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Jordan Walker Announces Home Run Derby Participation, McGreevy Still Rolling, Pallante Appreciation · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

0:06
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.
0:10
Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynnon who is
0:14
Speaker 1: in a secret location with a lot of noise in
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Speaker 1: the background and a cleaned up beard. Gentlemen, you both
0:20
Speaker 1: look great, so let's get right to it. Breaking news.
0:24
Speaker 1: Jordan Walker, who has been through a lot and is
0:27
Speaker 1: now a National League golf star, has confirmed that he
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Speaker 1: will participate in the Home Run Derby. I'll start with you, Lance.
0:36
Speaker 1: Is that a good thing for Walker to do at
0:39
Speaker 1: this juncture? Absolutely every kid streams to hit him the
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Speaker 1: home run Derby. I was going over the other day
0:45
Speaker 1: watching Big Mac hit Pauls. I don't even know where
0:48
Speaker 1: he was hitting him in Boston years ago, over the
0:52
Speaker 1: Green Monster, over the Highway, old sic to sign or whatever.
0:56
Speaker 1: I remember getting all that. Griffy had his backwards hat on,
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Speaker 1: so he gets to do that. That's every kid's stream.
1:02
Speaker 1: So I'm all for it. Go get your home runs,
1:05
Speaker 1: enjoy it. I mean, that's what the game's all about.
1:08
Speaker 2: You want your guys that have twenty plus home runs
1:10
Speaker 2: in the All Star Game, and he deserves it.
1:14
Speaker 1: Now, there are some guys who said that their swing
1:17
Speaker 1: got a little out of whack by being in that. Kyle,
1:20
Speaker 1: what does that say about where Jordan Locker is mentally
1:23
Speaker 1: that he's going to jump right into this.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's something where he is just
1:29
Speaker 3: in a good spot physically and mentally. I mean, it's
1:32
Speaker 3: something that he's probably wanted to do, like Lance said,
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Speaker 3: And I mean, one thing that is interesting to me
1:37
Speaker 3: is that there are people that are fans or front
1:40
Speaker 3: office that you know, we talked about Jordan Walker getting
1:42
Speaker 3: more launch on the ball and not hitting hard line,
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Speaker 3: driving hard ground balls and driving the ball well. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I feel like most guys when they go to the
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Speaker 3: home run they they come out of it hitting pop
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Speaker 3: ups and lazy five balls. Maybe Jordan Walker comes out
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Speaker 3: of it taking his launch angle up a couple of degrees.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think it's gonna be fun. I've seen
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Speaker 3: young guys go out there. It seems like everybody goes
2:03
Speaker 3: out there and enjoys themselves. But the guys that are
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Speaker 3: seasoned and have a little bit of experience probably have
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Speaker 3: a little bit of an advantage because of you know,
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Speaker 3: actually going for homers at times and understanding what the
2:16
Speaker 3: derby is. You know you've seen a few young guys
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Speaker 3: go out there and hit one or two because it's
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Speaker 3: just a little bit nerve wracking and a little tough
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Speaker 3: on him. But I hope Jordan Walker are the best man.
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Speaker 3: I hope we can see him hit some balls into
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Speaker 3: the upper deck of Citizens Bank and have some fun.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm looking forward to it. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about another guy who I think is underappreciated.
2:36
Speaker 1: Lance Andre Polante has ten wins, which is tied for
2:41
Speaker 1: second in all of baseball three point six to oh
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Speaker 1: E Ra. He's been going deeper into games this year
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Speaker 1: than he has in the past. What do you see
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Speaker 1: him from Polante? And are we not giving him as
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Speaker 1: as a respective fan base enough love for what he's
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Speaker 1: done this season.
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Speaker 2: I think the sit down so his career makes you
3:02
Speaker 2: not appreciate what he's becoming. To be honest with you,
3:05
Speaker 2: early on in his career, you know there's an open guy.
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Speaker 2: Starter came back up, pitched really well out of the rotation,
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Speaker 2: we got a chance, and then last year had your
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Speaker 2: your your second year.
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Speaker 1: WOA.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of the same thing that that Libby's going
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Speaker 2: through right now. So it takes time in this game
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Speaker 2: to become what you're capable of, and these guys are
3:26
Speaker 2: getting the opportunity and you're seeing that third full year
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Speaker 2: of starting really figuring it out. And it takes guys
3:34
Speaker 2: time to do that. So I'm hoping Libby's on the
3:37
Speaker 2: same path in this in general where next year we
3:39
Speaker 2: talk about him the same way the steps that he's
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Speaker 2: taken like Blante's taken. So Blante has been counted out,
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Speaker 2: you know, not given opportunities, been shuffled around this and that.
3:51
Speaker 2: And when you see guys finally do what they're what
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Speaker 2: they know that they're capable of, and bringing people wrong
3:56
Speaker 2: and and becoming a bona fide star in the major leagues,
4:01
Speaker 2: it's awesome. And you know, we all love Dre in
4:03
Speaker 2: our own way. Drey is a special creature, but he's
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Speaker 2: figuring out he wants to be good and he's he's
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Speaker 2: starting to become somebody that can rely on every day
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Speaker 2: and that's a big, big plus for him and it's
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Speaker 2: huge for his future.
4:17
Speaker 1: And Kyle, He's got at least six innings in four
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Speaker 1: out of his last five starts. He is doing everything
4:24
Speaker 1: that Cardinals could ask from him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think today. You know, we were
4:29
Speaker 3: texting a little bit before this. I think a good
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Speaker 3: start from Dre is important. You know, we've had one
4:33
Speaker 3: starter or one primary pitcher get past five innings in
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Speaker 3: the last seven or eight days. So the bullpen's a
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Speaker 3: little tax and there's no break coming, you know, the
4:42
Speaker 3: Atlanta Braves come to town here and we finish up
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Speaker 3: with the Braves at home, and I think it's a
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Speaker 3: pretty important stretcher in the next four games, including today,
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Speaker 3: So and it's harder to do with a tax bullpen,
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Speaker 3: and especially a tax bullpen that just saw these hitters.
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Speaker 3: So the advantage goes to the offense in this situation
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Speaker 3: a little bit as the hitters get more looks. But
5:02
Speaker 3: back to Dre, I feel like most pitchers that are
5:06
Speaker 3: starters and relievers are in this bucket too. If you're
5:09
Speaker 3: not a number one or number two, and pet's how
5:11
Speaker 3: people look at you. You are looked at as kind
5:14
Speaker 3: of dispensable and replaceable whenever you start to have a
5:17
Speaker 3: bad stretch. That's just kind of how it goes. Unfortunately,
5:21
Speaker 3: I went through it a little bit in Minnesota, even
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Speaker 3: after being you know, a first round pick and kind
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Speaker 3: of looked at as a certain way in the organization,
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Speaker 3: and then when I didn't become the bona fide ace
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Speaker 3: or the number one or the number two starter, if
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Speaker 3: I started to have a bad stretch, I was like,
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Speaker 3: all right, we got to get onto somebody else. And
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Speaker 3: I get it, I understand, But I mean, I think
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Speaker 3: Dre's kind of fallen in that a little bit is
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Speaker 3: where because he hasn't had a three three or a
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Speaker 3: three six every single year to cement himself in this spot,
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Speaker 3: He's going to go through some criticism and go through
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Speaker 3: some times where the front office or the fans might,
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Speaker 3: you know, give him a little bit of a hard time.
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Speaker 3: So really happy for him. He's been exactly what the
5:58
Speaker 3: Cardinals needed out of him. And I would guess if
6:01
Speaker 3: you sat down with Hims him McGreevy, those two guys are,
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Speaker 3: you know, over and above exceeding the expectations and doing
6:09
Speaker 3: way more than the Cardinals needed them to do. Even
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Speaker 3: so that's been a good sign for them.
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Speaker 1: So the Cardinals celebrating McGreevy.
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Speaker 2: Comes with how that comes in Saint Louis right, averaged
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Speaker 2: like twelve thirteen wins in a three four of my
6:22
Speaker 2: first six plus years in Big leagues and they wanted
6:24
Speaker 2: me out. So some people just you know, you're not
6:27
Speaker 2: the media darlings, and then bush you away. It's just
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Speaker 2: how it works.
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Speaker 3: Well, the media does that. You know, the media can
6:32
Speaker 3: really do that. The media can shift the narrative on players,
6:35
Speaker 3: and I've seen it happen time and time again. I
6:38
Speaker 3: was actually called the Donald Trump of baseball at one
6:40
Speaker 3: point because I was told that I wasn't coachable by
6:43
Speaker 3: somebody in Minnesota, right, And this was kind of like
6:46
Speaker 3: before Donald Trump kind of became who he was. This
6:48
Speaker 3: was like before twenty eighteen. So like that's what I
6:51
Speaker 3: was called by one of the media members. And it's
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Speaker 3: like they can change the narrative. I've seen it happen.
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Speaker 1: Let me say this, Vince Lynn never had a jersey
7:02
Speaker 1: on sale in the team's store. They had jerseys, but
7:05
Speaker 1: never a jersey. And I don't know there's the media
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Speaker 1: that did that. But you turn thirteen in twenty twelve,
7:11
Speaker 1: I's the only All Star member not to have an
7:12
Speaker 1: All Star jersey in the Deep store. So everyone wonders why.
7:16
Speaker 1: I'm it's pretty awesome. You guys kicked me in the
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Speaker 1: sack from the gitgo, So why would not be built.
7:22
Speaker 1: That is so great. All right. McGreevy had a birthday yesterday.
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Speaker 1: The team celebrated by doing something that hadn't done. They
7:29
Speaker 1: gave him some run support. He won six and a
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Speaker 1: third one run ball. Here's my question. So the Cardinals
7:36
Speaker 1: pushed back his start a couple of days. They went
7:39
Speaker 1: through all kinds of transactional gymnastics. That's a flyover. I'm
7:43
Speaker 1: gonna go to Kyle on this. That was at sixteen flyover.
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Speaker 1: So they went through all these different moves transactionally so
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Speaker 1: that they could give McGreevy another day, and Polante another
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Speaker 1: day and the doubleheader. You know, I didn't have their
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Speaker 1: best pictures. It was a risk that Ali and hain
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Speaker 1: knew they had to take to keep those guys in arrested.
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Speaker 1: It didn't work out the way the Cardinals had opened
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Speaker 1: in terms of winning one of those two games. Kyle,
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Speaker 1: But is it worth it to keep those two guys
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Speaker 1: who have been so good this season in a good place? Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I look back at the transactions for July and it was,
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Speaker 3: you know, a pitcher in, pitcher out, pitcher and pitcher out.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there was a single position player on it.
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Speaker 3: So Yeah, man, they're they're kind of going through it.
8:30
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's kind of part of this starters
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Speaker 3: kind of not being you know, six seven innis consistently.
8:37
Speaker 3: You know, Lanson's mentioned it before on this podcast. One
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Speaker 3: of the worst feelings as a starting pitcher when you
8:42
Speaker 3: go two or three an's and it start and then
8:44
Speaker 3: the guy that cleans up after you, he's possibly the
8:47
Speaker 3: one getting sent down for somebody new and there is
8:49
Speaker 3: there's no worse.
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Speaker 4: Feeling than that.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think you have to do
8:54
Speaker 3: that for some of these guys. You know, they gave
8:56
Speaker 3: Dustin May an extra day. You have a little bit
8:59
Speaker 3: of depth down there to do that. You know, a
9:00
Speaker 3: hundred Dobbins is a guy that can come up and
9:02
Speaker 3: make starts and throw really well. So they have the
9:06
Speaker 3: ability to do it. So when you have options for guys,
9:10
Speaker 3: you just tend to use them, and you tend to
9:12
Speaker 3: do the best for the overall seasonal health of these guys.
9:17
Speaker 3: And the Cardinals have been fortunate with that health. So
9:19
Speaker 3: excuse me, I'm not going to give them too much black. Yeah,
9:22
Speaker 3: I'd love to not see you know, get swept in
9:25
Speaker 3: a double header and kind of you know, have a
9:27
Speaker 3: bullpen game or do something like that. But sometimes you
9:30
Speaker 3: got to do those things and the overall overall picture,
9:34
Speaker 3: grand picture of it, but you know they're in the
9:35
Speaker 3: middle of a twenty two games in twenty two days.
9:38
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a lot. So if you can
9:40
Speaker 3: move back a starter and you feel like it's going
9:41
Speaker 3: to help them going forward here, you know in this
9:44
Speaker 3: next four or five games, you know, a good start
9:48
Speaker 3: from Plante right now would really reward that decision today
9:51
Speaker 3: and then really set this bullpen up for having a
9:53
Speaker 3: couple of shorter days and a good weekend series against
9:57
Speaker 3: the Breams.
9:58
Speaker 1: And keeping this the orders that have been doing it
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Speaker 1: as healthy as they can. The Cardinals have done a
10:04
Speaker 1: good job of managing that's starting rotation, keeping them out
10:07
Speaker 1: of harm's way. We're gonna take a quick break here.
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11:14
Speaker 1: In game two of Tuesday's doubleheader, Brian Torres, a position
11:18
Speaker 1: play was called into pitch because the game is getting
11:21
Speaker 1: out of hand. Never a good thing when your team
11:24
Speaker 1: has to go with a position player pitching. We get
11:27
Speaker 1: that he threw two scoreless innings. He said someone threw
11:31
Speaker 1: them told him how to throw a quick cutter before
11:33
Speaker 1: he went out there, and he did well, throwing forty
11:38
Speaker 1: fifty miles an hour, small sample size. My curiosity about
11:43
Speaker 1: that was everyone seems to be having fun because you
11:46
Speaker 1: have to do a position players pitching as a pitcher.
11:50
Speaker 1: When you see that lance, what are you thinking because
11:52
Speaker 1: you've been through that where suddenly your third basement is
11:55
Speaker 1: out there on the mountain or whatever it may be.
11:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, judy base because they're usually your pomecasts. It's always
12:02
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth man ish a guy on the team
12:05
Speaker 2: to make sure they don't get her. But I mean
12:08
Speaker 2: as a let's say, if you're the starter who gives it,
12:11
Speaker 2: gives it up that day to make that makes a
12:13
Speaker 2: position player pitch, you made it. If you're the team
12:15
Speaker 2: that's winning and the other position players out there are
12:18
Speaker 2: having a good time, so be it. I've been a
12:21
Speaker 2: part of it, or position player guys feeling hurt because
12:23
Speaker 2: somebody hit an on run off of them. So you
12:26
Speaker 2: know it can go any way you look at it. Really,
12:28
Speaker 2: So if you're winning the game, it's fun. If you're
12:31
Speaker 2: losing the game and you're in a good stretch and
12:32
Speaker 2: it just kind of happens. It's fun if you're a
12:35
Speaker 2: season long of a sucking and it happens quite a bit.
12:39
Speaker 2: It's a mistery. So there's so many different ways to
12:41
Speaker 2: look at it. But it can be fun for the
12:43
Speaker 2: fans because you can get three outs throwing any way possible.
12:48
Speaker 2: It's what that briefs.
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Speaker 1: Was it fun for you, Kle when you saw a
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Speaker 1: position player pitching.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard people talk about in you know,
12:58
Speaker 3: CBA negotiations, don't want to see position players at all.
13:01
Speaker 3: You know, you have to use a pitcher only.
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it was always fun.
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Speaker 3: I think the interesting part of it was always being
13:10
Speaker 3: on the side that has the position player pitching. Because
13:13
Speaker 3: you're in the dugout, you're trying not to smile, you're
13:16
Speaker 3: trying not to enjoy yourself because you're probably getting your
13:18
Speaker 3: tailkicked a little bit. But at the same time, I
13:21
Speaker 3: feel like when you look down and your manager is
13:25
Speaker 3: enjoying the moment as much as they can and it's
13:27
Speaker 3: not straight faced mad and upset at the world, I
13:31
Speaker 3: think that can really kind of loosen the guys up
13:32
Speaker 3: a little bit. Let's face it, not every day is
13:34
Speaker 3: going to be your best day. Every now and then
13:37
Speaker 3: you're going to give up a bunch of runs as
13:38
Speaker 3: a pitching staff, and you're going to find yourself in
13:40
Speaker 3: a hole. And a position player goes out there and
13:43
Speaker 3: eats two innings and gives up one hit, and it's
13:46
Speaker 3: really coming in the locker room talking about how easy
13:48
Speaker 3: pitching it. So that's normally what I dealt with. The
13:51
Speaker 3: position player comes in and says, see, guys, it's that easy,
13:54
Speaker 3: and then all the pitchers kind of get upset. But
13:58
Speaker 3: a couple of instants, I thought, cherry hitting left handed
14:01
Speaker 3: people think that that makes a mockery of it. The
14:03
Speaker 3: mockery and the joke is already that a position position
14:06
Speaker 3: player is having to pitch. So for a guy to
14:09
Speaker 3: go up there and hitt left handed and hit the
14:10
Speaker 3: ball three hundred and sixty feet is awesome. The goal
14:13
Speaker 3: here is to get the game over and not use
14:16
Speaker 3: another starter. So why not go up there and see
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Speaker 3: what you can do left handed or something without getting hurt,
14:21
Speaker 3: or send a pitcher up there to swing and not
14:23
Speaker 3: get hurt. I don't know a good story that I
14:26
Speaker 3: did have though, was Trevor Poof One time We're facing
14:30
Speaker 3: the Tigers and Andrew Romine came on to pitch for
14:34
Speaker 3: the Tigers, and Trevor Proof feasted on Andrew Romind. I
14:38
Speaker 3: don't know if it was a two or three of homer,
14:40
Speaker 3: but absolutely statued him and pimped the home run off
14:44
Speaker 3: a position player, and he really caught some flak for
14:47
Speaker 3: the team from his own team US for really showing
14:54
Speaker 3: up another position player and really enjoying that homer a
14:57
Speaker 3: little bit. So it can be fun, but like I said,
15:01
Speaker 3: it's definitely a whole lot more fun whenever you're the
15:03
Speaker 3: side that is hitting against the position player.
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Speaker 1: It's a situation forced on everyone. Try to have one.
15:09
Speaker 1: I saw Yati, who is as locked in as anyone
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Speaker 1: pitching in a game and giggling and then after the
15:15
Speaker 1: game tried to downplay it, but he kept the ball
15:18
Speaker 1: that first out he got. He kept the ball for
15:21
Speaker 1: his man cave or shelf of mementos. Can lance can
15:27
Speaker 1: a picture of standard pitcher like yourself who probably grew
15:31
Speaker 1: up being the best athlete player on any team they
15:34
Speaker 1: were on. Can they go and play short stop or
15:37
Speaker 1: second base? Can pitchers return the favor and take over
15:41
Speaker 1: for a position player. I've seen it, just not very often.
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Speaker 1: Can they?
15:47
Speaker 2: Yes, Now the question is will they be any good footballs?
15:50
Speaker 4: Hit two?
15:50
Speaker 2: That's the question they had to ask. I would say
15:54
Speaker 2: right field, left field, first base, probably in the infield
15:57
Speaker 2: position you can get away with, and then yeah, that's
16:01
Speaker 2: pretty much it. But if you're saying, hey, I need
16:03
Speaker 2: you to go play a quality short soup, No, but
16:06
Speaker 2: every position players black pitching, and you have a pitcher
16:09
Speaker 2: at shorts up you know by that time, but it
16:11
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. So I guess that you know they'll catch
16:13
Speaker 2: things that are hit at them for the most part,
16:15
Speaker 2: So yeah, spend A pitcher can build a position to
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Speaker 2: fit if they need a.
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Speaker 1: Jim Lance looks like the first baseman to meet, Kyle.
16:23
Speaker 1: What position could you jump in in a pinch as
16:26
Speaker 1: a pitcher if your team needed you to play a position.
16:31
Speaker 3: Give me in the outfield. They'll be fine. Parashagged a
16:34
Speaker 3: lot in my day. There were times where I was
16:37
Speaker 3: probably you know, this is maybe a little a little
16:40
Speaker 3: not quite humble, but I think I might have been
16:42
Speaker 3: the third best outfielder on a couple of teams that
16:44
Speaker 3: I was on, So yeah, I would have. I probably
16:49
Speaker 3: would have selfishly paid a lot of money to get
16:51
Speaker 3: a couple of big beginnings in the outfield. That was
16:54
Speaker 3: definitely a career goal of mine to go out there
16:57
Speaker 3: and when a position players pitching a hoopful of shagg
16:59
Speaker 3: at fly. But if you're asking me to play any
17:03
Speaker 3: position on the field as good and as with as
17:07
Speaker 3: much effort as Torres pitched, then I can play any
17:10
Speaker 3: position with that type of effort. If I'm not expected
17:14
Speaker 3: to be great, just like Lance said, put me anywhere,
17:17
Speaker 3: And I think any pitcher can go out there and try,
17:20
Speaker 3: because that's really all you're asking that position player to
17:22
Speaker 3: do is go out there and try. Now, if you're
17:24
Speaker 3: expecting some level of excellency, my best bet is in
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Speaker 3: one of the corner roundfield spots. But I said this
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Speaker 3: quite a bit toward the end of my career. I
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Speaker 3: shortstop was my first love, and until I got to
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Speaker 3: high school and got too slow and grew a little bit,
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Speaker 3: I played it all the way up till my junior
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Speaker 3: few years of my big league career if I could
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Speaker 3: have seven or eight years as a shortstop and then
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Speaker 4: You know it was.
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Speaker 3: It was my first love, like I said, and I
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Speaker 1: So I'm on the social media a little bit and
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing some former players jump in and talk about
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Speaker 1: velocity and the velo that the pictures have in the
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Speaker 1: modern game of baseball. And they were saying, look, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if they use different radar guns, but there
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Speaker 1: were always guys that could throw one hundred miles an hour.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't show it every time, but they were
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Speaker 1: complaining that there always have been pictures that threw really hard.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to start with you on this lance.
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Speaker 1: Do you see more guys now that have the ability
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Speaker 1: to throw one hundred or do you see more guys
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Speaker 1: who will throw one hundred all the time because that's
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Speaker 1: how they're taught.
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Speaker 2: I think both, to be honest with you, I think
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Speaker 2: more guys are brought up to try to throw bard
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Speaker 2: and more guys throw as hard as they can on
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Speaker 2: a consistent basis. We're proud and I came up and
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Speaker 2: we're taught to sink it and cut it, take the
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Speaker 2: ball move. Now they're trying to throw riding forcing or
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Speaker 2: at one hundred miles an hour as hard as they
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Speaker 2: can every pitch, and that's what they've been practicing since
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Speaker 2: they were twelve thirteen years old. So I think that
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Speaker 2: we're seeing more throwers throw one hundred. Back in the day,
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Speaker 2: there was more pitchers throwing the under than there are now.
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Speaker 2: But everybody that does it under and now for the
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Speaker 2: most part it's throwers. So to answer your question, there are,
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Speaker 2: it's both, but they've always been around and they usually
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Speaker 2: were just closers. Nowadays starters can do it too. Where
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Speaker 2: that was that was kind of unheard of. Now I
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Speaker 2: think I think the starters throwing a hundred what's never
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Speaker 2: real back then where it is now?
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Speaker 1: And Kyle, you know, the training methods have gotten better
20:50
Speaker 1: humans as a species getting bigger, faster, stronger, although there's
20:55
Speaker 1: a been an obesity problem with the people that are
20:58
Speaker 1: media guys. But do you see guys are just now
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Speaker 1: better athletes or better physically to throw a hundred or
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Speaker 1: is that part of the training and also the way
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Speaker 1: they're brought up with they're taught let it eat.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I mean I think that definitely has something to do
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Speaker 3: with it on the starter side for sure, with the
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Speaker 3: letity mentality and throw every pitch as hard as you can.
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Speaker 3: You know, sat and listened to Sunny Gray, you know,
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Speaker 3: talk a lot about that. He wanted to throw every
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Speaker 3: pitch as a power pitch and throw it hard because
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Speaker 3: the harder slider is normally better. So the starter mentelli
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Speaker 3: has definitely changed. I think there was still guys that
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Speaker 3: threw a hundred, you know, two or three decades ago.
21:41
Speaker 3: Do I think as many teams had this number of
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Speaker 3: guys that did it? Probably not, But I think that
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Speaker 3: would be like saying, you know, you look at the
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Speaker 3: one hundred meters dash right now. Have there always been
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Speaker 3: this many guys that can break ten seconds? I don't
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Speaker 3: think so. So I mean I think as humans, you know,
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Speaker 3: athletic training has gotten better. And that's not to take
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Speaker 3: anything away from other generations. And this is coming from
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Speaker 3: a guy that never even got close to one hundred,
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Speaker 3: So I think I can say this. I just think
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Speaker 3: there's more arms that have that ability.
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Speaker 4: Then.
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Speaker 3: Do I think Nolan Ryan through as hard as Miserowski?
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Though I think it matters. Not really. I think it's
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Speaker 3: fun to hear about how hard Nolan Ryan throw Bob
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Speaker 3: Gibson through, and you know, cool to see Jacob Mizerowski
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Speaker 3: doing it as well. So, but it sure seems like
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Speaker 3: as radar guns have changed and picked up the speed
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Speaker 3: closer to the pitcher, we have definitely gotten more guys
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Speaker 3: throwing one hundred. So I'm sure that has something to
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Speaker 3: do with it. But I think we'd be probably a
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Speaker 3: little bit naive to think that if every other sport
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Speaker 3: is getting faster serves in tennis or faster runners in track,
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Speaker 3: that we wouldn't have more faster throwers in baseball. It
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Speaker 3: just seems natural to.
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Speaker 1: Me, makes sense. Last last, is MLB too obsessed with VLO?
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what all the cool kids are talking about.
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Speaker 2: It's like when they went with the Chickstig Go long
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Speaker 2: Ball in the late nineties, right when Colin and I
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Speaker 2: were going up. We made us love baseball again, right,
23:14
Speaker 2: So you've gotta have something that school and something that
23:16
Speaker 2: the kids are like, man, one day I want to
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Speaker 2: do that. So I would say, no, they're not obsessed
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Speaker 2: with it. Are they putting too much emphasis on it, because, yes,
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Speaker 2: not the only way to get out, maybe because there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of different ways to get out from the
23:31
Speaker 2: big leaks. But if you can throw a hundred, I
23:33
Speaker 2: mean it's cool to talk about. O's for sure, Kyl.
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Speaker 2: And I never did it, so that's probably why if
23:38
Speaker 2: I sit here and said, hey, I threw one hundred
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Speaker 2: what fifty eight times to the start, I'm probably gonna
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Speaker 2: tell you about it. But I didn't, So yeah, it
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Speaker 2: is cool to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Kyle. You're an old school guy. Do you enjoy watching
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Speaker 1: miss Rowski or whoever throw one hundred and four miles
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Speaker 1: an hour? Because I got a mid I do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I still enjoyed. If I
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Speaker 3: had to pick, and I haven't seen much of Misrowski, right,
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Speaker 3: But if I had to pick, and I could pick
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Speaker 3: between Skins and Miserwski, I would probably pick Skeens because
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Speaker 3: I like how Skeens works the.
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Speaker 4: Ball to the plate.
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Speaker 3: I likes how I like how he reads hitters, and
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Speaker 3: and he's still a pitcher. And that's not saying Misrawski
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Speaker 3: is not a pitcher, right. I haven't seen enough of
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Speaker 3: him to really go in depth on what he does.
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Speaker 3: He he might have a great idea of what he's
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Speaker 3: trying to do out there, and his command and pitchability
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Speaker 3: might be off the charts. I haven't seen a lot
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Speaker 3: of it, but just hearing from what hitters have said
24:38
Speaker 3: about Paul Skins, that's what he does, pitchability and one hundred.
24:43
Speaker 3: You know, I think seeing a guy light up the
24:45
Speaker 3: radar gun is a lot of fun. But I also
24:49
Speaker 3: still really enjoy watching a guy. Uh not to pick
24:53
Speaker 3: on Michael mcgree because he doesn't that be a little
24:54
Speaker 3: bit because I was in the same boat, but I
24:56
Speaker 3: think personally I like to watch a guy navigate a
24:59
Speaker 3: lineup like that, and I think it frustrates hitters a
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Speaker 3: lot more because they see guys like that as hittable.
25:06
Speaker 3: And you know, the Taquin lance. When I were still
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Speaker 3: playing and early in our career, more was like, man,
25:12
Speaker 3: where's the guys throwing eighty eight to ninety You know,
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Speaker 3: that's what hitters wanted to see when starters were throwing
25:16
Speaker 3: ninety four to ninety five. You know, Now it's like, man,
25:19
Speaker 3: where's the guy throwing ninety four to ninety five? That's
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Speaker 3: who I want to see instead of a guy throwing
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Speaker 3: one hundred. But man, I like to sit and watch
25:27
Speaker 3: a guy like McGreevy, like Plante, like Liberator who go
25:31
Speaker 3: out there and know how to pitch and use their stuff.
25:33
Speaker 3: And but I think I've said this before on this podcast,
25:38
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Twins for the end of my career, you know,
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Speaker 3: they were pretty big on trying to get more guys
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Speaker 3: that threw hard and trying to add Villa because they
25:45
Speaker 3: were a pitch to contact organization for a long time
25:48
Speaker 3: and they wanted to add Villa because in their mind,
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Speaker 3: every mile an hour on your fastball was like point
25:53
Speaker 3: three off of your ern. So and just like Sonny
25:56
Speaker 3: Gray said from his time in Minnesota, if you can
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Speaker 3: throw your slighter harder, it's probably gonna be a better slagger,
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Speaker 3: take away decision making time, and it's going to help
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Speaker 3: you as a picture. So it's hard to argue that
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Speaker 3: velocity doesn't help a picture. But I definitely like watching
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Speaker 3: the guy, you know, work through a lineup and work
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Speaker 3: both sides.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff, good stuff. That's going to do it. For
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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinal Territory, We'll see you next time.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully that episode won't suck