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Bobby Marks on the NBA offseason, Still waiting for LeBron's free agency decision, Jazz a playoff team (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: You're tunedoo.
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  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdock Chevrolet Studio of ESPN
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  Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety two one f M.
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  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Here on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM,
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  Speaker 2: talking a little bit more NBA. Bobby mars NBA insider
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  Speaker 2: kind enough to join us here on a Thursday in
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  Speaker 2: the midsummer.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Marx, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, appreciate for you having me on.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say happy offseason. But is there such
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  Speaker 2: a thing that as an NBA off season?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Goodness, I guess if you're with a team. With
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  Speaker 3: some teams right now, I get probably in Utah, there's
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  Speaker 3: an off season right now, there's no there's not a
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  Speaker 3: I guess we're all on Lebron watch and writing other
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  Speaker 3: things and kawhi and yeah, I would say eighty percent
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  Speaker 3: of the league is probably has a shut it down
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  Speaker 3: for a bid, and there's probably a group that's still
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  Speaker 3: in that holding pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's start with the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 2: You made yourself very popular with Utah jazz fans a
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  Speaker 2: few months ago, as you're well aware and look, whether
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  Speaker 2: we agree on the methodology or whatever, the tanking ended
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  Speaker 2: up working out pretty well for the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: They get the number two overall pick.
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  Speaker 2: They turned that into Darren Peterson, and the early looks
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  Speaker 2: at that look like it's going to be something with
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  Speaker 2: potential at least to be special. I haven't had a
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  Speaker 2: chance to talk to you since the pick happened. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think of Darren Peterson and the fit with
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought going into the draft there
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  Speaker 3: was three number ones with AJ, Darren and Cam Cameron Bruce.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you could probably make the case for Kato
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  Speaker 3: Wilson also, who played extremely well and during during the
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  Speaker 3: summer here, I had. I had Darren, you know, for
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  Speaker 3: my own big board as as a top prospect, just
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  Speaker 3: because I thought I thought people looked at his year
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  Speaker 3: at Kansas in a little bit of a different way than
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  Speaker 3: I probably that I it's almost like when you're evaluating
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  Speaker 3: players that are overseas sometimes whether it be the system
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't fit. And I know there was the injuries
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  Speaker 3: that came up, but I thought, you know, I thought
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  Speaker 3: he was the best best talent wise upside wise, and
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  Speaker 3: I thought he showed enough his first year at Kansas
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  Speaker 3: to make him the number one pick. So Utah, Yeah, listen, Utah,
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  Speaker 3: I got a really good player. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: you saw it in Spurts during the during the summer league,
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  Speaker 3: and it's it's a guy that they can continue, they
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  Speaker 3: can build around. They've got some good players players already.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right, I mean, it did work out for them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it worked out probably two ways. You know.
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  Speaker 3: The one the pick that goes to Memphis is there
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  Speaker 3: could potentially be their own and there's no chance that
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  Speaker 3: will be in the top five because of these lottery
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  Speaker 3: reform rules and everything like that. So yeah, I liked.
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  Speaker 3: I liked going into the draft. I thought Utell was
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  Speaker 3: in a really good spot. I didn't understand people say, well,
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  Speaker 3: they should move up and they you know, I said, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: they're in a really good spot. They're going to get
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  Speaker 3: a really good player here. And I think you have
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  Speaker 3: to be happy with what you where. You saw it
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  Speaker 3: there during the summer.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the season at Kansas, and I was among
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  Speaker 2: those who kind of at least put up an eyebrow
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  Speaker 2: and questioned, like, okay, we're hearing an explanation of like
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  Speaker 2: creatine as maybe a problem for the cramping and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, man, it feels like a place
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  Speaker 2: like Kansas they would be able to get stuff dialed
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  Speaker 2: in a little quicker than they did. Did we ever
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  Speaker 2: truly get to the bottom. Do you feel of exactly
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  Speaker 2: how everything and why everything went down the way it
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  Speaker 2: did at Kansas?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I think, you know, certainly the cramping played
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  Speaker 3: a big, big role into it, and whether it be
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  Speaker 3: you know, certainly he went on the record with with
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  Speaker 3: Ramona Shelbourne and basically he gave it, you know, full detail,
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  Speaker 3: and that now you can dispute that or you mean, listen,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not in the medical world or I'm not in
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  Speaker 3: the sports science world and everything like that. So everybody's
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  Speaker 3: got an opinion on that. I think certainly the cramping
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  Speaker 3: did play a role. I think the availability played a role.
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  Speaker 3: It's certainly, like you know, sometimes when you have an injury,
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  Speaker 3: you're always kind of like looking over your shoulder waiting
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  Speaker 3: for something else to happen. Here, I thought when he
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  Speaker 3: was out there, you know, there was some really good
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  Speaker 3: moments and then there was some uneven moments. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's why I said like, I think, if you're
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  Speaker 3: evaluating him almost you had to go back to watching
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  Speaker 3: him in high school and things that he was able
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  Speaker 3: to do in a little bit of a different role
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  Speaker 3: and everything like that. So they didn't see we didn't
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  Speaker 3: see anything any issues during the summer, thankfully, and everything
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  Speaker 3: like that. And you know, we'll see how you know,
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  Speaker 3: he holds up over an eighty two game schedule.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about the player comp
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  Speaker 2: thing that we do to rookies all the time, but
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  Speaker 2: is there is there somebody that Darren Peterson reminds you of.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, I'm not a big comp guy. I
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  Speaker 3: just think listen, I think he's a you know, he's
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  Speaker 3: a three level score. I think what will probably pop
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  Speaker 3: on the radar a little bit more this year, especially
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  Speaker 3: when he's got you know, with the with Gyeron kind
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  Speaker 3: of in the you know, kind of you know, in
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  Speaker 3: the front court, there is his ability to defend. I
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  Speaker 3: think he could become an elite level defender here. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about comps or who he compares to
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  Speaker 3: or if it's you know, players from the past here,
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  Speaker 3: but I think his length gives him an advantage. We
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  Speaker 3: joked on set a couple of weeks ago after they
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  Speaker 3: played their first Summer League game in Vegas that we
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  Speaker 3: I didn't remember a team basically game planning for a
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  Speaker 3: players summer league wise, which which which happened in that
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  Speaker 3: his first game, basically trapping him when when he came
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  Speaker 3: over the court, off over a center court and everything
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  Speaker 3: like that. But but as I said, I think he's
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  Speaker 3: got a I think he's got I think he's he's
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  Speaker 3: got a really good feel for him. He's got a
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  Speaker 3: great pace. I mean, if we're if we're talking paste,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I think there's a little bit of James Harden
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  Speaker 3: in him, just based on how he can kind of
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  Speaker 3: get to his spots and it feels like sometimes it's
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  Speaker 3: it's effortless.
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  Speaker 2: Do you like him and Keante George in the back
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  Speaker 2: back court together?
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  Speaker 3: I do. I mean I think there's a I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a little bit of a wait and see too.
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of this, a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: are new, and the ability for both those guys to
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  Speaker 3: play together, which wasn't hasn't been the case, and we'll
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  Speaker 3: learn about it here. But I do listen, I think
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  Speaker 3: on from a talent level. I think you know, certainly
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  Speaker 3: what Kante was able to do last year and have
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  Speaker 3: a career year, And I think what and what Darren
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  Speaker 3: brings to the table. And then you add whether it
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  Speaker 3: be Ace or Cody or marketing or you know, Jaron
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  Speaker 3: and some of the some of the other pieces that
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  Speaker 3: you got and you still return and everything like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think the players on this roster compliment
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  Speaker 3: each other.
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  Speaker 2: Bobby Marx is our guest talking a little NBA hoop
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  Speaker 2: here on the Sean O'Connell show for a few more minutes. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: all of us, I shouldn't say all of us, many
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  Speaker 2: of us here in Salt Lake City had this vision
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  Speaker 2: that whoever the number two pick was going to be
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  Speaker 2: was going to be there with a massive front court. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: Triple J Lowry market and Walker Kessler. And obviously Walker
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  Speaker 2: Kessler is traded away. And you know, I far be
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  Speaker 2: it for me to question the ages on that decision,
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  Speaker 2: but sure, I ask you how much of a subtraction,
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  Speaker 2: how much of a loss is Walker Kessler in this team,
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  Speaker 2: in this roster, and you know the picks and the
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  Speaker 2: assets they got back, is it enough?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I think there was a price point
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  Speaker 3: as far as with Walker and based on how much
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  Speaker 3: you had committed already to Jaron and and Larry Ver.
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  Speaker 3: As far as what the number was, I thought, I
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  Speaker 3: thought originally what was offered was fair based on on
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  Speaker 3: the Center market and it you know, Utah didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to kind of meet that price point, which is certainly fair.
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  Speaker 3: Now you replace him, certainly with You've got Nurkic coming back,
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  Speaker 3: who you signed and had some good moments when he
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  Speaker 3: was with. You know, it was a small sample with
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  Speaker 3: with marketing and Jarron here, and you bring Jackson Hayes
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  Speaker 3: and it gives you a ton of flexibility. As far
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  Speaker 3: as you mentioned the picks and the swaps and everything
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  Speaker 3: that basically they kind of reloaded their draft assets that
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  Speaker 3: were lost in the Gyran trade. Basically you just swapped
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  Speaker 3: that out and everything like that. And yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think the end game is probably finding something permanent
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  Speaker 3: down the road, and maybe it is with one of
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  Speaker 3: those picks or maybe those multiple picks here. But I understand,
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  Speaker 3: I understand the philosophy as far as why they went.
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  Speaker 3: I think the intention was to resign him, and I
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  Speaker 3: think the one thing you didn't want to do is
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  Speaker 3: the players sign a qualifying offer, and I know would
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  Speaker 3: have been early in free agency and everything like that,
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  Speaker 3: and I think what the Lakers offered, I think was
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  Speaker 3: really too good to pass on.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most fascinating things about this Jazz team
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  Speaker 2: moving forward is, you know, after four or five years
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  Speaker 2: of tanking, Will Hardy and everyone on this roster are
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  Speaker 2: expected to flip a switch and to be able to
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  Speaker 2: flip a switch and just say, now we're going to compete.
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  Speaker 1: Now, we're going to know how to win.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're going to actually press through when we have
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  Speaker 2: these bumps and bruises instead of sitting out for twenty games.
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  Speaker 1: How difficult is that?
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  Speaker 3: In your mind, Bobby, that's the hardest part of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I and I equate it similar to kind of
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  Speaker 3: what the Wizards are going to go through. I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, everybody's talking about Washington and they're kind of
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  Speaker 3: similar positions. Both teams with AJ and Trey and and
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Davis and everything. And I and you go back
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  Speaker 3: for both teams, and the ability to learn how to win, right, like,
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  Speaker 3: that's the most important. It's the ability to put games together.
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  Speaker 3: It's the ability to deal with adversity. It's the ability
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  Speaker 3: to play meaningful games when we get to March in April,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, prior to getting you know, Jackson and
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  Speaker 3: you know, and Josh on the roster and certainly re
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  Speaker 3: signing Nirk. Like you really when you look at the roster,
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  Speaker 3: it was really Jaron and John Contrard as far as
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  Speaker 3: guys who play in the playoffs. So a lot of
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be a newness for them. For
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  Speaker 3: Kante or for Darren, or for h for a Sir
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  Speaker 3: Cody or you know, Bryce and Isaiah, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: former draft picks and everything. As far as going through
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  Speaker 3: this process, which until you go through it, there is
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  Speaker 3: the great unknown. I mean we could have said it
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  Speaker 3: with San Antonio a year ago or two years ago
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  Speaker 3: and with Victory and that group there, and they said, well,
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  Speaker 3: they really know how to win, and you know, they've
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  Speaker 3: kind of you know, they've taken some mumps and everything
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  Speaker 3: and then you kind of, you know, piece some games
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  Speaker 3: together and then you kind of get rolling. So I
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  Speaker 3: think getting off to a great a good star is
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  Speaker 3: going to be priority. I mean, that's going to be
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  Speaker 3: the biggest thing here. But as as you mentioned, like
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  Speaker 3: we probably don't know until they actually go through it.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: All of us were devastated to not see the Utah
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  Speaker 2: Jazz win the lottery and get Cooper Flag as a result,
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  Speaker 2: and then Ace Bailey ends up being I think a
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  Speaker 2: nice piece and a revelation for a lot of fans.
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  Speaker 2: And I count myself among that group that probably underestimated
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  Speaker 2: him and his enthusiasm for playing in Utah. Now he
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  Speaker 2: had into his second year, Is he ready, based on
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  Speaker 2: what you've seen, to be a true difference maker, to
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  Speaker 2: be a guy who can you know, if they ask
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  Speaker 2: him to, can be in every game starter and maybe
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  Speaker 2: carry some of the scoring load, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, because it was his limit.
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  Speaker 3: He was so limited in Summer League, only playing in
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  Speaker 3: a couple of games, and you know, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: thirteen minutes, you know, and it certainly was very uneven
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  Speaker 3: and everything like that. And I think there were I
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  Speaker 3: think there were a lot of good moments from Ace
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  Speaker 3: last year. I think the ability to play seventy two games,
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  Speaker 3: the ability to get better as the season gets along.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're asking him to, you know, take a leap, right,
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  Speaker 3: take a big step. As far as his development, I
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  Speaker 3: think the beauty of it is is that we don't
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  Speaker 3: have cameras inside of what these guys are doing right now,
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  Speaker 3: right so you we might get to late September and
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  Speaker 3: be like, Wow, he added fifteen pounds of muscle where
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  Speaker 3: he's really developed his He was able to stredge the
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  Speaker 3: floor and do a lot of things differently here. So
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  Speaker 3: I would say, I think what you saw last year,
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  Speaker 3: I think you have to like, I think there's still
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  Speaker 3: a great unknown as far as how much better he
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  Speaker 3: will get. And I think he will get better.
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  Speaker 1: I think the whole team is going to get better.
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  Speaker 2: And then I look around the West and I say, well,
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  Speaker 2: how much is it going to matter that you got better?
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  Speaker 2: Because San Antonio is probably still getting better, and Denver
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  Speaker 2: could be better and La I mean, everyone is trying
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  Speaker 2: to get better all at the same time. So as
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  Speaker 2: far as upward mobility for this Utah Jazz roster, I've
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  Speaker 2: said it at you know what, I think there at
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  Speaker 2: least a play in team would be really nice. Surprise
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  Speaker 2: if they were just a straight up playoff team. Is
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  Speaker 2: that too much? Am I expecting too much in a
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  Speaker 2: year like we already mentioned? Or you just got to
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  Speaker 2: flip a switch.
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  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be. I mean, I think you can make
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  Speaker 3: an argument in jazz stans will probably think I'm nuts
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  Speaker 3: when I say this. I said, like, you'd probably rather
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  Speaker 3: be in the West and the East. And I say
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  Speaker 3: that not because of where we're Oklahoma City and San
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  Speaker 3: Antonio is I think the Eastern Conference from a depth standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: is much better than the West.
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  Speaker 2: I really do.
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  Speaker 3: I think what teams were able to do, and so
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  Speaker 3: certainly if the Kauhi trade goes through, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what the Clippers have, and certainly Phoenix and the
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  Speaker 3: Lakers are all new, and Denver really didn't add any
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  Speaker 3: pieces to their roster, and Houston the same thing, and
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  Speaker 3: so there's there's there's that. So yeah, I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: they're not in contention for playing spot, I think it
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  Speaker 3: would be, you know, certainly a disappointing year as that.
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  Speaker 2: The entire NBA holds its breath waiting on the decision
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  Speaker 2: of a forty two year old.
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  Speaker 1: How many how many playoff.
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  Speaker 2: Wins does Lebron James add to a roster in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. I think I think that
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  Speaker 3: all the teams are different. I think, you know, certainly
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  Speaker 3: at least the three in the West. In the East
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  Speaker 3: with with I think Miami probably makes the biggest impact,
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  Speaker 3: certainly because of a team that you know couldn't get
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  Speaker 3: out of plane and yet Jannis and Lebron to that
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  Speaker 3: group with Bam and some other piece. This year, I
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  Speaker 3: think Cleveland gets to an Eastern com finals but get swept.
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  Speaker 3: So can you take another step with Lebron, I think
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  Speaker 3: he can. Philly is an interesting because you've got him
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  Speaker 3: and Jalen Brown to a group with Maxi Edgecombe and
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  Speaker 3: beat already and some other players you know, Wade, Dean
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  Speaker 3: Wade and Anthony Simon's here, So I think he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have to be the guy like he was in twenty
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  Speaker 3: ten or twenty eighteen. I think he's probably more of
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  Speaker 3: what we saw since March when Luca and Austin were
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  Speaker 3: out there. You can be your third best player on nights.
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  Speaker 3: He could be your best player here. But certainly I
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  Speaker 3: think whoever gets him and you know signs him and
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  Speaker 3: everything will probably catapult to probably one of the favorites
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  Speaker 3: in the East. I'm not ready to put them in
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  Speaker 3: ahead of where New York is just based on what
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  Speaker 3: New York was able to do in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: All right, last thing before I let you go, I'll
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  Speaker 2: finished with an unfair question and you can throw Lebron
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  Speaker 2: into this mix as we await his decision if you want.
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  Speaker 2: But all of the players on new teams heading into
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  Speaker 2: this year, all of the movement, who makes the biggest
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  Speaker 2: impact for that franchise?
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  Speaker 3: I think if the trade goes through, which I think
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  Speaker 3: it will eventually, I think Kawhi in Toronto. I just think,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a there's a big if to that. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: as you know, I think him being able to stay
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  Speaker 3: healthy will be of the big if in him getting
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  Speaker 3: through playoff series is it will be a big thing too.
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  Speaker 3: But I just I just look at what he was
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  Speaker 3: able to do last year and basically have a career
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  Speaker 3: year at his age and be available. I think it matters.
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  Speaker 3: And I think by swapping him out for I think
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Ingram, who you know, was kind of a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of an uneven playoffs yere, I think that probably
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  Speaker 3: takes them to a team contending to be the sixth
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  Speaker 3: seed or fifth seed in the Eastern Conference. So one
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  Speaker 3: of the teams we're talking about uptown.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Bobby, can't tell you how much I appreciate your time.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Thanks for your expertise as well. Let's chat again soon.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Bobby Mark.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: S it'd be a insider over at ESPN. You can