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Jeter & A-Rod v. Cashman, Dombrowski’s Harper take, Tigers v. Skubal · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So the day after the season ends kind of
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  Speaker 3: situation here for the Phillies with Dave Dombrowski doing the
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  Speaker 3: post mortem about a week after they were bounced from
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  Speaker 3: the postseason. It got more attention because he brought up
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  Speaker 3: Bryce Harper. He actually brought up a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: The only definite he gave us was that Max Kupler
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  Speaker 3: is not returning. He was on a one year deal,
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  Speaker 3: and it sounds like they want Justin Crawford in a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of an outfield reshuffle. For the most part,
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to give away everything they're doing for
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  Speaker 3: the offseason. This is all info coming from The Philly Show,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, which is part of the FT Network,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a fantastic show. But anyway, I want to
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  Speaker 3: start with Bryce Harper Kratz and get your thoughts here
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  Speaker 3: from the jump after we roll the clip, because online
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  Speaker 3: some people are like, oh, Dave Dombrowski's shading Bryce Harper,
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  Speaker 3: saying he's not good anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's listen to the clip and decide, yes, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Think I mean in Bryce's case, of course, he's still
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  Speaker 4: a flopping player. He's still love star caliber player. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't have an elite season like he has had in
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  Speaker 4: the past.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 4: I guess we only find out if he becomes the
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  Speaker 4: elite or he continues to be good.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like he's you know, it's like if you
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  Speaker 4: say to me, I look around the league. I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to think Freddy Freeman. It's a really good player, right,
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  Speaker 4: he still is a good player. Is he elite like
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  Speaker 4: he was before? Probably not to the same extent, And
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  Speaker 4: so that's nothing that could you know, Freddy's a tremendous player,
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  Speaker 4: And that's to me, is Bryce can he rise to
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  Speaker 4: the next level? Again, I don't really know that answer.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and really he's he's the one that will
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  Speaker 4: dictate that more than anything else, I mean, is what
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  Speaker 4: it comes down to. So I don't think he's content
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  Speaker 4: with the year that he had, and again, it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: a bad year. But when I think of Bryce Harper,
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  Speaker 4: you think an elite right in, one of the top
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  Speaker 4: ten players in baseball, and I don't think it fit
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  Speaker 4: into that category. But again, very good player. I have
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  Speaker 4: no idea when you see somebody. I have seen guys
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  Speaker 4: at his age again, he's not old that level off
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  Speaker 4: all I've seen guys.
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  Speaker 1: Rise. Again.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: Is he calling him out in a nice way, like
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  Speaker 3: I want to see Bryce be legendary versus just a
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  Speaker 3: star in the sport. He certainly wasn't saying what some
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  Speaker 3: were referring to, like, oh, he's pissed off and doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like Bryce the season and all that. I mean, Bryce
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  Speaker 3: said a down year by his standards. That's fair to say,
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  Speaker 3: right Kratz, I'd tell you, oh, hell, yeah, good. He's
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  Speaker 3: just saying it wasn't you know, Like let me just
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  Speaker 3: let's keep it simple here for the start, right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: let's just go on offense for a moment, because he's
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  Speaker 3: a Gold Club finalist. He's playing a really nice first
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  Speaker 3: base these days, right, talking about Bryce ops plus forty
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  Speaker 3: two percent better than league average. This year he was
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  Speaker 3: at one twenty nine, so it's a tick below. I
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  Speaker 3: actually am very against Dave's comments about Freddie Freeman. He's
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  Speaker 3: like a top three defensive first baseman. His career ops
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  Speaker 3: plus is one forty two, and this year he was
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  Speaker 3: one forty one.
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  Speaker 2: Plus.
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  Speaker 3: He's a postseason legend and monster. I think if anything,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Bryce coming up short in a small sample
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  Speaker 3: size in the postseason and not being himself could be
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  Speaker 3: looked at.
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  Speaker 2: But what's your take here?
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  Speaker 6: My take is they have to dive into was he
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  Speaker 6: one hundred percent healthy? Because very few guys finish a
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  Speaker 6: season one hundred percent healthy. It's how you play through that.
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  Speaker 6: And a one twenty nine ops plus for Bryce, to
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  Speaker 6: me is still legit. It's still an all star level player.
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  Speaker 6: The question was posed, is he still elite? And he's like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know if he's ever able to.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen guys decline. I've seen guys rise out of
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  Speaker 6: the ashes, is what he said. And I know he
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  Speaker 6: in Philly right now. Bryce Harper is on a dartboard.
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  Speaker 6: Kyle Schwarber is on a dart He's on two dartboards,
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  Speaker 6: and Trey Turner on darbirds because Philly fans are pissed
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  Speaker 6: that those guys didn't hit. But if you watch his demeanor,
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  Speaker 6: if you watch Dombrowski's demeanor, he's like, look like, this
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  Speaker 6: is the team we built. This is a really good player.
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  Speaker 6: Can he improve? It's up to him, So maybe this
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  Speaker 6: was a little prodding. But the only person that can
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  Speaker 6: say it was a little prodding was Bryce. Bryce was
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  Speaker 6: also the same guy less than a year ago said
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  Speaker 6: maybe I want an extension, Maybe I want to finish
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  Speaker 6: out of Philly. Maybe this is Don Browski's way of saying,
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  Speaker 6: if you want to come back to me with that,
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  Speaker 6: I got to see a little uptick. I'm not saying
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  Speaker 6: it was. I'm saying it could be viewed that way
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  Speaker 6: by Bryce. And the last thing you ever want to
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  Speaker 6: do is give Bryce a reason. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 6: he's pissing him off, saying he could take that next level.
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  Speaker 6: Why because Bryce has never been that consistent one forty
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  Speaker 6: two ops plus, He's been like one thirty ops plus, bang,
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  Speaker 6: one eighty MVP, one thirty one, thirty one thirty bang MVP,
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  Speaker 6: those types of years. He still got that in him.
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  Speaker 6: I believe that, and he works incredibly hard. He was
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  Speaker 6: drafted as a catcher, became an outfielder so he can
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  Speaker 6: get to the big league so much sooner was an outfielder,
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  Speaker 6: went to first base, and now in the second full
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  Speaker 6: season of being a first baseman, he's a Gold Glove finalist.
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  Speaker 6: And maybe if there's a first base then like Josh
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  Speaker 6: Naylor for the Phillies, would he want to go back
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  Speaker 6: out to right field?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question.
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  Speaker 3: They said no, Dave said no, okay, Dave said deaf no.
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  Speaker 3: So because you have some fans like oh, Pete Alonzo
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  Speaker 3: no no, no, not yeah, but Naylor too. I love Naylor,
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  Speaker 3: but Naylor's first base or dh that's it. And so
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  Speaker 3: Pryce is the guy.
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  Speaker 6: Pryce is a Gold Glove finalist that's been the knock
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  Speaker 6: on Pete like everybody, And I don't agree with it
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  Speaker 6: because the first base defense is so like the difference
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  Speaker 6: between elite and like brutal isn't that high? Isn't that much?
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  Speaker 6: But to me, I think he's he is settled into
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  Speaker 6: first base. But he said Bryce said he was willing
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  Speaker 6: to do it had they gotten somebody. So the dudes,
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  Speaker 6: the dude's there for the two like, there's no I
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  Speaker 6: don't think there was any shade thrown towards Bryce. I
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  Speaker 6: think Dombrowski was just being honest.
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  Speaker 7: There's a I think a confidence level that Dombrowski kind
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  Speaker 7: of didn't show there about his guys. So I mean,
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  Speaker 7: for me, if I'm Bryce I'm looking at this like
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  Speaker 7: like I don't know where this is coming from, kind
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  Speaker 7: of like what you said, maybe contract something like what
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  Speaker 7: why is this you know this question or or this
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  Speaker 7: answer being told talking about he's thirty three year olds
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  Speaker 7: that it's not old at all. You know, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 7: thirty three, you're still kicking. You got at least five
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  Speaker 7: more good years. I think he's still going to be
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  Speaker 7: an elite player. I think he's gonna be a top
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  Speaker 7: ten player for sure. Yeah, he had a good year.
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  Speaker 7: He didn't have a great year. Okay, whooped he do?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, your team didn't win. You can't just pinpoint
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  Speaker 7: it on one guy. And I think the last thing
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  Speaker 7: I'll say, like, all right, well, if you're gonna come
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  Speaker 7: out in interviews like that, be prepared for a player
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  Speaker 7: like a guy in Bryce Harper to come out and
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  Speaker 7: ask questions about this staff and about what else to come.
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  Speaker 7: Not attack Don Browski, but say, hey, man, I don't
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  Speaker 7: know what they're doing up there. We know we're looking
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  Speaker 7: for other players. We want this, so maybe Dave. You
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  Speaker 7: know we're talking about top ten gms. Maybe Dave. We
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  Speaker 7: don't know who he is right now, so don't don't
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  Speaker 7: be upset when a player of his stature comes back
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  Speaker 7: at you in a good way, not to crush you,
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  Speaker 7: but to question you a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna switch things up. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: that much is clear. They didn't do it much last year,
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  Speaker 3: but I think they're going to do more of it
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  Speaker 3: this year.
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  Speaker 2: Kratz.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of regular season success, but they're not
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  Speaker 3: getting where they want to go. They're getting cut off
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  Speaker 3: a little bit sooner each year.
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  Speaker 6: Posts I heard this last year, they're gonna change, They're
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  Speaker 6: gonna they're gonna change.
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  Speaker 1: And who did they get? Max Kepler? They picked up
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Romano, Like they're.
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  Speaker 3: Gonna do it again. Though, don't you think there's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be uproar there if they leave everything the same?
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  Speaker 6: The same people, the same people that are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 6: the top three really struggled in the nl DS. Yo,
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  Speaker 6: we gotta sign Schwarba bag go. So there's no way
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  Speaker 6: to be knock a great year? Like what Like anybody
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  Speaker 6: that's come up to me, because I went and played
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  Speaker 6: poker last night and dudes were like, what about the
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  Speaker 6: top three in the NLDS? They were terrible? And I
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  Speaker 6: was like, what are you talking about you're talking about
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  Speaker 6: the Dodgers top three because they were brutal. They actually
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  Speaker 6: got hit out hit by the Phillies top three in
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  Speaker 6: that series. Oh, you're just you're just listening to the
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  Speaker 6: every single thing that everybody else is saying. The Phillies
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  Speaker 6: are not in a bad place. Do they need to
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  Speaker 6: change something?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Like what do they need to change? Like their music? No,
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  Speaker 6: they need to hit in the postseason. They need to
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  Speaker 6: score more runs at the end of the game and
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  Speaker 6: continue to push forward.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't done it. They've got to gone in reverse.
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  Speaker 6: You'd rather see your team go and Olds outed and
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  Speaker 6: LDS outed, NLCS and then the World Series, but they
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  Speaker 6: went backwards. So they have to change something. But they
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  Speaker 6: have the personnel to do it, and they're probably gonna
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  Speaker 6: go and sign somebody that will help this lineup.
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  Speaker 1: They got a hit in October.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we'll ask Dave about this. He's supposed to join
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  Speaker 3: us next week, Right next week.
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  Speaker 2: On Thursday, Dave Dombroskar live on foul Territory. We'll ask him.
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  Speaker 3: And lastly, Freddie Freeman's busy right now in the postseason,
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  Speaker 3: but I will represent him on this. Excuse me, I
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  Speaker 3: would like to refrain from catching strays right now, Thank
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  Speaker 3: you very much. I know I'm a little bit older,
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: but my numbers are the same, and I rest my
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  Speaker 3: case so consistent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing's changed.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: He looks sure if you want to say, he's older,
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: a little slower, but the production, the numbers are the
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: same for a long time.
• 10:30
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• 11:33
  Speaker 2: What's the beef?
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of it actually, with two former stars,
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: Derek Jeeter and Alex Rodriguez sending shots towards Brian Cashman.
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: Cash is like, I've been in the biz for a minute.
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: I'm clapping back, and he did so. There were two
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  Speaker 3: different sides of the coin here. A Rod was more
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: ripping the entire roster, saying that it was a terrible
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: roster the twenty twenty five Yanks, and Cashman slightly pointed
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: out how forty eight hours prior ay Rod picked them
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  Speaker 3: to win the World Series, So stay hot. I think
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  Speaker 3: I think Jeter's is the one that we should focus
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  Speaker 3: more on. And we're going to get sound here from
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  Speaker 3: cash coming up in just a sec. But Jeter was
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  Speaker 3: defending Boone and saying you didn't have any inside knowledge,
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: but that he felt like Boone was being told what
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: to do, which is pretty standard. I will actually side
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  Speaker 3: comment in Today's Sport. But he was taking a shot
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: at Cashman and his group for you know, taking over
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: and being too analytical and the whole deal. Right, So
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: cash did not just say I'm not going to cover that.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: He actually went on a radio show WFN and said this.
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  Speaker 5: And they don't know clearly that they don't know. I
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  Speaker 5: know that DJ said that. I don't know what he
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: meant by it. He did say he doesn't have inside
• 12:45
  Speaker 5: knowledge when he said it, but he did say it
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  Speaker 5: for whatever reason. And I think that's the bigaboo that
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: people get to throw out there when they got nothing
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  Speaker 5: else to throw, you know. It's like, you know, so
• 12:55
  Speaker 5: he agreed with me that Aaron Boon's a good manager,
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  Speaker 5: does Derek's commentary, and I agree with him, and then
• 13:02
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, there's always the boogeyman of other
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: people are making the calls analytics, analytics, analytics. People like
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  Speaker 5: to throw that too, you know, and none of that's accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: At the end of the day, you know, you put
• 13:18
  Speaker 5: Yo Tour on a deposition, you put your Joji Alurdy
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: under a deep position, you put Aaron Moon under de deposition.
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  Speaker 5: I've never picked a lineup. We've never picked a lineup.
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  Speaker 5: We don't tell them who to play. We don't tell
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  Speaker 5: them who to pitch, whether it's the tenor the rotation.
• 13:32
  Speaker 5: We do have conversations, like every organization you know about,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you know what's best at times in our opinion,
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  Speaker 5: their opinion. They'll ask us various different things, and that's
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: about process and the setups. But at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the day, they have the power of the lineup in
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  Speaker 5: the in gaming and it just isn't the case. So
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  Speaker 5: it's just a sad, sad uh, you know, throw away
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  Speaker 5: comments for people to make that don't really know.
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  Speaker 2: A little extra context too.
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  Speaker 3: Rod doesn't love cash because in twenty thirteen he got
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: the two hundred eleven game PD suspension kind of broke
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: up the relationship with him and with many others. To
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: be fair, he sued everybody besides himself on that one.
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  Speaker 3: Jeter after twenty ten didn't get the long term deal
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: and he's bitter about that, and that's fair. Just to
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: give you a little context that they're not BFFs. Your
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: thoughts on one side versus the other.
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  Speaker 7: Here, Yeah, interesting, just very interesting. It's a little uh,
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  Speaker 7: I think I think everybody's a little upset right now.
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: The Yankees aren't in the playoffs and they're not fighting
• 14:35
  Speaker 7: their way to get to the World Series. I think
• 14:37
  Speaker 7: that's where it stems from. I think there's a little
• 14:40
  Speaker 7: bit of tough love, like, hey man, why aren't the
• 14:44
  Speaker 7: Yankees winning. There's got to be some sort of issue.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, trying to defend. I think Derek Jeter's trying
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: to defend his buddy, you know, Aaron Boone, which in
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: alrighty has and and he can and I think you know,
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  Speaker 7: you don't. Here's the thing. You don't really see this
• 14:58
  Speaker 7: too much in Yankee lamb know, the talking back and
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: not back and forth to each other. But one guy
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  Speaker 7: especially is such prowess and such Hall of Fame status
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  Speaker 7: as as Derek Jeter is. All of a sudden, now
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  Speaker 7: he's he's got a platform. He could say basically what
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  Speaker 7: he wants on on on the channel he's on and
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  Speaker 7: and talking about baseball, and he let him lose. See
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  Speaker 7: what he was like, listen, I don't have a source,
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  Speaker 7: but at the same time, I got I gotta feel
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  Speaker 7: that I know Aaron's not making the choices here and
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  Speaker 7: Cashman all of a sudden came back with it. So
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  Speaker 7: I'd love to see what transpires after this. Do I
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  Speaker 7: think anything? Will? I don't, But yeah, little ding here,
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: a little ding there. There's nothing wrong with that. These
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  Speaker 7: two grown men trying to, you know, help each other out,
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  Speaker 7: making sure things are said right.
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  Speaker 3: Jeter might not have a direct source Kratz, but is
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: he wrong. Jeter recently worked in a front office, and
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I think on cash side bringing up Joe Torri or
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: even Joe Girardi at this point is so long ago
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  Speaker 3: the game has changed. No manager makes decisions on their own,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: and they shouldn't make decisions on their own. They very
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  Speaker 3: valuable information. I think the part where the fight is
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  Speaker 3: going on, and there are others involved too, with this
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  Speaker 3: fight is that Aaron Boone is just heading to the
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  Speaker 3: ballpark and saying my way or the highway.
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  Speaker 2: Baby.
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  Speaker 3: Everything I do is completely driven by me. Boone wants
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: the information. But also if he disagreed every single day,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: would he be working for the Yankees.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: No, But if you don't disagree with people, you never
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: get anywhere the organization that I was asked about the
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: most I've said this before on the show when I
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: went back to the Yankees was the Rays.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: What do the Rays do different? What do the Rays do?
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: And I said, the Rays put everything they can into
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: wanting to win, and they're not afraid of letting people
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: say things, bring things up, and contradict each other. And
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I saw that with the Yankees. I
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: saw those conversations. Were there people that didn't agree, Yeah, absolutely,
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: but they didn't get fired for not agreeing. The people
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: that I saw get fired from that organization were people
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: who completely went against what the organization's view of how
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: to do things was going to be. So when they
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: brought in Aaron Boone, Aaron Boone was not like, oh man,
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: I gotta have this job to me. Aaron Boone has
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: done an incredible job because he sets an environment that
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: fosters people to question why they are saying something. Why
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: would you put Aircrats in the lineup over Gary Sanchez?
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: Why would you put Kyle Higashioka in the lineup over
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Gary Sanchez or Gian Carlos. You know, all these things
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: are discussed and there's disagreements, but I believe at the
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: end of the day, this organization wants to win and
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: they push in the same direction.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: And some things. There's a louder voice.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: Sometimes it's analytics is allowed her voice, sometimes it has
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: to be boone is a louder voice, and him saying, look,
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: this is what I'm seeing on the field, and I
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: completely disagree with what a Rod said. This was a
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: good team. They just were not better than the Blue
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: Jays in this series.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I'm keeping A Rod's part mostly out of it, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: it's like, I mean, they're gonna win the World Series
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: two days later, they're the worst team that were. Like, Okay,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I think the Jeter Cashman part actually has juice to
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: it because I see both sides here. Cash is not
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: showing up in the dugout saying boot bop beep every
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: single day. But the front office does help make a
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: good chunk of the decision make. But they give that dude,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: they give them information every day. Here's what the lineup
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: should look like.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: You do you right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: If you think this player is going through it and
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: you're talking to him, that's fine, But that I mean,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: that's normal. Like Joe Madden was on our show the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: other day. You were on with him and he pushes
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: against this, but still for years, I know for the Cubs,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: for example, they'd send him all his info and then
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: that morning he'd be on a tablet and he'd be
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: taking their info, mixing it with what he's.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Got like that. That's okay, We're allowed to give info.
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: My thing is, here's what the lineup is. Good luck
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: and you have no.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Choice, right, And there are some teams that do that too, right,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: So then yeah, that's not them, that's fine. But my
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: point is to act like they don't have influence. Of
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: course they have influence, like every team has influenced these days.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: And I don't know, I know, we can go all
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: day about this, but go ahead.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Last word, crats No, I don't have a last word.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, we could talk, we could talk all the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: time about it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: But in my opinion, Cashman has done everything to put
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: this team in a place to win.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: The moves.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: The guys that he's picked up after they pivoted from
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: not getting SODO, that's clearly no brainer. Cashman shouldn't be
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: on the hot seat. In my opinion, he should not
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: be on the hot seat the organization. Maybe some of
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: the decisions outside of Cashman and Boom. I think these
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: two guys are should have the the full trust from
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Hal Steinberner to continue to do what they've been doing,
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: and that's making the playoffs year in and year out.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: And I think they're gonna make a run of the
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: World Series again next year some way, somehow.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've assembled good rosters. They've made their mistakes. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: think the Bolpie situation, the more I've heard about it
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: doesn't make sense, like, oh, it was more of a
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: problem than we thought. Okay, then you shouldn't have been
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: playing as much. That's a separate issue. The last thing,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: real quick, the analytics side, like oh the analytics, excuse y,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it is a real thing.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: The Yankees are top three in that for a long
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: period of time and own it. They always act like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: oh no, we don't care about that, and then behind
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the scenes, like you talk to I mean, I'm including
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: eight list players that I've heard from, not this year,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: last year, but it's probably like that have said like, yeah,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: we had to talk to them internally. It was getting
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: too much. We go back and forth. We don't feel
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: like they're hearing us on that, Like that's not a secret.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: That's minor leagues, that's major leagues. And there's always that
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: give and take, and they're not the only team, but
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: to act like, oh, oh, we hear the analytics, oh complaints.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Like, to me, that's belittling everybody around you and lying.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But that's me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: I think Yankee fans also need to hit get hit
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: with this dose of reality. Yes, they have not won
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: since two thousand and nine. In two thousand and nine,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: and even like in the earlier when they won back
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: in the early two thousands, they were this far above
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: everybody else in the sense of like some of their
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: forward thinking and spending, well, that spending's never changed the differences.
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: A lot of teams have closed that gap. Now the
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Yankees aren't getting worse. The other teams have closed that
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: gap with the with the edge that the Yankees had.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: So now the Yankees have to find that new edge.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: And to me, that new edge really sits in the
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: person to person interaction. How do you not get that
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: stuff wrong? How do you get that stuff throughout the
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: one sixty two then and then implement it into the postseason,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: Like this is a team that was in the World
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Series last year, Like they were in the World Series
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: they got beaten five games. Yes, they're in the World Series.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: They are right there. I just think the rest of
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: the league has caught up to them. Now they have
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: to find a way to open that gap back up again.
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  Speaker 3: Should we dip into some more questions here? There were
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: some responses to the Yankee stuff from earlier. I know
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: we've talked about this a lot, but people are like
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: totally up in arms with the with the volpy stuff
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: because it sounds like he's coming back to be the
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: short stop.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: His season's going to start late. We got some of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the info yesterday. I didn't.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: We got the info he can't swing for four months,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: but we can't dive for balls for six months, so
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: that dips you into the start of the season. Here's
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: my main concern, and a lot of Yankee fans voice
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: this too. They said, Okay, is next year going to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: be the oh, it's the first year off the shoulder
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: surgery situation. Matt McClain had that, right, We're gonna talk
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: to Will Benson coming up in a moment, not necessarily
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: much about that. But my point is, you do hear
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that a lot shoulder surgery is a big deal, No, Joe,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: it's no joke. He might he might be off for
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: a year, right, Like the numbers might be quite off
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: for a year, even from what he usually posts. So
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: that's where there's frustration, which I think is warranted.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that's fair?
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Sure, if you're gonna get a lesser version of what
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: he's given you, Yanks fans are like, Yo, this is
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: this is the spot where they're dialed in right now,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Like he was hurt, you played him.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Now he might be.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Worse coming off shoulder surgery, and you're still sticking by
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: him as your shortstop, which is the big position for them.
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the unknown. It's the unknown factor of you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: how is he gonna come off surgery? Is there anything
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: else in there that we didn't see? You know, there's
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: a lot of MRIs out there that show one thing
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: and next thing, you know.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: There's more.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: We'll see. It's the big unknown factor and it's gonna
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: be a big talk this offseason about what they're gonna do,
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: and it's really up to the Yankees in a breath
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: to figure that out. I don't have this lightest clue.
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: I love Anthony Bolpe. I think he's a great kid.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: I think he's good, and I think when he's healthy
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: he's a really good shortstop. He's a gold glover. As
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: we know, we know he can hit. I feel like
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: part of that whole thing was because of the shoulder.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: He's pulling off a lot more too as well. So
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: was he overcompensating We don't know, So it's something this offseason.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: It's gonna be a big storyline.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: By far the most talked about Adie ops plus guy
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: in baseball history. But I'm sure it'll keep coming up.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I think we got one minute some comments about our
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Philly stuff just now. Don said, will Dombrowski be elite again?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Can he rise to the next level. I think he's
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: done a pretty good job, but yeah, I would say
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: he has to maybe shake things up and armand said
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: sugar Do mac alb reported Castianos likely to be traded
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: or released.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I think he'll get del Kratz.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I mean they'll eat some money, but I think another
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: team will take that back.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Hot Coinner time just a couple of minutes, like one
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: quick thought each.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: John Hayman writing about how Schooble has a big gap
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: between what he's thinking what the Tigers are thinking. Evan
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Petzold and the Detraite Free Press also wrote about it
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and said that John Hammond goes two hundred and fifty
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: million apart in negotiations. Estimated was that the Tigers offer
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: after the twenty four season, and the projection that Schooble
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: will command at least four hundred million free agency following
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six and his story Evans he said it
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: might even be three hundred million apart. I mean, that's
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: a lot to be a part on. So it sounds
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: like they might trade him. You're gonna let him go
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: into his last year.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: I mean you're usually right on these things. But if
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: I'm the Tigers, I'm trying anything I can do to
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: keep this guy. He's been a staple. He's an incredible
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: left handed pitcher. He's ridiculously good. This could leave a
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: bad taste, you know how this goes, especially with bars clients.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Man like, he knows what they should be getting and
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: he's not going to steer away from telling them this
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: is what it is and see what happens. But it
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: makes me nervous because you know, this is one of
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: the bigger names after next year, right that might be
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: on the market. If not, yeah, they trade you, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: mean that I don't think they should. I think they
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: should find any which way to keep this guy in
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: this team.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Kratz.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: They can afford him, of course, but I do think
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you have a little bit of like where the Mets
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: went last offseason, not buying, spending hundreds of millions on
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: starters and the Schoogle sides like, oh, hey, have you
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: been watching the playoffs?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: Two hundred and fifty million apart on a pitcher's contract.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: What pictures are making over two hundred and fifty million dollars? Yes, Yamamoto,
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: that is it. Sorry, they weren't two hundred and fifty million.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: This is I'm gonna say, fake news. That's that's my
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: whole reaction to it, because Boris doesn't even A team
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: would be asinine to think that Boris is going to
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: sign a early extension, So don't offer him anything. Don't
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: give him anything to like take and say, okay, well
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: I'll go and do this. Like I have a hard
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: time believing the Tigers were that naive to think that
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Boris would accept an extension, and then the fact that
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: they're two hundred and fifty million apart.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not buying it. And there's no reason too.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: You still got him, You still got him. He's pitching
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: for your team. He's gonna hit free agency, he's earned that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: Go big for him a free agency. But two hundred
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: and fifty apart? What did they offer twenty million? And
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Boris wanted two seventy, like, I don't think so is.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It two fifty and they want five hundred. I don't know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have plenty of time to talk about this
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: in the opposition.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: I don't think.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, you know, I'm I'm kind of like, eh, hey,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Yadi put this out on Instagram.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: He's ready. He's ready.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: A few years on the sidelines and just poking his
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: head into a dugout. He's ready to manage. He is
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: officially declared, laying himself assignable manager.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He might get signed.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: It's a great time too, A ton of openings, a
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: ton I think there's nothing. I think you'd be a
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: solid manager, and I think this is the perfect time
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: to come out and say that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: I'd love to be a manager and have him as
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: my bench coach. I wonder, I wonder how he's gonna do.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: I wonder how he's gonna do in the media sense,
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: because there's a ton of that kind of stuff. He
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: wasn't that open as a player, and I'm trying to
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: I'm racking my brain to think of like significant players
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: that are managers now that didn't have that like media
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: where we have an example of him speaking out in
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: the media. He just didn't see it a lot throughout
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: his career and played in an easy market Saint Louis,
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: where it didn't need to and it didn't press him.
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: But that's the part that Hey, maybe this Instagram post,
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: look at me, I'm spread my social media wings. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: can do media.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and bench coach might be a good gateway for
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: him to just get a feel for what the manager's
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: working with every day. And maybe it's a manager that
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: would even let him do some speaking to see it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: not the comfort thing. He's brilliant, right, I've spoken to YACHTI.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: He's brilliant and he's super well respected. He for the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: most part, hated talking to the media. Hated right, not
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: in a mean way. He's just like, nah, I'm good,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I'm busy twice today