being knuckles fighters or
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: that sort of knucklehead stuff.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just worry for them because basically my fists, David,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: have registered as lethal weapons. Yeah, I have a license
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: to thrill and I'm not afraid to use it. But no, no,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you fascinate you talk about Hong Kong.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: So I worked on the nightclub door in Hong Kong
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: with a chap called Mike Lambert. And one time I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: rocked up to work. It was a club called Joe
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Bananas and I said, Hey, Mike, what you've been up
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: to today? He said, I've been having lunch with Jean
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Claud van Dam really and he just says it like
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: like that, and then he, you know, like looks away.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Me, tell me more, please. He said, yeah. He said
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: he's in town at the moment, staying at the Peninsula Hotel.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Peninsula is like the plushiest most colonial hotel. It's on
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: Jim Sarchoi, the Peninsula side in Hong Kong. He said, Yeah,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I've been in the Peninsula Hotel, having lunch with him
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: this afternoon, and so I said, how come he said, Well,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a martial artist, aren't I? He said? An actor?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: He said, but he said, what do you see in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the film scripts? That's not that's not fighting. I'm like,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: how come tell me more? He said, Well, he said,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: for example, in the film, you'll do a leg kick
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: and it would be this big, high, sweeping leg kick
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: for dramatic effect. He said, you never do that in
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: a real fight, because they just grab your leg and
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: smack you in the nuts. Then you be out, and
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and I loved it. The first I was in a
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: gym in Moncock, the most heavily populated area on the planet,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: and Bruce Lee came on the TV, the big TV,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: back when they were big TVs. This is in the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: days before LCD screens and stuff, and everyone all these
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: massive tryads with these huge, sprawling tattoos. Everyone stopped. The
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: whole gym just stopped, and everyone's stared. It's it's in
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: my book there eating smoke, folks, if people want to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: learn more. But everyone stopped, and just that was it.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: He was a god in Hong Kong, you know, absolute
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Goden you know, quite rightly, so.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely well, the most senior man in our style is
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: in his aadies now names Sebuck, which means Siafu's big brother.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: We didn't know this stuff, but Sebuck Frederick Moe and
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: he actually started with Yip Marn's top student that was
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: Chushong Tin in nineteen fifty five and he's practiced wing
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: chun since then. He's a He's a great guy, lovely man,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: very Chinese man, but real nice fella, funny guy, great calegrapher,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: and I mean, I consider him the very best wing
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: chun kungfur guy in the world, without a doubt. And
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: he told me one day that Bruce is still his hero.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: He said, you know, I saw Bruce crossing the road
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: one day when I was young, and you know, it
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: was just the best day of my life. And my
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Seafu actually went to school with Bruce and trained with
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: him in Yip Mahn's school. So yeah, and Bruce Lee.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: I love Bruce. From nineteen sixty seven. It's when I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: started martial arts. Was literally watching Kato and I said
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: to my dad, can you teach me to fight like this?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: And dad said, yeah, Well, your dad was a Western
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: boxer policeman. He knew what they call police jiu jitsu,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: so he taught me all that stuff and I used
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: to just copy Kato. And then in the seventies, mad
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: keen fan of Bruce's movies before we had video or anything,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: used to go these movies every weekend without fail. See
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: each movie, you know, ten times, wait for the next one.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: Bruce is big in my life. I was going to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: say something, you know, you know what my favorite martial
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: art would be if I could get away with a
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: very favorite way to fight hand to hand?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Is it the commando double punch?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: It's pretty close, It's that's something like that. Is the
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: SAS close quarter battle with the two pistols, Well, it
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: punched them and double tap. To me, that is exactly
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: the best way to fight.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: If I could fight with two pistols like the Phantom,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: go into the fight, I could do one hundred guys.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: You know, like it's the first time I read that.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: You know, I obviously I wasn't in the SAS, but
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: I've got a paramilitary background, and I know I went
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: through a stage reading a lot of SAS stuff, as
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of people do. And when I read that
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: I went, Oh, that is goddamn brilliant, Like why bother
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: about you know, becoming a perfect mass marksmen from a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: distance when you can just charge in and hit them
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: that fire, you know, like that's the perfect way to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: fight with a pistol. And haven't I was a policeman
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: for a few years and I was always out in
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: the dark on foot or in cars, and we were
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: real coppers back then. Brisbane was quite a wild city
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: and we dealt with some pretty hard boys. And I
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: never shot anybody, but it was always up close, you know,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: as you know, shit gets real close. They anybody is
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: good and a baddie doesn't let you see him coming.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: And my greatest skill is that I am very street
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: wise and whenever I go a red light district, not
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: that I'm going there for you know what, but I
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: sometimes you're just like in Sydney King's Cross, you have
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: to be there for some reason. I've had, you know,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: street girls, and people say just come up to me
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: and say, wow, you're really on, Like why are you
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: so on? And I said, I don't know. It's just
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: the way I'm training your clock and everything. Aren't you
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: let us see it?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: It's just when you're on the streets all the time.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: And I know you know about this. When you're in military,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: you you're trying to never fully relax. You're always scanning.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm still now, you know, thirty something years later,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: I still always read.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I always look down when I'm on the street in
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: case someone's dropped to tenor.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: A tenor.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: A ten pound note.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, do you know there's no trees in Hong Kong,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, because everyone's kung fu fighting. They chop
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: them all down. David, this has been absolutely wonderful. The
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: only reason i have to bring it to a close
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: is I've got a certain very special person I've got
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: to go and pick up in twenty minutes time, and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I've got to drive there. So let's have another chat soon.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I wish you all the best with your book, which
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get on the screen again, Viking Superpowers
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Way of Ascard. I will put it on my reading list,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: but I do have a bit of a backlog at
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: the moment because I keep meeting such interesting, interesting people.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: But stay on the line so I can thank you
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: properly social media wise, do you want to we will
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: obviously put your will put a link for the book
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: below the video, folks. It said, what's the best place
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: for people for people to find you.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Facebook? I'm Viking Superpowers. Instagram. There's not a lot there,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: but I'm Viking Superpowers. And my kids are getting me
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: into TikTok Ca. They say that that's the place to be,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to start making Viking Superpowers short TikTok's
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: about all this stuff and see how that goes. But
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: anything but any medium, if you look for Viking suitervers,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: you might find something. My YouTube channels the big one
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: at the moment.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: And you took to You took a trip to Iceland,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: didn't you.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, when you come back, when you come
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: back on the show next time, let's have a chat
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: about that, because I drove to Iceland. If you can
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: drive to an island in the middle of the North Sea,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: but I drove there in a vintage Swedish Army truck
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: of an old Volvo. Oh really yeah, And then we
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: camped outside the truck and drove around for two weeks.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: And wow, I feel very fortunate in this life, David,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: because what an absolutely fascinating place.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a mate over there, a lady who
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: I've been riding to since the seventies, and she's got
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: a full drive. She said to me, I know you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Australians are to fit us as Icelanders, but to get it,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: got to get bloody fit because I'm going to have
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: you walking over mountains and down valleys.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: And she did like she was. She was a goer.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: And I actually was pretty fit when I got there,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: but I was training. But it was mind blowing country.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Did you go to the first Viking Parliament? Yeah, that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: little sort of gorge, that little ravine, Yes, spent. We
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: got there at like ten thirty and I was still
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: light and at midnight you could still just see and
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: it was just cool. It was spooky on stage. I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: thought there was some trolls. I really gave me a
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: bit of a start. It was just some young drunken fellas.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: It was super cool being there.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Right, David's down the line. So I can thank you properly.
• 1:24:58
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