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Tony Nader – The Power of Caring · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, The New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, The New Voice. Why do so many people
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Speaker 1: today feel emotionally overwhelmed, disconnected, numb, cynical or burned out?
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Speaker 1: My guest this week on Vox Novus, Physician, neuroscientist, and
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Speaker 1: consciousness researcher doctor Tony Nater says the problem is not
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Speaker 1: that people no longer care, It's that modern life has
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Speaker 1: made caring feel emotionally unsustainable. Tony Nader is a medical
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Speaker 1: doctor trained at Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
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Speaker 1: A globally recognized expert in the science of consciousness and
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Speaker 1: human development, he is the successor to Maharishi Maheshiogi and
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Speaker 1: head of the Transcendental Meditation organizations globally and president of
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Speaker 1: Maharishi International University. His empirical research in neurochemistry and neuroan
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Speaker 1: doctronology has been widely published in peer reviewed scholarly journals,
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Speaker 1: and he has presented at many academic and governmental institutions worldwide.
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Speaker 1: His previous book, Consciousness Is All There Is, How understanding
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Speaker 1: and experiencing Consciousness will transform your life was a New
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Speaker 1: York Times bestseller. His website is doctor Tonynader dot com
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Speaker 1: and he joins me this week to share his new book,
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Speaker 1: The Power of Caring, Who Cares, Why it matters, and
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Speaker 1: how consciousness caring creates a pulpilling and connected life. Please
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Speaker 1: join me in welcoming the Box Novus doctor Tony Natter.
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Speaker 2: Welcome Tony, Thank you, Victor, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Tony. Please share your path and how it led to
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Speaker 1: the exploration of the nature of consciousness.
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Speaker 3: I've always been interested in why people make decisions, why
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Speaker 3: we are who we are, and this dichotomy between matter
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Speaker 3: and something very personal, subjective, our inner experience, which later
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Speaker 3: became for the mind body problem, and so which was primary?
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Speaker 3: Does the brain create consciousness or is consciousness primary? Or
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Speaker 3: there are two different aspects of reality. So I went
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Speaker 3: into medicine thinking that biology and physiology and the compl
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Speaker 3: laxity of organization of our nervous system is the basis
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Speaker 3: of whatever consciousness is, and of course it is very
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Speaker 3: intimately related to our human consciousness.
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Speaker 2: But I discovered that there are other levels.
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Speaker 3: Of consciousness, other ways of thinking about being conscious or
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Speaker 3: aware that we see in animals and even in plants
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Speaker 3: and different aspects of reality. So I went diving deep
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Speaker 3: into it, particularly that I was practicing both medicine and
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Speaker 3: a mental technique or transcendental meditation, which gave me great
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Speaker 3: input about what awareness is and how it can influence
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Speaker 3: the physiology the body, the mind, the behavior, etc. So
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Speaker 3: this led to that study from a philosophical perspective as
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Speaker 3: well ascientific perspective of what is consciousness? Where does it
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Speaker 3: come from? And I came to my conclusions. So this
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Speaker 3: was the past that led me to that.
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Speaker 1: What was that conclusion? And does quantum physics have anything
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Speaker 1: to play?
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Speaker 3: The conclusion and brief is after looking at it from
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Speaker 3: so many angles, spiritual, philosophical, scientific, modern discoveries, studying myself,
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Speaker 3: the brain and consciousness and behavior and cognition. In simple terms,
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Speaker 3: my conclusion is that consciousness is primary in fact, and
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Speaker 3: it is like a field an ocean of being that
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Speaker 3: emerges or manifests and different layers of itself, and that
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Speaker 3: consciousness is on a spectrum from a meager smaller level
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Speaker 3: of the tech sensing responding, which we see in even
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Speaker 3: inanimate objects or even particles and molecules, to a more
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Speaker 3: organized higher consciousness in cells and organs and in systems,
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Speaker 3: in plants and animals, and then in human beings. So
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Speaker 3: consciousness is not just a human like consciousness. This is
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Speaker 3: where people get it wrong, and they imagine that if
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Speaker 3: you don't have a human like consciousness, therefore you don't
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Speaker 3: have consciousness at all. And so my conclusion is that
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Speaker 3: consciousness is primary, and it is what we experience in
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Speaker 3: its dynamics of consciousness and the way it manifests. We
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Speaker 3: experience it as material, physical, specific aspects of what we
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Speaker 3: see in the manifest universe.
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Speaker 2: So that's really my conclusion.
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Speaker 3: This was my first book which was called Consciousness is All.
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Speaker 3: There is supporting that claim. And you mentioned quantum mechanics.
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Speaker 3: You know, there is quantum mechanics, which are the finer
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Speaker 3: aspects of what we call physical and material, and then
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Speaker 3: there is quantum field theory, which is even finer than
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Speaker 3: quantum mechanics, and there are now unified field theories that
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Speaker 3: explain that the whole universe is based on a field,
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Speaker 3: a unitary field which manifests as the different forces and
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Speaker 3: matter fields in nature, and what we see, what I
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Speaker 3: see is that that field is a field of consciousness.
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Speaker 3: In fact, in even physics describes it as more of
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Speaker 3: a logical field of mathematics and dynamics rather than actually
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Speaker 3: a truly physical field in that sense. So as big
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Speaker 3: scientists who have worked on this have even mentioned that
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Speaker 3: the universe is like a big thought rather than you know,
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Speaker 3: a material expression of something that is energy becoming matter.
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Speaker 3: So we take Plank and all other top people who
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Speaker 3: worked on this level who suggested.
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Speaker 1: That, and for our listeners, that book you read referenced
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Speaker 1: was your New York Times bestseller Consciousness is All There
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Speaker 1: is how understanding and experiencing consciousness will transform your life.
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Speaker 1: And I highly recommend that book to those who are
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Speaker 1: listening today. So congratulations on that book.
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Speaker 2: Thank you Victor, Thank you Tony.
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Speaker 1: How did transcendental meditation become part of your personal practice
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Speaker 1: and ultimately lead you to carrying on the work of
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Speaker 1: Maharishi Mahashogi and leadership of the movement that he founded.
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Speaker 3: I learned transcendental medication as a pre medical student, and
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Speaker 3: it gave me so much insight into awareness consciousness, which
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Speaker 3: is basically my first experiences of transcending, which means going
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Speaker 3: beyond the surface value.
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Speaker 2: And we explain this like.
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Speaker 3: Consciousness or the field of the mind is like an ocean,
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Speaker 3: active on its surface with waves and quieter as.
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Speaker 2: You go deeper and deeper in it.
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Speaker 3: So by its nature it's more quiet as you dive within,
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Speaker 3: dive within the ocean. What we usually experience is bubbles
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Speaker 3: of thought, as if they come from the depths of
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Speaker 3: the ocean and they appear on the surface. Our mind
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Speaker 3: is only on that level, on the surface level of
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Speaker 3: that ocean, and we see the waves, we experience the
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Speaker 3: bubbles on that level. Transcending means to go beyond, and
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Speaker 3: to go beyond that surface is a very natural process
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Speaker 3: guided by the nature of the mind to always search
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Speaker 3: for more. We usually search for more through the senses,
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Speaker 3: projecting ourself outside into one thing, more beautiful things to see,
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Speaker 3: more beautiful things to hear, to taste, to acquire, to have,
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Speaker 3: which is fine, it's part of the dynamics of evolution and.
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Speaker 2: Desire, etc. But the true fulfillment is.
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Speaker 3: And the source of thought, because it's the source of
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Speaker 3: thought which is within us, that leads to proper thinking,
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Speaker 3: proper action, and action leads to achievement. Achievement leads to fulfillment.
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Speaker 3: So the source of fulfillment comes from something deep within.
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Speaker 3: As you know, the saying goes, you know, know yourself,
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Speaker 3: know yourself to be something so deep.
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Speaker 2: So what is that self?
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Speaker 3: Which is very fun mentally important for me, It was
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Speaker 3: a field of non change, because we live in the
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Speaker 3: field of change all the time, the relative field. And
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Speaker 3: my first deep experience of something that is non changing,
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Speaker 3: that is unitary, that is, one that is infinitely symmetrical
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Speaker 3: and completely holistic and unbounded, unlimited, is something that awakened
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Speaker 3: in me kind of an epiphany, a feeling of something
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Speaker 3: so profound, so holistic, that I pursued that. And it
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Speaker 3: wasn't just the experience, it is what it gave me
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Speaker 3: in terms of ability to concentrate, be resilient, be settled within,
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Speaker 3: and be happy within even when the outside is you know,
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Speaker 3: sometimes tumultuous and demanding and chaotic in some cases. So
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Speaker 3: that the initial thing which stayed with me and helped
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Speaker 3: me through my medical studies and then I became a
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Speaker 3: transcendental meditation teacher. I went to Switzerland and met Marishi
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Speaker 3: and learned from him and became an actual teacher of that.
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Speaker 3: But I wanted to pursue my scientific research and study,
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Speaker 3: so I did do you know, neurology, and did also
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Speaker 3: cognitive science. I got a PhD in brain and cognitive science.
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Speaker 3: But this value kept on attracting me. And when I
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Speaker 3: finished my studies and did my practice and fellowship and
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Speaker 3: medicine and science, Marci was in India and he called
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Speaker 3: me there and I came and joined him as if
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Speaker 3: for a week or so. And the week came became
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Speaker 3: a month, and a month became, you know, many months
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Speaker 3: and a year. I had to send my colleagues all
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Speaker 3: my patients in Boston. I had to sell my car,
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Speaker 3: and I had a plane. I'm a pilot, and I
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Speaker 3: sold the plane. I sold the house because I really
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Speaker 3: was passionate, you know, I had passion about discovering more
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Speaker 3: about the brain and consciousness. And gradually I worked with
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Speaker 3: Marishi to look at the comparison between physiology and how
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Speaker 3: it works and anatomy even and the ancient knowledge from
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Speaker 3: which transcendental meditation comes, which is verdy acknowledged. Way that
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Speaker 3: means knowledge, actually it means total knowledge and which is
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Speaker 3: also the yoga systems, of ancient systems of potential yoga
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Speaker 3: sutras and the yogas. You know that even our practice,
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Speaker 3: the physical yoga postures, the breezing exercises and all the
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Speaker 3: system that is at the basis of transcendental meditation. And
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Speaker 3: I compare the two and I came also with an
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Speaker 3: interesting correlation that shows that our physiology is a blue
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Speaker 3: you know, is a responded to or is structured like
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Speaker 3: the structure of the Vedic knowledge, which is completely unbelievable
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Speaker 3: and unexpected. And so Marici, who had this inspiration himself,
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Speaker 3: but you know, wanted some scientists to do it, was
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Speaker 3: very happy with that. And I worked with him then
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Speaker 3: for like less than about twenty years or so full time,
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Speaker 3: and he trusted my knowledge and experience, and he asked
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Speaker 3: me to be guiding this knowledge that he has brought
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Speaker 3: because he wanted to be wanted it to be presented
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Speaker 3: in a scientific way. You know, he doesn't believe that
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Speaker 3: it's something that should be based on faith alone or
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Speaker 3: on belief, or that it is specific for one tradition
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Speaker 3: or one culture. But like science is, it is based
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Speaker 3: on laws of nature, and the laws of nature are
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Speaker 3: not only physical, they also have an expression in consciousness,
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Speaker 3: in fact, primarily in consciousness and the field of awareness
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Speaker 3: and then manifest as physical aspects. So that was my story,
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Speaker 3: and based on this research and on I guess his
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Speaker 3: trust and my understanding, he asked me to guide this
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Speaker 3: knowledge in a scientific way for all generations to benefit
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Speaker 3: from it.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing that experience. That
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Speaker 1: must have been life changing in so many ways.
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Speaker 3: It has been, indeed, and I didn't expect it. I
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Speaker 3: didn't really want it even you know, while discussing with
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Speaker 3: him when he asked me to do that, I was
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Speaker 3: first saying, you know, trying to convince him that it's
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Speaker 3: not necessary. I'm you know, I'm in service, and I
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Speaker 3: can contribute without taking that you know, managerial or administrative
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Speaker 3: and you know, balancing effect because we are in one
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Speaker 3: hundred more than one hundred and fifty countries, we are
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Speaker 3: all over the world, actually in major cities even in
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Speaker 3: every country and the world, and so you know, I'm
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Speaker 3: basically a doctor, a scientist, a thinker in a sense,
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Speaker 3: and I didn't want to be kind of taken by
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Speaker 3: management and organization and all that. But it became a
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Speaker 3: joy since he's structured everything very very well and very
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Speaker 3: well organized, and so yeah, it was transforming. So I
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Speaker 3: had to deal also with organization and guidance and ifying.
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Speaker 3: You know, people get when you have such a big,
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Speaker 3: large movement and activities, you get always people who have
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Speaker 3: different opinions and different angles, which is great and which
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Speaker 3: we use to build, you know, force of evolution, so
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Speaker 3: that differences are not contradicting themselves or fighting with each
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Speaker 3: other or conflicting, but they are used to evolve and
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Speaker 3: look at every aspect, see which which aspect from this
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Speaker 3: kind of opinion has something that we can learn from
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Speaker 3: or that we can use. And so it was it's
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Speaker 3: a joyful responsibility, let's.
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Speaker 1: Say, wonderful. And now we move on to your brand
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Speaker 1: new book, The Power of Caring, Who Cares, Why it matters?
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Speaker 1: And how conscious caring creates a fulfilling and connected life.
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Speaker 1: What inspired that book?
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Speaker 3: It's because all our people who are in this program
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Speaker 3: of meditation, they care, They truly care from an inner
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Speaker 3: ground that is very well established in consciousness and well being.
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Speaker 3: And we see that the world has so much challenges today,
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Speaker 3: like in every cultural time or situation, and I see
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Speaker 3: many people, you know, when we went through COVID who
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Speaker 3: cared fully and got burnt out and got overwhelmed, and
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Speaker 3: they got even PTSD. Many of them became depressed and anxious,
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Speaker 3: particularly the you know, the.
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Speaker 2: Healers.
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Speaker 3: The healers means the doctors, the nurses, the staff of hospitals,
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Speaker 3: those who care, the caring people, and so many god
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Speaker 3: even suicidal. Some of them did go all the way
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Speaker 3: to that and anxiety depression. So they cared fully, but
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Speaker 3: they got burnt out. And I see also people who
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Speaker 3: were heard from caring and then they became isolated, they
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Speaker 3: became avoidant, they kind of became even feeling in solitude
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Speaker 3: and loneliness and disappointment from society. And so I felt
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Speaker 3: that it's not caring more or caring less that is important.
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Speaker 3: It's carrying in a wiser way, carrying in a better way.
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Speaker 3: And so that's what the book calls upon upon us
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Speaker 3: to care in a way that is sustainable, that allows
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Speaker 3: us personally to care for ourselves and not feel you know,
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Speaker 3: guilty or selfish even and in difficult situations where you
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Speaker 3: know a parent has a child that has problems, or
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Speaker 3: a son or a daughter that have an elderly parent
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Speaker 3: that needs care and they burn out. I've seen, you know,
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Speaker 3: even daughters, for example, caring so much for very elderly
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Speaker 3: parent and then the daughter dies even before.
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Speaker 2: The parent, out of burnout. So all of this and
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Speaker 2: also the.
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Speaker 3: Fact that caring itself is a technique of feeling good,
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Speaker 3: a technique of improving oneself, a technique of overcoming loneliness.
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Speaker 3: If it's done properly, it expands the sense of self.
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Speaker 3: So I'm no more isolated in that small body that
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Speaker 3: I have. I start to feel the other as part
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Speaker 3: of myself, you know, I expand my sense of love
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Speaker 3: and care, which you know fulfills the heart and brings joy.
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Speaker 3: And also because scientifically we are wired to care. When
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Speaker 3: you care, you have better hormones, better sympathetic system, is
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Speaker 3: balanced blood pressure, heart rate. You know, you secrete hormones
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Speaker 3: such as oxytocin.
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Speaker 2: Which is a bonding hormone.
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Speaker 3: You have dopamine which is a reinforcement and feeling good hormones,
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Speaker 3: serotonin and dolphins. And so caring is a technique also
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Speaker 3: to help us even feel better and grow in many ways.
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Speaker 3: There are other philosophical questions based on my study of
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Speaker 3: consciousness and how consciousness expands itself and sees itself and
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Speaker 3: expresses itself. And so how caring for the other is
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Speaker 3: actually caring for ourself. How caring for or the you know,
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Speaker 3: environment for the world is also caring for ourself. And
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Speaker 3: you know, on the philosophical level, I have often asked
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Speaker 3: the question, does the universe care when people are facing
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Speaker 3: difficult situations that they cannot understand, or there are accidents
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Speaker 3: that happen to children, or unfair things or you know,
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Speaker 3: problems that happen. People feel does the universe care at all?
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Speaker 3: They feel like isolated and wondering about the bigger picture
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Speaker 3: of meaning and purpose and whether there is a caring
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Speaker 3: reality or it's just all random or you know, predetermined.
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Speaker 3: So the book addresses all of these values and caring
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Speaker 3: in different conditions situations you know, maybe in divorce, maybe
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Speaker 3: in relationships, in love and love when you lose somebody.
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Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's a book which is I feel,
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Speaker 3: a work of love and care that I am really
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Speaker 3: happy to be able to share with whoever is interested
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Speaker 3: to look into that.
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Speaker 1: And we're going to move deeper into some of the
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Speaker 1: points that you brought up in the next segment, but
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Speaker 1: I just want to share quickly a personal story of mine.
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Speaker 1: I believe you and I were both the sons of
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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties early nineteen fifties, and in my life
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Speaker 1: I had a father who had been significantly older than
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Speaker 1: my mother, and I never felt that he loved me
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Speaker 1: until I was eight years old and he became seriously
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Speaker 1: ill with a number of situations and I became part
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Speaker 1: of his caretaking team with my mother, and for the
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Speaker 1: first time, I felt that he loved me, and it
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Speaker 1: wired in my young mind that if you care for others,
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Speaker 1: you will be loved, which was a pattern that I
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Speaker 1: created and kept doing through most of my younger life
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Speaker 1: until I hit my forties and ended up with some
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Speaker 1: physical challenges of my own and the realization that I
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Speaker 1: had to care for myself first and then care for others.
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Speaker 1: And we'll talk more about that in the next segment,
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Speaker 1: but it was a wonderful awakening and it changed my
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Speaker 1: life and made me healthier and also made me more
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Speaker 1: available to people that truly needed my care, and I'm
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Speaker 1: grateful for that experience. My guest is doctor Tony Natter,
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Speaker 1: his brand new book The Power of Caring, who cares,
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Speaker 1: why it matters, and how conscious caring creates a fulfilling
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Speaker 1: and connected life. Tony, please share with our listeners where
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Speaker 1: they can get your book and find out more about
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Speaker 1: you and your amazing work.
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Speaker 3: The book is available in old platforms t will be
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Speaker 3: released in less than a couple of weeks or so,
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Speaker 3: but I can pre order at the Power of caringbook
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Speaker 3: dot com and when you order there and if you
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Speaker 3: order more than one copy, I have had a joy
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Speaker 3: to do many webinars that are continuing once a month
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Speaker 3: about different things carrying across political device. Love, loss and
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Speaker 3: relationships is another one. We just had one which is
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Speaker 3: titled does the Universe Care? So we go deeply into
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Speaker 3: philosophical things. So you can check all of this out.
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Speaker 3: And my website is doctor Tony Nader dot com, d
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Speaker 3: R t O n Y and ad R dot com.
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Speaker 3: If you learn to learn transcendental meditation, it's TM dot org.
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Speaker 3: And so you know, we have a university m i
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Speaker 3: U is called Maharishi International University where we use consciousness
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Speaker 3: based education. So for the book which has all the references,
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Speaker 3: also is Amazon and everywhere else. It'll be a joy
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Speaker 3: to also have you on the webinars and answer your questions.
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novus, my guest this week is doctor
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Speaker 1: Tony Nader. We're talking about his new book, The Power
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Speaker 1: of Caring, Who Cares, Why it matters, and how conscious
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Speaker 1: caring creates a fulfilling and connected life. We had sort
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Speaker 1: of touched upon this a little bit in the beginning
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Speaker 1: when you were talking about consciousness. Where does caring and
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Speaker 1: the ability to care actually reside within us?
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Speaker 3: Caring is a natural aspect of our human species, of
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Speaker 3: our life. It is wired within us already, even physiologically
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Speaker 3: as a species, we were able to overcome even stronger species,
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Speaker 3: and you know, all kinds of happenings in a very
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Speaker 3: you know, aggressive sometimes wild world, and that is because
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Speaker 3: together we are much stronger than individuals. And so when
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Speaker 3: evolution favored our connectedness together, it created aspects in our
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Speaker 3: physiology that are emphasized that are strengthened when we care.
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Speaker 3: And so there is systems in our nervous system, which
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Speaker 3: we call mirror neurons for example, that are activated when
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Speaker 3: we see somebody doing something.
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Speaker 2: So if they are you know, doing something.
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Speaker 3: Which causes them suffering or pain or something like that,
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Speaker 3: the same parts in their brain that activate during pain,
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Speaker 3: feeling pain or not feeling good are actually activated in
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Speaker 3: us if we are observing them. And there is this
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Speaker 3: synchronicity which also happens in a positive way, which means
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Speaker 3: when we sink together of a project or plan to
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Speaker 3: work together. Scientists have recently found and what is called,
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Speaker 3: you know, social neurology if you like, or different name,
27:57
Speaker 3: different names. They found that there is coherence between their
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Speaker 3: brain and our brain. So we are really from different
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Speaker 3: perspectives physiologically already wired to care. And that's the basis
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Speaker 3: of empathy. But empathy if it's not properly balanced and
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Speaker 3: if it's not properly structured in a sustainable way can
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Speaker 3: lead to overwhelm and burn out, and so there are
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Speaker 3: it's important to know how to care.
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Speaker 2: In a sustainable way.
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Speaker 3: However, the question, the answer to the question, which is
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Speaker 3: more fundamental than just this evolutionary aspect, is that caring
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Speaker 3: comes from an inner ground rather than from an obligation.
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Speaker 3: Because we talked about wiring, and that is really there.
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Speaker 3: But there is another aspect of caring also which can
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Speaker 3: become a problem, and that is the obligation to care,
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Speaker 3: which means the sense of moral obligation because we have
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Speaker 3: been told you should do this, you shouldn't do that.
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Speaker 3: This is how you do in this case, this is
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Speaker 3: how you don't do in that case, and that becomes
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Speaker 3: moral obligation. So you want to do the thing that
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Speaker 3: a good person would do, irrespective of your ability to
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Speaker 3: evaluate the situation and evaluate what is yours to do,
29:37
Speaker 3: what is yours to care about or what is not
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Speaker 3: yours to care about? At what point and to what
29:44
Speaker 3: extent and how far you can go. So, although wiring
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Speaker 3: by itself is very positive, although you know, moral thinking
29:55
Speaker 3: and proper guidance from what is a sense of the
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Speaker 3: good to do is very helpful and very nice to
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Speaker 3: have and to follow. They can become either reflex in
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Speaker 3: one case based on the level of stress that we
30:14
Speaker 3: have in our physiology, the level of fear the prejudice
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Speaker 3: that we have which confuses the whole system biologically and mentally,
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Speaker 3: or it becomes like performance on the level of obligation.
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Speaker 3: And if both these systems are allowed to go out
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Speaker 3: of hand, then they burn you out and your ability
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Speaker 3: to care more is reduced, and ultimately you get burnt
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Speaker 3: out and you fall into being a victim of something
30:48
Speaker 3: good that you want to do. Your mind wants to
30:50
Speaker 3: do it right. You have the best intentions, but you
30:54
Speaker 3: don't know how to do it. You haven't been taught
30:57
Speaker 3: how to care sustainably. So where does the effortless caring
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Speaker 3: come from. It comes from inner ground, what I call
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Speaker 3: inner ground, from the inner self.
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Speaker 2: When you dive deep within yourself.
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Speaker 3: And that's why we mentioned transcendental meditation in the first section,
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Speaker 3: which allows us to dive deep within ourselves and experience
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Speaker 3: a peaceful inner state, remove the stresses and strains, as
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Speaker 3: has been shown scientifically, then you have greater clarity.
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Speaker 2: And what the greater clarity will show you.
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Speaker 3: Automatically and spontaneously is that you don't have to be,
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Speaker 3: you know, afraid of giving, of sharing, of loving, of
31:43
Speaker 3: expanding yourself from a limitedself, because you start more and
31:49
Speaker 3: more to recognize others and even your immediate environment, and
31:55
Speaker 3: gradually you know your society, maybe your nation, maybe the world,
31:59
Speaker 3: maybe the the whole ecosystem as part of yourself, a
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Speaker 3: continuation of yourself.
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Speaker 2: And so I describe.
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Speaker 3: A consciousness paradigm which shows the unity underlying all diversity,
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Speaker 3: and where in a few words, caring for others is
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Speaker 3: also caring for oneself and that has a very very
32:27
Speaker 3: measurable even effects on one's on feeling once on progress.
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Speaker 3: But it has to come from an ennerground rather than
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Speaker 3: reflex you know, which is set in our system or
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Speaker 3: you know, obligation on the surface.
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Speaker 2: That's why I call it conscious caring.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So why are emotional exhaustion and compassion fatigue becoming
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Speaker 1: a cultural problem.
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Speaker 2: It's because we have not learned to.
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Speaker 3: Care wisely and to care also for ourself, which is
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Speaker 3: the care or the giver. And we can get into
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Speaker 3: this state of on the one hand, empathy, which is
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Speaker 3: feeling things with the other without balance.
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Speaker 2: And so I.
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Speaker 3: Usually say empathy is feeling, feeling the other feeling things.
33:31
Speaker 3: Compassion is feeling but seeing also, which means analyzing. So
33:36
Speaker 3: that's a higher level where you act on it you
33:41
Speaker 3: feel like acting on it, But conscious caring is really
33:45
Speaker 3: feeling seeing and acting properly, acting according to the needs,
33:50
Speaker 3: according to the capacity, according to the requirement, or where
33:56
Speaker 3: you don't just react to the loudest per or throw yourself.
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Speaker 3: There is a fire and you throw yourself there. It's
34:04
Speaker 3: not yours to do. Maybe yours is to call the
34:08
Speaker 3: fire people. Maybe yours is to give guidance to those
34:13
Speaker 3: who are around. So there is that inner settlement in
34:18
Speaker 3: the self that is needed. Otherwise people throwing themselves into
34:24
Speaker 3: situations and circumstances and reacting reflexly without balance, or reacting
34:32
Speaker 3: in a performance way. It's like, you know, I have
34:36
Speaker 3: to look good. I have to do this because that's
34:38
Speaker 3: what a good person does. And therefore inside you are troubled,
34:44
Speaker 3: you are anxious, you are fearful, and you force yourself.
34:49
Speaker 3: It might have you know, great, great good in certain situations,
34:54
Speaker 3: but if you are not prepared and trained well to
34:57
Speaker 3: be settled within so that when situation and circumstances come,
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Speaker 3: you are able to handle them with a conscious, clear
35:08
Speaker 3: mind and make the right decisions. Then you can get
35:14
Speaker 3: into these situations where over time you are overwhelmed, you
35:18
Speaker 3: burned out, and you get even trauma, you get you know,
35:22
Speaker 3: traumatic stress and post traumatic stress problems, etc. So there
35:28
Speaker 3: is a way to care and prepare ourselves for whatever comes,
35:33
Speaker 3: so it can care in a sustainable way.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you would mention that our social media
35:40
Speaker 1: and the twenty four hour news cycle and constant outrage
35:44
Speaker 1: rewiring our emotional attention.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And you know, it's another aspect of the
35:53
Speaker 3: question of why we get exhausted and overwhelmed, and that is,
35:59
Speaker 3: you know, up in the morning and get the whole
36:02
Speaker 3: world on your shoulders, you know, of what's happening, as
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Speaker 3: if everything is broken. Yes, the world is not perfect
36:10
Speaker 3: and some things are broken, but not everything is broken,
36:15
Speaker 3: and we don't have to carry everything. You know, our
36:19
Speaker 3: young you know generation and even us of course, who
36:23
Speaker 3: have been through by the age of you know, whatever
36:27
Speaker 3: their teenage age, they are you know, exposed to situations
36:33
Speaker 3: and things in the world that our parents, even grandparents
36:37
Speaker 3: of course didn't get to be exposed to and their
36:40
Speaker 3: entire lifetime and so there is this sense of burden
36:45
Speaker 3: and responsibility and anxiety about the future, about the sustainability
36:50
Speaker 3: of the environment, about the whole thing, as if it's broken,
36:56
Speaker 3: and we are not even wired for that. You know,
36:59
Speaker 3: when we say we are are wired to care, we're
37:02
Speaker 3: wired to care as small groups. That's how it, you know,
37:05
Speaker 3: evolution wired us. We used to live in small tribes
37:09
Speaker 3: and care for the immediate things. We didn't have exposure
37:13
Speaker 3: to what we're having exposure right now. And as you mentioned,
37:17
Speaker 3: you know, the algorithms of the media support outrage because
37:23
Speaker 3: with outrage you activate the sympathetic system. The adrenaline goes out.
37:28
Speaker 3: You wake up and you get impressions from this and
37:32
Speaker 3: you kind of look at it and follow it and
37:36
Speaker 3: get stuck with it. And therefore the media says, oh,
37:40
Speaker 3: you have followers now, and you have interested people.
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Speaker 2: So you keep doing it. And that's the nature of
37:46
Speaker 2: you know, things.
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Speaker 3: We don't want to, you know, criticize media or anything,
37:51
Speaker 3: but that's the nature of things.
37:53
Speaker 2: However, we have to protect ourselves.
37:56
Speaker 3: So that's why I say, you know, in the morning,
38:01
Speaker 3: settle down, practice some inner feelings, a little bit silence also,
38:07
Speaker 3: or if you can practice transcendental meditation, which everyone can do,
38:12
Speaker 3: doesn't require any change in habits or any kind of
38:16
Speaker 3: obligation of food or diet or belief or anything. And
38:21
Speaker 3: it's very simple and easy and natural. But if you
38:24
Speaker 3: don't do it, you can just take a few minutes
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Speaker 3: of silence and then trust life. Trust that the day
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Speaker 3: you know you will care from an inner value, from
38:35
Speaker 3: an inner silence, and have discernment. Ask yourself, what is
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Speaker 3: mind to care for today or to care about today?
38:45
Speaker 3: And don't carry all this overload of the world falling
38:49
Speaker 3: apart and things like that, because that by itself creates
38:55
Speaker 3: inflammation and tension and fear and anxiety that are there
39:01
Speaker 3: in the physiology. So it's beyond just convincing ourself mentally,
39:07
Speaker 3: if we are holding and carrying all of these issues
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Speaker 3: which we are not prepared for, we see changes physiologically
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Speaker 3: and mentally that will not help us to be able
39:21
Speaker 3: to carry on because we're carrying too much and it's
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Speaker 3: not ours.
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Speaker 2: So ask yourself what is mine to care for today?
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Speaker 3: And be discerning, be trusting, and be simple and keep
39:38
Speaker 3: going back to the self.
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Speaker 1: And despite twenty four hour connection, despite cell phones, despite
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Speaker 1: social media, there seems to be loneliness and this connection.
39:51
Speaker 1: Why does that happen?
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Speaker 3: This is because information is projecting us outside and everybody
39:59
Speaker 3: is p rejected towards as.
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Speaker 2: If the world is.
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Speaker 3: Is, you know, something that we have to carry and
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Speaker 3: worry about as a whole, and there is no more
40:15
Speaker 3: discrimination or discernment. Let's say it is a better word
40:20
Speaker 3: about what is mind to do and what can I
40:24
Speaker 3: care about? And whether caring is something that requires huge
40:30
Speaker 3: changes rather than small acts of care. So I highlight
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Speaker 3: in the book how important small acts of kindness, small
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Speaker 3: acts of care are important. And so when you see
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Speaker 3: the whole world falling apart in your mind, it's not
40:48
Speaker 3: falling apart. There are problems, but it's not falling apart.
40:53
Speaker 3: Things are improving on many levels. You know, human rights
40:59
Speaker 3: are increasing, education is increasing, Infant mortality is decreasing.
41:05
Speaker 2: There are new.
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Speaker 3: Medicines, approaches for health and wholeness, new discoveries, expansion of
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Speaker 3: so many levels in life that are absolutely wonderful. And
41:18
Speaker 3: you come out and you think, no, everything is so
41:22
Speaker 3: broken and so out of your ability to do anything
41:28
Speaker 3: about it that you feel incapacitated. You feel isolated, You
41:34
Speaker 3: feel unable to hold onto anything or do anything, and
41:39
Speaker 3: so that is where you get this avoidant kind of
41:44
Speaker 3: attitude where you say, I can't do anything about this
41:49
Speaker 3: huge thing. It's not within my reach, and so you
41:54
Speaker 3: don't understand that. You don't know that even small acts
41:58
Speaker 3: of care, if you go out to do something nice
42:01
Speaker 3: to somebody, that is what we call behavioral contagion, which
42:06
Speaker 3: has been studied also in psychology and sociology, where if
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Speaker 3: you do something nice to somebody, they tend to do
42:13
Speaker 3: something nice to another, and the other tends to do
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Speaker 3: something nice to the other, and so there is a
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Speaker 3: ripple effect into even small actions. And we should value
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Speaker 3: these small actions and feel empowered to do them and
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Speaker 3: feel that we are contributing to them. And therefore this
42:32
Speaker 3: is how we learn to actually care in a sustainable
42:39
Speaker 3: way and a balanced way and not have to feel
42:42
Speaker 3: isolated and have to feel overwhelmed and unable to do anything.
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Speaker 2: So this sense of.
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Speaker 3: Failure before even we act is overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: But to your point about small of kindness, I was
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Speaker 1: raised by a mother who taught my younger siblings and
43:04
Speaker 1: myself that if you walk through a door in a
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Speaker 1: public place, you look behind you, and if you see
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Speaker 1: someone coming, you hold the door for them. Or if
43:12
Speaker 1: you see someone struggling in a supermarket trying to lift
43:15
Speaker 1: something off a shelf, especially an elderly person, ask first,
43:20
Speaker 1: to ask with permission may help you with that. What
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Speaker 1: a difference that makes in the community. What a difference.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, small acts of care go a very long way.
43:31
Speaker 3: And there are things which are ours to do, and
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Speaker 3: there are things which are not ours to do today.
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Speaker 2: Maybe in the future.
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Speaker 3: One can expand once acts of kindness and care, but
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Speaker 3: there are things that they calls you upon, and so
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Speaker 3: you should know how to balance it and be conscious
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Speaker 3: about it.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. My guest doctor Tony Nader his book The Power
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Speaker 1: Back on Vox Novius. My guest this week, doctor Tony
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Speaker 1: Nator his book The Power of Caring, Who Cares, Why
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Speaker 1: it matters, and how conscious caring creates a fulfilling and
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Speaker 1: connected life. Tony, what's the difference between self care and selfishness?
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Speaker 3: The difference is in many on many levels. First, even
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Speaker 3: the attitude itself and the knowledge that I am part
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Speaker 3: of a bigger aspect of life, that the other is
45:32
Speaker 3: also part of myself. You know that the great teachings,
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Speaker 3: for example, the Golden rule don't do onto others what
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Speaker 3: you want to be done onto you, or don't do
45:43
Speaker 3: onto others d you don't want to be done onto
45:46
Speaker 3: you is not just a moral guidance. It's a recognition
45:52
Speaker 3: of the one self that is appearing as different and
45:57
Speaker 3: different individuals, and so we are part of that wholeness,
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Speaker 3: and our inner self is also something that we need
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Speaker 3: to care about in order to be able to do
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Speaker 3: whatever we need to do, to achieve whatever we need
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Speaker 3: to achieve, and to expand our ability to enjoy the
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Speaker 3: wholeness of life and the oneness that connects us all.
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Speaker 3: So selfishness is to say I matter and you don't.
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Speaker 3: To care consciously, and to think consciously is to also
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Speaker 3: say I matter. Also, I matter also is different than
46:49
Speaker 3: I matter and you don't. So I matter and you
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Speaker 3: don't is selfish and it's limited, and in a sense
46:56
Speaker 3: it's ignorant I who is wise and responsible because we
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Speaker 3: cannot give to others except what we truly have. You
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Speaker 3: cannot give strengths if you don't have strengths, you cannot
47:15
Speaker 3: give happiness. If you don't have happiness, you cannot give
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Speaker 3: joy and fulfillment and inspiration if you don't have those,
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Speaker 3: people will read through you if you try to perform
47:29
Speaker 3: or make it something on the surface level.
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Speaker 2: So our first.
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Speaker 3: Responsibility is to be healthy and happy and strong ourself,
47:38
Speaker 3: and we look at it as what gives us the
47:42
Speaker 3: ability to perform in life and to grow in life,
47:48
Speaker 3: and to care and to share and to expand our
47:51
Speaker 3: sense of self. So they are very different in their perspective,
47:57
Speaker 3: and they are actually different in what they give. Selfishness
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Speaker 3: creates smallness creates isolation. You know, one can feel selfish,
48:06
Speaker 3: but one ultimately gets smaller and smaller and their living
48:12
Speaker 3: and their behavior and their being, and they get their
48:15
Speaker 3: punishing their self which wants to expand and to care
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Speaker 3: and expand oneself. While we care for ourself gives beautiful experiences,
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Speaker 3: hormones that are secreted, balance in the physiology, greater health,
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Speaker 3: greater sense of belonging, greater connectedness, greater fulfillment.
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Speaker 2: So the experience itself is different.
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Speaker 3: So you can care for yourself with that optic, with
48:46
Speaker 3: that feeling, and feel great and then share this greatness
48:51
Speaker 3: with others. Or you can care for yourself in a
48:54
Speaker 3: smaller way, in an ignorant way, I would say, and
48:58
Speaker 3: then feel diminished.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. You know, it's interesting that you had mentioned the
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Speaker 1: golden rule. One of my choices in life in the
49:08
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, despite having a career in welding technology. Welding
49:13
Speaker 1: engineering was a call to go to an organization called
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Speaker 1: the New Seminary of New York, which was one of
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Speaker 1: the first interfaith seminaries in the world. It was like
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Speaker 1: an adult education seminary. You would go on weekends and evenings.
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Speaker 1: And one of the lessons that we learned is that
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Speaker 1: there is an iteration of the Golden Rule in almost
49:32
Speaker 1: every faith around the world. And if everyone would just
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Speaker 1: subscribe to those two tenets, do unto others as you'd
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Speaker 1: have them, do unto you, Love thy neighbor as thyself,
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Speaker 1: what a world this would be?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, And you know I mentioned this and I
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Speaker 3: think Deserts chapter or one of the chapters beginning chapters
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Speaker 3: of the book, and I highlighted not only as an
49:56
Speaker 3: obligation rule or just a guidance, so as inspiration and
50:03
Speaker 3: instruction that we are one. Truly, we are ultimately one.
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Speaker 3: So the underlying logic behind it is what you do
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Speaker 3: onto others, you're also doing onto yourself, and so you know,
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Speaker 3: you see the.
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Speaker 2: Other as yourself.
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Speaker 3: That's the basis of it, which is really beautiful and fundamental.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Why are meditation and nervous system regulation important for
50:34
Speaker 1: emotional resilience?
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Speaker 3: It is how our system is built, and our system is.
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Speaker 2: Built to have recovery.
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Speaker 3: You know, when you expand yourself in activity and attention outwards.
50:52
Speaker 3: The system requires rest, We require sleep, we require diet,
50:57
Speaker 3: we require so we just orderliness from the environment. That
51:03
Speaker 3: orderliness is food that has you know, lower entropy, if
51:09
Speaker 3: you want to talk in physics, and we build ourselves
51:12
Speaker 3: like that. And so there are mechanisms to let the
51:17
Speaker 3: system rest deeply. Sleep is one of them, dreaming is
51:22
Speaker 3: one of them, and transcending, for example, is an important
51:26
Speaker 3: one because it gives a new state of awareness which
51:31
Speaker 3: is different than deep sleep, dreaming, and waking, which we
51:35
Speaker 3: call RESTful alertness. When you practice transcendental meditation, the mind
51:40
Speaker 3: settles down, guided by.
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Speaker 2: Its own nature to go deeply within.
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Speaker 3: At the same time, you know, as we say with
51:47
Speaker 3: the meta for the analogy, diving deep into the ocean,
51:52
Speaker 3: but you don't lose awareness. So it's not a place
51:55
Speaker 3: where your mind is kind of wandering aimlessly, but it
51:59
Speaker 3: is diving in a direction of greater settling, greater rest,
52:06
Speaker 3: but at the same time is getting alert and remaining
52:10
Speaker 3: awake and alert. And we see this in the EEG
52:13
Speaker 3: and changes in the brain patterns and coherence and the
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Speaker 3: brain activity. And so this RESTful alert and state is
52:23
Speaker 3: very fundamental and important that allows us to even during activity,
52:30
Speaker 3: not to be disrupted by events on the surface, because
52:35
Speaker 3: we learn how to be rested at the same time
52:39
Speaker 3: awake at the same time alert. And so when we
52:42
Speaker 3: go out into activity, which requires alertness, usually it takes
52:49
Speaker 3: us into the active modes, and there is where and tear,
52:56
Speaker 3: and there is activity and all of that. If you
52:59
Speaker 3: can maintain your calmness, your inner wellness as much as
53:04
Speaker 3: possible while you're active, then you have huge benefit of
53:10
Speaker 3: this rest for alertness. And here I have to say
53:13
Speaker 3: this happens naturally and spontaneously. It's not a question of
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Speaker 3: mood making, which means it's not a question of going
53:21
Speaker 3: out into activity and saying, oh, I should be rested,
53:24
Speaker 3: I should be calm, I should take it easy. Well,
53:28
Speaker 3: those might help if you take a step back and
53:31
Speaker 3: don't react, you know, in a reflex way, that's also helpful.
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Speaker 2: But it's beyond that.
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Speaker 3: It becomes as you practice regularly this RESTful alertness morning
53:41
Speaker 3: and evening, it becomes infused in you. Then you act
53:46
Speaker 3: and behave in a way that is less consuming, and
53:51
Speaker 3: you reduce wear and tear on your physiology even while
53:54
Speaker 3: you're acting on the outside.
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Speaker 1: I close today with this wonderful thought from you. You said,
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Speaker 1: caring done consciously is not just something we give, It's
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Speaker 1: something that shapes how we live. Thank you for that.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. My guest, doctor Tony Natter his
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Speaker 1: book The Power of Caring, Who Cares, Why it matters,
54:17
Speaker 1: and how conscious caring creates a fulfilling and connected life. Tony,
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Speaker 1: one more time, please share with our listeners with it
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me victorious wonder for
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Speaker 1: Tony, thank you so much for joining us today and
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Speaker 1: sharing this very very important message.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Victor. Amazing to be with you and to
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Tony, and thank you for joining us on
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus. I'm Victor the Voice Firman. Have a wonderful week.