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What's going on, everybody. It's Jeff. I wanted to let you know
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that we recorded this podcast episode on Tuesday May twenty eighth, twenty twenty four.
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By the time you hear this, some things may have changed here or
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there, but we hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to Opposition Territory here
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at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast
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show in the world. That's right, eleven years strong. We've got a
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great discussion coming your way here on Opposition Territory this week. The NBA Finals.
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They're coming up quick, folks, They are coming up quick, and
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we're gonna be talking about one of the teams heading to the finals. Yes,
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the Boston Celtics, a team that a lot of us thought we're going
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to get to the finals. They are getting there. Last time they were
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there was twenty twenty two. You can they become the champions of the National
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Basketball Association. It's gonna be a great discussion with our guest. Let's get
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right to it. It's great talking to him about the Boston Celtics. And
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you can catch him on the Twitter slash x at jacksonmone NBA and he and
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his colleagues do a great, great job over at celticsblog dot com, Great
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sp Nation site, the one and only Jacksonone. Hey doing, Buddy,
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I'm great. I'm great, just all the way back from Indiana right now
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on the Starbucks and somewhere in Ohio. I honestly have no idea somewhere in
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Ohio. You're in Ohio. I feel bad for you. Yeah, to
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our Ohio friends. You know, any time I get to talk about hoops
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though, it's a good day. So absolutely having me, you appreciate you.
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You got it, buddy, And I gotta tell you must be certainly
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on a high as a Celtics fan somebody who is writing about this team and
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has been writing about this season, and I mean a sweep in the Eastern
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Conference Finals. They put the hurt on the Pacers and absolutely just they really
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beat them down. I think in four straight games. I think the Celtics
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did what they needed to do and should have actually done with this Pacers team.
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So I'm wondering, you know, as the Celtics team heads back to
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the NBA Finals like they did back in twenty twenty two, what what do
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you think the theme of this season has been for this Celtics team and why
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Jack I actually wrote about this this morning, so I'm class asking, do
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you really I actually didn't read it? Sorry yet. Actually no, that's
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okay. My whole thing was like the Celtics long road to the finals and
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the longer road they have ahead, and Jalen Brown talked about it after Game
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four. So everyone wants to say we're the same. Everyone wants to say
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this is the same team because Jason and I are here, but we have
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three different coaches in the past, you know, four seasons. Yeah,
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We've had a constantly rotating roster around Jason Jalen and like, no one season,
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even if you bring back the exact same roster, no one season is
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the same because of the growth and the experience you gain from that. So
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I think what has helped the Celtics this season, what's different about them this
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season mostly is the mentality that Joe Mizzoula has helped instill in them of Like
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they went sixty four and eighteen this railar season, but they didn't care,
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Like every win was just yeah cool onto the next, every loss was yeah
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cool on the next, Like they were so focused on taking care of business,
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putting the past, in the past and focusing on the present while simultaneously
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not like looking at the future, Like they lived in the moment so well,
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and even after in game three when they were down by X amount of
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points and they came back through holiday had a huge deal at the en Joe
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Mozuola said after the game, like, once we embraced that we were down
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eighteen to Indiana in the Eastern Commence Finals, it was fun and we just
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kind of were able to live in that moment and do what we had to
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do to get out of that. And so I think Joe Mozzuola's point of
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playing with a complete lack of expectations, like fans have the benefit of you
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know, this is a good team, they should winn this game. Like
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the Cetics can't do that, Like like this is a team fighting for their
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lives, Like this is whatever you think of this Pacers team, Tyres Holibert,
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Tyres Helibert, like this is this isn't like a JAD squad. These
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players, so they're gonna fight, They're gonna do everything they can to win.
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And so in order for this Celtics to take care of business the way
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that everyone knows they can, and the way they know they can. They
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can't afford to have that arrogance in that that, you know, expectation of
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winning. So I think the Celtics team has done a phenomenal job of living
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in the moment and just doing what they have to do, like you mentioned,
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every single game individually, and not looking back on games but learning from
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them, and not looking to the future, but understanding what's in front of
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them. Like it's this perfect balance that I give a ton of credit to
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Joe azulafor and a ton of credit for the players for buying into. And
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I think that's been the biggest difference this season. What a phrase, living
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in the moment, those four words right there. And I don't mean to
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make this about the Philadelphia seventy six ers team that we follow here and the
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team that we root for, but something that they just were not able to
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do throughout the course of this season when challenges arose for them, whether it
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was Joe El Embiid injuring his meniscus, a various bunch of other challenges that
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face the team. Now, look, the celt didn't necessarily face the type
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of challenges the Sixers did, but they did face challenges and folks out there,
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Sixers fans. Yes, the Celtics did face some challenges, maybe not
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to the extent of losing the most important player on the team for a duration
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of the season, but living in the moment. Those four words so extremely
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important when you're talking about postseason basketball. I mean that that's what it's all
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about. Jack absolutely and Jason Tatum asked him about it after the game,
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because Joe Mizula has talked about it all season like that, Like every time
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you ask them or Joe about you know, anything, like what's the key
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to this? One of the key to this, He's just like, you
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know, she's not caring after winning, like he said. I want to
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find the exact quote because it was so good I used in my article today.
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Earlier this season, Joe Mizula was asked about, you know, what
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is the relationship you can have with winning, and he said, if we're
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going to sit back and be happy after every win, that's an unhealthy relationship
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with success and it's going to come back to bite us in the world.
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I'm not going to say in the podcast, Yeah, the healthiest relationship to
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have with success is to understand that you can still get better and I think
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that's the space we have to live in. And the Tatum after Game four
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said playoffs are emotional roller coaster. Trying to find a balance in between the
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wins and losses, trying to stay even keeled throughout however long you're playing is
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important. The team that does that usually has a lot of success. And
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this is exactly what the Celtics had. And so for all the talent the
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Celtics have, in order to bring it to fruition, they have to have
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the right mindset and togetherness Like look at look at the Kyrie k d Nets,
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look at the you know Suns this year. Look at all these teams
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that had so much talent that just didn't come together. Yeah, because they
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didn't play with the right mentality. And I think that is what this year
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of Joe Mizula has brought to the Celtics team, and this year of growth
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and this group of guys, Like everything is just coming together so perfectly,
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and I know everyone's gonna get mad, like, oh, they faced in
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your teams here, injured teams there, and yes, absolutely one hundred percent.
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Like I'm not gonna sit here and say, oh, it's you know,
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of course, but you can only play the teams in front of you.
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Yes, and the Celtics have done a phenomenal job of playing the teams
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absolutely. I mean, just reflecting on the Eastern Conference Finals here, amazingly
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enough, the Pacers they didn't score it all within the last three minutes and
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thirty three seconds of the game. They had multiple turnovers just coughing it up
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step after step out on the court. I mean, they had some very
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sloppy, careless turnovers. How how do you think Game four of this Eastern
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Conference Finals is gonna be seen years down the road when we look back on
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this series when we say, okay, let's go back twenty twenty four Eastern
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Conference Finals Pacers versus Celtics. What do you think we're really gonna be thinking
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of when we when we talk about this particular game down the road. I
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think it's the same thing that you're gonna be talking about in terms of Game
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one and three. The Celtics all season, in all the past x amount
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of years, Like they can't win in the clutch. They're not a clutch
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team, like they'll just blow teams out, like when they get down to
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it, that's not gonna you know, it's not gonna matter. And I
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said this on my own podcasts, I don't care if it's the Pacers.
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They won three clutch games in this series, and they won them well,
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like they did a great job of living in the moment, like we said,
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and just doing what they had to do in that situation. Like you
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mentioned last night, Pacers don't score for the last three thirty. They didn't
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play well, of course they didn't, but it's a two way street.
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The Celtics had to play solid defense. The Celtics had to score buckets on
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the other end. They had to play that part. And all the matters
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in the end of the playoffs is the wins and losses, and that's what
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the Celtics have managed to do. Pacers fans are probably going home saying,
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oh, we should be up three one right now, But the Celtics grinded
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out those wins. And so I think when you look at Game four down
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the line, you're looking at this series as a whole. In the next
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few years, it's going to be you know, eventually people a gonna say,
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oh, it's the Pacers, no Halibert, and blah blah blah,
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But in reality, it was the Celtics team won three close games against a
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fast paced, great offensive team against the Pacers team that, for as bad
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defensive Celtics played for stretches, they weren't missing many shots for the most of
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that game. So for the Celtics to have closed down in the last three
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minutes of that game, I thought was wildly impressive. And I thought the
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ways the Celtics handled business in the last X amount of minutes of these games
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in these series was incredibly impressive considering the narratives around the team in term of
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absolutely absolutely completely impressive. And it pains me to say it as a Sixers
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fan, you know, it is very, very impressive, and I will
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go so far as to say, yes, you know, to those Pacers
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fans out there that would say, you know what, we should have been
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up in the series, you know what, No, you shouldn't have because
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of what happened. Happened, and they and the Celtics shoved it up your
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butt. I'm sorry, they shoved it right up your team's butt when it
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counted, when it mattered. And as we're moving along though with the conversation
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here, Jack, you know your colleague Rich Jensen over at Celtics blog dot
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com recently wrote an article about the fear of being the favorite, which I
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thought was a really interesting read. Quite frankly, I mean, there's a
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tremendous amount of pressure on this Celtics team because you know, they're they're they're
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expected to win and become world champions. That's been a lot of the narrative
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surrounding them within the Eastern Conference, and I think, you know, over
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the past few months, people saying, you know, in different circles,
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Yeah, it's gonna be the Celtics who are gonna take it. It's certainly
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going to be a different vibe than it was in twenty twenty two for the
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Celtics when they face the Warriors going back to the finals this year. How
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do you describe that vibe and what the expectations truly are for this Celtics team
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heading into the finals that are scheduled to start on June six. What are
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your thoughts here on this? Yeah, first off, shout out rich Rich
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is great. It's great work he does. Second off, I think the
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interesting part about that topic is that it's so different externally and internally. Like
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I wrote this in my piece a little bit this morning, was externally the
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Celtics are so good and so talented that it feels like the fan base can't
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really enjoy it. Like every win is just oh good, they want thank
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god. Yeahosh, it's like wiping the sweat off your face, like it's
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a relief. But every loss is like panic, like, oh my god,
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the world's falling because this team should win every game like yeah, like
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and that doesn't really breed joy, Like you can't really enjoy a season like
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that. That's why like the Knicks or the last year Heat or so fun
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because you didn't expect them to be there. That's why everyone loved the ASA
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Thomas Celtics, because someone expected them to be there, and so you like
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everyone is truly like, oh my god, they did it. This is
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incredible, Like you're you're on the edge of your seat with every win.
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That's just not the case with this team because they're so good and the only
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thing that will solve it is championship, which I totally get. That's what
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Boston is all about, like like there's no doubt, like that is the
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bar you have to reach it. But it just it stinks because the fans
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can't really enjoy it. You feel it a TV Garden. You feel it.
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You feel like just every four to zero run, every six to zer
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run, the other team goes on. It's like, oh my gosh,
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oh my god, the world's done anyone like that's two threes like like that.
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That's just it's so unfavor But internally they don't care, like they are
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fully committed to, you know, win or lose. We're gonna do whatever
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it takes, or we're gonna keep pushing forward. And they are thirteen and
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no not, they're twelve and two in the playoffs now, like they have
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been dominant. I don't care. Again, injuries absolutely play a part in
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that, but they beat the teams in front of them, and they've done
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it with a completely like steadfast or we're gonna keep doing exactly what we need
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to do mindset. And so I think that fear being the favorite thing is
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wholeheartedly completely relevant to the fan bases here and it's one of my least favorite
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things because I truly think you should enjoy everything going on at the moment,
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like I think Celtics fans are so quick to like not even not turn on
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the Celtics, but like TD Garden, Like, like I mentioned, every
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four roun in the crowd just goes silent. That sucks, like it stinks
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to see that. Yeah, yeah, the team to embrace the players in
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front of you. But I totally get it, and it's the product of
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they've they've been so good for so long and still haven't done it. And
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the only thing I'll solve it is the title. But I think the good
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part about all of it is that the team internally doesn't feel that. All
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they feel is we're to be steady, step fast, and I think that's
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a good thing. Well, let's talk about some of these individual pieces on
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this team, and specifically the starters as we are heading to the finals here.
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I was hoping we could talk about what the starters need to do and
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what not to do in the finals, you know, whether they're matched up
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against Timberwolves or the Mavericks, even though it's likely going to be I think
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it's going to be a Celtics MAVs Finals at this point. Who knows.
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Again, you know, the story for another time. But to talk about
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the Celtics starters here, I'd like to get into Jason Tatum here. What
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does he need to do and what does he not not need to do?
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During the finals. Here Jack Jason Tatum is the same as the Celtics because
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when he is good, there is no appreciation because it's expected, and when
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he is bad, it is, Wow. This guy sticks. That's frustrating
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to me. But he needs to focus on not taking bad shots. I
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think that is the biggest scripe, and I think it's a valid one,
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these little turnaround midi's and traffic, these little oh i've like we'll use Dallas
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as an example, or the Pacers, like if I have Andrew dam Hard
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or Kyrie on me, like sometimes we'll just settle for a step back when
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like, dude, your Tatum, you can just go to the basket.
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You get through that guy, right. But I think what goes underrated is
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Tatum's presence alone opens up so much for the Celtics team. Like Tatum will
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take two steps in towards the paint and he'll suck in three defenders and they'll
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get open three Like that is just because he's so good and so I think
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as long as he makes the simple play, continues doing that on offense,
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he'll be great defensively. He can guard one through five as long as he
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stays locked in there. Have been. There are a couple of brief moments
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in the Pacers series where he wasn't really good in defense Game two. I
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think it was mainly Bascal Siak. I'm just kind of got right fine a
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bunch of times. And then rebounding is the really under anything. Tatum has
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been the best rebounder on the team, especially with Porzingis out. Yeah,
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he was a huge rebounder in the last few minutes of that game for really
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clenching it for the Celtics. So I think dipping his hand in a little
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bit of every pot for this offense's key for Jason Tatum. And then if
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he can make the threes, that'd be really cool too. Exactly exactly that'd
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be great. What about Jalen Brown? What does he need to do and
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not do during the Finals From your assessment of seeing what he has been throughout
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this season, what are your thoughts here with Jalen Brown. I think it's
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very similar to Tatum because they're asked to do similar things. I think making
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the right play is always going to be the biggest thing for Jayalen just just
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driving and creating the same pressure of the defense that Tdatum does, but also
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making the right play in terms of passing it or going up at the right
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time or stuff like that. I think the biggest thing that people don't look
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at as much, which is unfair to Jalen, is he is one of
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the best defenders in the NBA. Yes, when he is locked in,
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and so he could very well end up with the Luca matchup for large portions
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of the series. He could very well end up with a Kyrie matchup for
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large portions of the series. And with his sides and quickness, if he
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is fully locked in and engaged, that might be like one of the most
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difficult matchups that they're going to play or face in this playoffs. And I
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think the Celtics matchup really well with the Wolves or Dallas in that regard.
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And so if Jalen's locked in on the defensive end, we'll also, you
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know, able to create the pressure that he creates on defense, on offense
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with his ball handling, with his scoring, with everything he does there,
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like that'll be the key. He said it last night, he says,
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I believe in one of the best two way players in the world, and
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when he is locked in, he absolutely can be And so like for the
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Seblics to win the finals. He's get up to lock in on defense,
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especially he's done a great job of that all season. All right, let's
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move to Derek White here. What does he need to do and not do
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in the finals, likely against the MAVs. I'll say, yeah, yeah,
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we're may or may not be booking flights to Dallas. But right,
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Derek White hasn't been great since the Miami series. His shot really hasn't been
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there. There's been a couple instances of lack I don't want to say lack
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luster defense, but he's small and Sosiaka which is getting on him in transition
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a lot, and so there are points of that. But he had five
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steals and three blocks in Game four. Like he's one of the best defenders
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in the world. He's probably one of the best matchups for Kyrie or to
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play help defense against the MAVs. Like this is the best backcourt defensively in
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the world in holiday in White, so that they've been amazing offensively, it's
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just about hitting the shots, like the open ones. He's struggled a little
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bit from that series. But if he can get hot again like he was
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in Miami, that'd be huge for the Celtics. But also in crunch time
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he runs show like like he has been that guy for the Celtics. He
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has been so crucial. Fans and media have been begging all season, let
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Derek White get more touches. Good things happened quite as the ball Tatum Tatum,
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Derek Quite, pick and roll, Tatum Jay or Jail and Derek White
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pick and roll, Like even Derek White setting the screen, like when he
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is in the action, he has such a good decision maker and playmaker and
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shock green and all these things, like especially considering Mavericks aren't going to put
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their best defender on him, Like having him in the action is so valuable.
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And so when he's running the show down the stretch, good things happen
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for the Celtics. And so if he can really lock in and embrace that
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and the Celtics can run through it, I think that's gonna be huge.
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Yeah, I would. I would very much agree with you on that.
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And let's move to Drew Holliday here. What does he need to do and
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not do in the finals. What are your thoughts here, Drew Holiday?
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Before that like final, you know, five minute stretching. Game four was
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my pick for ec F f P. He's been so incredibly good for this
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Celtics team. He needs to keep hitting his open shots, which is been
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a great job of. He needs to keep, you know, playing a
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little bully ball in the post that he's done a lot over the course of
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the Heason need a couple and ones in games three and four that were huge
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game clinching. In ones, he the little Jordan's shrugging Game four, he
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was pumped up. That was fun. Yeah. Defensively, like that steal
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against them hardy. He needs to keep staying locked in there just like he
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just needs to be Drew Holliday like like he needs to pick his spots and
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almost just like Celtics like let him do his thing. Like defensively, Joe
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Mizula has given Duolody so much freedom all season to play roam around defense,
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play free safety, to sort of do whatever he needs to do on that
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end of the floor, and he's done a great job at it. So
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if he can lock in on defense, he's one of the best premier defenders
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in the world, best defenders in the world. Players vote him that every
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single season. And then if he's hitting his open shots on offense, playmaking
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in the way that he has and getting to that post spot a bit more
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like he is. I think he is the biggest X factor for the Celtics
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team barring a Chris stops Perzingis return, which would be pretty cool. Well
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we're gonna get to that in a second. But with regard to your holiday,
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like, honestly like his his chemistry with this team is pretty is pretty
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remarkable, and I think it's an underrated storyline that doesn't get noticed a lot.
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You know, his chemistry is fantastic and it's it's something that I am
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very jealous of, very jealous of as a Sixers fan. But let's talk
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about christophs Persingis. Al Horford, dude, Al Horford just continuing to be
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a presence out there. But if kristaphs Perzingis is not available, who knows
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what's gonna happen again? In June sixth is when the first game of the
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Finals slated to start. I don't know what are you thinking here in terms
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of who's gonna be the big there. I the optimist to me thinks Christops
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will be back for Game one of the finals because of how big of a
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break they have they've been so quiet and closed off about it. We genuinely
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have no idea whether or not he's gonna come back. We don't know what
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the great sprain was he and we don't know if there are stepbacks. We
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don't know anything right about Christops Prichard said and Peton Pritchrid' said an interview yesterday.
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They're like, oh, yeah he'll be back, or like, yeah,
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I think he'll be back, So like there's some confidence there that may
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be leaked out, but we genuinely don't know. If I had to guess,
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I'd say he's probably back for Game one of the finals. Whether or
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not he's one hundred percent it's another thing. But all Al Horford needs to
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do is make his threes and hold up on defense. That's all he's ever
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had to do on this talented of the Celtics team. And he made a
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ton of threes in the Indie series to the point where they were trying to
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close it off yes in Game four, and then defensively he got cooked a
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little bit in that cav series by Irland and Donald Mitchell at times, and
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he's held up so well in this series against Pacers guards Celtics played his little
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drop defense, and so the Pacers have sort of killed him in the mid
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age of times. But down the stretch of these games, the game three
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in particularly, Al Horford in the paint was clogging it up, getting huge
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blocks and huge stops. So if he can hold up on defense against a
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backcourt that will undoubtedly attack him in Luca and Kyrie again, assuming it's Dallas.
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Yeah, and also hit his open threes like he's gonna be perfect for
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the Celtics team and that's all he has to do. So keep it simple
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for big Al. All right. Well, as we're closing things out here,
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Jack, as we watched the Eastern Conference Finals, the Celtics bench,
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they didn't actually step up as much as I thought they would in certain areas
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and in certain spots, especially in the first three games. I'm wondering,
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what kind of factor do you see elements of the bench playing given some weak
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spots that we did see during the Eastern Conference Finals. What are your thoughts
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here to close this out? Yeah, Man, Howser just hasn't been able
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to hit a shot. No, it's been so brutal. Yeah, but
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I think the best part about him and Pritchard and all those guys is they're
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gonna keep shooting. Like they've developed the confidence this whole season that if they
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are open, they are going to keep shooting the ball, especially him and
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Pritchard, and they'll start falling like like, I think they know it.
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I think the team believes in it. I think everybody should believe in it
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because they've been such great shooters all year. So Howzar, it's all about
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just staying solid on defense, which he was for most of the season,
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and hitting your open shots. And for Prichard, they've trusted Pritchard in a
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lot of big moments that Dantees Quarters just kind of say, okay, Pritchard,
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good to your thing, and he stepped up, made big plays,
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made big shots. And so if he can keep hit his open threes and
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hitting those big shots in the class, you know, miniature clutch moments throughout
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the series, I think that'll be huge for him too. So that's big
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time. And then Tilman and Luftwo like, yeah, the big guys just
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need to play their role absolutely, all right, folks. Jack Simone from
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celticflog dot Com at Jack Simone NBA on the Twitter slash x buddy, it
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was great, great talking to you. Thanks so much, Safe travels on
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your way home, and hope to talk to you down the road my friend
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